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No Moral Victories - Canucks 4, Hawks 3

Tastes different than Byfuglien's.

You'll have to forgive the lateness of the wrap for this one, but a drink or 12 was necessary after what transpired last night. Reliving the narrative last night might cause too much indigestion, rage, and acid reflux, but let me first say that if the Hawks find that effort from last night for every game from here on out, there will be absolutely nothing to worry about.

  • First up - the officiating. Yes it was bad, and even Pat Foley, who is loath to call out the refereeing on the telecast (and even complimented Jay Shaerers early on) about lost his shit a couple times. But there was nothing that was going to change any of the calls, and the Hawks had to roll through it, and they almost did. 
  • Every line except Bolland's was cartoonishly in the positive in Corsi last night, which backs up the eye test. Brian Campbell was a +22, and was all over the ice, and got flat out robbed by Luongo on a feed from Bryan Bickell.
  • As Coach Q loves to point out, the difference in the game was penalty killing. The Hawks had an extended 5-on-3 that they didn't convert on, and the Canucks got a makeup phantom call on the heels of it which they converted. Though the calls were bogus, the Hawks still had to kill them and they didn't.
  • Luongo was both good and bad last night, if that makes any sense. He was giving rebounds left and right, and got beat on a couple of goofy goals in Boynton's and Bolland's, but he was solid otherwise. It didn't help that the Hawks insisted on shooting the puck directly into his glove.
  • Oh, and Nick Boynton still sucks, I don't care if he scored or not.
  • For the rest of the weekend, it's best not to look at the scoreboard until Monday. There are games all over the docket whose results regardless of the victor will push the Hawks further down in the standings. A hot streak for the rest of the trip would seem within reach if they can replicate the effort, but that's been the problem all year hasn't it?

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Tastes great different. Less filling.

Kessel, get your foot off the boat!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2011 1:43 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe the best 60 minute 5 on 5 effort of the season

And totally agreed that if that level of competitiveness is the norm through early April, we’ll be in the playoffs and a dangerous team to play.

by Flavius on Feb 5, 2011 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

All I have got to say is

Farfugneugen

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 5, 2011 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

Farfrombyfuglien

/Bobby Lu’d

Kessel, get your foot off the boat!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope seeing

that his current team can skate w/ the NHL’s best, Toews can whip his team into FTW mode against the NHL’s hottest come Monday.

I’ve given up on trying to figure out Q & his Boynton hard-on. Abrasive my ass. Like that’s scaring anyone.

Loved the intensity/effort, hate the result.

Hossa needs a Center, nuf sed.

by radguy213 on Feb 5, 2011 2:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

If that’s what he needs to get going, then his shit is fucked dude.

If anything he needs a change of address as he’s emulated his play in his final year in Atlanta – disinterested all season long.

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by hawks61 on Feb 5, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

a

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by burpchelischili on Feb 5, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought “a” meant agreement now?

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

“a” basically means there is no sense arguing it

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, got it.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Really? Are we destined to disagree on every single point?

Hossa absolutely lit up the charts at the beginning of the year, and was the single best Hawk through the first ten games. Then injury. Then the whole team began playing like ass. I think Hossa’s problem is the same as the team’s problem: inconsistency. But in Hossa at least I can peg it back to a potentially lingering few injuries.

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by ChicoMaki on Feb 5, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t know Chico if I would peg it back to injuries or not – it hasn’t helped. But he hasn’t been anywhere close to the guy I used to watch back in Ottawa when he owned the league, almost like Forsberg. Whether it’s an injury or such, I honestly couldn’t tell you but he’s been playing like a accessory rather than a factor (if that makes sense at all?)

He was great in October for sure I won’t take that from him, but as the season went along his game went south. Friday night was a perfect example that something isn’t right when he had a wide-open net after Luongo collided with Rome and he took a while to shoot the puck which seemed to me really odd. It could be his shoulder is still fucked but he’s playing through it, I don’t know?

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I think someone mentioned a while ago

and maybe last season maybe, that the shoulder problems were giving him trouble elevating his shots (though that may have been refuted by watching him raise his arms in goal celebrations… maybe that’s why he goes with the fist pump instead?). That does seem to be a common problem of his since he’s often shooting into the goalie when he’s got space upstairs.

His release is also supposed to be wicked fast when he’s on, so you’re probably right that something is wrong when he’s taking time to shoot.

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yah, I don’t know but for whatever reason that play stood out to me that something isn’t right with his shoulder.

As far as his quick release, you have no idea how quick it is live. I hope he can get healthy again and show everyone in Chicago how lethal it can be.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

disinterested all season long

This is a baseless comment. Hossa has looks disinterested?? Really? The same guy that dragged our floundering asses into something resembling a decent hockey team in the first few weeks? Yes, he hasn’t been his old self since his injury, but to say he is isn’t giving a shit or is washed up is just ignorant, IMO.

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 5, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Disinterested was harsh, and I don’t think he’s washed up at all. Something isn’t right that’s for sure.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen!

With the exception of the first 10 games that guy has been a fucking ghost. Sure he plays good D for a forward, but for piss sake, score a fucking goal that isn’t an empty netter. 12-17-29 is certainly not what I had in mind when we signed this guy to a lifetime contract

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by Tuke on Feb 5, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I am fully aware

that he has had some injury issues. However, When he was signed I along with probably everybody else thought we were getting the guy that did this:
99-00: 29-27-56 Senators
00-01: 32-43-75
01-02: 31-35-66
02-03: 45-35-80
03-04: 36-46-82
05-06: 39-53-92 Thrashers
06-07: 43-57-100
07-08: 29-37-66 Thrasher / Pens
08-09: 43-38-81 Scum
 So between 4 different teams over 9 years he averaged 79 – 36 – 37 – 77
So far with what he has done this year and last he is averaging 47 – 18 – 22 – 40

Now I certainly realize that he is not as young as he was in 99-03, but we picked him up coming off a 43 goal year.
I am not saying he is not a great player in any sense of the word, I am saying that since the his playoff goal slump last year he has not been the same offensive player with the exception of a handful of games. If he does need a center as posted earlier, then we are screwed. If it is some kind of lingering injury then he needs to be sat for as long as it takes him to heal and the team just deal with his absence as best as possible, but I don’t think anyone can argue that there is without a doubt something missing from his game.

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting stats

Any way you can find info on points per game in each of those years? I would imagine that as he gets older he is going to miss more games, and thus his point production will decrease. But i’m curious if he is still getting about the same point per game average.

Does Pavlov ring a bell?

by Sgarbs04 on Feb 6, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

if he averaged 77pts in 79 games

and now it’s 40/47 the numbers you need are right there.

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by shinkicker on Feb 6, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm certainly disappointed in his offensive output too

But remind me again why we need more scoring? Are we really “screwed” without getting more scoring from our 2nd line?

I’d just like for them to play defense… Sharpie’s negative +/- is not a good sign.

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

its obviously better to win 7-5 than 3-2

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously

In some ways this team is more like the 2008-09 ’Hawks…

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh god. I just spit on my screen. It had never occurred to me to go further back for comparison … and I think yuo’re right (hence, the spit) … there are more viable comparisons there than last year.

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by ChicoMaki on Feb 6, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh, more like the 2007-2008 ’Hawks if you ask me.

The team seems to look lost out there. It’s hard to execute a plan when there isn’t a plan in place. It’s almost like there’s a mutiny on the ship with the players often taking jabs at Q all season, especially with the line-changing.

Loose lips sink ships. I could be wrong, but there might be a discord between the players and Q.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

We need the EV scoring

You mentioned earlier about puck possession, and I think you are right on on that. The PP for the most part is very good at controlling the Puck, but EV it seems to be difficult for them to set up, even the guys who where able to last year. This not only squashes EV chances, it too often leads directly to the opposing team getting a good break out.

The EV game needs to turn around, yeah and that thing they call the PK which is another topic!

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 6, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying

we need more scoring, just pointing out that there is something not quite right with Hossa.

We are one of the top scoring teams in the league. Goals are not the problem. Some nights it’s poor D, other nights it’s poor goal tending, some nights it’s poor effort. even our inconsistency is inconsistent. Is that the definition of irony?

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Your numbers are inaccurate

First, in Detroit he played 74 games with 40 goals and 31 assists, total of 71 pts. It looks like you added his Pittsburgh numbers from the previous year to his Red Wing numbers.

Second, your average of what he’s doing for the Hawks is counting his 36 GP out of 52 as an entire season.

by Flavius on Feb 6, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You are correct sir,

numbers blurring together. Good call.

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

That is why I

stated “so far with what he has done this year and last year” I didn’t count this as a full season, just figuring his average so far, but for arguments sake he is on pace to more or less duplicate his numbers from last year (actually he is under his goals per game, but right on assist per game) but we’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and give him an average of last year’s line.

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Corrected numbers

 In his time in Chicago, Hoss has played about 70% of the time and is averaging just under 0.9 pts per game. It actually projects to an annual average of 57 GP 22 G 27 A 49 PTS. In the 9 seasons before coming here the average was 79 GP 36 G 40 A 76 PTS.

by Flavius on Feb 6, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

The contract was bad as I’m not a fan of 12 or 13 year contracts, especially since we already had Havlat.

With that said, when both are healthy Hossa is the much better player all around. You just hope that Hossa’s shoulder isn’t like Forsberg’s ankle.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Forsberg's back with the Avs now

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That’s crazy! I wonder if he’ll start in Colorado or with their minor affiliate?

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Report today

said he may start Monday night against the Yotes

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

According to the article I linked below he did travel with the team.

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like the big league

Forsberg

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Its different being hit in practice and being hit by guys that want to hit you.

Foppa is one of the greats, but let’s see how long lasting this is. Feet are kinda important in hockey, and the first time he takes one off the skate in front, from an opponent or friendly fire…

Well….the most famously fucked up feet in hockey are not going to last that long. Good luck to him though…I enjoy watching him play when its not against my team.

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by vancitydan on Feb 6, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree it should be an interesting show to watch

I doubt he will be seeing too much ice time. Maybe just the PP at first?

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably. Still can unleash that shot.

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. Roberto Luongo has a new mask, but he’s been waiting until he loses again before he breaks it out. If the last two months are any indicator, he could be waiting some time. Botch/Province 2/5/11

by vancitydan on Feb 6, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

He's been

wearing a no contact jersey in practice, so I really can’t see him playing Monday night, but then again…..

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He’ll be fine moving forward … I hope. Not so sure though, but Havlat recovered fine after 2 years so it wouldn’t be crazy to think Hossa could do the same.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you serious? Or just trying to stir up some shit?

In his last year in Atlanta, Hoss scored 56 points in 60 games and ended up the second leading scorer on the team, even though he finished the year in Pittsburgh.

In terms of points per game, he’s right now 3 points off last year’s pace, i.e. at last year’s rate he’d have 32 pts right now instead of the 29 he has in the 36 games he’s played.

by Flavius on Feb 5, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Something Still Missing

I still believe the chemistry is missing. Most notably, what has happened to Marian Hossa? I believe he has lost his killer instinct. Maybe a fat contract hurt him. Last year he would win games. This year he plays hard, but can’t score. Something is not right and maybe he is still injured or just lost his competitiveness. I do not think it fair to say they play good, but cannot win big games. The chemistry is still missing. How does Vancouver get to keep all its talent and stay under the salary cap, while the Hawks have gutted its talent. Something does not seem right. For now I call it overall chemistry. Why have no moves (trades) been made to improve? Maybe the scouting is worse since losing Dale Tallon. Something is wrong!

by ChiBoy on Feb 5, 2011 2:17 PM CST reply actions  

Sami Salo is on LTIR

They’re going to have to do something about the cap if he comes back, or they’re just going to keep telling him to stay hurt for a while.

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by McClure on Feb 5, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

We can send them Boynton

And he can re-injure Sami in practice.

by Flavius on Feb 5, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, have to do nothing now. Edler being hurt makes salary cap troubles go bye bye…

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. "They’re missing some defencemen and all of a sudden they’re pitching shutouts on the road. They’re deep. Being on top of the league there are reasons. Defence is important." Hawks' Coach Q 2/3/11...through gritted teeth, most likely.

by vancitydan on Feb 5, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Thx

But no. We are good on the blue line this year.

You guys are so nice though. Win the game AND you are giving us NHL players?

Why thank you… ;-)

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. "They’re missing some defencemen and all of a sudden they’re pitching shutouts on the road. They’re deep. Being on top of the league there are reasons. Defence is important." Hawks' Coach Q 2/3/11...through gritted teeth, most likely.

by vancitydan on Feb 5, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa, whoa, whoa

No one said anything about NHL players. We’re talking Nick Boynton here.

Tremendously tremendous!

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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Feb 5, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Zing!

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

You mentioned that chemistry is missing multiple times

Where exactly is it missing? There’s only one new guy (Kopecky) playing on the top 2 forward and defensive lines. Therefore 9 of 10 players on those lines are still the same, and Kop played on the team last season.

Kessel, get your foot off the boat!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

"...just lost his competitiveness."

Marian Hossa has lost his competitiveness??? Have you lost your fucking mind?

by Skags on Feb 5, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

With the exception of

“The Core” some desperate changes need to be made. To begin with Skille should be shipped back to Rockford, out of town, or shot (whatever is easiest to get away with). For as much as he contributes, bring Morin back up and let him get some more seasoning.

Stalz is a mystery. He started out with a few games that looked as if he may have something to contribute, but lately he just looks like the kid picked last who tries too hard to make an impact and just makes the situation worse.

Boynton…. Enough said.

Hossa is another complete enigma. I haven’t seen anything offensive from him in so long I keep waiting for him to take up residency on the blueline.

While consistency is certainly a problem along with chemistry, the players mentioned above have seemed to be just mailing in their performances all year.

Then again I hope they all turn it around and prove me wrong because the playoff window is getting smaller and smaller.

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by Tuke on Feb 5, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with Hossa is that we're finding out now...

…that he’s better as a supporting player than as a #1 guy. He needs to be surrounded by better talent (and a true center) in order to thrive. He doesn’t have that this year and so he’s basically drifted into the background.

Changes are going to have to be made. I’m starting to wonder if Seabrook might have to be sacrificed to the cap in order to add a true #2 center to work with Panda.

by bluekoolaide on Feb 5, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No way do you sacrifice Seabrook

To get Hossa a center. That’s just foolish. Give up what you know to be a great defenseman for the hope that a center will greatly boost Hossa’s game. That’s gambling and in the position we’re in it’s not advisable.

Besides, I don’t think Hossa’s problem is a lack of a good center. Even when he plays with Toews he doesn’t seem too noticeable out there and if Toews can’t bring out your A game, no center can.

by Ban on Feb 5, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m starting to wonder if Seabrook might have to be sacrificed to the cap in order to add a true #2 center to work with Panda.

Check that blue koolaide, I think it’s spiked with something.

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 1:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Believe me, I don't WANT to sacrifice Seabrook

I’m just trying to be pragmatic here. He’s an unrestricted free agent, we’re up against the salary cap and, supposedly, we have a lot of developing defensemen in the minors.
Plus, like it or not, we’re stuck with Hossa basically forever. if we don’t figure out some way to elevate his game, IMO we’re really screwed.

by bluekoolaide on Feb 6, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

we're up against the salary cap this year

next year, $4MM in bonuses comes off the books, the cap is expected to go up ~$2MM. We’ve got some wiggle room.

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by shinkicker on Feb 6, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Seabs is not unrestricted.

He’ll be RFA. Big difference. And if you trade Seabs the D goes to hell (or more to hell than it is already).

by flahawkfan on Feb 6, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought he will be an UFA

since this is his 2nd contract. Everything I see says unrestricted

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

actually, now I see some things that say restricted

I’m confused

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by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

He's an RFA

and I suspect he’ll wait to see if other teams come after him.

Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."

by cdz3210 on Feb 6, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Like bluekoolaide, I'm not suggesting trading Seabs

He’s on of my favorite Hawks and he gets very little spotlight for what he does compared to players like Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Campbell, Sharp, and even Bolland. But I disagree with

And if you trade Seabs the D goes to hell
Aside from getting high draft picks if Seabs was to receive an offer sheet the Hawks chose not to match, the Hawks would obviously have a lot of cap space to pick up a top notch d-man if one is available.
 
Plus, if Leddy develops and Olsen ends up being “all that,” the Hawks are going to have to move either Seabs or Hammer within the next few years.

Kessel, get your foot off the boat!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Long term, you may be right.

Short term, the D does indeed go to hell without Seabs. And there aren’t a lot of d-men out there the Hawks can sign or trade for to replace him near-term. Seabrook will be one of the top two physical d-men out there this summer and I don’t see any way in hell the Hawks can sign the other one (Weber). And to trade for a guy close to Seabrook’s talent will probably cost more than a Skille/Dowell/Stalberg type player.

Now, if Seabrook is asking too much (and over $5MM per year would be too much, IMO) it’s a different story and they might have no choice but to trade his rights or pass on another team’s offer sheet. But if they can get him for $5MM I’d rather the Hawks spend $1.5 of that cap room to pay him and trade Hammer if necessary.

(I’m responding because I’m pretty sure our post was directed at me and not bluekoolaid . . .)

by flahawkfan on Feb 6, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a good question

Has Hammer played well enough this year to warrant his deal and letting Niemi go?

I’m not saying Niemi has lit it up this year, just curious what others think.

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Niemi is 6-0-1 with a 2.31 GAA and a .938 SV% in his last 7 starts including a Shutout over Boston Saturday. All of this behind a horrific Sharks defence (if you the ’Hawks is bad take a gander at the Sharks D).

Niemi had a slow, mediocre start for SJ but has been the main reason why they’ve made their way back to the top-8 (5th at the moment).

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Keeping Hjalmarsson wasn’t the reason why the ’Hawks let Niemi go. By Stan trading away Reasoner for Taffe, and Ladd for Vishnevsky and a 2nd he made the cap room necessary to re-sign Niemi.

For whatever reason, he balked at the $2.75M price tag and has paid the price for it. Crawford has improved beyond anyone’s imagination, but he should’ve been the back-up this year. Gambling on a 35-year old netminder hoping to turn his career around was too risky then, and even more now.

As far as the cap implications go, Niemi would’ve meant an additional $1.45M in cap space which would have meant no re-signing of Boynton, no Johnson or Potulny, and Stalberg playing top-6 minutes in Rock Vegas – all of which would’ve been good IMO. That’s just me though.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Morin isn't going to get "seasoning" in the NHL

Not playing 4th line minutes. If you’re thinking long term, you keep him in the AHL because you save a year on his contract and give him more ice time to develop.

It’s been shown several times before, but as far as points are concerned, our 3rd and 4th lines are on pace to destroy what the 3rd/4th lines of last year did and greatly improve on their +/-.

Consistency is the primary issue, not any individual player’s performance.

by Ban on Feb 5, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

All I

was trying to convey was that he certainly wouldn’t be any worse than Skille out there. I understand he will get better playing time and improve more with the Hogs, just wondering if he may be able to provide more production than Skille because regardless of what the 3rd & 4th line do this year compared to last, I’m not sure Skille had much to do with it.

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Morin should’ve never seen the NHL this season at all. Stalberg should’ve been the one to go back and forth from Rockford to Chicago. He’s a kid [Stalberg] that still requires more seasoning to become a better, more rounded, NHLer.

Morin should’ve stayed in junior [OHL] one more year and developed further.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Le sigh.

Special teams hurt us again.

I swear I’ve never seen a goalie whine as much as that chump. I can only imagine the amount of tears he would shed if he played in the Central division with Holmstrom s(h)itting in front of his crease all these years.

She said, "you might be sick, but you feel alright to me."

by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Feb 5, 2011 2:32 PM CST reply actions  

Luongo whine?

No way! That’s unheard of.

by Ban on Feb 5, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

The reaction to the phantom goalie interference call says it all

He acted like Brouwer hit him with a crowbar

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Could it be possible

the Hawks feel like they’re getting screwed and start taking it out on the other team. Or perhaps I’m just dreaming on this lazy afternoon.

by activestick on Feb 5, 2011 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

I dont which was worse. Missing the first 2 periods.

Or having to watch that Ref. bumf’ing of the Hawks in the third. Yes we should still kill the penalty regardless. But, damn it we can only take so many non-calls and phantom penalties and win.

by neverhome30728 on Feb 5, 2011 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah as a fan there was certainly a cumulative effect

The first couple you could shrug off… at some point when we were all going “are you kidding me?” you have to wonder if the players start thinking the same thing.

by VerStig on Feb 5, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You know it's bad when.......

My mom texted last night “me thinks these refs suck”. She only watches a little bit of hockey with me so basically it was a noob saying this. I sent back “me thinks you aren’t using strong enough words to describe the refs”. Of course you can only blame so much on the refs. I think the boys played well and we just didn’t get the outcome we wanted. Keep playing like this and the points will come.

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by stacie7 on Feb 5, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

it was a clear showing that this ain't last years hawks

Last year they’d have won that one

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The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Feb 5, 2011 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

Sure seems like it, huh?

Still have good memories of that November/December stretch where we practically were undefeated.

by VerStig on Feb 5, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Lu-shit

stole that one last night. He made some saves out of his ass. What can you do. I still think we outplayed them and will win many games if we play that way every shift, every period, every night. More of this HAWKS!!!!!

I hate to hear these words, "We hope you enjoyed the broadcast in spite of the outcome." I would rather enjoy the outcome inspite of the broadcast.

by I Love Hawkey on Feb 5, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

i like this optimism

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 5, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Hawks repeat that effort, they'll be a force to be reckoned with

The problem is I have no reason to believe they will repeat it. If they can do it for 10 straight games, then it’s worth believing in. We’ve had too many “turning points” in the season that never panned out. I don’t care about the refs. You make your own damn luck and the Hawks deserved to lose last night because they haven’t earned it.

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by HawkJaw on Feb 5, 2011 3:54 PM CST reply actions  

We didn't deserve to win?

We busted ass, scored a goal that got taken away, and had a goal allowed against us that was an offsides. How did we not deserve to win?

by Ban on Feb 5, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I second Ban

I know, I’m shocked too.

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Every once in a blue moon

I stop spewing garbage via keyboard.

by Ban on Feb 6, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Usually you make good arguments

I just don’t agree with them most of the time lol.

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 7, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Derserved to lose?

How did they deserve to lose??? They played their asses off, got a goal disqualified that shouldn’t have been, and Vancouver scored a goal that shouldn’t have counted- and neither of these calls should have been questionable. It was very clear.

Vancouver also scored late in the second while on the power play for a penalty that never occurred. The REFS won that game. I know everyone likes to say that the Hawks can’t blame the refs because they need to pucks in the net. But this was NOT one of those games. The difference in this game and the outcome falls squarely on the zebras. It just does.

The Hawks didn’t deserve to lose this game on any level. They played and worked their asses off- not just worked their asses off, but out-worked and out played Vancouver. This was a game they very much deserved to WIN.

If they can repeat this kind of effort they’re going to win a lot more games than lose, and if they do squeak into the playoffs, and I suspect they will, they’ll be the team that nobody wants to face. But this has been a the problem most of the year- effort. Well last night they gave effort and should have won.

by Skags on Feb 5, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Hawks repeat that effort, they’ll be a force to be reckoned with
Hawks deserved to lose last night because they haven’t earned it

I am having trouble reconciling these two quotes as they seem to contradict each other.

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 5, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't understand how you can watch last nights game and say they deserved to lose

I don’t care what the hell happened the rest of the season, and everyone here acknowledges that they have been inconsistent and haven’t 100% put in the effort in all their games. Last night was not one of those games. They worked their asses off – what the hell didn’t they earn?

Sorry, I don’t think they deserve to be 2 points less in a game they “deserved” to win, just because they were shitty in other games.

by justforkicks on Feb 5, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe HawkJaw was referring to the "You Have Earned 1 Free Lucky Game" achievement card

each team gets after giving a consistent effort for 10 straight games.

I’m really surprised you guys didn’t know about this.

Kessel, get your foot off the boat!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It works kinda like a get out of jail free card

or Community Chest card.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 5, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

to somewhat clarify my rant

The cumulative effect of an inconsistent season rears its head at these type of games. I don’t disagree that they played their asses off last night and they got screwed on 2 calls, but I’ve seen worse calls go the Hawks way. So yeah, I believe if you don’t show up most of the time, then decide to occasionally play a hard 60 minutes, you haven’t earned it and you don’t deserve calls to go your way. I’m in the minority I’m sure.

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by HawkJaw on Feb 6, 2011 2:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

so you don’t think each game should be treated as its own entity? i obviously disagree but i’m trying to understand your stance on this. in my opinion, past play should not have any bearing on the calls made in the current game, and previous efforts should not have any bearing on the outcome of the current game (in the sense of deserving it or not).

by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2011 2:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it's one of those things

where when you’re busting your ass and playing good hockey, the weird bounces and calls seem to go your way but when you’re not, they don’t. (but I have no idea what the refs were smoking last night)

and it’s difficult not to see a single game within the context of an entire season.

San Francisco Giants: your 2010 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS.
Chicago Blackhawks: 2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.
best. year. ever.

by shinkicker on Feb 6, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I can understand that, but I look at last nights game and officiating and can’t imagine how their play in the past would have them deserve a lot of the calls on Friday – I could see the lucky bounces, I could even see a few minor calls. Friday was ridiculous.

by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Friday was insane

like, someone dropped the tiki head or something.

but our special teams being “special” isn’t really new. (Except for how our PP is statistically good? It confuses me after games like Friday)

San Francisco Giants: your 2010 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS.
Chicago Blackhawks: 2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.
best. year. ever.

by shinkicker on Feb 6, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

i don’t know – i assume a team won’t score on every pp especially against a good team like the canucks, though yes 0-5 including one 5-3 is absurd. It just seemed like they weren’t in positions they were used to – kaner kept trying to do the cross ice pass to sharpie that has consistantly worked, and he was never in a position to get it and put it in. Their mojo was definitely off friday night.

by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

it's in the math

if the #1 pp in the league scores 20 – 25% of the time, it means that they score on 1 out of every 4 or 5 pp opportunities. So there might be some nights where a team goes 0 for 5 like we did, but then it might average out on a different night where they go 2 for 2 or 2 for 5.

Does Pavlov ring a bell?

by Sgarbs04 on Feb 6, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes every game is it's own entity in a sense...

but if you cheat on your wife Monday-Thursday, then take her out to a nice dinner on Friday, don’t expect your marriage to work that night. Plus, even though the Hawks played hard, Turco let in 2 softies (and his GAA is 4.0 over the last 2 games), we didn’t convert on a 5-3 and we gave up a third period lead again with less than 10 minutes left in the game. Those are results of the cumulative effect. So I think it was a good effort against a better team. I’m obviously pissed off at the team’s performance this year and I’ve got my bias here, but I don’t have much sympathy for the team when they lose games like these.

I'm without a home.

by HawkJaw on Feb 6, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're "biased" against the team and sufficiently pissed off at them

that you can’t have some sympathy for them when they outplay the opposing team and lose, are you really a “fan”? I don’t mean to sound like an ass but I thought fans were supposed to be “biased” in favor of their teams, not against them.

Anyway, your analogy is silly because it’s not like the Hawks have mailed in in for the majority of their games. As poorly as they’ve played at times they still have a winning record. So they’re not “cheating” on you the majority of the time. Has this team frustrated me at times this season? Without a doubt. But if I got to the point that I was so angry with them that I couldn’t admit that some lousy calls went against them, I would consider myself a lousy “fan.”

by flahawkfan on Feb 6, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

this is pointless

We could do this forever. Rah rah rah. Go Hawks.

I'm without a home.

by HawkJaw on Feb 6, 2011 10:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

While I can't

speak for everyone, what frustrates me the most about games like Friday night is seeing what this team is capable of, and then seeing them blow leads in the 3rd against the Preds or getting waxed by the Oil can.
While they are without question not last year’s team, when they play the way they know how to I see alot of resemblance to last year’s team as far as hunger and desire go, and yet other times I feel like "What the hell, who is this team.
That’s just me though.

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

what i don't like

sentences that start like this:

I believe if you don’t show up most of the time…

this is babyish, untrue, and unfair to the Hawks.

Being a fan can by tough, and this year has a Sisyphean feel for Hawk fans, but get a grip.

Geez, just a smidgen of karma and the Hawks win the past three games and we’re all woo-hooing.

i’m sorry, but i can’t take three more months of this.

we are the people our parents warned us about

by cliffkoroll on Feb 6, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh...

Lots of changes at Versus, including everyone’s favorite phallis-shaped analyst

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 5, 2011 10:06 PM CST reply actions  

Talent moves were to be expected, after the Comcast/NBC Universal merger was completed

Comcast-owned Versus will make strides toward become a full-fledged competitor to ESPN little-by-little. Watch for the huntin’/fishin’/bull ridin’/Yatzhee competition shows start to vanish.

Give it 2 years. Vs. will go balls-out to keep the NHL as their centerpiece.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Feb 5, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be happy with Versus focusing on the NHL

And this has me very optimistic:

So the first significant change for VERSUS under NBC is a shift away from using television talent for in-game interviews to using ex-players and/or coaches to not only engage in those (frequently inane) interviews but to offer ice-level commentary during the game.

by Ban on Feb 5, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

More Pierre?! Why God?! Why do You hate me so?!

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

It's still funny

Turco hits Kesler

"Bickell to Brouwer to Bolland...BANG!" ~ Pat Foley, 12-26-10

Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, AND LEE!! HELL YES!

by HappyHuman on Feb 5, 2011 11:38 PM CST reply actions  

As a man AND Canuck fan

so NOT funny…

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. "They’re missing some defencemen and all of a sudden they’re pitching shutouts on the road. They’re deep. Being on top of the league there are reasons. Defence is important." Hawks' Coach Q 2/3/11...through gritted teeth, most likely.

by vancitydan on Feb 6, 2011 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

That “taint” funny either! ;-)

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. Roberto Luongo has a new mask, but he’s been waiting until he loses again before he breaks it out. If the last two months are any indicator, he could be waiting some time. Botch/Province 2/5/11

by vancitydan on Feb 6, 2011 4:29 AM CST up reply actions  

as a woman and hawks fan

it was HILARIOUS.

Even though Kesler is my least hated Canuck.

San Francisco Giants: your 2010 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS.
Chicago Blackhawks: 2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.
best. year. ever.

by shinkicker on Feb 6, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

While funny

It’s another example of how fucking horseshit the refs were last night. Nobody should be able to get away with that.

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 1:21 AM CST up reply actions  

The very next shift, Burrows was in front and got a pretty solid whack on the calf too. I was like…what the fuck Marty, did you not read your job description? People are going to be in front of you!

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. Roberto Luongo has a new mask, but he’s been waiting until he loses again before he breaks it out. If the last two months are any indicator, he could be waiting some time. Botch/Province 2/5/11

by vancitydan on Feb 6, 2011 4:33 AM CST up reply actions  

i’ve seen other goalies do that too actually (price for example), and nothing gets called, or even pushing the guy in front down (lundqvist as another example) – i’m certainly don’t think turco shouldn’t have hit kesler in the nuts, but are certain guys just more aggressive when players are in their crease then others?

by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

A little tap on the calf ( this was more ) is seemingly OK, as is the little push with the stick on the skate blade.

Refs would have saw Kes down doing the “I got hit in the cashews” moan and groan on the ice…and the very next shift?

They should have given a penalty for the first, and usually give a penalty for the second to make up for the first…all the time.

Hawks caught a bit of a break there…

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. Roberto Luongo has a new mask, but he’s been waiting until he loses again before he breaks it out. If the last two months are any indicator, he could be waiting some time. Botch/Province 2/5/11

by vancitydan on Feb 6, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

We caught a break.

by Ban on Feb 6, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

i actually didn’t see burrows get wacked, which i s why i was asking – didn’t realize it was a hard hit. definitely think we got away with one when he hit kesler though.

by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The next shift, Burrows went to the usual spot in front. He brought down the heel of the stick ( which is just about the hardest, densest and best part of the stick to use in that fashion ) with a quick jab on the calf.

Burr’ faltered and then stood back in, but you know that hurt.

Honestly, and you guys know I don’t mean this trollishly ( because that just how I roll! )…but as soon as he pulled that shit with Kes, I was sure you guys were going to lose.

Hockey karma, and the Hockey Gods, don’t have much tolerance for that shit.

Except for Matt Cooke. He sold his soul or has pictures of the Hockey Gods in a compromising position is the only thing I can think of.

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. Roberto Luongo has a new mask, but he’s been waiting until he loses again before he breaks it out. If the last two months are any indicator, he could be waiting some time. Botch/Province 2/5/11

by vancitydan on Feb 7, 2011 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m just saying for some of the Canucks fans that were saying the refs weren’t bad cough TheGreek cough should look to that so see how shit they were

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 7, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

One is not all

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by Semi_Colon on Feb 7, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If they didn't see

the puck was offside on Erhoff’s shot from 5 feet away, you actually think they seen Turco nut check Kesler behind his screen?

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

For the last time

Scoring is not the ‘Hawks problem. You can say “the core is not producing” but if they haven’t, the replacements have stepped up and the core scoring more isn’t really going to help us.

The top 6 teams in goals scored this season:

# TEAM GP Goals

1 PHI 53 180

2 VAN 53 179

3 DET 52 173

4 CHI 52 167

5 PIT 53 164

6 COL 52 164

We’re right up there with the best of them. What do our top guys have to do, outscore the whole league by a wide margin to win?!

I don’t want to rekindle the goalie debate, but even if you’re going to complain about that, Crawford’s been the starter for a good part of the past couple months. What’s been the constant all season long has been suspect team defense, led by everybody’s favorite D2K (hopefully his improved play as of late continues).

Just wanted to change the topic since I was tired of hearing the same complaint over and over again.

by VerStig on Feb 5, 2011 11:44 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

The same topic

So and so sucks, so and so needs to go, there is no chemistry, we suck, everything sucks, oh woe is us we are not going to make the playoffs – no chance in hell. Oh and Turco should never ever leave the bench again.

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by stacie7 on Feb 5, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Busy shoveling away those dead bodies

at the bottom of the cliff eh, stacie?

Seriously though. If we’re so bad about keeping 3rd period leads, did we really blow all those leads because our core didn’t score enough? I know people don’t trust stats very much in this sport but some of the “arguments” I’ve seen lately have been pretty darn weak.

by VerStig on Feb 5, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I totally agree with you VerStig

Does it really matter if the core is scoring if the support players are picking up the slack? Do people not see Toews, Hossa, etc. out there working? Is it even possible for Toews to even attempt to take a shift off? We are not last year’s team. The comparisons need to stop. Am I happier when Boynton and Scott are in the pressbox? Of course I am. I personally think that both goalies are capable of winning. The negativity around here is just too much any more. Is there anything positive anyone would like to say about this team? Everyone acts like we have the personnel problems of the Leafs or Islanders. We are better than that. Everyone has the right to their own opinions and this is the place to discuss them, but am I the only one that would like to see statements go beyond Q sucks, Boynton needs to go by the way of Johnsson, we deserve to lose, we have no heart, etc. Give me some stats. Give me a reasonable argument on what lines should be played and the explanation behind it. Oh and yes the body clearing at the bottom of the cliff is starting to hurt my back. Anyone else want to take a shift or two?

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

well, CNS has a nice new stats-filled fanpost up

I didn’t really understand all of it, but I found it interesting.

As for this team, I’m fine with people having high expectations, but the whole cliff-jumping when things don’t go the way people want? This is when I miss off-topic conversations, because there’s how many times can you repeat the same complaints to the same people? I don’t want to stop talking to you lot; I love the SCH community! Well, most of you. Some of you I just tolerate. ;)

by ahnfire on Feb 6, 2011 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I saw CNS's post too

I didn’t understand all of it either, but I am going to take another crack at it. Many of the stats go way over my head, but I much prefer those conversations to the gut reaction cliff jumping. CNS and Verstig may have to give me some stat lessons. I’ve never liked numbers.

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

OT-ish

In other news… my co-worker from Bagladesh mentioned the other day that apparently when there are revolts in his home country, the angry crowds show up with hockey sticks in their hands…

(apparently TIME magazine corroborates this?)

Did I miss something or is hockey really big in Bangladesh?

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

i would not have guessed hockey sticks would be the weapon of choice there.

by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Field hockey sticks…most likely…its huge there.

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. "They’re missing some defencemen and all of a sudden they’re pitching shutouts on the road. They’re deep. Being on top of the league there are reasons. Defence is important." Hawks' Coach Q 2/3/11...through gritted teeth, most likely.

by vancitydan on Feb 6, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

i just would have thought cricket bats since its the most popular sport there, and seem like they could do more damage then hockey sticks.

by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2011 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I was gonna say

I live in Texas and I feel like Indiana Jones looking for the Crystal Idol when trying to but anything hockey, how the hell are they getting sticks in Bangladesh.

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean, have they seen how easily they break?

But, well, if vancitydan is right, I guess they still make those out of wood…

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 1:05 AM CST up reply actions  

So they use them as torches?

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

THIS

cracked me up. Late night on SCH lives!!!

Kessel, get your foot off the boat!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2011 1:47 AM CST up reply actions  

shhhhh

we’ll get in trouble if the parents find out

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 1:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Its like we are so off topic

we are listening to punk rock.

Call in the next deaf end ant!

by hairhelmet on Feb 6, 2011 2:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm there too

I’ve got The Clash on my headphones – now I wish I was out bar-hopping.

Kessel, get your foot off the boat!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2011 2:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Kessel just listened to your sig. ;)

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

And just to repeat some of the same complaints...

It’s all Huet’s fault.

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by Preacher000 on Feb 6, 2011 12:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I know you are just kidding, but this just summed up my response

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

haha

and I just started watching this show!

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 1:01 AM CST up reply actions  

IMO

The only good thing about this show is Sheldon…I find everyone else unfunny (except for the 60s-looking guy, sometimes)

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by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

it's a great show

this season is getting better every week

by heyrocky on Feb 6, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree too

I think what’s happening is there’s a lot of new people here (like myself, who’s relatively new) and they’re freaking out.
Are we screwed? No. Will it be easy? No, but it can be done. We just went toe-to-toe with the best team in the NHL (standings wise), and if not for some calls, we would have won. It’s not Turco’s fault, or Toews, Hossa, etc.
There’s no more need for finger pointing. This is a team game, and these guys have proven, and this year too, that they can bang with the best. I just worry that last night will deflate them, but they’re pros. Heartbreak and frustration happens. They have proven that they can get over it and play.
I’ve wanted to pull out my hair numbers of times this season. But like Preacher said below me, we have players who have big name awards. They know what crunch time means. I have faith that Capt., the Stache, and everyone donning our beloved Indian Head this year can do this.
Sorry for the rant. Just wanted to give my support.

by zortaf on Feb 6, 2011 1:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree.

While there are some personnel on the ice that I don’t agree with, they played a great game against the Nucks. Probably one of the best I have seen them play this season.
Hopefully they can bring that intensity Monday night against the league’s hottest team.
A win in Calgary combined with the way they played Friday night could go a long way in turning things up a great deal, at just the right time

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by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

After 52 games last year

The guys had 165 goals. So we’re 2 goals off that pace. They had only given up 116, though, compared to 147 this year.

by Flavius on Feb 6, 2011 1:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Whoops

2 goals AHEAD in goals scored

by Flavius on Feb 6, 2011 1:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Great stats

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

for helping make my point even more clearly and even more concisely.

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the point I've been trying to make all season...

core guys are down (partly thanks to injuries):

Seabrook  +17
Sharp      +8
Toews      +3
Hossa      -5
Keith     -23
Kane      -27
--
Total     -27

Secondary Guys:

Kop      +28
Bolland  +11
Brouwer   +7
Hammer    -8
Campbell -10
--
Total    +27

Replacements are -1 point off the pace for the guys we lost.

These numbers tell me a few stories: 1) we’ve had more injuries to our top players this season 2) Keith is overworked (or regressing as a player) 3) Other teams have been effective in shutting down our top line(s).

by aeroplane on Feb 6, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a question.

And I will show my numbers not-give-a-crapitude. How consistent game to game the goals we score seem more important, than total. Great, we are top 5 in goals. But, how many games are >5 or <=1? Just seems if you consistently score 4 or 5 goals you win more. If you are erratic in scoring. Well, get your April tee times reserved now.

by neverhome30728 on Feb 6, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I tried looking at this earlier actually

but maybe standard deviation isn’t the right way to look at goal totals — it wasn’t significantly higher this year over last year (I didn’t compare against other teams though). The thing is, we’re scoring a lot in a lot of our losses too.

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

This kind of goes back to the little exchange I had with one of the NM guys

I think it was Semi? Just looking at the goals themselves across all games doesn’t work because some goals are worth more than others. As in there should be a way to “weight” garbage-time goals more than others (say, an empty-netter when you’re already up 2). But someone would have to come up with a systematic way to do this.

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

didn't someone do that last year at THN?

first goal of the game, goals that tied/put the team ahead and gwg?

I remember Kaner ranked pretty highly on that list.

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by shinkicker on Feb 6, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

the one by nemo was it?

by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

we were shutout by Lu

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by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

it was 1 of those 2 shutouts.

Kessel, get your foot off the boat!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm gonna go with

the 3-0 loss to vancouver, on accounta it not being imaginary.

we are the people our parents warned us about

by cliffkoroll on Feb 6, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I

Totally agree with you….the scoring has been just fine, team D has been awful…well not awful, more shaky than anything, you just donno when they are gonna play a good game defensively like they did against Detroit, and when they are gonna crap the bag like they have done several times this season…there is still time, just wondering if a trade is gonna go down,and if it is, who is getting shipped out.

by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Feb 6, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Even though the "core" may not be rocking like they were last year in goals scored

They are doing a good thing for this team. They are making the other team choose its poison, but they best line against our top 2 lines, and leave their lesser lines against our more potent secondary scoring lines, OR try to shut down down our secondary scorers, but leave the likes of Toews, Kane, Sharp an Hossa against the lines they will rip to shreds.

I think the decent depth is showing through again, granted it is not like last season, but the results I can’t complain with. The short end this year though is the Defense. But offensively, the Hawks make you decide how they will Fuck you, and act accordingly.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 6, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I have agreement.

It’s not even the letting in of goals … it’s the panic, wasted passes, and inability to gain and keep control of the puck on the back end (our “rushes” north often begin with a practically blind slapshot up the boards). Also, it’s the even more mysterious, poor positioning by forwards on the back check. We seem so much more confused in our own end this year—everyone, except maybe Campbell.

It just seems that we’ve taken a step back in both of these areas. A lot of the time these are either instinctual things or systemic things, and you can’t just work them out of your game with video. Things like this, I think, take an entire season to figure out, more sometimes.

Last, I agree with the game wrap … if we can keep the Vancouver effort as our constant, even with mistakes we should be in the post-season.

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by ChicoMaki on Feb 6, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

"Is there anything positive anyone would like to say about this team?"

Our #1 goalie is near the top statistically, our powerplay is near the top statistically, our goals-for is near the top statistically, and our position in the Western Conference is a mere 5 points away from hosting the first round of the playoffs. Oh yeah—we also have the current Conn Smythe and Norris Trophy winners on our team, so we know our leaders know how to play when the pressure’s on.

So there you go. There’s actually a lot we have going for us. (Can everyone relax a bit now? Step back from the ledge? And root against the Packers?)

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by Preacher000 on Feb 6, 2011 12:19 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I know you meant to reply to me

I thank you. This is exactly what I mean. Look at these stats. It could be so much worse. We are not the bottom of the barrel. We have some problems, but it’s not like the team is uncapable of winning. I know I’m the resident optimist, but I am also a realist and I am not to the point where I have given up.

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I was replying to you, and I should have added a thank you.

It’s hard to see what a good team we still have when it seemed like last year they were so much better in so many areas. But that’s a bit of a faulty memory—didn’t we all just about worry ourselves into ulcers over last year’s team too?

I don’t think you’re being optimistic—just realistic. Thanks for getting me to look on the bright side again. Go Hawks! (And Steelers!)

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by Preacher000 on Feb 6, 2011 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Theme song for tomorrow

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, big ben be raping everyone up in here.

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on Feb 6, 2011 1:45 AM CST reply actions  

Hossa is a non-factor

When Hossa is on his game, he is an elite player within the NHL. But so far the 64 million investment has been a huge disappointment this season. Hawks need Hossa to be a 40 goal, 90 point pace player. He’s been nothing remotely like that this season.

You want accountability? Look at Hossa. He’s been an outright bust this season. The injuries cannot be the excuse. In fact, his durability needs to vastly improve.

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by BLou on Feb 6, 2011 2:59 AM CST reply actions  

a

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by burpchelischili on Feb 6, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

wow, you are so right

its not our penalty kill, inconsistency at the blue line, inability to generate sustained offensive zone pressure, Q’s ridiculous decisions (like going empty net with 2:30 left in the third and 1:00 left on the PP), it’s Marian Hossa.

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by BigCSouthside on Feb 6, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay, so maybe it's unfair to blame Hossa entirely...

it’s just as bad though to consistently give him a free pass for his below average production. He was brought over here to put points on the board and for whatever reason he’s not doing it.

He’s being paid to be a game breaker. Guys like him are supposed to step up when the other parts of the tream’s game are below average. So far, he’s done nothing more than blend into the mediocrity.

by bluekoolaide on Feb 6, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

He has been below average

so has Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, even Sharp with his -10. Shit the best player on our team this year might be Brian Campbell. BRIAN FUCKING CAMPBELL.

My biggest issue is that the core players have not played like people that an entire team is built around. ALL of them have been playing like they are supposed to be role players.

ALL of them need to step up and fucking play like they are star players, and Toews may need to drag this team by its short curlys into the playoffs

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by BigCSouthside on Feb 6, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

and the player i am most frustrated with is Duncan Keith

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by BigCSouthside on Feb 6, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Disagree on Toews and Seabrook...

…who have been pretty solid all season.

As for the others…Kane is, unfortunately, looking like a 22 year old multi-millionaire who just won a Cup. He can be a game breaker but he also has stretches where he seems pretty disinterested.

Sharp has fallen in love with scoring goals and doesn’t seem very interested in helping out in his own end.

Keith? i don’t know what to tell you. My theory is that he’s been pressing on offense all season long and so the rest of his game has suffered. Last season’s 69 points might be an outlier. Ultimately he’d probably a 45-50 point guy which is fine with me as long as he elevates his plus/minus to its former levels.

by bluekoolaide on Feb 6, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Kane has had a rough stretch thanks to injuries, but early on, he didn’t look so hot.

Keith needs a break. His body hasn’t handled the increased TOI very well. Opposing teams are challening him more in the offensive zone as well.

by aeroplane on Feb 6, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

PLEASE say it is not True!

NBC has doucheified VERSUS!

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 6, 2011 7:15 AM CST reply actions  

The comments are hilarious!

especially Jonny Appleseeds’ comment.

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by burpchelischili on Feb 6, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I was just reading this

seriously, Pierre McGuire is like that guy at the office who is so incompetent that he forgets to unzip his pants when he takes a piss, yet still get promoted with little to no explanation. I just dont get it, puck heads dont even like him, why expand his exposure?

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by BigCSouthside on Feb 6, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, it is an NBC decision!

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 6, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

It's (kind of) official

Forsberg to sign with Avs

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by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 11:51 AM CST reply actions  

How did the beans get above the frank?

Hossa will end the season at about a PPG like every other year. Quietly but it will happen. Sucks that he disappears but may as well get used to it now… It wont end any time soon.

Killing a penalty and not shitting the bed in the last 20 minutes would be neat.

On a totally unrelated subject Elmore James made some pretty boss music.

by TurdFurgeson on Feb 6, 2011 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

You know

Players like Toews and Hossa do so much that never shows up on the score sheet. They are HUGE threats, the opposing team knows they are, they are complete players on both ends with mad skills. Just being on the ice makes the other team change its play, they draw the tighter coverage, they can by themselves cause a Defense to overload one side and open up passing and shooting lanes, they win the battles, they make the steals. If teams don’t give them extra pressure they WILL burn them.

Even though they may get the goal or assist, they open the ice up for others to score, this CANNOT be under appreciated. By just being out there, they give the other 3-4 players that much more room to work with. Even though Hossa is does not have the points to show it, his contributions on the ice can be seen every shift he is in the Offensive Zone. Just watch how much attention he takes when he is anywhere around the net, and look at lanes open up.

The only real bitch I have, is it is not working for the end goal (a goal) even strength nearly enough.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 6, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

The only thing I can think of

And hopefully I’ll find the time to analyze it further, is the fact that the Core will get the bulk of the ice time, so if they’re not scoring they’re getting scored upon. But I’ll believe it if or when the numbers bear that out.

What my eye test tells me is that we are far from the puck-possession team we had last year. I remember even though we often had little to show for it, we got that cycle going against inferior teams and would hold onto the puck for a good 2-3 minutes. I’ve seen that only occasionally this year, and it’s something that, when it works, does a pretty darn good job of preventing the other team from scoring.

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem with your theory

Look who is out on the ice way too much, especially during “crunch” time. Queenville is reduced to having shitbirds Skille, Stalberg, Boynton and even Dowell out there way too many important minutes. There is 5:30 left in the Vancouver game and Skille and Stalberg are out on the ice fucking around like usual.

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by BLou on Feb 6, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

No shit.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Understood

But stop with giving Hossa a free pass. He needs to be a dominant force on the ice during crunch time. He needs to be a 90 point per season scoring threat and shutdown right winger against the Sedin’s and Zetterberg’s and Nash’s of the world. He needs to do this game in and game out. Not simply make for good highlight reel material ocassionally by putting his shoulder down and driving hard to the net with zero result to show for it, other than too many times an odd man break for the opposition when the Hossa-led rush breaks down. Hossa also needs to co-exist on a line with somebody other than Tomas Kopecky. Sharp’s slump is in direct correlation to being saddled once again with Hossa.

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by BLou on Feb 6, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

a

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by burpchelischili on Feb 6, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree with what you’re saying, but at the same time those guys do need to get on the score sheet, their intangibles can’t be enough – especially with the position we are in now.

we’ll make it though, i’ve got a good feeling about the rest of the season.

by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Hossa is very culpable for this mess

Hossa has not meshed at all with Sharp. In fact, Hossa’s inability to mesh with Sharp is likely going to cost the later getting moved this upcoming offseason as Bowman is forced to deal with Salary Cap Hell, Part II. You’re not going to move Hossa, and you’re certainly not going to trade away the 1-2 face of the club in Toews and Kane. So that leaves Sharp as the one eating the shit sandwich.

I’m going to cry when Sharp is moved. But it is looking more and more like that is what happens. Fucking Marian Hossa is pissing me off on many levels. He and his enormous talent need to stand up and deliver. The pussy also needs to suck it up on the injury front. Hossa should be expected to be the horse of this team during crunch time and when things are turning cloudy. So far this season Hossa has been a clusterfuck of a mess. And he is messing with team chemistry as well because the only line mate he can seemingly co-exist with is Tomas Kopecky and nobody else.

Keith? He is playing a 1000% better the last 5 games. In fact it was Keith who kept the Hawks in the Vancouver game. Seabrook? Sorry, but I’m having a hard time understanding how a team already in salary cap purgatory can afford to shell out $6 million a season for a good but non-spectacular in any phase of the game defenseman. Especially with the money sucked into Keith and Campbell.

Kane? He’s stepping it up of late. Bolland? He’s turned it around. Ditto Brouwer. Skille, Stalberg, Boynton and Scott are a collective clusterfuck of suck.

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by BLou on Feb 6, 2011 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

Sharp won’t be moved this off-season, I don’t think. He’s one of the steals of the entire league at 3.9, so why would we move him before the contract comes due?

Also, Seabrook won’t be getting anywhere near 6 million. There are enough comparables out there imo to keep him here long-term at around 4 or 4.5.

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by ChicoMaki on Feb 6, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's the problem though

It is PAINFULLY obvious that Hossa and Sharp don’t mesh on a line. THe Hawks are not about to move (or be able to move) Hossa. The Hawks are also not going to put Sharp on the Bolland line, because that simply isn’t a role that is Sharp’s strong suit. And Sharp certainly isn’t going to get in the way of the essential pairing of Toews and Kane.

So where does that leave Sharp? That leaves Sharp probably looking from the outside in. Which makes me cry because Sharp is such a terrific and vital hockey player.

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by BLou on Feb 6, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if I agreed with you here, BLou, there would still be no incentive to move Sharp this year. Anyone that could be had as his replacement would cost a shitload more money … his contract is one of the steals of the league.

I don’t think their chemistry is lacking myself. It was one of the best 2-player combinations on a line through the first 10 games, which makes me think there’s something else at play here. Possibly injuries (and ya, if it’s a niggling little thing, i agree with you, buck up and play … but how can we possibly know if that’s the case?).

Of late Hossa hasn’t been producing, true. But Toews sucked ass everywhere but in his own end in the beginning of the season. He was good enough to work himself out of it. So’s Hossa. No one in the league is immune to bad streaks, not Crosby, not Ovechkin. We’re in the fortunate position of having a player who, when not scoring, is still one of the most valuable skaters when he’s on the ice. I’m not selling him just yet.

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by ChicoMaki on Feb 6, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Sharp and Hossa work great on a line

weren’t they, you know, awesome last year?

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Isnt Sharp also

you know, leading the team in goals scored this year? They are obviously terrible together

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by BigCSouthside on Feb 6, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

right, and Kopecky is creating all his chances on his own

with no help from Hossa and Sharp

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by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

yep, Kopgretzky needs no linemates

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by BigCSouthside on Feb 6, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He's the Chuck Norris of Slovakian forwards

The shots he whiffs on create blizzards. Now you know why winter has sucked so much.

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Tomas Kopecky Facts

1.) Kop whiffing on a shot creates blizzards
2.) Kop never falls down, he simply tries to make it fair for opposing players
3.) Kop does not lose his helmet. He knows that helmets are for pussies, and Kop is no pussy

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by BigCSouthside on Feb 6, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

More Kopecky facts:

Kop drinks coffee, even though he isn’t a closer

The big free agent signing two years ago was Kop, but Tallon didn’t want other teams to focus on his new secret weapon, so Kop told him to sign his boy Hossa as a decoy.

Wayne Gretzky asked Kopecky to teach his kids how to play hockey

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL funny

Laying all jokes aside I’ve been really happy with what we’ve gotten out of Kopecky this year.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the best thnig ever

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 7, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

The pussy also needs to suck it up on the injury front

Pretty easy for you to say this behind a computer screen, eh? And how is playing through a possibly bad knee and a probably bad shoulder not “sucking it up”? I’m not giving Hossa a free pass, but its really stupid to blame him for being injured.

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by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrong

An 82 game season is war. You play through the pain and you get your ass out on the ice. Hossa has a reputation dating all the way back to his Ottawa days of succumbing to ticky tack nagging injuries. We don’t have that option in Chicago. Not at this stage of a soon to be lost season and not when Hossa is being paid 64 million dollars to be a franchise player.

I’ve played enough frozen pond and neighborhood ice rink hockey to understand that pain quotient is something that a professional hockey player needs to live through. Hossa needs to fucking step up…yesterday.

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by BLou on Feb 6, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

are you saying he isn't on the ice?

cuz I’m pretty sure he’s been playing

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by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

He's been a near complete non-factor

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by BLou on Feb 6, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

but you are criticizing him for not playing through injuries

you can criticize him for not playing well enough (and that is warranted), but you can’t whine about him not playing through pain when he is playing. Plus, the injuries are likely having an effect on his play. So either he sits to fully recover (which you would hate, it seems), or he plays injured and is less effective (which you hate). Which do you prefer?

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

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by whiskeyboy on Feb 6, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The Keyboard Jock thing is not only here but on other blogs as well all over SBNation.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

fixed
The Keyboard Jock thing is not only here but on other blogs as well all over SBNation the internet.

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

this.

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February is the month of love; I'd love to have a hug, a kiss, a Super Bowl, and a 'Hawks winning streak.

by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

If he complains

about his “ticky tack injuries” as you call them he certainly didn’t miss much time from them. In the 9 years before coming to Chicago he averaged 77 games a year.

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That comment did not compute.

One of Hossa’s attributes pre-Hawks was his durability. I don’t remember anything about Hossa and “ticky tack injuries.”

by flahawkfan on Feb 6, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

As durable as they come until the past 2 seasons.

Look, it took Havlat 2 years to truly recover from his shoulder injury so it’s not surprising that it’s taking Hossa that long.

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February is the month of love; I'd love to have a hug, a kiss, a Super Bowl, and a 'Hawks winning streak.

by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

And I understand the "free pass" thing

In my opinion, no one should be getting one now. Loved the effort against the Nucks, they keep that up, we will be in the playoffs. They play like a bag of ass like they have sometimes, and we are watching a bunch of other teams play hockey in a few months

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by BigCSouthside on Feb 6, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry... I've been gone two weeks on mandatory training.

This team is entirely too talented. I still can’t put my finger on the problem. Before, it was the sub-par blueline play. Now that it appears Keith is back to being Teeth Norris, I’m struggling to figure it out again.

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by 10thMountainFire on Feb 6, 2011 2:43 PM CST reply actions  

bad bounces. Some weak goaltending at times. Nothing that can’t be fixed quickly.

I’m starting to think this team will wait until there’s 5 games left in the season and pour it on. Not sure they’re all on the same page, yet.

by aeroplane on Feb 6, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Last season, the negativity meme

ended at about the time Patrick Kane put the puck behind Leighton in OT of Game 6 of the Finals. So I don’t see it ending this year any time soon.

by flahawkfan on Feb 6, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

times like this

I wish the NHL had released a DVD set of the Cup Finals. It’d be like Valium.

San Francisco Giants: your 2010 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS.
Chicago Blackhawks: 2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.
best. year. ever.

by shinkicker on Feb 6, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

They have this

Hawks DVD

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

oh hey that's exactly what I want

thanks, Stacie!

Tonight I’m watching the World Series. It’s doing the trick pretty well.

San Francisco Giants: your 2010 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS.
Chicago Blackhawks: 2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.
best. year. ever.

by shinkicker on Feb 6, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I need to buy them myself

Every time I’m feeling down I just want to watch the end of Game 5 vs the Preds. Brings a little tear to the eye.

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

does it have game5 on there?

and all the SCF games? I can’t tell..

by ahnfire on Feb 6, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It listed game 5 from the Preds and 4 of the SCF games.

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

it's listed under features!

I just need to want to spend $50 on it. Wish I had realized it was out before Christmas.

San Francisco Giants: your 2010 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS.
Chicago Blackhawks: 2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.
best. year. ever.

by shinkicker on Feb 6, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I already have the SCF games on iTunes

I’d want it just for the Nashville game. Oh that glorious Nashville game. remember that game, Kaner & Hossa?

by ahnfire on Feb 6, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Good times!

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I have an HD version on my computer

if you want it we can probably work out a way to get it to you…

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the first time I wished I lived in New York

#sojealousrightnow

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Kaner and then Sopel … no … no … yes? … HOSSA!!!

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February is the month of love; I got my Super Bowl, I got my hug and kiss, time for winning steak 'Hawks.

by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Was going to say this!

I don’t need the Cup Finals, I just downloaded this one game and watch it whenever I need to cheer myself up.

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

is it weird

that I use this video to cheer myself up (in addition to game 5 highlights, or the calgary comeback game)?

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I watch this

It really makes me cry every time.

Cup DVD

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I ordered that on The Night

but I have yet to watch it. I think I’m saving it for when I’m either really depressed, or really happy.

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

When I do break it out I watch it multiple times in a row.

I'm polymerized tree sap and you're an inorganic adhesive, so whatever verbal projectile you launch in my direction is reflected off of me, returns to its original trajectory and adheres to you.

by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

no it's not weird

he almost repeated it the other night, too…

I don’t use this one as an anti-depressant but it’s definitely a funny one — somebody posted it as a FanShot last year:
sopel being sneaky
#itshouldhavebeenboynton

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That is hands down

one of the best hits I have ever seen. I had to demonstrate it on my wife………………But that’s not funny………………..OK maybe a little funny.

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Got both of them. Can’t get enough.

Now it’s time for a Super Bowl DVD.

Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.

February is the month of love; I got my Super Bowl, I got my hug and kiss, time for winning steak 'Hawks.

by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

We all need to channel our inner hawkeynite!

I think we’ll make the playoffs, although to be honest, I’m not convinced they will. Even still, I’ve seen enough years where we were in the position of sellers and not buyers at this time of year, so it’s not where I thought the ‘Hawks would be, it’s better than being Ottawa (as the NYI won last night’s game … don’t know if that’s a good thing for the Isle.)

LET’S GO HAWKS!!!

Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 NFC Champion Green Bay Packers.

February is the month of love; I'd love to have a hug, a kiss, a Super Bowl, and a 'Hawks winning streak.

by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

well put

we are the people our parents warned us about

by cliffkoroll on Feb 6, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You know what makes me a happy man?

2010 SUPER BOWL CHAMPS!!!

Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.

February is the month of love; I got my Super Bowl, I got my hug and kiss, time for winning steak 'Hawks.

by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 10:48 PM CST reply actions  

Not cool dude

Hockey blog (and a Chicago one at that)

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Couldn’t resist. ;)

Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.

February is the month of love; I got my Super Bowl, I got my hug and kiss, time for winning steak 'Hawks.

by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

All I ask of the triumvirate

is that they give a public warning here, just like McClure did to me for asking about shoveling. Play consistent, boys!

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't help myself

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 7, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

He's been officially warned

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Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure

by McClure on Feb 7, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I see my request in the OT thread will be largely ignored

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m insufferable enough, let alone being Canadian and a Packers fan.

Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.

February is the month of love; I got my Super Bowl, I got my hug and kiss, time for winning steak 'Hawks.

by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

btw, I like the idea of a "winning steak"

tastes like…victory!

(your sig)

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

loves it

I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.

by ITypedforMiles on Feb 6, 2011 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

We don't care that you're Canadian

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by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, people were probably not reading that

but yeah, let’s let hawks61 have this one pic and call it that, please (I didn’t really care who won but the last thing we want is another blog civil war):

by VerStig on Feb 6, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

That's exactly what I was thinking

Should I change my sig to ditto whatever VerStig says?

I'm polymerized tree sap and you're an inorganic adhesive, so whatever verbal projectile you launch in my direction is reflected off of me, returns to its original trajectory and adheres to you.

by stacie7 on Feb 6, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

ahnfire says:

that edzo gif should be bigger. :D

by ahnfire on Feb 6, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

TWSS?

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

yes.

this can be the new palomino.

it’s hockey related!

by ahnfire on Feb 6, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I Like it

But really, lets not play with fire shall we?

Hey, Football season is now over , the Hawks play tonight, lets do this shit all over again in June, what say you?

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 7, 2011 7:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I was just thinking that

Can we add and anti-rec button that slowly turns a post transparent so it may never be seen again?

"Fuck Pierre McGuire! He looks like a penis with a little tie on!" - My father ladies and gentlemen.

by whiskeyboy on Feb 7, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

You can use the "Flag" function

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Things have changed forever, we're the Ramblin' Boys of Pleasure

by McClure on Feb 7, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I always assumed it would open a vortex in the interwebs

and the author would be sucked into this vortex and be torn apart and sent to an alternate universe where he/she would be on a lifelong quest to find the different body parts that have been spread out amongst the cosmos. And along the journey, he/she would have to make necessary alliances and battle vicious enemies to ensure your survival and successfully completion of the challenge. Only after retrieving each part can the unfortunate party achieve access to the Portal of Riposte. There he/she will challenge the Gatekeeper in a battle of wits which will last 1,000 years….then you have to out-Hossa a healthy Marian Hossa with a true 2nd line center (/hockey’d)…

or so I heard.

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 7, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

So, like the Pepsi Challenge meets Mortal Combat then?

Cool.

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, Bishop in the 1st Church of the Luongod. Roberto Luongo has a new mask, but he’s been waiting until he loses again before he breaks it out. If the last two months are any indicator, he could be waiting some time. Botch/Province 2/5/11

by vancitydan on Feb 7, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Ther is nothing wrong

that a 5-6 game winning streak won’t cure. It starts Monday night in Calgary!!

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Feb 6, 2011 11:08 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

optimism, fuck yeah!

If you really think about it, this comment was actually hockey-related.

by LanceFister3 on Feb 6, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

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