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Cap Discussion for 2011 and On

Since most of us understand math and the intricacies of the cap better than Barry Rozner could ever dream of, a discussion/post dedicated to kicking the tires on the Blackhawks cap situation is in order. I'll try to edit this often in an effort to include any useful, intriguing or noteworthy points or thoughts that come up. The idea is that this can serve as somewhat of a guide for what we can expect with the issues Stanley JMcD will be facing this summer, and hopefully all the related discussions that bog down game threads or link posts can be posted here.

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I'll start the discussion...

- Troy Brouwer is due for a sizable raise this offseason. There's two main questions here; a) should the 'Hawks resign him, and b) what's his market price? Assuming Brouw ends the season with something near 50 pts and logs around 275 hits (which he's on pace to do), he's statistically comparable to other wingers Ryan Callahan, Tuomo Ruutu and to some degree Dallas twat monster Steve Ott. Looking at the contracts and ages of those three respectively, Callahan is 25 with a current $2.3 million cap hit (but he's going to free agency too), Ruutu is 28 and will be entering the last year of his contract with a $3.8 million hit, and the 28 year old Ott is signed through '14 accounting for a $2.95 million hit. Looking at the 25 year old Brouwer, you've got to think he's in line for at least a doubling of his current $1.025 million hit. The fact that Brouwer continues to improve his game as power forward and a top 6 kind of guy makes it both likely and not absurd at all that he and his agent could ask for something around $3 million. Do the Blackhawks have to coin to lock him up, and will signing Brouw mean letting go of other pieces? Is there a possibility that North America will see it's first ever Lowen-Brouw special, and #22 would be willing to come back at a discounted price to keep playing on West Madison? The only certainty is that Brouwer's contract is gonna be huge talking piece this summer.

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With only a whisper over $10 bucks in cap space opening up next offseason...

Overpaying for anyone is not really an option, and even though I like Troy Brouwer, I’m not willing to have Stan Bowman pull a repeat of the Tallon-Versteeg situation and just launch 3+ million against the cap at Brouwer. Especially since, admittedly, Brouwer is eminently replaceable – Perhaps even by someone within our system, like Kyle Beach.

There are options. The arrival of Campoli whom I doubt Bowman acquired simply as a rental and the fact that Leddy willl not be going anywhere, makes Niklas Hjalmarsson far more replaceable than he was when we signed him this summer. Finding a suitor for Hjalmarsson could give the Blackhawks more cap flexibility.

Even then though, there are a number of RFAs who also need to be signed this summer, including a couple who I think are higher priority than brouwer. First among them, Crow. I think Crow is the blackhawks top priority to get resigned. Now, SCUM might’ve unwittingly done us a favor, paying out a modest 2 and quarter million dollar raise to Jimmy Howard, and my guess is that Crow’s agent will be looking for Jimmy Howard money. After that we have Brouwer, Frolik, and Campoli, all of whom have comparable contracts, and only 2 out of the 3, in my estimation will still be in a Blackhawks sweater next season.

My gut tells me that Campoli will be resigned, especially if the hawks plan on shopping Hjalmarsson. I can’t really say who gets the extension between Frolik and Brouwer: Although Parting ways with Skille, who took a major paycut, in order to grab Frolik suggests to me that there is an institutional interest in our front office to keep Frolik long term.

Ultimately i think, with all of our RFA’s for this season, who does and does not get resigned will rest on who the front office thinks they can replace. I assume that there is little interest in stashing Morin and Beach (especially Morin) in the AHL for another season. TomoKops undoubtedly imminent departure at the end of the season frees up space to call up one of these players, and I am left to wonder if the Blackhawks won’t opt to let Brouwer go and use his cap space on a player like Beach.

Wait? You mean, you're sure Matt Cooke has a soul?

by Detroit Must Die on Mar 6, 2011 2:17 PM CST reply actions  

a whisper over 10 million bucks that is.

Wait? You mean, you're sure Matt Cooke has a soul?

by Detroit Must Die on Mar 6, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry with all the addendums but I typed faster than i thought (probably not a good sign)

I won’t be surprised if at the conclusion of the season Bowman shops Brouwer around the hot stove a little bit, maybe even looking for another early-mid round pick. My gut tells me that Stan is more worried about extending Crow, Campoli, and Frolik than he is about keeping Brouwer on board.

Wait? You mean, you're sure Matt Cooke has a soul?

by Detroit Must Die on Mar 6, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

If most guys are resigned at similar (or CBA QO) levels & Crawford & Brouwer get reasonable/modest raises

along with signing a goalie at about Turco’s $1.3 (if not Turco, someone else) – we’d be about $600k over this year’s Cap figure (recalling that we get the $4.1 million bonus penalty back for use next year).

If the Cap does move up by $2 or so, then we’ll likely be OK.
But, yes, there will have to be some tough negotiating and perhaps some tough decisions. But we’ll be OK, I think.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 7, 2011 9:17 AM CST reply actions  

There was, however, the issue of adding another centerman

which went unaddressed at the trade deadline, and will probably re-emerge during the post season.

Such an acquisition would certainly involve some roster shuffling, however, I think Bowman would at least weigh his options if he had a good chance of landing a legit 2nd/3rd line center. Said shuffling may include Brouwer, whom, I think is our most tradeable quantity amongst the forwards with his large frame.

Wait? You mean, you're sure Matt Cooke has a soul?

by Detroit Must Die on Mar 7, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough - my main point is that we aren't looking at a Capocalypse like last year

some challenges – like any team dryhumping against the Cap ceiling – but nothing too catastrophic.

Moves with current assets to adress current weaknesses? Of course, that is always a possibility.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 7, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Just spitballing here

as I am not really as cap savvy as some others on this site and some of my info may be incorrect (I’m sure it will be pointed out if it is), but what the hell, I’ll give it a shot.

OK, the Hawks have Kane, Toews, Sharp, Bolland, Hossa, Bickell, Soupy, Keith, Seabs, Hammer, Leddy, & Scott signed for $49,302,170

Of those I think should be resigned we have, Craw, Frolik, Brouwer, Dowell, Campoli, & Salak.

The current cap is at 59.4, and from what I have read is expected to go up as much as 3.5 – 3.75. Just to be conservative I will use 3 mil and the cap will be 62.4

Again, this is just my opinion on these numbers, but
Craw 2,500,00 and that is kind of generous, I really think he should get 2
Frolik 1,275,00 he stays where he is at to see what he is worth in the long run
Brouwer 2,500,00 I think he has earned that as he has had a great year thus far
Dowell 750,000 He has proven a good 3rd line center
Campoli 1,500,000 Not really sure if this would fly, but who knows (a raise is a raise)
Salak 1,500,000 Don’t really agree with this but he is already making 1,300,000 so
                               where does he go from there?

For all of that the Hawks would be at 59,327,170 which would leave them a little over 3 mil to sign another 4th line winger & center & maybe an extra D man.

Like I said, I’m not as cap savvy as most people on this site, but I felt like giving it a go. Let the criticizing begin. Oh yeah…….. GO HAWKS!

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Mar 7, 2011 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

You're in the general ball park of where I was at on an intial light run through

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 7, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree, to an extent...

Although 2.5 for Crow is overpaying, if only by 250,000 dollars (every buck counts when your up against the cap though). At the most, Crawford should get Jimmy Howard money (2.25 per), at most.

No way Frolik doesn’t get a raise. He scores more than Brouwer, he already has the contract of being a first round draft pick, plus comprable number’s guys (Like Versteeg) make a lot more. I think 2 mil is the floor on a new deal for Frolik.

I’m about as lost on the Campoli deal as everyone else. My guess err’s somewhere close to two million

There HAS to be a cheaper back up goalkeeper option than Salak. Toivonen is an RFA but he only makes 550,000. My guess is he could be resigned for 1 mil or less.

Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.

by Detroit Must Die on Mar 8, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Error

Toivonen is an UFA. Still.

Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.

by Detroit Must Die on Mar 8, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

If Toivenen is the answer, then you need to seriously revise the question

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends greatly on what Brouwer wants

but I think if the Blackhawks can find a suitor for Hjalmarsson, and sing the RFA’s find a cheap back up goaltender, then their might be enough left over to go out and find another 2nd line forward. I recall reading that the Hawks were sniffing around the Jamie Langenbrunner market before he ended up back in Dallas. Lagenbrunner will be an UFA, and he has the flexibility to play all over the top 6, and his current deal is worth only 2.8 so he could be affordable, even for the hawks. I suspect there could be some interest come the off season

Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.

by Detroit Must Die on Mar 8, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Fro scoreED more than Brouwer.

This season is probably just a fluke for Fro, but he needs to prove that he can get back to the numbers he put up in his first 2 years.

Sure he gets a raise this year, but his performance does have to be taken into consideration. If he likes it in Chicago, give him a 1 year deal to prove his worth at 1.5 – 1.75 and see what happens

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Mar 9, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

*Sign

Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.

by Detroit Must Die on Mar 8, 2011 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

The only thing that I am sure of,

is that Frolik needs to be signed to a deal. How in the hell Tallon trades him for Skille is still a headscratcher to me, but I think with a little time to learn the system and get comfortable with the players around, Frolik could be a dominating player on this team.

I’m not sure what anyone else thinks, but at some point I would kind of like to see Frolik on the 2nd line with Bolland & Hossa (not right now, but somewhere down the road) just to see how it goes for a while.

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Mar 9, 2011 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

Well,

Frolik needs to come back. I’m sold on him. I’m also sold on Campoli…. and Hendry. And leddy. With the cap as it is, and our D-core looking like it is, what do you all think of the D-core next year? Obviously, Soupy, Keith, and Seabs aren’t going anywhere… and I feel like Hendry and Campoli are keepers for their price. That leaves Leddy and Hammer… maybe next year leddy goes back down? seems like a bit of a waste.

Forward wise… Another conundrum is Dowell vs RJ17. RJ17 has sold me on him I think he should come back. But the problem is the center position. Dowell isn’t a 3rd line solution, and Bolland isn’t a 2nd line solution. It seems like what we need is a 2nd line center. So do we resign both dowell and RJ17? Is the 4th line ?/Johnson/Dowell, and they just have backup to take faceoffs if one gets tossed? I don’t dislike that at all, especially for the price.

If Hammer gets moved… theres a bit of room for a 2nd line center too.

Salak: He’s supposed to be good. Great. I really, really don’t want to have a pairing of crawford/salak. No matter how good crawford is this year, thats a pairing with less than 2 total seasons in the NHL. It screams a possibility of a double meltdown to me. Resigning Turco at the same price seems like a good deal (i’m not convinced his numbers this year are entirely of his own making).

Must Keep:
Craw
Frolik
Brouwer
Campoli

Should Keep:
Dowell
Johnson
Hendry
Salak (AHL?)

Trade/let go:
Kopecky
Stalberg

???:
Pisani

I’m firmly of the opinion that kopecky is a product of his line mates, and his numbers are not realistic, and we should sell high. He’s going to ask for money, and i don’t want to pay him more than he’s worth.

Stalberg seems like he has potential, but i don’t think we should pay him for potential. With Morin in the wings, he isn’t critical.

Pisani – seems like he is the definitive “a guy” player right now. But again, seems like he does a good job for a minimum wage guy.

by oregon_hawk on Mar 9, 2011 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

Are you saying Bolland isn't a 2nd line center...

because The Collective had been saying so for a long time, or do you actually believe that? Because I think the latest 2nd line experiment says otherwise.

by The_FFF on Mar 9, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

he seems certainly serviceable there

but his amazing utility as a checking line center (he was facing opposing top lines and swallowing them whole for the first half of the season it seemed) is probably too good to give up.

by oregon_hawk on Mar 10, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Kop being an UFA, we wouldn't be selling, we'd be discarding

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 10, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Dowell is a keeper as a #3 center.

Bollie has been doing a pretty good job centering the 2nd line right now and hopefully he will improve a little more for next year.

Fro should be resigned, and like I said earlier, I would like to see him with Bollie & Hossa just to see what is what. Campoli would be a great sign also if he can be afforded with Hammer, if not, then that is a tough decision to make.

Kop should go the way of the DO DO bird after this season unless Hossa makes a stink about losing his buddy, but maybe Fro can be his new running mate; especially if they are paired on the 2nd. Buying out Scott’s contract wouldn’t be a bad idea, especially if it can be spread out for 4 years. However, since his hit is so low, I don’t know if there is a special clause for players making the minimum to be bought out.

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Mar 12, 2011 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind having Kop back - at the right price (for a dependable 3rd/4th line type guy)

I just don’t like seeing him thrust above his abilities into 2nd line duty

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 15, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with your

thoughts on Kop, but after his career year this season I can’t see him not asking for comparable money to what T-Brow may get which will be too much IMO.

As for the D corps; if it’s possible to keep Campoli, Hammer and re sign Hendry I much prefer that to having Scottsquatch lumbering around the blueline, but not sure if that is gonna be financially possible.

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Mar 16, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lately, I've been wavering on my "buy out scott"

opinion.

He skates enourmously better than he did at the start of the season, he seems quicker, and i’ve noticed him more for doing good things defensively than fail things (though I have noticed one or two D-zone fails… but for a 6th D-man, that will happen)

by oregon_hawk on Mar 16, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Id be willing to keep

him as a 7th D man as long as D is all he is used for as he is a total failure as a forward, but yeah, as a 7th D man for the cap hit, i could suffer another year with Scottsquatch pulling some minutes in a pinch or to give someone else a breather.

II Can Finally Die Happy Now!

by Tuke on Mar 16, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

given that he's essentially minimum wage - what other #7 guy would not be just as bad

he should be kept away from forward duty

but as a #7 spare D guy, why not?
He has improved his skating and hasn’t been worse than any other generic minimum wage #7 D guy out there – and he does seem to have a good character (so as to perhaps be a positive presence in non-playing facets of the team’s chemistry)

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Mar 17, 2011 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

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