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Drunk Sex: Lightning 2 - Hawks 0

That's what all these games recently have felt like. A once pleasurable activity that is now simply a pure slog hoping for a conclusion that you think will be euphoric but unsure if you can even get there, and even if you do you're more glad that it's just all over. Sadly, tonight was one of those nights where you just call it quits and go to sleep.

Shut out by Mike Smith. Not even really threatening Mike Smith. Sure, there were a couple prime chances, but where were the rebound chances and the screened shots? If you find them, let me know, because I didn't see them. Two points the Hawks really needed are gone, and now you can expect absolute torture for the next week.

-I was actually planning on getting the optimistic stuff out of the way first, but then I realized I forgot to correctly count the amount of games the Stars have left, which is four, and they're all cupcakes. They could easily take eight points off Columbus, Colorado twice, and Minnesota. That means the Hawks need six from four games, and two of them are going to have to come from what looks like a revitalized Detroit team after yesterday's rise-from-the-dead in Nashville, I feel even worse than I did. On the somewhat plus side, they only need four to eliminate the Flames.

-That said, what convinces you that's coming?

-We can sit here and bemoan how much the supporting cast has made the top tier skate these past few games, but maybe it's just silly to ask guys to be that much more than they are. Let's focus on the guys the Hawks are leaning on right now: Toews, Kane, and Hossa are expected to win games just like these tonight. And they haven't done it. They're not being asked to do anything more than Bobby Ryan, Ryan Getzlaf, and Corey Perry have been the last month. And since Sharp went down, if we throw out the game against Florida, they have managed three even strength goals. Three. Oh, and they were out there for Bickell's just like a prayer from the blue line. If you're going to say that Perry, Getzlaf, and Ryan are a complete line, keep in mind that Perry and Ryan have produced while Getzlaf missed a lot of time. If you're going to say that they have a better supporting cast, well, they're still seeing the other teams' best checkers just as Toews and Kane are, and they're coming up trumps. And it wasn't Pavel Datsyuk or Ryan Kesler keeping them off the scoresheet tonight from Tampa. It was Mike Lundin and Mattias Ohlund. (You're waiting for me to point out that Kane and Toews are paid more than Getzlaf, Perry, and Ryan, aren't you? I just did)

-Oh they're tired? They've really only been asked to skate ridiculous minutes the past couple weeks, that seems a weak excuse.

-I know Guy Boucher brought this system in from Mars or whatever, but if McClure from the 300 Level can figure out that the Hawks need to chip it in from the red line where this 1-3-1 would only have one guy to retrieve it, couldn't the Hawks?

-Seabs, if the puck gets low, like to the goal line, standing behind Lecavalier doesn't do a whole lot of good.

-However, the Hawks wouldn't be in that situation if Hammer didn't take his 305th delay of game penalty this year. For whatever reason, Hammer has played the puck this season as if he just has or is just about to shit himself. What was galling about this play is he actually had time, waited too long, got pressured, and fired it into the crowd.

-But then again, if the Hawks did successfully manage to chip the puck in regularly, who would win it? Bryan Bickell? Tomas Kopecky? Troy Brouwer in his current dead-state? And none of them get to the net either.

This is not a call for all the pessimistic-for-the-sake-of-it members of our site (who haven't been banned already) to claim me as their own. I want to feel better. I really do. So tell me why I should. And no, sneaking in the playoffs to get laced by the Blue and Green of the Garbage Throwers doesn't hold that much appeal.

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Well Sam

your first paragraph pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. I feel your pain (as does all of Hawks nation)

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by stacie7 on Apr 3, 2011 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

The edited version of Colin Powell's rules for hockey...I mean life.

   1. It ain’t as bad as you think. It will look better in the morning.
   2. Get mad, then get over it.
   
   4. It can be done!

   6. Don’t let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision.
  
  12. Don’t take counsel of your fears or naysayers.
  13. Perpetual optimism is a force multiplier.

by AZHawksfan on Apr 3, 2011 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Do numbers 3, 5, and 7-11

Involve holding your breath until you pass out? Because that’s about where I’m at.

LETS GO SIOUX!!!

by AirTrafficAJ on Apr 4, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was something about your ego and your position,

but feel free to hold your breath until you pass out.

by AZHawksfan on Apr 4, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shit, if Katherine from the 300 level

is screaming, Dump the fucking puck, assholes! you know it’s not rocket science.

That said, I just want to believe. I want to believe that my team, with all its ups and downs, frustrating and exciting moments, is gonna pull it together enough to get in the playoffs. I’m always going to have that little bit of hope left, until the moment they’re mathematically eliminated.

And we’ll get Sharp, and possibly Bolland, back someday. We’re a better team when we have 40% of our top 5 forwards back.

by Katherine215 on Apr 3, 2011 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

If you whistled, yelled shoot, and trade Soupy

I think we would have to stage an intervention. Dump the puck assholes is acceptable under these trying circumstances.

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by stacie7 on Apr 3, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant it more

in response to Sam saying if McClure can figure out they needed to dump and chase, why couldn’t the Hawks. If I, who knows less about hockey mechanics than McClure, can figure it out, the Hawks REALLY should have been able to figure it out.

It made more sense in my head.

by Katherine215 on Apr 3, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get it now

I’ve been fairly slow these last couple of weeks.

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by stacie7 on Apr 3, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

There really isn't much reason to feel better

The one consolation is that they did dictate the play for most of the game. That is better than the hot mess they displayed against the jackets. And obviously they have big runs in them — we are only about three weeks from the 8 game winning streak.

 But they are not a good team, not really. They have no real depth. Losing Bolland and Sharp has demonstrated how shallow the team is. They don’t have a lot of guys who will win board battles (though Frolik and Kruger might turn into those guys) and they have no offense to speak of outside of the Big Four. Last year they could get some pop out of all four lines. This year, they don;t even play four lines most of the game. Last year, all three pairs contributed. This year, Hammer has regressed, Leddy has lost Q’s confidence, and Scott has been a non factor. Q is grinding the team into the ice because he only trusts about ten players.

Hopefully next year will fix some of this. They aren’t going anywhere this year, even if they make the playoffs. Maybe next year Leddy has a full camp and plays better, Maybe they replace some of the non-effective players with players more in the Ladd/Madden mode. maybe Keith rounds back into form. Maybe Kruger and Frolik continue to improve. But this year is gone, even if they make the playoffs. The parts aren’t there and the core isn’t playing as well as they did last year.

by kcr on Apr 3, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I gotta say

That first paragraph was a great analogy.

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by Semi_Colon on Apr 3, 2011 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Drunk Sex...

Wow, that’s brilliant. You continue to surprise me with your awesomeness, I just wish the Hawks would do the same.

-31 shots, but how many were from the perimeter with no one in front? When the hawks got someone in front (on rare occasion) they either hit a body in front of them or missed the net entirely. That defeats the purpose.

-Toews, Hossa, Kane, Fro, and Bickell all had point-blank, no-one-between-you-and-the-goalie chances. None went in. Combine this with the above and you get a shutout. Those guys (particularly the first 3) have to dent the twine at this juncture, no excuses.

-Tell me Toews isn’t playing hurt. Under 50% at the dot, and lost a few critical ones. Didn’t have his trademark board battle wins. Couldn’t bury his chance alone in front (although I thought I saw the puck flip up on him a bit). That’s just not the Toews we know, is it?

-I thought Frolik and Stals were the two best forwards in the first, although an argument could be made for Kane as well. Where was Fro in the second half of the game? And what was with the line juggling with 3 minutes left in a 1-goal game?

-Kruger looked good at times, and not noticeably bad. There’s a plus.

-I will never blame the officiating for a loss (being one myself), but there was some horseshittery going on tonight again. If DOG and high sticks are automatic calls, so has to be the Restricted Zone call. Where was either a rough or spear on Downie after the SeabSmash? How was that interference on St. Louis? See I didn’t like it both ways.

Oh well, go get ’em Tuesday.

by ImpersonatingTheEagle on Apr 3, 2011 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I feel like Tazer hasn't been winning board battles as much this year though

his F/O% dropping though…I’m not too sure how indicative that is of his health, since he does take a significant amount more than the rest of the team.

by ahnfire on Apr 3, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

Agree on the board battles lacking this whole year for the most part.

My suspicion is a shoulder issue (based on his reaction after the hit in the last game), which would make it tougher to win faceoffs where its mostly arm strength unless you win it clean.

by ImpersonatingTheEagle on Apr 3, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm I don't remember the hit

but if that’s true, then maybe Tazer should take the RJ school of F/Os and fall down after winning the draw?

by ahnfire on Apr 3, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he should...

Seemed like he was trying to cheat a lot early on, kept getting thrown out until he talked with the linesman.

by ImpersonatingTheEagle on Apr 3, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It did seem like he got thrown out a lot

Imagine how many he would have taken if he hadn’t gotten thrown out a lot.

by Katherine215 on Apr 3, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of our players were getting tossed.

It looked like the official was faking the puck drop just to get an excuse to bounce our centermen.

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by 334Rules on Apr 4, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't see that hit (or the game)

i take it there was a lot of wincing? The board battles have been an issue in general this year, not just one or two players. And some might say it’s because we lost size, but i feel like even the players who are still here have been shying away from them every other game or so….

whatever it was i just wrote, you already knew i couldn't type or spell anyway.

by puppetmasterp on Apr 3, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The hit in question

Was on the half-boards of the D zone, latter half of the game. He through a pass off and got hit hard, came off of it with his right arm hanging a bit and scooted off the ice.

by ImpersonatingTheEagle on Apr 3, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Threw. I’m a kolledge stoodent.

by ImpersonatingTheEagle on Apr 3, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tim Peel is dreadful. Once I heard his name as the official for tonight, my head started to sag.

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by hawks61 on Apr 3, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the officials

were honoring McCreary by sinking to his general level of competence, in a salute to their retiring zebra brother.

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by 334Rules on Apr 4, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe they will all grow douchy mustaches.

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cliche of the day:

Make it in.

Once in, you have to win 4 out of 7, not 4 out of 4 or 5. As schizoid as this team has been, no one on the planet who watches hockey would say 4 games out of 7, even against the best in the league, is impossible for this team.

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by ChicoMaki on Apr 3, 2011 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

yup

that’s all i got. and they should still get in, even with this ragtag bunch.

without all the pieces (10 and 36) tho, any dent in the playoffs seems like a real longshot.

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by cliffkoroll on Apr 4, 2011 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

so are we

at the “bad sex is better than no sex” point of the night season yet? Because if so, I have a feeling a Hawks playoff run won’t be near as entertaining. But I’d still like to see them try.

whatever it was i just wrote, you already knew i couldn't type or spell anyway.

by puppetmasterp on Apr 3, 2011 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Me too

If only so I can sell my playoff tickets to some meatheats at a ridiculous price. I really don’t want to watch them get mopped right out in the first round.

LETS GO SIOUX!!!

by AirTrafficAJ on Apr 4, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be that cocky if I were you...

Michigan looked really good last weekend. That team can fly. UMD is a pretty decent team too. Not really playing favorites here, just want a WCHA team to take home the title and of all the teams that remain I probably like UND the most.

by dangles we can believe in on Apr 4, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is the best case scenario for UND

Simply because BC isn’t left. Can’t beat that school to save their lives.

LETS GO SIOUX!!!

by AirTrafficAJ on Apr 4, 2011 3:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I actually got scared tonight when I saw...

the second powerplay unit. The personnel that were out there was simply frightening. I realize Bolland and Sharp are out, but it seems that our lack of depth is finally showing itself. Obviously, we’ve got to (GOT TO!) make the playoffs. But the playoffs could be a quick and painful affair. Whatever ails this team, it needs to be fixed quickly.

And drunk sex is a pretty good analogy. Except that you remember these games.

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by Preacher000 on Apr 3, 2011 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

2nd unit left me scratching my head

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by BigCSouthside on Apr 3, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

we discussed this at length last night

and came up with a solution that, almost certainly, will not be used

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by Hack on Apr 4, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great

drunk sex analogy

Win it for Manny.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Apr 3, 2011 10:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Missed the first period

but felt the Hawks played into the hands of TB, not dumping and chasing. I also saw a lot of dump-ins never really get in past the circles.

They did have some point blank chances and didn’t bury them. I felt that once they got a goal, it would spark them and all would be well on West Madison St. tonight. Alas, that goal never came.

I know the mantra is just get in, you never know what will happen. But I don’t see a good run in the playoffs from them, honestly. Toews carried them from the outside looking in to the 4th or 5th spot only to have him run out of gas and watch his teammates falter and sputter along.

I realize this isn’t last year’s team that turned it on late to garner a nice spot in the tournament and run with it until the promised land was theirs, but these last two weeks they have played like basically 95% of the season.

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by BigJohnAZ on Apr 3, 2011 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Chip in chaser

I think our best man is stalberg

by YouFeelShame on Apr 3, 2011 11:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

What is going on with this team?

Why are teams that play trap style so difficult for this team to adjust to? What the fuck is Q doing? I haven’t been this pissed after a game all year, mainly because I devoted some valuable free time to watch a fucking travesty of a game. Tim Peele needs to join McCreary.

Don’t look now, but Ham Sandwich just threw another soft one up and out of play.

I am still sure that they get into the playoffs, but they are looking to get swept in the 1st round playing idiot hockey. Step it please, pull your heads out of your asses and play smart.

Duncan Keith: will he ever get a puck on net?

"What is icing?"

"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."

by anActiveStick on Apr 3, 2011 11:56 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Ok

I don’t do analysis here, but I’m gonna put my two sense in. Hawks and Stars both have 4 games left. I know the Stars have easier opponents. They won’t win 4 in a row. They are not that kind of team. Calgary is out my friends. Math is on our side and its more sound than human emotions.

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on Apr 4, 2011 12:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree

The math is in the Hawks favor. Three points is a lot to make up with only four games. Making up one point is darn near impossible when the other guys have two games in hand.

Let’s also remember the Hawks will own the tie-breaker over the Flames and most likely will own it over the Stars. So really the Hawks own a 1.5 lead over the Flames and a 3.5 lead over the Stars.

What’s really annoying is the Hawks are pissing away a chance to not play the Canucks in the first round and after last night I think we can kiss the 5 and 6 seeds good-bye (though I’m sure some will say that playing the Sharks in the first round is the worst possible match up). I was oddly happy to see that Dallas won last night since it kept the Ducks only a point ahead of the Hawks, and call me crazy, but I’d rather face the Wings than the Canucks.

by Otter7 on Apr 4, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sight
Smell
Taste
Hearing
Touch

Did I get ’em right?

Strange all this Difference should be, Twits Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Apr 4, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

As anyone thought of what happens if the #Ducks drop their last 3 games aye?

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on Apr 4, 2011 12:19 AM CDT reply actions  

from the good seats for once

Seriously, 200 level is legit – fucking servers and bigger chairs with more space between them – I could get use to that if I had the money

Anyways -

~ T-Brow was trying the first few minutes of the game and then played Houdini
~ Hjammer’s mental mistakes have defined his season and that’s sad for a guy who showed how damn good he can be last year
~ The 40 was entertaining to say the least – I just wished the Hawks could bury some of those great opportunities
~ Mike Smith was channeling Billy Smith – It feels like we get the goalies on their good days –
~ I want to like Frolik, I really do. Getting to see him live today didn’t help.
~ Had to shout over a SHOOT guy to express my urge for them to MOVE THE PUCK BETTER
~ Heard on the way out, “I miss Buff, he could have helped today” and “Where was big john scott, put his ass out there and let him rough some people up”
      - I just hang my head and hope they don’t come back next year.

angry bird is angry .

by Da'Ostrich on Apr 4, 2011 12:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Ok, seriously

All the Buff hatred on this board is really starting to drive me fucking nuts. And let it be known, that I’m not one that was so sad to see him go. He underperfromed for the Hawks during the regular season consistently. That’s understood. But, I’m so sick and tired of everyone bashing him only because meatballs endlessly pine for him. SO FUCKING WHAT. The guy had a hell of a playoff run, scored some clutch fucking goals.

You cannot deny he had a huge hand in bringing the chalice where it belongs. Don’t act like he is some replaceable scrub.

On the John Scott meatball you speak of, I’m in total agreement with you. That guy needs to not watch hockey anymore and should probably see a doctor to help remove his head from his ass.

"What is icing?"

"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."

by anActiveStick on Apr 4, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i don't think it's hatred, so much as

facepalming the “rose colored memories” of the 2009-2010 season. I have no doubt we could have really used Buff this past month, especially once Bolly an Sharp were out for extended periods. Just like we could have used Ladd, or hell, even Sopel on the PK. But under what realistic circumstances could we have kept them? Most of the time when I ask that to the “wish we had Buff still” crowd the answer is “we could have traded Campbell.”

I actually loved having Buff around, but it’s failure to think that phrase all the way through that gets me. And because that’s not our team anymore — be a fan of the team you have, not the team you wish you had (at least until the offseason deals roll around).

whatever it was i just wrote, you already knew i couldn't type or spell anyway.

by puppetmasterp on Apr 4, 2011 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But, everyone should already know by now how Chicago treats winners. The only thing the meatballs saw was Buff scoring winner after winner in the playoffs. We see how they idolize Aaron Rowand and you would think the 85 Bears were just yesterday in this town. It was already known that the meatballs would pine for him because thats all they saw, they didn’t see the lack of effort that the rest of us saw during the regular season.

"What is icing?"

"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."

by anActiveStick on Apr 4, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

An outsider's POV

Any team that loses a top 4 scorer and an A-class defensive center will suffer, but last year if Sharp went out, a guy like Versteeg would have a chance to pick up the extra minutes and opportunities. If Bolland went out there was still a Ladd to provide ballast. So it comes back to the whole “depth” problem.

Without knowing the specifics of the cap realities last off-season, I’m not sure what the GM could have done to change the situation much. You’ve needed your kids to develop faster than they have and for your #6-12 veteran forwards to step up more than they have. But that was a hope, not a realistic expectation.

The Penguins lose Crosby and Malkin and guys like Staal and Tyler Kennedy pick it up and play like Top 6 forwards. Letang develops into a #1 defenseman. It seems like every time I’ve watched the Red Wings in the last 15 years there’s another winger I’ve never heard of who’s playing on the second line and doesn’t look out of place. Maybe that’s what they make now instead of cars.

As for the complaints against your key players this season, every player on the team looked better last season because the collective was so good. The four-line attack kept other teams beaten down. Keith hasn’t gone from Norris winner to average defenseman. I just don’t think he was quite as good as he looked last year and he’s better than he looks now. You can point to his strong games and say that he should therefore play that way all the time but in a league, and particularly a conference, with so many good teams that play the game fast, and tough along the boards, it’s difficult for individual players to excel nightly when the rest of the team can’t keep up.

The big story in the league this year is the head shots but I wonder if the increased speed and size aren’t also breaking players down more often in less obvious ways. Richards and Leino and Timonen look hurt, Briere and Betts are banged up and out. O’Donnell suddenly looks 40, maybe he’s hurt too. Perhaps today’s NHL is more attritive than ever.

I consulted the Old Testament a few weeks ago and was told to expect at least a seventh-place finish. The prophets didn’t say anything about losing Sharp but you have to buck up anyway.

by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 4, 2011 12:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't agree with your Keith assessment

He won the Norris last year for good reason. We all watched. We all know why. This year, he is playing the exact opposite. He is playing very indecisive IMO, and I don’t think anyone will know why except for him, but to say he can’t keep up with the fast pace? Sorry, don’t buy that one. His game that garnered him notoriety is speed and simple, quick decisions. He did that last year against these same teams you speak of and the year before that.

He has the A on his chest and needs to live up to that.

"What is icing?"

"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."

by anActiveStick on Apr 4, 2011 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I said it was the rest of the team that couldn’t keep up, not Keith. I see Keith as a perennial All-Star but not necessarily a perennial Norris candidate. But it’s only a somewhat informed opinion because I haven’t seen him a lot (10 regular season games last year, plus all the playoff games, and maybe 10-15 games this year).

If what you see is indecision and can’t identify a cause, what better on-ice explanation is there than that that he’s under pressure more often because his team isn’t as good? Would you also say the other defensemen made better decisions last year than this year? Of course there could be unreported injuries, off-ice distractions, something in his head…..

by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 4, 2011 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

disagree

Keith had three excellent years prior to this year. The 2007-08 team was not a playoff team.

I wanna say he’s worn down, but he’s been ragged all year.

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by cliffkoroll on Apr 4, 2011 4:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

This

"What is icing?"

"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."

by anActiveStick on Apr 4, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

what i feel it's done (in some cases)

is make people question the “new breed of defenseman” arguement. When Keith plays on form, everyone heralds him as the epitome of what the model puck moving defensemen should be. When he’s not, I’ve heard people say he’s too small and how we suddenly need more size on D. Yes, we could use a little more size in general on the team, but it’s rare that the good or bad performance of one player makes people question a team’s entire defensive strategy. That’s a lot of pressure to put on a guy.

whatever it was i just wrote, you already knew i couldn't type or spell anyway.

by puppetmasterp on Apr 4, 2011 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not so sure I agree about Sharp being easily replaced, even last year

he was out for 16 games during the 08-09 season and the team went 6-7-3. Now, I don’t think his absence was the only reason for that but it did play a role. A lot of the same guys were on the team that year as the following year, including Versteeg, and the team still struggled. Maybe it would have been less of an issue last year due to the experience level of Versteeg and others, but I think they still would have struggled without Sharpie.

by Katherine215 on Apr 4, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Losing someone like Sharp would always have an impact, in the same way that Staal is no Sidney Crosby. But I think the caliber of a replacement was considerably better last year for the Hawks than this year, so it would be less difficult to carry on.

by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 4, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree

While losing Sharp is always going to be problematic, I think last year we had guys who stepped up relatively quickly because they were skilled guys who knew the system, and everyone had chemistry with everyone else last year. So when our top guys weren’t scoring (like at points during the playoffs), we had a lot of the other guys step up to help the team. What we’re seeing now is that if the top line doesn’t score, no one scores.

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by justforkicks on Apr 4, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn

so poignant.

Alain Vigneault on Jannik Hansen: "He came out with a lot of fire. And he brought his cute little voice."
Ellipses don't compensate for...you know...words........................................

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by eightyseven on Apr 4, 2011 1:47 AM CDT reply actions  

so anyway

I was at Wrigley yesterday. Botched DPs, bad baserunning, failure to produce with 2nd and 3rd no outs (Soto, Soriano), leadoff walk in 9th, and an inflield nubber scores 2 FTW Pirates.

funny what a little perspective does for ya.

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by cliffkoroll on Apr 4, 2011 4:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Good news, Sam ...

I know how this team is frustrating you, and I also know how much you cream your pants thinking about naming your first born son Mr. Corey Perry Gtetzlaf Fels, so I’ve done the honorable thing and traded you to the Anaheim Ducks blog. You’re a great writer, and we all hate to lose you, but this is like Fisher to Nashville deal — it just makes sense considering the circumstances.

What I’m trying to say is I’m not sure why the Ducks 2-1 win over the Hawks the other week gave birth to this “the Ducks’ top line is what we constantly compare everything the Blackhaws do” meme, but I’d like to address it with a few bullet points:

1. The fact that they are producing regular right now while Kane and Toews are not is not particularly relevant to the Hawks. All your basically saying is different players on different teams at different times during different seasons may play differently — and sometimes different is better! Even though some teams may have, and indeed do have, a better top line than ours, I’m not so sure it deserves a paragraph in a postgame wrap for a game they weren’t even involved in!

2. If they are so fucking great and we have nothing bunch of shiftless assholes on our team, why are they one single point ahead of us in the standings? Can we not pass them in the standings if we win the game at hand we have on them?doesn’t the fact their fighting for the last spot right with us at least cast some doubt on their overwhelming effectiveness?

3. Why them now? I realize they are close to us in the standings, but so are 8 other god damn teams.

4. What kind of noise did that line make in the playoffs last year? I don’t remember you comparing our Stanely Cup winning squad to their miss the playoffs team after we finished playing Tampa Bay last season.

5. How about we compromise: you can compare the Toews/Kane line to the Ducks’ top line over and over again and I’ll stop complaining, but for every three times you do compare them to Corey Geztlaf Pertty, you have to balance it out by comparing them to the shittiest, most over-paid players in the league.

by Billy Charlesbois on Apr 4, 2011 5:17 AM CDT reply actions  

well don't know how helpful that comparison will be

since it seems Sam thinks the kids are overpaid and not showing enough for it.

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by justforkicks on Apr 4, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still have hope

At least for making the playoffs and a respectable showing. Getting Sharp back this week will be a good move in the right direction. The lack of productive depth and the playing top guys is bad, but this team matches up much better against most teams in the league when it can run those 2 fast and skilled lines, not just one like they are now. The D has not been terrible the past few games, and broken play like Seabs on the PP should not be the only thing that kills the game, if the Hawks forwards had done their job better, Seabs on Vinny would have been more of “oh and Biscuit puked for like 5 seconds on the PK”.

Maybe it is blind optimism, but I think this team when it can roll two highly skilled lines, is more than most NHL teams can handle. One highly skilled line, most NHL teams can neutralize.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 4, 2011 5:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Back in the day my GranDad was diagnosed with terminal cancer. It dragged on for almost a year and everyone involved, including him, needed it to end. I feel the same way about this season. This shit needs to end. We don’t have a chance against any team currently above us in the standings, assuming we even make the dance. I almost wish we would have just mailed it in in February and then play Russian roulette in the draft lotto.

by MickDurand on Apr 4, 2011 5:52 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

We don't we have a chance against any team above us?

Why not? It’s not the best of one game. It’s the best of 7. Why can’t we beat those teams 4 times? It’s not impossible, it just looks improbable right now.

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by stacie7 on Apr 4, 2011 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are becoming this spoiled of a fanbase

Where we think it’s better to miss the playoffs if we aren’t favorites to win the Cup?

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by LanceFister3 on Apr 4, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont get it either. Al Cimiglia essentially said it may be better to miss the playoffs to avoid disgrace.

Obviously hockey isnt war, but the logic reminded me of the solider in Vietnam who said “It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it.”

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

So finishing 9th in the conference is less embarrassing than losing a 7-game series to the #1 seed?

/facepalm

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by LanceFister3 on Apr 4, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

100% agree.

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Make the Playoffs!

We don’t have much experience as a fan base with this Stanley Cup Champ thing. 49 years eliminates just about everyone on this board. But God Dammit. We do have some experience with long stretches of making the playoffs every year. We want playoff hockey in this town! There’s nothing better.

by KingKorab on Apr 4, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

The salary cap encourages fans to treat their teams like corporate entities, or brands, in which we do cost/benefit analyses of player salaries and look at the assets not only in terms of what they provide now but whether and when they will have to be let go.

So in this environment it’s only reasonable and mature to acknowledge the laws of this kind of business environment and to hope for, say, one or two Cup challenges and three or four respectable post-season performances in a five-year period.

This goes against the visceral/vestigal impulse to have one’s warriors slaughter the hated enemy or fall on the sword if failing to do so. This helps explain the anguished nonsense of hoping your team finishes ninth instead of eighth. But isn’t finishing one point out of the money even more dishonorable? Perhaps forfeit the season sometime in December?

by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 4, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its pretty easy

Making the playoffs, even as an 8th seed = Respectable
Missing the playoffs = Sucktitude.

The different between playing even 4 more games and finsihing 9th is major in my mind.

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a bit hard to say, because we did (finally) win the Cup. But a two year playoff run? That’s it? That’s all we get after utter ineptitude for almost 10 years? We deserve nothing, but there’s nothing wrong at all about wanting more.

by KingKorab on Apr 4, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I may have gotten the wrong signals about this team, but I understood the message to be that this team bare minium would be playing playoff hockey on a regular basis as the Blackahwks did for 30 something straight seasons before the Dark Ages.

Im not saying were entitled to spot, but some fans seem way to willing to accept missing the playoffs. Making the playoffs should be the mimimum bar for as long as Kane-Toews-Hossa-Sharp-Keith Seabs and Campbell are around. If that core can’t get us there year in and year out like Detroits can, what are we paying them for?

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well Said

…and we’ll save the money debate for the off-season.

by KingKorab on Apr 4, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

and I think that any playoff experience that Corey and the other youngsters can get helps us next year and the year after that. No one expected the Hawks to repeat this year, but they need to get to the post season to help them in the future.

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by BigJohnAZ on Apr 4, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

The organization and the team’s goals should be to make the playoffs every season, and win the cup. One Goal and all that was the right MO last year, and it should be the same for every subsequent year.

by Waylon on Apr 4, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see how we can't accept it

if they miss the playoffs. I think many people just don’t see it as the end of the world. Disappointing? yes. A step back? Maybe. A critical blow to life as we know it? No. We’ll still have the same core group with a more experienced supporting cast next season, with likely fewer struggles.

by Katherine215 on Apr 4, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you've gone to hyperbole when you say "some think its the end of the world"

I understand your postion however. Who ya goin root for, right?

 I think the way I’m looking at it is this is the season where the fan base really needs to communitate to the Hawks brass that our expectations are playoffs year in and year out. They should know fans dont want to settle for some piecemeal version of the Cup team

Hopefully this debate is meaningless and the Hawks will get in and I agree the next few years SHOULD be better.

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course I'm exaggerating.

But some of the comments I’ve seen about this warrant it (not speaking only to you). In this case, I don’t see what you think people should do to not accept it – boycot the games next season? I can’t imagine anyone in the Hawks organization would be happy with missing the playoffs, but if it happens, it happens.

While I don’t think Stan has made good decisions at times, it’s not like he’s pulled a Bill Wirtz and iced a team of incompetent fools with zero chance at winning anything.

by Katherine215 on Apr 4, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it shouldn't happen. This is the NHL. If you dont suck you get in the playoffs.

It would be different if we were talking about baseball here where getting in is almost impossible. With this Core (which you correctly have labeled the best in the league) they should be getting in yearly.

I dont expect boycotts (God knows Im not), but I do expect good hard questions to be asked , if we have the best core, how come they do not guarantee us a playoff spot, yet Pittsburg and Detroit can do it constantly? Strive to be better. Ask hard questions.

Id also ask, how is missing the postseason after winning a Cup not taking a step back.

As for the pessmism, I dont even consider myself part of that club. I just dont want to be part of the club that looks at missing the playoffs as almost slightly better than making it and getting cremed because I see a major major difference.

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would suck majorly BUT

I disagree with the notion (that I’ve seen a bunch of times around here, though I’m not sure if it was all DTM or not) that not making the playoffs would tarnish the cup win because the hawks will be a laughingstock and only known for not repeating in the playoffs. My disappointment will be huge, but nothing can take the 2009-2010 season away from me.

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by justforkicks on Apr 4, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Each season is unique unto itself. My memories, my DVD and my One Goal Achieved book are not going to suddenly vanish no matter what happens.

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by hawkeytalk on Apr 4, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

It wont take away from the Cup

But it will represent a significant stumble for a team we all want to see become a dominant force year in and year out like the Penguins-Wings and old Devils.

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

For sure, and I totally agree with that

I don’t think anyone here will be happy about it. But like I said, I’ve seen it mentioned here a few times, how not making the playoffs would tarnish winning the cup to which I just don’t agree. At all. I still the think the Hawks can make it in, and if Bolly magically gets better, I think we can be a force again with him and Sharp healthy. If (big if) we don’t, then we can use the time we have left to rebuild and get the pieces of the team that we clearly need and pick up some more skilled depth.

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by justforkicks on Apr 4, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Playoff Hockey

I’m neither in the tarnish or laughing stock camp. I just want some playoff hockey. I disagree with anybody who thinks that finishing out of the playoffs is somehow a good thing. Let’s all gather around the TV and watch Dallas-Vancouver on Versus?. Makes me sick just thinking about it!

by KingKorab on Apr 4, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know you meant this analogy in the best sense

But please don’t use it in the future – we’re talking about a farking sport here, not life or death. That’s a bit more than apples and oranges, and since I’m speaking as a cancer survivor you know we’re I’m coming from.

by Waylon on Apr 4, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn’t mean to offend, my apologies if it was taken that way.

by MickDurand on Apr 4, 2011 1:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am an optimist when it comes to this bi-polar team,

always have & always will be, but now the glass is starting to look a little more empty than full. Sure they still have a 1 point lead on the Flamers and 3 on the Stars, but the Hawks play a much more difficult schedule this last week than either of those teams.

They will need at least 5 out of the last 8 points available, and I’m having a hard time seeing it happen after their recent performances. While I don’t think they played poorly last night, there did not seem to be that sense of urgency that is so critical to these games.

Nobody can sit there and say that the team on the ice last night remotely resembled the team that left everything on the ice against Scum or the Sharks. They knew they had to perform in those games and they did what had to be done (win or die trying).

Last night and against the BJ’s seemed kind of “we have 5 left, if we don’t get this one, we’ll get the next one” kind of mentality. As I stated in an earlier post, I think it’s time I just finally accepted that this team is just not as good as I hoped they were.

I didn’t expect a repeat this year, but I did expect more than this. Yes I know, all you have to do is get in to the playoffs and anything can happen. I have been hearing people say “look at Philly last year” I think the way they played in the regular season was a fluke, and the team in the playoffs was the real Flyers as evidenced by their performance thus far.

Anyway, I will still hold on to that glimmer of hope no matter how quickly it seems to be fading at the moment until it is completely gone. Without question, the boys had better figure out how bad they want to play by Tuesday against the Habs or the home and home against the Scum may not really matter.

As always, GO HAWKS!!!

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by Tuke on Apr 4, 2011 6:21 AM CDT reply actions  

I could agree w that statement!

I would love at least to see them show not hunger, but more like hungrier effort! I hope they can bounce back. Time is very slim now.

by shiekeehawk on Apr 4, 2011 6:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Every team wants the game more then us.....

……..as if we have quit already.

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by ccm on Apr 4, 2011 6:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Wanting it.

Anyone else think that Kaner’s level of desire on the ice has been worth the $6.3MM he is currently cashing? There have been a handful of examples over the past two weeks where he simply hasn’t hustled back into the Defensive zone and has cost the team goals. Last night’s whiff on the empty netter might not have truly mattered, but it was a perfect example of his “I don’t give a shit play.” I get all of the issues the line up currently has, but I am sick of his immaturity. He can dazzle one minute like no one else on the roster, and then go into YMCA pick up basketball mode the rest of a game. Last night’s performance sucked.

by NiemiNation on Apr 4, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kane wasn't the problem last night

at least I don’t think he was

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by Hack on Apr 4, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's weird

I seem to remember Kane having a handful of the best scoring chances we had all night. Kane and Hossa, if one of them wasn’t scoring last night, the team wasn’t scoring. Alas, that’s what happened.

Does anyone else think Kane has actually been arguably our best forward for the past week or so? At least in the offensive zone? Or do I suck at watching hockey?

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by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 4, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Kane has been playing well

Seems to be hustling his ass off. I believe I remember him maneuvering through 3-4 white jerseys last night to get the puck in the zone and then pulling a good shot off. But my eyes aren’t very good in terms of judging good hockey so what do I know.

by GoCubbies34 on Apr 4, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kaner not the issue right now

He was one of the few who were willing to fight through the forechecking and either get a shot off or make a pass – we’ve been experiencing a dearth of playmakers recently, no question about it, but Kaner’s not been the one loafing.

by Waylon on Apr 4, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's been solid

some people can’t get over the thought that he may never be as good a defensive player as Bolland, Toews, or Hossa.

For a good portion of the season, I think Kane’s been better defensively than sharp has.

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by Hack on Apr 4, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

People rag on Kane's D

because he doesn’t really have a physical aspect to that part of his game. But his speed and stickwork more than compensates. For the handful of defensive let-downs, I’ll take what he brings overall.

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by 334Rules on Apr 4, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Clarifying POV

I am not suggesting that Kane doesn’t fit the plans. I’ll take what he brings as well. But please, he is one of the highest earners on the team. And he just doesn’t work all the time. I would never say that about Hossa, Johnny, Seabs, etc. I just want to see him play at his best (which arguably a top 10% talent in the league). My whole hockey life was more defense minded, so I am guilty as charged at watching that end of the ice more closely. Kaner has had some awful games in the past two weeks in his end. Crawford had been amazing at keeping them in games (last night’s lack of activity has been the exception). The 3/26 Ducks game was the worst. He caused a breakaway and subsequent penalty, and stopped skating back to help on the odd man rush that caused the tying 1-1 goal. I have been stewing on his lack of hustle ever since. Again, there were 1 or two times last night where his quickness created our best chances. But we needed his quickness on every shift, and he was invisible for most of the game. I just wonder why it is so hit or miss.

by NiemiNation on Apr 4, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

See I've seen him

as one of the better forwards on the ice lately (excluding Boston game). I wish he was better defensively (though I’ve thought he has been better at backchecking, etc…), but he’s here for his offensive and playmaking abilities. He’s not an all around player and if you compare him in that regard to Toews, he is always going to fall short.

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by justforkicks on Apr 4, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

arbitrary metric

What do you mean by top 10% talent?

10% of the starting forwards in the league? 12 × 30 × 0.1 = 36
Kane is 14th in the league amongst forwards in points per game which is better than 36th.

10% of top 6 forwards in the league? 6 × 30 × 0.1 = 18
14th still meets this criteria

10% of top line forwards, you must have meant this one, because Kane isn’t in the top 9 forwards in points per game.

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by Hack on Apr 4, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

None of the "top" forwards are the problem.

Could they produce a little more? Certainly, Could some of them play a little better D at times? Absolutely! The big problem is that nobody below those guys are doing anything when those top guys are tied up, locked down or whatever other metaphor you want to use.

When those top guys are being hounded night after night, someone else has to step up their game and get the goal or big stop. When that happens maybe Hossa & Toews in particular will stop being driven in to the ground trying to do everything by themselves.

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by Tuke on Apr 4, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

part of the reason Toews and Hossa are being driven to the ground

is due to PK, last 2 games has been a parade of penalties. On the offensive side, I’ve seen Kane and Hossa being double shifted a LOT. What when those are the only guys producing, what other option is there?

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by justforkicks on Apr 4, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hossa is playing a fucking insane amount of minutes.

But the REAL fans know he is just mailing it in. Selfish prick that guy is.

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

add him to the list

of people we’re shipping out. So now its Keith, Kane, and Hossa right?

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by justforkicks on Apr 4, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dont forget that fucking pussy Patrick Sharp.

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think so

he’s been playing his ass of for a while now (though he’s had his moments), and he’s been at least trying to be more defensively responsible though its clearly not his strength. A lot of the chances on that line have either been ones he created for himself or for others. I tend to think Kane is the easiest scapegoat because its easy to target his maturity, defensive skills or “will to win” (which I still don’t know how most seem to think they know best and he has none), and because no one ever wants to pinpoint Toews or Hossa as having a bad or unnoticeable night.

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by justforkicks on Apr 4, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I thought they put out a solid effort last night.

They always struggle against a team that’s clogging up the neutral zone. You could argue they didn’t want to go in the corners to chase the dump-ins, but that’s not a trait of just this year’s team, but the Hawks in general.

by Katherine215 on Apr 4, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto

last night reminded me of the Patrick Lalime or Alex Ault games from last season. Beaten by a nobody goalie.

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by cliffkoroll on Apr 4, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a minute I thought it was Jonas Hiller in net last night.

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by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Hawks outplayed them but came up short

They made one of the top Eastern conference teams look pretty sad.

I’m not very optimistic but I think the fact the only seem to care when playing certain teams leads me to believe if we get in the first round Vancouver may have a lot on their hands.

One last thing, Hjammer hasn’t lived up to his contract one bit this year and I won’t be shocked if he is shipped off in the offseason seeing Seabs got a raise.

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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Apr 4, 2011 8:09 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't agree

Who is going to replace Hjammer? I think his play prior to this season warrants a chance to overcome his sophomore slump. We have no idea what injuries he’s been playing with all season, either.

by Katherine215 on Apr 4, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sick of this

“Hawks outplayed them” meme. The Lightning played the game they needed to play once they got up by a goal, just like many teams have done against the Hawks this year. Outplaying your opponent does not mean a rat’s ass in the standings. What does: OUTSCORING your opponent.

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by 334Rules on Apr 4, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have to agree with 334 here

The ‘Ning played exactly the game they wanted. The hawks never really got a ton going, mostly due to entry issues and neutral zone clogging. This also kept TB fresher given their back-to-back situation, they weren’t flying up and down the ice and instead waited for the hawks to come to them. Shot totals do not always equal differential in play, especially when you don’t look at the quality of the shots taken. Pretty sure tampa had half the shots, but still a similar amount of scoring chances. That is key.

by ImpersonatingTheEagle on Apr 4, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go so far as to say they made the Lightening look sad

simply due to the fact that I don’t think Tampa really tried to get anything offensively going. Once they got the lead they just sat back & trapped all night.

No need to waste energy they didn’t have.

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by Tuke on Apr 4, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

THE VILLAGE IDIOT

First off, I have to tip my hat to Flyersfaninchicago – that was a well written, impartial view of this tortuous season.

Secondly, am I the only one out there that thought we were the dominant team out there last night? We deserved a W for our efforts, clearly outplaying a fortunate Lightning squad. Outside of holding my breath when St. Louis had the puck on his stick, the only concern I had was if we’d finally catch a break or a good bounce.

I thought we emerged from the board warfare with flying colors last night. as I drove home listening to the post game show I thought to myself; who had a bad game for the hawks last night? I really couldn’t find fault in any particular Hawk, what I saw was a determined effort that went unrewarded. It happens, all you can do is ratchet it up another notch against the Candiens on Tuesday. we’d better come out flying. As far as the Utes go, as Joe Pesci would put it, I even thought Leddy played quite well and Kruger showed sparks of possibilities.

Let me ask you something – i realize TB beat us twice this past month, but who do you think is the better team?

Again, my hats off to section 321 and 322 who always seem to lead the charge with the “Lets go Hawks” cheer. The hawks owe fans like you a few more wins this season.

Last night seemed to epitomize this excruciating season. But let me dream build for a second – can you imagine the euphoria we’ll experience if we finished 8th and opened up against the Canucks and their great italian goal tender. Then imagine us beating them in 7 games. If we were to somehow get ot the Conference Finals this year, this team would generate as much excitement as Toews and Kanes rookie year.

I know, "dreamer, your nothing but a dreamer.’ but it beats throwing in the towel while we still have breath.

by wardrums on Apr 4, 2011 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Drunk Sex?

At least with drunk sex you still score and sometimes get breakfast the next morning…

They clearly couldn’t slip a Prius through the STL arch which for all intents and purposes means they cock blocked themselves… Or someone needs to give them a little blue pill as a little pick me up so they can close the fucking deal.

Then again if they wouldn’t have shit the bed on 10/22, 10/23, 10/29, 11/1, 11/3, 11/7, 11/19, either 12/13 or 12/15, 12/28, 1/25, 2/7, 2/18, or 3/8 -- Or even half of those they could spend the next 4 games skating drunk while pissing themselves and we would all be pumped about a possible Cup run 3 in the last 3 years.

At least at this point T-Brow, Frolick, and Kopecky probably wont get a raise if they come back… That’s a positive? Maybe?

Really has nothing to do with effort. They were trying last night and have been trying… They just cant execute for a shit. Big difference. Lack of effort not so much – Lack of ability/awareness/swagger whatever you want to call it… definitely.

If healthy in the playoffs (which they will make) they will do some damage if injuries persist the role players aren’t good enough to pick up the slack. Not rocket science and has nothing to do with effort so can we please stop with that stupid excuse.

by TurdFurgeson on Apr 4, 2011 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

I wish to hell

I could point out a positive. But I’ve got none.

That DOG from Hjammer — as noted — was (like so many of his others) completely inexcusable. I would argue that ANY DOG from an NHL player is inexcusable, despite a buddy’s insistence that "sometimes the puck’s on edge and . . . " Fuck that. Crawford’s I understand — don’t like — but understand; a position player? Fuck no, again.

I saw little in the way of heart last night. For the bazillionth time this season, it looked like it was the Hawks, and not their opponent, playing the second of a back-to-back. The posture of 88 as he got beat back for the empty-netter said it all: utter surrender.

And screw the Hawks’ shot total. Maybe 5 of them were realistic chances. The rest were all nothing but idiotic attempts to go 6-hole, which — lemme check here; yep — has never resulted in a goal.

I still think they’ll probably make the playoffs, but I now fully expect them to get the new-fish-in-prison treatment from Vancouver, which will at least save me the indignity of seeing my credit card get charged for rounds 3 & 4 so Rocky can earn an extra couple months interest on my 2011-12 ticket money.

An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)

by 334Rules on Apr 4, 2011 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

The only positive I can think of is that Vancouver isn't overly physical.

The book out there on the Blackhawks over that last 3 years seems to be to just try and beat the living shit out of them. Vancouver plays a faster game and hopefully that plays into the hands of the Blackhawks. Id rather try and go end to end with Vancouver then try and slug it out in the corners with Detroit or San Jose.

Either way, I have a terrible feeling. Also, Im not sure if Im in this camp or not, but that wasn’t pessimism for the sake of being pessimistic. That shit is real.

Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil

by HjammerTime on Apr 4, 2011 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

So given the recent trend

I should be worried about this week’s back-to-back right?

by RVW5000 on Apr 4, 2011 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

abandon ships you rats

Since Jeff Bartl could not find the inner strength to channel Toews mind, I gave it a go. Let me tell you something, there’s a lot of weird stuff going on in that psychotic brain. I have a new found appreciation for what Bartl has gone through this season.

Anyway, this was what was revealed to me;

“Chill out you weak spirited quitters, you make me sick. Boo-Hoo, so we lost a game we should have won – that’s the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. You all quit on us last year when we lost the first playoff game against Vancouver, remember?? You all disgust me. What, are we supposed to go 82-0?

I know what you feckless bag of worry warts are thinking – we never play well against the flaming Frenchmen, the Blues whole season revolves on kicking our ass and there’s no way we can beat the Wings, ooohhh I’m afraid. Take some Viagra you flaccid lot of limp wristed acquiescer’s.

Did you see my picture on the back of the Suntimes today? Does that look like a quitter to you, does that look like someone who’s given up on this season? Does that look like Maria singing “the Hills are alive with the sound of music to you?” i’ve got Halls stick precariuously close to my testicles and Smith’s stick is real close to my anus. Does that look like someone who says “We just aren’t good enough?” Go bake a cake Suzy Homemaker. It’s a good thing Katherine defended Hjammer or I’d be kicking her ass too. Any of you ever make a mistake – you sicken me.

I’m sure if I shook your hand it would feel like a piece of overcooked spaghetti. You might as well take the next two games off, you slackers. But i’ll be expecting you to be on board when we seal the deal in Detroit this Saturday.

Truthfully I want to vomit you luke warm fans out of my mouth, you panty waists – Man Up, would you? I told you this shit wasn’t going to be easy and tell Bartl he better be back after the Canadien game, the slackard.

I will get it done. Your either with me or against me. It’s a good thing I have a short memory.

You all can’t handle the truth."

by wardrums on Apr 4, 2011 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I'd love to be with ya,

but it’s near impossible.

"Yet you skate like you think wearing it is enough."

LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!

by ballyb on Apr 4, 2011 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

To wardrums.

"Yet you skate like you think wearing it is enough."

LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!

by ballyb on Apr 4, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah it's all Seabrooks fault.

Hawks score 0 goals, but let’s call out the D man for making a mistake. jhat about the shit that didn’t win the draw? What about the goalie that let the puck in? Nope, it’s all Seabrook’s fault. Come on, If you don’t score, you most likely will not win. Blame it on the scoreboard Sam.

What were we talking about?

by laaarmer on Apr 4, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

It aint over until its over!

No one should throw the towel in yet. Hawks is still breathing, they can do it!

by shiekeehawk on Apr 5, 2011 12:32 AM CDT reply actions  

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