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Excellent work yet again
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Apr 18, 2011 1:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Brilliant!!!
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
Pretty much says it all
But they still really care about concussions.
But Torres stands above all!
I just saw this while going through the game photos on nhl.com.
For a guy who never leaves his feet, Torres looks like he’s at a carnival on the Gravitron ride.
Damn these anti-gravity skates!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 19, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
ohmygod Gravitron.
That used to be my favorite carnival ride. Rec’d for nostalgia.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
But wait....
Campbell IS all covered in shit. That confuses the analogy, but still well done. Hell, there’s even a shiny grail and a palace of horny virgins to the victor to boot.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
The NHL Wheel of Justice has struck again.
I just don’t get it.
So it isn’t ok to hit someone in the head, unless they are in the designated “head hit zone” behind the net where these hits have historically been MORE dangerous (youtube Downie/McAmmond, or Eaves destroyed)?!
If Seabrook stays down, Torres gets 5 and a misconduct.
If Seabrook leaves the game for any time period or actually has a concussion diagnosed by the team doctor, Torres gets 3-6 playoff games.
But because he got back up, because he played the rest of the game, the very FACT that Torres attempted and successfully executed the same exact type of hit that got him suspended a week ago is lost.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What complete and utter garbage.
I guess the lesson here is, keep your head up and on a swivel, even if you haven’t touched the puck while you are in the designated headshot zone.
by dangles we can believe in on Apr 18, 2011 2:17 PM CDT reply actions
This
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Apr 18, 2011 2:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
nhl justice doesn't exist
we should take out one of the sedin’s with a hit like that. the league is quickly turning into the nba on skates with the poor officiating and inconsistent secondary punishments. and the obvious effort to make it a star driven league. i wish that fucking piece of shit torres would run at scott like that, oh i think i saw him run away from scott. what a pussy he is!!!! after the non call on the boland hit , I’m just completely frustrated.
what's next?
Star driven?
Not as long as they keep allowing bottom – feeders like the Torres of the world blatantly attempt to injure of the league’s premier defensemen. Not too many “stars” are going to be left in the league if this kind of shit’s going to happen without any repercussions. And here I thought after Crosby’s second concussion they were really going to get serious about this issue – they don’t call it the stupid league for nothing.
Good luck
Catching one of the Sedins with his head down like that.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't get how this is nothing but Stoll's yield's a one-gamer
Same spot on the ice, same basic principle.
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not the same
Stoll hit – directly from behind right in the numbers
Torres hit – hits him high, but from the front. Seabrook looking besides and down in a vulnerable position.
I agree though, it seems asinine that one is suspendable and the other isn’t. By the letter of the law, the Torres hit was just interference. Brutal interference. That doesn’t mean the law is correct or appropriate. Personally I thought Torres should have got about 5 games just for the violence of the interference on a vulnerable player.
That's what I don't get about all this talk about Rule 48
It’s a head hit. The first point of contact is to the head to an unsuspecting player. Plus, it doesn’t matter if anyone feels that Seabs should’ve been checking his rear view mirror, the rules state that the checker needs to take the vulnerability of the player into consideration. Isn’t that part of the reason why Hjalmarsson got suspended?
The league is avoiding the true issue by falling back on Rule 48 as their “out.” Smoke and mirrors.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 18, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Rule 48 is half-assed attempt at window dressing on concussion safety
and was criticized as inadequate by many when it was implemented.
There’s no blanket ban on headchecking in the NHL. Rule 48 only applies to “lateral or blindside” hits. The Torres hit wasn’t either, while the Hjalmarsson hit was lateral.
Right or wrong, that’s how it is right now. I’m of the opinion the rules on headchecking are totally useless and confusing to the players. Nobody knows what “the line” is, hence it’s not a useful rule.
It is hard to stomach.
The trouble with these types of violent collisions is that the receiving team and fan base gets upset, while the other team and its fan base minimizes. Flip the hit around, and we’d be just as hot and bothered as the hawks and fans are … whether the game was won or lost. Bottom line for me is players know the danger zones and need to be aware. Won’t stop every hit, but they have a role in the collision too.
One more thing … So does the Hawks coaching and medical staff in this matter, maybe even moreso. If the Hawks team was as concerned for Seab’s health, why the fuck did they put him right back out there to get popped again? Certainly the player may have said ’I’m fine, good to go," but frankly, the lack of intervention by the Hawks coaching and medical staff, given the violence of the hit, was appalling. Makes it hard to argue their case, when they willingly tossed Seabs back into the pond to be crunched again.
Makes Coach Q a tad hypocritical this time around .. even tho I like him. I’d also feel the same way about Coach AV if this happenned the other way around. Shit happens on the ice. But once it has, surely we can agree that clearer heads ought to be putting safety first once a hit like this occurs.
Just my take on it.
Good luck in Game 4. Your team is too good to lay down in 4. So is its heart.
by Nux4Ever on Apr 18, 2011 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is just blatantly idiotic
So the hit wasn’t bad because Seabs got up? But if it happened to your team you’d be hot and bothered? Shit happens on the ice?
You don’t make any fucking sense.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 18, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
seabs should be aware
and torres shouldn’t be taking advantage of cluelessness by targeting heads, he could’ve easily laid an enormous body check and I wouldn’t have had a single problem with it.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no way he hits him without hitting his head
He didn’t target his head when you watch the video it’s clear he’s going shoulder to shoulder and ends up hitting his head because the player is following the puck with his head down. Not the first time this player has done that.
If you all want to advocate taking hitting out of hockey than that’s one thing, but you can’t like hitting then turn around and scream for a suspension cause it’s your guy that got rocked.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Seabs head took all of the impact
In fact it was the first thing that got contacted. Raffi didn’t even attempt to lower his shoulder, i think its fair to say he meant to hit him in the head. Shoulder to shoulder? Nah, he caught him on the inside on purpose, I am fairly sure.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say
He tried to hit him in the middle of his body and lay him out rather than just hit his head. If he was truly head hunting he could taken a half step to his left.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
If he wasn't known for these kinds of hits
I might give him the benefit of the doubt. But unfortunately, his history suggests that he aims for the head and I don’t think this is any different.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't leave his feet
He doesn’t stride into him, he doesn’t raise his elbow. and he hits him square as the puck arrives. The fact that a head got hit is on Seabrook. Which is why there was no suspension. Given his history you know they looked hard at this.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
if seabrook had turned his head
He would have gotten hit in the face.
Not to mention Seabrook hadn’t even played the puck yet! How are you supposed to reach a puck when you can’t look at it?
Torres has been making runs like for a while, I am sure he knows what he’s doing and how not to look obvious doing it.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
You're still allowed to hit a guy square.
Again. If he had taken a half step to the left he would have been targeting his head. It’s right there in the photo to see.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
if he wanted to be obvious about it
Why be obvious about targeting the head when you can do the same damage this way? He knows what he’s doing.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You are giving him way too much credit.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think so, hes been playing like this for years.
The guys is a goon, he makes dangerous plays. He could have lowered his shoulder STILL delivered an immense hit, and not contacted seabs head. I said it earlier, but he attempted decapitate campbell on the boards as well. Your team is better off without him. The guy makes his living with the big hits, I get it, but he has to adapt his game and realize he cant go around blasting peoples heads off.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The bottom line is this...
Torres will get his.
Somewhere, someday- might not be against the Hawks, might not be in this series, might not even be this season- but players watch stuff like this and know what guys are all about and the fact of the matter is Torres is all about bullshit like this.
You can defend this hit until you are blue in the face, but there will be others as long as his career continues because that is his role.
For the sake of you Nucks fans you’ll just hope he isn’t on your roster (and there really isn’t much of a reason for him to be, there isn’t a discernable talent there) when he does get his.
The most retarded part about this is the fact that supplementary discipline is supposed to eliminate the kind of frontier justice I just mentioned- in its absence though, that is really all that is left.
by dangles we can believe in on Apr 19, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
And if he'd taken half a step right
None of us would be talking about this. You can’t have it both ways.
He's trying to blow him up.
A shoulder in the chest of a player who’s got his head down is the best way to do that and totally legal.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Both the title and body of your post are valid statements
Problem is – they’re not correlated in this instance. You post a still frame where you see shoulder to chest and I see shouder to head. Looks like we’re not going to agree. I’m not sure why you’re trying to convince everyone here to see something we don’t.
For that matter, I’m not sure why I’m trying to convince you either. You’ve obviously already made up your mind. Later.
This
except the NHL clearly stated “shouder to head” is legal as long as its from directly in front of the player, they state these hits are legal and it is up to the players to protect themselves
Stills NEVER tell the whole story
This does not show actual direction of motion of ANYHTING. It does not show puck position, Seabrook’s motion, even where he is looking, Torres direction of motion, and the motion of the bodies (like the shoulder is moving UP not lateral or stationary).
The only thing you can really get from this still is the camera is focusing in on Seabrook (least amount of motion distortion), the camera is panning left (motion distortion of known stationary objects), Torres is moving to his right and right leg is probably impacted by Seabrooks Left leg (this is why less distorion on Torres Right leg and more on Seabrook’s relative to the rest of their bodies) while his shoulder is still moving, and Seabrook is probably moving to his left (less distortion while pan is to the left as well).
It does not show point of impact, nor can you really determine the actual motion of specific points of players bodies. You can take still from Cooke’s hit (choose one) and also present it in a manner that appears to be clean (think about that and not laugh!)
But if rule 48 and the league contend the area behind the net is more free to hits, this appears to be more legit, except all the video views I have seen is Torres was not tucking his right sight for a check (which is typical for plain body hits) to avoid a high hit, but he expanding his right side which is typical for higher hits. This part of Rule 48 IMO allows the more blind side/lateral hits since the space in constricted to really allow different approaches to a check to, but it still does not by any means allow for the head to be the target. From what I saw Torres intended on hitting high on Seabs by the way his body was acting prior to the point of impact (expanding and moving upward, not tucked and stationary).
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
You’ve succeeded in confusing me.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He lost me
at the motion distortion bit.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You see how nothing is in focus!
That is caused by the camera being in motion, hence Motion Distortion, it can be useful, but can also make it very difficult to analyze photos.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're asking for a post of the video
I put a link above :)
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
For the last time
Attempting to use a strawman argument about this is fucking pathetic – don’t attempt to obfuscate the reality of what actually happened. Whether or not the Hawks medical team did or didn’t do the appropriate thing, or whether or not Seabs should have done a Chuckie Head Spin for no reason whatsoever is beside the fucking point. Will you please get out of here with that crap of an “argument.” This reeks of the usual of “while I agree it was a cheap shot, you had to agree that he had it coming to him” meathead bullshit. And guess what? When Jammer was suspended a lot of us asked for a clarification of the new rule but we didn’t attempt to minimize his actions on the ice – so no, if the tables were reversed I don’t think you’d see too many commenters around here attempting to poo – poo it. We wouldn’t be happy about it, but we also wouldn’t do this cheesy – ass attempt to deflect attention by using the hallowed “look, squirrel!” defense. Your time has a goon on the squad, period – own it.
How is it a cheap hit?
Really? He didn’t get his elbow up. He didn’t charge. He got there the same time as the puck. The result seems cheap because he ended up making contact with his head and we’re all sensitive to that but what was cheap. A forechecker has to be allowed to hit a Dman and his job is to hit him hard enough that he rushes the pass next time. Isn’t that what you want from your hitters?
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a dirty hit. He was went right for his head.
If he wanted to hit him and rock his world he could have hit him in the shoulder or took the body. Torres saw it from a mile away, he timed it just right and tried to remove Seabrook from his head.
Worse! He just came back from a suspension for dirty hits. He’s got a rep for it.
It’s indefensible.
It looks to me like he’s trying to go shoulder to shoulder and I’m trying honestly not to be bias. Obviously he makes contact with his head but watch it again. Especially the VS angle, the second angle on the replay is the clearest one to me:
http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/video-_torres_hit_on_seabrook_tonight/
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't buy that he was trying to hit the shoulder
Three reasons:
1) Torres is not John Scott – he actually has the ability to skate where he wants when he wants. If he was in any way concerned about making initial contact with Seabs’ head, he could have done something about it. That’s what makes this all the more infuriating. Just like Matt Cooke, he has all the skill to be a very productive forward, but he chooses to be a dick instead.
2) This wasn’t a Naslund/Moore situation, where Naslund noticed Moore too late and tried to back out, exascerbating the severity of his own injury. Seabrook didn’t see Torres coming at any point. He didn’t turn his body quickly to avoid a hit and put his head in harms way. His head absolutely should’ve been up, but that’s a reason to get leveled, not a reason to get decapitated.
3) This wasn’t some freak occurence in an otherwise spotless career. He’s been doing this since his Edmonton days (read: Michalek). What’s more, he just got suspended for this. And I’m pretty sure the league didn’t keep it a secret from him as to why. No blindside headshots allowed. What did he do? He publicy stated he was not going to change how he played. And it only took him one game to back up his words. Why should I believe he was targeting anything but Seabs’ head?
Because Nucks fans say so
Don’t you go targeting the poor guy for his past actions, that’s not fair at all. Why, he really plays a good hard, clean game…always. Just ask his defenders here, they’ll tell you all about it. I wish they would just admit the obvious and say that yeah, we employ a goon, and that’s the way we roll. This paragon of the Marquis du Queensbury Rules BS is so out of any coherent logic it’s laughable.
Look at the picture above
If he wanted to hit him square on the head he could have. Like I said, half step to the left.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like the dialogue from JFK
Kevin Costner: “back, and to the left…back, and to the left.” You’re parsing the entire event, when anyone else can see what happened with their own eyes, in real time.
I am looking at the picture above
And if Torres wanted to hit Seabs squarely on the head… I’d say he succeeded.
Seriously, I’m not sure how posting a still frame of Torres blasting Seabs in the head with his shoulder is supposed to support your argument.
Prior actions do not give your goon the benefit of the doubt
As it never should – this guy is a goon, and his prior actions and recent suspension underline that characterization. First game back from a idiotic cheap – shot, and he goes for the head…again. Don’t try to portray this goon as some kind of innocent Lady Bing award – winner, he’s Donald Brashear writ large, and if Nucks fans don’t want to face the truth of the matter, then just look away next time he attempts to decapitate someone.
So now any player that finishes big checks is a goon?
Headshots are not strictly the things that are illegal.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Shall we talk about your goon's past actions on the ice?
You really want to go there? Finishing checks (with your elbow up and taking a 30 – foot head start) my white Irish ass. Really, this repeated defense of the hard – hitting (but strictly legal/not dirty) goon is getting out of hand. Every time you attempt to defend this piece of garbage you only dig yourself a little deeper. First it wasn’t really a cheap shot, then it wasn’t really a dangerous hit, next it becomes well he really didn’t mean to cheap shot him look at the extra split second here then onward to equating that crap with any check made on the ice.
He did none of that here
Take a look at the photo I posted above. The fact he has a history should let you know it was a clean hit.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
The fact he has a history
and didnt get suspended.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
are you kidding me with this
Suspensions have been suspect this whole year. Hence the wheel of justice being a joke.
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by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
We've just spent
Most of the day here ridiculing the entire suspension process of the NHL and that’s your defense? LOOK AT THE HEADLINE OF THIS POST! Good grief.
Odd you and your's are biased and see no other side.
Toronto disagreed with you, Waylon. For that matter, Toronto disagreed with me too. So what? It’s done. Get over it.
Yet you ignore that your team staff continued to play him. If anyone should be owning stupidity, it’s those who are clear-headed and who should know better than to play a player they were crying ‘wolf’ about. You sound more upset about the call than your player.
At least when Kane cried, he had a reason. Unlike you, he has to play Game 4.
Even more odd
is that you keep coming back here to defend him and keep using your strawman arguments (do you even know what the term is, I wonder), when apparently it’s me that has to “get over it.” Sounds like another classic case of projection, you should get some help for that condition. After all, if it’s nothing to stew about, then why can’t you help yourself here and take your own advice? Just go back to your site and you won’t have to read my totally unfair and just plain meanie comments about your pet goon.
Wow Nux4Ever
read the title to your own post. You can’t judge this hit unbiasedly either, as you’re a fan. Here are some unbiased opinions.
And all of them say it was dirty
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
I didn't realize
we weren’t allowed to talk about this on the Hawks site. You don’t want to hear it, you can leave, and take your attitude with you.
At least when Kane cried, he had a reason. Unlike you, he has to play Game 4.
And wow real nice. You know I like a lot, if not most, the posters we get from NM here (although good lord some have godawful timing). But there’s always someone who comes in and doesn’t realize that they are a guest on this blog.
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by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Nux4ever
is a child—17 if I remember right. Don’t expect too much.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
That explains...
The exact same argument / justification, ad nauseum, with little to no understanding as to WHY or HOW someone could possibly disagree with him or see things differently.
Kid needs a prozac and a college-level course on logic.
by dangles we can believe in on Apr 19, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
we’ve been warned that they have trolls… Guess who’s not here trying to tell us this is a clean hit, the NM’ers we’ve grown to…. at least tolerate :P. I’d say we’re bein trolled hard.
IT'S.........
time for something completely brilliant.
well done
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Well you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just ’cause some water-eyed twit threw a business card at you!
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
And what stinks is that the Hawks can't even "deal with it accordingly"
In spite of Tazer’s words, if the Hawks even get close to running someone, it will be suspension city. And, of course, the Hawks won’t actually try to get even because they’re not going to risk the game on some payback. (And besides that, we’re not the Blues.)
It sure would be nice, however, if, in the course of the game when the action warrants it, someone would lay out Thing 1/Thing2/Bieksa/take your pick of their top guys/douchebags.
I’m certainly not advocating violence though. Not at all. Never.
"Dave was there!"
"Dave's a killer!"
"Dave's a mess."
this game 4
Is going to be a shit show nonetheless. I just hope we win it so they don’t finish off a sweep at the UC….
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Take an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,
then turn the other cheek and say “Kiss my ass, Torres.”
Yes, this one.
Per my understanding of scripture, this is how a good Christian should handle the situation. Can you confirm, Preach?
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 18, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The "eye-for-an-eye" bit
is from the O/T. Turning the other cheek is N/T.
As a general rule, the O/T is all full of sacrificing kids and vengeance and smiting and plagues and shit. The N/T — with the exception of The Gospel According to John (Revelations) — is pretty much forgiving and just getting along and letting God sort ’em out in the hereafter (although it could be argued that John was about letting God fuck with the malcontents, too). There are other exceptions, both ways, of course. Biblical interpretation and commentary is a bit like deciphering the NHL supplemental disciplinary process. And thus your humble deacon 334Rules brings it all back ’round to hockey.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
You're toeing a fine line here
Be aware.
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Perhaps a different historical tome...
Should Snuggles go out and treat Hank and Dank like the cyclops treated Odysseus’ men? I vote yea. He’s done dressing in the Indianhead sweater anyway.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
I won't even respond to this one except to say..
please, do not speak of that whereof you know not.
"Dave was there!"
"Dave's a killer!"
"Dave's a mess."
This is the greatest thing I've read this month
And I’m a law student who reads… a lot.
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What
You guys don’t get Maxim for the articles?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
It was just the first thing that popped into my head
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
If it is sold at a military exchange =/= Porn
Maxim is sold at the exchange = NOT porn!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I gotta believe that they are going to end up just banning head contact
Just like the league finally had to admit that trying to distinguish between valid and invalid stick contact to the head was insane in practical reality. (Remember back when the refs had to decide whether the stick contact to the face was intentional or not? Yea that worked out well.)
The game is just so different now at the NHL level, the speed/size reality of the players….Asking the refs and the league office to achieve consistency in parsing these fine points regarding checks that involve the head is just not plausible anymore. It will just always provide them with the worst-case outcome: both a steady parade of expensive talent being driven to dark hospital rooms and endless floods of criticism from fans and coaches and players over inconsistent/illogical penalties from case to case.
Meanwhile to think that making head contact flat-out illegal will “take the physical out of the game” or somesuch nonsense is just, well, nonsense. These athletes can’t knock each other off pucks while avoiding the head? Come on. Time for the NHL to realize that this open wound is just going to keep pissing away the sport’s credibility, and more and more of its top talent, until they finally decide to do the obvious.
by Paul the Fossil on Apr 18, 2011 4:04 PM CDT reply actions
You are correct sir
Every time a new rule is put into place we hear the howling from those who wish a return to the “old school” ways of the Nhl. I remember those days, particularly from the mid – 70’s when the sport was in serious danger from becoming irrelevant to all but the most ardent fans, despite the Oiler dynasty. Every team wound up having to employ at least one goon, because it became an arms race in goon – dom across the league. If you didn’t have at least one enforcer, your top players were in danger from serious injury.
So let's do away with helmets and see what happens.
Right?
"Dave was there!"
"Dave's a killer!"
"Dave's a mess."
What a about a play like this?
Where he makes contact with the shoulder and the head at the same time?
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Last time I checked....
the shoulder and the head were not in the same place. If the guy is facing you and you hit clean on the shoulder the only way the head would come in contact with the hitter’s shoulder is due to the recoil and there is nothing wrong with that….same thing if the shoulder is put square into the person’s chest. If the person is checked from the side, then there is no way to hit the shoulder and head at the same time. Stop trying to defend a player with a history of hitting people in the head who hit another person in the head and got away with it. it does not matter if Seabs was looking at the puck or at the hot chick in the 1st row…if the head is the point of contact it is no longer allowed and shouldn’t be. There can still be plenty of hard contact in hockey without the head being the point of impact. But whatever…there is nothing left to do now but move on and play game 4
not to mention
he attempted to decapitate campbell earlier and got called for charging. soups was lucky he avoided that elbow.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The rule is meant
To eliminate elbows coming from behind like Cooke on Savard. Not to protect players skating behind the net with their heads down. If Seabrook has his head up like he’s supposed to he still gets rocked but he sees it coming and gets ready for impact.
I’m not trying to be harsh but the line between big hit and illegal hit is not as definitive as you’re making it seem.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree he should have his head up
but that rule should only apply when you have the puck. He shouldn’t be held accountable because some idiot wants to take a run at you when the mere act of hitting a player without the puck is a penalty in the first place.
But the puck was right there
Why is the hitter held accountable for the player being hit not controlling it. That’s his objective. In fact by the time he makes contact the puck is past Seabrooks stick.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the only point upon which we agree
And I may be the only Hawks fan that will, so enjoy it while you can…
I thought the same thing when Havlat got leveled by Kronwall 2 years ago. The hitter can’t be held accountable for the player missing the puck in that split second when they’re about to get hit.
That said, the hitter absulotely can be held accountable for head shots. No place in the game for it.
Once again...
It doesn’t (nor should it) matter whether or not the player sees it coming. They can still get rocked without someone trying to dislodge their grey matter from their torso. If the only thing that mattered was whether they see it coming, then why isn’t boarding legal…you have to know that when you are that close to the boards, someone is going to try to hit you right?
Same as a play where the stick makes contact with the shoulder and face at the same time
If you can’t keep your stick out of players’ faces you can’t play — that’s the rule now. That rule does not appear to have taken stick play out of the game eh?
So: if you can’t blast people off the puck without hitting their head you can’t play. There is no reality-based logic for the idea that such a rule would make it impossible to blast people off of pucks.
Really doesn’t seem complicated, but of course this is the NHL we’re talking about.
by Paul the Fossil on Apr 18, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I definitely thought that play deserved more than two minutes
I am not that concerned about the targeting the head, because I don’t that was intentional but Seabrook didn’t have the puck and his head was hit. It should have at least earned a 5 min major for interference and a game misconduct. There is precedent for that sort of punishment. Torres is an idiot who just got back from suspension. He should know better, but as I said he’s an idiot…..
Colin Campbell Reasoning
“When Rule 48 (Illegal Check to the Head) was unanimously adopted by the General Managers in March 2010, there was no intention to make this type of shoulder hit to the head illegal. In fact, at that time, we distributed a video to all players and teams that showed a similar hit on a defenseman by an attacking forward coming from the opposite direction behind the net and stated that this is a ‘legal play’.
Why is any hit to the head acceptable. It doesn’t matter if its not your elbow, targeting the head with any part of your body is seriuosly dangerous. Also, how does the fact that Seabs didn’t have the puck – that Torres let the puck actually go right past him just to lay the hit, mean nothing?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
Oh I didn't actually link anything - its from NHL.com
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
But he didn't really try to take his head off
and BTW, his head is just a part of the greater shoulder girdle, so it’s all really just a good, clean hit – and you’re just being a big whiner/baby because your defenseman couldn’t skate more than a few feet without falling on his ass after that clean hit. I repeat – legal, clean hit, and don’t even start looking at the goon’s career…LOOKIT, SQUIRRELS!
Go back to your own site if you don't like it
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
awesome refutation as always
You do your fanbase proud with your debating style – but please tell us what “strawman argument” means and then explain how your point differ in context.
Please take your time
and I love how your “classy post” is misused – someone who comes on to another fanbase site and attempts to defend the goon is always a classy move. Next homework assignment: look up the word “irony” then get back to us.
irony is the synonym-like relationtionship betweeen wailin' and waylon.
Clearly you see me as defending a hit that I do not …by anyone on any team. I simply said it was history. Guess that sailed right over your raging. I expect the Hawks team to not be stuck in the past. Good luck in Game 4. Keep your heads up too please.
I may be a drunk college student
But I do believe the relationship is homophone-like more than anything else.
/dropped his English major a year ago
Uh but this wasn't from behind
The photo is above. It’s square in the chest.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
hitting someone in the head should be frowned upon in all instances. it's that simple
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Logic is not required nor desired in this conversation
Next thing you know, you will be saying swinging your stick AT somebody is bad too!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
i don’t care about the rule book- when you have a guy lined up, and you know he doesn’t see it coming, you can (a) deliver an effective hit the guy will remember, which will have all the desired effect in terms of hurrying the play next time, or (b) try to put the guy in the hospital.
I saw the play live- a full second before impact, Torres knew he had a free shot. He tried to put Seabs in the hospital.
In the old NHL, this was glorified. Careers were made on this shit. But nowadays, the guys move too damn fast. Same thing in football. So the game evolves.
And the knuckle-draggers should just accept this, and stop defending the indefensible.
We like our people!
What!? You don't want your team to punish the opposition now?
So you want to take big hits out of hockey and football? They didn’t eliminate big hits in the NFL, they eliminated leading with the helmet. Just like they didn’t eliminate big hits in hockey. You think when guys make big hits in the NFL or NHL they take the time to adjust the severity? No. They throw they biggest hit they can, when they can. They always will and they always should.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Why can't you admit
that the guy’s a goon, pure and simple? You keep evading the question. What, he’s actually a valued member of the team? Please detail all of his awesome qualities that AV feels he brings to the rink everyday.
Because I value a player who takes the body
Who works hard every shift, who brings a big body presence to the game. You’re basing you opinion on a small sample of body checks that you have watched Raffi throw that were illegal or questionable. I have seen countless more that are perfectly legal and speak to a tenacity that I appreciate. The legal hits far outweigh the questionable ones.
It’s not like were talking about Matt Cooke here. He never elbowed someone from behind or crosschecked his face into the glass. He throws big hits that were not only legal but encouraged and celebrated just a few months ago.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Torres is a goon
Just like Bolland is a goon, Bufflin was a goon, Burish was a goon, ladd was a goon.
Seriously, the cup team last year was full of guys that played on the ragged edge and got away with it. You loved them when they were on the team, and still lament that they’re gone. To suggest that Torres is some sort of character type that is foreign to the league, or to the Hawks, is pretty naive.
so he is a goon
I don’t like seeing hits like the ones you posted, I’ll be the first to say they are cheap. But you just equated them to torres, so whats your point?
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Point being
If someone (Waylon) is going to rail on thuggery and general hockey ethics, they should take a look at the role players who were so important to the hawks last year. That player type isn’t exactly foreign to the Hawks.
It’s funny how if they’re on our team they have “grit”, “toughness” or “energy”, but if they’re on the other side they’re a “goon”, “dirty” or “cheap”.
OK, your turn
Please list all the Hawk players who were suspeded for illegal hits this year, as well as last year. Should be quite easy for you, judging by that comment. That will tell us something, I think.
Also
Please detail who was suspended for hits to an opposing player’s head.
Well the Hjalmarsson, if you can call blindside boarding a hit to the head
But I suppose he’s not a goon because he’s swedish.
That's one
Surely there are many others, as you’ve just outlined for us.
If you're claiming that
“[t]hat player type isn’t exactly foreign to the Hawks”, then it’s hardly sitting astride a high horse to ask you to back it up with data.
I don't need data
when it’s obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together…. c’mon
Was Ladd a valuable part of the hawks the two previous years? Did he not throw a few “questionable” hits along the way?
Oh no, he’s a choir boy, and Torres is a pariah…..
/rolleyes
If you're seriously trying to argue a disputed point
then you need data. At the risk of sounding like a Monty Python sketch, this “yes he is” “no he isn’t” stuff is not really an argument. “I don’t need data” is not evidence in support of your position.
Fine, what "evidence" do you need?
I’ve already linked two videos showing Ladd throwing wicked elbows… what more do you want?
Since your premise seems to be that the Hawks regularly employ goons...
basically, the answers to Waylon’s questions, although more for this season than last.
No....
Waylon’s questions have been answered. By extension, you’re suggesting that Hjalmarsson is some kind of “goon” that runs around, which I think we can all agree isn’t really the case.
my premise is that a big chunk of the Hawks’ success last year was predicated on players who were less-than-squeaky-clean (goon was/is not my word). The lack of such players is obviously a big hole in this year’s squad, why the f*#@ else would they insert a guy like Scott into the lineup? Isn’t everyone on this board clamouring for more physical players who play on the edge for the Hawks? Or did I misunderstand something along the way? Yet the same folks question Torres value to the Canucks.. it’s pretty ironic.
FYI, I don’t agree with his hit, it was blatant interference. That and the NHL needs a blanket headchecking rule that’s simple for the players to comprehend and for the officials to enforce.
You're not too good at this
If I’m on my high horse then surely you have ample evidence to take me down from that lofty perch. Since you’re offered scant evidence for your claims, we’ll have to assume you were just pulling it out of your ass. But hey, thanks for playing, you’ve been a great audience!
For starters you are comparing last year to this
The rules HAVE changed, Willie Mitchell’s hit on Toews last year was clean, this year is probably a 5-7 game sit-down. The Ladd’s hit falls into that cat. (WAY prior JHC is in the video) while Burrish’s, rough hit drew a boarding call, he played rough, but not “dirty”. Every team will have a guy on occasion take a dumbass shot like that, the Hawks are no excpetion. But goons? Hardly goons, it is one thing to play tough and go over the edge at times, it is something different to target.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously, you’re going to say Ladd didn’t “target” Kesler or D’agostini with flying elbows??? Puhleeez.
Just admit you loved Ladd when you had him and that he’s the exact same kind of player as Torres…… a 40 pt, 70 PIM role guy who does something stupid every once in a while.
by LaughingCow on Apr 18, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
did you even read TMFFs comment?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
sure…… where again did he state the “evidence” he wanted apart from the suspensions list (which was asked and answered)?
The overall inference here by Waylon et al is that because Torres (or by extension Hjalmarsson) got suspended this year for a dirty hit then he’s a thug. It’s a poor metric.
by LaughingCow on Apr 18, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
how is this
I don’t need data when it’s obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together…. c’mon
an answer when the question was for “evidence” of other players.
Ugh I said I wasn’t in this and then got in anyway. Going on and on about this has just created a lengthy conversion where the same points are reiterated, no one agrees with each other, and people start getting testy. Lets just put it to bed already.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not in this and don't want to be but
If its so obvious, why are you unwilling to provide no more support?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think your question is rhetorical
We regularly employ goons because he said so. Awesome 2nd grader logic, I’m awaiting his next post saying neener neener.
all these convos has been so frustrating
just because someone repeats the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true (Hawk’s have goons! It was a clean hit! etc…) Back it up or move on.
neener neener.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think torres
is far from a necessary player on the roster, if he sat for the rest of the playoffs I am fairly certain the nucks wouldn’t miss a beat.
Bolland isn’t really a cheap shot artist.
Buff? really? he rarely played to his size.
Burish – kind of an asshole, not textbook ‘goon’ though.
ladd – yea, he had his moments.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
point is these are good players because they play on the ragged edge, and occasionally go over it, not always with massive hits but with all sorts of on-the-edge-of-the-rule-book play. If someone wants to call Torres a “goon” (not my word), then those past and present hawks are all goons too.
aggravating somebody
is a long sight from ending their career.
really, the Hawks have been one of the least penalized teams in the league the past few years.
this argument doesn’t seem to hold a lot of water.
We like our people!
wasn't Burish
just a mouthy pest? I don’t recall any cheap shots, but I could be wrong. IMO pest does not equal goon. I know the Canucks say Bolland slewfooted one of the Sedin’s – and if he did not cool at all (I didn’t see it nor do I remember) – but that’s the only play by him that I can ever recall being mentioned as dirty.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
he barely gets penalized
something like 34 minutes last season.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
how about before that?
i’m honestly curious
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
burish PIM
2010/11: 94
2009/10: 14 (injury year)
2008/9: 93
2007/8: 214 (holy shit)
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
wtf
that (214) is crazy. what was going on that year and in 2006 in the AHL that his PIMs just shot up?!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
of the 214
80 were fights (of which he probably lost most), there were 4 misconducts and 3 game misconducts, he had 13 roughing penalties too
ok thanks
Bur has never been the brightest huh
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
sounds about right
being annoying does not a goon make
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe it.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
How many concussions has this sport had this year? That's all anyone talks abobout these days.
You know why they don’t take the big hits out?
Because fucking idiots love to see violence. Especially after several alcoholic refreshments. Not a good, solid check, but violence.
Hockey is too great a game to continue to slither around in the slime – to sell more beer.
And please, you’re not helping your cause by bringing up the NFL.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
What's the difference
Between a good solid check and violence. A good solid check is by definition violent.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Define violent
You started this discussion – so let’s hear your definition of what exactly consitutes a violent check.
in both sports
there have been a raft of rule changes over the past 10-20 years designed to protect players.
as far as i can tell, there’s still plenty of big hits and guys getting wheeled off to satisfy your Neandertal coach-potato bloodlust.
even with stricter rules, there are more injuries. These guys don’t work in liquor stores in the off-season anymore- they are finely-tuned specimens that can do a lot more damage than the heroes of a generation ago.
Is it good for the game that (e.g.) Sidny Crosby is out for the year, so that you can celebrate the Raffi Torres douchebags of this world? I don’t think so.
We like our people!
You're wrong
He’s just told us what a great player he really is – aside from the cheap shots, of course.
Raffi Torres didn't hit Crosby.
It’s typical of you to jump to the incorrect assumption that I have “Neanderthal, couch potato bloodlust” rather then the truth. Which is I enjoy all aspect of both those physical games. Including players putting their bodies on the line to achieve their goals. I never said I wanted players hurt, because I don’t. I didn’t like when it first looked like Seabrook was hurt and I don’t like the thought of him being concussed. But I also don’t like the thought of so many laws, or rules in this case put in place to avoid the inevitable. Getting hurt. I hate the thought of losing the physical aspects of hockey because of reactions to a few plays.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
how did i know
you would use my Crosby/Torres comment as en effort at obfuscation? Of course Torres didn’t hit Crosby.
But it’s all of a piece- if you defend thuggery, you gotta live with stars getting knocked out.
And you correctly point out that the Ginger twins keep their heads up and avoid the scarier parts of the rink, but if somebody wanted to take them out, they could, and it would be a real shame (zero sarcasm) because they’re great hockey players.
Look at what happened to Bolland.
We like our people!
P.S.
If the NHL did half the job the NFL does of clarifying and implementing their rules we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree as well
Which is the subject of this thread.
Read his post again....
he didn’t say they shouldn’t punish the opposition…but there is a difference between punishing and paralyzing. He can line up a punishing hit without the contact being initiated at the head. Level Seabrook…hell…level Kane or Toews all you want as long as you aren’t taking runs at their heads. That teaches lessons and delivers messages without risking head trauma.
agree 100%
I saw it the exact same way from a good view in Section 117, Torres had time to choose (b). Or more likely, he didn’t need the time because he no longer thinks about a choice..he just does what he does, which is automatically go headhunting when he sees an opportunity.
So rather than use that full second to make a choice he already made by default, he probably used it to marvel at his good fortune, that Seabs had his head down and his body was leaning in at an angle that required only a slight adjustment (an adjustment that Torres makes perfectly, watch the slo-mo vid and if you say you don’t see it you are lying) to get his shoulder and upper arm lined up with the side of Seabrook’s head. He fucking aimed , it was obvious in real time, and even more clear in the video.
As furious as I am about what I witnessed, I will not add my voice to the chorus calling for Scott to go on a wild rampage of revenge Tuesday night. If, however, he can find his way to the league office in Toronto and kick the living shit out of a few of the mindless asswipes that are ruining this game, I will contribute generously to his bail fund.
by Gate3anuhHalf on Apr 18, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And without a doubt the best line is from your Sun's Mr. Cole.
If that had been Daniel Sedin lying on the ice, the songbook from which all the Canucks were singing Sunday night would be far different.
I might add, from all Canuck fans also. Let’s hope you don’t see that tomorrow.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Not a good point
If a Hawk player manages to catch a Sedin with his head down, the puck at his stick and blows him up i’ll be screaming bloody murder but i’ll be wrong.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you think it's time
you just went away? You will find kindred spirits on NM. Go there.
They'll have to pry the cup out of our cold, dead hands
He's not a bad guy
The vast majority of his comments are realistic and interesting, even when I don’t agree with him. Why he has a bug up his arse on this I have no idea – but other commenters who’ve come on here today have struck a similar tone, so I have no idea why they’re so defensive.
My bug
Is less about the Canucks and more about the debate of where hitting in hockey is headed and this is a great example.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
And mine is
Coming onto this site today to argue about “where hitting in hockey is headed”. In the words of my husband who’s a drummer, not good timing.
They'll have to pry the cup out of our cold, dead hands
Fair enough
I said my piece and then some. Until tomorrow.
Although I don’t think i’ll be visiting your ranks tomorrow. Win or lose.
by Canuckelhead on Apr 18, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Give us a fucking chance already
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
by hairhelmet on Apr 18, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait till they get SCUM
and infamous goon Bertuzzi lays Bieksa out – the howling will be heard from Gastown all the way to Wrigley Field.
I ache for this moment
Better yet, hopefully Bert lays out their promising D Alex Edler.
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Apr 19, 2011 3:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This 'no hitting zone' thing is total bullshite
No wonder players have no idea what the hell is allowed or not. Either enforce the head shot rule everywhere, or don’t. Those rules are going to need some serious updating over the off season. I have no clue how the hit on Eberle got 4 games while this hit (which I thought was a lot worse because he actually directly hit the head) got none.
It’s a total clusterfuck. I’m all for big, crushing hits, but you can do them in a way that doesn’t result in the guy’s head being taken off.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
I seriously
Had not heard one word about the ‘hitting zone’ (sorry, typo above) until this hit.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
All this banter
makes me want to pull someone’s hair and cry that we may not advance this season. I like the FF, but to berate John Scott like that is, well, sad, and somehow typical of our season. I know there isn’t a direct correlation per se, and my eyeballs too, rolled complete backflips into my skull when I saw Big Mama out on the PP, but seriously – what the fuck did we have to lose? I didn’t see the turnaround coming. Suit that bitch up and let’s see where it goes. And as it turns out, the closest we came to taking one (and the only time we’ve led in the series) was the game we dressed Lurch. Was Q just trying to make a point? I fucking hope so. And I hope it worked enough that we at least take one from the Torres Creepshow before all is said and done. Sigh.
2010 Stanley Cup Champions. Booyah.
what the fuck did we have to lose?
Well, the game for one. There is not one remotely positive thing that could have come from putting scott on pp. It had to be some sort of misguided delusion of thinking we HAD to find a replacement for buff. I don’t know, it boggles my mind to think about it.
Scott had nothing to do with gaining the lead, he did, however, have everything to do with losing it after taking that boneheaded penalty.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
bq.Well, the game for one.
Actually, the game for a grand total of three. And his broken mojo was the reason we lost game one and his lack of effort in the pre-game pie eating contest can be blamed for game two. Whatever makes ya feel better I guess, but JS isn’t the reason we’re down 3 games right now. Part of the reason. But an enormous part only in physical essence.
2010 Stanley Cup Champions. Booyah.
To reiterate
Well, the game for one
etc, etc. formattingly challenged
2010 Stanley Cup Champions. Booyah.
You can do anything
if you just believe.
Veni, vidi, vici. Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
I am a die-hard Canucks fan...
and I initially thought the hit, primarily because he just came off of a suspension, warranted a suspension. However, I was unaware of the grey area behind the net and the fact that shoulder to head is somehow okay. If it were my call and I wrote the rules I’d say, "Any hit to the head warrants an immediate major and supplementary. But I, nor you, make the rules or dole out the punishment. So, fuck it…game on.
Which part?
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Cerebellum'd
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
TGS!?!?
Veni, vidi, vici. Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
by eightyseven on Apr 19, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
holy crap
Weber going to town crosschecking Hartnell while he’s down
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
I don't even know what to say about this Bos-Mtl game.
Are these the same teams who played the first two games?
Shouldn't the habs
Get the occasional extra man because of their height deficiency?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Seems reasonable.
For whatever reason that team strikes me as being diminutive and ill-tempered (except for Gill who is only the latter).
Two assholes enter the Thunderdome
Only one leaves.
Gah Steve Downie hit on i already forgot his name on the Pens
Talk about taking a flying leap towards someone’s head. Yikes. He was only getting 2 minutes too, but Pens scored so I think he got nothing.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
Lovejoy
I thought that was his name but figured I was remembering wrong
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah saw that during the intermission as well.
Craziness abounds.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I still defend my case
that top-notch team goonery still reigns supreme in the East.
Veni, vidi, vici. Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
That’s okay. Mario will put a stop to it.
Win it for Manny!
Nucks Misconduct's chief slab of man meat and resident doucherocket.
or leave the league if it doesn't
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Lovejoy also got up and continued playing
which I’m sure contributed to the penalty given (or not given in this case). There is “letting the boys play” and there is letting things get dangerous, and I the refs are definitely trending towards the latter in my opinion.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Just read an article that reminded me we lost 10 players this offseason
I don’t care what anyone thinks about players performing or underperforming or former players being useful or not. But look at the players we are able to dress who were actually on last year’s team:
Toews
Kane (came back early from injury)
Hossa
Sharp (came back early from injury)
Brouwer (came back early from injury)
Keith
Seabrook (hope your head is ok)
Campbell (came back early from injury)
Hjammer (missed several practices down the stretch)
Did I miss any? If not… heck, that’s 5 forwards and 4 d-men. And likely none of them are in terribly good shape.
Bolland, Hendry are two that pop in my head.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
NM, just caught the "dress" part.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
But Hoss was hurt by Boynton early in the year, and missed several games as well.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus the vertigo for Hossa
and the Flu bug that went through the locker room – Scott, Bickell (?), Hossa, and Kane.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
our team is a hodgepodge of mostly-injured players & first-timers.
all our “vets” are injured (I bet Toews is injured, Keith’s head hasn’t been straight all season, who knows about Panda), and the rest are rookies.
Need more parts. Do we have any left over from when we still had Sopes?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
The trailer full of parts was sent to Atlanta as part of the trade
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 18, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
damnit Stanbow
why did you give EVERYTHING away?! D:
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Dude would eat Tallon's kids
if the law allowed it.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
depends on the cap hit
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by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I would so love to have the walking body parts guy back!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 18, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Toews came back early too from his shoulder (?) injury
not sure if it was fully healed yet or he said it was and played through it like everyone else did
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I've seen a lot of comments about Kane crying...
Is there a video of this somewhere?
Or was he just doing his usual post-loss sniffling while looking glum?
From what I saw, it was typical Kane
The Nuk fans are eating it up, though. I guess somehow it makes them feel better about their former captain crying in the past.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Apr 18, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I figured as much.
But was just curious.
by transienthawk on Apr 18, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
eh even if he did, wouldn't be the first time he cried on camera
and he’s not going to be embarrassed by it so whatever. Unfortunately for the Nucks I don’t think this was one of those times.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Did he cry when he won the cup?
@NucksFans: wonder what that’s like?
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
I don't really remember Kaner crying winning the cup.
I think he was just kinda stunned.. and then drunk forever.
by girlphoenix on Apr 18, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
why did i read this as "kinda stoned"?
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by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't think he cried then (that I noticed)
He did when Tallon left, and his day with the cup he talked about how he was either (can’t remember which) crying or really emotional when he went to the hospital and then visited his grandparents graves. He doesn’t seem to be a kid who’s shy about his feelings.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Even though I have made jokes about Oshie
I don’t think any player should be embarrassed about crying.
I know hockey is all “GRR MANLY. REAGAN SMASH.” but whatever. They’re humans, some people cry.
by transienthawk on Apr 18, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess they've never seen a Kane interview
He was just being his usual snotty/drippy self.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
its on the link from daily hot links where NM sums up the PO so far. Scroll down a bit and its there. It’s Nucks fans touching his face on the Tv and making fun of him. It’s retarded.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
i'll pass on watching it but thanks
Guess they have to get their kicks where the can.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
couldn't help myself
i watched it. he’s like that in literally every interview I’ve seen him do post-game. whatever.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Looks like they plan on playing bolland
This seems like a serious mistake…
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 18, 2011 10:00 PM CDT reply actions
Said they are optimistic
so hopefully its just words and if Bolland sits. Would love him to play but not at the risk of his health and career. I don’t want him in a game after a concussion where the stuff that has been going on is allowed.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
“Based on the timing, he’s ready to play. He wants to play. You have to like his competitive spirit.”
That doesn’t scream “he’s healthy” to me, but instead “we have to win a game, and he might be able to contribute.”
But whatever. I think I’m going to just shut my mouth on the topic for good.
by transienthawk on Apr 18, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like the best use of our energy now
is to hope he doesn’t get plastered and sent back into another concussion.
If he's playing
based on “timing” then that doesn’t sound good.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont like this
screams “HOLY SHIT THE PLANE HAS CRASHED INTO THE FUCKING MOUNTAIN!”. 2 days really make that much difference? I’m no doctor, but seriously. I admire the competitive spirit and all, but lets not completely break this guy because he wants to help a team standing on the gallows avoid the noose.
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 19, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
consider
the Hawks are in posession of all the facts we are (Hawks are down 3-0, it’s been rough out there), and then some (actual results of medical tests, extensive conversations with Bolland, eyewitness accounts of him skating.)
I think y’all are guessing here.
BigC- you reason thus: if he wasn’t ready on day X, how could he be ready on day X + 2? A moment’s reflection should convince you that, by this reasoning, he’ll never be ready.
I’m not saying I know- I’m just saying I trust the guys who have more information and a greater interest than we do in Bolland’s long-term health.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Apr 19, 2011 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
am in agreement with all of this. Another factor is how advanced the science is in assessing the future impact of the next concussion based on the patient’s history and length of time from the prior concussion. In other words, does being cleared to play today mean that a concussion today has the same effect later as if you wait another week, or month? Do they know the answer to that question?
And another factor – he’s not coming back to a game in November in which the coach can afford to spot shift him. It’s the playoffs. Game 4 of any series has a lot of fear and loathing, and this is a desperate situation in which some people actually think Bolland can be the difference between winning and losing. Not exactly easing your way back to work.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 19, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Welcome back, Bollie.
Now go save our season…gently.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
He'll distract
by creepy-staring the opposition.
Veni, vidi, vici. Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
by eightyseven on Apr 19, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I was not implying that he will never be ready
what I was implying is that he has been out for so long, you would think that if he is good to go today, how was he not good to go 48 hours ago. The timing of his return given how long he has been recovering seems suspect to me.
I hope he is fine, I hope he is effective, but if he goes out there and gets his bell rung and we never see him again, I’m going to be fucking pissed.
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 19, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I just dont want to see the dude get Kim Johnsson'd
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 19, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
This is my fear
we know he will be targeted, and I’m really afraid that guys are going to care even less about avoiding the head (we’ve already seen guys punching our players in the back of the head, along with some elbows and the Seabrook hit). If nothing else, Bolland should stay away from the area behind the net beccause having him hurt again and impacting his future is the very last thing we need.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Canuck Fan Here..
That being said….
Seabrook is 6’3, Torres is 6’0. Torres never left his feet or lifted his elbow. Seabrook’s body is square but he is not looking up.Torres’s shoulder hits Seabrook in the head.
That made it hard for Campbell to suspend Torres
"I can do stuff" ~ Jesse G.
"Torres’s shoulder hits Seabrook in the head."
nuf said
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by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
it isn't suspendable under 48
but it should be.
The changes, they are a-comin’.
no more head contact.
by oregon_hawk on Apr 18, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is...
as with Seabrook’s case, he lowered himself down and received a hit to the head. If Seabrook was standing straight up, Torres would have got him in the chest.
In future cases how do you stop a guy from lowering himself just before he gets hits?
"I can do stuff" ~ Jesse G.
I don't think any player in their right mind would change
their position to get knocked on the head just to get an opposing player in trouble. Torres and any player needs to be in as much control of their body as they would their stick. I understand the view that Seabrook should have had his head up, but that is no excuse for a player to lay a hit like that. Torres let the puck go right past him so he could lay a hit on Seabs.
Its not in the rules now but it should be imo.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Scott
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by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He gets paid like one
bah
Veni, vidi, vici. Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
going in the opposite direction here but
Kopecky always seems to have really weird posture when he is on the ice – does anyone agree or am I just catching him at really weird moments.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
like a hunchback posture?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
yes!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Quasipecky?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
right now
I’m more concerned with how you stop fresh waves of Nuck fans from coming here and beating this dead horse with the same tired arguments.
We like our people!
there is a kind of bacterial infection feel to it. or swarm of locusts. or pine-beetle infested trees. I can’t even argue repetitively that long about unresolvable issues with the people I care about, as much as we try.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 19, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
blindside hit
no play to the puck
targeted player had not played the puck
hit went to the head, intentional or not.
illegal and suspendible.
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 19, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Protecting the head is good
But how does one adjust when a guy is three inches taller? Do you crouch down instantaneously?
"I can do stuff" ~ Jesse G.
wait, what?
If its a height issue, wouldn’t Torres’ shoulder hit Seabrook in the arm, since Torres is the shorter one? The fact is that Torres went in looking to blow up Seabs, and the point of contact was Seabrook’s head.
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont really see your point
so because seabrook’s knees were bent….what? Torres had no choice but to put his shoulder into Seabrook’s jaw?
nevermind, i’m done debating this
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at thread above...
Skaters height position change as they move. One minute they are 6’3, the next they are 5’11. It will be hard to make rule that protects the head and that doesn’t rid of all hitting.
"I can do stuff" ~ Jesse G.
Is that a palomino or just a dead horse?
by girlphoenix on Apr 18, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i think it qualifies as both in this case
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by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
the players
who are doing the hitting should be just as aware as the players being hit. Torres came in and Seabrooks head is down. The puck went past him. He had time to make a different play and didn’t. All players need to use common sense when being physical and be respectful of the other guys on the ice.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Once again with the Zapruder film reasoning
This is not the Oliver Stone movie “JFK,” and you’re not the Kevin Costner character. One more time we have to hear this argument and you’ll be summarily taken out back and beaten with many sticks.
Damn you, Seabs
You should play to your height, or else you’ll be seriously injured. Next time you go into the corner STAND STRAIGHT UP! That ‘s pretty much the sum total of your argument here, and it really doesn’t make a lick of sense.
THe thing is I understand the view that the player should be responsible for himself on the ice
like looking around, etc…but I don’t understand how this absolves the other player of any responsibility for not being in control of their limbs (like they have to be in control of their stick) and being a danger to other players on the ice.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand the need
of some fans to come here and defend their dude. He didn’t even get suspended. Hammer got suspended on what, in my opinion, was a totally BS deal, yet I didn’t find my way over to a… who the hell were we playing for that game, blog and start posting pics of how the hit was legal and etc… On the hawks sites I bitched about it but seriously, just seems kinda classless to me.
um...is this not the point of any blog?
Discussion…disagreement….opinions. Or did I miss the point of the the blog?
"I can do stuff" ~ Jesse G.
you missed the reply button
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by LanceFister3 on Apr 18, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
It has been discussed all day
you can understand that many of the Hawks fans feel slighted by the decision. You can post all the pics you want. Doesn’t mean we are going to agree. If the shoe was on the other foot and one of the Sedin’s or Kesler was the one with the head injury over it don’t you think you would be wishing for a suspension too?
There's always hope, and no matter what you can't take 2010 away from me.
It isn't hard to change.
If you make contact with someone’s head, you get a minor/major/game misconduct penalty.
It’s really that simple. Headshots don’t happen that often – you can tell they don’t happen that often, because when they do, shit like this thread happens.
the players need to be responsible for where they check people. Just like they need to be responsible for their own sticks, and not checking the numbers, they need to be responsible for not checking other players in the head – regardless of facing, or awareness.
by oregon_hawk on Apr 18, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The rule wouldn't be that hard to change.
Checking from behind is a good preceding example. Even if a player turns and his/her back is presented, the penalty still gets called. The onus is on the checker.
While there was a learning period when instituted, it’s now understtod.
I don’t think a ban on head hits, regardless oif the hows and whys, would be that hard to institute or call. And by including all, no matter what, players would get the message.
you asked what the point of the blog was
I am just explaining to you why people don’t want to necessarily hear it right now over here.
There's always hope, and no matter what you can't take 2010 away from me.
you've been really polite imo
just a bad time for us here right now, and we’ve had some people who weren’t very polite. And we’ve talked about this all day, lol.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 18, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's just impossible
To outlaw head shots, period – no matter where they happen on the ice. And the goon apology tour continues apace…
Believe it or not I have an opinion on this.
Let the players handle it. I guarantee it stops. Right now they are afraid of the vagueness of the rule. Well, maybe not afraid, but confused. End the confusioin. Go back to Probert, Kocer, Snepts, etc. You take a run at one of our players, somebody is going to pay for it.
Let me ask you this, if Al Secord is on your team and Wilson, Larmer, Savard gets run, he beats the shit out of the guy, no?
Same with Probert and Chelios. Probert Yzerman, McSorely Gretzky (Semenko!)
Get rid of the instigator penalty. Make all player wear 1/2 visors. You fight with a visor, 10 game suspension. You hit in the head 10 game suspension 1st time after you get you ass kicked. You do it again, 20, again season, again banhammer.
What were we talking about?
The "best thing" about being down 3-0
Is how big of a gut laugh we’d have if the Hawks came back to win the series. Makes me chuckle just to think about it.
/optimism for the day
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 19, 2011 12:11 AM CDT reply actions
A glorious dream it is
but a dream none the less, just like how I dream of banging Eva Mendes.
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by BigCSouthside on Apr 19, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
each game has been closer then the last right?
they are due a win. and then victory!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
A hilarious snippet from a few days ago I just ran across. Not sure if it was previously posted…
Hawks get impolite salute in Vancouver
When Blackhawks stars Jonathan Toews, Patrick Sharp and Patrick Kane were in Vancouver, they headed out for sushi after team meetings.
“It isn’t real hard to spot us when we are all in suits and ties especially when Little Man (Kane) has that mullet hairdo going,” Sharp told us.
So, as they were crossing the street, “an elderly lady was in a car and she had the oxygen tubes up her nose and she rolled down the window and gave us a certain gesture,” Kane said. “It was awesome.”
Still love these guys.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 19, 2011 12:24 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
She might be old
But she’s still lively.
I like it.
by transienthawk on Apr 19, 2011 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Hah!
That is awesome! Also Little Man, lol.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I love watching clips/bhtv & discovering the nicknames they have for each other.
Bickalicious? really?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
oh god that's awful
did not know that.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Knowledgeable hockey buddy calls me tonight, asks "what did you think of the Hawks season?" My reply: "there's still hockey to be played, my friend."
Although significant frustrations were expressed in the comments tonight, I really enjoyed reading them. I’m proud of our intelligent, passionate fan base.
“Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.” 17 hours, Hawks fans.
by Legendary on Apr 19, 2011 2:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I was with you until you offended me....
…how dare you call me “intelligent” !
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
This is the culture you get when...
…your assclown of a commish comes from the league that promotes players over teams.
He’s infected the NHL front office with the notion the star players are THE marketing factor, instead of it being the teams and the league.
This whole rules-changes thing on head shots is complete bullshit. It’s about protecting the biggest star players. Even though his season hasn’t been his best, I think we can all agree to at least a certain extent Seabs is a star player (God I hope so for $5.8M for the next 5 seasons!). But he’s not Ovechkin, Crosby or Lidstrom. If it were one of those guys, or perhaps Toews even, it would have been 5-and-a-game with suspension to follow. Even as some of you pointed out, if Seabs stayed down or stumbled around it could have changed the call. While that is likely true, it’s the tell-tale sign how fucked up this whole thing really has become.
We will NOT see this fixed until either this asshole is gone or someone else grows the balls to put rules in place to protect ALL players.
Just like a player is responsible for his stick coming up high for the high-sticking rules, so too should a player be responsible for clocking another player in the head; with shoulder, forearm, elbow or hand.
On high sticking, it isn’t about whether or not the [potentially] injured player is standing up right or not, it’s about him getting a stick in the puss.
So anytime the NHL wants to institute a REAL rule set on head shots, by all means do so. Until then, this is nothing other than a smoke screen, and a lame-ass fucking one at that. Like oft’ said in business, “please do not confuse activity with accomplishment”.
Just win the next game...!
What do I thnk of this Torres thing?
There is nothing we can do. The NHL rules and penalty hander outers have made up a reason to not be taken seriously.
What should be done tonight? Lots of stick work. Brouwer, Kane, Hossa, RJ, Keith, Campbell all are good with the stick. If you take a penalty, Oh well, slash him harder next time. No head hits, arms and legs. Slash, trip, cross check. Make VAN wish they never played The Hawks. If one or more of VAN’s players get hurt, too fucking bad. Slash behind the play on the Sedins every shift. Cross check every board battle and When they play their next game they should not be able to hold their own stick. I’m OK with losing the game so long as we make it so VAN cannot win another. Eat lots of Burritos today and stand by Luongo blow heinous farts and ask if he misses Buff. He may win 4 games, however I think he gets chased tonight and drops game 5 in VAN.
I will watch the whole game. I hope it’s not the last, but if it is, it is.
We got to see Toews at his best this season, didn’t we – at 22. How much better is he going to be?
Sharp made a run until injury. How many will he get next season?
Crawford. Who knew he could play like this? (tallon)
Leddy. Now that was a great trade, no?
Ben Smith. My Calder nominee for next year.
Keith. Go on vacation away from Canada. Sit on the beach. Come back in August and kick ass.
Seabrook. Change helmet manufacturers. You need more head protection.
Q. Retire so we can get Havi.
What were we talking about?
by laaarmer on Apr 19, 2011 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Sounds good to me
Which the Nucks fans will scream at hearing – too farking bad, you reap what you sow.
possibility of late links today
FYI. Should be up before noon though.
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and it’s a real bitch, and today the goons from VAN will find out the hard way.
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by cliffkoroll on Apr 19, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
close, but that is the 3rd verse, so while correct and fitting with the Torres thing
“gonna knock you right on the head” is 1st verse and still in with the Torres thing
What were we talking about?
Cold, gray Chicago day
Perfect day for April hockey. Playoff hockey. Something we wished for and dreamed about all season.
Now that we are here and down 3-0 (and it happened so fast) , I can’t help but think there are a lot of us that wish it would all be over because it sucks so much. Part of me thinks that too, but then again, I don’t want to not see our name on the playoff schedule. I don’t want to not feel the anticipation for game day. I don’t want to not hear Foley screaming “CRAWWWFORRRD!”. Really what it comes down to, I don’t want the season to end tonight. Let’s win this one at home, see the team salute the crowd at center ice, and make VAN drag us back with them.
It’s playoff time. Anything can happen.
They'll have to pry the cup out of our cold, dead hands
So if Bolland gets the green light and they dust him off and play him, how effective do you expect him to be?
I mean, how long has he actually been working out? Is he anywhere near game shape?
I know as well as you do what he can do, just wondering if he can actually do it right now.
Win it for Manny!
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He can mind fuck the Swedes.
He’ll be OK for this game as far as game shape, but the next one, and the next one, and the next one, and the next one, we’ll have to wait and see.
What were we talking about?
As soon as he starts slashing their gloves
I know he’ll be ok – I joke of course, but this thing could get very ugly if the game’s not close, and in VAN’s favor. Then we’ll hear the endless sermonizing from the elites, all the while ignoring the reality of why this happened in the first place. This is shaping up to be exactly the same situation as the late 70’s, when goonery was rewarded and films like “Slap Shot” were really quite factual in many respects. Great film, though.
Suspensions?
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
well duh
Canucks play a clean game and the Hawks are goons. Any injuries sustained are the Hawks responsibilities, no one else’s. Everything Bolland does is dirty. Didn’t you know?
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by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Hay
there are many a Vancouver fan that want to win based on simply outplaying, not ’cause of borderline and cross-border hits and douchebaggery :(
Veni, vidi, vici. Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
by eightyseven on Apr 19, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
i know. Don't mean to paint you all with the same brush
but things have been frustrating for a number of reasons.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I know
just a disclaimer. (h5)
Veni, vidi, vici. Coconuts go.™
"Things may come to those who wait, but only what’s left behind by those who hustle."
Neither Bolland or Seabrook are on the ice right now.
Win it for Manny!
Nucks Misconduct's chief slab of man meat and resident doucherocket.
Could just be resting this AM
Kopy definitely out though
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Just heard the same thing (about Seabrook).
I would assume it means Bolland isn’t going, though. Just my guess.
Win it for Manny!
Nucks Misconduct's chief slab of man meat and resident doucherocket.
i'd prefer he didn't go tonight personally
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Who only checks hard and plays the body
Along with raised elbows, but that doesn’t count, because Seabs had it coming to him.
nice Monty Python quote.
Nucks Misconduct co-writer, also on Twitter.
How do you tell a duck to lower its head?
Official I guess
Seabrook out and Bolland in tonight Not sure who will be in for him – hopefully not Scott in for anyone at all.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
Beach,
maybe.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Scott (D)
and Beach (replaces) Seabrook.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
We obviously need
extreme physicality.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
according to Tracey
Bickell and Johnson in. We’ll see about Dowell. Scott may play D (why we are putting even more minutes on Keith is beyond me – whatever your feelings for Cullimore, he’s better then Scott). Also, Crawford not a finalist for Calder.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 19, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
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