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2010-2011 Player Evaluations: Fernando Pisani

Look at a what you did to my nice-ah white-ah suit!

When Fernando Pisani was signed for the league minimum last summer as part of Stan Bowman's great stockpiling of parts, we declared it a low-risk signing and that the Hawks would be lucky to get 50 games out of a guy whose health had seriously failed him since he freaked the fuck off in the playoffs 5 years ago. He turned out to be pretty much exactly that. Score one for us.

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Fernando Pisani

#15 / Right Wing / Chicago Blackhawks

6-1

205

Dec 27, 1976



GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2010 - Fernando Pisani 60 7 9 16 0 10 1 0 1 72

 

Contract Status: Unrestricted Free Agent (2010-2011 Salary - $500,000)

Positives: Well, whoever had the over on games played can cash in their tickets. Pisani played more games than he had in any of the previous four seasons, and as a result produced more offensively than he had since 2007-2008 with still only 16 points. He also posted his first non-negative rating since 2005-2006. When properly slotted within the lineup, Pisani was a serviceable fourth liner, and could reliably eat up PK minutes, playing an average of 1:25 shorthanded a game. Oh, and he also gave us an excuse to make repeated references to one of the best skits MTV's The State ever aired, insensitive as they may have been.

Negatives: As is becoming a recurring theme for these report cards, when Pisani found himself anywhere else but the fourth line, the story was not good. Unfortunately, that happened far too often early on in the season, where he started out on Patrick Sharp's wing, and then along side Dave Bolland in a defensive role. Pisani couldn't keep up with either of these units, and was relegated to the fourth line, and even there he was pressed into detail at center on more than a few occasions. And though he did log significant time while shorthanded, Pisani was far and away the Hawks' worst penalty killer per 60 minutes of those that played at least a minute shorthanded a game.

Defining Moment: It was the injury we all knew was coming eventually, but only this time it wasn't wear and tear or something flukey, but a borderline shot from Dallas' Mark Fistric. How Fistric didn't receive a pecker slap from the league after that elbow is still a mystery.

 

Outlook: Barring the unlikely career rejuvenation that obviously didn't happen with Pisani, he was always going to be a one year, stop-gap, bargain basement roster filler for this season as the the giant brain of Stan Bowman traversed the tight rope that is the salary cap. There are younger, cheaper, and more durable options than Pisani out there for the Hawks next year. Some team will pick Pisani up, but it doesn't appear that he's got enough left in the tank to contribute seriously to a competitor, and signing him again would be another roll of the dice with his health.

Final Grade: C. While The Pope-Ah did exceed expectations in the number of games played and possibly in points produced as well, he was a disappointment in one of his primary roles, killing penalties. Though he was in all likelihood a symptom of the PK unit's failures and not a direct cause, his past success was still one of the main reasons he was given the opportunity he was with the Hawks, and this year's results will now be a reason he'll be plying his trade elsewhere.

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Oh how

I will miss Da Popah pictures.

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on May 16, 2011 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Fernando

Good to see you, thanks for playing, good luck in the future.

by oregon_hawk on May 16, 2011 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

He's a so nice-ah!

Yep, I’d say a C is fitting for him. I was hoping once he joined the Hawks he would become something more than we expected, but it didn’t work out and that’s okay. Thanks Fernando – and good luck.

by K_Dog on May 16, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Great name.

Had a good thing going with 36-Mafia for awhile but it soon petered out.

Competed with John Scott for playoff minutes. Enough said.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

Competed with John Scott for playoff minutes. Enough said.

That sums it up nicely

by FrankStallone on May 16, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe my rose-tinted hindsight glasses are turned to 11

But I seem to remember some really good stuff from the Bickell-Bolland-Pisani line, before he got hurt. By the time he got back, we were in high injury season, so that line never got the chance to gel again. I liked the Pope-ah, and I find myself feeling a little sad things didn’t work out better.

by The_FFF on May 16, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

36 Mafia was a good shutdown line for a time to be sure.

Never really got a chance to reunite. In my opinion, its not worth trying either. Bickell-Fro and Bo had a good thing going at the end of the season. I can live with that 3rd line.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I agree it's not worth going back to it now

I was just indulging in some “what could have been”, which is almost never a good idea.

by The_FFF on May 16, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Pisani did have a good stint on the checking line, but if the Hawks can sign Frolik to be a 3rd line winger, then 110% “Thanks, but goodbye Pisani.”

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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 16, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, Pisani shouldn't be coming back

but there was a span of time where he did really well with Bolland and Bickell

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

First Pisani

got hurt, then Bolland got Kubina’d. Bye Bye 36 Mafia. The name was fab and the results were OK too, albeit short lived.

Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?

by hawkeytalk on May 16, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

I just realized a guy in a Blackhawks jersey skated directly to Fistric to challenge him.

WOW

/sarcasm

by RVW5000 on May 16, 2011 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I like how Seabrook appears to be politely saying "Um, can I have a word with you?"

Maybe we need a caption contest to make use of this thread?

Seabs: Hey, you just knocked out the Pope-ah! I really want to fuck you up for that, but he’d prefer if I turned the other cheek.

And now we know why the Hawks seemed to lack team toughness this year…

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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

how about

Hammer: Hey Pope-ah, don’t cry buddy. Shortly after I iced the puck I found your other glove in the corner.

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by Hack on May 17, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

He can be replaced by an equally inexpensive but younger and more durable alternative....next topic

thanks, Pisani, for uhm, yeah. Well, good luck.

Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.

by Detroit Must Die on May 16, 2011 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

It was a low-risk, low-reward play in the first place

for a guy who was never going to cost much money and wasn’t going to be much of a factor, positive or negative, on the season’s outcome regardless of who he played for. The best case scenario would have been a stunningly unexpected breakout season, but in the absence of that I don’t think there was ever any doubt that he’d only be a ’Hawk for the 1 season

by FrankStallone on May 16, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was a great season for Italian Blackhawk fans

In addition to the classics of Phil and Tony Esposito- Tony Amonte-Enrico Ciccone and Lou Angotti:

Fernando Pisani
Chris Campoli
Marty Turco

I hope Pirri joins this club in a few year. (I assume he’s Italian)

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Sets up for a Hawks/Scum final

Ohh lordy.

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by McClure on May 16, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

This could be the only saving grace.

Count me among the people who dont give a good fuck if the Wings have to travel a bit more than other clubs. They seem to be doing just fine.

Moving the Wings will mark the 2nd time in 20 years that the Blackhawks have been fucking out of a major rivalry. The fucking Blues are going to be our big rival? Big deal.

This could mean the Blackhawks will have a chance to win more division titles, but I like the heat of rivalries. Who is going to get up for the fucking Minnesota Wild?

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

*sorry for excessive use of the word fuck.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

No need to apologize

a good amount of fucks are in order if this actually happens. I REALLY hope that Bettman is smart enough to realize that a) there are several teams in central division that are actually a fair amount further east than Detroit (i.e. Nashville and Columbus), and b) the Chicago-Detroit rivalry is good for hockey, and as such keeping them in the same division is good for hockey. And of course this is all predicated on an eastern conference team moving to the western conference; now that the Coyotes are chained to Glendale for another season it’s possible that the Thrashers could be moving to Winnipeg, but nothing’s set in stone. Of course I also realize that the phrase “hope that Bettman is smart enough” is in and of itself a contradiction, but let’s just let that one slide ok?

by FrankStallone on May 16, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time zone wise...

Nashville isn’t going anywhere imo since it’s CST. It’d either be the Wings or Jackets. This is assuming that Atlanta loses its second hockey team to Canada (which is totally hilarious).

I love this Coyotes stuff, the team is on life support and instead of giving them an life saving injection, the NHL continues to keep them in the ICU which costs millions of dollars and bring them no closer to getting better. What I don’t get about it is keeping the Yotes in Glendale doesn’t make PR or economic sense from where I sit… fans don’t care if they leave Arizona (and probably want them to leave) and the franchise is bleeding money (even though cost-neutral (at least) options exist).

by Otter7 on May 16, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if Phoenix then ends up moving to Quebec?

Would Det/Nash/Cbus move back to the West?

This whole thing has the potential to be a mess of Bettmanic proportions.

by flahawkfan on May 16, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the next likely destination for an NHL club

is KC. I’ve seen plenty of studies and the Quebec needed the most work. Might be wrong, but that would be the next likely city. Unless someone tries Las Vegas.

by Kev623 on May 16, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great! Another town with no hockey tradition!

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

KC had the Scouts (before they moved east), didn't they?

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by krome on May 16, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct

At this point it seems any location they want to move a team has had a team before that has either failed or relocated.

by Kev623 on May 16, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Make it Portland.

Insanely rich hockey history, and the local CHL team was selling out (10,900 something people) during the playoffs.

by transienthawk on May 16, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

But I believe the problem is no arena in Portland

You need a 16K person minimum arena and you have to have a fair amount of corporate sponsorship. I believe KC has basically built their arena and is just waiting for a team. Seattle and Portland seem to me to be the next likely US cities, but from the studies I had seen KC was the place most were looking at.

by Kev623 on May 16, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's an ethnic slur

which is sad, because I used to like that word.

We like our people!

by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2011 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is that one no longer useable?

I thought with the people’s ‘rebranding’ as Romani, the old term could be used

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The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on May 17, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Portland has 2 stadiums large enough

Right next to each other.

Memorial Coliseum holds something like 17K for hockey games (they just close the upper tier for CHL games).

The Rose Garden holds like 19K or something for hockey games – the Portland Trailblazers play there.

Stadiums are available.

by transienthawk on May 16, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

HP and Intel

have facilities in Portland/Beaverton/Hillsboro. There are other large companies in the area too. I’m sure corporate sponsors would be available.

Paul Allen is the biggest problem, as he holds most of the rights to the nicer, and larger, Rose Garden.

by transienthawk on May 16, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upon further review

Memorial Coliseum apparently doesn’t have that many seats. It wouldn’t be viable.

You can see more space available when you’re in the building, but I guess it’s not used.

by transienthawk on May 16, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should say

I’m basically spreading rumors as far as fact checking goes. Most of what I’ve heard has come from blogs (mainly when Mirtle ran From the Rink) and the general idea was the only team that had an NHL ready rink that seated 16K or more was KC (or at least they could finish one the fastest). I believe 16K was the smallest NHL rink at the time, but I don’t think it is any magic number in regards to profit.

As for corporate sponsorship, I am completely clueless. Basically you can play with the numbers to make any place look good or bad. Wasn’t really intended to be a shot. I think the fear is moving to a city that has a NBA team to compete with for the dollars. In that case Seattle makes more sense, but I believe Seattle has more arena issues, which is why KC has the advantage over both. I don’t think the NFL was ever much of a concern as they will win any battle and their season is over halfway through the NHL season.

I will say the basic conclusion most people reached is that the best case for any of these cities would be to end up like Calgary. They make money if they advance two rounds into the playoffs, break even with a first round loss and lose money if they don’t make the playoffs. That’s not a very good best case, but such is life in the NHL. Breaking even is a good season for most teams. (Should be noted that the breaking even number is the one reported after the books are cooked. I have some serious doubts the Hawks lost money last year.)

by Kev623 on May 17, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't the Seattle NBA basketball stadium adequate for hockey too?

I’m not a basketball follower, so I don’t keep track of those

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It needs more cowbell.

by krome on May 17, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't claim to know for sure

But I believe the size of Key Arena for a NHL game was right at 16 K or just under. But it supposedly needed updating to accommodate more box seats and high value seats. Again, not sure how 16K was decided on, it may have been chosen by someone in KC to justify the move there for all I know. Seattle and Portland seem like fine options to me, it just always seemed like Winnipeg and KC were the two discussed for next in line for a team. A lot of this is probably driven by Wang’s threat to move the Islanders to KC and whatever justification he used.

by Kev623 on May 17, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding your last statement
(Should be noted that the breaking even number is the one reported after the books are cooked. I have some serious doubts the Hawks lost money last year.)

I get the feeling that Rocky does not run the team specifically for it to make money for his company. I think he looks at it as a labor of love, and while he does not want it to lose money foolishly, he is all about the thrill of when the UC is rocking and the team is playing well. He really wants to WIN, not just break even.

Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?

by hawkeytalk on May 17, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're probably right about that

because there’s no other way to explain the smart-for-hockey-but-horrible-for-business decision to lend out Huet to HC Fribourg-Gotteron. From a hockey perspective we all agree it was a great (and wholly necessary) move to eliminate his ridiculous cap hit, but from a business perspective Rocky is paying $5.625 million a year for 2 years to a guy who’s not even on the roster. If Rocky was running the team specifically to make money for his company, Huet would have been in a Blackhawks sweater this season and the team would have had to sell off even more pieces last summer – Hjalmarsson’s offer sheet from the Sharks would not have been matched, one other player (maybe Brouwer or even Rat) would have probably been traded away, and it would have been mighty difficult to fit Seabrook’s extension that goes into effect next season under the cap.

by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree

But with a cap limiting the amount he is spending, I don’t think the Hawks could spend more than they could make in a season like last year. And it is in the owners best interest to make it seem like they make little money with the CBA needing to be redone again after next season.

It maybe the case with the size of the upper management increasing and the scouting team and additions to payroll that they didn’t make money, but I just have some doubts. I’m also not sure if the bottom line was determined before or after buying all the rings.

by Kev623 on May 17, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just think of stuff like

That the team simply does not cheap out on stuff for the team/about the team

The team doctor traveling with the team, the parent’s trip that seemed a couple days longer than it could have been (spent at least an extra day in LA, IIRC), the money on marketing, the rings for basically everyone involved with the team.

Even stuff like the commemorative book (which is REALLY nice — it could have actually cost them money to print/distribute), shows that the organization is not about “investing”, it’s about attracting and keeping top players, and keeping the Hawks top of mind amongst a crowded Chicago sports market.

Rocky just hasn’t acted like a typical sports team owner — so far. It will be interesting to see how he behaves as part of the CBA negotiations.

Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?

by hawkeytalk on May 17, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oops

Hit reply before it was fully baked so it’s a bit garbled at the top. But you catch my drift.

Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?

by hawkeytalk on May 17, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

there are a couple of "busines histories" of the NHL out there

the one I read a decade or so ago (by a Toronto Globe & Mail sportswriter) was really eyeopening.

Apparently, pretty much every NHL team has “lost money” (by their books, anyway) pretty much every yer the NHL has existed.

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by krome on May 17, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pre-lockout

I actually think that the owners didn’t make a lot of money if any. I will never trust the public statements of how the teams did financially, but players salaries at that time seemed out of touch with what the league was making. And I don’t think owning a team is really ever a very profitable venture, but the NHL will always be divided between those that can make money and those that can only hope to break even. I think there are some teams in the cap era that are basically being forced to make a profit. Hard to say if that is better or worse for the NHL. With the cap floor going up next year as well, I don’t see how Columbus makes any money knowing they’ll have to spend more and they lost a reported 30 million this year.

by Kev623 on May 17, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rose Garden

I’ve heard from a few places the Rose Garden is considered a state-of-the-art hockey arena, just has no NHL team in it. They would have to share it with the Blazers, but plenty of teams share arenas.

Along with HP and Intel, a company called Nike is also based in Beaverton. I think there is enough in the way of large companies in the Portland area to make it realistic.

The biggest problem is Paul Allen….he already owns two teams (Blazers and Seahawks), and he doesn’t really seem interested in adding a NHL team to that list, and he’d be the most likely buyer. The Pens almost came to Portland several years ago and the deal dragged in large part because of Allen.

by Seth Torpey on May 18, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the Wild changed their name

I could totally get up for some Twin Cities hate.

by Otter7 on May 16, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they were the North Stars, that would be fine.

But they aren’t.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't like the look of Christmas vomit?

My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...

by Joe Banks on May 16, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Awww

I like those all greeners they have… I feel like a Hawks/Wild Winter Classic at Target Field or the Gophers stadium with the Hawks in red and the Wild in all Green would be awesome.

by Otter7 on May 16, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be cool

but if the Wild are going to host a WC anytime in the foreseeable future, the only opponent that should even be considered is the Stars

by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

does moving the Trash

mean they’re going to realign the entire league? The reasonable place for them in Winnipeg would be the Northwest Division, would that mean the Wild move to the Central?

Columbus or Nashville moving directly to the Southeast seems like it would be less hassle than a significant realignment of the Northwest, Central, and either Atlantic or Northeast Divisions.

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by boldmatter on May 16, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Pope-ah

I always thought “the pope-ah” was a reference to Father Guido Sarducci of SNL fame?

by Cristobal the Cat on May 16, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

In five years

will anyone remember that Fernando Pisani played for the Blackhawks in 2010-2011? Like does anyone remember the year Chad Kilger played for the Hawks?

by Otter7 on May 16, 2011 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

If they're making a contingency schedule

with Winnipeg in the mix, that means that the league must have decided already which western conference team will move to the East if the move takes place and what the divisions will look like. All I can say is that if they do separate Chicago and Detroit I’m gonna be pissed.

by FrankStallone on May 16, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problem is

Detroit ownership wants to move east. Easier financially and a better schedule for fans. We all hate 9/10 o’clock starts when they’re on the west coast.

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on May 16, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sources?

For Detroit leadership saying these things?

Saw something about one of the senior brass saying things will be the same next season, but not commenting on their future after that.

by RVW5000 on May 16, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't Columbus further east?

Is having 5 out of the fucking 6 Original teams in 1 Conference a good idea?

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like it.

Might as well move Chicago to the east too.

by RVW5000 on May 16, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Columbus and Detroit

Are basically right on top of each other. I think when I google mapped it there was like .1 of a degree difference in favor of Columbus.

I think the NHL wouldn’t mind having the Detroit/Toronto rivalry back. And they could make an original 6 division (not that they would). Chicago would then have Minn/Stl as their rivals.

by Kev623 on May 16, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then move Toronto back to the West and give the East Nashville and Columbus!

The East already has enough established franchises.

The West is the Hawks/Blues/Wings/Flames/Oilers and Canucks with the rest of the teams that seem like they could all be moved/fold within the next 15-20 years.

This blows.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

hockey seems to be doing pretty good in San Jose

and LA and Anaheim aren’t doing too bad either.

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by boldmatter on May 16, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

San Jose and LA should have been added.

I have no use for the Ducks.

Its still a sub-par conference for rivalries without Detroit.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a Chicago-centrist view

The west has always been a sub-par conference for rivalries, it’s too big.

by Kev623 on May 16, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%.

And thats precisely why moving the Wings is such a bad idea. Were going from bad to worse here.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I first read this comment

I thought you wanted to move Detroit to the East and Toronto to the West, but I agree it would be nice to realign and get a division like Toronto, Chicago, Detroit, Winnipeg, and Min. Lose Stl, but I think it’d be a fun division. Creates a lot of problems out west, but they always have a lot of problems.

by Kev623 on May 16, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Map posted at PPP

For visualization. (thanks Semi_Colon)

by K_Dog on May 16, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danka Schoen

The Red Wings: When we aren’t bitching about the officiating, we are bitching about travel! (When not changing our depends).

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like whoever drew the green line

They sent the top section heading west to not look as bad as it is. You could draw a straight line down Detroit and Columbus and really show how much bigger the West is from the East. Not that the picture doesn’t still show this, it just isn’t as bad as it could be.

by Kev623 on May 16, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still favor an alignment more like MLB or NFL

Split Conferences not based on region, but like AL/NL AFC/NFC, with each NHL Conference having 3 O-6 teams (TOR/CHI/DET is my personnel favorite). This would spread travel more equally among all teams and not have a few with long travel (NW) and a few with very short (ATL).

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 16, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Travel for 41 games vs 8 games

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(Short sale pending)

by ChicagoNativeSon on May 16, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I imagine you are talking the 2 EC Divisions teams.

The fact the entire EC travels less for all games but 8-10 (all teams in EC can almost fit in the geo area of the NW), than the NW division itself does just to play in division is kinda goofy. Make it a little more spread out for ALL.

This is what I proposed last off-season as a start.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 16, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love how you brought back the old school conference/division names.

by K_Dog on May 16, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

East-West just don’t work like this. So once I went Soupy-Wales Conferences, why not the old divisions as well, plus add the Gretzky and Richard division with them?

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 16, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see this sort of realignment happening anytime soon

which is a damn shame if you ask me because I think it makes a LOT more sense than having an eastern conference and a western conference. It doesn’t really matter how you slice it, western conference teams will ALWAYS have to travel more than eastern conference teams simply due to how concentrated teams are on the east coast and how spread out they are throughout the rest of the continent. MLB and NFL both employ very successful models whereby only division alignments, but not conferences, are determined geographically. Really, for the sake of fairness, that sort of model would make much more sense for the NHL than the NBA-style eastern and western conferences.

by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Makes more sense now

I misread it the first time. So keep the divisions close, but spread the conferences out.

Yeah, makes too much sense. It’ll therefore never happen.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 16, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about "never"

I mean, Bettman’s reign of stupidity won’t be eternal, right?

by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course not, there's other morons out there that will eventually get a chance

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on May 17, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably. Another HORRIBLE hockey town.

We will hate their team….and their fans will have no fucking idea hockey exists. The St. Louis Blues are set to become our biggest rivals. BARF.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

fuck

thanks for making me sick

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by LanceFister3 on May 16, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

read them on Twitter but is was MSM sources

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on May 16, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should the league do what's better for Detroit

or what’s better for the league. I completely understand why the Wings would want to shift into the eastern conference – less travel, no games that don’t start until 10:30 PM EST, a little bit easier overall competition wise (at least that’s the trend over the last few years). But the fact is that regardless of what’s better for Detroit or what they want, it’s better for the league if Detroit remains in the western conference ESPECIALLY if the ’Hawks are still here as well.

by FrankStallone on May 16, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Hawks aren't going anywhere.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, they're not

and that’s exactly my point. As long as the ‘Hawks are in the west and the other 4 original 6 teams are in the east, none of which will be changing anytime in the foreseeable future, it’s absolutely NOT in the league’s best interest to let Detroit move to the eastern conference regardless of what they want to do.

by FrankStallone on May 16, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or is it?

Dont most American hockey TV viewers live out East?

What do they give a fucking about us slack jawed yokles in the Midwest and West?

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let 'em go...

We’ll be in the SCF every year…

"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"

by Saskjet on May 16, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

...and we will forever be told by SCUM nation that its only because they aren't there anymore.

I want to DESTROY them in a WCF’s at least once before they leave.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would certainly be nice

but if it came down to it, I supposed I’d be willing to settle for destroying the scum in the SCF instead…

by FrankStallone on May 16, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with your sentiments, but...

It doesn’t say on the Cup who you beat to get your name on there

"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"

by Saskjet on May 16, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

More great news!

http://www.sportslogos.net/blog/2011/03/14/making-a-big-moostake-itd-be-moose-not-jets-in-12/

Whoever this asshole is says that the Manitoba team wont even be the Jets.

They are going to go with the Manitoba Moose.

This whole situation is a bunch of honky bullshit.,

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I've seen that in a couple of places

and it’s complete crap. The league should mandate that the only way they’ll sign off on moving the team up to Winnipeg is if they become the Jets.

by FrankStallone on May 16, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

HAVE to Rec that...

"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"

by Saskjet on May 16, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I might be wrong

But I believe they couldn’t use Jets as that is still owned by the Coyotes. It maybe they wouldn’t want to use Jets either, but they may not have the option.

by Kev623 on May 16, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, considering that the Coyotes are owned by the NHL

it probably wouldn’t be too difficult to work out some sort of deal…

by FrankStallone on May 16, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

My sister was bitten by a Moose once

My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...

by Joe Banks on May 16, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

go on...

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by LanceFister3 on May 16, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mynd you, Møøse bites Kan be pretti nasti…

Full screen and read the subtitles.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 16, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

My aunt totalled a Chevy Kingswood Estate wagon hitting a moose in the UP..

…doncha know, eh?

True story…

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The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on May 17, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I went to NMU in the UP

We had a moose come onto campus and it saw its reflection in a library window and just started charging it and smashed it to shit.. I would have paid good money to see it.

Im pretty they just tranquilized it. Still awesome.

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by HjammerTime on May 17, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope Johnny Toews never gets an inch to return home to Winnipeg.

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Or even a centimeter...

"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"

by Saskjet on May 16, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

maybe when he is 40 and verge of retiring?

1 yr deal so we can then retire number.
Toews is loyal, id be more worried about kane

by Jrs23 on May 16, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lived in Winnipeg for 20 years, and in Chicago for 7...

Jonathan Toews is NOT going to go back to Winnipeg …EVER…

Worry about something else…

"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"

by Saskjet on May 16, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL – okay we’ll take your word for it.

by K_Dog on May 16, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

oddly enough I only see Kane moving to Buffalo, if he moves at all

even just based on the ASG, he seems like a kid who wants to keep the family together. so to speak.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yet he allegedly travels back to Chicago

And have his belongings gone threw to be photographed after a booty call?

Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 16, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does that have to do with anything?

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

You realize by "Family" I meant the team and I referenced the ASG because

I was talking about how he tried to get all past and present Hawks together?

Regardless – how does your comment have anything to do with mine?

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see Kaner leaving Chicago for Buffalo for personell preference

Money perhaps, but not just because he wants to play in BUF. Think he really likes Chicago (maybe too much) that is all.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 16, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upon rereading, my response was kind of bitchy, huh? Sorry!

But yes, agree, $ is likely the only reason he would change teams. He definitely loves the city, but I do think he’s more loyal to the team/teammates then some may think.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?????
he seems like a kid who wants to keep the family together.

Every other player was on the ice with their families long after the SC winner. Kane was in the locker room w/ his cousin (of taxicab fame) and friends popping champagne corks.

My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.

LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!

by ballyb on May 16, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not actually talking about his family

as I said to TMFF, I was talking about the team and specifically referenced ASG because I was talking about how he tried to get all past and present Hawks together. Maybe I should have said “family.”

As for the SC, from the clips I saw, I saw him on the ice with his actual family and the team, and then saw him in the locker room with his team celebrating. Anything else I don’t know.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, even if I meant his actual family

him being in the locker room with his cousin and friends, and his family I presume (or what they were hanging out on the ice by themselves?) kind of supports that point as well wouldn’t you say?

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It reall stood out to me.

He was on the ice for a very short time with the family and then made a beeline to the locker room. While they interviewed the Hawks (almost all with teary eyed family), they shot the locker room 3 or 4 times and the only ones there were Kane and entourage.

My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.

LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!

by ballyb on May 16, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did his entourage include his family? I can't imagine they were on the ice when he wasn't

From what I saw he seemed to be with the team and with his family. I don’t have the DVD, and have only seen what was shown on tv, which I may not remember correctly, if that makes a difference. My impression of him is that he’s really close to his family and tight with a bunch of the past and present Hawks. But I don’t know, and neither does anyone else around here.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

was that before or after his interview

where he introduced his sister, the basketball player, to the reporter as “the athlete in the family”?

i call everyone 'bro' regardless of gender or age... which makes running into old ladies at the grocery store kind of awkward.

by boldmatter on May 16, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

By all reports

He’s very close with each of his family members.

Why are people even discussing this (not an indictment of your comment, just the direction parts of this thread are trending).

by transienthawk on May 16, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

my fault

shouldn’t really be surprised, but my comment that I think he’s more loyal to the Hawks – teammates/organization/the city (and that I think he’ll stay for a while) then people think, as always somehow morphed into him being a boozer.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

when asked in Red Eye where the best place to vacation is

Jonathan Toews said “not Winnipeg”. That seems fairly unlikely.

i call everyone 'bro' regardless of gender or age... which makes running into old ladies at the grocery store kind of awkward.

by boldmatter on May 16, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you know Ryan Lambert is a Homer?

So Boston gets face planted by TBL and this is his “What we Learned” comments on BOS and TBL

Boston Bruins: Tyler Seguin(notes) gets his first NHL playoff game, scores a goal, assists on the other. Maybe Julien should bench the rest of the team and see if that lights a fire under their asses, because they looked like garbage on Saturday.

Tampa Bay Lightning: There’s this saying I heard once. Something about eggs and counting them and when they hatch. I don’t really remember. Neither does Gary Shelton.

If I did not know better, I would think he was a closet Bruins fan?

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 16, 2011 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I feel like I've missed something - maybe its too subtle for me, unless you are being sarcastic?

Bruins did play like garbage, with Seguin the only one putting in the effort (good for him!) . And TBL (and Vancouver) shouldn’t get ahead of themselves – its only one game.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, sarcasm button fully depressed

Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!

by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 16, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

clearly i'm not firing on all cylinders today

There really does need to be a sarcasm button/banner for those of us who are too ridiculous to know better.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mine sarcasm banner is

Toews-makes-funny-faces

Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 16, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh I thought that was just truth

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Lambert was a Flames fan?

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by HjammerTime on May 16, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

no clue

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lambert is a flaming Bruins fan

For realz

Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 16, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is

He blogs for flames nation sometimes which was a great platform during the Olympics when he was basically jizzing red, white and blue all over the place and pissing off the Canadians.

2010: best. year. ever.

by shinkicker on May 17, 2011 7:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

and by thinking it was truth I meant the fact that

Toews does make funny faces.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

by justforkicks on May 16, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

This kind of subtlety

often fails here. I’m calling sarchasm.

We like our people!

by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2011 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arrivederci, Shee-cago!

the comment thread for Pisani just sort of morphed into a discussion about divisional realignment, and just that quickly, Fernando was forgotten by Blackhawks Nation. /shrug

But no hard feelings…McClure used the word “servicable” and I would agree… The Pope-ah gave us what he had to offer in good faith, it wasn’t a whole lot, but it did meet expectations for the most part.

by Gate3anuhHalf on May 16, 2011 6:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it's a pretty accurate indictment of Pope-ah

he was exactly what everyone expected, so no one is disappointed. And since he didn’t amaze anyone by overplaying the expectations, we’d all rather talk about something that we can actually discuss.

Sorry & thanks Pisani. Good luck with your next team.

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by ahnfire on May 16, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pope-ah, Poop, ah

I think a C is a little high for Pisani. Considering he was brough here to be a penalty killer and he never really assumed that role, I’d go a full letter down on this guy. I’m also not sure that sixteen points possibly exceeded expectations, but whatever. I won’t miss Pisani, in fact, I’ll be glad he’s gone. We can do much better than what he brought to the table.

by Tazer on May 16, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

That was COLD BLOODED!

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by HjammerTime on May 17, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

btw, both Kruger and Frolik medaled at Worlds

yay team

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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Lots of love for Niemi out there (Won every one of his playoff series)...Which brings up the question:

Which GM would you rather have, Bowman or Wilson?

Given the Crawford and Seabrook situations, I know what I think…

"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"

by Saskjet on May 17, 2011 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

There is a Seabrook situation?

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by HjammerTime on May 17, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was a Seabrook situation (delay in signing)

"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"

by Saskjet on May 17, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Reply fail, sorry

"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"

by Saskjet on May 17, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coulda been done earlier, cheaper

"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"

by Saskjet on May 17, 2011 10:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Earlier? Probably, but it wasn't absolutely necessary

Cheaper? Doubtful, that’s speculative at best. We were all frustrated about what happened with Hjalmarrson last season and its effect of the ‘Hawks having to pay $1 – $1.5 million more per season for his services than they would have had Stanbow gotten him signed before SJ’s offer sheet thus necessitating letting Niemi walk, and we’re all on edge as well about Crawford now. But IMO there’s not much of anything to complain about with how Seabrook’s contract was handled

by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im in agreement.

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by HjammerTime on May 17, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seabrook's deal was pretty approprite - and was what a lot of knowledgeable people predicted before the season

I got no problem with it

Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on May 17, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

(krome….cough…humble…cough)

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(Short sale pending)

by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

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