Larceny: Canucks 3 - Hawks 4 (Series Tied 3-3)
by SamFels on Apr 25, 2011 3:08 AM CDT
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Maybe the title is a little strong, but that's what it feels like tonight. Because as we all suspected and feared, the Vancouver Canucks came tonight to end this, and played the exact game they wanted to. The Hawks were bottled up in the neutral zone, couldn't gather their blue line, had to dump it in and when they did that the Nucks made it look far too easy to get out of their. They were disciplined (for the most part), controlled, and smart.They took the lead three times, and killed of a two-man disadvantage. They didn't get bothered with extra curriculars, they didn't run out of place to make hits that left them exposed.
And it didn't come off.
Sometimes in the playoffs, you lose a coin flip. And that's what happened tonight. Make no mistake, for a great majority of the 3rd period and OT the Canucks bossed this thing. They were the fresher, faster, more smooth unit. And the Hawks have some desperate defending, a will to win that's been missing all year finally showing up, taking off its coat, and asking where the booze is, and Corey Crawford to thank. Oh, and a couple posts here or there, but we were due those. And now it's all up for grabs.
Bullets:
-For the winner, I guess we're just going to have to settle for the fact that once or twice a game Marian Hossa is going to show moments of genius, and basically be Waldo for the rest of the game. Hossa was about as visible as the aforementioned bespectacled cartoon before overtime tonight. And then he stripped Daniel Sedin, fought off two checkers until he found Hammer. I guess one moment of inspiration is better than none?
-If the Hawks had gone out of this season on a Kevin Bieksa winning goal, I think I might have shot myself in the kneecap over and over.
-Speaking of which, though he's come in for his fair share of criticism since arriving, and he's not exactly as advertised, Michael Frolik can play on my hockey team. He's good in every zone, never stops coming even though he's been windshield goo for most of the series, and tonight displayed some marbles the size of melons on a penalty shot the Hawks simply had to have. He may not even be a Top 6 guy in the long run, but he can certainly find a home on the 3rd line at worst.
-It also pleases me that in the midst of "getting dis", Dan Hamhuis is kind of responsible for two of the goals. Ok, the first one was an odd bounce off the glass but he still panicked before getting Rock Bottomed by Fabulous Weapon, and the Hawks third he completely lost track of Frolik and then hauled him down. Enjoy that clown for the next few years, Nucks fans.
-John Scott has three shifts. Enough with this.
-So the game reports say that Toews won half his draws against Kesler tonight, but it sure didn't seem like that. Especially when Q started sending Sharp's line out there against Kesler.
-So where do you go here if you're Vancouver? If this were a normal team, you'd tell yourself that you played about as well as you can, and you lost in OT, and if you can replicate that effort Tuesday you'd probably win. But this isn't a normal opponent, is it? And now you've played the Schneider card, and his dadaist way of playing the puck probably cost you two goals. Now you turn to Borat, who you've pretty much outlined you have no faith in. And though he wasn't bad tonight, and the Canucks seemed to really around him, he still gave up the winner. And now you return to a completely panicking media and support, having to play Luongo. And you've lost three straight, and stand on the precipice on simply the biggest shank of a series the sport has ever known. This isn't Philly over Boston, as the B's were a #6 seed who lost their top center during the series in David Krejci. This is the President's Trophy winner. Good luck.
-As for the Hawks, our rallying cry when Bass-ackwards Sunday came to an end was "Earn this". To me, they already have. They stood up and were counted when all the chips were down, and a battered, fatigued, and flawed team has taken the league's best to the brink. They've proven they belong here, because I'll be fucked sideways if the Dallas Stars could have done this. They have proven why they wear the belt and why someone has to tear it out of our hands. Moreover, they've provided us with one indelible memory to this season that had threatened to pass without any.
But is that enough? Fuck no it isn't now.
You've gotten to hear, you have to close it out. There may be only fumes of fumes left in the tank, but it's right there for you. The Hawks survived the best right hook Vancouver has tonight, and it's far from certain they can produce another one. Tuesday night, the Hawks have the chance to pull a once-in-a-lifetime comeback, and to etch four words on to the psyche of all Canucks fans:
"Forever In Our Shadow"
Player Of The Game
Agent Smith. Ok, the photoshop needs work but I'll get to it in the morning.
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The Karma Game
The identical hit, the identical ringing of posts instead of sure goals, the being outplayed but still winning…this game seems to be something we were owed. Must thank the Midi-chlorians for this one.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
I thought our backchecking was terrible many times during this season
Then I watched the Sedins tonight and thought, damn they make Sharp look amazing at playing in his own zone.
I thought Luongo looked awful but not as bad as Schneider. Lu gave up a lot of rebounds.
Crawford kept this shit close. We looked overmatched in the 3rd aside for that last minute and in most of OT.
Fucking murdered in corsi aside from Hossa. Which makes me smile has they hit us with their best and came up short. Toews is due.
you might be sick, but you feel alright to me.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 25, 2011 3:21 AM CDT reply actions
I can live...
…if they don’t advance. But I sure as hell want them to. With the usual exceptions (I don’t want to name names) (81, 88) these guys have stepped up so much in the last three games that I’m proud to be a Hawk fan again. Backing ass-forwards into the playoffs was embarrassing. And going down three games made me publicly say if they get knocked out, I’m dialed out of the rest of the second season. But htis has been spectacular.
HolyBlackhawksBatman, I was playing Buccigross’ OT game on Twitter and said the same thing.
19’s due.
by Baaaaaaannnerrrmaaaaan!!! on Apr 25, 2011 3:24 AM CDT reply actions
Big time.
I’m waiting for Toews face to come out.
you might be sick, but you feel alright to me.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 25, 2011 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions
because this is apparently what I do now
I’m going to disagree with the idea that 88 has not stepped up. He has one goal but he has been doing a great job as a playmaker. He’s been backchecking, had a few hits, and has popped up and kept going effectively even after being bulldozed over and over again. Last night was not his best game, but to say he hasn’t stepped up during the last three games, let alone the entire series is completely off.
/inmyopinion
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 25, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Depends what "stepping up" means
Not having watched every minute of this series with both eyes, I have seen plenty of times when he’s thrown his little water-bug body into the corner to fish out a puck or take a hit to make a play. I don’t see much of that from him normally which is why I don’t like him so when he does it it definitely gets my attention.
As for what they pay him to do, I’ll let those of you who know him better hash that out. But his heart and effort have been there, imo.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 25, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't get the 88 hate
They do totally different things, but he’s been as good if not better than Toews this series. That pass to Bolland last night was a thing of beauty.
I think people are forgetting that the Nucks are a really really good team, too. Lost in all the talk about Toews not scoring is the fact that he’s prevented Kesler from scoring as well, all the while probably playing through injury.
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-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 25, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't get it either.
Maybe he’s just gassed from carrying Toews on his back the entire game series.
by LavalPhantom on Apr 25, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
The comparison of 19-88 always bugs me for the reason you stated
they are relied on to do different things, and while Kane may not be the best two way player (though I think he’s made serious strides in that area) he’s amazing at what he is relied on to do. He’s been busting his ass in a very noticeable way (people knock him for the regular season but i think he was playing well in a much quieter way – ppg pace, but just not developing how we’d like) the back half of the season and this series, but everytime a player needs to be picked on for not bringing their A game, Kane is always dinged.
Toews has had a lot of good looks – he had some great chances past two games especially. His time is coming, I’m sure of it. But you are right, Kesler has not been an impact player this series and that is largely due to Toews.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 25, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I will say that I can understand that based on seasons before this one.
The fact of the matter is that this season, the kid has grown and has consistently shown more progress and development in the defensive zone, and a much more definite willingness to take the hit to make the play.
He has made great strides this season, in my opinion, and the rest of the NHLs fans are getting their first consistent look at the “new” 88.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
yes this
completely agree
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 25, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
So wait, 2009 and 2010 didn't make you proud to be a Hawks fan again?
88 has been playing very good, IMO this series. 81? yeah, I can agree with you there.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
The way 81 setup that goal yesterday...
81 is forgiven for his sub-par play so far…for now.
by HattrickKane on Apr 25, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I get that...
but if he was playing like that for the first 60 minutes maybe this game doesn’t go to OT. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of the Hoss, but man, he needs to earn those big dollars on the offensive side of the ice more often.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
calling him Waldo is very apt
when 81 is good he is Great, but when he is bad he is totally invisible. I’d like to see the former happen more often
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 25, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
Hjammer’s first period turnover was just superb. /sarcasm
you might be sick, but you feel alright to me.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 25, 2011 3:28 AM CDT reply actions
One more.
That’s all I want.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 25, 2011 3:35 AM CDT reply actions
The lack of aggressiveness was concerning
and I don’t mean as in physical play, just overall puck aggressiveness. I lost track of the number of times the Hawks were one stride away in the defensive zone from taking the puck and reached instead. And Kane and Hossa in particular seemed content to wait for the puck to find them. When they were angry about missing Seabrook the Hawks made these extra strides and found time and space. This same effort on the road would have come up short.
There also seems an unwillingness to throw the puck at the net and crash. I’m sure everyone was frustrated with that final minute of regulation when the Hawks passed up several opportunities to get the puck to the net while there was chaos on the offensive zone. The other frustrating point happened during the five on three when Bolland had time and space down low and instead of driving to a wide open net he waited for all his teammates to get set up. Then again the Hawks don’t move the puck on the 5-3 anyway which explains their success rate.
But if you really want to get irked watch the replay of the GWG. After Hammer takes his shot and the puck clearly lays in the slot Ben Smith goes to whack it in but you can see Hossa right behind him already turning away from the net. They already have a 3rd man high as whoever was the other forward on that line (Sharp?) was the last one coming in on the change and wasn’t even in the play yet, however Hossa isn’t going to put himself in a position to get a rebound in the event that Smith’s shot gets stopped. Fortunately he found the back of the net and now it’s on to Game 7.
This game had all the characteristics of a letdown game and the Hawks certainly played worse than they had in Games 4 & 5 but they managed to win. One more epic game to go, and the fourth one is the hardest. Ask the Nucks if you don’t believe me.
I agree
maybe the nucks played their best game of the series, but, particularly after the hawks tied it at 3, they played too conservative as you describe. Some revealing quotes after the game.
We like our people!
He. Hossa "already turning away from the net. "
II’d take another look at the replay if I were you.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
not speaking to that play particularly, but...
here’s Toews on the Hawks play after tying the game up at 3:
“…we were just looking for that one break, and we got it. We just kept telling ourselves in the locker room and on the bench that it was going to be a really good feeling in here if we found a way to pull it out."
Smith made a similar comment after the game.
With all due respect guys, I’d prefer to hear you guys telling yourselves that ti would suck to clean out your lockers tomorrow. That is the spirit that ignited game 4 and has carried the Hawks since.
After Froilk’s penalty shot, the Hawks offense consisted of trying to spring guys on 80-foot passes- urgency was replaced by cauton and crossed fingers.
it worked out last night, but in game 7, I’d really like to see the Hawks revert to something like: “if we are tied or down at the beginning of the shift, we need to play like we need a goal NOW.”
If they get up a goal or two, the bomb passes will open up.
We like our people!
Hmmm. If game 7 were to go to the third period with the same score, I don’t think there’d be as much lopsidedness, if only because the stakes will be exactly the same for each team.
Last night the Couverites had the luxury of being more aggressive than a team would normally be late in a game or in OT—make a mistake and you live another day. For us, make a mistake and you shake hands. No matter the game plan, that difference in potential consequences would cause one team to play more cautious. You think? Or no?
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but
in game 4, 5 minutes into the second period, the game was tied 1-1. The Hawks were in the same position then (the next goal you allow may be your last), but they found the urgency to play balls out.
Same with game 5. Funny thing is, over those four and a half periods, the Nucks scored exactly one garbage goal.
My concern is that the “desperation edge” the Hawks have enjoyed is now gone.
I’m glad the Hawks (finally) won a tight game, but, unlke Vancouver, this is not their forte this year. The Hawks might win another squeaker Tuesday but I like Vanocuver’s chances in such a game.
The Hawks play best when they play aggressive, and they appeared to turn away from this approach as the game wore on last night.
just my meatball gut talking, but…
We like our people!
Maybe the Desperation Edge will be overtaken by their new Destiny Edge.
And I hear you, they definitely seemed more aggressive in games 4 and 5. But the Other Team played much, much more cleanly in the neutral zone and their ‘d’ wasn’t giving up the blue line, which forced our forecheck begin from further back and with not nearly as much organization. But which caused which? Did our aggression fluster them into playing out of position in 4 and 5; or was it their poor positional play that allowed us to be more aggressive without risk?
Again: hmmm. Dunno. Bit of both, probably.
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roosters don't lay eggs?
I hear ya. and the nucks themselves said they played well last night after not playing well in games 4 and 5. so ya, i little chicken-and-eggy.
But Toews comment about how the Hawks were “looking for that one break” seems spot on. If Vancouver was tightening up their posisitoning, why did the Hawks insist on trying to force the long pass, “that one break”? Much better IMO to carry the puck to center, dump, chase, and work.
We like our people!
I agree with Chico
“May be your last” is different from will be your last. You can be agressive when a goal against may be your last but you still have time to do something about it. When a goal against will be your last, you have to play more defensively. I attribute the different efforts in overtime to that.
by stanfordron on Apr 25, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
but
when the Hawks were playing in “may be your last” mode, Vancouver managed one garbage goal in 4.5 periods, while the Hawks poured in 11.
when the Hawks played in “will be your last” mode last night, Vancouver had chances galore while the Hawks went almost two full periods without scoring. Ultimately, I thought the Hawks were lucky to win last night.
As I argued in a different context before, sometimes the “safe” or “prudent” course is neither.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Apr 25, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say it was a good idea.
I just said I thought that’s what it looked like they were doing. I haven’t yet decided if it was a good idea or not.
by stanfordron on Apr 25, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
may be they finally realized
that holy shit they can actually take this game. And so started playing conservatively. Who knows. I want them to come out flying in game 7
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 25, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Point well taken.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
I have no problem with Hossa thinking D first
If that is what happened.
by stanfordron on Apr 25, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
History Will Be Made...
Tuesday night, the Hawks have the chance to pull a once-in-a-lifetime comeback, and to etch four words on to the psyche of all Canucks fans:
“Forever In Our Shadow”
Okay, that’s corny =/
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
But beautiful
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Apr 25, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
A Nucks Misconduct writer...
claimed that Frolik took a dive. I’ve seen the play about a dozen times and that claim is nothing but sour grapes. You can argue tripping minor or penalty shot, that is all.
Then again, if the Hawks prevail in game 7 the sour grapes will be everywhere, along with conspiracy theories galore. Those guys whine more than Redwing fans.
Was the Stanley Cup actually a dream? It already seems like a lifetime ago.
by TrickyDickAllen on Apr 25, 2011 3:54 AM CDT reply actions
Thankfully
The only people that take the conspiracy/ref whining serious is fellow Nuck fans. Their echo chamber will soak up the tears.
by YouFeelShame on Apr 25, 2011 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Blues fans will try to back them up
The only people that take the conspiracy/ref whining serious is fellow Nuck fans
Blues fans will try to back them up, but when your conspiracy theories are supported by Blues fans, there’s a fairly good chance you’re full of shit.
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But..... but.....
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by Powrfwd37 on Apr 25, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Saw that
There’s no way that’s a dive. I won’t do it, but I’m supremely tempted to go over there & post the .gif of their Captain falling over like he’d been shot when Keith tapped him.
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Dive
It’s only appropriate cause of how much they bitched when Kane went down a little agressively. There have been two sedin incidents where they get touched and fall fast. I honestly have no idea which sedin is which. In my mind they’re just the sedins. I’m actually 60% sure they switched numbers this year so the other one could get the trophys.
by Speed3 on Apr 25, 2011 5:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Frolik didn't dive.
Frolik stepped on the stick and went down. Pretty easy call. So easy they actually made the Penalty Shot call…
The worst that can be said of Frolik
is that he recognized the situation and took advantage of it. Definitely was not a dive, I agree.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Though I will say...
…the ref’s arm seemed to go up early, like he anticipated the call, even if it was right. I need to see it again but that’s what I saw on highlights this morning.
by GenPabloSecobar on Apr 25, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I need/want to see it again too
but my guess is that as soon as the ref saw that Hamhuis’ stick missed the puck it was an easy call to make (at least the penalty part of it, maybe the decision on whether to award a penalty shot took a little longer in his head).
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I think that's a likely accurate way
to describe his mindset
by GenPabloSecobar on Apr 25, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't it a Canuck
That was actually sent to the box for diving?
by RVW5000 on Apr 25, 2011 8:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
H. Sedin was sent for diving
when Campbell hit him after Sedin pushed Crawford. Course Campbell was sent off for cross-checking which was a little questionable. In my mind it was either a dive or a cross-check and cannot be both, but the refs were probably just trying to send a message.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
A few years ago
they changed the rule to allow both calls.
But to suggest that Campbell hit you hard enough — while mostly just standing around — to send you sprawling is to suggest that you either have the worst balance of any hockey player alive (with the possible exception of John Scott) or that you dove.
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
Especially since
Sedin was leaning against the goal at the time. It makes me even more happy that Smith out fought a Sedin to score the game winning goal.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Changing the rule.
Yea they changed the rule to allow both calls but generally that means they do offset if they call diving. With all the crosschecking they were allowing they probably wouldn’t have made the Campbell call if it wasn’t for the dive…
Yeah, Daniel Sedin I think.
I didn’t see the penalty, happened at the end of the 2nd. But I found it strange. We got called for a cross check and he got called for a dive. How does that happen? Either it’s a dive or it’s a penalty, right?
You can get cross checked
without falling all over the place. And refs are probably kind of pissed when players act like thy don’t think the refs can do their jobs.
by shinkicker on Apr 25, 2011 8:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure
but that WAS NO crosscheck. And if that was a crosscheck, then the refs missed about 50 MORE calls last night.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
If that was a cross-check, how can they not call anything on Scott for his dumping of a Canuck in a scrum earlier in the game?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Oh easy
Non call because it was Burrows that got dumped on his ass. The refs should get credit for not high fiving Scott.
by shinkicker on Apr 25, 2011 9:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I never saw the play clearly
So I was speaking more to the general “can you have a penalty and a dive” thing.
by shinkicker on Apr 25, 2011 9:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely not a cross check.
A push yes, but not a cross check. Ridiculous call.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
To me
I’m pretty sure Frolik stepped on the stick and that’s what made him go down. Don’t know how that fits in to the rules regarding tripping
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
If you stick/feet your stick in his feet/legs to put him down, you tripped him
the tripping penalty is one of the few that is laymen/normal human logical in its application
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
frolik didn't step on the stick...
he skated into it/the stick swiped across his skates, which made him lose his edge.
I'm almost certain he stepped on it
He strides out with his left foot and comes down on the stick.
But that’s probably still a trip. Just don’t know if it’s a penalty shot.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Yes it is a trip
and yes it is still a penalty shot. The refs could have still wussed out and not made the penalty shot call but it was a trip and was a penalty shot.
It met the criteria
1) Center stripe
2) Possession
3) Clear step on last defender
4) Denied reasonable scoring chance
I was surprised they called it, but it wasn’t the wrong call. Could have gone either way.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
Under the circumstances, my only possibly slightly iffy issue was the "clear step" point
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
do you say this because...
Bieksa wasn’t even on his feet?
I think
if the last defender has to dive onto the ice, stretch out his stick as far as he can and still not get the puck, the “clear step” criteria is met.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I think
I think it might have ended up a penalty shot because of a similar play in an earlier game. I actually think it might have been the Sabers/Flyers, but I’m not quite sure.
The play clearly should have been a penalty shot and the announcers were just laying it on about the rules and how the rules in the playoffs are the same as the regular season and stuff.
Then a similar play happened tonight and the Hawks got the penalty shot instead of the power play.
by doubleohpsycho on Apr 25, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Montreal/Boston
Zdeno Chara got interfered with after picking a Candiens pocket, and the announcers lost their shit when Boston got a power play instead of the penalty shot.
I'll hang up and wait for my answer.
I was wondering if you all could help me out here
Some sharks fan on NM was ranting on how he would always root for the hawks to collapse. I replied by saying his team will not make it to the finals yet again. I was then called a troll. I don’t get it. Some douche bashes my team and I’m a troll for bashing his. Unbelievable
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Apr 25, 2011 3:59 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
It did seem like you were referring to the Canucks and not the Sharks
especially since it was on NM. I thought you were too.
Brewers, I'm planning on sending you the bill for the heart disease you'll eventually give me. Packers, you're on notice.
BLACKHAWKS I LOVE YOU SO MUCH RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's what confuses me
I directly replied to a sharks fan. I didn’t appreciate his comment so I replied in kind.
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Apr 25, 2011 4:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it was more the setting than anything
and I think they can be forgiven if they were a bit touchy. As for me, I thought you just responded too harshly. I’m paraphrasing here, but all he said was he wouldn’t mind if the Hawks got knocked out of the playoffs in the first round. I know I could certainly say the same for a few teams myself.
Brewers, I'm planning on sending you the bill for the heart disease you'll eventually give me. Packers, you're on notice.
BLACKHAWKS I LOVE YOU SO MUCH RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great Moments in Sporting History: Apr. 6, 2011- Carlos Gomez takes a four pitch walk
I thought AAS was referring to the Sharks.
[shrug]
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 25, 2011 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I knew it was aimed at the Sharks immediately
I thought you were a bit harsh, you didn’t need to defend your team there. However, people calling you a troll are also in the wrong.
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Looking back on it
I agree with you about it being harsh, but I’ve been pissed all year defending my team. I have so many friends from Vancouver and Philly who have been riding me all year. It starts wearing on you and maybe you get a bit edgy about it. ;)
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Apr 25, 2011 5:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Generally
i recommend steering clear of other team’s sites when they are struggling- enjoy the comments but don’t engage. You can’t pretend to be surprised that there are hornets in that nest, ready to pounce on any perceived trolling, whether fair or not.
We like our people!
yeah, it’s too raw. On both Buffalo and Philly’s pages yesterday people were fighting with each other before they realized they liked the same team.
Kaleta is skating around giving Briere and Hartnell a hard time about their divorces, and he’s actually on the ice and might get retribution. Here everyone is safe from all except the banhammer. Can’t expect a lot of reason after a tough loss.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 25, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
You can say whatever you want as a Hawks fan here
why do you need to go over there? And if you say something negative and something negative gets thrown back at you how can you play the victim? You’ve given up the high road.
I need to stop sleeping through games
The last 3 games, I’ve “woken up” and checked the score online to see that we’ve lost, only to wake up again. Better than dreaming we’ve won and finding out otherwise, I guess.
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Whatever you’ve been doing the last three games, keep doing it. You know, not that I’m superstitious or anything.
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My poor roommate
isnt allowed to drink during the game. And I’m only allowed one. That limit really hurt last night.
by shinkicker on Apr 25, 2011 9:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I have not been drinking for the last 3 games
So I obviously can’t start now. Terrible.
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-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 25, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
don't worry, I've had more than the amount of alcohol you two have missed the last 3 games
I’m thinking personal day for Wednesday (at least a late arrival)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I've been
drinking Grain Belt premium during each of the last three games. I’ve never had three such wonderful feeling hangovers.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Refs
I actually like most of the nucks misconduct guys. Can’t stand the team but the commenters are mostly solid but this whole “NHL wants the hawks to win” conspiracy is getting old. They sound like blues fans. We have a +7 goal differential but people only remember the one call that didn’t go their way. The reality is this series has been insane. If there is a conspiracy the nucks dont go up 3-0. Couple “questionable” calls could have made the series a lot closer sooner. Refs are human and they make mistakes. The reason I love this board is even when we get screwed I see “there were some bad calls but you have to play through them”. I
by Speed3 on Apr 25, 2011 4:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You just have to realize
that VCD is never wrong, so all you can do is throw your hands up and close the tab in your browser.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 25, 2011 5:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Hah
The fact that you picked the guy without me mentioning specifics is funny. I’m pretty sure we have a few people like that here too. Or maybe it’s one of the other hockey blogs I read. I get them all confused sometimes.
by Speed3 on Apr 25, 2011 5:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
VCD is horrible...
I thought he was just a poster. He seems to be a blogger over there. You want to let people “vent” on their team’s blog but I couldn’t believe the stuff he was saying…
And then the other blogger calling Frolik names and saying he dived. Didn’t see him fall until he stepped on the dman’s stick, geez…
Hey - there were several bad calls (and egregious non-calls), they went both ways
one should get over the issue or stop watching.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Straws
I’ve heard they’re easy to grasp.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe that's
absolutely par for the course for the NHL these days. I don’t know whether the quality of the officials has declined, whether the play has just gotten too fast for them to keep up or whether it’s something else. But I’ve pretty much given up on complaining in general (though I’ll still scream bloody murder at the moment).
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
It is very normal in the playoffs - the refs swallow the whistles
it’s been that way as longer as I can remember (hell, even longer)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
That's what I thought too
during the regular season, there would have been a lot more penalties called in that game.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
The biggest issue I had
was with all the complaining about the Bickell hit on Bieksa. Oh fucking please.
Home team bias never ceases to amaze me.
“Oh fucking please” WHAT.
Bickell’s hit and and the Torres hit are almost identical. How can you be outraged the Canuck fans react the same as we did?
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Very easy.
Both hits were legal (we found that out when Torres was not suspended) with the only exception that Seabrook didn’t have the puck.
They’re biased because they complain AFTER the decision of the league. We didn’t really know the ’’hitting area" thing before, hence why we were pissed. If it were to happen again we would be biased complaining.
I don’t understand how you cannot see the difference.
by LavalPhantom on Apr 25, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Bottom line for me was the puck possession.
That is the single biggest difference in the two.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
And that's the only reason Torres had a penalty
Which is why Bickell clearly didn’t diserve one last night, no matter how stupid the ‘’hitting area’’ rule is.
by LavalPhantom on Apr 25, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Own team site trolling never ceases to amaze me.
Oh, until they win the cup and then “Yay, I love this team.”
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I doesn't make you wonder
when 2 sites see the same play 180* differently?
It’s like the NYT and WSJ editorial page.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
I hate that guy.
Seriously. There are maybe four people in the world that I’ll say that about.
Two are ex wives, one is a terrorist group leader, one is that guy.
I just ignore anything he says now, automatically, after trying to engage him in what seemed like a sensible discussion once.
Took me far too long for my own liking to realize it was a waste of my time and energy… So I hate him.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
It's wrong but
I can’t blame the Nucks fans for inventing this sort of conspiracy. They won the President’s trophy, they were expected to finally go all the way this year, they had a 3-0 series lead, they led 3 different times tonight…so yeah, when your team fucks up this badly, you need to rationalize it somehow.
Although you can’t really blame the refs for a 7-2 loss and a 5-0 loss, can you…
One last thing, just because it’s been on my mind: AV completely mishandled his goalie situation. He absolutely killed Lu’s confidence, and now he’ll probably have to start Lu in game 7. Maybe it was just me, but I was shocked to see Schneider in net tonight.
Av
He’d have looked like a genius if it worked. And it almost did. Frolic and his monster penalty shot saved the day. Schneider shut down Kane on a breakaway and Jane is pretty much our guy who rips our opposing teams hearts. He had one terrible play and one questionable play where we had solid forechecking. I just find it funny that no matter who av starts he’s screwed. I like to pretend there is an alternate universe where luongo started and we still won 4-3
by Speed3 on Apr 25, 2011 5:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I argue the genius of AV
What if they did win? Then what goalie contoversy for the Nuck in round 2? He’s totlally mind fucked Luongo and they’ll fail to advance as a result. He’s on short notice as the man behind the bench there.
Chicago Blackhawks: No Longer Rusted Steel on Slush!
Wouldn't be a goalie controversy.
I’m in the group that agrees with Foley. I think Luongo came up a little gimpy on that play when it looked like he had gotten hurt. He says he is fine to the press but that doesn’t mean anything.
Resting your primary goalie when he isn’t 100% and you have such a good backup doesn’t mean you have a goalie controversy.
And yea, AV is on short notice but I don’t think playing the backup goalie is the reason.
According to multiple
beat writers Luongo was/is fine and that was confirmed by AV, Management and trainers.
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just that
he is healthy and AV chose to start Schneider and not Luongo. Now that they’ve lost this game I think th’e royally screwed himself no matter who he starts.
He took practice on Friday. If he was hurt or questionable wouldn’t you give him the day off to heal? OR wouldn’t you call up another goalie as the back up for the exact situation that tookplace in Game 6?
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Bullshit.
I call bullshit on this whole “Luongo is fine” story. And also bullshit on believing anything an NHL front office says about injuries or the lack thereof.
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
that's fine
I guess my point is more that AV and Managemnet are crating a mess for themselves to clean up in the offseason even if they make it ouot of this round. They have a $10million daollar goalie that they may or may not have trust in and AV has obvious coaching flaws. Management isn’t going anywhere and i doubt you find a dance partner for Luongo. So again AV is on short notice
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Des Lu have a "no movement" clause?
some team would take him, I suspect
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
lol for 10mil?
get real.
You’d have a better chance moving Soup, which is also near impossible.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 25, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe he has one, as I thought someone in NM mentioned it last night.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Of course the question is
If he actually is injured will anyone believe it afterwards now?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
right
So AV and Management have created a huge problem with Luongo when the fans and Media begin the witch hunt. Also will Luongo trust them as well now or did he go along with this plan
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Did he go along with the plan?
Do you remember after the Hawks won the Cup when they announced all the ACTUAL injuries that players had?
Have you heard Q come forward and state that Toews is playing with not one, but two, injured shoulders? That what the whispers have been. Whether they’re true or not, we may never know or we may find out after the playoffs. Regardless you’re not gonna hear Q announcing it so that other teams can target Toews.
How’s this?
AV: “Lu has an injured left shoulder. He can barely raise his arm above his waist. You guys might want to shoot high glove side on him.”
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
missing the point.
Yes I do remember when the list of injuries came out. I don’t expect AV to come out and say he’s injured
My point is that whether Luongo is or is not injured AV and management have potentially screwed themselves going fwd.
If he was really hurt then why was in in practice on Friday and not taking “maintenance day” Why didn’t the GM bring in anothe goalie for game 6? If they thought they could get thru the game with Schneider then Management and AV have been fully exposed to their incompetance and deserve to not move on to another round.
The other side to that is if Luongo is NOT injured and is merely playing the part of good soldier right now will that come with him not trusting the Managemernt and coach in the future years. Given the fact he has a $10 million per year contract he’s not going to be easy to move if he’s disgruntled
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OK, first off I know he's making $10M for 1 yr
but his cap hit is only $5.33M. That’s lower than 87.39% of the Hawks team! That’s not necessarily that big of a contract to move for his talent level – if they wanted to.
The whole “trusting management” part I don’t get. He’s a player. He doesn’t make the decision on who plays whether he’s the franchise player or a 4th line alternate. If AV said the Sedins “played fine” to the press and then went into the locker room and ripped them a new rooney, would they “not trust him”?
Coaches tell the media what they want them – and the other team – to hear. What they tell their players is often quite different. I’m sure Lu doesn’t go into a game and give up 5+ because he has “trust issues” with management. Maybe with his defense though…
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s making $5.3M for the next 11 years, is 32 years old right now and has a no trade until the 5th year when he’ll be 37. I’ll put my neck out there that he won’t many kicking his tires.
Luongo may not make the decision but that doesn’t mean he’s pissed about being Benched, not privately ripped. I agree about “Coach Speak” and using the media to play games. but if he isn’t injured and I’m Luongo then I’m pissed at being benched from a game. Bottom Line. That’s where i’m saying future issues may lie with him and his management and trust. he can nix a no trade if he so chooses.
Chicago Blackhawks: No Longer Rusted Steel on Slush!
Well, if they lose tomorrow
Lu won’t have to worry about trusting AV, because AV won’t be there.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
And Seabs only had a "UBI" when he sat out
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
But he did sat out with some injury. He didn’t sit out because Q didn’t trust him and thought John Scott would play better.
If a player has a couple of bad games
and is possibly injured, and you have the best backup goalie in the league on standby, how is that “lack of trust”?
Whatever the reason Seabs sat out, doesn’t matter. The whole point of this conversation is that coaches aren’t always honest with the media.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Thing is
he doesn’t really need to make that announcement. It’s pretty obvious and likely the real reason Schneids got the start last night.
Lu’s a good soldier and team player and he’s gutting it out. Good for him, but when you’re enemy is wounded, you go for the kill, you don’t offer him an aspirin.
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
Apples and Oranges
An injured goalie with limited mobility is far more detrimental to his club than an injured center. You can protect your center by not disclosing injuries because he can still contribute… maybe win some draws, etc.
A goalie with a bad back or pulled groin? That’s a no-brainer. You shelf him.
True
but you don’t disclose his injury.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreeeeed
Isn’t that why they use the most ambiguous injury status in the world? Lower body injury?? lol
But I’m saying, if Lu is truly injured, then AV has an obligation to the other players in that locker room to call in another goalie and sit Lu. He cannot play if he’s injured.
it's hockey, teams lie outright about injuries
it’s the playoffs, teams will undertake active deception measures regarding injuries (like the year the the Hawks were putting the post game cast on the opposite wrist of … Roenick? Chelios? … to make others think it was the other arm)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
But if the beat writers are getting the information from the team officials you mention, and AV has decided that for whatever reason that’s the line to give the press, you now have one source for all of that information, a source that wants that information out there (or doesn’t want the opposite). So it means nothing.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 25, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
especially when it might serve the media’s purposes to have that storyline out there as well. they don’t care if it’s true. all they need is a quote saying it and they have a column.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 25, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw an interview with Luongo after the game
(and I will always admit that as much shit as we throw out about the guy – he is always a class act, and I fully respect him as a pro)
and the press asked him if he had any confidence in his coach heading into game 7.
His response was as genuine as any I’ve ever seen, and he looked shocked at the question. He went “Confidence, in my COACH?? Yeah, of course, why wouldn’t I?”
I was a bit surprised to see GJ in the net for game 6 also, based on AV’s indignant response after game 5 about Luongo starting game 6.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
No they asked if he had confidence IN his coach. I was half surprised, he seemed shocked by it .
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
That seems odd
asking if he had the confidence of his coach is a reasonable question to ask seeing how the coach just benched him.
Well, given the situation I get it.
This was after the game. The media is trying to get flashy headlines, and given AV’s potential situation within the week… It’d be great for them to get that “Scoop.”
Headline: “Luongo – team has lost confidence in AV as coach of the Canucks.”
That is grandstanding at it’s highest… They get Lu to publicly say that he doesn’t have confidence in AV, and they start lighting the torches on their way to Rogers Arena.
The possibility does exist that I am partly deaf and mis-heard the question that was asked, but to me it definitely seemed that they asked if he had confidence IN his coach.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Just read an interview that confirms your astute observation, vs my questionable hearing.
The question was whether or not he had the confidence OF his coach.
Nice catch.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
As a Wings fan
I do like the fact that the Hawks program of psychological warfare has succeeded in finally creating some other group of tinfoil hat fans. Maybe, I can make a few bucks selling “antique,” tinfoil hats. I could make millions.
No, but seriously, the conspiratorial anxiety is getting old in this series. Hawks are killing them fair and square.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 25, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
not sure we "killed" them last night
but yea, after the team dug themselves into a worst case scenario, the Hawks have performed at a best-case scenario since. The last game will be the toughest to win.
Reffing has sucked
This whole series for both teams. A lot of you guys were complaining after the first 2 games – and Bowman went to the refs just like Gillis did. There will always be some people who scream “conspiracy” but they will always be lunatics
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Seems the flying elbows and murderous knee attacks have come to a end
Scott sits Tuesday…Kruger back in?
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
One of the CBC guys said
that maybe Scott was only playing last night so he could take over D if Seabrook’s injury came back. Hopefully Q won’t be thinking that way again tomorrow night.
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Seabs didn't look all there
At points. He seemed a little slow and I think I remember counting 4 or 5 giveaways or just lazy efforts in his zone… Or maybe I was counting beers?
Seabs did not have a good game.
But none of the D did. And speaking of D, Scott13 alluded to this above, Soupy has to take that shot with 30 seconds left in the 3rd period. He did a good job of faking the shot then moving down to the hash marks with a clean shot at Lu but he didn’t take the shot.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I was “that guy” I was screaming SHHOOOOOT at Campbell there. Couldn’t believe he failed to pull the trigger after he put 2 guys down to block
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I was that guy
from the moment Lu came into the game.
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by gwood on Apr 25, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
my coaching strategy exactly
when Lu came in cold (and maybe with a gimpy back) – he should have seen more rubber right away than a Firestone factory
Credit Vancouver with nicely circling the wagons to limit shots though
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Or as a guy near me said
“more rubber than a $2 whore on shore-leave night.”
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
I recall that old cliche - but with latex now and all ....
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Exception:
D2K was once again a machine. Not perfect, of course, but many many instances of Hossa-like dominance of the puck while Nucks were hanging all over him.
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
He was very good in the defensive zone last night
I can’t remember the last time I was that impressed with his D zone play.
You may be right
I just happened to notice key defensive zone play more in this game because it was closer.
Yeah... We spent a lot more time in our D zone last night, than game 5.
It was certainly a more pronounced showcase.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
agreed
he looked sluggish— still delivered some hits tho, which was a good sign.
We like our people!
Yeah it wasn't his physical play that suffered
but there was a lot of bad passing and just looking tentative with the puck.
I'm still saying my silent prayers for the return of Kopecky.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Serious hockey question
So just before the Nucks’ first goal, Hjammer turned the puck over. A few seconds later, he was in front of the net & Thing 1 sent the puck round from the corner to Thing 2.
Hjammer went from in front of the net and skated the long way round the net, presumably to try to intercept the pass. Had he stayed where he was, he might have gotten a stick on Sedin’s wrap-around attempt. Was this a mistake by Hjammer, or was it the right play that just ended badly?
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...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
As someone who never played
Organized ice hockey outside the NHL series I’m voting mistake. Not nearly as bad as the terrible clear and it was a bit unlucky. All is forgiven with the assist in ot though right?
by Speed3 on Apr 25, 2011 6:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Never played at any level that would be considered competitive
but I’d say the mistake was in going behind the net. He should move to the other post when Campbell goes in to the corner, but he chased Daniel around the net instead of staying in front and using his stick to prevent the play from coming out from behind the net. But they were all basically chasing their tails after the turnover, so I’m not sure it would’ve mattered.
I think the mistake was in being a half-second late on covering the pass. He’s also anticipating coverage in front of the net by Bickell or Bolland (both are a bit slow, though, circling about).
If Jam skates to Sedin22 the other way around the net, he can’t possibly get a stick on the pass and Sedin22 just steps uncontested in front the other way. So he made teh right play in anticipating the pass and stepping in to get it … he just doesn’t decide quickly enough and the play gets by him. If he decides a split-second earlier and skates more toward Sedin22 than the passed puck, no problems.
Also, keep in mind that Q/Haviland may have different plans for playing the Sedins in our zone. It’s entirely possible that a straight-up directive is to give them as little time behind the net as possible no matter what, to make them choose a side and force the play, relying on the forwards to collapse.
If anything, I’d say Campbell/Frolik were slow to the half-board to pressure the Sedin33, muck it up there and stall the play.
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Exactly
how I called it from my seat last night. It was execution, not decision, that failed.
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
Well, whatever it was
it was a softie from Crawford who waited until the 3rd period to put his game face on. All is forgiven with his finish when Vancouver came at him hard. Vancouver thinks we got two gifts and I would say two of theirs were gifts as well – the first one and a terrible rebound on Bieska’s goal. In the end, we made fewer critical mistakes.
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I haven't seen much on Crow
and I agree here. Crow wasn’t all that great for 50 minutes. The first goal was a tough break, but the 2nd and 3rd goals are two saves that we might need him to make to win Game 7.
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Agreed
Crawford made some big saves, but I felt 2 of those goals shouldn’t have been let in. We won though and he had a shutout last game so I’ll take it.
by GoCubbies34 on Apr 25, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for that
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
I had to turn it off...
Not the game but the game thread. I hadn’t opened it since game 3 and accidentally left it open during the game last night, turned it off before the Hawks tied it up. Hawks win so no game thread for me Tuesday night.
Game 7, that can go either way as most everyone knows. I’m hoping for a Hawks shellacking of the Nucks just to shut their fans up, well and because I’d love to see the Hawks annihilate VC.
All I can say after last night is WOW and Amazing! There is no quit in this team, a true champion.
Thank you, Jeebus
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on Apr 25, 2011 7:18 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
at least bobby lu
won’t have to hear the dagger tuesday! unless the players want to sing it. AV’s goaliue move risky at best, and the injury really made it backfire . is it possible lu’s psychiatrist was waiting for him on the plane.
what's next?
Have to give Vancouver credit.
They really rallied around Lou. Weren’t letting us breathe. Hard to play against a inspired team.
kept thinking
about Sam’s (I think) comment that the thing that would make a difference wasn’t the first goal but the second. And I think that really was the key—the Hawks stayed in it, and the Nucks couldn’t get them out.
Hey guys, Pens fan here. Many, many congratulations on last night’s win! I was hoping it would be Toews with the game winner but hell, Smith works too. I think Vigneault’s decision not to start Luongo was a terrible one and yes, I know the Nucks outplayed you but man, what a game. I thought the Boston-Montreal 2-1 game was the best thus far but I am now going with Game 6. Good luck for Tuesday, and fingers are crossed here for a Blackhawks victory (if that hopefully happens, Caps’ and Bruins’ fans will be thanking you for making everyone forgot about their collapse last year).
You are very welcome. Over in the East, the Bruins-Habs series is finally living up to its billing as the most exciting series but man, this one trumps it in every way. Last night’s victory is, I think, the best game played so far in these playoffs (mind you, I missed the Sharks’ comeback from 4-0 against LA), at least according to me. So good luck Tuesday. I am staying awake for that one for sure.
I agree that out East
the Bruins / Habs games have been the most fun to watch. The Sharks comeback was something else the other night too. I don’t mind the OT games when my team isn’t involved. I think tomorrow night might just be the death of me.
There's always hope, and no matter what you can't take June 2010 away from me.
Re: Bickell detroying Bieska behind the net
THAT’S how hit someone clean. Bickell made contact with his shoulder first. “A step to the left” (gags) and he could have taken his head off. Bicks just blew his ass up and it was clean.
I have to disagree
Or at least disagree with the NHL’s idiotic interpretation of what exactly constitutes a minor penalty in that situation. However, I’ve always believed that karma is indeed a bitch, and watching Bieksa cry to the refs after that hit was one of the most satisfying things I’ve seen yet in this series. What a bunch of whiny girly – men they are, they can readily dish it out but never can take it. If you’re going to play head – shot hockey, don’t cry when it comes back to bit you in your arse.
But Bolly's hit was incredible
Guy’s outweighed by something like 60 pounds, yet drove Hamhock into the boards and left him stunned.
Bolland smoking a little Easter ham?
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
If anyone has a .gif
of that hit, I would love to see it posted. I could watch it over and over and over again.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
how about a quote?
“Yeah, that was a big hit,” Bolland said. “That’s a clean hit, too, right? So it was satisfying. It led to a big goal as well.”
We like our people!
She asked him how he thought Crawford has done so far
And Bolland smiles and goes, “Corey? Yeah, Corey’s been alright.”
He probably said this with his murderface on
=
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
He wins the Charlie Manson Creepy Looks award, don't he
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
the name slips me but
he looks like Ed Norton in American History X
Chicago Blackhawks: No Longer Rusted Steel on Slush!
Could have gone for his head
but didn’t. Take that, Nuck trash.
by stanfordron on Apr 25, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I'm still alive
Or in hell at work but this was incedible. I’m still in shock. Going to OT was too much but the positive is we pulled this ot, and going to a 7th game should be fun and exciting. I for one can not wait!
If you believe torres should have been suspended then I think
Bickell should be suspended for his hit on Bieska (gotta start somewhere).
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
I don'tknow the rules
But wasn’t Bickell a hit with his shoulder and Torres hit with the elbow? Does that make a difference?
But anyways both hits were in the “Thunderdome” zone, so anything goes, no suspensions.
I really don't know
the two hits looked eerily similar to me. Should it have been a penalty, maybe, but it appeared the refs were determined not to play a role in deciding this game and swallowed their whistles for most of the second half of the game.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
nah the torres hit wasn't an elbow
but it was a brutal INTERFERENCE hit
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 25, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
People seem to
Forget this. “Torres got a penalty so should bickell” Torres got 2 min for interference, not a 5 min major for the headshot. You can’t hit a guy before he gets the puck. Bickells definitely wasn’t interference.
by Speed3 on Apr 25, 2011 2:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Negative ghostrider
At first I thought so. There are several different replay’s available and on one of them you can clearly see that Bickell makes shoulder to shoulder contact FIRST. That’s a huge distinction. I cannot stress it enough, actually.
He ended up hitting Bieska in the head, but that was after initial contact with the shoulder.
In other words, it was a completely clean hit.
They'll claim this "behind the net" nonsense,
but if they want to reduce concussions (and that’s what I want) both of these hits (and they are almost imperceptible) need to have serious consequences.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
I agree for the most part. That is what it will fall under is the "hitting zone" stuff...
But if they want to get rid of it, then they both are dangerous at the very least.
Torres’ hit was interference because Seabs did not have clearly defined possession of the puck when he was hit.
Bickell’s was clean (but certainly dangerous) based upon the puck possession.
That is really the only difference between the two – aside from the fact that Torres had just returned from a suspension for doing essentially the same thing and therefore should have known that there would be an official’s spotlight on him that night.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
They should both be suspended
But the league has set the rule. Behind the net is a street fight. It’s wrong,
Why doesn’t Bieksa have to go to the quiet room?
Does he have to pass tests before he could play (not that he has ever passed a test)?
What were we talking about?
Bicks hit was shoulder to shoulder
- first. Then he slid through the should and hit him in the head. Huge difference.
Torres had a head of steam going
…….I really thought Bickell was more square to Bieksa jaw
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Bickell v Torres hits
Though I thought Bickell’s point of contact was shoulder while I believe Torres connected with Seabs’ chin….. I may be biased. The clear difference was Bieksa touched the puck and actually peeked up before looking down at the puck again and getting rocked. So Bickell defo didn’t deserve the “interference” penalty Torres earned…. and arguably Bieksa was not or at least less “defenseless” as Seabrook when getting hit.
Rule 48
Rule 48 doesn’t protect a player from a headshot. It protects a player from a headshot that is a blindside hit, an elbow, a launch, or a late hit. Probably should also include early hits but it doesn’t.
And the whole “hitting zone behind the net” is, imo, mistated. You can’t blindside hit a player behind the net. At least what the league determines to be a blindside hit. The Mitchel hit on Toews is what they consider a blind side hit. Skating from around 90 degrees into a player looking the other way.
Torres hit was interference by the rulebook (not by C. Campbell’s definition of it, btw).
Bickell’s hit was legal. The only argument could be charging but if they called that charging then half the hits in these playoffs would be a penalty.
right - and "charging" in the NHL is like "traveling" in the NBA
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
the only thing I see Nuck fans having an issue with...
is Bickell leaving his feet. Not sure how that plays within the rules so maybe you could clarify if that’s legal or not?
Without going to the rulebook, it is a matter of leaving your feet to MAKE a hit
as opposed to leaving your feet during the act of making/finishing the check.
If you go and find the gif of Kronwall flattening Havlat, you will very clearly see him leave his feet to initiate the contact.
I didn’t notice Bicks leaving his feet to make the hit, but a: I am biased, and b: the angle of the camera didn’t allow a very clear look at his feet as the hit occurred that I can recall.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Launching
What Power said. To get the call on leaving your feet you have to Launch before you make the hit. Turn yourself into a missile
Generally you don’t get a penalty for launching when your feet are under your body at the time of the hit. When your feet are behind your body you will see the ref make that call. Maybe there is a different view then what I saw but from what I saw, I don’t see how the ref would call leaving your feet to make that hit.
You first have to prove
that Bieksa HAS a brain that is capable of being degraded.
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
I believe Torres should have been suspended
And if he would have been, I’d have no problem with Bickell getting the same treatment. However, as the NHL has declared the back of the net a war-zone, Bicks getting suspended now would be a joke and a mockery of the NHL justice system (as if it wasn’t bad enough already).
But if Torres wasn't, then niether should Bicks
"Change the channel, Mike Milbury is making my IQ drop"
Thunderdome hits...
Look back at Brian Campbell’s big hit in game 5. That hit shows that players can effectively remove the puck from a player without going high. Any replay of that hit shows that Campbell had him lined up and could have really done some serious damage.
Argue all you want about the ‘legality’ of these hits, but the league needs to address this before they someone ends their career on one of these hits. Don’t agree with me? How do you think Penguins fans feel about seeing their franchise in the booth since January and how would you feel if it was Toews or Kane in that position.
However, I did argue that Canucks cams would defend the Torres hit…until it happened to one of their own. A current look at NucksMisconduct will tell you that has now happened. Karma’s a bitch…
by StopItRightThere on Apr 25, 2011 9:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Dave Bolland
I have to ask . . . are we ever allowed to speak badly of this guy again?
btw . . . I think Hamhuis may still be falling backwards.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I'd been wondering whose jersey to get next - its settled: Bolland
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I thought the same thing
Bolland it has to be sorry to steal some thunder but i can’t say and think enough how important this guy was and is
Bolland's line
And i know I might be pushing things but could people show a little love to Bickell as well. OK, I’d settle for less outright hate. :)
That Bickell/Bolland/Frolik line might be the Hawks third line next year. It looks pretty good to me. And Bickell and Frolik are the two best defensive wingers on the Hawks. Sedins have been minus minus minus since they have matched up against them…
Bickell and Frolik often look great - when Bolland is playing
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
wingers vs center.
True on Bolland but Toews hasn’t been able to make Hossa and Sharp look great playing defense. So unless you want to say Bolland is MUCH better defensively then Toews, the wingers have “something” to do with it…
The big difference
is that Toews’ line is generally going up against the other team’s checking line. While Bolland is going up against the Sedin line. There is a big difference there in terms of the defensive skill and effort facing Toews’s line vs. Bolland’s
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
So you're therefore stating that Toews isn't as good of a defensive center as Bolland, right?
Since Toews faces more defensive lines and Bolland plays against more offensive lines.
It’s amazing how everyone wants to play two side of the same coin just to avoid giving Bickell the benefit of the doubt.
Dale, your attempt to get the Brian Bickell fan club off the ground is a complete failure.
C’mon it’s obvious that Bickell’s numbers are only a result of playing on a line with Bolland. Whereas Stalberg, for example, can’t do fucking shit even when he’s on a line with Toews AND Kane.
I also enjoy how everyone suddenly loves Frolik and now the Hawks are “allowed” to keep him because he scored. The kid’s been doing the dirty work and winning the battles since he got here.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 25, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
can't agree more abotu Frolik... I have loved him since day one.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
I am not sure about Day 1
but I think on Day 2 I posted he was better than Versteeg or Versteeg!.
Third line
Everyone has talked this year about needing a better bottom 6 for this team. What is interesting to me is that the Hawks third line might be the only one that stays totally intact for next year.
Toews vs the twins
Hawks tried to match Toews, Hossa and Sharp in ones vs ones when Bolland was hurt. They kept losing that battle.
The center is indeed the most important forward on a defensive line. But the wingers matter too…
After that hit by Bicks last night
he’s moving up on my list. I’ve not been his biggest fan but I am starting to appreciate him more. I’d love to see him use the body like that more often.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Bolland can play like shit all season long every season if he wants to keep showing up like this in the playoffs.
The man is worth his weight in gold in the post-season. Anyone who wants to get rid of him is certifiably insane.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Anyone ever see Claude Lemieux looking for a job?
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
I've Noticed
hawks61 is mysteriously quiet on this issue. I am also praying that I can tell McClure he was right about Vancouver not being an elite team even though I still believe they are a better team than the Hawks.
"They can play a little four corners now if they want to."
by Pat Foley's Jokes on Apr 25, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you on that.
I’d be damn proud to wear a 36 on my back. He’s our own little psycho and I’m damn glad to have him.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
That was my playing style too - so it would be appropriate
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Would it be a jersey foul
to get a 36 with RAT across the back?
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
I say yeah... Just put Bolland, give the guy his due.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Oh, I know.
I wouldn’t get it for myself, but if I saw it on someone else at the UC, I think I’d crack a smile.
BTW, saw a guy rocking a Sioux #9 last night. Very cool.
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
I just read the NM wrap. Then I wiped my ass.
Frolik Dived? Give me a fucking break. (Fucking whiny cry babies)
Bieksa hit was exactly the same as Torres, except Bickell is not a fucking repeat offender idiot, so the refs are not looking for him. Also, as you all wanted and whined about when Torres went after Seabrook and INJURED HIM, the league specifically said there was nothing wrong with the hit because it was in the thunderdome. The refs paid attention and let the play continue. It should be a game and a fine, but the league set the ground rules with your guy, so you live by it, your die by it.
I don’t think our guys give a fuck who you start in the net, it’s a one game series.
Angst anyone?
What were we talking about?
Re: Frolik diving
Let’s just say that Frolik was going down on his own, prior to contact. It’s a matter of a few milliseconds between “him diving” and Hamius hitting his skates with his stick before contacting the puck, which would have ultimately ended in the same result: a penalty shot.
And why focus on that anyway? The bottom line is Fro got loose thanks to a poor defensive effort.
I don't think he dove either
AT ALL. I’m saying… does it matter? Hamius was going to take him out skates first regardless.
Froli probably doesn't lose the edge if the stick didn't get him
it was completely correct to call something there
the only questionable aspect is whether it should have been a penalty shot or a minor
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
And
they completely ignore the fact Hamhuis was a step behind Fro and took a swing at his legs that had no chance of touching puck. Whether Fro fell on purpose or not, the penalty was committed before the fall.
by stanfordron on Apr 25, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
They say he was going down before Hamhuis touched him
But to me it just looked like he was leaning to protect the puck & turn. No idea where they’re getting the dive from.
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I agree
I saw Frolik turn and lower his shoulder to cut across in front of the net and then get tripped by Hamhuis’ stick.
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"No idea where they’re getting the dive from."
Thing 1 + Thing 2.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 25, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I also thought
that Bieksa had already touched the puck when Bickel hit him, whereas when Torres hit Seabrook, the puck had not arrived at Seabrook yet.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Either play Seabs or Bieksa was a head shot
……Actually I thought Bickell got more “head” then Torres did. The difference is Torres has a reputation of a dirty player and Bickell has a reputation of shying away from the body.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Looked like Bickell started shoulder to shoulder - then slide to head as Bieksa folded
and, of course, Bieksa had the puck
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Exactly!
Lost in this whole new dialogue about where the hit originated, was it shoulder or elbow, was the head targeted, etc…
Is the biggest question of all: Was the puck in play?
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 25, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotta say.
Why are there penaties? One reason is to reduce injuries. These types of penalties aren’t subtracting style points. Concussions are out of control in hockey. Got to eliminate head hits – in any form.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
You can't eliminate head hits
They are part of the game. You can eliminate unnecessarily brutal hits where the puck is optional. That is the difference between the Torres hit and the Bickell hit. Both guys actually had the shoulder tucked, but in Torres’ case it was an unnecessary hit because the puck wasn’t there yet. Bickell was finishing a check on a guy who had just played the puck, and it wasn’t blindside.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 25, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I think this is a good distinction
if you’re trying to sort out the marginal from the wicked. If they ban all hits to the head teams will still do it unless the penalties are consistently extreme, in which case the game changes a lot because many of these hits are otherwise clean except for a choice or a fail by the recipient just before contact. You also have the problem of physics and angle and height difference so that you’d need to make it Greco-Roman hockey but then everyone would have clear brains and Bobby Orr knees. I exaggerate, but I think a total ban either doesn’t solve the problem or replaces it with another problem unacceptable to the hockey world (and not just the Cro-Magnons among us).
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 25, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hear, Hear!
well said
I’m fully with you on this one
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
NHL rulebook
Personally, I think if you call charging and boarding the way they are written in the NHL rulebook then most of the concussion issues go away.
very possibly so - BUT
“finishing your check” is some sort of religious sacrament in Canada. The Toronto cabal will have a great deal of trouble coming around on that one
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I don't really have much to add
but this is the second time you’ve each discussed charging in this thread and each time I think you’ve both made good points. +2 ea.
um, i meant anti-Greco-Roman hockey. Roman-Greco hockey. Outlaw all hits above the waist and you’ll solve the headshots problem. Otherwise probably not.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 25, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It's always interesting to me how people looking at the same thing can see it so differently.
I understand how one’s perspective can be skewed by emotion but even among Hawks fans there is debate on that Bickell hit, which was clean in my mind for the reasons Krome outlined. Slightly similar to the Bieksa hit, but I felt Bieksa led with his elbow and only hit Seabs head.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
damn it, yes. sigh…
i think i’ll join the army to avoid the draft now.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I know some good recruiters in the local area, and I'm like a god at the
processing station – I can put in a good word for you.
;)
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Convicted?
No. Never convicted.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
It looked like he may have left his feet a little bit there
But it’s a fine line, and since the Nucks have not only stepped over that line but have literally stomped it to shreds, tough shit for them. You reap what you sow.
Yes, that was
what I thought as I watched it – obviously glad it wasn’t called
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Did anyone notice there were over 2800 comments in last night's game threads?
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Yeah, but they're all from bandwagonners
who hadn’t watched a hockey game before 2006, so it only really counts as like 500 in some NMers books.
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...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
I love the bandwagon argument from any team in any sport
Yes, there are new fans that get to bask in the joy of a championship team while you fail year after year. I hope your high horse keeps you warm at night.
by shinkicker on Apr 25, 2011 9:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am a proud bandwagoner - I got on it in 1966 or 1967
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
i made the argument the other day
that we’re all bandwagoners, we just jumped on at different times. Isn’t that how you become a lifelong fan? Jump on the wagon at some point in your life and then never jump off?
Where are we going? And why are we all in this hand-basket??
Yes and No
I became a Hawks fan, and a fan of hockey while in college. NHL ’95 changed my life. /pathetic.
But I’m a Bears fan, and I think the seed was planted in the womb. I mean…
Yeah.
Skags usually won’t leave us alone at WCG.
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Who was the guy who said our goalie had to steal a game in this series
I forgot who it was, but he should come back here and acknowledge the obvious – Crow stole a win for his team last night, period. Anyone who says he didn’t have any highlight saves last night has no recognition of the performance he gave in the net.
He was stellar........Canucks were on top of thier game
….we were behind our game
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Yeah, we were lucky
I was watching the rest of the 3rd and overtime with my hands partially covering my eyes, it looked like a train wreck in slo – motion where it was all but inevitable they were going to close this thing out, once and for all. I hope to hell our guys realize that they cannot win in VAN playing that way again, and that the karmic wheel of justice can only go so far in the playoffs.
That
is the weird thing about AV’s comments declaring that they played their best game last night. Really? You want to tell your team that they can play their absolutely best game (while it was also clear to everyone that the Hawks did not play their best game) and they still couldn’t win against Chicago? Talk about fucking with your head.
It's ours until you pry it from our cold dead hands.
Time on Ice.
The Canuck dominance was a little misleading. AV played his top lines the way the Hawks were doing to try and get into the playoffs. Hawks rolled 4 lines more then the Canucks did. Not sure the Canucks do that again in game 7.
Right
And really, I think to this point in the series, the Hawks have out played the Nucks. Minus the first period of the first game, and the 3rd period of last nights game, I think the Hawks have been the better team.
The biggest factor is the return of Fabulous Weapon, and having 3 legit scoring lines. If you’re Vancouver and you “dominate a period” because you roll your top line to the point of exhaustion… and in that period the scoreboard is a wash… YIKES.
I FUCKING LOVE that I can call him Fabulous Weapon and it actually fit.
If game 7 is tied or they fall behind at all, I think it will be ALL that thay do. They can’t risk falling back 2 goals. You’ll see their 4th liners rival John Scott in TOI. Their 3rd line will just see PK time. I’m expecting a carbon copy of Sunday as far as their approach. As for their resolve and polish after the last 3 games? That is where the questions come in.
WAIT FOR THE WHISTLE!!!!
I don't think the Hawks rolled 4 lines at any point last night
they pretty much played the whole game on 3 lines while adding Johnson to whatever line was taking a defensive zone draw and spotting Brouwer into certain situations. But without looking at the shift charts I would be shocked to see that the 4th line of Brouwer-Johnson-Scott had more than about 2 shifts together.
And while I don’t pretend to know what either coach is thinking I would expect each coach to shorten the bench and give huge minutes to the top players in Game 7.
correct
i did see Brouwer and Johnson out with Kane for one shift, then with Hossa a bit later, but that was it.
We like our people!
All I know is that last week at this time...
…I felt like a terminal case that was begging to be put out of my misery.
Now I’m sitting here basking in the glory of an amazing, improbable comeback.
I have no idea how Tuesday will turn out, but I do know that the boys have stood tall when it mattered and given us plenty of reasons to feel very pumped about the future.
And every day I don’t have to focus too much on the Cubs is automatically a good day.
what i think about the Hawks' lines
1. I love Bolland, but his real value is making other, oridinary players better. Bickel coming to life with two goals in the last three games, Frolik like a completely different player. These three have taken on the Sedins and beaten them. Extraordinary.
2. What about DDN? The effort’s been good, but I thought Toews had his worst game of the series last night, and, after 6 games, the pair has one redirection goal in total. I thought Stalberg was a complete non-factor last night, and it’s Brouwer’s turn for another crack there to see if they can generate a goal or two.
3. Sharp and Hossa. There is no play-maker there. I thought Smith was the best guy on that line last night. These guys simply have to play better, considering who they are skating against (usually Raymond I think.)
4. Please sit Scott. pretty fucking please?
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Apr 25, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Toews
Is he injured or just gassed from the pre-Bolland games?
He has had some moments of genius
It seems like he is just slumping. Maybe he will break the goal drought Tuesday night with a game winner.
He's had a number of breakaway chances throughout this series
and once again last night he was able to drive the net alone even if it wasn’t in the traditional breakaway mold so he’s had his chances. He just needs a dirty, dirty slumpbuster.
did somebody say Brouwer?
2) Brouw did get a couple shifts with DDN last night, but then Q went right back to Stalberg.
3) Sharp and Hoss were non-factors until OT and it was pissing me off. I don’t get too much into prognosticating, but before OT I told my old man that either Hoss or Sharp would have to make a play on the game winner, and I was lucky enough to get that one right.
4) 59 seconds, and 1 of his 3 shifts were on defense once Q realized that he was completely useless at forward (funny, everyone else realized this several months ago). I know that 4th liners don’t get a lot of time in the playoffs, but still, the hawks skated like 76 minutes last night with 11 forwards. Dumb.
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You are correct sir
Had my doubts about Brow recently, but Stals is not getting the job done – have to put the big guy in next game, absolutely must – have.
I can only figure Scott was dressed as Seabs insurance - to avoid going with 5 D if Seabs wasn't up to it
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I sure hope that's it
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
anyone else interested in pairing kruger with hossa?
the kids a playmaker.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 25, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
DDN have some nice assists though
and in the absence of goals I will take them
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by justforkicks on Apr 25, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
was anyone else completely
pissed at Crawford for giving up that first third goal…
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THAT was the one that pissed me off.
The first goal was just a weird lucky bounce.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I was much more pissed at the team
for getting caught deep in the Vancouver end that led to the transition play they scored on.
I was more angry with Hjammer for the giveaway.
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by HjammerTime on Apr 25, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Frolik
Is the poor man’s Hossa. Great play in all 3 zones and pretty good at making his way through traffic.
and, alas, some surprizing trouble finishing as often as he should
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
All I know is
The dude buried a penalty shot, in the 3rd period of a must win game against a goalie he’s never seen, to tie the game.
A penalty shot that no other Hawk had ever made in the playoffs
There's always hope, and no matter what you can't take June 2010 away from me.
I like him a lot, always have
thinking maybe he gets SO consideration next season (assuming he’s back)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Frolik = Versteeg 2.0
I think Frolik slots nicely into the Versteeg role. (Not overly-physical but slick 2nd/3rd line winger).
Except he’s cheaper, smarter, better defensively, can play center (more dynamic?)….. oh and cheaper.
But can he freestyle?
not in English
in Czech? Who can tell? It all sounds free-style to me
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Considering his speaking voice
I imagine his singing to be like that SNL skit of Frankenstein singing holiday songs.
Frolik is an RFA this offseason, and given his situation this season
I don’t know that he will draw a huge set of offers. He is on the books for 1.275 currently. I think we can keep him pretty sensibly.
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
Hoss hasn't been doing much finishing lately...
The poor man’s version is looking better right now.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Some thoughts
since it’s too hard to fish out the topics I wanted to respond to:
- I believe Konroyd pointed out one of Scott’s 3 shifts was as a defenseman… so saying he was Seabs’s insurance could be a valid theory.
- That said, if we bench Scott: Kruger, Pisani, or Dowell?
- And where the heck is Ty Conklin?
by VerStig on Apr 25, 2011 12:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Kruger. Ive seen enough of Pisani and Dowell in this series and in Indian Head sweaters.
Also, if they bench Scott hopefully that would mean Kopy is coming back.
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by HjammerTime on Apr 25, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
or, they could just play Kruger
if Kopecky isn’t ready to go
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Obviously. Thats why I said Kruger to start.
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Forever in our shadow...
Wow. That would be just the ultimate F-U. I can’t stop giggling over the win last night. Larceny is about spot on as far as that goes., but the 4 words at the end of the post are spectacular. The Canucks would then get that same auful feeling I have whenever Lidstom has the puck in the last minute of a game vs us since that #$ always seems to bury one in the last minute. They would just expect to lose in some devastating way. That in itself would be an accomplishment. 10 years of Hawks induced phobia for all of BC. I don’t think you can ask for more.
WAIT FOR THE WHISTLE!!!!
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And now you’ve played the Schneider card, and his dadaist way of playing the puck probably cost you two goals.
dadaist…I love this.
Over at NM
they’re holding up pretty well, considering.
in fact, this is the funniest thing i’ve seen today.
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by cliffkoroll on Apr 25, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That is hysterical
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Does the kid land in the car?
Or on the ground?
Some are holding up OK
I keep trying to remind myself that there is still a game 7. But I feel today like I felt last year when we were dumped out of the playoffs. I hope the Nucks win tomorrow night. But I do not think they will. Which is a horrible feeling as well. I keep trying to tell myself that I don’t really care. It’s just sports. It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. And it almost works. Until I remember that it does indeed matter. It matters to me. And then I feel like shit all over again. I want to be funny and lighthearted and am trying to get back to that place. But it isn’t going well so far.
Just want to remind everyone, that even after last night...
Everyone dies. It is the only true and lasting justice in life.
by Powrfwd37 on Apr 25, 2011 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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