2010 - 2011 Player Evaluations: Marty Turco
by McClure on Apr 28, 2011 11:35 AM CDT
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We begin our appraisal of the Hawks' individual performances for the past year by starting in net with someone we've seen very little of since probably about December, the erstwhile Marty Turco. Turco was brought into the fold over the summer at a value price after the Hawks would not match the arbitration award to Antti Niemi. The quickness with which the deal was signed in the aftermath of the arbitration decision would have easily led one to believe that there was a gentleman's agreement from the start of free agency between Turco and the Hawks. Turco was looking for his last shot to backstop a contender, and possibly earn one more decent sized contract before hanging them up. But things didn't exactly work out that way, did they?
Contract Status: Unrestricted Free Agent (2010-2011 Cap Hit: $1.3 million)
Positives: Huh. Well. About the best thing we can say regarding Turco is that he acted incredibly professionally in light of Corey Crawford taking his job. Turco deserved far better than what he got out of the skaters in front of him, too. Early in the season, the Hawks defensive corps was a patchwork of suck, and Turco's roaming tendencies certainly didn't help things. Even though his numbers are bad even by backup standards, there were many nights where Turco kept the Hawks in the game.
Negatives: As I stated above, despite all of the elaborate fantasies we had last summer about Turco firing pucks up ice in the Hawks' transition game, it simply never translated to the on-ice product. The Hawks most mobile defensemen never figured out that they didn't need to come all the way back to retrieve the puck with Turco back there, so at the very least it would end up causing a slight hesitation between either Turco or a D-man, giving a forechecker that split second longer to close on the puck, if not an out-and-out turnover. Additionally, Turco never seemed to be comfortable positionally this year, and found himself making saves with his ass turned toward the play more often than one would think humanly possible.
Defining Moment: Sad as it is, there's not much on-ice to choose from. The early season shootout win against Vancouver was nice, and his lone shutout came against the Oil, so it doesn't really count. So, with all of his new found free time on the bench, Turco being the class clown he's always been had to find new and inventive ways of entertaining himself, the most publicized of which came in Montreal, where he was making bets with a fan.
Final Grade: D+. Sorry Marty, as likeable a guy as you are, and as much as we all wanted you to succeed here, there was a reason you couldn't be trusted to give a clearly overworked Corey Crawford even the slightest break down the stretch when the Hawks were chasing points, even against Eastern Conference opponents. There's a bit of leeway for the circumstances faced and the effort given, but it wasn't enough.
Outlook: Turco will be turning 36 in August, and can be signed to an incentive-laden contract if the Hawks so choose. Getting him back at $1.0 million or less as the defined backup coming into the season might not be the worst idea, as he'll be able to give a breather to Crawford when the Hawks (hopefully) aren't chasing so early in the season. But, with the acquisition of Alexander Salak in the Jack Skille/Michael Frolik trade, the Hawks may think he's ready for North America. If nothing else, we can be assured that Marty will undoubtedly land on his feet with a color commentating gig somewhere.
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Rule no. 1 : Let the millionaires buy you the beer.
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by HjammerTime on Apr 28, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
because you're on this website talking about the hawks at 11 in the morning.
haha nothing but love. :D
They should make a commercial of his antics with that lead-in.
He really did take the benching professionally and I loved seeing him joke around on the bench. And the bet was a pretty cool thing, especially for the fan. I wonder if he’ll be back or if Toivonen could be a back-up to Crawford.
Toivonen
Hannu isn’t actually very good, is he?
We really don't want to see any of this
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by stacie7 on Apr 28, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha. Ive never seen that before, That is absolutely hysterical.
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by HjammerTime on Apr 28, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
damn
I really wanted the first degree commercial joke, kudos to you.
Marcus Kruger? Sounds like one of them old time car horns, K-uger! K-uger!
Some heads had to roll ...
in the Degree marketing department for getting him as a spokesman, right? He should be like doing commercials for the Debuke Iowa Greyhound Track and Casino, not major brand products.
by Billy Charlesbois on Apr 28, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
what can turco really bring to the table for next season?
hes a good guy and all but the hawks dont need to pay a class clown $1.3m to sit on his ass. im sure it was beneficial to crow one way or another to have him around but hes gotta go
by black_hawk(eye)fan on Apr 28, 2011 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
We all know this is why we liked him
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by stacie7 on Apr 28, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 17 recs
I'm Rec'ing that.
Because every time I see it, I laugh heartily.
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by 10thMountainFire on Apr 28, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you Stacie
that’s the first time I’ve laughed since Tuesday
by Chris Roberts on Apr 28, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It will get better every day
/hug
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Lol, I'm a blues fan, and even I think that's pretty funny.
by nintendofan24 on Apr 28, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah it was fun seeing him smiling/laughing with Turco after
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by justforkicks on Apr 28, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
One factor has been forgotten
Marty’s quasi-tutelage over Crawford. I’ve read a few quotes from Crawford where he credits Turco with lots of help on his game and always being a source of knowledge. You can see it when Crawford heads to the bench and immediatley exchanges words with Turco. The two seem close.
Can I prove that this left an indelible mark on Crawford and was part of his success? Nope. But he had a hell of a season, and I think it would be unjust to say that a rookie in the NHL would not benefit from having someone as magnanimous and seasoned at Marty Turco assisting from start to finish.
I agree that it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have him still be our backup
As long as we can keep both him an Crawford for decent salaries that is. It’s not our goalie tandem that was broken. We need a little bulked up D corp and another true center.
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Given Crow's penchant for long consecutive starts, I don't see our back-up needing to play more than 30 games.
I really like the inexpensive Turco on the bench. I would not be upset if they kept him.
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by 10thMountainFire on Apr 28, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
We know he can win games
The eye test (and Crawford’s sound bites) tell us he has been a good mentor. If everyone is willing and it fits in the budget – why not?
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The Goalie Guild did a scouting report on the future of Hawks goaltending
and he said Salak could honestly be ready to become Corey’s backup next year. If he’s ready, it might not be a bad idea to promote from within? link
i call everyone 'bro' regardless of gender or age... which makes running into old ladies at the grocery store kind of awkward.
Isn't it nice to have some decent goalie options?
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I'd rather have him(salak) in rockford for a season
1. to get used to the n. american game
2. I’m sure he would be our number 1 in Rock Vegas so he would get more starts.
3. the last thing we need is a goalie controversy. Keep Crow as the number 1 and find a veteran to back him up.If it’s Turco at an even further discount it would be even better. They obviously already have a repor.
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Is the difference between the N. American game and the European game as big a deal for a goaltender?
Also, doesn’t he have AHL experience? On your point about a controversy, wouldn’t the only way that could come about is if Crawford dropped the ball in a big way?
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You are correct, he doesn't need the AHL
From hockeysfuture.com:
2009-10: Salak got off to a great start with Rochester (AHL) in his first pro season in North America, losing only once through October and November. Despite struggling down the stretch, he was a big factor in the Amerks becoming a playoff team after finishing in the AHL North basement in 2008-09. Salak was 29-14-0 with 1 shutout in 48 games and allowed 2.89 goals per game with a .923 save percentage.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Can Salak refuse to come play in America in an AHL role?
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I won't pretend to know
But I don’t think he can refuse. If the hawks sign him to a contract, and I think they will for around 800K, I would think it would be to back up Crawford.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He is an RFA
One of the reasons he was traded for so little is that there is concern of resigning him to another NHL (North American) contract. He might not come back to America and there was concern that he might not come back if it means going back to the AHL.
I’m thinking a one way contract and some assurances that he will be the backup for the Hawks will be needed to get him to come back over here.
That sounds reasonable
I’d be happy to have him as a backup for around 800K.
Wasn’t the fact that Florida’s got a lot of goalie depth also a factoring in trading him for so little?
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Florida
Yea he was like 4th or 5th on their depth chart. I still think sign-ability was the big issue, though. No way Florida was going to be able to resign him. They didn’t have a slot for him on the NHL team.
To me his trade value has as much to do with your NHL roster as it does with Salak’s Talent. If he is only re-signable if you have an NHL roster spot for him, that limits which teams would be interested in him…
Yes they have that Markstrom guy who is supposed to be money.
I dont want to risk a good goalie staying in Europe or waiting us out and signing with someone else simply to say thank you to Marty Turco.
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His current contract
pays him
$62,500 in the AHL
$875,000 in the NHL
His current contract (Entry Level) plus bonuses give him a (current) cap hit of $1,300,00.00.
I don’t know if he’ll sign a non-EL contract for less than 900k or not, but there were very real concerns about him returning to Europe.
It might take the full
ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
To keep him here.
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Are we sure about his RFA status?
I thought that his entry level deal allowed the contract owner to add an additional year, since he has played less than 10 games in the NHL.
That's what I have been wondering about.
Salak madde 1.3 this year, so I’m curious as to how he gets paid this year. I wouldn’t expect a cut in pay, but like I said, I’m not sure how that is gonna’ play out.
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As I understand it he didn't make 1.3
That was the cap hit on his EL deal. His NHL salary was 875K.
If you play around with the qualifying offer tool on capgeek, it says a reasonable qualifying offer would be about 800K.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 6:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
150K
Salak made 150K this year. His signing bonus and AHL side of his contract combined was 150K.
His NHL salary and Bonus money was simply paper numbers. He only would get the 875K if he was in the NHL and the bonus money was only if he did something in the NHL. Neither of those numbers mean anything since he wasn’t an NHL player.
A player similar to this was Skille. He never made his 1.something million NHL salary last year and settled for a 500K one way deal.
For Salak it will be about a one way deal. And the opportunity to play in the NHL
I have heard of it being an adjustment to play in the narrower NA rinks
after playing in the much wider Euro rinks (it affects positioning and perceptions in playing angles on shooters).
Although Salak seemed to play pretty well in his prior AHL season.
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Salak's reputation
I thought Salak had a reputation of being more athletic then positionally sound. In the past he had a style more similar to Hasek then a goalie like Crawford.
Panda’s link is interesting because if Salak does become positionally more sound he supposedly has the talent to play in the NHL.
He's also got a bit of a temper
Suspended two games this year for chasing someone down and hitting them with his blocker.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
We loved Eddie the Eagle for shit like that!
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Damn
He catches better with his blocker than Luongo does with his glove.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 29, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
As a goalie, it is an adjustment - but not overwhelming
The angles are different, and you can find yourself out of position until you get used to it. Most of the (men’s league) rinks around Chicago have an NHL and international size rink under one roof, and you wind up switching rinks all season long. – It’s a bitch.
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I'll have to disagree with you there sweetheart
It would be the worst thing in the world to have Turco still be our backup
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I do take offence to you calling me sweetheart CNS :p
I still say it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, but I’m not going to shed a tear if he isn’t with us next year either. After looking at the reports on Salak and Carruth it looks like we could be just fine with one of them too.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmm I think sweetheart is better than being called a "tart"
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some of us are fond of tarts
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It needs more cowbell.
Personally, having a guy like Ray Emery to challenge Crawford next season might be a better solution for the backup position. If anything we’ve learned from the Price situation in Montreal, Howard in Detroit, and Mason in Columbus is that if Crawford falters you better have a solid second option in goal.
If Crawford suffers the sophomore slump, having to turn to an aged Turco or an unproven rookie like Salak could potentially spell disaster.
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if we could get Ray Emery
That would be great. You look at Niemi this year and can see that one season doesn’t equal constant success. Players slump. Furthermore, Crawford is 26 years old. He is what he is. There were times in Rockford where I was really frustrated with Crawford. He gets caught by surprise often.
I don't understand the Niemi reference
Did he slump this year?
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 6:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yea he was not very good for the first half
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 28, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I know that
But then he rebounded to put up better numbers than he did last year, once he got used to playing behind a new team.
It was a lazy comparison to make.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You think Ray Emery would be a good investment for a team up against the cap?
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Agreed. Emery won’t come cheap. He had great success down the stretch, and even if he only get back-up offers due to the injury questions, it’ll be at the highest end of the salary range, I’d think. We wouldn’t be able to afford him.
Our back-up budget won’t be much more than a 1 or 1.5 max, I’d think.
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but didn’t he have some problems with that hip again toward the end? he’s great when he’s healthy
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 28, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure. I know he wasn’t slated to start the series because of some health-related thing. But he came in for Ellis that first game. and stayed. I don’t really know. Either way—he’s not 100%, in which case I don’t want him. Or he’s 100%, in which case he’ll garner significant enough interest to price him out of the Hawk’s range.
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and there's been some credible talk
that Turco is popular and appreciated by players for his style and work ethic during practice skates. We as typical fans might not see this, but it should factor in somehow to an overall evaluation of his role on this team.
As for his performance in games, we all know from watching him over the years that he’s a better goalie than he showed us last year. I don’t think he lost his skills due to age or whatever, I think he just needed more time to adjust to a new team, and with his unique and sometimes quirky style, they needed more time to adjust to him. And it didn’t help that he was left out to dry so often by his D during games early in the season when he was trying to get into his groove.
He’s a skilled, experienced goalie who is well-liked and has leadership qualities. He’s willing to play the role of mentor, put his ego aside for the sake of his team, and work hard to stay ready if he’s called on to start. His days as a Vezina finalist may be behind him, but he’s still a solid performer with some gas left in the tank. What more could you want for the number two spot? I hope he stays.
by Gate3anuhHalf on Apr 28, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I'm gonna green this.
Because I agree with it.
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by 10thMountainFire on Apr 28, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree too.
There’s something to be said for leadership and stability be brings to the team in general as well as his impact on Crawford. I too would like him to stay as his presence would have a positive impact on the team.
This is a rec
Because org’s use more than the eye test (thankfully)
If he’s a good practice guy, locker room guy, competent backup, awesome, why wouldn’t he come back on the cheaps? He sure didn’t earn himself a job for another team this year, be it his faults or the early season defense.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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but I believe Turco was the worst goalie in the NHL over the past 3 yrs of goalies who had at least 20 starts per season.
Sure, he seems like a great guy, so does John Scott.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
And may I add
goalie is one position where you can’t afford to keep around a subpar performer who happens to be “a character guy.” That’s a great way to rely on another team to lose in order to get into the playoffs.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
ahh, I caught that
That’s a great way to rely on another team to lose in order to get into the playoffs.
Of course, we would never have to worry about something like that. Not with this team. Not with this core.
Although I'm oversimplifying things here
and not many who believe the Hawks “didn’t give enough effort” or “weren’t a good team” this year will believe me anyhow…
When normalized, Crawford and Luongo had nearly identical stats. The biggest thing that affected the final records of Chicago and Vancouver was backup goaltending.
Schneider: 16-4-2, .930 SV%, 2.23 GAA
Turco: 11-11-3, .897 SV%, 3.02 GAA
Schneider had 22 decisions, Turco had 25. Just to make this simple, let’s give Schneider 25 decisions (17-5-3) which would actually worsen his PPct. Turco earned 25 pts for the Hawks, Schneider earned 37 for the Nucks. A difference of 12 pts.
Let’s switch goalies…
Hawks 97 pts + 12 pts = 109 pts
Nucks 117 pts – 12 pts = 105 pts
Turco was 40th in SV% and 39th in GAA. The Nucks were blessed with a backup who had the 3rd best SV% and 4th best GAA in the league. How many 1 goal games did the Hawks lose? I’m sure that .75 advantage in GAA would’ve helped.
Take away that advantage – along with the fact that the Nucks played in by far the weakest division in the league, and there wasn’t much separating these two teams besides some depth.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m really not arguing that Turco would be the best scenario for backup. I haven’t thoguth a ton about it all, truth be told. Knee-jerk has me thinking he could come back for a million or under. That’s one thing.
Turco’s 25 starts pretty much all came when we were a .500 team, and Schneider’s starts fell here and there in a year where the Nucks massacred everyone in a weak strength of sched. I can’t argue with your basic premise, that Turco is a shell of his former self, that there are probabl better options, but I don’t think these stats you’re using really tell us much about that. Schneider, too, is hardly a back-up. He’s on a team with Luongo. On more than half the teams in the league he’d be starting,
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two thoughts
i thought Crawford outplayed Turco by a decent margin even during the first part of the year.
also, their styles are so different, it seems like a pain in the ass for the defense to adjust. The Hawks never did get the hang of playing with Turco.
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That's quite a reach
It’s a problematic comparison on many levels, but my primary disagreement is in the notion that you’re comparing “backup goaltenders”. Cory Schneider started 22 games all year. Marty Turco started his 22nd game on Dec. 28 at St. Louis. Schneider had a defined role with the team when the year started, if I understand correctly, to start about 25 games in order for Luongo to be less fatigued when the playoffs started. Marty Turco was the Blackhawks’ starting goaltender for the first two months of the season. Although there was no official switchover date to when he became the backup, it pretty much happened on Dec 13 in my view, when he was lifted in the second period at Colorado, if not sooner, arguably Nov 24 at San Jose. Most of his starts, though, occurred when he was generally considered the team’s starting goaltender.
If one wants to compare Blackhawk backup goaltending to anyone else, in all fairness, Crawford’s stats prior to Dec 13 (or whichever date is considered agreeable) should be used and Turco’s stats after that point.
That makes no sense though
The premise here is not to simply compare “nameless” backup goalies, but to compare the performance of Turco vs Schneider regardless of what role they were in. I used the word backup because that’s the role they each ended up in. What should I call him?
You can try and say that Turco started when the Hawks were playing worse and that’s why his numbers are worse than Schneider, but SOG and SV% don’t show that to be true. Turco faced 29.3 SOG/G and Schneider face 31.2 SOG/G and still gave up .75 goals/game less because of his high SV%.
Again, as I stated right at the beginning, I’m oversimplifying things, but the fact that Vancouver had the best backup goaltender and the Hawks had one of the worst had a large impact on the their final records.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
It makes no sense?
What exactly did I say that was nonsensical?
That aside…you said:
The biggest thing that affected the final records of Chicago and Vancouver was backup goaltending
I took this assertion literally. I think you’re wrong and I explained one of the reasons why.
As far as Schneider vs Turco, comparing goaltenders from different teams is always tough. Devan Dubnyk, playing for the worst team in the leauge, had the same save pctg as Ryan Miller. Are they equal in any way? Would you say that Steve Mason is better than Tomas Vokoun because he ha a better W-L record? Turco had a better win loss record than Tuukka Rask, though the latter played for a division champion. Would you then say Marty was a better backup than Rask this year? I don’t think you would, because you’re smarter than that.
Which is why your assertion that the twelve points difference would automatically transfer from one team to the other surprised me. That is quite a reach. As you well know, wins and losses are earned by teams, of which the goalie is only a part. The record gets attached to the goalie’s stats, but W-L-OTL, GAA and SV Pctg are all team stats. Comparing goalie stats within a team is valid. Comparing across teams is problematic at best.
As far as
You can try and say that Turcoyada yada yada
I could also say gravity is a myth or hockey pucks are jelly-filled, but I didn’t. What’s the relevance of what I didn’t say?
Here’s what I would and do say. Schneider was probably the best backup in the league this year. Turco was a disappointment. I don’t know any reasonable person who would say Schneider was not the better player this season. If Schneider had not been as good, Luongo would have had to play more and that may have have hurt is performance. If Turco had been better, Crawford would not have had to start the last 27 games consecutively. Over those 27 games, Chicago was 16-7-4 and Corey’s numbers were 2.48 GAA and .913 SV Pctg with 2 SO. That’s 1.33 points per game. The biggest thing that afffected the final records of Chicago and Vancouver was not backup goaltending. The biggest differences were the weak start the Blackhawks got off to and the inconsistency and output of their top players. I don’t think you can hang those things on Marty Turco or Cory Schneider.
Wow. You Hawks fans are a desperate, petty bunch. Pretty funny watching you try to come up with lame insults AFTER the Canucks BEAT you.
If they only won the Presidents Trophy because they played in a weak div, what does that say about the fact that you’re all sitting around sad cuz you lost?
Wise people know it’s better to praise your opponent when he beats you because it means you were that much better too. Calling your opponent weak just means you got your a$$eS handed to you by a weak team.
I think you got that wrong
Wow. You Hawks Canucks (except for the cool ones) fans are a desperate, petty bunch. What does it say about you that instead of spending your time supporting you’re team you can only feel good if you go troll other blogs.
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by justforkicks on Apr 29, 2011 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't recall anyone calling the Canucks weak
only that they played in a weak divisionm which is entirely true. So fuck off.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Apr 29, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
And coming to mock that opponent (on a blog, mind you) after you beat them
instead of supporting your team? On their site? That means you’re foolish.
Or did you get banned from NM because you’re a tool?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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Lol....wait.
You’re not even a member at NM.
I feel bad for you little boy, are you lost? Do you know you’re mommy has a blog all set up for you where you can talk about the Canucks all you like instead of ragging on the team it took you 3 tries to beat?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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I don't think going losing in game 7 OT
counts as ‘getting your ass handed to you’, just sayin’.
by april o'neil on Apr 29, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed
If something were to happen to Crawford and he has to miss some time then you’ve basically fucked yourself over by forcing you to play a guy you don’t actually want starting or even really playing at all
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by Killion on Apr 29, 2011 9:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Anyone else think Turkey would make a great color man on TV one day?
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by 10thMountainFire on Apr 28, 2011 12:23 PM CDT reply actions
If we can get him on the cheap and don't have a better backup goalie, keep him.
Otherwise, have him retire and put him on staff as a goalie coach. He’d still be with a contender and have a legitimate shot at winning the chalice.
"Dave was there!"
"Dave's a killer!"
"Dave's a mess."
We have a fantastic goalie coach.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
by HjammerTime on Apr 28, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I said, "a" goalie coach, not "the" goalie coach. Surely we can carry a couple of them.
Especially since he seems to have helped Craw out.
(And I know—don’t call you Shirley.)
"Dave was there!"
"Dave's a killer!"
"Dave's a mess."
by Preacher000 on Apr 28, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno. If your going to retire freezing cold Chicago probably isn't as appealing as sunny Dallas where he has spent a good chunk of his life.
I dont think Marty is done in the NHL.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
by HjammerTime on Apr 28, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Cold Chicago still > Dallas.
But I agree with you…
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Apr 28, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol I want videos of him pranking Stephane Waite
Waite – “WHAT DID YOU PUT IN MY CAR?!?”
Turco – "LOL It’s a live wolverine!
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
by DocPepper on Apr 28, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now that's
A Degree commercial I can get behind!
Second City Hockey
by Battery on Apr 28, 2011 5:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Who else...
is going to come in and have sweet dragons and demons painted on his mask? Who? WHO?!
by redlightheadache on Apr 28, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
There's not a whole lot of likable guys on this team ...
Toews is too serious. Kane is too frat-boy. Hossa is too droopy.
I say let Turco walk around other teams stadiums instead of keeping him on the bench. I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the kiss cam with a couple of the hockey lovin’ homos in Vancouver.
by Billy Charlesbois on Apr 28, 2011 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
What is not to like about a Captain who...
carried this team the last half of the season
never loses his cool
DEKED TWO VANCOUVER PLAYERS WITH 2 MINUTES TO GO SHORTHANDED AND TIED GAME 7.
So what if he is serious. I would rather have a quiet captain than some loudmouthed jackass like Roenick or a moron like (shudder) Zhaminov.
So JR was just a loudmouthed jackass, eh?
Tell you what, genius, I’ll take 12 Roenicks on my team the whole fucking day. Sounds like you don’t even know who he really was with the Hawks, or how he busted his ass every night. I remember when he had his nose broken in like three places, and still made it onto the ice three shifts later. Then he also had his jaw crushed and promptly got it wired shut and played his heart out – and he had to take any nutrition from a damn blender for months. Oh yeah, the guy cries on camera after the hawks win as well – what a jackass.
by Waylon on Apr 28, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd for use of reply button - attaboy Waylon
now I will read what you typed…
by K_Dog on Apr 28, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'll never live that one down
Might as well get used to it – but just for that comment, I’ll keep messing up the reply button in the future. Nyah, nyah, nyah.
why you...you..smart aleck
Yes I’m afraid the reply failures will be your legacy. But hey, it could be worse, right?
Not at all, he was a very talented loudmothed jackass
I’d love to have a young JR on the Hawks again – but not as Captain
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Thank you
for standing up for my all time favorite athlete. Hell, I named my dog JR.
by Chris Roberts on Apr 28, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Put me on the love J.R. list ...
I was 11 when he broke into the league: BIG reason i started watching the Hawks.
by Billy Charlesbois on Apr 28, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The Dynamic Duo
JR is the man, but I loved the Hawks when I was little cause of Tony Amonte— my neighbor had an Amonte jersey he ALWAYS wore, and its just one of those things when you’re a kid… loved him since.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Amonte was the fucking shit.
Super nice, too.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 29, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Amonte was another one
Who didn’t get the just reward for his career – and all those injuries just kept piling up.
Maybe my favorite move of all time was a goal he had against the Red Wings.
He flies right into the slot and looks like hes going to drag it across to the backhand but stops and tucks it in on Osgood stick side. It was beautiful. I attempted this in game once, but the goalie I was playing got his leg out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlU1U8kejms
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Loud mouthed, Jackass?
JR is one of my favorite athletes of all time. Can someone find that tribute to JR when he retired? That thing broke my heart. Fate was fucked with, when JR left Chicago. It should have never happened.
Anyway, Billy, I think you need to edjumacate yourself on JR. Loud mouth Jackass, he was not.
I love JR.
Even if he is a little ‘derp’ at times (on tv and twitter).
His passion for all things hockey is totally contagious. I met him when I was a little kid and he was as excited to meet a fan as I was to meet him.
by transienthawk on Apr 28, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Standing completely still – which he probably can’t do – JR is more interesting than the entire Nashville offense.
Vancouver ahead on faceoffs 27-4. That’s like playing tennis against someone who doesn’t have a racquet.
Was it the Tennessee Ironic Society that named them the predators.
It’s not even halfway through Game 1 and I’m out of jokes
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 28, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
They’re not even hitting like I thought they would be… that’s normally their thing. Check anything that moves.
by transienthawk on Apr 28, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
BOOM!
No response Billy? Huh? Huh?
I’m thinking “I know you are but what am I?” might work.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually love all those guys I just poked fun at ...
we have a good team to root for. I’m purely talking personality wise.
by Billy Charlesbois on Apr 28, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
no need for homophobia
Seriously, its 2011. If you want to insult Canucks fans try to figure out a more imaginative way. Its not that hard. Using words like “gay” or “homo” as an insult makes you sound like an 8th grader
He's not
The “hockey luvin homos” are real.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes
I believe he was classmates with meeshak last year.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoa, whoa, whoa ...
you have a big mouth, cliff. But you’re going to shut it when you see my A- in Mr. Gentry’s shop class.
by Billy Charlesbois on Apr 28, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The Hockey Luvin Homos are on to something here
turns out the key to ending homophobic insults is the same as any other kind of insult… pump up yer guns like Hanz and Franz.
by Gate3anuhHalf on Apr 28, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Just because his name's Alain
Doesn’t mean he’s a homo. Oh, you meant the guys in pink…
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
these guys definitely have a spot in the modern, inclusive remake of Slapshot.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 28, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
*sigh*
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Marty Turco was a gentleman this season
He could have made a ton of noise about playing behind a rookie and been a cancer in the locker room. He wasn’t. I am sure down the stretch he was mentoring Crawford, keeping his head straight. Cheers Turco, and I wish you all the best.
I'm on board with Turco as a back-up
Knowing one’s role can go a long way toward success. He doesn’t have starting chops anymore, and knowing that going into a season could help, dunno. If he signs for a back-up price I’d DEFINITELY prefer him to Salak.
Salak is an entirely unknown quantity. I don’t get why people just automatically back him sight unseen. Give him a year of starts in the AHL, as a starter, and see where we are with him next year.
www.mjt.org
Backups
Turco won’t be the only backup on the market. I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing him back, but I imagine they’ll probably be able to do better.
This
I’m sure we can attract a high quality backup. We consider Turco a gentleman because he went from starter to sitter in about 3 weeks. We’ll have no trouble finding one for reasonable money who currently lacks his name on the chalice.
If that person ends up being Turco, I’m probably OK with it.
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
I'm not.
It’s time for the ‘Hawks to move on from Turco and Turco to move on to something else as I doubt there will be any team willing to pick him up after the season he just posted. Turco has had a wonderful career but he’s finished now as evidenced by the lack of starts (none to be exact) down the stretch as he couldn’t be counted on.
Did he do a great job mentoring Crawford? Absolutely! Which makes me think that he may end up back in Dallas (or somewhere) as a goaltending coach, but not as goaltender. If anything he should be commended for that as Crawford would have never had the confidence that he did without having a guy to rely on and feed him confidence that has been there before. All you need to do is look at Game 1 for that as Crawford was shaky in that first period but came out strong in the second like a different netminder.
His off-ice antics were amusing to fans like us, but the wager with the Montreal fan while the ‘Hawks were battling for their lives probably didn’t go over too well with the Bowman’s nor some of his teammates. It was funny, just ill-timed that’s all.
Off-ice – thanks for everything. The laughs and the assistance in the development of Crawford.
On-ice – good riddance.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Replace Edzo in the booth
At least he’d probably cut down on all of the insidery references they’re prone to making, and if he had to laugh at their own jokes we know he’d more likely to be actually funny. btw, some guy who was THE SCOREKEEPER WAS IN THE OLD STADIUM WHEN THEY ONLY HAD A LARGE CLOCK, AND HE HAD TO MANUALLY MOVE IT TOO!
Ditto for BadgerDano
Great guy on the bench and as a mentor (I hear) but I would hate to see him flopping around on the ice even in a backup roll next season. Thanks for the grins, Turco, but I could have done without the extra grey hairs…
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I agree that Salak should get time in Rockford first
but I’d like to see Turco back about as much as I’d like to see John Scott starting at forward next season.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Well … we haven’t tried Scott at centre, he’s only been given wing duty. How can we be so sure he’s not our number 2?
www.mjt.org
You have a point there
He has time and time again proven to be #2.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I see what you did there
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Apr 28, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Turco is #1
and by #1, I mean urine. See what I did there?
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
Scott did take a couple faceoffs this season!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
As much as I agree with this statement...
let’s not turn this into a Turco bashing column as the guy isn’t coming back here but has accomplished enough in his career to deserve a little respect from all us.
This coming from me.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
by hawks61 on Apr 28, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm
Don’t think that was bashing him. Like the guy. Really, really wished it would’ve worked out. Don’t want him back.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a generalized statement not necessarily directed at you.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
do you know for a fact he isn't coming back here?
There's always hope, and no matter what you can't take June 2010 away from me.
salak spent a year in the AHL already
29-14
.910
2.89 gaa
Maybe should spend a little more time in rockford, but he has been playing in the swedish league the last year.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 28, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
And that might be another reason as to have Huet back him up. Having a veteran with NHL experience can only benefit Salak in the long run.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
I do agree with you on Salak
Would like to see what he can do at the A before he comes up to the NHL. Having a young promising goaltender cut his teeth first in the AHL is probably the better recipe for longterm success than just thrust him into the spotlight of the NHL, even as a backup. In the long run, Salak and the ’Hawks would be better for this.
In a strange twist, I’d like to have Huet back him up. He was great mentor for another Euro goaltending prospect he had here – Niemi. He would be a great guy to have for Salak to learn from.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Yes, but wasn't Nemo's career trajectory similar
He didn’t spend much time with the Hogs, correct? And didn’t his main experience come from the KHL or something similar?
Since it was mentioned
Only the Owner benefits this season from signing a guy to an insentive laiden contract. Since there is no bonus cushion next year, his cap number would be whatever his base salary is plus his bonuses. I’m not sure how many of these will be available next year.
Can't believe this season is over, but ...
what a wonderful, heart of champion, stomach wrenching end to the season which for most of it was very unpleasant during the regular season that stretched into Game 3 of the postseason. Too bad Bolland couldn’t have returned earlier … if’s and but’s eh?
Be as it may this franchise will be a lot better for it as they’e probably struck more fear into their opponents than anything as no matter how far the ‘Hawks will have fallen they’ll find a way to get it back even. That it will take everything you have to kill them and you’ll probably have nothing left after you do.
So with that, I’d like to give a round of applause to everyone here that has commented all season and to the people that run the best house in all of the blogging land. It’s been fun even through all the Dowell and Kopecky’s as the second line center’s to the Crawford over Turco debates and everything in between … even the political ones … well maybe not those.
And even if the Detroit Red Wings win the Stanley Cup this year it will just make the taste of winning the 2012 Stanley Cup that much sweeter.
A final toast to the Champs – LET’S GO HAWKS!!!
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
by hawks61 on Apr 28, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bhawks eulogy on PD
Well, color me disappointed. I was counting on a brutal but humorous putdown but what I got was a lot less. More “Look at me write!” than anything else. Should have let someone from NM do the eulogy. They’re paranoid and insecure over at NM, but at least they can bring the funny.
I think I'm an honorary Slovakian. I'm starting to learn (the language). I know all the swear words now, anyway. Patrick Sharp
Do you think Vancouver knows
that just because they beat the champs, it doesn’t mean they are the champs? If Nashville wins tonight, then I think they’ll win the series.
Sometimes too much to drink is barely enough.
Pains me to think the Blackhawks could have had a game tonight.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Don't worry
Those rednecks will take their backsides out back and learn them Swedes some manners. Cannot wait until Bieksa’s head is torn clean off by Weber – that will be worth watching just for that moment alone (but the Bicks helicopter demolition was sweet as well) . Then the Swedes will lose their collective shit when they attempt to navigate the neutral ice among the land mines that the Preds always put there.
Shea Weber is a man.
His beard is fearsome.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 28, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Watching the game last night
I was thinking he’ll look like he should be playing with Z Z Top by the time the playoffs are over.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
what's with trolls?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Apr 29, 2011 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
What's with ovaltine?
its not round…
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
by hairhelmet on Apr 29, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's with some people being douchenozzles?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Apr 29, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
PErhaps the Hawks could do better on a Backup
But I get the feeling Turco brought more than just that to the table. How well did he mentor Craw, and how much more could he use and Truco give? How well was he in the Locker Room with the team, and a leadership figure? These are aspects we do not know the full answer too and MUST be accounted for in determining if the Hawks should pursue him as a BU. If he did all this and helped the team behind the scenes that directly affected the one ice play, I am all for bringing him back (for the right price), these are valuable things that cannot be overlooked.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions
For a backup
how much better than Turco can the Hawks do? We know we’re gonna be up against the cap yet again so how many options does that leave. This is the same as the NFL backup QB issue. As a cup contending team, I think you need that veteran presence just in case. Is he the best goalie out there, probably not but he is probably the most experienced guy we can get for around 1 mil/year.
by Chris Roberts on Apr 28, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is
that you need a goalie you can put in about 20 or so times a year. I don’t think we can find 20-25 games that we can trust Turco in. You just cannot give away that many points and expect to contend.
Decisions, decisions...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Apr 28, 2011 2:51 PM CDT reply actions
Hossa
just saw on Twitter that he plans on playing the World Championship. So much for resting that body
Chicago Blackhawks: No Longer Rusted Steel on Slush!
Not surprising, though
I thought it was pretty much a given since they’re being played in Slovakia.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised
I’ve been giving him the benefit of the doubt lately, thinking the last 4 weeks he’s been playing injured. No, he hasn’t been terrible, but his “I’m Marian Hossa and you’re not” moments are way down from March/April of last year…I assumed due to injury. Obviously this is not the case. Or, it is the case and he is continuing to play injured, in which case I say: blbec (jackass)
Huh?
He had his best March/April since his 2006-2007 season, which was his 100 point season.
This year in March/April: 19 games, 9 goal, 11 assists
Last year in March/April: 20 games, 7 goals, 10 assists
He also had a pretty strong series against VAN with 6 points in 7 games. Just because he doesn’t have those moments doesn’t mean he’s hurt. It means Vancouver was really good this year.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I knew his point totals weren’t too bad (honestly though, I was a bit surprised they were as good as you posted). But it just seemed to me like his speed was down a bit and his physical play was way off. No, he was never a guy to go knocking people around all day, but he used to have a couple well placed big hits each game. But, maybe you’re right – maybe he’s not hurt at all and Vancouver just did a good job shutting him down.
example
I know Hansen is fast, but on this breakaway he blew past Hossa like it’s John Scott in a #81jersey. I don’t think this happens to a completely Healthy Panda.
Hossa needs a good center to play with
That is a major need we have right now. We are not going to be able to move Hossa due to his contract+age, so we have to make the most of it.
Good centers
This team has three of them.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 6:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good centers
This team has two good centers
Toews +24
Bolland +11
The Teams second line centers where at least -10 and I’m thinking the number was worse…
I was thinking of Sharp
Who happened to be +10 in the playoffs last year (2nd on team) while predominantly playing center.
Look, I’d LOVE to have Sharpie play wing, where he seems more comfortable. But unless Bolland plays on the 2nd line so we can bring in a cheaper, strictly checking center for the 3rd line, I think Sharp’s gonna see a lot of time there.
You love this city and this team so much that you’d sign a contract right now if you had it? Great. Now play some fucking center.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Sharp at center.
Sharp at center this year was around a -10. To me that was the biggest deal about this year. Sharp kinda turned himself into an offensive one way player. Yea, the boost in the Power Play was nice but it was the second line that was the black hole for the team. To me you really can’t have four high end forward salaries unless two of them are centers.
Next biggest issue is that neither Brouwer or Stalberg took either of those top two line LW spots. Moving them back and forth between those spots and the 4th line took out any chance this team had for adding some size.
They really have to resolve those three top six spots.
by DaleHalas on Apr 28, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Question
Did he turn into a one-way player because he was playing center, or was our defense just terrible in general in games where we ended up putting him in at center?
The reason I ask is, he seemed to be a pretty decent two-way player when he was at center last year…
good question for Krome and company...
I think you want to ask somebody like Krome that question. See if he noticed a difference.
For me I thought it was both but at center in particular.
Looking at Sharp’s and Hossa’s overall numbers this year to last. Using Goals for and goals against per 60 minutes of play:
Sharp GF/GA
2010 2.88/2.82
2009 3.31/2.28
Hossa GF/GA
2010 2.57/2.26
2011 3.11/2.05
The Hawks really had no answer this year on the second line when Hossa was injured. And even when he played there was a dropoff in performance on that second line.
Wow that's a pretty glaring difference
Speaks a lot to our depth issues this year. Not the deep depth — the shallow depth.
Sharp at center
He’s not the defensive center Toews or Bolland are and never will be . It’s a really hard job. Sharp is a great two-way winger but…
Strike two to me is in the offensive zone. He’s a great offensive player, but everyhting about his game screams winger.
I hate typing these words, but I guess I would be open to exploring looking for a guy of comparable value with some size who can play center.
We like our people!
I assume the second line for Sharp is 2011 (not 2009)
On that basis, the Sharp numbers are somewhat similar – about a half goal per game to the plus side – and on a team that didn’t increase offense, but gave up a lot more goals, that looks fairly good (as Sharp upped offense with a similar differential while the team as a whole had a much worse differential). Sharp was called upon to provide more offense this year, and did, but his defense slid commensurate with his shift in emphasis. A one half goal plus on a 60 minues played basis is good.
I don’t think Sharp is so much “worse” as a defensive center compared to a defensive wing – it is just that the center has a more critical defenisve role than a wing. He isn’t doing worse defensively in the different roles as much as the different roles lead to us being hurt a tad more defensively when he is called to have a highlighted or increased responsibility in an area which is not his greatest strength. he is by no means a terrible defesive forward, but more a middling one (which is not all that bad for a gifted offensive producer).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Is Reasoner a possibility for next season?
Most of us were worried when he left, but hardly anyone thought he could have been a critical addition at the time. Probably too expensive, but fun to think about.
Reasoner only got $1.150 mil last year
He isn’t out of the question
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Sounds good to me
Although I keep hearing other hockey blogs discussing the coming plethora of decent centers on the UFA market.
Are those Hossa numbers right?
2010 with a quarter goal to the plus side per 60 minutes, against
2011 with a full goal (and a tad more) to the plus side per 60 minutes played?
I find that surprising – he didn’t look to me to have stepped up to that degree from last year to this. If anything I would have expected a slight decline. Perhaps Hossa’s percieved “disappointing” year this year ought to be reevaluated to some degree. On a team that went rather alarmingly retrograde on its goal differential, Hossa seems to have greatly increased his.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
2009 not 2011
Sorry my bad and I apologise for that.
Both those numbers were 2010/11 on top and 2009/10 on the bottom. So it is in reverse of what you were looking at.
didn't know that
but of all the Hawks, he’s the one that should be resting besides Keith. He’s had deep runs 3 out of the last 4 years.
Chicago Blackhawks: No Longer Rusted Steel on Slush!
And it's international rules
less hitting etc. At first I was kinda pissed, but eh, why not play hockey to stay in hockey shape.
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
Bowman: Re-signing Crawford top priority
Chicago Blackhawks general manager Stan Bowman said he expects to keep restricted free-agent goalie Corey Crawford in a Hawks uniform and hopes it’s for many years.
“He’s a top priority for us,” Bowman said Thursday in his end-of-season address to media. “He’s earned the right to be a No. 1 goalie for us and our team loves playing in front of him. He has the right demeanor and right approach. He loves to be in Chicago. He’s clearly a priority for us. It’s nice to know going into next year we are going to have some stability in goal.”
And regarding Sharpy…
Though he’s not a free agent until next summer, Bowman indicated star forward Patrick Sharp is in the Hawks’ plans for a longer stay.
“It’s not a secret here,” Bowman said. “Patrick has been a huge part of our success. He’s part of the leadership group. … He really has the whole package.”
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 28, 2011 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
Holy Shit I am surprised
NOT!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
speaking of Sharpy...
#Blackhawks Sharp becomes FA after next season “I would sign right now if you have a contract for me”
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
continuing
Sharp on contract: “I’d love to sign one right now if u guys have a contract for me. I’m proud to be a #Blackhawk and I’d like to stay one.”
(via TMyers)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
by ahnfire on Apr 28, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
<3
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 28, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Hard to believe
He was a Flyer at one time – but that was long, long ago. Once you put the Indianhead on you never really take it off.
Can you find Shooter in this pic I took from G2 of the 2005 Calder Cup finals?
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking at pics from th last time I was at the UC in 2005
I found some pics of a Baby D2K and Baby Biscuit! For some reason they were not on the same pairing, guess too young for Marlboro 72’s still!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i went back through 40 years of Flyers trades and I can’t find one that was worse, taking into account how young he was and what they got back.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 28, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
In the game of the pic above
It went to 2OT, PHI won 2-1 (series 4-0) the GW Phantom goal came from one Patrick Sharp!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The Hawks can top that trade awfulness easily
But there are too many to list here.
Seriously
you damn near brought tears to my eyes. I can’t imagine Sharpie w/o an Indian head on his chest
by Chris Roberts on Apr 28, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
that would put me into a deep depression
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
Damn Sharp
He’s good looking AND he has “the whole package.”
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I have got to stop watching CTL
I yell at the TV more when Phil Rogers tries to talk about hockey then when I’m actually watching a game.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 28, 2011 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
Exactly.
Fuckhead can’t talk about the Blackhawks without mentioning Byfuglien.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 28, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
They mentioned it today.
because what they were missing was “disruption in front of the net” and not..y’know…the clusterfuck that was trying to enter the offensive zone.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 28, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
And Speigel was saying
out of anyone, trading Campbell would be “the dream.”
ugh.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 28, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
O/T Why is it that
Jesse Rogers often sounds like a jilted ex when writing about the Blackhawks? In his article analyzing the “complicated, nuanced” season, his…underlying emotional investment is a bit odd.
by Bobo the Pro Bear on Apr 28, 2011 5:45 PM CDT reply actions
he still hasn't forgiven the Hawks for trading away Byfuglien
and letting Nemo walk.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
And he's right
Forget about keeping Sharp, Bolland, and Crawford. We should have spent tons of money on Niemi and Byfuglien because they would have led us to a perfect regular season and the Stanley Cup!
The guy was in serious love with Nemo
He must’ve written half a dozen articles alone last Summer, detailing why allowing Nemo to go would destroy the Hawks’ franchise for the next decade. I swore he was on retainer to be the guy’s agent the way he blubbered about, but he never got the cap situation correctly in his head, so the nonstop blathering about our dearly departed players will continue.
So Gillis got fined by the NHL today
For being a whiny little bitch.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure he's happy to pay it.
Whining fucking maggot.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 28, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, big penalty for his little boo - hoo
To which he got what he wanted, a penalty – free game which favored his team, but of course they call Keith on some phantom hooking call at the very end, thereby giving the game away to the home team. Except for Toews. Man, I haven’t hated a team this much since the Red Army Line days of SCUM, and Philly back in the 70’s. It’s a pure hate, a good hate.
Even though I like most at NM
I do not have a total hatred for all "Nuck Players, but as an organ-I-zation and the rest of the players and fan base I have total contempt for and would love to see fall like Goliath to the Preds and usher in another 40 years of nothing!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought I hated scum back in the day
But compared to how I feel about nucks now, I was almost an octopus tosser. I have never loathed a team this much before including the Yankees and I’m a lifelong southsider. I’m ready to stop referring to Detroit as Scum if we can agree on a new permanent name for van. Slime? Snuck? Get creative, SCH, and lets rename the biggest collection of asshats to ever wear skates.
by Gate3anuhHalf on Apr 28, 2011 7:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I put forth
Grouches or Moaners
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 28, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
well, that's certainly accurate
But I think a one syllable name has the best chance to stick. They don’t deserve more than one syllable, anyway
by Gate3anuhHalf on Apr 28, 2011 8:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I never thought
I could hate any team as much as Scum, but the Nucks are getting very fucking close.
by Chris Roberts on Apr 28, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not even close for me any longer.
I developed a healthy distaste for Scum by living in the Detroit area for 7 years while the Wings won a couple of Cups and the Hawks were basically a laughing stock. But I “hate” them because they’re good. I also respect the hell out of their players, their coach, their GM, and their owner. They’re simply excellent.
By contrast the Canucks are total fucking buffoons up and down the line. Their ownership seems silly, their GM and coach are blame-shifting assclowns, and their players are by and large classless punks. I hate them because they take cheap shots, have no respect for their opponents, and refuse to accept responsibility for their own shortcomings. I have zero respect for them.
by flahawkfan on Apr 28, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
How about just calling them the Nuks?
Like the pacifier brand?
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey....not bad
Not bad at all…condesending, antagonistic…and reminiscent of sucking. Nicely done.
by Gate3anuhHalf on Apr 28, 2011 9:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I kinda like the Nyuks
Because I can’t help but laugh at how arrogant and hypocritical they are… Makes them stooge-like in my eyes.
by transienthawk on Apr 28, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Seconded
I “hate” Detroit and Nashville (I am in Memphis, so the one or two local hockey fans are Predator fans) but that is because they are rivals. But the organizations and most players are classy and professional.
I hold the Canucks in contempt. This group whines and plays cheap, and the tone seems to be set form the top. Vancouver is a great city and the people have always been wonderful to me, but I the team is just a collection of the worst hockey has to offer – -cheap, dirty, lacking in respect for health of other teams’ players and poor sports as demonstrated by their whining.
This times like a million
I FUCKING HATE them. Scum I grudgingly respect, and would like to see disbanded. But the Yucks have taken it to another level of burning hatred I didn’t think I had.
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
Detroit
Has amazing talent and leadership. Also the town is a shithole.
Vancouver has talent but zero class. Yet the town is amazing. The Seattle of Canada.
I’d buy a RW flag if they end up playing the Nyuks
I liked them when they had Harold Snepsts and those goofy uniforms. And Bure and Linden. This team I just can’t get with. Luongo is like a spooked horse and then the Sedins with their Mormon-Chernobyl genetics . Or maybe it’s Euro-Deliverance. Kesler is like the blonde from the Munsters.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 28, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
"Mormon - Chernobyl Genetics"
Holy crap that is bringing teh funny.
Women: Off limits. Mormons: Bring the funny?
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
poking fun of Mormons in Chicago
I blame Jim McMahon, he started it
by Gate3anuhHalf on Apr 29, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Correct me if I am wrong
but Salak is an RFA, is he not? Since you would expect the Hawks will re-up Salak, and with Crawdaddy looking at a hefty raise, I’m not sure dollar-wise that Turc returns, unless he goes the bargain basement route.
For the Pierre clip alone, Flopsy McTurc is an OK guy in my book.
P.S. – Is it just me, or is it depressing to be involved in player evaluations/looking ahead threads this early? We should be doing this in late June sometime. Ah, well.
P.P.S. – Nucks still suck. That is all.
Don't make me come over there
It is depressing
to go on other sites (On the forecheck) and read about how their teams are still playing…
by Bobo the Pro Bear on Apr 28, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
After seeing Kane's eye today, I really want Gillis to get pummeled.
by CjSax on Apr 28, 2011 7:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
he was highsticked during the game with no call
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
he also had his head smashed into the glass late in the game, right?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Apr 28, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Kane was run at the entire series
I feel like I heard a dozen variations of Kaner being leveled in some form or another.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
you mean it wasn't just him being being lazy and not putting forth good effort while turtling?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 28, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
he only had 1G5A during the playoffs.
obviously lazy. refuses to fight. trade the cokehead.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Since he hasn't lost 7 of his teeth on the ice
he’s clearly not committed to the team. Get rid of the bum!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 29, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
that guy that lost 7 teeth apparently lost some of his brain as evidenced by the majority of the regular season.
trade him too.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
no no its ok though because he admitted that he lost his mind some of this season
Now Sharp though, he doesn’t like to be a center even though we need one – add him to the chopping block.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 29, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, let's dump all those useless assholes
like Kane, and Keith and Hossa, and Campbell.
Stan should work on bringing back some of the greats the Hawks let slip away like Aucoin, Vandermeer, Babchuck, Vrbata, et al.
That’ll put ’em back on top.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Id take Vrbata.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
by HjammerTime on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
nobody has suggested taking down the Hull and Mikita banners. that might help too.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently Kane would not be adverse to having a little protection.
TramyersCSN Tracey Myers
Kane, sporting shiner, on if #Blackhawks could use another physical guy: “Going forward that would be nice to have.”
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
As long as the guy can give you 10-15 mins I'm on board.
It seems self-evident that the Hawks could use more beef up front.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
by HjammerTime on Apr 29, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really surprising
I don’t see him beefing up too much because that would impact his speed. He’s not going to fight, and while I give him props for his and Toews ability to take a licking and keep on ticking, it’d be nice to get someone of bigger size with skills and that fits into the mold of the hawks and whatever line he and Toews are on, to keep guys from beating up our stars.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 29, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Saw the pic on Kuc's Twitter; pretty good shiner and a couple of stitches courtesy of Kesler
by CjSax on Apr 28, 2011 8:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Video here
He’s like a little kid with his injuries, seems proud of them.
Might have to scroll through the videos, might be on the second page.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
here's the pic
he does not look well, IMO
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Apr 28, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
also, is it just me or does that hand look like it isn't his
just some guy crouching under the podium rubbing Kane’s nipple
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Apr 28, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
What's the character from Days of Our Defense?
Toews’ and Kane’s butler…
It’s him.
by transienthawk on Apr 28, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
that's not from Trixie's Days of Our Defense
but the other one – I feel bad that I can’t remember the name of the poster, but I never really got into his story. :|
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Ben something
Never got into it either.
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
“Normally I’m a gynecologist, but this is my lunch hour.”
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 28, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
More like
he took a high stick that wasn’t called
by Chris Roberts on Apr 28, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I know
but now it makes it look like he’s wearing eyeliner on one eye.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
You know what's striking about Kane?
He looks so much bigger and thicker than he was even last year. I think it was Toews in his latest presser from the Blackhawks website, he said something about taking the offseason to condition, get in shape, etc. Then he mentioned he and Kane taking the offseason to sort of grow into their bodies.
I think what’s lost in all the Kane bashing is that he’s not done growing! (TWSS).
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 28, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet people are spreading rumors
that some of our guys (and who better to call out than Kaner) weren’t coming into camp properly conditioned… sigh
That's the first thing I noticed when I saw the interview
you can’t ever tell otherwise with a hockey jersey or post game interviews, but he’s put on a lot of muscle.
he's cruising clark street right now
on Trixie patrol…chicks dig that wounded warrior look
by Gate3anuhHalf on Apr 28, 2011 9:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Take it easy this summer Kaner!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdvi8cB2Pt8
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Apr 29, 2011 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions
love turco. him and hoss my idols. really want him to stay but dam crow did kick ass…not sure what to do…wish there wasnt a dam cap.
by J-Town All Star on Apr 28, 2011 8:56 PM CDT reply actions
Rinne is looking pretty good tonight.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Apr 28, 2011 9:13 PM CDT reply actions
Rinne and Preds
are beginning to frustrate the Yucks even though they are being largely outplayed. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it.
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
Rinne's been a freaking monster.
His glove hand has been particularly sharp. Alas, his team has forgotten how to win a faceoff (4/34 last I saw) and has been taking uncharacteristic penalties.
3 SOG on 3 PP
What kind of shoes would be even worse/bigger than clown shoes? Shaquille O’Neal shoes?
gettin my first glimpse of webers beard
holy shit that is god like
Tremendously Tremendous!
Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today.
-Lou Holtz
by Mr. CheeseHead on Apr 28, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He started it before the playoffs began... Running start.
But he is a rugged man.
God I wish he was a Blackhawk.
by transienthawk on Apr 28, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
(possibly norris) weber + norris keith
that sounds good
Tremendously Tremendous!
Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today.
-Lou Holtz
by Mr. CheeseHead on Apr 28, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I really like Seabs, but damn I hope he was still a bit concussed with all those turnovers last game
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
I hate to say it
But I would trade so many loved members of the team to get Weber.
by transienthawk on Apr 28, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
we'd have to give a lot though haha
Tremendously Tremendous!
Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today.
-Lou Holtz
by Mr. CheeseHead on Apr 28, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
don't ruin my dreams
it’s all I have right now
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
sorry stacie
Tremendously Tremendous!
Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today.
-Lou Holtz
by Mr. CheeseHead on Apr 28, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Bye Hjalmarsson, Bye Leddy.
They’re both younger than Weber and can both play top 6 minutes.
…and the Preds would still be getting fleeced in the deal.
I wish Keith could call him up and go “yo Olympic partner… come play with me.”
alas… but pipe dreams these are.
by transienthawk on Apr 28, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
preds wearin the ginormous clown shoes
Tremendously Tremendous!
Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today.
-Lou Holtz
that was a crap call that put them on the PP in the first place
Clipping? Really?
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
made it up on the spot
Tremendously Tremendous!
Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today.
-Lou Holtz
by Mr. CheeseHead on Apr 28, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the clipping rule
44.1 Clipping – Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent.
A player may not deliver a check in a “clipping” manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent’s knees.
An illegal “low hit” is a check that is delivered by a player or goalkeeper who may or may not have both skates on the ice, with his sole intent to check the opponent in the area of his knees. A player may not lower his body position to deliver a check to an opponent’s knees.
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
so basically now anything below the head is clipping
because they clearly don’t know where your knees are located
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
No, only when it happens to the Nyuk's opponents
Gills is laughing,baby – like in your commentary.
interesting
still looked like a good hit
Tremendously Tremendous!
Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today.
-Lou Holtz
by Mr. CheeseHead on Apr 28, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I missed a lot of the game but seemed like a lot of things were called
whereas in all the other games I’ve seen so far, they basically let the guys play
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 28, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that thinks Kesler took a bit of a dive there?
He was hooked, but the way he went down seemed a little….dramatic.
I yelled dive when it happened
refs arm came up and I said, wow they’re going to call the dive. Haha No.
Honestly, the more I watch the Nucks it seems to be a consistent strategy to embellish.
by YouFeelShame on Apr 28, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
hmm? wha?
oh, sorry. nodded off there.
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 28, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think they hired Trotz because he fits in carry-on?
by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 28, 2011 10:19 PM CDT reply actions
I figured they just used the hanger stuck inside his jacket
to hang him in the cabin closet. Dude has always looked to me like he forgot and left the hanger in his suit.
Reminds me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjRUKCKIG4&feature=related
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Apr 29, 2011 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions
As much as I’d be “OK” with re-signing Turco, I don’t think it’s the right direction. European positional-goaltenders are being bred as we speak. Some extra travel funds for scouting could go a long way. These days, It seems to come down to conditioning and coaching.
If Mitch Korn ever questions his job in Nashville, the Blackhawks should inquire about buying him a coffee. Not to say Stephane isn’t doing his job, though.
Check this out
Just throwing this out there because I just thought of it……..
Keep Hendry and dump Soupy.
keith-seabs
hammer-leddy
hendry-campoli
Thoughts please
There aren't many places where you can dump 7 mil dollars
And have you seen the state of the team when he is injured? It ain’t pretty
free's up MONIES!
And I like Hendry, he’s young and gets better the more I see him.
by ieat_people on Apr 28, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
yes but as stated by robondacob
have you seen the state of the team when he’s injured?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 28, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
No thanks
Soupy is a gamer; played injured much of the last 2 months of the year. I don’t mind Hendry and Leddy, but there’s no way that either can take Soupy’s place. Plus, exactly how do you dump him? Solve that then come back with your answer.
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
Thanks for the input
which is all i asked for, just curious what everyone thought. Yeah I’ve seen what the hawks look like without him, and it’s not pretty. However, isn’t that of the greater aspects of Leddy’s game? I don’t get paid to solve it, but couldn’t we trade him, boynton, and Kopy for a Winger to compliment Bolland, a draft pick, and eat a little of the cash? But if the cap raises the significant amount we’re all praying it does, I say keep Soupy and we have 7 solid dmen for purposes of depth, and to give days off. I don’t wanna lose Hendry even if he looks like good trade bait. But theoretically, what would you do if you were the GM trying to get rid of soupy? I am curious because like the Triumvirate said: “this team is a few moves away from being elite again” That may or may not mean getting rid of soupy, but I feel our defense is solid, goaltending is solid, we need 3rd and 4th liners.
So you give up
one of your top 4 of your solid D for some 3rd and 4th liners (which we already have enough of)? Not a good way to go.
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
lol no
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 29, 2011 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Another curious question
I know Sam isn’t the biggest fan of Bickell. How does he think of him now that he’s seen him in playoff form?
Such is my man love for Turco
That I should probably refrain from saying anything here, lest I feel compelled to attack others personally in a desperate attempt to defend his amazing stats honor this year…
So I’ll just do what everyone else did, and talk about something completely different. Lots of talk about Sharpie and Weber – so the logical outcome is:
1) Forgetting money, contracts, and RFA status – how would you all feel about trading Sharpie for Weber?
2) Now include all of that cap mubo jumbo – still a good/bad idea?
I would be pretty pissed to see Sharpie go, especially since then I would only share a name with the alkie on the team (unless Lalime make a glorious comeback…), but I would also be pretty excited to see Weber on the team, especially since I want to see more pucks shot clean through the net. And it makes more sense to me from a team perspective than most of the other pipe dreams I’ve heard so far.
Nashville desperately needs scoring, and Chicago could really use another defenseman who isn’t regularly caught pinching behind the opposition net. Both are RFAs in relatively short order (Weber now, Sharp in 1 year). Both have similarly-sized (Sharp 3.9, Weber 4.5) contracts, and both are likely due a raise. Both have leadership qualities (Sharp A, Weber C).
Thoughts?
And when I say "it makes sense"
I am obviously neglecting the fact that both teams would be trading away a great player to a division rival so they can crush their spirits six times a year (plus playoffs, if it comes to that)… but let’s ignore that for a second. Nothing indicates that this trade is even remotely possible, but I’ve got 5 months to hink about things like this. May as well get the crazies out early, and then entertain legitimate possibilities when we’re actually allowed to make personnel moves.
Weber is going to be asking for a BIG raise this year
He is also a Norris finalist and if he wins, which from some reason I think the NHL will hand it to Lidstrom on his “farewell” tour, so Weber won’t win it. Too much money is already invested in the defense. So unless they move a fat contract, the Preds don’t mind moving their captain, and don’t mind trading him to a division rival, I don’t see it happening. Though I would love to Shea Weber in a Hawks sweater.
you might be sick, but you feel alright to me.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 29, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Nashville wouldn't do that one
A Weber is more valuable than a Sharp (much as I lve Sharp, it simply is true).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Yeah
I agree – I was mostly just looking at filling team needs, and not as much at the ramifications about filling team needs by creating others. I think, assuming all of the points from HBB above, we would still need to send over at least a Leddy or Stals/Brouwer to attempt to make it an even trade. Either way, likely far too costly for both teams.
Godspeed, Marty
Your trolling will never be matched. At least they didn’t give him 5.6 mil over 4 years.
you might be sick, but you feel alright to me.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 29, 2011 9:16 AM CDT reply actions
DOWN GOES BROWN
http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2011/04/what-went-wrong-excuses-from-nhls.html
A funny John Madden joke and the first time they have taken a shot at the Blackhawks in awhile.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
The shot at the Blackhawks
Seemed more like a shot at the Canucks to me.
I thought the St. Louis/Colorado joke was hilarious, as was the Devils’ joke.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 29, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he may have meant the caption for the picture
The comment for the blackhawks entry was a shot at the Canucks more than anything.
Cheers!
Jesus, what did the old man trade for these assholes, a used puck bag?
by RockyMtnHawksFan on Apr 29, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Only slightly O/T:
Anyone think Jerry Angelo got a text from Dale Tallon today that went something like this: “Dont worry Jerry, stuff like that happens to the best of us”
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
This Adam Jahns twitter (tweet?) made me very sad and angry at the same time.
@adamjahns
Bowman basically said the hope is that Scott (1 more year left) can develop into more of an everyday player not just a fighter. #Blackhawks
(Apparently he said this at some point during his Q & A with the media yesterday.) :(
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
ugh...
If he works his ass off this off-season he may not be terrible anymore. I’ll hold out hope for that.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Apr 29, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh fuck no
I do not want to see that guy in the Hawks jersey next year – under any conditions. No more untalented oafs in the future, period.
Well if asked he's hardly going to say
“get rid of the useless giant!”
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Apr 29, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I was wondering if we'd get a slogan change
The new one is perfect! Nice job editors.
Second City Hockey – If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 29, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions
anyone still wondering if Toews was really trying to play through an injury?
Kuc is reporting that Team Canada asked Sharp and Keith to join the team for Worlds (they declined). As for Toews? According to Captain Serious, there has been “no conversation” between him and Team Canda reps. If this is true, that leaves only two possibilities.
a) Team Canada didn’t bother to call Toews because they just don’t have room on the roster for a guy like him; or
b) Team Canada has left about 20 voicemails for Toews since Wednesday morning, but he’s deleting them all and not calling back, because he doesn’t want to say “sorry, I can’t play because I need to take care of a shoulder injury that nobody’s supposed to know about.”
I’m going with b).
You have to go with b).
Seeing as Toews is the kind of player you MAKE room for.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Apr 29, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Marty at Practice
Perhaps this is common in the world of talented hockey players, but after a practice at Johnny’s Ice House, Marty stood in his goal crease taking “pitches” from Jordan Hendry and Jack Skille. Marty stood there with his goalie stick playing baseball as he swung at and hit wristers and ocassional slap shots taken by Henry and Skille. It was a lot of fun to watch and a pretty incredible display. The farther he hit them, the more he hammed it up. Finally, and I don’t recall who it was, Skille or Henry, but they absolutely ripped a slap shot that of course was not hittable to put him back in his place. After finally hitting one all the way down ice (on the fly over the far blue line), the fun was over. He then skated over to the stands, and with my wife holding my six year old over the railing, Marty handed him his stick. Very cool.
His on ice play this year deservedly earned him the D+. Off ice, he earned an A and three fans for life!
That's pretty awesome
No doubt Marty is and was an around class act. I was really pulling for him to succeed in the Hawks’ system.
And his pranks reminded me of Bull Durham.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 30, 2011 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions
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