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The Damage Done: Lightning - 3 Blackhawks - 3 (Bolts win Freestyle Rap Battle)

I'm not going to sit here and blame tonight's loss on shitty officiating (though you could certainly make that case).  The Hawks had plenty of opportunities to win this game and just about as many to completely fucking blow it.  In the end they found themselves somewhere in the middle and walked away with a single point which is nothing to scoff at this late in the season and in this close of a race.

It seems that the rest of the NHL has found the best way to beat the Hawks isn't to just let them beat themselves but to bring a strong physical game early and often and the Bolts weren't scared to do everything they could to try intimidate the Hawks.  Unfortunately, one of those early physical hits took Dave Bolland out of the game early on a gutless hit from Pavel Kubina.  He finished out the first period but played far more like the early season Bolls rather than the player he's been of late and didn't return for the final 40.  Mattias Ohlund took the game plan to heart and was throwing out big hits on Kane and Toews any chance he got.  Last year we saw the Hawks respond to the physical game by taking advantage of the space created from players moving out of position and this year they simply haven't been able to do the same.  Even more absent from the Hawks game was a lack of response til far too late.  While the Hawks didn't lose the skill people claimed.. you could make the case they lost some of the sandpaper though and that could matter more.  More on that later though.

To open the scoring, young protegy (who just wasn't quite ready two years ago, right Barry?) Steven Stamkos picked up the puck at center ice and fought his way around the mush brained Bolland and fired a puck between him and Seabrook with a shot that Crawford would likely want another chance at.  Biscuit may have provided a screen but Craw has to have that kind of shot. 

The Hawks drew even by a play started with a John Scott rush into the Bolts zone off feeds from... wait, what?.. Scott?  Yes, John Scott brought the puck into zone on a nice play that led to Toews feeding Kane in soft ice who fired a nice wrister to tie the game.  That tie wouldn't last though.  Sharp had a chance on a breakaway that was taken away by the Bolts defenders.  Instead of trying a nearly impossible shot... he went with an even more impossible backwards pass to Kane which led to Stamkos taking the puck into the Hawks zone.  Three Hawks collapsed on him and unfortunately the puck got caught in Toews' skates and was kicked directly to St. Louis who scored his first annoying goal with just 16 seconds left in the first.

Early in the first the 'Ning got another break as a shot was deflected right onto Purcell's tape and he was able to catch Crawford completely out of position and unaware.  Bad bounces, lucky breaks... either way - Bolts up two.  Luckily, the Hawks were able to get a few good bounces of their own that allowed Patrick Sharp to score his first goal since Feb. 28th.  He's tied for second in goal scoring in the league... just so you know.

In the third, Edzo informed us all about faceoffs... evidently they're fairly important.  Right after doing so, Toews won a draw and the puck moved from Seabrook to Hammer who fired a shot at net.  Toews was right there to re-direct it into the net.  Just afterwards, the Hawks took their first penalty of the game and I, officially, put on my brown pants.  The Bolts took every chance they could to put the puck on net and ended with an amazing opportunity that Keith was able to keep out of the net. 

Hammer once again factored into the game as he took a bullshit delay of game penalty late in the third.  For whatever reason, the Bolts were willing to concede a point (Thanks Eastern Conference!) and we go to overtime trading chances til the shootout... which did not go well.  Let us know get into the random thoughts...

Bullets!

  • So yeah, the Hammer penalty was utter bull.  A really tough call on a guy who simply isn't catching many breaks lately.  Though have you ever seen a guy plead his case to the authorities with more passion than he did here?  "I SWEAR TO GOD!!  SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS 18!"  
  • Bryan Bickell finally decided to throw around his weight late in the third taking out St. Louis and some other guy in the same shift.  This was a welcome sight but could have been far more useful earlier in the game when the Bolts were just devastating the Hawks smaller forwards.  The Hawks are averaging 23 hits per game this year... some how, that's up from the 19 hits they averaged last season.  If you need some proof that "hits" is a total subjective stat.. it's in here somewhere.  
  • Lets talk about shootouts... You'll find the opinions on St. Louis' goal pretty split between Hawks fans and everyone else.  Just about any Hawk fan will tell you the goal was bullshit.  Yet count it did and the extra point it did decide.  If you ever want to make the argument that the shootouts degrade the game to nothing more than a slam dunk contest... look no further than the two spin-o-rama attempts tried back-to-back by the Bolts.  I still think St. Louis' goal was a crock though.  What a joke
  • That being said, it wouldn't have hurt if Toews or Kane would have tried to lift the puck over a sprawling Rolonson. 
  • Although the ice seemed to be a lot better than it was in Miami (or Sunrise or wherever).. the Hawks seemed to have a problem keeping their edges.  Seemed like a lot of them were just falling over without any Bolt anywhere nearby. 
  • Crawford seemed shaky early on in the game but came up with some huge saves late in the game... It was a tough spot for Q though.  He probably should have rested Craw but that would have made him go almost a full week without a complete game.  He played him and it didn't work out early.  So it goes. 

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Cannot give up those early goals, but at least today they grabbed a point.

Tampa was not doing jack shit during the third, Foley or Eddie O suggested its because they go all out during the first and second and run out of steam in the third. I’m not sure but the goal differentials suggests something.

Anyways, I am feeling pretty good about a team that I had written off for dead. The way they were playing I just couldn’t see them making any kind of run. Shit can still happen, but this team showed the ability to win games and play as a unit. I don’t feel that they have done so until recently. I still find the fact that they just appear to be unable to put in a full 60 pretty disheartening. I thought they were going to pull off the win, which is a confidence I didn’t have almost all season.

All that considered, It feels so good to be so wrong.

by 815Sox on Mar 10, 2011 2:21 AM CST reply actions  

A full 60

It’s the new goalie debate.

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by HungryHungryPanda on Mar 10, 2011 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Effort was there

just played a good team who was just as determined.

by Scott13 on Mar 10, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

This is why it’s tiresome to hear the “full 60” thing again and again. Tampa Bay is a good team!

Stamkos’ goal was sick and there’s maybe only one other player in the league who scores that goal (hint: we play him next).

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by HungryHungryPanda on Mar 10, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I personally feel that the last 2 games can be pinned on Crawford

(I know, blasphemy) Regardless as to whether or not he needed a rest, he was awful against Florida and started out nearly as bad against TB. He did pick it up after the 3rd goal, but again the damage was done. Just feel a spade needs to be called a spade.

I’m not concerned that this will be an issue going forward, but if he makes a few of those saves that he should have, then we’re all whistling a different tune this morning and discussing catching Detroit.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

That's fair, but

He’s saved our asses in a number of games prior to this, so it evens out.

I hope Q plays Turco at least 2 of the remaining games. I’m looking at you Columbus and STL. There is also another at DAL game, so it will be interesting to see if they play him there.

They'll have to pry the cup out of our cold, dead hands

by hawkeytalk on Mar 10, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

He has had bad starts for sure over the last two

Should have had the Stamkos goal no doubt.

I remember this being an issue when he played in Rockford as well, he always got better as the game went on. It can be frustrating but its better this way then the opposite.

by 815Sox on Mar 10, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

That shot was sick

he’s going to have 50 goals this season. That’s not because 50 goalies should have made the save. If there weren’t places in the net a good shooter can beat a goalie they’d stop playing the game. You can’t blame the goalie for getting beat on a terrific shot by one of the game’s best shooters. These things happen.

by Scott13 on Mar 10, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually can blame Crawford on this one

Yes, the shot was really good, but it caught Crawford off guard. It is not the first time Crawford has been surprised either. I saw it happen to him all the time in the AHL when he was with Rockford and it has carried up here. I’m not the only one suggesting Crawford should have/could have had it.

http://video.blackhawks.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20102011,2,1005&event=T.B28

There it is again if you need to watch it, the shot was stoppable.

by 815Sox on Mar 13, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thing is

They did not fucking play in the third period. The puck control numbers have to be totally slanted in the Hawks direction. They couldn’t get it out of the zone.

As for them not playing a full 60, they had a bad start. It wasn’t until the mid of the 2nd that they really dominated. This isn’t aimed at anyone, but It is okay to admit this, it doesn’t make you a bad fan.

by 815Sox on Mar 10, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

All we need is 31!

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Everytime I read this I chuckle. It's brilliant

I think it actually the same reason certain players are streaky. Sometimes everything is clicking perfectly and you look great. Other times, you’re just off. The hawks are amazing in how many times they can go hot and cold in 60 minutes.

by Speed3 on Mar 10, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

As bad as the officiating was...

It was at least equally terrible. There were a few plays im not sure if you were able to see on TV that were complete and utter BULLFUCKING SHIT.. but they went both ways. There were multiple interference/holding/whatever calls that should have been made behind the plays that were not.

2nd.. The ice was fucking horrible. Corner below our seats… you would have thought it was slippery or something.

3rd… Kane needs to fucking shoot more..

4th.. I almost wet myself in that arena tonight. Some of the early hawk chants were just mind blowingly loud for being a road game. Not sure if that came across on tv or not but there were times where it was just absolutely insane.

5th.. Tracey answered my tweet about scott in warmups! Unfortunately, she was wrong when she informed me scott wasn’t in when I asked who he was in for :(

by Dranearian on Mar 10, 2011 2:52 AM CST reply actions  

You could totally hear the Hawks chants on TV

Edzo and Foley also commented on it a few times

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought the refs let a lot go

a lot of calls both ways that just weren’t whistled. Hammer got jobbed, but I’m pretty ambivalent on the whole St. Louis spin-o-rama debate. Stil, I’ll probably go burn down the city of St. Louis in protest anyway. Assholes.

by Scott13 on Mar 10, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

But then they go and call a petty crime on Kop

and ignore the obvious interference against Johnson. Looked like one of those “Let’s give the home team a chance to win type of calls.” I expect that crap from the NBA. Plus the fact that they discussed the Hammer delay of game penalty likely means that one of the officials saw it hit the glass, yet was overturned.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

THAT BITCH

WHAT A LYING BITCH

/sarcasm

by Fat Pat on Mar 10, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

St. Louis

I am uneducated in the exact rule here, but for my eye test, that was a legit goal. And a damn pretty one at that. Too bad it was against us and not something Kane invented to impress chicks with his ability to hit top cheese

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by OMFS88 on Mar 10, 2011 6:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

The puck has to be in continous motion torwards the net.

So what happens if they review it and it isn’t a good goal. Can they do that? Would they take away a point from Tampa and it becomes a tie?

by GoCubbies34 on Mar 10, 2011 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

It's in the books

If they reviewed it at the time and overturned it that would have been OK. It really doesn’t matter now because it’s a win for TB.

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by stacie7 on Mar 10, 2011 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha

So we just got to live with it and move on.

by GoCubbies34 on Mar 10, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I had serious doubts about that one

the penalty shot rule (which is what the SO is too) as I recall it required the puck to be continuously advanced to the net – no stopping, no retreating or doubling back.
A spin-o-rama move is allowed because the player/puck combo continue to move to the net (even though the puck technically comes backward a bit).
I looked to me like Martah San Lewie stopped entirely there – very sketchy

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by krome on Mar 10, 2011 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

watching it over, it was pretty much on the edge - perhaps it was on the good side of the line

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by krome on Mar 10, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

These are the kinds of debates I generally avoid

but here’s my thoughts. I thought his SO goal was all part of one motion towards his scoring effort. If I thought he had tried to score, failed, and then regrouped to try again I’d call bullshit, which seems to me to be what the rule was intended to prevent. But this was all part of the same effort, which I was fine with.

Now I know that some people will look to the letter of the law and try to make an interpretation. And while I’m not saying your wrong I think the letter of the law is violated constantly, even on attempts that aren’t spin-o-ramas. Every stick handling move involves bringing the puck backwards at some point, it’s impossible to enforce the letter of the law.

If someone wants to make a letter of the law complaint you’re probably on solid grounds. But in the end I wasn’t upset by it, and I thought it was a talented play.

by Scott13 on Mar 10, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

The 'letter of the law' does take into consideration that the puck will have some de minimus retrograde motion

… but it is to be a part of the overall player/puck combo advancing toward the net. Similarly, a player may arc to the side a fair distance while moving from center face off dot toward net while remaining within the ‘letter of the law’.

However, some of the SO moves we’re starting to see are indeed outside the letter of the law. The more I watch it, the more I see Martah San Lewie as having been right up to the edge of the line (and probably a valid goal) – his stop was rather short/de minimus before shoveling the shot.

In watching real time, it had that time going slow motion aspect that made his stop seem to last forever before shooting.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

as a goalie myself

I’m not a fan of the spin-o-rama in a shootout because of the confusion it creates with the rules. in st. louis case in particular, he comes to what i would call a full stop. but on top of that body motion stop, the overhead camera view showed the puck stop forward motion, and then travel backward before going to the backhand shot. that is the most telling thing for me about his goal, and why i was confused that toronto let it stand.

from the ice level, it doesn’t look to move backward, but from the overhead, it looks conclusive to me that there was a full stop, and then a backward motion. for some reason, movement like that is never called off.

by Raditzzzz on Mar 10, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

If a player is advancing toward the net

and pulls back the puck to shoot, the puck is typically still moving forward, just now at a slower rate. That puck came to a standstill and then St. Louis drew it back. I’m not convinced it should have counted, but it is what it is and I’m not gonna lose sleep over it. Compared to some of the other calls this season, this was minor and borderline.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

The good thing is

we don’t have to worry about this shit in the playoffs.
We just have to worry about getting in them.

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by nextgame on Mar 10, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Game is over

That goal will stand. Tampa won that game. They will take a look at it for future references.

Some kind of review happened already, before Hossa’s attempt.

by 815Sox on Mar 10, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

In the huddle to discuss Hammer's penalty:

Linesman: Hey guys, remember, he’s a goon.

Referee: That’s right, let’s teach him a lesson!

by radguy213 on Mar 10, 2011 6:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

No

didn’t get a clear view of the penalty. Probably saw the reply later and realized what happened.

Lets not get paranoid here, the refs are not “out to get the Hawks”.

by 815Sox on Mar 10, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

something smells of sarcasm

i think the button burned out.

Does Pavlov ring a bell?

by Sgarbs04 on Mar 10, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

what i like

D2K is a grown-ass man. 34:32 TOI- epic.

I do believe Toews will keep this up.

Good point to get w/out Soup and Bolland- if every game goes to OT, the Hawks should top 100 this year.

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by cliffkoroll on Mar 10, 2011 7:07 AM CST reply actions  

34:32

Keith is a great D man. However, that is too much TOI. I get it that Campbell was not playing last night, so everyone needs to play more or Scott needs to play 25 minutes (can you imagine?), but Keith will not be o his game when he plays that much. I think this season has shown that, at least from my view.

What were we talking about?

by laaarmer on Mar 10, 2011 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

The only reason he played that much

is nearly four days until next game.
If there were another game on tap in a day or two I think the others would have absorbed some of that ice time.

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by nextgame on Mar 10, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Based on how awful Colin Campbell has been this season

I’d be surprised if Kubina even gets fined.

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by AirTrafficAJ on Mar 10, 2011 7:15 AM CST reply actions  

oh..

No chance of that at all

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by Killion on Mar 10, 2011 7:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

St. Louis and "annoying goal"

He REALLY does score annoying goals, and looks incredibly annoying too. I was overcome with need-to-punch-in-the-face syndrome after they showed his shrimpy-ass smirking at his SO goal. “(munchkin-like laugh) hehehehehehe, did you see that guys!? hehehehe!”

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"They are!" - Pat Foley
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by HawkVision on Mar 10, 2011 7:34 AM CST reply actions  

Yep, he is a pud!

The shootout sucks, keep it in the minor league. I always feel for the goalie after bustin ass for 65 minutes, he still gotta stand there and get assulted more. Also, we don’t need to be reviewing shootout goals to see if they are legit. Keep the 5 minutes of old fashion sudden death and call it a game.

just sayin!

I'm just curious. I saw you shuffling your chips with your right hand. Can you do that with both hands?

by thepuckstopshere31 on Mar 10, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

He he he

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by stacie7 on Mar 10, 2011 7:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Love it

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by Semi_Colon on Mar 10, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

How do you have time to make all the funny?

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by whiskeyboy on Mar 10, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Hot tub time machine

Actually, it’s more of a jacuzzi.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Epic goodness

Is that anyone in particular giving TomoKop’s ass a snow shower?

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by nextgame on Mar 10, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Some famous Ice Capades guy from the 50's

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Off topic- anyone going to D.C.?

Any Hawk fans going to D.C. this weekend? My buddy and I are flying in tonight & going to try and get a glimpse of the guys at the White House. Looking to do some damage to D.C. this weekend!

by remhed on Mar 10, 2011 8:11 AM CST reply actions  

Tired of the physical beatings

This kind of crap has got to stop, because if it doesn’t expect much more of the same from here on out into the playoffs. First they line up Kane, then Tazer, then Bolly – with no reaction from the good guys. Nice to see Bicks finally use his size to advantage, but why so late in the action, and why is it only one guy to initiate contact? Championship teams cannot allow this kind of indiscretion to their stars continue night after night – either make them pay at the offensive end or put their asses into the seats.

by Waylon on Mar 10, 2011 8:20 AM CST reply actions  

Hmm
Looking to do some damage to D.C. this weekend!

Try not to say that in the airport, on the plane, or pretty much anywhere you are while in DC.

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by HungryHungryPanda on Mar 10, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Whoops

Reply fail to remhed above.

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by HungryHungryPanda on Mar 10, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Kane hit Ohlund in the second.

It was pretty hilarious, I know he’s rubbed people off along the boards before this season… wait that should read “bumped people slightly”, but this is the first time I’ve seen him consciously go out of his way to hit someone since the Flyers series in the playoffs last year. There was really no effect to it, but it gave me a good smile considering it looked like a little kid pushing an adult.

I agree, what the hell? It’s all the more frustrating because our forwards getting hit are so fast and capable of taking advantage of a defense that uniformly looks like they are skating in molasses. Where the hell is the response from our D?

And Campoli needs to work on his strength with the puck- seriously. The guy got gradually / slowly pushed down near his own blue line. It’s a dangerous place for that to happen and it just looks bad (if you remember the same thing used to routinely happen to Kaner when he would make his way back to the points and the opposing team got frustrated of chasing him around their zone the last two seasons).

by dangles we can believe in on Mar 10, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

There are players who could step up

Brower is a physical presence, and he rarely takes stupid penalties, and even Stahlberg could move a few bodies if he wished, not to mention Seabrook – I’m just asking for some kind of response, not some goon – it – up nonsense. I just remember the days when if an opposing player made a run at Savvy, hell would rain upon his head shortly thereafter. Problem solved.

by Waylon on Mar 10, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

The players just need to respect each other more

Be respectful to those you meet but have a plan to kill everyone

by Johnny Lava on Mar 10, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

They respect each other now more than ever.

There have been some blatant exceptions but the bottom line is, since the lockout, there has been a greater focus in the NHL on simply playing the game of hockey above all else and putting guys on your team that can actually do so.

I was actually thinking about this earlier in the week. Take a look at big hit highlights from any season previous the lockout. Specifically the 01-02 season- youtube Steve Webb. All he did was run people, he was an absolutely worthless hockey player otherwise. There are a ton of jarring, effed up hits, a lot of them now classified as illegal (lots of head hits and leaving the ice in delivery) but the bottom line is there just were a LOT more players in the league who had the sole job of taking runs at people. The hits were terrible. I wouldn’t be surprised if virtually every player who played during that time period doesn’t have an impending brain disorder stemming from all the concussions people received and played with. The hits were also different- full speed hitter and moderate or immobile victim usually unaware of the hitter- and the impact was absolutely jarring, the hitter usually trucked the victim like they were running into a brick wall, except the brick wall dropped straight down.

Now hits (usually) are done in the context of play and victims are aware of their hitters. How is this possible? Firstly, there are a lot more, and better, hockey players in the league than there have been in decades. Secondly, A LOT of the time the hitter lets the victim know he’s coming by yelling a heads up warning beforehand when he sees the victim might be vulnerable or unaware. Doesn’t this go against the spirit of competition and rivalry? Not when you consider the fact that the hitter knows he will be in the same position sooner rather than later and expects the same treatment.

by dangles we can believe in on Mar 10, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I think that's a weak argument

If fighting inhibits “cheap shots” why doesn’t every other team sport allow it?

Dangles – Just because there is less big hits now than before the lockout does not mean there still isn’t too many. Look at the play last night. The Bolts were aggressively going after Hawks players to slow them down. How? By “playing a physical game” whose actual intent is to injure them. I know the Bolts didn’t want to seriously hurt them but hurt them just enough to slow them down.

I know hockey is and should remain a physical game. But at some point the rules and how the game is taught needs to adjust otherwise the NHL’s promotion will be “Come See Our Stars…. While You Can”

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by Johnny Lava on Mar 10, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I should have been more clear that I was being sarcastic....

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by HjammerTime on Mar 10, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

sorry

forgot to take my “Take everything way to seriously” glasses off

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by Johnny Lava on Mar 10, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually don't have trouble with hard "clean" hits (the 'knock the wind out' sorts of things)

It is a physical game, and the rules are structured in such a way that legal, clean, legitimate hits do pose some risk of injury.

I don’t have an issue with ramping up the physicial play – in a legal/clean fashion – if that stategy offers an increased opportunity to win.

I would target “soft” opponents as a player (for additional rough, but not dirty, contact), and don’t feel any guilt about it. There are some players who tend to disappear after getting some rough treatment, and I think that is acceptable to exploit cleanly.

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It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on a lot of that

it’s the

in a legal/clean fashion
that is hard to judge. I feel like Justice Potter Stewart: “I know it when I see it”

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by Johnny Lava on Mar 10, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Alas, I'm in much the same boat on that one

and as one who was good at concealing ill will and bad motive, I particularly understand the problem as one gets close to the line.

Unfortunately, the NHL seems to do a poor job of getting at eventhe egregious violations.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Old Time Hockey Eh

I feel they should have gone after Stamkos or Lecavalier. Had Bickell/Dowell/T-Brow hit them at every possible moment. Nothing crazy but something different.

Who the fuck takes out their frustration on the teams 4th line players.

Or you do something crazy (not Havlat stomp crazy but maybe a hard, obvious smack with the stick across the arm or hand would send an interesting message) then call out the NHL and their faliure to police the league and say this is the result when you don’t let the players handle their own affairs in the press conference after and fun times for everyone.

by TurdFurgeson on Mar 10, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't sanction 'dirty' hits to the other teams stars as retaliation

but going the extra efort route to deliver good, clean, hard hits to the oter team’s key guys is a legitimate, even laudible, response in my view.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Yea thats what I mean

mostly…

The second part is more if an irritated facetious response but I think someone could snap sometime in the near future and that would be the result and it would be stupid but definitely entertaining as long as no one gets maimed.

by TurdFurgeson on Mar 10, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Saw that Kane "hit"

and got a good chuckle myself. I have a feeling Ohlund did too.

I AM NOT NEUROTIC! I'm just worried that I might be.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Kubina

Needs a few days off after the blatant head shot elbow. And seriously how is that last fucking shootout goal allowed. Hmmm St. Louis, French Canadian….Toronto war room….. It’s a conspiracy.! (err no)

by SLAZZ on Mar 10, 2011 8:28 AM CST reply actions  

Killion-

About the shootout attempts for Kane & Toews- they were nice moves but they definitely got in WAY too close on them- not sure how much hockey you’ve played but no player on the face of the earth can raise a puck over a leg pad from that close in unless they have a crazy loft on their blade pattern (like a 9 iron) to chip it in, it is physically impossible due to the trajectory the puck would have to take. They both came in way too fast for what they were trying to do, the hands couldn’t move as fast as the head was thinking. Basically their best bet was to slow down and fire a shot after their first move and let Rolly beat himself. The positives we can take away from the failed attempts- both Kane & Toews used moves we haven’t seen in a LONG time and that will keep goalies honest going forward.

I also think the book is out on Marian Hossa breakaways and shootouts- in those situations, have you ever NOT seen him attempt that five-hole shot in a Hawks uniform? I honestly cannot remember the guy deking while wearing our sweater.

by dangles we can believe in on Mar 10, 2011 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

better than

sending sharp out there to fail? or just a change of scenery with the same result…

by Raditzzzz on Mar 10, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Hossa still has my favorite shootout goal of all time....against us unfortunately.

Sharp has been a failure in the shootouts and Im glad they are giving Hossa a chance. Ill bet Frolik is pretty good at thise things too.

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by HjammerTime on Mar 10, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

You talking about that slapper he ripped from in close?

Sharp is a bizarre case- the guy scores pretty clutch goals on breakaways but always seems to either miss the net or do exactly what Toews and Kane did the other night by going too fast and getting too close when he dekes.

Also would like to see what Frolik has got, the guy has some hands on him.

by dangles we can believe in on Mar 10, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Bolland is also good on breakaways in games - but hasn't seemed to translate out to SO scoring

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

ive played a ton of hockey..

Its just mostly been on sega genesis. Too bad the behind the net/across the crease move isn’t allowed… works every time

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by Killion on Mar 10, 2011 11:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Pot Calls Kettle Black, Joins NAACP

(National Association for the Advancement of Colored Pots)

Anyone remember this spin-o-rama?

http://crownedroyal.com/2010/12/11/linus-omark-disrespected-the-honor-of-the-shootout/

And St. Louis’ and other TB players’ criticisms of the move?

"It’s kind of a slap in the face a little bit. Maybe it’s a little too much" said Martin St. Louis via TSN.
Asked if it was disrespectful, defenseman Mattias Ohlund said, "Absolutely."
Steven Stamkos, who said he "didn’t think it showed a lot of respect."
"It’s embarrassing for him," Ellis said. "You come into a league, a respectful league like this, and you try a little move like that. It’s not a very classy thing. That’s just the kind of person he is."

I guess the point is it’s ok for veterans, but not for rookies.

The biggest kick I get out of this is that the move “disrespects the time-honored tradition of the shootout.” Wha??

I AM NOT NEUROTIC! I'm just worried that I might be.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 9:39 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I thought that was hilarious too.

Especially when you consider St. Louis was the first player to move in on the goalie BACKWARDS and then spin when his ass was almost directly touching the goalie’s face to roof a forehand wrister top cheese in the shootout. That is WAY more disrespectful than anything Omark has done.

by dangles we can believe in on Mar 10, 2011 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow

nice find.

Funny how its bad when done against you but great when you do it yourself.

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by Roos-34 on Mar 10, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

LOLZ

I AM NOT NEUROTIC! I'm just worried that I might be.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 10, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha

Not to mention the HTML line, and Mike Richards. Hell, everyone’s top lines.

They'll have to pry the cup out of our cold, dead hands

by hawkeytalk on Mar 10, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Who's HTML?

I have to image Joe Thornton enjoyed that highlight as well.

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by HjammerTime on Mar 10, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Not actually sure

if these guys are still playing together, just has a nice ring to it.

They'll have to pry the cup out of our cold, dead hands

by hawkeytalk on Mar 10, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Remember last weekend when looking at the standings was enough to bring a smile to your face?

Today it makes my stomach turn…..

Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil

by HjammerTime on Mar 10, 2011 10:07 AM CST reply actions  

And we sit

and watch the scoreboard until Sunday. Just remember — GAMES IN HAND = GOOD.

They'll have to pry the cup out of our cold, dead hands

by hawkeytalk on Mar 10, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Games in hand are good....but we finish the season with Wings back to back and my cynical outlook leads me to believe if they count we are fucked.

So while he have two games in hand on a few of those guys it gives me little comfort.

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by HjammerTime on Mar 10, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

It's gonna be interesting the sorts of conversations that transpire in the next few days

After a few wins it’s all candy and rainbows, after a few tough losses it’s doom and gloom and everyone’s pissy. I wonder if that pattern stays the same here.

Does Pavlov ring a bell?

by Sgarbs04 on Mar 10, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, it will

so take a break. Go outside. Get drunk. Lie to women. Let’s do something productive with this time off.

by Scott13 on Mar 10, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Chicago Sports Fans

there is no middle. You are either higher than a Charlie Sheen in a Cocaine factory, or you are 5 seconds away from giving yourself the ole Sylvia Plath treatment in the oven.

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by BigCSouthside on Mar 10, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Everywhere?

Definitely true about Chicago sports fans but aren’t most places like this?

by Speed3 on Mar 10, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

nope

Arizona doesn’t really care about their professional sports

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by Johnny Lava on Mar 10, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

recd

for cultural range

We like our people!

by cliffkoroll on Mar 10, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

didn't plath walk out int othe ocean and drown?

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

ah, right, Virginia Wolff walked into the ocean

I was mixing my suicidal authoresses

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Hope Soupy isn't going to be out long

since we know how that movie goes.

Hawks’ record for 2009-2010 (regular season and playoffs combined):
With Campbell: 59-19-8
Without him: 9-9-3

For 2010-2011 thus far:
With Campbell: 30-18-6
Without him: 7-6-1

by Paul the Fossil on Mar 10, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

A couple of things:

I’ve decided that our beloved Captain needs to hit the weight room in the off-season for a bit more upper-body bulk. As noted, guys are really starting to target him. And as strong as he may be, a little more up top might help.

I have no problem with the spin-o-rama shootout moves. And agree wholeheartedly that our own guys need to get a bit more creative on their attempts, with at least a little elevation. I don’t know they need all the bells and whistles of a MSL, but some variation (I’m talking to YOU, Patrick Kane) might help.

Finally, with Scum’s loss, we’re only 5 points behind them and the ability to make our own destiny. At least we’re done with the slushcapades (until late April at the UC, I guess).

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by 334Rules on Mar 10, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

Scum has a game in hand

so Hawks are potentialy 7 points back

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by Johnny Lava on Mar 10, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a bad observation

Not that he isn’t strong on the puck already, but can you imagine how much of a beast he’d be if he was as big as Dat Horsa Guy?

by VerStig on Mar 10, 2011 2:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I saw Tampa play the Rangers a year or two ago in Tampa

Hot women everywhere, beautiful outside. Ton’s of annoying New York assholes… the hockey game was a side show.

Amazing what a Stevie Y can do for your team. They looked pretty legit for all but one period.

by 815Sox on Mar 10, 2011 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

the franchise certainly looks headed toward a good place (level of play-wise)

New GM and new coach are to be commended

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The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

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