Gaze Not Into The Abyss: A Look At The Opposition - Canucks' Goaltending
by McClure on Apr 11, 2011 2:38 PM CDT
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PrintWith the playoff opener about 55 hours away, it's time we took a glance at the Hawks' opposition in the first round, our old friends the Vancouver Canucks. This examination will start in Vancouver's cage, where we find Sideshow Bob, Roberto Luongo.
Luongo is entering this playoff year on the heels of his best season as a pro with regard to goals against, averaging 2.11, and his second best in save percentage, .928 (second to .931 in 03-04 with Florida), leading him to his first ever Jennings trophy for fewest goals allowed, and will certainly put him in the conversation for the Vezina. In any other year it would be Borat's to lose, but some guy in Boston may have a thing or two to say about that.
The book on Luongo is the same as it ever was: big, athletic, positionally sound while playing deep in his net, and a penchant for making highlight reel saves. But as he's exhibited in the past, there are holes in his game that can be exploited. For all his size, Luongo plays deep in his net, and as a result is susceptible to screens and traffic in front (what goalie isn't), a fact a giant black man made himself a folk hero by exploiting the last two years. Lu will also give up rebounds if there's traffic in front and the shots come low.
The biggest thing with Luongo has been (and will continue to be until he proves otherwise) his gray matter. The goals against seem to come in bunches, particularly in Vancouver, where he allowed 7 goals on 65 shots in two encounters during the regular season, as opposed to a single marker courtesy of Viktor Stalberg on 64 shots at the United Center. This is keeping in mind that he was yanked after letting in 4 on 20 shots in the 7-1 maiming. It's also been the case in the last two playoff series against the Hawks, allowing 17 goals in 3 games at home last year as opposed to 5 (with one EN) in 3 games at the UC. In 2009, he allowed 13 goals in 3 games in BC, and 9 in Chicago, with one of those games being the outlying, tear-inducing performance of Game 6 wherein 6 got by Bob before the empty netter. For whatever the reasons may be, the pressure of the home crowd seems to have Luongo playing the game on his heels in Vancouver, though he's far from the only guilty party in that respect on the Nucks.
Once again the Canucks started chirping in the press well before the final matchups had been determined that they looked forward to facing the Hawks again, and claimed to be a different team, though the principals remain the same. The fact remains that even though absolutely everything seems to be set up for them, the onus is on them to prove they can best the Hawks, a fact they're more than a little aware of. This starts with Luongo, and it will be imperative to get to him early in the series at home where he's had difficulties, and allow that old gnawing doubt to creep back in...and the rebounds to pop out. With Dustin Byfuglien now busy winning Norris Trophies in Atlanta, it's now incumbent on the likes of Tomas Kopecky, Bryan Bickell, Viktor Stalberg, and Troy Brouwer (if he's healthy) to plant themselves in front of Sideshow Bob. It's worked in the past, and it will have to again for the Hawks to advance.
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Let's hope that...
Brouw is back for the playoffs. Keep Ben Smith, we all like what we have seen from him. DROP Pisani. Any pray that Bolland makes a return so we can kick Dowell out of town.
I now have an almost irrational dislike for Pisani.
by Scott13 on Apr 11, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing irrational about it
Pisani is in NHL terms just a spare part of the “what can we find on the scrap heap to fill some space” variety. (So is Dowell honestly except that he at least is young enough that there is still some chance of a little further development.)
by Paul the Fossil on Apr 11, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
So he could progress to Fernando Pisani levels?
I hope Dowell is long forgotten by the start of next season.
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Scott
Just ask yourself this, would you rather see 32 out there instead? Yeah, see? Pisani is OK now, right? LOL
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Oh I know, it's completely irrational
he’s a better player than I give him credit for, and he wasn’t brought in to do anything other than eat up minutes, so while games like yesterday can’t keep happening he’s done just fine. Yet as soon as I see #15 I start screaming and throwing things at the tv for no reason.
He was doing
much before when he was playing with Bolland, and before he got hurt imo
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by justforkicks on Apr 11, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm praying that Pisani reverts to his 05-06 playoff self
Unlikely, I know, but gotta keep the hope alive.
THIS!
I was waiting for the playoffs to bring this up. I wonder how many people realize that one greatest single season playoff goal scoring performances in history belongs to our very own Pisani? 14 playoff goals in 2006. I believe that’s also only 2nd behind Syd (15?) among active players.
Who would of thunk?
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 11, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
5 years is a long time in the life of a 34 year old athlete...
(unfortunately)
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I have watched quite a few Nucks games this year
and I do have to say Lu is not the same goaltender that we have seen in the past. There’s really no more flopping around in the crease looking for interference calls. He has better rebound control. He has been positioning himself better so that he can always see the puck and I haven’t seen too many teams that have been able to park a player in front of the net to obstruct his view. Now does this mean he isn’t a beatable goalie? Of course not. It just probably won’t be as easy to get around him as we have before.
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Perhaps
But the playoffs are an entirely different realm, and he knows this as well as anyone. If he starts gripping that stick too tight the flopping will commence, and it’ll be worse than a World Cup game.
It will not be easy I think the Hawks know that
While I’ve seen a fair share of Vancouver games, McClure is right that the idea of getting someone in front is key. He might not give up many goals and rebounds as the last year(s) have proved, he still plays back in the net too much. Well see what happens as Waylon says, “the playoffs are an entirely different animal” where unsung heros come out and you never know what will happen.
One of the overlooked elements
of getting traffic in front of Lu is how many undisciplined penalties the Nucks do or don’t take. During the playoffs we really only got Buff in his face with the man advantage. Last year they took 6, 2, 8, 8, 5 and 3 minor penalties in the six games respectively. The NHL.com headline of the Game 5 Nucks win was “Composed Canucks stay alive with Game 5 win” because they only took five minors that game. If the Nucks can find the discipline that eluded them last year the Hawks may have a hard time finding the opportunity to park anyone in front of Luongo.
That's been a prime directive
From the top this year. They sat Kesler and Burrows down in the off season and basically said “stop it with the stupid shit”. It’s been working so far this season, but we’ll see if it carries over to the playoffs.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Might have been the best move your managment has made in about 4 years.
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I would agree
I was very happy they did that. Watching games 3 and 4 last year was incredibly difficult – not just because you killed us, but because the team self imploded.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Apr 11, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Luongo is a turtle?
I no longer like turtles.
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
He's paying homage to the Hawks
Turtle Homage
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Apr 11, 2011 6:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hawks are a different team too
and not in a better way. This is going to be a very difficult and cardiac arresting series. JeHossa, please heal thy brother Bollander and bring him back in playoff form!
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Hell, JeHossa please play like JeHossa
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
FYI
But always remember – Reboundo is NOT A DRAMA QUEEN! AV RULES! THEY CANNOT WAIT FOR A REMATCH! Hey, what did RJ say on his tweet? He did? The outrage! How dare he! Nothing wrong with our heads, it’s THEIR heads that aren’t screwed on right! How dare Q allow his regulars to stay on the ice during that pasting, you tell ’em, AV!
On the plus side
the Hawks can’t run up the score in this series with their A-list power play team because Boynton isn’t here anymore.
Luongo
Is definitely a bit on the dramatic side. Especially when it comes to the crease
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
by Semi_Colon on Apr 11, 2011 3:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey-o!
If you could kindly relay this opinion to fellow nuck fan vancitydan, I would greatly appreciate it.
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I calls em likes I see em
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
by Semi_Colon on Apr 11, 2011 4:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You are not alone, but VCD is oblivious to it.
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Thanks for noticing my bad parody
He’s pretty easy to do, eh?
If Bicks can't park it in front of the net for at least this series
Tell him to go look for another job next year. Play to your size
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
It goes triple for Stahls
But I think he’s up for the challenge – but please no more blind passes out of your own end.
I have a feeling he learned from that mistake
He knew he was in the doghouse again. The look on his face said it all. I’m sure he’ll think twice before letting something like that happen in the playoffs.
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and per Toews
he’s excited to grow a beard so he better not let it happen again! I’m sure he learned his lesson. He should of just turned his head to see where Kops was but you learn from that and move on
More often than not
Bickell skates like a ballerina during games, I don’t see this changing unless that -3 is still ringing around his head as it should be.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 11, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Serious question
For a minimum wager, Bicks put up great numbers this year. I’m not sure that even debatable. And aside from the past month, he was consistent all season and 2nd on the team in Hits/TOI.
So based on your “play to your size” argument, would you therefore prefer a smaller guy with not as good stats?
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 11, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
How does that even make sense?
No one is saying we need a small guy. We’re simply saying we need a guy who is naturally big to play in front of the net like a big guy and not play like a little guy. How is that difficult to understand?
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Let's just invite Bicks over and have him watch "Mystery, Alaska" before the game on Wednesday.
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Then bitch about John Scott
since he’s bigger.
When the guy who is 2nd in Hits/TOI on the team is still considered “soft,” it’s probably not that player who is the problem.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 11, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
LoL... You and I talked about Bicks on Sunday, and I am a believer that we are all
probably simply putting unrealistic expectations on him, because he is a big guy.
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You lost me
How is the answer to your question ever going to be yes. I think it just comes down to the fact that Bicks is one of the biggest guys on the team and it would be nice if he played like it. Park your big ass in front of Lou, and whack him with your stick every now and then. :)
But that wasn't whiskey's statement
If Bicks can’t park it in front of the net for at least this series. Tell him to go look for another job next year. Play to your size.
Please let Bickell know that he and his $550k salary can have a job on my NHL fantasy team any day.
Sure it would be nice to have someone parked in front of the net at all times, but that isn’t realistic if a team wants to also maintain possession during 5on5 play. When I see statements about a player who doesn’t get much time on special teams “not parking it in front” I tend to doubt the commenter’s hockey knowledge.
Maybe Bickell does play a bit soft. I’ll go with that for the sake of argument. But there’s been so much talk around here about getting rid of Bickell based on “not playing to his size” that is irrational. I don’t care if a guy is 5’6" or 6’5" if he’s 5th on my team in goals, 2nd in hits/TOI, has a positive rating against a high QualComp rating, and only makes a hair over minimum wage.
So you’re right, the answer should never be yes.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 11, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's more frustrating than anything.
A guy that big, and at least 75% of his goals came well outside the crease. Imagine how many more goals he would get if he “made his living” in front of the net, ie Postseason Buff, Holmstron (sp?), and other power forwards?
I get your point though.
" ie Postseason Buff"
Well that’s it exactly. Bickell hasn’t played much in the post season. I think he played 3 games last year and did pretty well IMO.
Regular season Buff only scored 11 non-PP goals and about half his playoff goals were also on the PP. Bickell doesn’t get much time on the PP. If he does in the playoffs and doesn’t get net presence I’ll gladly bitch, but I won’t be yelling for his dismissal.
And yeah, no one gets to the net 5on5 like Holmstrom. That guy is amazing. I was just “bitching” about that at the game on Sunday.
I get the frustration. My head is about to pop though from Bickell being the scapegoat for the past few weeks when there are other less “simple” targets.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 11, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Defending Bickell
I’ve given up trying to defend Bickell. Tried for awhile but it just isn’t worth it.
Too many people don’t understand the difference between a high hit count and actually playing defense. And heaven help you if you try and use stats to make your point. Or show how Q uses the guy compared to others.
I will say it drives me nuts, though, when people who complain about Bickell don’t even know which is the Hawks third line and which is the Hawks fourth…
i get this
if the Hawks had big bodies in reserve that Bickel was keeping off the ice, it would be one thing, but they don’t.
So we can stamp our feet that “Bickell doesn’t play to his size” but I don’t see how getting rid of him improves the situation.
We like our people!
When Bickell becomes Holmstrom
Let the front office know well in advance, because we’ll need to make the cap space in order to retain him.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no comparison
Player | GP | G | A | P | +/-
Tomas Holmstrom | 73 | 18 | 19 | 37 | -6
Bryan Bickell | 78 | 17 | 20 | 37 | +6
Holmstrom edges Bickell out in goals scored in last game of year due to…30-foot wrister!
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Ive gone to work just about everyday the last two years. I wish my bosses worried about spelling me every now and then...
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That year in Afghanistan was 9 - 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week, in up to a 120 degree, dusty and otherwise
“uncomfortable” environment.
I did get an 18 day break, and managed to get out alright (all things considered). I even got to see/touch the Stanley Cup right before the end of it all.
I think he’ll manage. I’ve got YEARS on him. LoL
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by Powrfwd37 on Apr 11, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
respectfully,
your time in the service also makes the Mikka Kiprusoffs and Evgeni Nabakovs of the goaltending world look soft in comparison, but not many people would argue that they weren’t overworked by the time playoffs hit in previous years.
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;)
Just making light of it…
I think a break would do him some good, but there really isn’t time to make it happen now.
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I agree with that
My answer to the original question would be yes I’m worried, no, there’s nothing that can be done about it now.
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Well no argument there but that's not the issue
At my job when I show up just a shade tired, the day’s results are not catastrophic for anybody. A goalie in NHL playoff hockey though…if he’s at 95% that can cost his team the game and match.
That said, I certainly wouldn’t do anything but keep riding Crawford — it’s not any form of Turco-bashing to say that the Hawks’ chances of going anywhere right now with anything but the kid in net are remote.
by Paul the Fossil on Apr 11, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Not anymore
I was worried about 3- 4 weeks ago, but the kid’s performed awesomely so far, despite the last DET snafu. He’s young, he can take it – as long as the Keith doesn’t bust too many moves in front of him, he’ll be a rock back there.
yes
he’s already showing signs of significant wear. yesterday was anouther meh outing.
without crawford, the season’s over already, but if and when the bus breaks down on the side of the road, this will be the reason.
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He has?
That’s news to me. His save percentages for the past 10 games:
87.1, 92.9, 87.5, 94.3, 92.9, 91.2, 91.2, 94.3, 92.0, 1.00
hmmm
interesting food for thought. eye test?
seriously, i’m a believer in sv% as an indicator of goalie quality. How about this for stats?
Through February 24th (36 games): 0.923.
Since February 25th (21 games): 0.906.
All in all, tho, I concede Crow has held up better than I was thinking. Thanks for the call-out.
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Not at all.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Apr 11, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If I were to worry about anything,
it’s that Turco hasn’t gotten game time in months.
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
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We were actually able to save some cap room
by moving Turco’s contract into the front office and listing his job description as “baggage handler”
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It was an incredibly shrewd move.
As players get ready to leave, they place their bags in something akin to a baseball pitching machine, and Manny uses his equipment to deflect them to the proper compartment in the bus/plane. Forwards to the front, defensemen to the rear, and well… In a little nod to keeping him humble, he has to hand carry Crawford’s equipment in his lap.
But rest assured, he is sharp, and in perfect game shape!
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Stan is a genious!
But really if Turco gets a start I think it will be because we all hear a fat lady singing.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That seems to be an apt description
Since he seems to have come to you guys with a lot of baggage.
<3 Boobies!
#WinitForManny
Not as long as a he plays
for two more months
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
And the callups are announced
#Blackhawks recall forward Jeff Taffe, defensemen Jassen Cullimore and Garnet Exelby, and goaltender Hannu Toivonen Rockford of AHL..
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Lame. The Canucks had sexy callups with Hodgson and Oreskovich
The Hawks suck. BBBOOOOOORRRRRINNNNNGGGG
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Excelby!?
He’s in your system??
I did not know that. I thought he was banished in some far off land
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Rockford sounds kind of like your Surrey Semi
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Wow they really really aren't liking Beach's development or something, eh?
by Paul the Fossil on Apr 11, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The phrase....
“BEACH, SMASH” comes to mind.
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Its almost like they dont like him because hes a Dale Tallon guy....
/ Not sayin
// Just sayin
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Either that or...
the Hawks decided they maybe don’t need someone with an Alex Burrows level of discpline handing it off to the #1 PP on a regular basis.
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He does it one time and you send his ass off for good.
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Considering he was the worst in rockford for +/-
with -23 it’s understandable. Taffe had a good year down there and we already have Ben Smith called up. Not surprising.
Sorry, but these callups aren't exactly making me excited
about seeing any of them actually on the ice. (And Cullimore? You’ve got to be kidding!) Stan’s getting more irritating.
"Dave was there!"
"Dave's a killer!"
"Dave's a mess."
Nothing wrong with Cullimore's play with the Hawks in the fall
I thought he was distinctly better than Boynton, let alone Scott, and for that matter was at least as effective as Hammer was being then…he was +4 on a team racking up lots of minuses. I can see him being useful in a limited role during the playoffs if a D should get banged up.
by Paul the Fossil on Apr 11, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
There is little to nothing surprising about these callups
Cullimore’s call up is a result of the Blackhawks currently relying on pipsqueaks to man 5 of the 6 Dman positions. Though I doubt Cullimore sees ice in the first game of this series, he is likely there as a contigency if the hawks survive long enough to meet a team that is a bit bulkier at the F position.
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Cullimore was the right call-up, and it's not even close.
Yes, he’s ancient. But he’s got the make-up and experience to spell whoever needs it much better than Scott could ever hope to. And this is coming from a Scott apologist.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Apr 11, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
This.
I think I’d rather have Beach and his -23 than Exelby. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw him wearing the C in Rockford at the last game I went to.
Plus, I also agree with the Culli call up.
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 11, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't Toivonen
suck?
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by justforkicks on Apr 11, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Certainly not lighting up the AHL, that's for sure
Good thing he’s just a very distant ‘insurance’ call-up.
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not Tim Thomas, that's for sure.
But most teams carry 3 goalies for the playoffs and who else are they going to call up?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 11, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Eerily similar posts, brother.
(Hulk Hogan-ed)
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I mentioned this a few times too
and I’d actually love to see this, whether or not he even plays.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 11, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't dress the 3rd goalie right?
That’s too bad, I would love to see what Turco and Huet could do with the bench door.
figured
but just checking since I don’t follow the Ice Hogs.
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by justforkicks on Apr 11, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
How about Morin? Or Makarov? Or Brophy?
Jeff fucking Taffe aint sending the ole Chris Matthews tingle up my leg, if ya know what I mean.
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I cant seem to get a straight answer on his current health...I assume thats why though.
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ive been curious about that since i heard he went down in the juniors. its like he up and died or something.
Ive heard that too. Like I said, it seems unclear. I might have to go dig around Block's site to see what I can find.
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i once heard
a man questioned what gear he was in during a car crash.
his response: adidas track suit and some air jordans…
That
may have been where she got it, though she didn’t really seem like the Partridge Family target demo. And it was the first time I’d heard it. I very nearly did a spit-take.
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or Brady Bunch
remember the ole throw the briefcase ploy.
by YouFeelShame on Apr 11, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
brady bunch most def
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by justforkicks on Apr 11, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Even with the overhauls that the Canucks made
the core of this team is the same schizo bunch. Its like putting a new engine in a ‘78 Yugo. It doesn’t matter if the thing has 400 HP, all it takes is one pothole and the wheels fall off.
I’m glad this series starts in VAN, in front of those fans with that pressure. Find a way to take game 1 and things could get interesting.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 3:28 PM CDT reply actions
One thing left out of this preview...
is that the defense in front of Lu has done a better job of clearing those ever-present rebounds this year. In last year’s series, the Hawks seemed to be having a lawn party in front of Lu’s goal on several occasions, especially in Vancouver. Traffic in front of the net is a bit harder to find this year.
But again, the playoffs are a different animal, so we’ll see. I’m hopeful that the coaching genius of AV will come through much the way it has the last two years. And that the Hawks actually show up for a full 60 minutes (or more, if required) each and every game.
"Dave was there!"
"Dave's a killer!"
"Dave's a mess."
The thing is...
Just as the Hawks seem to bring out the worst in the Canucks, the Canucks seem to bring out the best in the Hawks. At least that’s the way it has been in the past. I hope it stays that way
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yeah
something about that ice surface up there.
or maybe i’m putting too much on a small sample size.
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Also failed to mention
Patrick Kane looooooooooooves shooting on Lu
Loves it
Probably close to as much as he loves booze and jammers
ryan johnson
talking a little smack bout his former squad:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/news/story?id=6329561
SPOILER ALERT: canucks not stoked about meeting chicago again, lol.
oh boy
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by Hack on Apr 11, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
At least
Someone else called it smack talk. Vindication!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
by Semi_Colon on Apr 11, 2011 4:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I accidentally clicked the comments section on that article
My eyes haven’t stopped bleeding. But this seems a bit unnecessary, given that VAN is already experiencing all kinds of pressure. Couple of quick wins would do wonders.
Not to start this discussion again, but if this is smack then I'm in the HOF.
He was very respectful of Lu et al.
Is there a little bit of something in all of their minds about the Blackhawks and the inability to beat them the last two years? Of course, but I think it just motivates them that much more to try to get it done this year. But I wouldn’t say there’s anything in Roberto’s head. He’s a world-class goaltender and will approach the series like he would any other. But we’re hoping we can get to him and get traffic in front of him and make him have to work hard to get things done."
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
PSHH....Ryan Johnson is a big mouthed goon who insulted not only the Canucks, but the whole country of Canada. The Hawks dont need assholes like him.
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doesn’t everyone insult the Canucks and Canada?
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Aren't the Canucks
their own insult to Canada?
/apologies to Ottawa for overlooking their noble efforts
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Replace 'and' with 'in'
And you’ve got it
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by Semi_Colon on Apr 11, 2011 4:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The nerve that guy has.
All the cryptic insults and smack talk… there’s no room on the team for shit like this.
I cant believe he would disrespect another hockey team like that. Its like he didn't have a mother growing up or something.
Does he know the Canucks have feelings? They hurt and cry like everyone else. Ryan Johnson is a monster.
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Pfft... Imagine if the Rat was on Twitter? Damn, the damage he could do.
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I like this dude's style.
“Send over a case of cognac…” Now I want us to repeat just to see RJ party with Kaner.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Apr 11, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
this is the best part about this match up (until game 1 is in the books). all the canucks are going to hear from the press is how much the hawks have cursed them 2 years running, and all the hawks will be hearing is how they are the underdogs.
imo the hawks have the better position. being the underdog gives you more steam, while hearing about past failings and canuck killers just mounts all the pressure on the team in blue. running away with game 1 could be devastating.
in the words of arnold schwartzenegger: “DO IT! DO IT NOW!!!!”
If Bickell
doesn’t plant his ass in front of Bobby Lu with regularity, I may charge down the stairs and onto the ice and whack him upside the head myself.
I am so tired of Bick’s refusal to play to his size — as tired as we all were of Buff’s tendency to do likewise ‘til the playoffs rolled around. Someone has to get it through this kid’s skull that he may very likely hold the key to winning this round.
We have others who can create traffic in front — Brouwer, Kopecky, Bolland — but they can actually do some other stuff, too. It is Bickell alone who is suited — if he has the desire — to get there and stay there for extended periods.
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It is Bickell alone who is suited
Couldn’t disagree more. When healthy, how is Brouwer not best suited?
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besides Bickell being slightly larger
or is that the only criterion?
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I suppose
it’s a fail to say “alone” is suited. And I mentioned Brouwer, but Brouwer can actually be effective elsewhere on the ice — certainly moreso than Bickell, who pretty much does only one thing: takes wristers from the perimeter. He doesn’t have much in the way of a defensive game, doesn’t hit/work along the boards with much effectiveness, etc etc.
I didn’t mean to take away from T-Brou’s obvious skill at being a net-presence guy.
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all this talk about
Kop, Brouw, Bickell, etc. If the powerplay units stay the same, the guy you’ll see in front of the net more than anyone is Jonathan Toews.
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I think people forget
How big of a pest in the crease Toews can be. Watch him, its always one extra swipe at the pads. Everytime there’s a scrap infront of the other teams net it always seems like someone is dragging toews out of there.
Besides, i think Stalberg and Brouwer’s hands make them better suited for screen/tip/clean up duties.
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone is forgetting
that Toews is tough in the crease, I’m just arguing that this usage may not be the best for the captain
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Would love to see
Tazer as part of the cycling/passing/etc…instead in front of the crease getting beat up. He’s a pest and great in the crease, but I do not like seeing him getting crosschecked, knocked down, and pushed around
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by justforkicks on Apr 11, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Bicks is a very solid, value of a player.
However, here is Bicks’ game, in one summary sentence, from anywhere on the ice:
“I completed a move against a defensive player.” – FIRE THE WRIST SHOT.
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Not saying it doesn't have a place, but damn... Change it up once in awhile.
Just in the interest of putting the D off-balance.
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What's Bickell's shooting percentage?
It seems like he fires those suckers off every chance he gets, but obviously a handful have gone in…
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
not a good metric for evaluating
the effectiveness of Bickell’s 40 footers. Shooting percentage won’t factor in when he misses the net or gets that shot blocked.
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I understand that.
And I’m not trying to evaluate just his 40-footers.
His shooting percentage is 13.1, which outside of a couple guys who didn’t play much (Morin, Smith) is fourth only to Bolland, Brouwer, and Toews.
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
We should have traded Kaner. That lazy fuck.
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For all the complaining we do about Bickell
His shooting percentage isn’t bad. I understand it’s not a completely useful statistic because it doesn’t account for missed shots and blocked shots. But the ones he gets on net, are moderately successful.
Especially when compared to say, Frolik, who is god awful.
I was going for a round-about defense of Bickell.
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm good with Bicks. I actually like him.
I just (like many others) feel that he has more potential than what he’s giving us.
Of course, we are not Q, so we may just be placing expectations on him which are more than he is capable of.
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That may be true
But in terms of how we’ve cast the two players I wonder if we’ve relied on Brouwer much more as a front-of-the-net guy and Bickell more in the mold of Andrew Ladd — who, if you remember from last year, was rarely a net presence and more of a puck-winner along the boards (and a heck of a good one at that for parts of the season and all of the playoffs).
So while I agree that Bickell should be forced into that role if we see a need for it, I wouldn’t hold out that much hope that he’d be any good at it.
I’m also tempted to play devil’s advocate with CNS and make the claim that his 17 goals are a product of decreased offensive depth on a very good offensive team and him just being along for the ride (I’d love to compare how he’s played with Bolland versus without).
LOL, no need to. I'll even give you that. Goal production just seems to be the easiest metric to discuss
In reality, I disagree much more on Bickell’s role and that he
doesn’t have much in the way of a defensive game.That is an amazing statement about a guy who has the 3rd highest QualComp of the Hawks forwards (behind only Bolland and Toews) and is top 25 in the league.
Now just because he faces the best competition doesn’t necessarily mean he’s good defensively, but that is going to be the case 95% of the time. The next step would be to look at his Corsi Relative to QualComp – and Bickell also has the 3rd highest Corsi Rel QoC of the Hawks’ forwards. So not only has he faced the toughest competition, he’s fared well against them.
He also has a positive plus-minus rating on top of that, which is impressive for a defensive forward. Sure he might not look as good to some as RJ or Ben Smith, but that might be partly due to the fact that RJ and Smith face the weakest competition of the Hawks’ current forwards.
I just don’t understand why people would complain about a forward who has been used primarily as a defensive forward in a checking line role for not sitting his ass in front of the net? It makes completely no sense to me to believe this is even remotely his role. Let’s try to go back to the simple route though.
Byfuglien 2010 $3.0M cap 34 Pts -7
Holmstrom 2011 $2.0M cap 37 Pts -6
Bickell 2011 $0.5M cap 37 Pts +6
Bickell and Crawford are likely far and away the best values per cap hit on the entire Hawks team. Yet we want to get rid of one of them.
I’ll admit Bickell’s slumped offensively in Bolland’s absence. So has Pisani I believe. The sum of that line was greater than the individual parts. But this whole “he plays soft” meme has been going on much longer than that. Just because the Hawks need better net presence doesn’t mean it’s Bickell who should fill that role simply because “he’s big.” /headdesk
I don’t know if Kopecky can do it effectively either in the playoffs 5on5. Not in a million years against VAN. Brouwer might have a 50/50 shot if he returns. Same with Stalberg. This ain’t last year’s team. Find a different way.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 12, 2011 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Stats that "help"
Ok I’m just going to “preach to the choir,” you, but more accurately show which stats I use for Bickell’s defense.
Yea, “Quality of Competition” shows Bickell is the winger who plays the toughest Hawks opponents.
“Zone starts” shows Bickell plays in the toughest situations. Both of those combined shows that Q views Bickell as the best defensive winger on the team.
“+/- for 60 minutes” shows that Bickell plays the other teams top lines AND IS WINNING! Something that very few “checking lines” accomplish.
Basically, Bickell is Bolland’s left hand man which means in hockey, Bickel is Bolland’s “right hand man.” Pretty funny that people think “Bickell doesn’t have much of a defensive game.” Actually, that’s pretty sad…
Anyway, if that’s not enough you go to GVT, or the Hockey equivalent of “value over replacement player.” The Highest rated Hawks forwards in order are; Toews, Sharp, Kane, Hossa, Bolland, Bickell. So Bickell is the highest rated Hawk skater NOT considered a core player.
And he is bargain priced on a team with cap issues. But hey, let’s get rid of the guy because he doesn’t “give up his defensive responsibilities to go roam around and randomly hit people.” Or what was this one, “he doesn’t plant his ass in front of the goalie.” And I agree with you CNS, people who make that complaint about players that aren’t on the PP, really don’t know much about hockey…
by DaleHalas on Apr 12, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do have to admit, that the two of you, combined (for sure) make quite the
argument in Bicks’ defense. Not that I’ve ever been a hater. Bottom line I guess is that I just don’t look at the stats as much. I like the guy, but yeah, I’m also a guy that goes – Damn, with his size, look at what he could do out there.
You know though… As I’ve said a few times in the last couple of days, I guess people are trying to place unrealistic expectations on him, because of “HIS SIZE.”
Great points, both of you!
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Any chance we get a SCH podcast this week?
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Maybe
Due to recording logistics and the feedback for past podcasts not really being indicative of a great desire for more, it hasn’t been on a front burner.
If everyone wants one, we’ll see what we can do.
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go for it
anything that helps you guys audition for a spot on Chicago Tribune Live or, better yet, CSN’s intermission report
Imagine the hilarity of Kuc getting bounced for Sam or McClure or Killion. Man that'd be sweet.
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for that soft goal, when Seabs had clearly forced the attacking player to the lower, outside half of the faceoff circle? I mean, clearly that shot has nowhere else to go besides high to the short side. What the fuck, man?"
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by Powrfwd37 on Apr 11, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LoL... That's an entirely different thing.
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so are you saying
i hold a veto over any podcast?
finally, some power dribbling down to the hoi polloi!
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Oh wow
hoi polloi usage. Italicized too!
Coconuts go.™
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by eightyseven on Apr 12, 2011 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Does that make us all a bunch of stooges?
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You guys going to have a
Pre/post game drink up on Sunday?
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you gonna be in town?
we could maybe plan an unofficial one if people are interested
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Yep
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Ah, sweet...
Count me in (I think! LoL)
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Hot damm tamale!
Pre/post drinkfest with BigC, Puppet & 37? I am so there! Maybe! It’s like I died and went to….uh….Cork & Kerry!
I have misplaced my pants
oh shit, did I jut commit myself to something?
I’m…err…a very non-committal type of person, you see….
but if there’s interest, I’ll throw up a planning on the right rail and people can hash out details
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by puppetmasterp on Apr 11, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
see fan post
make suggestions
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by puppetmasterp on Apr 12, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
no no puppet
you’re supposed to link to it as well!
you need to go back to the CNS school of fanpost-linking
I know everyone around here is
Kaner lazy – links must be provided at all times
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Did I miss something?
Yeah, you missed Predators fans saying the same thing last year before their series with the Hawks.
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Oh, okay then.
It sounded familiar. There are elements of Vancouver that give me night terrors/acid flashbacks. The D-corps is not one of those.
Its telling that even after losing O'Brian they still manage to have one of the douchier D-corps in the league.
Man, its been awhile. I almost forgot how much I fucking hate this team.
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Kesler is a good player. Sedins have tons of talent. But still, fuck em all.
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They should have been Hawks
But I won’t go there, no reason to post a downer.
With someone like Burrows, how can you possibly forget how much you hate this team?
by it'snotsomuchmeasitisroenick on Apr 11, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
oddly enough
the guy that Toews dangled around in the goal depicted in your avatar was none other than Dan Hamhuis
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When I thought about it...
The thing that gave me the most acid reflux about this series is now a non-issue.
that being: With Manny Maholtra the Canucks actually had a checking line that would allow Kesler and the second line to ACTUALLY function like a 2nd line.
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
So disappointed.
McLure. He did NOT play deep in the net the last two years. Its just a fact, confirmed by his goalie coach and himself.
Its why Buf was effective before. When you play at the top of the crease, contact happens.
Now, this year, the new system is to play a foot back. You are right that he plays back now.
But how that is susceptible to traffic is beyond me. I only watched every game this season, and it seems it helps with avoiding traffic.
If the hawks think they can magically be allowed to have two feet all the way in the blue ice, then the refs have been paid off and its just a show for the plebes.
But thats not what will happen. You and I know they call that stuff these days.
That system is all about control and better rebound control. stacie knows.
and I do have to say Lu is not the same goaltender that we have seen in the past. There’s really no more flopping around in the crease looking for interference calls. He has better rebound control. He has been positioning himself better so that he can always see the puck and I haven’t seen too many teams that have been able to park a player in front of the net to obstruct his view. Now does this mean he isn’t a beatable goalie? Of course not. It just probably won’t be as easy to get around him as we have before
Its gonna be a great series, but lets get the real info out there fellas.
Oh, and Hack, not oblivious. Semi is entitled to his opinion, its a free country.
What I said is “ALL” goalies are drama queens. But whatever rationalization you guys want to cling to when yelling at your TV that “thats not a penalty” is fine with me.
Because if the Hawks want to be planted in the blue ice all series, that will be just fine. We’ll take the power plays.
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Don't worry... It's Dan. He's got this.
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I enjoy your enthusiasm for hockey
But sometimes, I have to say, your belief that the Canucks and all their players are completely infallible is frustrating and makes me want to lash out viciously.
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
you, Lu, and whoever is feeding you these theories are living in a pre-lockout NHL
Quick, read this:
69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper – This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgment of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.
Now reevaluate this:
If the hawks think they can magically be allowed to have two feet all the way in the blue ice, then the refs have been paid off and its just a show for the plebes.
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scratch the date
you and the aforementioned crew are living in a 20th century NHL
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C'mon Dan
You’ve never, EVER thought that Lu’s tried to sell some calls?
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he's not saying that Lu doesn't
he’s saying that ALL goalies do, which is a ridiculous and largely false generalization
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For the last time
Because this is getting annoying.
ALL goalies sell calls. ALL goalies do the same thing when they feel contact. If the goal went in anyhow. You are damn skippy they do.
Nice Hack…the rule. I read it too. But thats not what was said. You and I both know how they have been calling it all season. If you think that Hawk players will be allowed to just camp in the blue ice, then all the power to you. Evidence to the contrary, if the way they called it all year is any indication.
Transient. Lash out all you want. Infallible? I know this team better than all others, because I watched every game. I was pointing out how the article is giving the wrong impression.
McLure is saying the Lui played deep the last two years, which is just out and out wrong.
The rest? Well interpret away.
Fine Hack, for you. Luongo is a drama queen. Feel better.
You still have not given any evidence to the contrary. I do know, from 40+ years of watching the game, that its a truism. Goalies all flop a little.
(Newsflash-from someone that long ago donned the pads. Sometimes its not “flopping”. Its a little tougher getting around in big pads when there is humanity everywhere. Yours and theirs. Not every fall is a flop )
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what are you talking about?
You and I both know how they have been calling it all season
I’ve watched a few non-Hawks games this year, and almost every Hawks game and I haven’t seen 1 goal disallowed because a player had both feet in the crease. So no, you and I don’t “both know”.
Also, I loved qualified opinions, they’re my favorite. You’ve got me in age and number of games goaltended, I’m officially DQ’d.
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I tend to think that, since this is the NHL officials we are talking about, that there is
too much inconsistency to say that ANYTHING has been called “all-season” any more than anything else.
Also, there are the “who gets the call rules” with some officials. Some allow the veteran the benefit, some allow the big name the benefit, many will give it to the “good” teams. The other side of that: Many give it to the underdogs, many look for certain players to do certain things.
That can go all sorts of ways. It is the playoffs. It is the season where teams (generally) go out of their way to avoid penalties, and refs allow players to play unless/until things get stupid looking out there.
If the Canuck/Luongo strategy for the playoffs is to “get the calls” I like our chances that much better.
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Better than all others?
Better than the coaching staff? The GM? Let’s not digress into the realm of impossibility, please.
I wasn’t simply referring to your most recent post, but the accumulation of all your statements. We, as fans, are all biased. You however, take that bias to a whole new level and sometimes when it’s posted on SCH, it gets annoying to me.
Don’t get all huffy-puffy, kiddo.
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought about calling him out as actually being AV when he posted that, but originally let it slide.
Since you mentioned it though… LoL.
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OK, so we're going to play the "I wore the pads and watched some games" gambit
So I’ve been watching the Hawks for almost 45 years now, so by your standards I know more than you do. Jeebus.
No, but Luongo is older than most of our lineup, except RJ, so he gets the calls.
Further, RJ talked smack about his former team, so Luongo gets the calls.
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You're both wrong
Because he won the Olympics and faced more pressure than someone trying to defuse a nuclear warhead in mid – flight, he is therefore declared the awesomenest of all goaltenders and thus wins by default, every time.
No.
When the ancient peoples, native to what would one day be Western Canada gazed upon the stars, a sign was given to them.
This sign was simple, yet confusing to them. It was: Roberto Luongo = Goaltending Perfection.
Since this sign appeared to them in a language that they did not know, they merely kept it to themselves, until the Hockey Gods appeared, and bestowed the gift of Hockey upon the Earth.
At this time, the peoples of Western Canada understood what the message meant. That one day, a savior would be given unto them, and his name would be Roberto Luongo. This Heavenly savior would be the end-all, be-all of Goaltending in Hockey, and the only way he would be scored upon would be if the players in front of him had failed miserably at their assigned tasks.
This Luongo, as it was foretold, would be un-beatable, and his judgment, infallible. If he had deemed that someone’s actions were illegal that there would be no man that could question this. His word is final, and anyone questioning it will one day stand in judgment before the Hockey Gods, and cast into a fiery lake for all of eternity.
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by Powrfwd37 on Apr 11, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
SENSE
this makes none.
matters little anyhow, as for Luongo we all know he has talent but for him this series will be fought inbetween his ears.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Last year
the Hawks were one of the Cup favorites. I’m glad I didn’t go into any series lobbying ahead of time for calls and suggesting if the Hawks didn’t get them, the fix was in.
This attitude strikes me as unworthy of a fan of the #1 team in the league. Here’s a better attitude: fuck the refs, fuck the other team, fuck the jockeying in the paint, my team will prevail.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Apr 11, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
But it says in the magical made up rule book
that two skates in the crease is an automatic 5 minute major and game misconduct.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't it go to the League for repeat offenders?
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Phew... Good thing we DID get rid of Byfuglien. His must be coming any day now.
such a shame. Premier prototype PF gone in the blink of an eye.
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This goes along with a league by law
that states any player who does not immediately hug and console Luongo after scoring on him will recieve a suspension and fine.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Make sure we post that memo in the locker room, STAT!
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
AND order teddy bears, and lots of "get better soon cards"
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh... I half thought about bringing a gold-colored box of kleenex to the game on Sunday night.
But alas… there are no tickets available. LoL
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Shouldn't be a problem
I’m willing to bet the ice crew can get their hands on a squigy.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec
I would expect something better from someone with all of his credentials.
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and then there's this
Any of these guys from Illinois? Your officials for the playoffs folks…
Paul Devorski, Eric Furlatt, Marc Joannette, Greg Kimmerly, Steve Kozari, Dennis Larue, Chris Lee, Wes McCauley, Brad Meier, Dan O’Halloran, Dan O’Rourke, Tim Peel, Brian Pochmara, Kevin Pollock, Chris Rooney, Kelly Sutherland, François St-Laurent, Stephen Walkom, Ian Walsh and Brad Watson.
by vancitydan on Apr 11, 2011 6:28 PM CDT
I wish you the best of luck, vandan, in your quest to identify these referees’ social security numbers and childhood rooting interests. The rest of us will be watching hockey.
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I know Brad Meier
that douche owes me twenty dollars
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Welp
We’re fucked then. They’re in your pocket!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
The full story is actually
he owes me twenty bucks because I tried to pay him off last year and he didn’t follow through for me. What a prick.
But really though there is this whole conspiracy in the NHL to keep any Canadian team from winning the cup.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Goddamn it
I knew it!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
We're a big market, you know
So of course we made it in, and the Wild was the prime suspect in the conspiracy. Having their top playes conveniently out with injuries was also a clever ruse, of course.
LoL... Ty Conklin is like the NHL's very own Mulder!
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Coming VERY Soon, to a league office near you...
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by Powrfwd37 on Apr 11, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha
that’s pretty good
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
On a serious note
Kelly Sutherland is an excellent referee who calls a fair shenanigan free game, and he usually gets the big series and the big games. Rigging is out of the question. My goodness the fact that this is even an issue makes me feel like I’m reading the inane ramblings of the tin-foil-hat-wearers over at winging it in motown.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Good to hear about a good one for once!
Seems like people never say anything about the refs unless they’re bad.
Lost in all this is some insight into how Luongo can (or would have to) be beaten
I think in some ways, CNS’s “AV speech” Photoshop from last night may have a lot of truth to it. It sounds to me like he’s attacked the Buff’s Ass approach to scoring on him and been very successful at removing that weakness from his game.
But a goalie that plays deeper in his crease will have other problems. He can’t cover as many angles. Maybe shots from the point won’t work because traffic becomes less effective (I feel like a lot of top goalies are becoming really good at looking “around” it), and being the hockey newbie I am I can’t think of how else this could be good for us, except…
Somebody suggested yesterday that Kaner could have a big series. Yes that’s predicated on him being on “fuck you” mode but if he is — who else could exploit the holes left in the 6×4 by a deep-playing goalie better? I think the series, offensively for the Hawks anyway, could hang on him.
We will send this to Kaner, immediately:
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by Powrfwd37 on Apr 11, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He shoots consistently through Reboundo's pads
The interesting thing for me is watching if he gets a breakaway and does his shifty feint shot, then unleashes the actual one. I’m sure Luongo has that one covered this year, since Verstig also nailed him with it last time around.
He shoots through his pads?
KANE IS USING TRANS-PHASIC PUCKS???? THAT’S CHEATING!!!!!
Any takers? No?
Sigh, that just doesn’t sound as plausible as the fact that Lu hasn’t been able to close that damn five hole the past two years.
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That's what I meant
But used (ahem) more colorful language.
Interesting take VerStig
That what I meant up above by “find another way.” I think everyone’s looking for that guy to be last year’s Buff, but this isn’t last year’s team and possibly LU has even changed his game. So take advantage of what he’s giving if possible.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 12, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Though some of our NM friends protest very greatly, the knock that our guys had on Lu was that he plays deep in the net, so get traffic and pick corners.
Lu’s a good sized Goaltender. If he’s playing deeper in the crease, pick those corners even more. get the side to side game going as best as you can, and create openings in the net.
If he has changed his game, our old game will not be the one that beats him.
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What say people of the back up goalie?
Good write up on Luongo, no one can argue that Luongo’s cleaned up weak spots in his game, and it’s showed this year. Positionally, I think he’s just a lot more comfortable than he’s been in the crease the last few years, and maybe that has something to do with improvements in the team in front of him.
I didn’t see it skimming the rest of the thre thread, but what are people’s thoughts on Schneider? I’ve only seen him play a few games this year, and honestly, I simply don’t remember them. It would seem the Canuck fans are pretty confident in him though, yes?
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this is it
if you are the coach and you have to pull your starting man for more than a period in a rough game, it’s bad.
Schneider though is an amazing goalie. He’s really taking stock in Rollie Melansen’s style and his positioning is excellent on nearly every shot. The guy makes almost no amazing saves, because he never has to.
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So then would that make Luongo the broken prophylatic?
immature i know
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
If Schneider is starting games we’re probably toast. Not that he’s bad, but if Lu is giving up enough to warrant not starting we’ve probably lost like 3 in a row or something
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Honestly, it is one way or the other.
If you guys win three in a row to start the series, it would probably be a good idea to hand the kid a playoff game.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
I was actually thinking about that too
If that ever does happen, I would be for that. But I really don’t see that happening
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
LoL... I'm going to hope it doesn't happen, that's for sure.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
I bet he's available as a backup for us for next year though.
probably cheap, too.
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.929 SV%
2.23 GAA
in 25 games
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"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
Seriously
Cory Schneider is about as relevant to the Canucks’ Cup chances as I am.
I don’t see what this accomplishes, other than maybe planting seeds of doubt in Reboundo’s head.
We like our people!
well
during the regular season, Roberto acknowledged that Schneider pushed him to be better by playing so well himself.
But I agree. Come playoffs, it’s different and this sort of talk plants the wrong ideas in your starter’s head.
But puppetmaster was just asking about Schneider’s play this year, that’s all. I can’t believe that Schneider will see more than one or two periods.
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I very much hope to see your little Ginger Jesus
because of the obvious reasoning that we’ll have likely chased Bobby Luuuuuuuu out.
Also: which player is Lu going to grace with a hat trick this year? ;) Kaner, Toews, Byfuglien. You Canucks are so generous ;)
Stals will be graced with the hattie
maybe Johnson too :)
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i don't think
it will be Byfuglien.
And you are welcome. Canadians try to be welcome and polite!
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no
I was just pointing out the people Lu has gifted with a hattie. One for Kaner, one for Byfuglien, one for Tazer…so who is on Lu’s gift list this year?
I know stacie will appreciate a Stals hattie.
Hey man, I dont know if you noticed or not, but this is a Canucks blog now. Please take your Hawks related questions elsewhere.
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Please take your Hawks related questions elsewhere.
Tried to at JJ’s site, but that place got overrun too…
so then just tell the Canuck fans to get off your lawn
cranky old man
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by puppetmasterp on Apr 12, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I'M SORRY
I can’t help that you’re cool.
Coconuts go.™
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I'd like to see
a Sharp – Toews – Hossa reunion tour.
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions
but when bolland returns
bolland-kane-?
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by justforkicks on Apr 11, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Brouwer (hopefully)
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well my thing is, I want Bolland as the checking line in the playoffs
can’t do that with Kane imo.
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by justforkicks on Apr 11, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I would find this much inspirational
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 11, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey I sent you some music suggestions
though I waxed nerdish halfway through. Hopefully there’s something useful in the first few, though — finding music that is epic and awesome is hard enough but then having it work for a video is MUCH harder than I thought.
Holy shit
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. How did I not think of this
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 11, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there is a metallica version of that too
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 11, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be the awesomest thing ever
but when I tried looking for it, it just looked like intro music (as in just an excerpt of the song)
I think Im going to try to find a good orchestral version
of Ecstacy of Gold. That one jumped out at me as a perfect one for the start of the playoffs
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 11, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Well there is one that's got a cello instead of that creepy vocal
I think it was a Yo-Yo Ma album. If you want to get away from the Ennio Morricone-ness of it a bit. I’ve got the MP3 for that one too.
send it please
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 11, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it's not as epic as the original
Maybe if there’s a live version somewhere…
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2743852/Unknown%20Artist%20-%20Track%2012.mp3
Metallica
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmtzRo-Qro8
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 11, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that Yo-Yo Ma on the Cello
I dont know if it is possible to shred on a Cello, but if it is, that guy does. He does a great version of I think it’s Cello Suite No. 1, might be one of my favorites
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 11, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
But yeah it is him
Amazing talent… I wish more classical musicians crossed genres more. There’s so much potential
THough I am currently looking for an instrumental "For WHom the Bell Tolls"
thanks for the links
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 11, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
If this series is predicated on which team's sweater is a better imitation of the Hartford Whalers'
We’re screwed.
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions
Success
I will chalk that one up as one predictor in my “Cancuks win” column
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
One question for you guys
You come off as rabid fans of the Nucks (naturally), but not crazy fucks like Van the Dan – how do you put up with his ravings over there? We have one guy that’s similar in tone and content, but he’s usually hooted off the site in short order.
I'm referring to
Some guy who always comes on after a loss and says trade Kane, Toews and Hossa, and we’ll get Crosby, Marleau and Datsuk in return…and a pony.
I don't think that's a fair comparison
I can think of some guys here that are more comparable, but the last thing I want to do is name names.
Dan is actually very rational and chill
My guess is he’s just tired of hearing all the Luongo stuff. We get a lot of irrational BS from around the league about it, as well as a lot form bandwagon fans. You have no idea how often someone who has watched the Canucks for three years (starting in the 07/08 playoffs) opines that Luongo is a bum and that he should be traded, sent down to the minors or exported to make way for Schneider. Luongo has been excellent in Vancouver and those people tend to forget that he has carried some pretty average teams to much higher levels.
It gets pretty tiring to hear that stuff at times, as we tend to see team failures as just that; team failures. Luongo was tired last year and didn’t look as solid as in years past. But that seems to be a blip rather than a decline.
I also find it hard to blame Lu for last year’s series loss. I watched game 6 and felt that Lu was really holding you guys at bay. Then the third line turned the puck over on a lazy play, creating an odd man rush which Luongo couldn’t have stopped, shifting momentum.
Actually our bandwagon fans sound a little like your “trade everyone” guy lol
I have a meme over at NM where anytime anything happens that isn’t perfect, i barge into discussions with “TRADE LUONGO!!! HE SUZZORZ!!!11 START SCHNEIDER!!!11”
I admit, I used to be a little touchy too. These days I just tune it out.
If you were all trolling us, I might just ignore SCH. But you guys are, for the most part really cool who are fun to talk hockey with, so I enjoy trading friendly barbs. You criticisms usually are fair and they don’t normally consist of “Roberta Crybaby will always suck” but “Lu is a great goalie, but he’s had focus issues in the past – he’s a question mark.” I don’t agree that he is the same guy, but it’s fair comment on your part.
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If he's tired of hearing the Lu stuff....perhaps he'd be better suited hanging out at Nucks Misconduct.
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It'd be like if people started talking up how awesome Buff was on NM
and we felt the need to go there to try to convince them they’re wrong…
But I missed most of the conversation today so I’m not really one to judge.
If you wanted to discuss that
I am sure some of us would be pretty receptive to it. Bitter lol, but willing to chat it up.
NM is pretty open. You can come over and chat. All we ask is that you don’t poop on our rug.
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Not the rug man
It really tied the room together.
Win it for Manny.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Apr 12, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
not the rug. Otherwise chuckles will have to clean up the poop. And he hates that.
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Not the rug
man.
Win it for Manny.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Apr 13, 2011 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions
That was more or less my complaint earlier.
I don’t mind him stopping by, but don’t come and endlessly assert that the Canuck players are holy beings incapable of doing wrong.
It’s grating to opposing fanbases – or maybe that’s just me…
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah... No matter how logically he presents it here, we're not going to buy it.
Not the way that he’s presenting it here.
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we don't have to buy it
the increasingly longer lengths of the posts (both his, and our responses) is honestly the only thing that got to me about those threads, and the reason i just started z-ing through all of them.
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by puppetmasterp on Apr 12, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
ditto for cliffkoroll
I got no problem with danny except for his prolixity.
I enjoy the repartee.
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meh
perhaps. A question was asked, I answered. You are free to judge as you will.
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Nah, Canuckles, you are absolutely straight-up and cool by our account.
He has been very nearly classifiable as a troll with some of the rhetoric here during the last week.
We do appreciate you being all stand-up for NM though. We like you guys, seriously.
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dan is nothing like a troll
He has been here off an on all year and I usually very level headed. He is very opinionated when discussing Lu. He does the same over at NM. I go over there and talk Hawks all the time with them and they tolerate me. Now this canuckles on the other hand……..:)
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now missy's going to think she did something
a little paranoid she’s coming after you canuckles?
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well everyone has got their own speed right?
one person’s opinionated is another persons heavy handed know it all annoying attitude. We all have different tolerances!
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by justforkicks on Apr 11, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
true
I do tend to have a high tolerance for others, but I know what you mean. Everyone gets a little tense this time of year too and it’s easy to become passionate about your beliefs.
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I thought I had high tolerance
but certain tones + the “i’ve been watching this team for x number of years” will always rile me up, so maybe I don’t. I like passion and debate but I don’t like being told or having it implied that I’m wrong just because someone says so (and certainly don’t like being condescended to), and I don’t like the implication that because I’m younger(ish) or a newer fan my opinion is invalid.
But you’re right, we’re all a bit tense right now, so that could definitely be part of why everyone is reacting so strongly!
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by justforkicks on Apr 12, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
well you clearly don't know what you are talking about :)
I usually quit reading the minute I see the “i’ve been a fan for x number of years” too. The Z button has been my best friend this year.
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lol that is probably true most of the time
i just don’t like people telling me that :p I should start doing that, once I start reading though, I’m usually compelled to see it through. That never ends well.
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by justforkicks on Apr 12, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
the z button
and also typing what you want, reading it again, then hitting the cancel button instead of post can be very cathartic
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i'm going to have to try practicing that going forward
will probably be good for my blood pressure =)
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by justforkicks on Apr 12, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Have done this a few times, too. LoL
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I understand that Stacie...
I’m just saying, we weren’t discussing Lu here. (Yes, there was the thread that was “looking at Nucks’ Goaltending” but we weren’t beating the Lu will cry again horse on our own.)
He has come over here and started the conversations, and then gotten a little irritated that we aren’t drinking the blue/green kool-aid.
I generally do like him, as he is one of the NM good guys and all, but the last few days, it has been a little over the top. I don’t think I’m alone in this, but I do understand your point.
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no worries
I see both sides. Here just drink some more of my red kool-aid. It counteracts the effects of the blue/green stuff.
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he does get a little out of control sometimes. i’ve even had to intervene a few times in the last couple years.
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How do you tell a duck to lower its head?
That makes sense
Historical context and all that – but man, he really has gone around the bend more than a few times here in the past few weeks – he also has a strange obsession to Hack’s commentary. And all this when our playoff hopes were mighty faint.
I thought it was which team's sweater/colors have been copied by the most other pro sports franchises.
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So... The Montreal Canadiens win this series?
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by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, technically, they are red, white, and blue....
If you look around Pro sport leagues, most teams that change colors for no apparent reason (cough*marketing*cough) seem to be red, white, and black now. Much like the afore-mentioned Whalers.
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Just curious
What teams/leagues have changed recently?
I for one, think that if they’re copying Hawks jerseys, they have improved for the better.
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The only two I can come up with
are the Diamondbacks and the Yotes (no black there, though). Red, white, and black is certainly a wonderful color scheme, but I don’t know if there’s any truth to the assertion that teams switching colors have switched to those colors more often than not.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Apr 11, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps not to their exact colors.
In hindsight, it was perhaps a personally driven mania, because we’ve had the Bulls and Blackhawks wearing Red, Black and White forever.
Many teams just added black and white to their color scheme with their primary color, and/or made a 3rd jersey that was black with their primary color. Even the Celtics were wearing black jerseys. I guess the Hawks were part of that “we have a black jersey” thing, too in reality.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Will try to find a list of teams that have changed from something, to something "Hawks-like"
Buffalo Sabres (went back to old colors)
Calgary Flames added black as a basic color
Hartford Whalers – Carolina Hurricanes
Minnesota North Stars/Dallas Stars
New Jersey Devils
Phoenix Coyotes
Washington Capitals
I started out with all pro sports, but was getting tired of the work involved. Above are NHL teams that have changed their colors within the last probably 20 years or so.
I know that about 10 years ago, I started to notice teams changing colors all over the place. The NBA was a little ridiculous (and, admittedly it was at the time of a lot of teams adopted “3rd jerseys” and the Hawks added the black one which might have created a bias for me, and the obsession with seeing them) with it, but the NFL had some too. Buccaneers. The Patriots and Atlanta Falcons changed their designs/color scheme to darker colors and more red in them. Baseball is a little rampant with it, too. I don’t pay as much attention to it on a regular basis, but half of the games that I have turned on in the lat 5 years, both teams are wearing some variation of Red, Black and White.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
They're not professionals
And I believe stem from one of the oldest US Hockey teams (Portland Buckaroos)…
But when you initially mentioned jersey-theft, I pictured the Portland Winterhawks. Who have not only borrowed the colors, but name and logo as well.
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
LoL.. While living out in Seattle, I got curious about them, thinking that they might
somehow be a low-level affiliate.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Wow, glad you guys seems to have given the board a healthy dose of "Troll-Off"
The official board had been completely overrun.
by CjSax on Apr 11, 2011 6:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
You mean
The blackhawks.nhl.com one?
I don’t even want to venture over to the Canucks one to see what kind of a shitshow is going on.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Aren't those the memberships
where the confirmation e-mail just reads “Good Luck”
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Godspeed
Going to those boards is risking being trapped in a bottomless pit of crazy
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Where the Todd Bertuzzi fans roam free, and every day Mark Messier hoists the cup
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been telling people on street that Roberto Luongo is the best goalkeeper of all time
that seems to rile the hockey gods
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't the greatest coup in the world be if we could get Ty Conklin in our corner on this somehow?
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Hey now
Ty Conklin is absolutely worthless a wonderful human being
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know....
Jose Theodore flat out tweeted before THE game against Dallas “Coach Q in Chicago, he knows I have his back.”
It can happen, apparently.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
still love that
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 11, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He tweeted that before the game?
He’s a badass.
by transienthawk on Apr 11, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
revisionist history!
that was actually Theodore’s response to reporters after the game, which was then tweeted. :P
Thank you... I was actually just looking to see if it was before or after.
Something I read somewhere alluded to it being before the game, even if it made more sense as a post-game comment to me, as well.
Only story I can find about it now is this one: Here. It doesn’t specify if it was before or after in this though.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
no problem
I didn’t actually see many articles discussing it, but I know it didn’t show up on twitter till after the game had ended. If I find any articles that mention it, I’ll let you know :)
hello all
just felt by popping by and saying hi while you all appear to be mellow.
i would’ve rather we had met in the 2nd round again, but oh well. looking forward to it.
Nucks Misconduct co-writer, also on Twitter.
How do you tell a duck to lower its head?
Howdy do, and I extend to you the best of luck in your fandom
Fuck your team though
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
don’t worry about the strike, i can easily guess where your allegiances lie. :P
Nucks Misconduct co-writer, also on Twitter.
How do you tell a duck to lower its head?
Heh.. while we all appear to be mellow... Did you pull VanCityDan's leash back to NM?
His appearance seems to coincide with our de-mellowing, over the last few days.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
to be honest, i’ve actually been really busy lately (visiting family, partying with boyfriend, working, final exams), so i haven’t been able to monitor him that closely.
Nucks Misconduct co-writer, also on Twitter.
How do you tell a duck to lower its head?
AHHHhhhhhhh.... That explains everything.
I hope all is going well, Missy. It’s good to see you once again, and looking forward to a good, exciting, (Hawks victory) series coming up.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Whoops....
I hope all is going well with you, throughout your business and finals!
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
thanks
wrote my last exam this morning, i’m now free for the summer :)
i should be around a bit more over the next while, although i will likely be scheduled to work during a few games….
Nucks Misconduct co-writer, also on Twitter.
How do you tell a duck to lower its head?
YOU, will be missed, sincerely.
(Send VCD to work for you, we won’t mind)
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
May the best team win
Which always struck me as ridiculous and obvious, but there you go.
Cheering for us Waylon?
that’s awfully kind of you.
See what I did there?
<3 Boobies!
#WinitForManny
Fancy lawyer trick
also, was it you who posted the link to Lonely Island/Akon yesterday? I’ve had that song stuck in my head all day.
THE SERIES IS RIGGED
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 11, 2011 7:08 PM CDT reply actions
OMG...
I’m waiting until Wed to get my hard on with all this but then I’m an old man. Hawks can repeat but then they can also get ousted by the hated VC. I hate the Canucks as much as any Hawks fan and hope we sweep the ice with their asses.
That said it could be a 7 game heart attack or a 4 or 5 game heartbreaker. Anything can happen in the NHL playoffs and has many times.
I'm sure the following Link
has been posted somewhere on this Blog
Kane Brings Back Mullett
I’m glad he did it because of how much it pisses off other fan bases
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Or he really does think it's
ridiculously good looking on him.
Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
by eightyseven on Apr 12, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
oh there's nothing sexier than a mullet
SCH's Most optimistic poster and head of Kool-Aid distribution
NM's Most thoughtful Hawks fan and closet Canucks fan
There's always hope you whiny little bitches
Mr. Jagr
Rockin’ the man perm.
Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
Well cue the constant on edge hockey watching.
Who is going to plop their ass in Luongo’s face this year?
She said, "you might be sick, but you feel alright to me."
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 11, 2011 8:47 PM CDT reply actions
Jim Pappin?
If not Brower, I think most here are hoping for Bicks and/or Stahls.
I'm hoping Bick steps up
But I’d enjoy watching Stalberg do it.
She said, "you might be sick, but you feel alright to me."
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Bickell is much more likely than Stalberg to step up to the plate on this one.
Bickell will likely be playing with some of our better players and your team has to have the puck for the guy in front of the net to be relevent. Stalberg will be playing down on the 4th line and chasing the puck around. I could be very wrong about this, but Im not sure Stalberg has the stones to go take the beating necessary to stay there for very long.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
I agree.
Bickell has been looking he won’t mind having pucks shot at him.
She said, "you might be sick, but you feel alright to me."
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 11, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see it if Bolland plays
in that case, Bickell plays a checking/counterpunch role.
Tbrow, front and center.
We like our people!
Can Tbrow be the ass that infuriates Luongo??
Let’s hope! He can be our Buff. AKA Don;t show up until the playoffs.
She said, "you might be sick, but you feel alright to me."
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 13, 2011 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Hah!
Haven’t heard his name in a long time…my last memory of his was late third period, Game 7, 1971 SCF, Hawks down 3-2 he received a pass to the right of Fuckin Ken Dryden and was so sure he had buried it his arms were up…except Dryden stuck out his leg and stoned him…But Whatever…
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Apr 11, 2011 9:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hah! Jim Pappin that is
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Apr 11, 2011 9:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps not
But I like the way he’s been storming the net recently, and taking the associated abuse that comes with it – very encouraging.
Might be splitting hairs...
…But Lu let in all 7 goals in that 2009 game 6. There was no empty netter.
Split all the hairs you want son.
Never a bad time to remind everyone that Lu bleeds like sieve.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Yeah yeah
laugh all you want, we’ll see who has the last laugh.
God i hope it’s us… :P
<3 Boobies!
#WinitForManny
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