Didn't We Deserve A Look At You The Way You Really Are: Blackhawks 3 - Islanders 2
Well this game was somewhat familiar, wasn't it? After seeming to cruise for most of the first and second periods on their way to taking a 2-0 lead, the Blackhawks found a way to let the Islanders back into the game to force overtime only to pull it out in the end (something that Sharp doesn't do anymore evidently, HEYO!) so that we can all go home happy.
While the game was pretty even and had a good back and forth going in the first, it wasn't until a mad scramble in front of the net that had Al Montoya employ the classic "just play dead and hope the puck ends up under your pads" routine that the Hawks were able to pull ahead. It wasn't on the scramble but rather off the faceoff. Hossa goes behind the net and seemed to try to pass the puck to Toews but instead the puck bounces off Montoya and Hoss gets #400. Not exactly Jeter hitting a home run for 3,000... but it'll due in a pinch. There's always time for something special when #500 comes.
Early in the second, Hossa enters the ice and finds one Patrick Sharp who once again was able to find soft patches of ice at the top of the circle. Very poor coverage by Jurcina and the rest of the Islanders as Sharp had all the time in the world. Not that he's use it though - he unleashed a bomb of a slapper that I doubt Montoya even saw.
Tides would turn though as the Islanders didn't panic and stuck to a solid if unremarkable game. They were rewarded when P.A. Parenteau found Travis Hamonic entering the zone with plenty of room to fire a slapper. I don't think I heard Pat or Eddie mention it but I thought the puck seemed to bounce off Hammer and take a turn to the left to beat Emery. My computer sucks for watching replays though so I can't see if that's the case... what say you?
In the third the Michael Grabner had his chance to unleash a slapshot that Emery never saw (even long after it was in the net) and the game would go to overtime. Not before other shenannigans.. but we'll get to that later. In the end though, it was dat Horsa guy again who horsed Steve Staios and took a hard low shot that bounced right off Montoya's pads to a charging Shooter... game.
Lets get to the bullets:
- Due to the smaller bench and entrances to the locker rooms, Corey Crawford had a damn near perfect spot to watch Ray Emery chip away at Crow's once rock solid position as starter. I'm in no way calling for a goalie controversy again but if Razor can keep this up we won't worry too much about Crawford taking some time to find his game.
Ray was by no means perfect and got a lot of help.. particularly on the approximately 15 times he slid 10 or more feet away from the crease.. but he still had a close to stellar game and made many key saves, mostly in the first, that kept the Hawks in it. - One of the things that helped Emery most may have been the play of the top 4 defensemen in front of him. Keith and Seabrook were once again solid but it Hjalmarsson that caught my eye most. There were moments of panic in his game but they were few and far between. Instead, I saw him play a more physical game (huge hit on teammate-for-a-day Marty Reasoner) and even a few moments of patience behind the net despite a forechecker on his back. More of this Hammer.
- There's few things more annoying than a guy who just yells "shooot" at games. The only thing might be a guy yelling "hit someone!". Still, the Hawks do seem just a tad bit too pass happy at the moment. Sure, if those passes get through the 3 defenders between the two Hawks.. boom. But they aren't getting through, are they? The OT goal was a prime example.. a hard low shot.. a rebound and what do you know? A goal.
- I think Pat Foley and Eddie-O only just now realized that Toews is also really really good at faceoffs. I think they mentioned it every time he won a draw, which was only half the time tonight. Only 50% and not a single point... pshh, who said you deserve a night off? Dick
- Michael Frolik had another solid game tonight. His play is stepping up lately and he's thriving with Bolland. His stick check that broke up a solid chance for Tavares late in the game isn't a moment that most of us will remember for the rest of the season but it very well could have saved the game.
- You knew I would come to it eventually right? With the game tied and only about 3:30 in the game, Daniel Carcillo decided to get a little slap happy. It was only a shift prior that he had been hit hard in the corner and shoved to ice, causing me to say this. So when there was a scramble in front of the net and he came charging in, you knew there would be trouble. Sure enough, Carbomb lands a jab on someone (Okposo?) and gets 2 minutes. Absolutely unaccpetable. It was clear that the Isles were trying to entice him and he had no trouble taking the bait. Carcillo has had plenty of good moments but these poor decision ones are quickly adding up.
- But hey! It's ok! Our PK is evidently good again, killing all 6 opportunities. Including the dreaded near 2 minute 5-on-3. It was a phantom bad luck call on Kaner and an obvious high stick from Bolland but the Hawks had the advantage of it being broken up by an intermission.
Player Of The Game:
There were a few options here - Shooter had those two goals and a helper. Emery was solid but it was the Hoss that ended up the big winner with 400 goals and a very pretty steal and helper for the winner. He's Marian Hos...you know it by now..
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i thought he was checking to see if those toes were really…..
If graffiti changed anything it would be illegal
Carcillo can fuck right off.
Seriously. Short of buying people a break from pundits demanding more ‘toughness’ in lineup, I haven’t seen him provide anything of merit.
If Leddy and Hammer continue to improve and build chemistry, then I think a REAL top 6 winger is definitely on the shopping list for the trade deadline.
Other than that, no complaints really.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, ...need I go on?
bah! rabble rabble rabble...
Do you have anything constructive to say ever? Carcillo has been more good than bad, and for under a million for a guy that can add some sandpaper to the bottom 6 and slide up to skate with the top six, there is no way he’ll get shopped.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If by 'sandpaper'
You mean ‘stupid penalties’
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, ...need I go on?
Seriously
I think you can count on one hand the number of truly bad penalties he’s taken this year. I am no Carcillo apologist, but I had him tagged for more than that. Can’t we just move on?
It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens
First time he's disappointed me.
Let him get lectured by the mustache and see if he comes around.
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 9, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Only the timing was bad.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 9, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
The penalty itself was something that doesn’t get called if it’s Marian Hossa or even Viktor Stalberg. Carcillo was getting double teamed and gave a guy a little jab in the face.
2 for being Carcillo.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
I thought it was bad only because it was Carcillo, and there’s never been a time in his life when Carcillo would not have been called for that, and because of that he should have known better. If the socre was 4-2, I’ll give him a pass. But I thought it was really bad, actually … because he knows those calls will always go agasint him, no matter how “violent”.
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he hasnt had many of those
and, i dont know if you can recall, he has been a factor in several goals. and was great in the blues game.
He is going to make mistakes and lose his cool, we all know this and its part of the package, as long as he keeps his positive additions coming its okay.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
"we all know this and its part of the package"
……..he has been better then expected. When Q does the “Vic4Dan” swap on the top line it seems to re-energize the top line. Both players bring energy —different types.
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by ccm on Dec 9, 2011 6:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yeeeeeeeeeeep!
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Dec 9, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
I hated Carcillo
and by hate I mean hate. I was among the most vocal when the signing was made that I thought it was an aboslutely asinine move by Bowman.
But there’s no question that, on balance, he has been more good than bad. Last night’s late penalty was his first truly brainless penalty (I’m willing to admit that I may have missed one or two others).
You seem to enjoy blanket statements, though … maybe to you they make your arguments sound stronger, I odn’t know.
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he's been good for a $750k guy
but I really do not like the guy.
I look at Carcillo, and there’s no questioning his eagerness on the ice. He makes mistakes, but he’s not the Carcillo that played in Philly, not that I can see. Biases aside, I think we’re a less hostile group than Philly, and maybe that’s what made Carcillo a bad fit there.
But to compare him with Bickell, say—and I realize they’re very differnt players—but a player with Bickell’s size and offensive ceiling … there’s no reason in the world he shouldn’t “look” like Carcillo on every shift, skating balls out and hitting everything in sight without getting out of position. Any points after that are gravy.
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Carcillo has been a pleasant surprise
Initially, I couldn’t stand the thought of him on this roster, but I have come around. He plays with what I would call unrestrained enthusiasm and his fellow players appear to like him. Playing for a disciplinarian like Q, I think, has helped keep his boneheadedness to a minimum. He has added some grit, speed, and surprising skill to this roster. If he can offset some of the stupid shit he’s known for with solid contributions to the top lines (like he has done thus far), then I can certainly overlook some of his foolishness. That being said, I was a little irked by the timing of his penalty. He needs to do a little better job of keeping his emotions in check.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Dec 9, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
And right now he's back on the 4th with a few chip ins on top lines
He has been better than expected and hasn’t taken as many dumb ass calls. The one thing now I’m looknig for is some contributions from the bottom 2 lines. While the Bolland line has been playing better, I hope the bottom 6 can find the back of the net so that way we dont always count on the top if they go through a slump
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
I agree, kind of. There aren’t many teams whose bottom two lines contribute both consistently and significantly. Minnesota has it, clearly, and Philly a little less so, and Boston. none others that I can think of. I’d be ecstatic if Bolland and Co. just held their own and played even, and if we could rely on the fourth line for 9 or 10 minutes a night (which is a bit of a pipedream, I realize).
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Agreed on all accounts. Put it this way, too … can you imagine Eager getting extended time on our top two lines?
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Only if you could get the paste away from him long enough
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by IndianHeadCrest on Dec 9, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
haha Eager on a top line
Shoot me now, while I agree on the bottom 2 lines to an extent. I’m not expecting them to score night in and out. They are there for a reason with the Bolland line playing well, they control the puck and stop the other teams top lines. While I still think that line can net at least 20 goals a season. The 4th you can’t expect that much from guys only playing 7-10 minutes a game. For that line to score is a bonus, but I would like at least that Bolland line to chip in a little more on the offense side but by no means would I want that if it takes away from what they are doing to prevent the other teams top lines.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
But I dont think that last very long like any of his time on the top line
Mind blank there, I remember him up there but never long. At least Carcillo has been 2 periods for about 8 games there. While I can’t confirm how much Eags spent on top
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
It is true Eager never got the primetime minutes with those guys that Carcillo is.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
I'm not sure it's so much keeping his emotions in check
as it is picking his spots to use those emotions better.
After all, Carcillo is a player that is most effective playing off of and thru emotion.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I'll wager
that he won’t get too many more of those w/ 3 mins. in a tied game. I’ll bet he learned a lesson. And they’ll be someone reminding him every time he jumps over the boards in that situation.
His talent is a very pleasant surprise.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
If were now thinking Top 6 winger, then Kruger must be shaping up as "The Plan"(c) after all
who would have thought that in September when a 2C was all the rage on our Christmas lists?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I was glad to
see they stuck with it and got the win. Decent performance by
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I thought the third line showed some hope.
put them together and let them play.They play well we can get a top 6 guy.
They do seem to be
getting back a little of that tenacity they showed in Van. Smith has replaced Bick pretty easily. If the D keeps improving and Crow can figure things out or Razer continues to play well, a top 6 power forward would be a nightmare for other teams to deal with.
I keep hearing rumblings about SB being interested in Gagner which would be nice but doesn’t make much sense to me right now. They need a big body to go to the net.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Smith
He may not be the biggest guy, but at least he finishes his checks and been pretty decent d-side
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
I don't see Smith as a top 6 guy
admittedly, I was a little smitten with his playoff performance last spring, but in the end I think he’s a much better fit for a bottom 6 role than a top 6. I think he’s doing really well with Bolland and Frolik right now, and that’s really where he should stay. If the ’Hawks can find one more top 6 forward, preferably a power forward type guy, on the trade market that would be awesome
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by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
Smith as a 3rd liner (with a Bolland & a Frolik) is what he was always projected for, isn't it?
based upon his NCAA seasons and such…
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
He's still fairly young
just like kruger …He’s got a great wrister and a knack for roofing the puck at point blank range…I think he’ll get better, just as kruger did, and over time, who knows, he may be a top 6 winger eventually
when did you run into will smith!?
by desertindian on Dec 9, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
If Smith were to play regularly on Bolland's line for a full season
I can see him getting in the vicinity of 10 goals and an equal number of assists. If he wound up with 15-20 points for a season in addition to playing a solid defensive/checking game that would be just fine.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
i like Optimus Grind
mostly for his nose for the puck and gritty play around the net.
I don’t see the Bolland/Kruger comparisons, at least not yet.
He was caught out of position again on the Isles second goal the other night.
We like our people!
You're talking about Kruger being out of position on the Isles 2nd goal, right?
I dvr’d the game and watched later. I noticed on that goal, after several watchings, that just before the puck came out to the point for the shot all five Hawks were below the top of the circle on one side of the zone, with Sharp (I think) the only Hawk in front of the net defending the slot.
This is a repeated problem for the Hawks in their own zone. They have a tendency to over play/pursue and leave lots of open areas behind the play for opposing players to exploit for good shot/scoring opportunities. A little more positonal discipline in their own zone would go a long way toward cutting down on good scoring chances for their opponents.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
oops
I meant Agent Smith, but it was on the first goal., not the second.
He was on left wing- Leddy made the crappy chip play up the boards. Smith came all the way across the ice before realizing he was out of position. He backed off into the center of the ice, in a position sure to do no harm to anybody. But he was hypnotized by the puck.. He never turned around to see the d-man entering the zone behind his back until it was too late.
Laaarmer- can we get some screen caps on this?
We like our people!
What's up with
the fucking Wild? Even with a 3rd string rookie in net, they are dominating the Kings.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
They play a great system, and have bought into it 100%
They also never seem to take a night, or even a period, off.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, ...need I go on?
UNLIKE THE HAWKS!
Oh, except for the time a couple weeks back when they got trounced pretty good in back to back games by Edmonton and Calgary. Sound familiar?
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by HungryHungryPanda on Dec 9, 2011 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
That third string rookie
Was pretty good in the Calder Cup finals this past season.
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by light_the_lamp on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
While the Wild have a good crop of goalies
Let’s not forget that the Kings are dead last in goals per game.
Right. Even Craw looked good against them.
by bluekoolaide on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Teams that peak in December and January win President's Trophies
Not Chalices.
Right Ovie? Right Sedin? (doesn’t matter which one).
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 9, 2011 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I think the Shoe will eventually drop with them
Unless they can start putting more rubber behind the other Goalie, I think even with their tending they get now, teams will start doing enough to beat them more often.
MIN 22nd in GF/G (2.586)
2nd in GA/G (2.172)
6-2 in one goal regulation games, and 16, 1 goal games overall out of 29 played going 11-5. A small change in GA/G against MIN can have a big impact!
BOS is 1st in GA/G at 2.074 but also back it up with the 4th best GF/G at 3.296
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
Holy butt-hurt Lightning, Batman!
Can’t believe how much attention this Anisimov goal celebration is getting. He’s sniping at the net, like a sniper would, not at the players, you bunch of over-sensitive babies. I thought you were hockey players. And Stamkos with his “boo hoo we won’t forget this” comment is even more stupid.
by Ban on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Geez!
We just had a guy shoot his wife and 4 kids last week 3 miles from my house and I didn’t take offense to that. Grain of salt people.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
hahaha
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Dec 9, 2011 6:21 AM CST up reply actions
i didn’t think what Anisimov did was bad, but I do think hockey is more of the blue collar sport where things such as salsa dancing after a TD or back flips isn’t par the course, and I like that about the sport.
Not sure it matters what Stamkos remembers about this play. His team is inferior to the Rangers and it’ll be that way for some time—Lundy is some goalie.
True dat. In the words of Da Coach
If you get in the end zone, act like you’ve been there before.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 9, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
who was that douche who laid his stick on the ice after a goal
and basically acted like it was on fire? Granted it was hilarious, but also quite douchey.
Don't strain your shoulder patting yourself on the back
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Dec 9, 2011 4:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pfftt on the goalie 'controversy'
Same people who’re all ‘yay, Emery!’ were the same people asking ’Why’d Chicago sign him?’ when he got pulled, or looks shaky because of flexibility/mobility, or made bad plays on previous games. The minute he blows a game, it’ll be ‘booo! trade Emery!’
He looked solid tonight, but then again, as noted, he also got caught out of the net several times and was rescued by the D. Why doesn’t the D show up consistently every night? That’s the bigger issue.
Q-speak after the game suggests that Emery might start again on Sunday – Q always plays the hot hand, after all – but then again, Crawford also just played 1-0 vs the Sharks two weeks ago. (That Crawford vs Niemi storyline is always fun.)
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Hoping Crow gets the start
Partially because of the Craw vs Niemi thing but also because I fear the Sharks are too good for Emery. And yes, he isn’t very mobile laterally, despite tonight’s performance, but that’s what happens when you’re missing a chunk of bone in your leg.
by Ban on Dec 9, 2011 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
have you noticed
On this board it’s all about what you’ve done lately.
Well, almost all. Most criticisms are game by game and not of a personal nature, unless the sarcasm is evident. This is a better behaved group than most of the CRPG game boards I visit.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 9, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Agent Smith had another weird game
…. always around the puck—hacking-chopping-unbalanced yet doing generally good things….until the play stop and then he stops and just stares at other players. I swear he is weirder then Bolland.
H'8ter Proof™
Just for that
Bolland is going to email you a picture of himself in a clown suit holding a very big knife
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Dec 9, 2011 7:20 AM CST up reply actions
the scariest part?
in the picture he’s going to be standing over your bed while you’re asleep…
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by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
while holding a picture
of the same pose while standing over your grandparents bed in the 50’s.
I'm just gonna assume you were drunk again, Killion
Or your computer REALLY sucks.
Hammer’s hit was on Grabner. And the Islanders’ second goal was a slapper by Staios that was went off Grabner on its way to the net.
Of course, if you read the third period thread then you’re also excused because that thing made me lose some brain function.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Dec 9, 2011 7:21 AM CST reply actions
not drunk
Must have just wrote things down wrong
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by Killion on Dec 9, 2011 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
actually...
It was the isles first goal I thought hit Hammer. I now think YOU are the drunk one.
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by Killion on Dec 9, 2011 12:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Being called a drunk by one of our vaunted TOS
is like being called “hot” by a supermodel
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Dec 9, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't look now
But the Hawks PP is up to 9th at 19.44% and the PK is “up” to 27th at 76.92. This is after the PP was below 10% until a few weeks back, and the PK had been below 75% for a couple weeks as well. The Special teams sum is now at 96.36, for a long while it was hovering around 90-91. It takes more to get PK numbers up then PP numbers, but the trends are nice.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 7:56 AM CST reply actions
Here come the Hawks
The mighty BLACKHAWKS!
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Dec 9, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, this too
The Hawks GF-GA-L is now at -2 (pace of -5.7) no team with a score of -10 or higher has missed the playoffs back to 2003, and 82.6% teams that have scored -45 or higher have made the playoffs, and 93.3% of -20 or higher.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
Thank god the 'Hawks killed it off
but that 5-on-3 was complete crap. First off the penalty on Kane was absolute bullshit – talk about a weak call. I didn’t actually see the Bolland high stick, but I was at the game and missed it and they didn’t show the replay on the scoreboard, but when I saw the ref’s hand go up I thought it was because Leddy was getting hooked like crazy going into the corner to get the puck off the faceoff.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Agreed, Kane's trip to the sin bin
was not deserved. On the other hand, Bolly got and deserved his right at the faceoff dot.
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Dec 9, 2011 8:01 AM CST up reply actions
I don't doubt that Bolland's high stick was legitimate
I was just saying I didn’t see it, I was focused on Leddy getting the shit hooked out of him at the same time that the refs completely ignored.
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by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
The butt of his stick came up under the Isle's player's chin.
I don’t recall which Isle it was.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Dec 9, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
That's all well and good that the high stick call on Bolland was a legit call
but that doesn’t take away from the facts that
a) the call on Kane was about as week as they come
b) going into the corner to get the puck off the face off, Leddy was getting hooked worse than a terrible act during open mic night at the Apollo
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by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Bolland call was too legit to quit.
His stick got up there and then he just gave the guy a butt-end to the face. Everyone is bitching about the Caricllo penalty, the Bolland one was about 50 times worse as it put the Hawks on an almost 2 minute 5-3 PK.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
One guy who I thought had a good game was Kruger
drove the net on our 2nd goal opening it up for the pass to Sharpie. He’s bound to actually get points eventually playing with Hoss and Sharp. Until then he keeps doing a lot of the right things. Then again, it was the plan all along.
I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down
I'm liking what I've been seeing out of the plan all along
and he’s clearly made a good impression on Q – started the year in Rockford, called up game 2 and spent time on the 4th line, promoted to wing on Bolland’s line, and now he’s playing 2C between Sharp and Hossa. That’s a pretty damn quick rise in just 29 games, and it says to me that despite the fact that the points aren’t coming yet Q clearly likes what he’s been seeing from Kruger both in games and his hard work in practice.
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by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
I give Kruger an 'assist' on G # 2
he drove the net hard and took 2 defenders with him, opening the passing lane.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 9, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
If Hossa & Sharp keep piling on the points with Kruger between them
then I don’t give a shit whether Kruger gets any points himself
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
exactly and Q said the same thing
The point will come but he has to continue to play his game defensively
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
let me add Lepisto to that list
and I hope someone says to Q “HEY LOOKEE! WE GOT AN ADEQUATE BOTTOM LINER D – MAN!” Please stop making this man sit in the press box every damn game, Q.
Shot charts from NYI
It is interestinhg to me that me witnessed the return of Esquire02 in prime goalie contoversy form last night. Take a look at the shot charts from CBS below. they are actually inverse(?). For example Hossa’s goal was from the opposite as was the NYI 3rd period goal. So, flip it. Laarmers conclusions after the graphics
1st period

2nd period

3rd period

Much better job by the team covering/not alowing too many shots from the mid slot. Some wonkyness in the 2nd around the net though. Emery must have been on his head. Ummmm, no. Anyway my observation is that 2 goals went in from too far out. Screens and tips, correct? .939 sv% should get Emery another start, but he was helped by his friends on regular skates. I say if Craw was in the net for this one very similar outcome, but he wasn’t. It was Emery, so give him the next and the next and the next, until a back to back or he falls to his .890.
All around solid game by the looks of this.
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by laaarmer on Dec 9, 2011 8:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wierd they seems to be backwards, or mirrored to the opposite side
Shooter goal also came from the left circle, not right.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
Until I find another easy site, we'll just have to deal with the flippy floppy
Like spongebob says
“Imagination”
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ESPN has a similar shot chart
may be more accurate. Even has hits and penalties along with the shots.
link here. This one show WAY more slot activity than the CBS site I used above.
This looks more accurate to me, but it is ESPN, so you decide.

If you follow the link you can click to add in the hits, etc. this is just showing the shots.
Hold My Stones
look how many shots the Islanders got from the middle of the ice. I still think the defensive effort was rather poor last night but I’ll fall in line with anyone that insists we should be happy about last night’s win and move on.
I do expect a much better effort against the Sharks. This team seems to step it up against elite competition (even if they do lose)
I think that the biggest criticism of this team
is that they display a frustrating tendency to play down to the level of their competition. This ‘Hawks team is capable of skating with and beating any team in the league, but often times against weaker teams they just don’t play as well as they’re capable of
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
I think the CBS one is better
first off, the ESPN one is IMO a little more confusing because unlike the CBS one the shots and goals are laid over the logo of the team that allowed them instead of the team that shot them – ‘Hawks shots and goals are over the Islanders logo and vice versa. Also, it’s still mirrored
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Only Hossa's goal is mirrored
Computer probably can’t deal with a shot from below the goal line being a goal. If you mouse over at the site Hossa’s goal is the one at the corner of the old style square crease.
BUT you don’t shoot at your own goal. That big Hawk there is Emery. He covers a lot of ice.
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No, all 3 of the 'Hawks goals are mirrored
In reality all three of them came from the left side of the ice (from the vantage point of standing at the blue line facing the goal) whereas the graphic shows all 3 coming from the right side
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
It must be because I always look at my monitor in the mirror
It looks better that way and I get to pretend I’m Leonardo.
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story checks out
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by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
HEY CNS
Thought this little pdf would interest you. Maybe some other stat nerds. TMI for me but take a look if you think you can understand
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Here is a pretty good report on Shot Quality
From 2010. Soupy and VERSTEEG! even make a cameo!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Aghh
Did not catch that. I guess we are perusing the same thing now!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Many miles away
Something crawls from the slime at the bottom of a dark Scottish lake.
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The lesson.
Forwards: Good things happen in front of the net
D Men: Don’t leave a forward unchecked in front of the net
Goalies: Make sure any rebounds go to the corner.
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 9, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I found this on nhl.com
Pretty good shot chart, but I am having trouble finding a potential link/filter page. Anybody know of one or how to find it?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
Some food for thought or discussion,
since it was mentioned last night on the drink-a-thon broadcast.
Hawks at the UC
GF/G = 3.769
GA/G = 3.308
Hawks in the Bad Lands
GF/G = 2.938
GA/G = 2.938
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 8:22 AM CST reply actions
Remember the game many "want" to throw out as a statistical anamoly (9-2 curb stomping)
That happened on the road!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
what about the 6-2 curbstomping at home
by putmeinthemadhouse on Dec 9, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
If the Edmonton game gets thrown out
wouldn’t Emery’s stats be something like a 2.13 GAA & .945 Save%?
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
The point was
EVEN with that 9-2 score, Away GA/G is still considerably better than at home!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 9, 2011 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Went through this yesterday with CNS
If you are going to throw away a shitty game for Emery, then you have to throw away 2 shitty games for Craw. CGY and VAN. His stats go way up too.
This is a bogus way of going about using stats and reeks of making stats prove your point. The numbers are what they are.
TMFF is correct.
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I wanted to add your point
but got interrupted. I occasionally get sidetracked by silly things like by being employed.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Another guy I was happy to see play was Lepisto
Thought he wassolid in his first game back. Looks like he might remain in the lineup for at least 1 more gamez
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
I sure as hell hope he does
O’Donnell isn’t bad but at this point just so incredibly slow, and Fluffy is, well, Fluffy…
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Dec 9, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
This, exactly
It’s not like Lepisto didn’t have his bad/rusty moments, but he can make up for the occasional hiccup with his speed. He almost turned the puck over early in the game, but was able to close the gap quickly and get the puck out of the zone.
All things being equal, I’ll take the 6th Dman who can actually move his feet.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Dec 9, 2011 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
I dont expect Lepisto to be Keith. I expect that he is going to make mistakes but it was a smart play when he turned that puck over, and I think Montador took that guy as Lepisto cut back to the inside to stop the pass in front of the net
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
but don't you find it strange that...
Q skates the slow guy (OD) against faster teams and the faster guy (Lepisto) against quicker teams? It’s much the same counter intuitive decisions I saw the coaching staff make on the west coast road trip that saw Scott out almost every single night and then benching the guy at the UC.
I can only attribute that to offfensive thinking.
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 9, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Scoring depth
Teams with most players with 9+ points:
Blackhawks – 12
Hurricanes – 12
Flyers – 12
Penguins – 12
Canucks – 12
Teams with most players +30 points:
Blackhawks – 3 (Hossa with 29)
Canucks – 2
Leafs – 2
Teams with most players 20-29 points:
Panthers – 5
Sharks – 4
Teams with most players 10-19 points:
Blues – 10
Hurricanes – 9
Canucks – 9
Jets – 9
Teams with fewest players +9 points (least amount of depth):
Lightening – 6
Islanders – 6
Kings – 6
The Panthers
Anyone noticed what Dale Tallon has done with the Panthers? I do not believe his turnarounds are a fluke. Maybe John McDonough should take notice of what he lost.
You do have bad viewing from the computer.
hammer laid out grabner and staios scored the isles 2nd goal
Big game tomorrow
Everyone in the division won except Columbus. The Wild as well.
Need 2 points to keep pace, even though we’re in front of everyone except Minn.
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Dec 10, 2011 10:29 PM CST reply actions

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