The Balcony Is Open
McClure:
Now that mid February is upon us, teams have begun swapping players around, and some moves have already brought some significant pieces from the Eastern Conference to the nuts-to-butts West. Anaheim has re-aquired a personal favorite player of mine Francois Beauchemin to bolster their blue line in exchange for Joffrey Lupul, whose job is apparently to just get traded. Mr. Carrie Underwood- Mike Fisher- has defied the laws of insufferable cuteness and been sent to Nashville for picks, possibly a first rounder depending on the Preds' finish this year. And last but not least, our Men of Four Feathers sent Dale Tallon's pet project Jack Skille (and his talents) to South Beach in exchange for Michael Frolik.
While GM Stan Bowman has been stating that Frolik helps to solidify the center position, he's taken all of 12 draws this year and Quenneville is already yammering about his versatility- which means Q will use him anywhere and everywhere. Personally, I like this trade, it's low risk, as the Hawks acquired a top-6 player for a bottom-6 player for only marginally more salary (pro-rated from here on in) regardless of where he plays. But that's the $1.2 million dollar cap hit question, isn't it Mr. Fels? Where do you see Frolik slotting in at least to start this weekend, and of the three moves out west so far, which do you think has the potential to make the greatest impact going forward for their new teams?
Sam:
Well, let's get to the Frolik move first, as that's the first priority. You and I were talking yesterday, in my never ending pursuit to keep you from being productive at work, and I said to you the following: "When I watch Sharp and Hossa together, I can't help but think they need someone on that line who can dangle, hold the puck and draw defenders, and be able to dish and make plays." Before I had even finished, you concluded I was angling for a pursuit to bring Kris Versteeg back home, which indeed I was.
Well, in essence, that's what they've done, although cheaper and without the dumb sunglasses (I assume) and bad rapping. I'll admit to not having seen that much of Frolik, but from what i have and the numbers he already probably has one of the best set of hands on the team. Looking at a +10 and a +2 this year on an awful Florida team, he can't be totally defensively helpless. But he clearly can bring something resembling what Versteeg did, though no penalty killing. I'm pretty excited to see how it looks.
However, there are some red flags, too. Panther fans have alluded to a disappearing act this year. Now, I'm hoping this is just due to being jaded by all the losing, but we won't know until he gets here. Secondly, he hasn't played center this year and even though that's where Stan wants him, someone else is going to have to take his faceoffs because he just hasn't. He doesn't solve that problem, he would have to play with Sharp to do that. But other teams do that, Jarome Iginla takes most of his line's draws. There's also the problem of Frolik not playing in any game nearly as intense as the last 28 he'll see here since the Cats made that playoff push a couple years ago, and this is the West which is far more physical, we just don't know how he'll react. Thirdly, I'll be shocked if Q starts him at center, which means more of Kopecky at center and we all know where that road ends.
All in all though, I think it's a very good deal. They can talk about Skille's skill set all they want, but he hasn't been a prolific scorer in college, or in the AHL, so I can't see how he'll be one here. He strikes me as being a very effective third liner one day, and Frolik can be a top 6 I think. That's a win. Throw in a a possible future NHL goalie, it gets better. It'll also depend on how good Frolik is the rest of the year and then what that will mean he'll want as a restricted free agent, but those are questions for later.
As far as biggest impact? It'll probably Fisher. The Preds desperately needed a center, and Fisher is certainly a good 2nd line center who can moonlight as a #1 in Nashville where they aren't terribly creative as it is. He's more expensive though, and signed for a while, and you wonder what the Preds overall budget is and how much he'll take up, because it isn't at the cap. Beauchemin is a nice pick up for the Ducks, but the blue line still needs help and with Hiller ouchy I'm not even sure it matters. We shall see.
The balcony is now closed. Milk Boy, save us Milk Boy!
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made a good point on this and I think it speaks to Florida fans complaining about Frolik disappearing. Frolik’s shooting % (including missed shots) is 7.56%. Thanks to statistical variance, he’s shot 0 for his last 75. Wait for him to regress to his mean and then watch for everyone to talk about how he just needed a change of scenery.
exactly. frolik is incredibly talented. check out this thread over at japers’ rink for more discussion of the trade. more than a few caps fans are upset knowing frolik moved for so little (we need scoring in case you hadn’t heard).
by Natty Bumppo on Feb 10, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
that last parenthetical remark … I mean, I know that, but it still knocks me out every time I think abuot it.
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we’re keeping our fingers crossed over here. really the only significant difference between AO/NB last year and AO/NB this year is the power play. that doesn’t sound like a big deal, but of course we were one of the best PP teams last year and one of the worst this year. there’s still time…but it’s getting antsy.
by Natty Bumppo on Feb 10, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Reading through threads over at JP makes us at SCH seem so...
retarded.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 10, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
amazing how much of a difference that makes
reminds me of CNS’s comment about Hossa’s production only being off from years past because of PP scoring
Speaking of PP scoring...
StanBow was on the radio today talking about Frolik’s ability to play 5 on 5. Of his 50 career goals, only 7 have come on the PP.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 10, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like we got another edgy guy in the pipeline
Thing is, he plays between the pipes. From NHL.com:
One thing that has gotten Salak in trouble at times during his career is his hot temper on the ice. Opponents can sometimes throw him off his game by crashing the net, and he has been known to let bad goals or unpenalized contact by an opposing player cause him to lose focus. He has already racked 41 penalty minutes this season and served a two-game suspension. The banishment came as a result of an incident on Jan. 8 that saw a frustrated Salak chase after Timra IK forward Bjorn Svensson and strike him in the head with his blocker.
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-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 10, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions
Eddie Belfour Jr?
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by HjammerTime on Feb 10, 2011 5:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like Luongo without mood-stabilisers
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Billy Smith, Ron Hextall?
Yeah goalies are nuts, next…..
nice
My hockey-related comment: Thowing an octopus on the ice is the dumbest meme in professional sports. I'd rather throw waffles.
by puppetmasterp on Feb 11, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
god, i love that you assumed bad sunglasses.
that’s just good writing… and thinking. fun shit.
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
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You still in ye olde England?
If so, how’s that going?
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Yep yep.
Digging it. Got settled in, met some friends, dating a cute chick I met in London.
Guess the only downside is that I haven’t been able to catch that many games this season. What I have seen seems to be a pretty indicative, smaller sample of what we’ve all seen.
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
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by Campbell32 on Feb 11, 2011 6:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
For how good of a job GNR did covering Dylan's "Knocking on Heaven's Door"
their cover of “Sympathy for the Devil” was only surpassed in suckitude by Dylan’s own cover of “And It Stoned Me.”
McClure you’re scaring me.
All the critics you can hang 'em. I'll hold the rope-ah. But they hope-ah to the pope-ah. And pray it ain't dope-ah. -Peptic Enema
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 10, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Follow the Beauchemin Trail, follow the Beauchemin trail…
Sorry, can’t help but think Good Morning Vietnam when I see his name.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
And in seeing your post
I thought of the Wizard of Oz….
Follow the Beauchemin Trail, follow the Beauchemin trail….Follow the, follow the, follow the, follow the, Follow the Beauchemin Trail
Love this trade!
Frolik is a left handed center and if he can get better at the dot, he’ll be perfect as a center for Hossbollah. Also, I totally already made a trade for him in my dynasty mode for NHL 10 (I think I was able to deal Buf for him… which is nice and totally wouldn’t happen in “real life”). Maybe Stan Bowman is a big fan of NHL 10 too?
by Cristobal the Cat on Feb 10, 2011 6:53 PM CST reply actions
I always liked it when Skille picked up the puck inside our own blue line on an outlet. It meant you could reliably predict the ensuing flattening into the boards about 3 or 4 seconds after that (once he got about 3 or 4 strides into the opponent’s zone). I get the feeling other teams could basically paint an X on the glass where they expected Skille’s helmet marks to accumulate. They probably had a pool going, betting on frequency.
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They need at least 45 points in 28 games
So something like a 20-3-5 record.
Short answer: no.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 10, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Skille's FLA debut
17:45 of ice time and 10(!) hits. And a minus-1. And his crappy team lost.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 10, 2011 9:30 PM CST reply actions
Ten hits?
Jesus…..even with a little hometown scoring bonus, that’s impressive. Good job, Jack! Work on that -1, though.
92 hits recorded for that game
51 for FLA and 41 for BUF. I didn’t see the game, but that seems awfully inflated.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 10, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Watched the first period of the Panthers' telecast and
from their announcers’ gushing praise of Skille you’d have sworn the had traded for Tomas Holmstrom. They went on and on about how he’s a great net presence, a big physical forward, hits everything in sight, etc., ad nauseum. They also talked about what a great prospect Jessiman is. Either Tallon gave them a script or they’re completely delusional and don’t watch much hockey. Or both.
Also watched.
Skille debuted with a #15 sweater. His 95 hits (95?! really?!) already lead the team even with the limited amount he played. Got a chance on the first line with Stephen Weiss and on the 1st PP unit. Really good opportunity for him, hope he develops and becomes… something.
by dangles we can believe in on Feb 11, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
His never are going to *obviously* increase due to getting time on the top lines and PP
and people are going to say he just needed the opportunity he didn’t get here. Just wait.
All the critics you can hang 'em. I'll hold the rope-ah. But they hope-ah to the pope-ah. And pray it ain't dope-ah. -Peptic Enema
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
er, His numbers are going to...
All the critics you can hang 'em. I'll hold the rope-ah. But they hope-ah to the pope-ah. And pray it ain't dope-ah. -Peptic Enema
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
definitely both
when i lived out of state and had center ice i heard the panthers broadcast team a couple of times. they were ridiculously bad.
honestly nashville doesn’t stick out as being bad for me so i can’t say for sure one way or the other. the florida guys just got my goat because they got everything wrong. i understand you only see the team once a year but they get this very detailed stat packs before the games and a cursory read would allow them to not sound like total idiot.
I don't think they are awful...
Weiss is a good player. Santorelli is good. Got drunk with the guy and a few other dudes now playing for Nashville and Phoenix a few times before when he was with the Preds AHL affiliate in Milwaukee, good times.
by dangles we can believe in on Feb 11, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'M NEVER GONNA DANCE AGAIN
You need to sync up the radio feed to get the unimpeachable glory of Randy Moller
Second City Hockey
Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure
I just hope Ron and Sammie finally go their separate ways.
Picture bloodbaths and elevator shafts
Like these murderous rhymes tight from genuine craft
I'd say you could call that going their separate ways.
/was forced to watch
//still ashamed
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I hate to say this
But ever since I was forced to watch it’s like a train wreck. You want to turn away but you just can’t help looking.
Now I gulp somewhat enjoy this trash
It does make you feel a little better about yourself. As in, I will never be a douchebag on the scale of these people.
Except Vinny, that dude is alright.
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I posted some stuff regarding Frolik from DZ in the last thread
but thought these comments further down in the thread were even better (and saves anyone from having to look up his stats).
They were in reply to a commenter laughing off the idea that per DZ, Frolik’s low S% and current slump are simply bad luck since when all else is equal, players don’t control their S%. The commenter then implied that although Frolik had taken more shots, less were from scoring chances and wanted to know if DZ had data to back up his claim…
No. But we have his average shot distance from the last three years
Avg. Shot Distance
32.3’ … 2008-09
33.5’ … 2009-10
33.1’ … 2010-11
And we have his scoring chance percentage from this year: 53%
We have his Corsi numbers from this season.
And we have his zonestarts from this season.
And we have his qualcomp from this season.
His shot distance isn’t moving back away from the net. He’s taking on the toughest competition. He’s getting the toughest zonestarts. He’s got a positive Corsi and he’s winning the scoring chances battle.
He just turned 23 years old.
I don’t care who thinks he’s soft, you don’t beat the toughs with his zonestart at 22 unless you’re a damned good player. He’s a damned good player.
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by Derek Zona on Feb 9, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
He’s been beating the toughs since he was a rookie:
http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/5/3/1455867/the-best-forwards-in-the-nhl-tough
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by Derek Zona on Feb 9, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently, someone thinks Frolik might just be a damned good player. I wonder if he still thinks Bolland is overrated though?
All the critics you can hang 'em. I'll hold the rope-ah. But they hope-ah to the pope-ah. And pray it ain't dope-ah. -Peptic Enema
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2011 12:47 AM CST reply actions
I would never argue any hockey with the copper & blue folks. They have stats to back up their stats’s stats. Interesting stuff. I am hoping he gets a shot with healthy Hoss and Brouw.
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by west_fulton on Feb 11, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ditto!
If you make a statement based on observation on their site, the immediate following up question is, “Do you have stats to back that up?”
All the critics you can hang 'em. I'll hold the rope-ah. But they hope-ah to the pope-ah. And pray it ain't dope-ah. -Peptic Enema
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
as discussed last year
the danger with quants is that things that are difficult to quantify sometimes get short shrift.
also as discussed last year, the game of hockey does not lend itself as easily to quantitative analysis as some other sports (famosly, baseball.)
Long live the eye test!
we are the people our parents warned us about
by cliffkoroll on Feb 11, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
well it's hard to say, really
arguing a point with stats isn’t all that different from doing so without numbers… it’s in the interpretation and you can disagree with them (just don’t pick & choose just to prove a point you came up with ahead of time)
Of course didn’t they come with an “eye test” stat? (coughscoringchancescough)
by VerStig on Feb 11, 2011 1:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like
Skille has always had the size and speed, just couldn’t finish. That’s always been the problem, with more minutes he probably produces more.
Frolik was pretty highly touted coming out of the draft and with better players around him he should at least seem interested.
And now Hossa has another upper body injury….. He is killing the Hawks this year.
" That’s always been the problem, with more minutes he probably produces more."
true that
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Well in some ways
the flu IS an upper body injury
by VerStig on Feb 11, 2011 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Could be a lower body injury too
depending on the kind of flu….
by Katherine215 on Feb 11, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
They lost in OT
so they still got a point.
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