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Who was naughty and nice? It's pretty much the Toews addition:

The Dizzying Highs - Jonathan Toews

I would have to be awfully creative to put anyone else here, wouldn't I? Toews has simply put on the best display of hockey seen around here since...well, I'll let you debate that in the comments because I can't quite figure it out. Tony Amonte went on a scoring binge at the beginning of the 96-97 season, but his all-around game wasn't on the same planet as Toews's. It's been ages since I can remember a Hawks tied atop the goal scoring charts and among the point leaders this late in the season. Toews's big middle finger to the residents of the cesspool on the Mississippi last Saturday wasn't about as satisfying at it gets. And Blues fans increasingly sad claims that Toews was "soft" constituted a level of comedy writing that I simply will never approach. While it is slightly worrying that the Hawks have become so dependent on these other worldly performances, it's not a huge problem if he keeps it up. Inspiring is probably the best word to use here.

The Terrifying Lows - Corey Crawford

And there isn't really another candidate here, either. We're getting awfully close to having to declare this stretch something far more concerning than just a slump, but maybe a full blown rot. Crawford's confidence has eroded to Oklahoma Dust Bowl regions (see Ms. Stone, I read the fucking thing!), and his game isn't too far behind. He appears now to be caught in between the more aggressive tone he started the season with and going back to what worked last year, leading to terrible movement and angles and he's trying to construct both from different positions every time. The third Phoenix goal on Monday was awful. While he was screened, the puck didn't move across the zone all that quickly to Keith Yandle, and Corey Crawford was still later to the scene than Chief Wiggum. It was clear that Q wasn't pleased. Now the league is also taking dead aim on a dropping glove hand. Ray Emery is going to get a lot more starts, and whether Crawford can find his game merely in practice is something we're just going to have to find out.

The Creamy Middles - Niklas Hjalmarsson

You may find it strange that I put him here, as hard as I've been on him. Hammer has become a fascinating study when I finally did some research (who would have thought?) into his metrics. Hammer has the best Behind the Net rating among Hawks d-men, the toughest Quality of Competition, and his the best penalty killer among them. This is all according to the numbers, and while none of the numbers themselves are overly impressive, they still stand alone on the team. The eye test jives at times with this, but lately Hammer's been better the past few games, including a brilliant performance in St. Louis. While Hammer still has a lot of room to improve, those around him might have just as far to go, if not farther.

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Hjammer's development

is running just about on par with how D-men are expected to develop. While there was some suggestion last year that the potential we first saw might have been an illusion, it now appears that he is in fact on a predictable trajectory towards top—tier (if not, perhaps, elite) status.

As for Crawford, let’s hope that we don’t have to repeat the Great Goalie Debates, since I don’t think anyone believes Razor is regular starter material. And that would mean we’d be in a bit of a pickle. For now, I’m leaning towards attributing Crow’s issues to being left utterly dickless by his teammates so often that he’s gotten twitchy, and that he’ll bounce back if his mates start giving him a little more support.

An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)

by 334Rules on Dec 7, 2011 2:01 PM CST reply actions  

i wouldn't call Hammer's...

trajectory towards the top but I am glad he’s on our team, even if he doesn’t always play to his size. He’s a pretty handy top 4 pairing guy and those are good to have.

by aeroplane on Dec 7, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree re: the "dickless" part

yes there have been far too many breakdowns at times, but give me a break on this meme, eh? There are going to be days when you have to rely on your netminder to bail your team’s overall performance out, and Crow has not done that one time this season. I desperately want him to improve, but if this continues into January – look out.

by Waylon on Dec 7, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, didn't he have some pretty good games

at the start of the season? I thought he bailed them out early on but not lately. Maybe I’m wrong.

by Katherine215 on Dec 7, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not the stat guy here obviously

so I’ll leave that answer to the numbers guys – but I don’t remember any specific game where Crow stood on his head and the Hawks won the game.

by Waylon on Dec 7, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

game against the Avs in October?

31 out of 32 saved…..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Dec 7, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

go stand in the corner

and think about what you’ve done…

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Dec 7, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Hammer is showing a lot more Cup year form lately, instead of Cup Hangover year form

and is back on “young D headed to solid Top 4” trajectory. Young D are famous for inconsitent early years (part of why so many don’t even get to the NHL until they’re Hammer’s age)

I don’t see him as ever being “Elite” because I don’t see great offensive potential – at best I look to him maturing into a good to very good defensive stalwart who may or may not bring any significant offense to the table (think Brooks Orpik rather than Brent Seabrook).

Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Dec 7, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Hammer's got good things to come for him

I’m not bothered by his lack of offensive production, I doubt he’ll ever break 20 but as long as he continues to do what he’s supposed to do, which is defend (big shocker there, I know) I’m fine. I would however really like his physical game to step up.

by mad-hatter on Dec 7, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

So the stats tell me

And he really should have a couple goals, I know he’s been robbed by some redirects.

by mad-hatter on Dec 7, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

One thing about him

He has a BIG shot. There was one possession in one of the recent games where he made 3 tough shots from the point. Granted, none went in; but it was really great to see nonetheless — and proves that he can do it.

It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens

by hawkeytalk on Dec 7, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

True, and some of this is simply (bad) "luck" and a very small sample size

Does anyone think Leddy has a better shot than Hjammer? I certainly don’t. Yet Leddy has 2 goals this year at EV. Hjammer has none.

But would anyone have guessed that Leddy only has 13 SOG at even strength? Even OD has more shots than Leddy.

Hjammer on the other hand is 2nd among Hawks defenders in SOG at EV with 30. Yup, for a guy who supposedly hasn’t contributed to the offense, only Keith (40) has more. Hjammer’s points will come. Results, good or bad, in small samples often cloud perception.

Since Hjammer doesn’t get PP time like Keith, Seabs, Leddy and Monty, I think we tend to underrate his offensive contributions because he’s not shown in the same light as those guys who get to tee it up during the man advantage.

I’m glad the tide has turned on the “Hjammer sucks” meme. The kid really seems to give his all game in and game out. He may make a bad decision from time to time, but he’s been shutting down top tier forwards this year, and damn if he doesn’t take a beating game in and game out. 7 blocked shots in one game? OUCH!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 7, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Again this is something I hope to study further

but going through the play-by-plays, it seems blocked shots have an underappreciated/underrated contribution to the game. Out of the three types of shots directed at the net (on-goal, missed, blocked), blocked shots are most likely to turn into shots the other way. Maybe we’re missing a puck-carrying defenseman but simply blocking a lot of point shots might help some of that… and we all know that’s one of the things Hjammer does best.

by VerStig on Dec 7, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

jahns has some Crawdaddy quotes:
I’m still confident. I still think I can do the job. I’m not worried.

and

It seems like it’s just been up and down. Every second game seems to be a rough one for me.

at least it isn’t Bryz level…

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

is only game!

in that interview, when bryz says “hold on! here is minus thirty-two” it reminds me of strong-bad.

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I can’t get enough of that. That interview, and the Jokinen waffles … I feel like I’m about as sophisticated as a kid hearing a fart in gym class, but I laugh and laugh every time I see them.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Dec 7, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hrm. Player having an up and down season in his second full season in the NHL?

Who would have thunk it.

Good choice sir, that's lobster stuffed with tacos

by Banjo Legs on Dec 7, 2011 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

the amazing thing about Toews...

is how quiet he goes about dominating every single aspect of the game. This leads me to believe he still has room to grow and become one of the most dominating players for a long time.

And even though St. Louis fans don’t understand how he could be a captain (he’s a peepee pants), I’m more and more in awe with #19’s game every week that ticks off.

by aeroplane on Dec 7, 2011 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

No way!

Well anything can happen, but I see Toews as Hawk beyond this contract.

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on Dec 7, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Ditto

One thing he seems to be — loyal. He also loves it here and I can see him here for years.

It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens

by hawkeytalk on Dec 7, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless him + management start to squabble

I don’t see this happening.

There are some who call me........Tim?

Tremendously tremendous! Beautius J. Beautius!

Fuck Radim Vrbata.

by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Dec 7, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank god $ Bill is dead...

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.

by FrankStallone on Dec 7, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

HA!

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on Dec 7, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah ditto

we’re not ever going to lose him to anything other than injury, and that prospect is what keeps me awake some nights.

by Waylon on Dec 7, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

SHHH...Should of just left the first part
we’re not ever going to lose him to anything other than injury, and that prospect is what keeps me awake some nights

Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."

by Jrs23 on Dec 7, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Robots don't get injured, they just break down and you have to call in a repair man

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.

by FrankStallone on Dec 7, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

don't you dare speak those words!

I’m going to be greedy and hope we keep Kaner and Toews for their entire careers. Toews a smidgen more so, but parting with Kane won’t be much easier to let go of either.

If resigning the both of them isn’t priority number 1 in the 2015 season, Stan (or whoever’s GM at that point) needs to rethink his (or her!) life.

by mad-hatter on Dec 7, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm from Winnipeg and from Chicago so I get the final word...

The Captain stays…FOREVER!

No Swagger, No Dagger

by Saskjet on Dec 7, 2011 4:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

A Toews Statue?

I can’t wait to see what face will be used

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Dec 8, 2011 1:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe a hologram

so when you move, it changes!

It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens

by hawkeytalk on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

oooh

craw has a BHTV interview up on his game: here

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

I wonder how much Craw reads sports articles

But good on him for answering to the press, though I can’t think of many Hawks that refuse? Anyway, I thought he looked more angry than down in that interview, so I’m hoping this is indicative of a future upswing.

by mad-hatter on Dec 7, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

angry is good

Crow can get red – assed all he wants, just take it out on the other team.

by Waylon on Dec 7, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it just me...

or has hammer learned that shooting the puck is legal. Not that he shoots all that well but it seemed like intentionally missing the net for a bounce, just dumping the puck along the boards to start the cycle over, or passing it to his d partner was all he would do.

by lobster on Dec 7, 2011 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

haven't checked the numbers

But he looked more assertive to me in the most recent PHX game, at least.

by Brian C on Dec 7, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

here we go

Hammer, 12/5:

3 SOG
1 missed shot
2 blocked shots

That certainly doesn’t seem like the gun-shy Hammer we all know. Turns out it was the 4th game this season that he’s had 3 SOG. He only had 4 all of 2010-2011. So you might be on to something.

by Brian C on Dec 7, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

How much time does Hammer get on the PP?

Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?

by Preacher000 on Dec 7, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

And Leddy gets some, right?

Probably explains the measly 3 points Hammer has and the 16 that the kid has.

Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?

by Preacher000 on Dec 7, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Leddy is also

a bigger offensive threat. I mean, he just is. More than once he’s had a nice rush up ice that led to a goal at ES.

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

to back up this point

Points per 60 minutes, at even strength:
Leddy: 1.33
Hammer: 0.38

by Brian C on Dec 7, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

considering his age

Leddy’s going to be a very good one – lot of kids would’ve wilted under that trial by fire last year. One of the best trades by the Hawks over the past few years.

by Waylon on Dec 7, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Leddy

A little over 2 minutes per game on the PP, where he’s averaging about 4 points per 60 minutes.

by Brian C on Dec 7, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to rec this

just because I love it when people whip out revealing stats like this

by VerStig on Dec 7, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks!

First time I’ve ever been praised for whipping something out! I really feel my life improving from here.

by Brian C on Dec 7, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

he trails monty, seabs, and keith in SOG

just like everything else, he contributes very stealthily.

keith: 63
seabs/monty 36
hammer: 33
leddy: 25

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

he's not making the 100 yard clearing attempts this year

that unfortunate tendency really drove me nuts last year, he’s making a lot of better decisions with the puck in his own zone these days, including not acting like it’s a grenade.

by Waylon on Dec 7, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

What would y'all like Hammer to do?

He was a bit of a revelation his first year—nobody knew him or expected much. He played solid which seemed to surprise everyone. Last year he had a case of the yips and seemed less-than-confident with the puck, especially as teams learned that a strong forecheck seems to hurt the Hawks the most. This year, I’m not seeing yips, he’s leading the D in +/-, he leads the team in blocked shots—not sure what more you want. He’s only got 3 points, but that’s not really his job. At over 20 minutes a game, he seems to be doing his job well. So…what’s wrong with him again?

Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?

by Preacher000 on Dec 7, 2011 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

What's wrong with him? Nothing.

In fact, he’s pretty much been the shutdown D we all wanted him to be:

Hawks goals against, per 60 min at even strength:
With Hammer on the ice: 1.77
With no Hammer on the ice: 3.24

This while he has the highest QUALCOMP on the team among defensemen! Meanwhile-

Hawks goals against, per 60 min while shorthanded (4 on 5):
With Hammer on the ice: 6.42
With no Hammer on the ice: 10.84

by Brian C on Dec 7, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

Those numbers are pretty impressive.

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Dec 7, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is why I'm asking the question.

Other than a bad shift now and then, the guy’s been solid way more than he hasn’t. I’m not sure why he seems to get a lot of crap from people here, or why there’s always a move on to trade him whenever that topic comes up. And why Sam has him as “Creamy Middle.” He looks way more solid than creamy, and way more top of the team than middle.

Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?

by Preacher000 on Dec 7, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I think most us here like Jammer

the bashing that’s been going on is a far lower level than last year.

by Waylon on Dec 7, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno, I see a lot of sources

which rag on the quality of the hawk D-corps. For the money we are paying the 2nd pairing (in my mind, 4-8) i think we get a ton of quality. Even not in the context of value-per-dollar, i think our 3/4 is really quite good.

I still think 2-4-7-8 is one of the best top 4 in the league. We’ve been a horror show at times defensively, and even more often in net, but i still think they’re one of the best.

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

They have been inconsistent at times.

Right now it is tough to tell though because our goalies aren’t bailing them out nearly as much as they should. Detroit’s defense looks a heck of a lot better when howard is playing like he has been.

by lobster on Dec 7, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree on this whole thread

I think it’s a lot of leftover thoughts from last year, and a lot of confirmation bias.

by mad-hatter on Dec 7, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That and

Just like how people like to stand up for Crawford (I don’t blame them — it is subjective), people don’t like blaming Duncan Norris Keith. And the fact that bad D play is always the D’s fault.

by VerStig on Dec 7, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem isn't overall quality of our D-men,

it’s the fact that when they make a mistake, it’s a fucking huge, gaping, embarrassingly bad one that nearly always results in a goal.

Their turnovers, while perhaps few, always seem to happen right out in front of their own goal. And their decisions to take play the pass/off-man on a two-on-one (see, eg, OD’s brain-fart after Monty’s banana-peel act the other night) happen with much to great a frequency.

An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)

by 334Rules on Dec 8, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

mistakes

yes, lots of them and while some are embarrassingly bad, as you claim, the system the Hawks play doesn’t help. Our D likes to pinch too often, which allows other teams to very easily develop odd man rushes. The amount of energy wasted in pinching, getting back to defend and sometimes rushing back when opposing teams break out in transition in tandem doesn’t help when you realize how many minutes our top guys play.

Anyone else notice a diminishing Leddy of late? Kid looks less effective on both ends of the ice. It also seems as Keith’s minutes rise, he’s gone from making one big mistake per game to a few (on the flip, he is scoring a lot more often of late).

The coaching staff will eventually need to sacrifice some offense for defense. That’ll mean playing tighter defense at the onset of games (less pinching, more participation from the offense in playing a clean two-way game). There’s no reason this team should be down after the first goal of a game in 18 of 28 games.

by aeroplane on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Nothing? I Wouldn't Go That Far

He leads the team in giveaways. His tendency to send blind rings to no one in particular hasn’t gone anywhere.

EDIT: Actually, he’s tied with Keith, who I thought was next to replace Hjammer in the stocks.

Hjammer’s numbers are fine, especially on a team that has struggled defensively.

Critcism of his play has been overstated but not completely unwarranted.

Calls to trade Hjammer should be in reference to his significant return value, not because he “sucks.”

The legs feed the wolf.

by Second City Southpaw on Dec 7, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Calls to trade Hammer

should be answered with a sarcastic “Oh really?” Preferably in a voice approximating that of the Robot Devil in “Futurama”.

His tendency to send blind rings to no one in particular hasn’t gone anywhere.

Actually, I’ve been wondering about this, because it seems like this is something that is often done not just by Hammer, and not just by Hawks’ d-men (they’re all guilty of it from time to time), but d-men around the league in general. Are players coached to do this? Are the turnovers more a matter of forwards being out of position? Is the problem exacerbated by inefficient line changes? Or is it just something that d-men do because it seems like a good idea at the time when someone’s bearing down on them?

by Brian C on Dec 8, 2011 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Love the Robot Devil Reference

Rings and reverse rings are not unusual; in fact, they are a good strategy to beat a very aggressive forecheck. Nothing moves faster than the puck.

But they should never, ever, ever be done blindly. This is how I was coached, anyway. But then again, I never played in the NHL.

You can sometimes hear players yell “ring!” or “left!” or “behind!” or “you’ve got help!” to be the d-man’s eyes as he looks down the split second it takes to recover the puck behind the net, but a d-man is wise not to trust his ears too often because the other team picks up on the chatter.

Chances are, if you see a d-man under pressure ring the puck blindly into the direction of the forecheck or to the side of the ice where only enemy sweaters are pouncing, it is a giveaway of the filled-shorts variety, which almost always results in a great scoring chance.This sort of turnover happened twice to Hjammer on that tough night when he went -3 against Phoenix.

To be fair, it is a fast game and you are right when you say Hjammer isn’t the only victim of this type of play.

Poor puck support can play a role. I remember last year when the Hawks struggled with the breakout. It was largely because the forwards were cheating into the neutral zone, leaving the d-men to force long passes out of the defensive zone that led to turnovers. It’s not exactly comparing apples to apples, but I wonder if this might be something you had in mind.

The legs feed the wolf.

by Second City Southpaw on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Stats from NHL.com

hes on pace to have a career year in:
+/-: +1
shots: pace for +32
hits: pace for +9
blocks: pace for +47
giveaways: -6
TOI/g: +2:10
and PIM: -34

his points aren’t going to be high, and who cares?

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

guess i should make clear

those are differentials from last year to this year. so i lied when i said it was ‘career’ year.

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Compared to 09-10

diff from 09-10 to this season

Pts: -9
PIM: -15
plus/minus: +5
Shots: +34
Hits: -4
Blocks: +76
Giveaways: +13
Takeaways: -9
TOI/g: +0:59

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe

its the gva/tka numbers that have people hating on him. The difference in those two categories is pretty stark when compared to the cup year.

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Other than points and giveaways

it still seems to be encouraging. Again, I’d rather see an upswing in hits, but not if that comes at the cost of increasing his PIM.

by mad-hatter on Dec 7, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

My point exactly

Crow could be playing better and more consistently, but so could the people in front of him.

I plan to live forever, or die trying.

by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 7, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't have to read Silas Marner

to know its about the Dust Bowls in 1930’s Oklahoma.

Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.

by hairhelmet on Dec 7, 2011 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

You don't have to read Silas Marner

to know its about the Dust Bowls in 1930’s Oklahoma.

Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.

by hairhelmet on Dec 7, 2011 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

Dec 7...a day that will live in infamy

because I double-posted. Pretty sure that’s the only reason…

Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.

by hairhelmet on Dec 7, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I am confuse.

I had to study Silas Marner at school… damn that George Eliot dude is dull!

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Dec 7, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

How about Chris Elliot

and his Silas Marner project?

Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.

by hairhelmet on Dec 7, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

He sure is...

but oddly in touch with his feminine side.

Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.

by hairhelmet on Dec 7, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish that

Evelyn Waugh chick was..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Dec 7, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

oh ah

glad I didn’t bite on your George Eliot comment.

We like our people!

by cliffkoroll on Dec 7, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

come on Cliff..

you know better than that… Trolololol,,,

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Dec 7, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Crawford is, rightfully, being skewered by the hockey world

We’ll see how Crawford reacts. I don’t think his suckage is overrated, or can be overstated. He needs to get a lot better, period. Can he respond to the pressure and the call for significantly better and MORE CONSISTENT play ?!?! We shall see. Otherwise I am precariously close to stating “Ray Emery, your table is ready.”

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Dec 7, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions  

Nobody disputes that

I live in the near term, as in competing for the 2012 Stanley Cup.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Dec 7, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess I'm just a big "nobody"

You’d think some people would learn from past experience to not make such definitive statements.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 7, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's either crow or bust.

I just can’t imagine stan using his cap space and young assets for a goalie at this point in time.

by lobster on Dec 7, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but...

…what if he and the rest of the brain trust start to really believe that a solid goalie might be the only thing standing between the Hawks and a long playoff run? Hard to imagine them thinking they have no choice but to play the hand they dealt themselves.

A few weeks ago I would have agreed with you but now I’m not so sure.

by bluekoolaide on Dec 7, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

this is a better conversation to have when placed in the context of available goaltenders.

When the pool of individuals who could satisfy the team’s need is <5… you run out of leverage in trades real, real fast. Especially when other teams know that they’re going to need good goaltending to win.

by oregon_hawk on Dec 7, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they believe crawford will be that solid goalie come playoff time.

They trusted niemi in 2010 and they will trust crawford in 2012. At least I think they will.

by lobster on Dec 7, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't know

i can imagine quite a bit

We like our people!

by cliffkoroll on Dec 7, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

why you

stuck up, half witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder….

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Dec 7, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

very timely!

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Dec 8, 2011 5:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I thik Crow will bust out of it

Maybe not the numbers of last year (though would be nice) but regain form and be good enough for the offense and defense help pick up the rest. I justify this, because I really do not want to see him turn into the next Mason.

Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Recovering rec whore, and SCH's resident troll and lemming.
This seems to be fixed, Hawks PP = 18.62% but PK is now broken at 75.00%

by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 7, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

He is not steve mason.

Mason doesn’t work hard (at least based on what I hear) crawford does.

I have hope he will bounce back as well. Again I compare him to jimmy howard more so than steve mason.

by lobster on Dec 7, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, sometimes hard work isn't enough but...

…that being said, I sincerely hope you’re handing out “I told you so’s” in a month or two.

by bluekoolaide on Dec 7, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Hjalmarsson is good, period

Criticism of his game is largely unfounded. Yes he is prone to a lousy game once in awhile. But then again so is Keith.

The Hammer does a remarkable amount of the cleanup work caused by puck turnover and the refusal of fowards to do the requisite board work. And I’ll take Hammer shooting the puck over Seabrook 100 times out of 100.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Dec 7, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

What?

I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem

by HjammerTime on Dec 7, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

now wait a minute

agreed with your points above except for the last part. Seabs has a cannon of a shot on those rare occasions he chooses to use it.

by Waylon on Dec 7, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I found it a relief..

I was starting to agree with him..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Dec 7, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

fixed

“I’d rather have Boynton shoot ing than Toews”

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Dec 7, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

If anyone is packing heat

it’s Bolland

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Dec 7, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Bolland does not use guns

He’d prefer to get up close and personal and draw out a slow, painful death

by mad-hatter on Dec 7, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Bolland the Death Eater

It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens

by hawkeytalk on Dec 7, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That'll happen now and then

since he changes his unyielding opinion on a weekly basis.

Last week Hjammer was among the “organizational fodder or underachievers.”

by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 7, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I seriously want some of what you're smoking

I had a crap day

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Dec 7, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Crow will be back, and soon.

He reminds me of a contact hitter that launched a couple of flukey home runs, and now he’s just swinging for the fence every at bat… and striking out.

He’ll figure it out, and I predict sooner than later.

I plan to live forever, or die trying.

by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 7, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions  

As a Sox fan who just had to deal with Dunn this past summer

This:

He reminds me of a contact hitter that launched a couple of flukey home runs, and now he’s just swinging for the fence every at bat… and striking out.

is not encouraging

by mad-hatter on Dec 7, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

That doesn’t seem like the kind of hitter who usually “figures it out”. It sounds like Jeff Francouer or Corey Patterson.

by Brian C on Dec 7, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

What's with the opening of old wounds today?

First the ‘91-’92 finals. Now, Corey Patterson?
I really, really thought he was going to be a special player.

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

But oddly enough, the Patterson wound was never that deep for me. Didn’t realize it was such a sore spot.

by Brian C on Dec 7, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still rooting for Crow to get his shit together

But anything compared to Dunn is disheartening. Also, Buerhle was traded? Sad news.

by mad-hatter on Dec 7, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally OT, but apparently Nucks fans aren't the most delusional

the following was the post game wrap on SLGT following their 1 goal victory over SCUM:

I didn’t say anything to a single WIngs fan on the way out of the building. I guess I just don’t see them as legitimate competition anymore.
It’s sad, seeing the end of the rivalry. But take heart, Wings fans. After the Blues fight it out with the Hawks for Central Division supremacy this year, the Wings will still have their rivalries with Columbus and Nashville to keep you motivated to not fill those empty seats in Joe Louis Arena during a long, cold winter.

just…wow

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Dec 7, 2011 10:32 PM CST reply actions  

Finding delusional posts on SLGT

is like finding a pledge drive on channel 11…. what, again?

by Gate3anuhHalf on Dec 8, 2011 12:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

zero to cocky

reminds me of Detroit Lions fans this year. It’s…cute.

We like our people!

by cliffkoroll on Dec 8, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that is revisionist history

I don’t recall the Wings being in legitimate competition with the Blues to miss the playoffs.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Dec 8, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t it be convenient if we could beat Detroit by a combined 2 goals in 2 games and declare the rivalry dead?

by aeroplane on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

WOW!
and Corey Crawford was still later to the scene than Chief Wiggum.

A Matt Walker reference! Crow should feel shame for this if nothing else.

There is a problem with outliving your enemies, it usually means that you have outlived your friends as well...
Honnor thy father - D. Vader (Robert Asprin, Myth series)

by burpchelischili on Dec 8, 2011 4:05 AM CST reply actions  

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