Not Enough - Nucks 2, Hawks 0 - Canucks Lead 1-0
by McClure on Apr 14, 2011 12:54 AM CDT
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Everyone got to see what was expected tonight in the first period, which was a team possessed in front of a bloodthirsty home crowd. Two goals in the middle of the opening frame were more than enough for Roberto Luongo and his goalposts to make it stand up for the remainder of the game, and so went the game 1 of the series. Despite skating well for the final 50ish minutes of the game, the Hawks couldn't solve Borat, but tonight certainly wasn't the beatdown that it appeared it would be early on, and for the third year in a row, the Hawks are now down one game to none against the Canucks. To the salient(ish) analysis:
Observations
- The hew and cry will be regarding Dustin Byfuglien's absence from this year's team as a reason for the Hawks' failures tonight, and while it's a tired point, it's certainly worthy of note. Luongo was rarely was forced to make second stops, and the first stops he made weren't through even the slightest bit of traffic. This will have to change if the Hawks hope to make a series out of this. Bryan Bickell, Tomas Kopecky, and Troy Brouwer, we're all looking in your direction.
- Corey Crawford can hardly be blamed for either goal tonight, first on a tremendous redirection, and the second on a breakaway where his defense hung him out to dry.
- Speaking of that breakaway, Duncan Keith thoroughly dicked the dog twice in the same sequence leading up to Jannik Hansen's goal. Naturally, he took too long with the puck at the blue line and didn't feel Hansen coming on a change, though the shot he was bound to fire would have undoubtedly drawn shin pad anyway. And once he had been pilfered, he merely stood still, motioning for Crawford to head Hansen off by coming well out of his net. At the very least he could have busted his ass back and forced Hansen to one side, perhaps into the broken stick that lie motionless in the slot right in Hansen's path, for example, or even squeezed him in between himself and Brian Campbell.
- All that said, after that point, the Hawks did mount a pretty consistent attack. Luongo did make more than a few key saves, the most spectacular of which was on Campbell in the waning minutes of the first, but was bailed out by goalposts on at least three occasions.
- To that point, who remembers the names "Kesler" or "Sedin" being called for the final 50 minutes of the game?
- The power play is fucking clown shoes.
- Whether he's healthy or not, Patrick Sharp was certainly the most noticeable forward from my vantage point.
- The one fear resulting from this game is that for as much as the Hawks took it to the Canucks for the latter 2 periods, they came up bagels, and that might result in the team squeezing their collective sticks a little tighter should a bounce not fall their way. It's a far cry from the outcome we all anticipated of the Hawks being in the Canucks' heads. But for a team that struggled to score down the stretch, if the bounces continue to head in this direction, it could end up being a short series. The hope is that they get more traffic to the net and more second chances.
- Get well soon three-six.
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Lu's ass saved you
literally – how did that puck not go in?
There's always hope you whiny little bitches.
You are going to drink the red kool-aid and like it.
LoL.... YES. Once again, it was a big ass, in front of the Canucks' net, that changed the outcome of the game.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
by Powrfwd37 on Apr 14, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Didn't exactly outplay us
thats why they have a 7 game set. Fuckin Post was being an asshole tonight too
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 14, 2011 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
This "Fuckin Post" you speak of, ya think next year we might be able to fit him under the cap?
What kinda name is “Fucking Post” anyway? Korean? Didn’t know the Koreans were such good goal tenders.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 14, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Watching the Hawks hit the post was frustrating
but the Nucks hit several as well. A few inches their way and it was a certified blowout. Sure the Hawks just missed making things interesting but I wouldn’t spend too much time on this.
whens the last time you saw a team hit the pipe
4 times?
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 14, 2011 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't say for certain
because I was white knuckled throughout but I swear I remember the Nucks hitting at least three as well.
Yeah, but going back to stacie's intial point
From Kane’s stick to Lu’s Ass to the Cross Bar and then squibbling across the crease and out of harms way.
More or less sums up the way the bounces went tonight.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 14, 2011 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Let’s ignore that fact that the Canucks totally dominated the first period, made sure not to make any dumb mistakes/allow the Hawks any day light in the third and hit two posts of their own. Sheesh, even Hawk Harrelson would be embarrassed by the homerism here.
I think Stacie's been handing out her blue/green koolaide over at NM.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I don't give them kool-aid
They aren’t ledge jumpers. They are too smug and preening for that plus they just know they are going to win.
There's always hope you whiny little bitches.
You are going to drink the red kool-aid and like it.
You might have edged us inthe post category by one, possibly 2. But when you talk about a couple of elite goalies a post is pretty much the same as a miss most of the time. Still doesn’t even count as a shot on goal.
Win it for Manny!
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a post is a miss no matter what. "elite" means nothing.
shots that hit iron repeatedly throughout a contest just go to show that a game is much closer than the points on the board. that is why i don’t take much stock in what happened tonight. those iron shots mean more than you think.
Turco was good, but Crawford has a force field...
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Apr 14, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I played goal at a decent enough level to know that if you had the angle on a shot and it hits middle or outside of post it wasn’t likely to go in. Inside of post….maybe a different story. It truly is a game of inches.
At any rate, if you don’t buy what I’m saying, posts were pretty equal tonight.
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I agree. When I’m well-positioned what I always tell myself (or the shooter if he mouths off) after he hits the post is that he’s the lucky one, for missing by an inch instead of the usual mile.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 14, 2011 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions
haha, but you know YOU were the lucky one- the posts are your best friend.
I’ve hit 4 in a game before finally potting one- every time I made the iron sing it hit inside and went back out or down into the goalie’s pads. The odds of that happening are insane, I let that puck go just a little bit differently or earlier and I have 5 goals in that game (but who knows, if I have even 3 maybe I don’t shoot those or maybe the D tightens up on me so we’re really talking about “what ifs” and going in circles). As a shooter, you know you have him on that shot from that spot. As a defender, you know you can’t let that happen again and it makes your balls jump into your throat.
I guess my point is if the goalie is in position it’s a save, not a post.
by dangles we can believe in on Apr 14, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Well not really
If the goalie is in position he doesn’t need to make a save if it’s going to hit the post. I know what you’re saying from a shooters pov but it doesn’t make it accurate.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 14, 2011 9:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Puck hits post goalie was in position
But he was beaten by the shooter.
You think Samuelsson horse face didn’t beat Crawford? Come on.
What were we talking about?
So you're saying...
…that as a goalie if you think a shooter is going to hit the post you just let that one go?
Do you realize you are talking about not even an inch or sometimes centimeter of a difference and regardless the goalie has been beaten?
I don’t buy what you’re selling, when a goalie hears that iron ring his face goes white.
by dangles we can believe in on Apr 14, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Ditto for BadgerDano
Goalies make “saves” on pucks going a foot wide or high if they can. A puck hitting the post means the goalie was beaten and the shooter was off by an inch of less in scoring a goal.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
hey kesrows and flyersfaninchicago
you guys are goalies, so you say what all goalies say. don’t make it right.
We like our people!
Exactly.
Guy says he lets shots that he thinks are hitting the post go- if that one goes in off the inside of the iron and he doesn’t even have his glove or blocker up to make a save he looks like an asshole, either way that shooter is picking his spots and will do it again.
by dangles we can believe in on Apr 14, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
It’s somewhere in the middle. I can’t imagine a goalie being sure enough of his positioning to let a shot go expecting it to either hit the post or miss the net by a little.
Every shot that hits the post beats you, either because your reaction was too slow or you were out of position.
But it’s also true that if your positioning is very good, you can get beat by a shot (in reflex time) but still have done your job because if that shot was on net it would have hit you even if you didn’t move at all. Not every time, and given a stationary target the sniper eventually wins.
When I hear the shot hit the post I turn white inside and smile outside.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 14, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have yet to meet a goalie that lets a shot by that he thinks will hit the post
he might say that later (after it happens) but he is bullshitting you.
Everyone I’ve every known has a bit of a safety margin beyond the posts that he seeks to protect
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Who ever said anything about letting a shot go by?
Of course they don’t let the shot go by. But pucks get by them and go over or beside the net too and we don’t bother talking about them because there’s no way to know what would have happened if it was on target and I like to give the goalie the benefit of the doubt. Even if its more exciting, missing by a little bit is still missing.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 14, 2011 5:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you just call Crawford "elite"?
If so, thank you.
by transienthawk on Apr 14, 2011 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, I meant he has the poential to be very good. I do fear he is being pushed too far too soon.
Goalies are a lot like Dmen and Bonsai trees, they need serious nurturing.
Win it for Manny!
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Yeah, I don't think he's there yet either
But it surprised me to see ‘goalies’ up there, so I had to mention it.
by transienthawk on Apr 14, 2011 4:04 AM CDT up reply actions
He isn't there.
Luongo has been the guy (or one of the guys) for years, even with the playoff exits and meltdowns. Even with a Calder Trophy, Crow isn’t in the same league- yes he can get in shooters heads but only after he’s been tested a few times, whereas the guys in that “elite” category are already in shooters heads before the puck even drops.
Crow has a ways to go before you can mention him in the same breath.
by dangles we can believe in on Apr 14, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
"too far too soon"
Just saying, the kid has been in Rockford for four years, being groomed, and played some significant time in the NHL this year.
I don’t think that applies to him (but I don’t fault your observation at all).
I can’t really comment (with any real depth or validity) on the Canucks outside of maybe 7 games all season.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
He's 26, he's been seasoning in the A for several years
if he’s ever going to be ready, it ought to be now
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Exactly my point. Just informing out NM frenemies.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Kinda like our Schneider
I like Crawford.
Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
by eightyseven on Apr 14, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Samuelsson hit it 3 times for Van, by himself.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
You're right about that
The Nucks are who we thought they were, in the first 10. After that, it was pretty much all Hawks minus the 5 posts.
by Ban on Apr 14, 2011 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
They thoroughly outplayed the Nucks in the second period, and I think did better overall in the third. No team should expect to lose if they only give up two goals in the first ten minutes. I feel bad for Crow, he deserved better…especially from his D. And for crying out loud, how many times have we all screamed at our TV sets this year “PLEASE HIT SOMEBODY!”
On the plus side
Bicks finally started hitting people halfway through the third
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
Luck and flatulence
Lu forgot the beano.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 14, 2011 1:15 AM CDT reply actions
Either way, both goalies had strong games. Both got to hear some clang.
Little more urgency from the outset proved to be the difference…as Sam predicted.
Win it for Manny!
Nucks Misconduct's chief slab of man meat.
true enough
Well enjoy it for now and see (read) you on friday (when we beat the christ out of you fucks)
seriously though, great game and looking forward to more.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Apr 14, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
It was what we were all hoping for (for the first two). More physical than I actually expected. Canucks battoned down the hatches too much in the third for my liking (gave me deja vu).
Think Friday is gonna be a good time for all of us.
PS…you’re a douchebag ;)
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deja vu indeed
nothing has changed from game 1 of the last two years.
Turco was good, but Crawford has a force field...
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Apr 14, 2011 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Except our domination
was followed up by the Canucks managing the last two periods. If the Hawks had scored another it would have been a different game.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 14, 2011 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions
That was my take as well. Last 40 minutes were determined by the first 20, with the avoidance of humiliation the only solace to be taken from it. And if posts were 3-4 you can’t point to them even if you want to claim luck was against you.
My question about McClure’s first point, directed to those who’ve watched Bickell and Brouwer all year (and more) – is it reasonable to think they can actually meet this need? I noticed that there were times the Hawks had someone in front of the net, and there were times when they were moving the puck around the offensive zone reasonably well, but almost never both at the same time. Maybe that’s why the power play is so bad.
I’m not saying Vancouver is as good as this, and it is only one game, but I remember whenever the Flyers would play the really great Red Wings teams that Detroit would make very obvious all of the weaknesses that had been nagging at me. Watching the Hawks for 15 games or so this season I had that feeling tonight, even in the last 40 minutes.
But hopefully Friday overturns all that.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 14, 2011 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions
But they don't have the same offense as last year
Which makes VAN’s strategy more logical than in the past two years. The Hawks have had mucho trouble getting any production out of their 2nd, 3rd and forget about the 4th lines.
Third period approach looked like the coach’s choice rather than player tentativeness but I don’t know the team. I thought they should have resumed pounding the Chicago D even if it meant giving them more scoring chances. But perhaps he’s actually more confident, not less, and pacing them for 16 wins.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 14, 2011 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions
It was physical
and the refs mostly let it play out that way, except for that ridiculous dive resulting in a Seabs penalty. One of the softest whistle I’ve seen in the playoffs and completely unwarranted. If you’re gonna let ‘em play (and I’m fine with that), let ’em all go.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
Frolik
had a nice game.
I’ll see that first period in my nightmares, and I know that by the 3rd the Nucks were just protecting the lead, but I was encouraged by the 2nd period. I also take a twisted satisfaction that the Hawks got physically pummeled throughout. Strangely I’m less pessimistic about this series now than I was a few days ago. Can’t exactly explain why.
Congrats to Luongo, I thought he played very well.
Funny you say that, I feel the same as well.
I honestly expected a drubbing tonight but it turned out to be much closer than I thought. I am encouraged for the rest of the series.
"Can ANY TEAM beat the Hawks, for Christ's sake??"
--Vancouver fan
I expected a slow Canuck start. After seeing your final reg game, you guys already had the benefit of playing at playoff-like intensity.
Hell, I drank too much wathing your final game.
Win it for Manny!
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depth
Canucks have much better depth on the blue line than the last couple years.
Neither top lines were on the score sheet and the nucks scored twice. It’s like the opposite of last year. Hopefully we bring it on friday
It's not about their defense
Their D isn’t that much better than last year honestly. It comes down to their offense being much better and forcing our guys to play D, thus limiting their scoring chances.
We need to either find a way to not let them hit us
or start hitting back
There's always hope you whiny little bitches.
You are going to drink the red kool-aid and like it.
THANK YOU!
I was shouting that all game. I’m usually not about the violence, but getting out-hit like that was downright discouraging. You’re not going to beat a team that if you don’t hit back or aren’t smart about evading hits.
What’s bad is, when we had a chance to check, we either passed it up or made a half-assed attempt that felt like a love-tap. If you’re going to hit, hit and make it known. That’s not to say you should get out of position, but if you have a nice, clean check, for the love of God, take it!
I will admit I like the violence in hockey
but you could just tell it was taking it’s toll on the guys. It’s hard to get into a rhythm when you are getting bitch slapped into the boards on every play.
There's always hope you whiny little bitches.
You are going to drink the red kool-aid and like it.
Was different seeing the Canucks the more physical team in the series.
Win it for Manny!
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I've always felt they were the more physical team
But they were the more out-of-position team as well. This time around, the Hawks aren’t delivering the hits nor are they being smart defensively.
Ha
Not surprising I saw us not going out of our way to make hits. I’m normally the first one to yell at the TV for forcing a hit. I liked the way they played the body. Took advantage when it was there, but didn’t chase.
I noticed more Chicago’s lack of physical play.
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You guys were definitely after Johnson
There's always hope you whiny little bitches.
You are going to drink the red kool-aid and like it.
Glad he's ok
I have no idea how Kop got messed up though. I recall him getting mounted and supposedly that’s what caused his injury. What a weird way to get messed up, especially from a guy that takes much worse and doesn’t miss a beat.
For as much shit as I give him, he’s not too bad on the 3rd/4th line, and he definitely produced last playoffs.
No surprise
I recall him getting mounted
Ever been humped by an orca? I have. Still can’t walk right.
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Agreed on all points.
Already tired of the Dustin Byfuglien talk before it happens. Crawford was great, as was Lu. The bounces just didn’t go our way tonight. The Hawks rebounded from a miserable 1st. Not worried at all. Those shots on iron will go in.
Turco was good, but Crawford has a force field...
I think Ladd was missed more than Big Buff
Ladd would have done his damndest to even up the hitting
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
I think
we’ve mostly agreed on that all year. If I could have wished for room under the cap for just one more guy, Ladd would be that guy, hands down.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
nobody talks about Versteeg anymore
but he woulda potted one.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Apr 14, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah that's the rep
but he was a +23 with the Hawks over the past two seasons. :- p
We like our people!
Much to the chagrin of my fantasy team
Versteeg’s +/- really took a nosedive this year. I didn’t see enough of his games to give a good explanation why.
"Get well soon three-six."
How true that is. Hopefully his marbles are good and ready to go by Friday or else this may me a much shorter series than we all anticipated.
Couple thoughts
- Have you guys heard anything about Kopecky? I saw the play where it’s thought he was injured… and I just can’t see an injury there. Was he playing with some kind of nagging injury that might have been aggravated?
- Canucks had one hell of a lot of hits this game, if the totals I saw can be believed. Pleasant surprise that they were that physical, but I honestly don’t think they’ll keep it up. I expect the hitting to subside somewhat from here on… though it’d be nice if it didn’t.
- Holy crap there was a lot of iron smacked, by both sides.
- Luongo may have been a good part of the win and the Sedins / Burrows may have been pretty quiet, but I thought the depth guys really stepped up and proved their worth – Higgins, Hansen, Oreskovich, Glass, etc
- I’m really surprised by how few penalties were handed out. Don’t think there were many more that needed to be called, both teams were pretty disciplined. Not many nasty moments on either side (didn’t like Kane’s slash on Hamhuis at the end of the 3rd, though).
Ought to be a good match Friday!
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The one slash/high stick on Johnson
Was my only true point of “WTF REFS!?”
by transienthawk on Apr 14, 2011 4:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I still can't believe they got Brouwer for goalie interference
When in the first, one of the twins was literally laying on top of Craw. Not that I was looking for a penalty on that, but when they let that go, I figured they were going to let that stuff go all game. Not calling it in the first and then calling it in the third is shitty
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
Brouwer was called for Interference for his push/throw of Bieksa (into Lu), not Goalie Interference.
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From the boxscore
http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/boxscore.htm?id=2010030151
18:03 CHI Troy Brouwer : Interference on goalkeeper – 2 min
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
I would have
Certainly not called it that
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
But if that's what they're going to call.....
bullshit
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
Should have called it
regular interference
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
that
was not really goaltender interference. Probably regular, but not goaltender for sure.
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#WinitForManny
Wow... thank you for the correction.
I didn’t hear anyone of the pbp folks, or catch the call as being GI.
IN that case… BS. I have no grief with them calling it interference. It was.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
that was when Crawford got up and shoved him right?
like seeing Crawfords fire and glad he wasn’t intimidated and/or thrown mentally from that – which was what i expected
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by justforkicks on Apr 14, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I think VAN outhit us something like 2 - 1 in the 1st
Which could be expected for the first half of that period, but they really appeared shy on contact the rest of the way. But I find it encouraging that the twins were almost invisible yesterday – and that was without the Rat on the ice.
Overcalls
ruined the Det/Pho game for me.
Coconuts go.™
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by eightyseven on Apr 14, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
My third period thread comment after the game
Actually, I’m not blaming anybody for any of the goals (RE KEITH)
Just one player for constantly giving the puck to VAN. He is a good D man, but his inability right now to do much with the puck but stretch passes, whether there or not, is hard to watch. It really is just a long turnover or chance for the other team to regroup/change/have puck possession. He’s better than that. I know it and so does he.
Keith should be one of our our best players, but Seabrook, Keith, Campoli, and even Leddy look smarter with the puck right now. I would say that his puck possession game is at an all time low. His D is still pretty awesome.
With Seabrook, Campbell, Hammer, Campoli, Leddy, Hossa, Toews, etc., they stayed in a game they probably should not have been. Allowed only two goals to the juggernaut. It could have been worse after the 1st, but they had the advantage for a lot of the 2nd and 3rd, not to say VAN didn’t get there chances too, but all those posts and scrambling saves make me think VAN will be worried.
Kaner! I want more shots. Boink one of Luongo’s ugly helmet for me dude. I’m buying!
What were we talking about?
AHHHH!
Keith should be one of our best players,…Keith… that should not be there.. Strike his name from the pat of the sentence. Damnit!
What were we talking about?
Too much vodka in the OJ this morning, Laarms?
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Fucking late playoff games
When will the NHL fugure out that staying up til 1:00 is bad for Laaarmer? All games should be played in Toronto. It’s a Neutral site anyway and goal reviews could be done on site. It would be more convenient for me. Why can’t they see this?
Fucking Bettman.
What were we talking about?
HAH!
That was great. “Toronto is a neutral site.” Perpetually. The Switzerland of the NHL. And Florida would be Monaco.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 14, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
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Woke up today and mistakenly put on 670 The Score
Just to hear a caller pine for John Scott to get on the ice with Toews/Kane. Only to hear Mully and Hanley, who somehow produce a show worse than the Afternoon Saloon, agree.
So, I’m officially banning M & H from talking hockey. I really dream of a world where someone sees me in my Hawks hat and we can have a conversation deeper than concepts like ‘effort’ and ’ you got da punch dat guy in the face’ Shows like that make this dream impossible
/dan bernstein rant off
Same reaction here
I think I listened a little longer and Mully said someting about putting Beach in the lineup…then the radio went off
and by "off"
do you mean went sailing across the room and into a wall with extreme prejudice?
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
apparently Jesse Rogers was being slammed with Tweets asking where John Scott was or why he wasn’t dressed. He made a comment about it and said enough already.
Umm how about he doesn’t have the skill level to be on an active roster for the playoffs?
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meatheads...
enough to make the thobbing pain in my hand worse. Nothing like cutting a vein and blood vessel
Grasping for straws
i think it’s a commona hockey lament that we weren’t physical enough, whenever we lose. Judd sirott pointed out on one of his post game shows this season, that last year callers we’re constantly calling in complaining about that.
We may not have had the number of hits the Canucks had last night, but i wouldn’t say we played passively. It seemed, and I’m probably wrong, a few of the Canuck assassin’s could have been called for boarding. They were head hunting at center ice a lot also.
I’ll take a player like Ben Smith every day of the week, and twice on Sunday, in the playoffs. Although, I think one of the Hawks needs to have word with tanner Glass – didn’t like the way he hung a leg on RJ – is hanging a leg like that a penalty?
if we’ve digressed to the point that we think John Scott is the answer – were in a heap of trouble. It was a good effort, good goal tending and a few noticiable bright spots. Frolic had one of his best games as a Hawk – Hossa had 6 shots on goal – even Hjarlmarrson and Leddy looked ok out there. we definitely need to eliminate a few bonehead plays (Vancouvers 2nd goal comes to mind.
One last point – I think it’s time to move Hossa back to the 2nd PP unit – If Brouwers ok I’d like to see 22/67/81. Kudos to Brouwer for coming back so soon – I’m wondering how injured that shoulder still is.
VAN certainly tried to light him up
I think it was Bieksa for tried mightily for an open – ice smackdown, but barely missed. Too funny.
Speaking of open ice hits
What game and who was involved, in that check that Kop dodged last year and the two opposing players clobbered each other?
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It was Carcillo running into Jeff Carter
in the Finals
by transienthawk on Apr 14, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
And it led to the best miked up line of the year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Nv6sLw_AY
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if you want brouw on the 2nd unit with hossa
who are you putting on the first unit? Or were you talking about 22-67-81 as an even strength line?
I’ve been beating the bad powerplay personnel decisions drum for a while now, who knows if Q will make changes.
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Power play
Toews / Kane/?, (I guess that leaves 25, 82 if healthy or 29 – their job with our first unit is pretty clear – get your butt in front of the net.) I just think we need more balance. In my mind you need a puck control player on the second unit. It’s hard to take the puck away from Hossa and if you do try he’s good at reading the whole ice.
While I agree with this thread that playing Scott or Beach is a freaking bonehead move
I think taking a roughing penalty or just throwing at the end of the game to show you aren’t going to take getting knocked around to the tune of a 2-1 margin
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
As a Canuck fan
I would love to see John Scott on the first line.
That would be like a powerplay for the Canucks every time that unit stepped on the ice.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
also off-ice entertainment
during interviews, he would boast about beating the crap out of someone, with Toews rolling his eyes and engaging in epic facepalms in the background
<3 Boobies!
#WinitForManny
Honestly, if he were on the ice with the first line, you can almost guarantee that sometime
in the first period, somebody on the ice in a Canucks uniform would wind up very, very bloody.
Would rather not see him play. He isn’t useless, but he isn’t fast. At all.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
"He isn't useless"
thats as much of a backhanded compliment as I’ve seen in a while.
<3 Boobies!
#WinitForManny
As a 6th D
he’s serviceable but other than that he’s just way to slow… Def should never be a forward.
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Crow
While he cant really be blamed, eddie , made a good point about not hitting the stick at the end of the hawks pp. i didnt hear it so no d got back to end it.
no harm
no foul. Bieksa didn’t score on that play. Crow was pretty damn good last night
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Dear Kaner
on Friday – SHOOT THE FUCKING PUCK!!! I seem to remember good things tend to happen when you do.
by Chris Roberts on Apr 14, 2011 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He has such a good shot
I hate yelling shoooooot but found that i did a few times last night with him and the opposite when Keith had the puck
No kidding!
The kid seems to delight in making the perfect pretty pass, which is great, but man, several times he had the opportunity to take a shot with no one between he and Lu and instead he passed off. That pass to Sharp, in the first I think, was a perfect example. The pass was difficult to make and nearly impossible to receive by Sharp. Don’t force those passes Kaner when you have a wide open shot opportunity.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I almost threw the controller when he had that 2-1 with Sharpie toward the end of the first.
Low percentage flip pass when, if memory serves correct, he had Bobby Lu goin down. I hate to be the SHOOT! guy too but come the fuck on Kaner!
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there was another
scoring chance similar but that one had me beating my head against the wall
by Chris Roberts on Apr 14, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
bah
the game didn’t go as bad as i anticipated. i really felt like that opening period, they had the jitters and couldn’t compose themselves (i blame the inexperience of 1/2 the team). passing was abominable, and for some reason nobody could stay on their skates long enough to ever enter the van zone.
after our bad 1st, things stared to even out. we just didn’t get the bounces in our favor (im talking about several of those prime scoring chances that rung off posts, or open net with a shot into someones skate). thats just karma we are building up for game 2.
that said, we better not have a crappy first period friday and build off the momentum. gotta get one past lou and give the new hawk guys some confidence. btw, why does watching bickell play make me want to grind my teeth into dust?
Double BAH.
That first period had its ups and downs. Soupy was making me as nuts as anyone.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
btw
anyone notice that (other than his cough up leading to the 1st goal) leddy seemed to be the most composed person on the hawks d? i recall a few times he calmly shielded the puck with pressure.
Yes me, I noticed.
Leddy was good with the disc last night. Good to see.
What were we talking about?
Unreal that Hjammer only played 14 mins last night.
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sorry
but i am chalking up his performance this year to sophomore slump. i believe in hammer, but he just doesn’t seem as loose as last year.
very creepy to see the d lines go into immediate shuffle mode. i feel like that added to the panic in the first, but what u gonna do?
I can believe it, he only deserves those type of minutes
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
Yeah I don't understand Q
If he can be quick to bench someone for boneheaded play, it’d be nice if he could play someone more if he’s having a good game…
by VerStig on Apr 14, 2011 10:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
random thoughts
1. We’ve been wringing our hands about the Hawks lack of physical play for three years. Brouwer (0 hits) isn’t 100% and said so after the game. I recall the beating the Hakws took in Calgary some weeks ago, and it seems to me this is the template.
2. First period was super fast playoff hockey. Yeah, the Nucks had a nice edge, but man it was fast. I thought some of the young guys (Frolik, Leddy, and particularly Smith) struggled with the pace early on, but then they settled down.
3. Lu played great.
4. I thought Toews was a monster again., but not nearly enough “I AM MARIAN HOSSA AND YOU’RE NOT”.
5. I wanted to punch the 17,000 fans at Rogers in the collective dick. Then I thought: This has been a long-time coming for them. The last playoff game they won against the Hawks in their building was game 1 two years ago. That’s right, 5 straight kicks to the crotch, including Buff and Toews hat tricks etc. So yeah, this is what it must have felt like to be a Vancouver fan the past two years.
6. I think Soup and Dunc share equally in goal #2.
7. Barry Rozner scaling new heights of douchitude this morning.
8. Help us, Bollie Rat Kebollie.
We like our people!
Just read Rozner's column
Why? I’m a masochist clearly.
In one part of the article he claims that “The Hawks — 15th in hits during the regular season — might need to think about dressing John Scott.” and called the game " nothing short of embarrassing."
However, in the same column!!! he says " the Hawks were the better team the final two periods, which bodes well for the rest of the series"
So let me get this straight. The Hawks playing the #1 seed, President trophy team who lead or nearly lead in every major category this year controlled the game for 2 periods YET clearly John Scott is the solution.
Barry Rozner, you suck.
by Northside_Dan on Apr 14, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha thanks
I’m not a lawyer, but I do have a worthless double major in political science and history which I’m obviously not putting to any use at all.
How Rozner keeps his job is baffling.
by Northside_Dan on Apr 14, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Did not realize we had won 5 straight playoff games in their building. This actually makes me feel a bit better about last night. You know that streak had to end some time.
Plus, the fact that we gave up nothing after that inital onslaught is encouraging, especially since the Hawks did not play a particularly good game.
(Just looking for silver linings wherever I can find them. Hey, where’s Stacie. I think I need some of that koolaide this morning!)
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according to you I am serving it to the NMers :)
There's always hope you whiny little bitches.
You are going to drink the red kool-aid and like it.
I need some of the red variety.
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the next batch will be ready tomorrow morning
I think I need to make it stronger, faster, and less turnoverish
There's always hope you whiny little bitches.
You are going to drink the red kool-aid and like it.
or
just add more vodka
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I wish I could rec this
All VERY good points.
I think last year some teams tried to take us off our game with physical play too. The difference is we were able to make them pay with it. For whatever reason we don’t have the depth/energy/ability to do so this year.
We also were able to turn it up a notch when needed. I hate to say it but losing Buff and Ladd and gaining Bickell means we’ve probably lost that extra notch on our scale.
by VerStig on Apr 14, 2011 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and our 4th line too
in terms of physical play, Eager+Burish > RJ17+Stals… not saying one is better than the other but it is a different template
by VerStig on Apr 14, 2011 10:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
thought once kane moved back with toews
he did well, and while he did some something things like passing when he should shoot, I distinctly remember at least one shift where he had the puck and got away from everyone. i think when he threw to sharp and he whiffed it? hopeing he busts out on Friday, and everything crossed that bolland is back (though it seems the Toews line was really good against the Sedins?!)
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by justforkicks on Apr 14, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
point 6
I thought the same thing – not a good time to play hot potato with the puck – still Keith has got to be more aware. I’ve always been a big Keith supporter – but he looked tenative out there last night. Not his best game – but when yopu play almost half the game night in ann night out, i guees your going to see a few more mistakes.
One last thing – our imaginary lack of physicality seems to be on the Blue line. Vancouver’s d-men are much more physical – our fowards finished quite a few checks last night.
Hitting?
That’s what they need? This kind of shit is what makes people ME lose it.
What they need are goals. G O A L S
Go ahead and hit them. Finish your checks. Out hit 2-1. Add up all the hits, and then add up all the goals. Do hits lead to goals? Yes, sometimes. However, when you think and try to hit hit hit, those goals will go against you often as you will get out of position – a la St Louis.
Need 40+ shots Friday. Shots from everywhere. Hard and low and pick the rebounds. 32 was not enough. More shots and more bumps of Luongo (Like Hossa).
What were we talking about?
by laaarmer on Apr 14, 2011 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think we're saying that
I don’t want them to start wheeling around the ice taking stupid penalites, but too many liberties were being taken with our D – Men in the corners and Tazer. When the other team is lighting up your best player, do the same with the twins.
Those two were held in check.
What got them there goals was overcommitment by their opponent and puck movement.
This was a close game. Closer than those far away canadians wanted and they know it. I would hope we build off this fact. Play the same game, move the puck smart and possess the puck.
What were we talking about?
Agreed
But I still don’t want to see guys taking half – rink runs at our D – men, or at least not if the refs are going to keep the whistles in their mouths about boarding calls. If that’s the way the series is going to be called from here on out, then let’s make the necessary adjustments.
this is not the Hawks game
getting outhit is a problem, but it was a problem last year too, and the Hawks won the Cup.
I’d hate to see Q panic and go all AV and try to make this team something it’s not.
It’s a bitter pill, but there it is.
We like our people!
I think McClure made the best point about this
On the latest thread – the way the VAN players were leaping about, it’s ridiculous that no boarding calls were made.
Edzo also complained about a lot of early/away-from-puck hits
It is playoff hockey so I don’t think they should all be called, but maybe last night was a little excessive.
by VerStig on Apr 14, 2011 10:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought charging more than boarding
but my only real complaint with the officiating is that they switched gears. In the first two periods it was clearly anything goes and then they called it tight late. It affected both teams but it was still annoying.
I don't want hitting
for the sake of hitting.
What I do want is to see guys finish their checks. Several instances where the Hawk had a chance to do that and did not.
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Dude
If I could rec that 1000 times I would. So so so so so so so so so so so so so very true.
Hossa would be nice… If he could actually create on his own…
Or Kaner could shoot
But yes post of the day, thank you for writing it
by TurdFurgeson on Apr 14, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
not necessarily
I think most people want to punish defensemen when they go back to retrieve the puck, and maybe a few good open ice hits when they’re there.
I’m not gonna go all Edzo-meatball on you and say that we need to shove a few guys into luongo to send a message.
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Biscuit bumping one of the Uglies out of the play
was one of the good ones
by VerStig on Apr 14, 2011 10:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
never played ice hockey
baseball-football guy
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One point I forgot to mention last night
If it’s anyone other than Sharp with Kane on the 2-on-1 in the first, or the 3-on-2 in the second, is there any way in hell he tries to force to those passes to him?
I think not.
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this is more observation than excuse
but it appears to me that Kane makes much more sound decisions when coming up the right side rather than the left, 2 on 1s included. But I agree, that he probably doesn’t force that unless Sharp is the guy skating up with him.
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No reason to force that pass, even to Sharp
Take the f’ing shot especially when you’re down 2-0.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
It's like
sometimes he forgets he Scored the Cup winning goal.
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Particularly since it's Sharp, take the shot
because he’s the most likely to pop in the rebound if there is one.
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The Toews line
Pretty much murdered the Sedins last night. I don’t think Henrik won a faceoff at all against that line.
AV wasn’t playing them nearly as much (16 and 17 minutes each, pretty far off what they normally play), but that was more because Kesler was taking the Toews line at the end. To me they didn’t look particularly interested in the game. Grumble.
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
He won at least 3
Because Hank was 0-3 against him
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
A few thoughts
1. I’m already sick of the “Who is going to be this year’s Buff” talk. We don’t have Buff, we don’t have anyone even remotely close to him. So why would we want to take away someone else’s skill set to try to make them do something they can’t? They have speed, drive hard to the net and if you get some contact there with Lu, then great, but you aren’t going to be able to plop Kop or T-Brow in front and expect the same results you got with Buff.
2. The Hawks aren’t going to start hitting. That isn’t their game and really they don’t have many players who can put on a hit. Brouwer, Bickell and Biscuit would be the only 3 I think who could play a physical game and not be out of their element. I do think they need to play more physical on the Sedins.
3. Yeah, it sucks that we don’t have Ladd, Madden, Buff, Sopel and all those guys but stop trying to say who is giong to be this years Sopel, or Buff, or Ladd. Those guys are gone and the guys we have now aren’t the same players and we can’t expect the same type of play.
4. This is a speed team and got their chances last night on counter rushes into the Van zone. This needs to continue minus letting 2 in early.
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