2010-2011 Player Evaluations: Jake Dowell
by Killion on May 17, 2011 12:30 PM CDT
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PrintAfter spreading 21 games over the previous three years, Jake Dowell got his chance to spend some a full season with the Hawks. He played in 79 games plus 2 in the playoffs. The Hawks were desperate for guys playing center and thought Dowell could fill in well on the fourth line. They also likely hoped he could fill out some size in the bottom of the roster and bring some physicality. That only sort of worked...
Contract Status: RFA - $525K Cap Hit in 2010-2011
Positives: 21 points and a +5 for Dowell is honestly more than we really expected out of the fourth liner in his first real time in the league. Especially when you factor in what our third and fourth lines looked like for most of this year. You could argue that he did also bring a good physical game to the squad - he was third among forwards in hits. He brought some extra sandpaper to the team as well. Dowell led the team in fighting majors (he had 9 - one more than John Scott). He held his own in that regard, going 4-4-1 according to the fine people at hockeyfights. He was also willing to sacrifice himself, blocking 43 shots, the most of any forward. Dowell's key area of development though was becoming a fairly solid penalty killer. He averaged 90 seconds a game on the ice shorthanded and put up solid stats throughout. You'd imagine his agent will be selling this point pretty hard.
Negatives: While 21 points is pretty good, they don't tell the full story. Dowell had 15 points in 2010 and only added another 6 in the current calendar year. Not exactly the consistency we were looking for. He didn't really excel in the physical aspect of the game either. Sure he racked up a ton of hits but do any of them really stand out? I can't remember any really. Fights are nice but at least one was pretty ill-timed and none of those stand out either. Though at least he did make Segal bleed pretty good.. Faceoffs are something to be worked on as well in the offseason... 48.9% isn't godawful but there's room for improvement.
Defining Moment: The aforementioned Segal fight. In the thick of one of the most ridiculous playoff races in memory, Bryan Bickell was a late scratch with no replacement on the roster, leaving the Hawks to dress 11 forwards for the game, one of whom was John Scott (so basically 10). Pretty good time to settle a score from the AHL, huh Jake?
Outlook: As a RFA, it'll all come down to how much he's asking for and what other options the Hawks have available. If the price is right, I'd imagine the Hawks would certainly welcome Dowell back next year. At 26, we're probably not going to see much more improvement from Dowell but he can still fill in a fourth line role. Personally, I'd like to see what he can do in that spot with actual forwards at his sides, not Scott or Hendry like we saw too often. He showed potential to be more than just a body on the fourth line and could perhaps give the Hawks some extra rest for their core players if trusted with more time. Consistency will be the question though. If it was an injury that caused his drop off in production then a full year healthy could be a welcome addition next year. If it wasn't an injury, well lets hope he can fix whatever it was that bringing him down.
Grade: C+. I feel like that may be a little harsh but I really can't justify giving him much higher. He was about what we would expect and not much more. Had he played his whole season the way he started out, it would be much higher.
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New Rule
If John Scott played in a playoff game that you were a healthy scratch for, you are not welcome back next season.
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I don't know...
I would agree except StanBo wants to have Scott play more next year. Gotta wonder about that and its effect on the roster during the Playoffs
by zortaf on May 17, 2011 12:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Roster was Q's decision during the playoffs.
Q is going to be the coach of this team next year and he quite clearly does not trust Jake Dowell being anywhere but in the pressbox when shit gets real.
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How much say does S.B. have during the regular season?
I really do wonder about the likelihood of Scott getting more ice time next season. And I do think that playoffs or regular season, when you get benched many times and then a guy like Scott goes in and plays 5mins or less, you’ve gotta end up with some morale issues.
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That could have also had to do with Dowell playing hurt
I’ve read that he may have broken his ankle when he caught a slapshot there against Columbus back at the beginning of February. That would certainly explain the sharp drop-off in his production as well as Q playing John Scott over him in the playoffs
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
so punishing someone else for Q's stupidity
I’m not saying your rule is going to oust anyone worth keeping, but you make it seem like they weren’t better options than scott. They were better options, but their coach was playing the meatball card.
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…but if Q isn’t going to trust him then why keep him around? Does he deserve getting the short end of the stick because one coach in Q doesn’t trust him? Probably not. But the reality is that Q is going to be the coach of this team and Q doesn’t trust having him out there. Not fair to Dowell, but that seems to be the reality of the situation. Why carry him on the squad if you know Q is going to sit him down when it matters, then we get stuck with some IceHog or John Scott out there in a meaningful playoff game.
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Again, I'm going to point to the possibility of an injury
If Dowell was healthy and Q still went with Scott over him, then I’d agree with you that clearly Q doesn’t trust him and it’d bad both for him and for the ‘Hawks to keep him. But if he was playing hurt, I think that’s a mitigating factor. He suited up for 79 games in the regular season, so I just have trouble with the idea that Q doesn’t trust him
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
If indeed Dowell wasn't playing due to injury then that would change the whole calculus of my thinking.
There have not been any announcements of surgery or anything can they?
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a broken ankle
as FrankStallone implied, wouldn’t require surgery would it?
/has never broken a bone
//knocks on wood
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I would all depend on the type, location and severity of the particular break
it might, it might not
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This injury would require surgery:
by K_Dog on May 18, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
at the very least, a lot of duct tape
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I can't reason with this logic
where did you read that Q doesn’t trust Dowell and Pisani?
Sure, they aren’t great players, but they’re better forwards than John Scott. Q valued scott’s “toughness” or the intimidation factor that he believed Scott brought, that’s why he was playing instead of Dowell and Pisani.
I don’t get how you see Q dressing Scott as a sign of him trusting Scott more than another forward when it was nothing more than him being a meatball and valuing toughness over skill at the forward position (for that particular game).
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I read it when I saw the lineup for game 6
I simply don’t believe Q sat Dowell in favor of Scott for the purposes of meatball-ism when the series was on the line.
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and Hack, I agree they are better forwards
But our coach isn’t going to play him so again I’d ask, why bother brining him back?
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Well
I simply don’t believe Q sat Dowell in favor of Scott for the purposes of meatball-ism when the series was on the line.
If Q trusts John Scott to play better hockey at the forward position than Jake Dowell then I’m not sure I want him to be the coach of this hockey team, which is why i don’t agree with your opinion of his logic.
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My position the whole year is that Q
was the most disappointing Hawk. I would give him a F- , a firm handshake and a good -bye.
I agree that Q had a disappointing year
but firing him would be a terrible move. He’s led the ’Hawks to a Cup and to 3 consecutive playoff berths. He had a down year but so did a lot of ’Hawks, no need to do anything rash
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
let's get something straight
I’m not advocating that Q be fired
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I didn't think you were
My response was more directed at SECORD3 who clearly is advocating that
by FrankStallone on May 18, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Shooting the messenger, so to speak?
For the cards that Q was dealt, he gets a B- from me. The B is for never organizing the 2nd line. The minus is for playing Scott at forward when he didn’t have to.
Upon further thought, maybe that should be a C+.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Scott and Hendry were both played at forward
unfortunately.
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Then what was the logic, Hack?
If he thought Dowell would have been a better player for the Hawks in that game then Dowell would have been in there.
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I already discussed the logic
John Scott had 59 seconds of TOI in Game 6. Call it what you want; intimidation factor, superstition/luck (since scott played in games 4 and 5 which resulted in hawks wins), an insurance policy in case of another blow out, etc. Whatever Q based his decision on, I’m fairly certain that it wasn’t based on hockey skill at the forward position, and the 59 seconds proves that.
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I guess were just not on the same page here.
I see it as a gross indictment of Dowell that the Hawks believed that 59 seconds of John Scott’s intimidation was worth more to the team than the few minutes Dowell would have contributed.
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this is going to go in circles
you just said it yourself
If dowell would’ve played, he would have played more minutes than scott, so the decision was a meatball decision made by Q because he valued intimidation (or whatever else) over skill.
I simply don’t believe Q sat Dowell in favor of Scott for the purposes of meatball-ism when the series was on the line.
Playing a guy for intimidation purposes in an elimination playoff game = meatball-ism
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We also got a bit off topic.
In my mind, his fate was sealed when Q sat him in favor of Scott.
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Your rule is as insane as Q.
You can’t possibly be suggesting that because Q sat Dowell in favor of 32 that somehow suggests that 32 is better. Seriously? I’m in shock if that’s what you really mean.
I’d be happy to see Jake back on this team next year with a couple of REAL 4th liners next to him. Perhaps someone with an 82 on his back and another decent fourth line guy. Let’s see how Jake does then.
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See my reply above. If the coach you have doesn't like the kid then why keep him?
If the coach was someone else who actually liked the way Dowell played, then it would be an entirely different story. Were going into the next season with the coach we have, not the coach we wished didn’t dress Jake Dowell or Fernando Pisani in place of Jake Dowell.
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*
So maybe I should have titled it…If Q is prepared to dress John Scott over you in a playoff game, then we simply cannot keep you around.
That even sounds nicer.
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Major Reply fail
The end of that comment is all fucked up.
*wished didn’t dress John Scott in favor of Dowell or Pisani.
/double tasking at work and not going well
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For a 4th line player
I thought Dowell did all right. In my opinion, the importance of depth players isn’t so much about points – any point production from the 4th line is purely an added bonus – but about the ability to put them on the ice during critical minutes without having to worry about a monumental fuck-up. Whomever the ‘Hawks employ on the 4th line doesn’t have to go out and light up the scoreboards, they merely have to be able to play down the stretch so that guys like Toews and Kane can get an additional 30-40 seconds of rest and be that much fresher when they get back on the ice. Personally, I think that Dowell fits that role and so long as he doesn’t expect anything above the minimum 110% of his previous years’ salary when the ’Hawks tender him a qualifying offer I have no qualms about bringing him back.
This
I think its really important for next season that the roster has guys who can play meaningful minutes throughout the games. Last quarter of the season the top guys (forwards) had games where they played 25/26+ minutes, they were being double shifted right off the bat, and there was definitely one, maybe more, games where the first unit was on the ice for the PP the whole 2 minutes. Not exactly conducive to keeping them guys fresh and energized. I feel like Dowell’s play took a step back towards the end of the season, but I think he could be better, and at the right price I wouldn’t mind bringing him back.
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope the right price is the league minimum.
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The right price is $605,000
That’s his qualifying number. Since he made under $600K, his qualifying number is 110% of his 2010-‘11 salary of $550K.
As far as Dowell’s play taking a step back, I read a claim on bleacher report that he’d been playing fairly hurt after taking slapshot to the ankle against Columbus on Feb. 1. That seems feasible if you consider that up to that point he had 17 points and was a plus-11, whereas for the rest of the season he was a minus-6 and only registered 4 more points. If the injury was severe enough that it really hampered his game that much, and of course management would have a much better idea of this than we fans, then that serves to further the argument in favor of bringing him back.
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
As a general rule
Don’t cite Bleacher Reports as a source for anything. Just a general rule though, not saying it wasn’t true in this instance.
I agree with that general rule
which is why I’m skeptical of the report. If it was from a reputable news source I’d trust it, but it’s from bleacher report which is why it’s iffy. On the other hand, his sudden and sever drop off in overall production does lend a little bit of credence to the theory that he was hampered by an injury.
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw his salary as $525,000 - so a QO would be $577,500
I might sit him down and tell him there’s no QO coming, but here’s a $500,000 contract – on July 1, sign it and have your agent fax it back … or have a nice life kid … whichever you choose
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I'm just going by Capgeek
and according to their figures Dowell made $550,000 and his QO is $605,000. I have no actual knowledge of any of it myself but I tend to trust the numbers on Capgeek. Either way, it’s not exactly much of a difference
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad - he was a $525 Cap Hit but the last season was a $550 salary
my prior thought stands – tell him there’s a $500k deal for him July 1
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The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I take no issue with your prior idea
although I wouldn’t be surprised to see another team sign him to an offer sheet at his $605,000 QO, but I don’t see anyone offering him more than that. If someone does sign him to an offer sheet for more there’s absolutely no way the ’Hawks should match
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Dowell cost you money in your fantasy league or something?
Not sure I understand the Dowell haters.
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feeling the same
Grade to me is borderline C+/B- based on him meeting and slightly exceeding expectations. I feel like Dowell gets alotta hate around here, but for a 4th line/pk guy, I thought he was solid.
For the right price, I’d want him back for the reasons you brought up.
by zortaf on May 17, 2011 12:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Do you really think you deserve a C+ / B- BadgerDano
I mean, what did you contribute to the team this season? How many points did you have? What about hits? Or fights?
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not really sure how much it may havee to bear
on his performance over the second half of the season, but I read somewhere that he had taken a puck off of his ankle just after the all star break and suffered a broken bone. Whether or not that is true is certainly up for speculation but may have played a roll in his second half drop in production.
For a 4th liner that started out the way he did this past season, I would have no problems about bringing him back at the minimum raise. Like Kills said, with real forwards on his sides maybe he has more to offer.
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C+ = what have you done for me lately?
The kid really fell of the cart during the season. If there was actually a good reason, then I look forward to seeing him back.
Hawks need centers, hitters, capable fighters, and PK guys.
Oh look, here’s one.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I had pronounced my fair share of scowls when i heard the name dowell (unintentional rhyme)
But I feel he might be able to fit in well, and if he was injured (wouldn’t be surprised, seems like everyone on this team was…) maybe he can play next season like he started. I guess time will tell. It’s not like he is going to be expensive by any means.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 17, 2011 1:29 PM CDT reply actions
Definitely won't be expensive
His qualifying number is $605,000, and from what he’s shown so far particularly with the late season drop-off (even if it was due to injury) he’s not likely to garner anything more than that on the open market. If the ‘Hawks tender him a qualifying offer of $605,000 there’s no reason for him not to sign.
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the QO is $577,500 (from a $525,000 salary)
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Even if he only develops a very little bit, I think he's a serviceable 4th line center
The question will be if the management would rather pay 500k or so more for a more-than-serviceable 4th line center.
You get what you pay for, and if the hawks manage their free agents right, they should be able to find the 500-700k to put some money into the 4th center.
Im most excited about Klinkhammer
Third Man in podcast with Al Cimgilia and the Ice Hogs announcer were talking him up a ton. Apparently he plays a lot of the PK.
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he came up once this season right?
if yes, how’d that go?
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't stand out from what I remembered.
I’m going off what I heard on the podcast with Cimiglia and the Hogs announcer with Block.
Those guys seem pretty plugged into things down on the farm.
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that's what I thought - I don't remember him much at all
yeah. I’m excited to see what comes out of training camp. only a (long) few months away now
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Rockford stats
he had 17 goals, 29 assists and was +14 for a pretty mediocre Rockford team in 76 games.
Apparently he missed a record amount of breakaways. Probably would have had a ton more goals.
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wow very good
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
#46
While I appreciated Dowell’s contributons this year, something struck me today. Is he really any better than Colin Fraser? I realize Fraser had an off year in Hockey’s equivalent of Siberia, (Edmonton), but i liked the way he played. Adam Fels once said, “Hockey is played by the brave, not the smart.” Not sure of the smart part, but I don’t think anyone ever questioned Colin’s machismo. like Kopecky, it seemed he relished getting punched in the face in front of the opposition’s crease.
not sure why they traded him, when at best it was a toss up between the two.
By the way, watch out for the Siberian Oilers next season.
Now, now ... there is a surprisingly significant percentage of smart hockey players
they’re crazy, of course, but smart.
The IQ curve of most hockey teams simply isn’t the bell curve most groups have – it is much more flat (a great overrepresentation of both the moron and genius ends of the spectrum).
I actually had a couple of players get into a heated argument over some of Hannibal’s strategy in fighting the Second Punic War
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Scott himself just got his degree in mechanical engineering!
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Stu Grimson is a lawyer
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It needs more cowbell.
Lawyer?
You’re not helping your case there, Krome… LOL
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stu grimnson
how does someone who was an enforcer and a lawyer, become a man of deep faith?
Stu got one thing right for sure, “Jesus was no wimp.”
Furthermore
I’ve read that hockey fans, and the key word is “collectively,” have the highest percentage of College graduates of any sport. I don’t even know what the hell the First Punic War was about.
Well that's ok
The discussion was about the 2nd one anyways
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
FYI - Second Punic War and Hannibal
After assaulting Saguntum, Hannibal surprised the Romans in 218 BC. by leading the Iberians, and three dozen elephants through the Alps. This move had a double edged effect. Although Hannibal surprised the Romans and thoroughly beat them on the battlefields of Italy, he lost his only siege engines and most of his elephants to the cold temperatures and icy mountain paths. In the end it allowed him to defeat the Romans in the field, but not in the strategically crucial city of Rome itself, thus making him unable to win the war.
Hannibal defeated the Roman legions in several major engagements, including the Battle of the Trebia, the Battle of Lake Trasimene and most famously at the Battle of Cannae, but his long-term strategy failed. Lacking siege engines and sufficient manpower to take the city of Rome itself, he had planned to turn the Italian allies against Rome and starve the city out through a siege. However, with the exception of a few of the southern city-states, the majority of the Roman allies remained loyal and continued to fight alongside Rome, despite Hannibal’s near-invincible army devastating the Italian countryside. Rome also exhibited an impressive ability to draft army after army of conscripts after each crushing defeat by Hannibal, allowing them to recover from the defeats at Cannae and elsewhere and keep Hannibal cut off from aid.
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The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
by krome on May 17, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this needs to be green'd
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by LanceFister3 on May 17, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I would only add
That another reason that Hannibal won the battle but eventually lost the war was because his army was made up of a lot of irregulars and mercenaries, while the Roman Legions were primarily citizens from the Republic itself – big difference IMHO. And I believe they rectified their strategic decision in Cannae in later engagements. Most of this information I’ve gleaned from Victor Davis Hansen’s books on the battles.
Wow...
Well, it looked cool. Where does one utilize this historical knowledge in the working world? Over 2,200 yrs ago and I have trouble memorizing early 20th century history.
Just win the next game...!
People still read Sun-Tzu's "Art of War" to learn military strategy
I use principles from it in work strategizing. A good understanding of the well written old military histories can be applied to many present endeavors – like coaching a hockey team.
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The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I think The Little Prince is more applicable
Or at least when it comes to today’s political and business worlds. Sad, but all too true.
Hockey is a long time prep school sport, along with its blue collar allure
so you’d get a strange mix of very wealthy sorts with kids headed to Ivy League or other top notch places and blue collar kids (although the folks tended to be decent income trade blue collar).
A very high percentage of ADD kids too – I had as much as a 1/3 of the team on Ritallin (and a couple more should have been)
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The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Ritalin is pretty, Ritalin is good.
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at best it was a toss up between the two.
Let’s see, Fraser didn’t was often a healthy scratch toward the end of the year and barely played in the playoffs (yeah, sounds a lot like Dowell). But at $700k Fraser was already making about 40% more than Dowell got and Fraser was still due an automatic raise.
He signed in Edmo for about $825k. So basically the Hawks could almost pay two guys for the price they were paying for a guy lucky to be playing in the NHL – like most 4th liners. No brainer.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 17, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
CHUMP CHANGE
I see your point. In my “general” assessment, I just liked Fraser a bit more. couldn’t put my finger on any solid measuring stick, I just liked the way he played hockey.
I guess hundreds of thousands of dollars do turn out mattering even though most of the attention focuses on the multimillion dollar contracts.
ahnfire’s stats pretty well summarize the two players contributions. Dowell was better with his fists also.
I had the same thought, about Dowell vs Fraser
so I decided to compare the stats, 2010-11 Dowell versus 2009-10 Fraser. I chose last year Fraser (as opposed to his banishment this year to Edm) because I was wondering if Dowell was (statistically) an upgrade.
2009-10 Frazzle Stats GP 70 G 7 A 12 PT 19 +/- 6 PIM 44 PP 0 SH 0 GW 0 S 92 S% 7.6
2010-11 Dowell Stats GP 79 G 6 A 15 PT 21 +/- 5 PIM 63 PP 0 SH 0 GW 0 S 74 S% 8.1
As for the playoffs, Dowell played in 2 playoff games & only had 1S while Fraz played in 3 playoff games w/1S as well.
To me, it seems like a push stats-wise, although I give a slight edge to Dowell, since last year’s team’s depth was so much better. Both are the same age, but Dowell is a lot cheaper at 525K than Frazzle was at 700K.
So in the end, I think it worked out with Dowell, although there is always room for improvement. I wouldn’t mind having him back for cheap- there’s only so much you can expect from a fourth line center, although I do think he could be a serviceable pivot for a checking line at some point. And hell, he’s better at FOs than Bolland. Not that it’s really that difficult to be better at FOs than Bolly…
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Isn't Jack not feeling well.....
and he is getting tested for a serious disease that has already attacked his brother and his dad?
He did fade ….at the end otherwise he had a very good year…wasn’t there a brew-ha here about him being the 2nd line center?
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Apparently Jake is getting tested for it soon, according to Chris Block. Best wishes to Jake in that regard.
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amen
i generally try not to let off-ice stuff interfere with who I think the team should keep, but Dowell’s got such a hard luck story (father and brother suffering from Huntington’s) that i’m pulling for the guy.
He can play some PK, deliver some hits, and he isn’t a moron in his own end.
We like our people!
It's a terrible disease
I give the man all the credit in the world for getting tested – hard to do that knowing what may come from it.
the 2nd line center thing
was specifically in contrast to the concept of having kopecky play 2nd line center.
I think the whole conversation needs to get a pass via the “hammered out of our minds” exception, rule 46a. I mean, we were looking at kopecky for 2nd line center.
His father is dying incredibly slowly and painfully
of Huntingtons and his brothers is getting worse. Jake doesn’t know if he has it yet. idk if that’s the reason for his fade or not though.
i call everyone 'bro' regardless of gender or age... which makes running into old ladies at the grocery store kind of awkward.
I've posted here before
that my best friend’s mother had Huntington’s. She knew she was getting sick which is why my friend was adopted. It was heartbreaking watching her waste away and completely lose the ability to control her motions.
My best to Jake and his family.
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
Former Hawk and Bruin legend Phil Esposito does not care about the Boston Bruins!
“Boston Bruins legend Phil Esposito “could give one damn about Boston,” and that “Tampa Bay is my home. The Lightning are like my child. I gave birth to it. It took everything I had physically and probably mentally.”
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Well, Phil was one of the Founding Fathers there as to the Tampa Bay Lightning
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
i enjoy this quote
love to see the reaction in Beantown (yeah- that’s what I called it. I’m sorry Boston, what was that? You don’t like that nickname anymore? Fuck you.)
We like our people!
Love how Scott has been the measuring stick for alot of players
…….. have we ever seen a player do so much by doing so little on the ice?
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
Vishnevsky to Russia?
Anyone heard anything about this? If thats true, the Hawks will have lost 2 prospects the last 2 weeks. Its almost like they dont like Rockford!
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by HjammerTime on May 17, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Anything to cut down on the 50 contract limit that Stan seems so intent on dry humping
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
Did Leddy make him expendable or something? Too many puck movers?
I was under the impression that guy had a future with the Hawks.
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I would tend to think so
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
There is something real wrong in Rockford...
And I don’t necessarily think it’s talent. I went to 2 games last year, and it looked like players did not want to leave the bench. – Small sample size, I know but – that team needs an enema!
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
Who was the first prospect they "lost"?
I didn’t hear about this…
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Olimb is going back to Sweden, but I don't if thats official.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
I read that he signed a contract with Frölunda HC
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats what Block was reporting as fact.
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That's what it says on Wikipedia
2 years, apparently.
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Chris Block
On Twitter said that Danny Grouix bolted to the KHl as well.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
I had no idea Danny Grouix existed.
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Hi loss will be
oh! mesquite flavored m&m’s.
Oh Danny Grouix, the pipes, the pipes are calling...
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
They run vodka through pipes now?
them Ruskies are innovative, aren’t they?
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
They also lost Kyle Hagel to the Blues.
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sounds like a disease
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Well
They can enjoy their no guarantee contracts over in the KHL.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
They aren't necessarily going to the KHL
Olimb, for example, signed with Frölunda HC of the Swedish Elite League. I don’t have any idea though what sort of guarantees contracts have in that league, nor do I have any idea where Vishnevsky might be going although the KHL would make sense if he wants to go home…
by FrankStallone on May 17, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
It was reported
That two Blackhawks prospects signed with the KHL.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
This was the year
for Jake Dowell to start strong and gradually build and solidify his role as a good fourth line center who will consistently tick off 40 seconds on most PKs. Instead, he started strong and gradually faded, and the C+ issued by Kills seems fair to me.
A hidden injury in Feb doesn’t explain November, December, and January. But it does give him a legitimate reason to request a Mulligan next season, and I’m not ready to give up on him yet. I’d offer him one at the minimum increase and tell him that 2011-12 needs to be the season where he starts strong, gradually builds, you know the rest.
Sassone seems pretty sure the Red Wings won't be leaving the Western Conference
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/5693
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That was a really good discussion
Just wanted to point out that I enjoyed reading the Wings East/West realignment discussion.
Dowell played in 79 games???
I was surprised when I read that it was that many. And I guess that pretty much says what his value to the team is: I just didn’t notice him much. And when his defining moment is an ill-timed fight, that doesn’t say much for him either.
I guess he’s serviceable, cheap, and will make something good happen once in a while. That IS pretty much a fourth liner isn’t it? (Although, as I read that back, it kind of sounds like an ugly hooker or something. Not that I would know anything about that…)
Anyone but Vancouver.
is it just me
or did ryan johnson just make dowell pretty much obsolete? i mean, the guy is one of 2 people who can win faceoffs consistently, right? assuming we don’t go for a real 2nd line center, and unless bolly is bumped to 2nd line, isn’t dowell the guy left on the fringe?
its not that i think dowell sucks, but i thought johnson clearly took over that 4th line center slot with his performance at the dot.
Johnson isn't a long term solution IMO
and will cost more.
Dowell could very well be a solution for some time if he gets his game together and plays consistently well, which he could do.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 17, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, he would probably cost less.
Is there ever a “solution” to 4th line centers?
Dowell is in line for a mandatory raise also, right? So isn’t it possible that Dowell could be like 100k more expensive?
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Johnson was $50k less last year - and is a UFA (so no QO 10% raise required)
I don’t see other teams beating down the door for either of them
Between the two, I sorta liked Ryan Johnson better, but he is on the downside while Dowell may still ham a little upside to him
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
you are right
I thought his salary was higher.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 17, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
i think so to about Johnson
his ability to win the draw, when we sorely needed it, meant he was out a lot even just to win the draws and then skate off ice once it was out of the zone. If Dowell can improve his overall play and face off skills (not sure what his average was actually) he’s the better option even just because of Johnson’s injury history. But this season at least, we needed someone to win the puck, especially at the end, and Dowell was not the one that did it.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
as much as I like RJ17
I get the feeling he’ll become Sopel-as-a-forward, with the bucket of parts & all.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
It's the glass ankles, right?
Seriously – great kid, but not likely to make it through the season intact.
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
Did anyone else see the tweet that got Dan Carcillo suspended?
Absolutely gross.
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I thought the suspension was because of his actions during game 4?
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Its seems there was an off ice incident, but several blogs seem to be suggesting that that Tweet had something to do with it.
I just wish BizNasty would have answered the question.
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it was both
it was in the locker area by officals room and on way out to ice is what pd put in article
just saw the tweet and it is indeed gross and disgusting
I’ve mostly seen the on ice/off ice issues being the reason of the suspension though. I’m sure the Flyers are devastated that he’s (if they keep not) not playing the first to games of the season /sarcasm
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The guy appears to be as big a douchenozzle off ice as on ice
that’s sort of unusual for hockey players
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
not surprised with carcillo
He does that shit where he skates by you and tries make you flinch, you know that ‘fake-out-like-im-gonna-do-something’ movement. You have to be a complete anus to do that.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 17, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It certainly seemed ill-advised for someone in the public eye
but, to be honest, it didn’t really bother me. (I admit, this might be a character flaw of mine.) I was amused by the twitter-wide “OMG WHAT JUST HAPPENED”, and found Carcillo’s follow-up tweet hilarious.
can someone point me in the direction of this tweet?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 17, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
i think i found it
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 17, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He deleted it not too long after
But screencaps of it are still floating around. It’s directed @BizNasty2Point0, if that helps.
the yahoo article links to another site that has the screencap i believe
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by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
no
but i just read the strangest, most tantalizing and cryptic thread on the subject.
if anyone would care to enlighten me (and other baffled parties, if any) on the verbiage of the tweet and relevant surrounding details (e.g. off-ice incident) i would appreciate it.
We like our people!
hah
The off ice incident leading to the 2 game suspension in the upcoming season:
Between the first and second period, while off ice and outside the officials’ locker room, Mr. Carcillo engaged in aggressive behavior and inappropriate conduct directed at the officials
The tweet, which you can read for yourself.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
danke
one.sick.puppy
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Seguin certainly having a good series
And now up 3-2
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My well of hatred for the Bruins runs surprisingly deep
Then again, I certainly have no love for the Bolts. I’m not even sure why I’m watching. There really isn’t a result I’m going to be happy with tonight (or in this series).
Fair enough - I just want a team in the EC to win the Cup over a team in the West.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
All of the choices are pirric
Seriously — the EC wins and you hear all the wags talking about the superiority of the EC, all the stars play there blah blah blah. The WC wins and it’s either….. ugh, I don’t want to think about it, let alone type it.
Can we just skip to July 1 already?
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
Well yeah, I don't particularly want any of the teams that win
but I certainly don’t want Vancouver winning it and the Sharks winning means we’d have to hear all about how we shouldn’t have let Nemo go – which I can definitely do without.
Would love for it to just be time for training camp already.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought about that
But I really don’t want to skip summertime :p
Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?
true - how could i forget summertime!?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 17, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
In the summertime...
Life’s for livin’ yeah, that’s our philosophy.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on May 17, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Since I'm already being a contrarian tonight...
I’d be perfectly fine with skipping summer. I really can’t stand warm weather. (Seriously.) Bring on October!
Apparently Boston doesn't want to hold their lead
given the penalties they keep taking
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
Shouldn't that play have been called down as soon as his helmet came off?
Pretty unfortunate considering the puck went in the net off of Thomas’ face
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
not always
Thomas’ mask coming off only results in an immediate stoppage in play if the Bruins have control of the puck and/or a scoring chance isn’t imminent, IIRC. They went through the whole thing earlier in the playoffs over Boucher taking off his mask in one of the Philly series, Seeing as Tampa had the puck and scoring chances were totally imminent, play continues.
Like you said though, tough fucking luck cause that looked like it hurt.
i call everyone 'bro' regardless of gender or age... which makes running into old ladies at the grocery store kind of awkward.
oh ok that makes sense.
yeah he was bleeding too. Definitely tough luck.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 18, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I figured the bleeding came from getting hit inthe face with the puck on the bank shot
Thomas is likely a little peeved with his D from last night, although the team did pull of the win
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Yeah it was from that actually
As well he should be. They had a 3 goal lead and by the end came seriously close to pissing the game away.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 18, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
With running him over and bouncing pucks into (or near) the net, the D was shaky in front of him
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Yup shaky and sloppy
On the forward front though, the line with Seguin had a combined 8 points, and in 2 games Seguin has 6 points (3G, 3A). Pretty awesome for him.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 18, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Off Topic:
Can’t believe the Blackhawks site is making me choose between Toews and Craw for team MVP!
if the team only gets one team MVP, you end up having to pick one
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I think I'm going with Crawford on this one
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by justforkicks on May 18, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Dowell
Echo the comments here that at the right minimum (qualifying as max, please?) price, it’d be worth seeing Dowell play with actual 4th liners, rather than with collections of spare parts and particularly hominid-like apes like Pisani, Scott, Hendry, et al. There’s enough there to warrant a real shot.
Can’t imagine Doug Wilson is going to mess this one up for us.
As long as SB doesn't tell the world he's not afraid of offer sheets.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
if we get offer-sheet'd again
I’m going to assume that StanBow is a really annoying pain-in-the-ass toward other GMs, which is why they pick on him.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
If Doug Wilson wants to give Dowell an offer sheet
for $14 million over 4 years, I have no issues there – good for Jake. I just hope that Stanbow wouldn’t be stupid enough to exercise his right to match…
by FrankStallone on May 18, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually worry about a Crawford offer sheet.
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by HjammerTime on May 18, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
The prospect of a Crawford offer sheet
is definitely nerve wracking. That’s why I prefer to not even think about it.
$ 18 million over 4 Years from Western Conference GM
Means Halak is your new goalie and Stan learns to keep his mouth shut?
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on May 18, 2011 12:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Philly has a lot of options....options that won't involve giving up Draft Picks
Ilya Bryzgalov….Thomas Vokoun….Luongo or Schnieder?
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Schneider has anothr year left onhis contract - he isn't a free agent yet
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I know, I was thinking more along the lines of a trade.
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I don't think he'll get screwed over twice
My impression is that what Wilson did was perfectly legal, but kind of a big no – no among the cloisetered world of NHL GM’s. Could be wrong, but it definitely surprised the rest of the league, at least if rumors are to be believed.
Was it a no-no when the Hawks signed Keith Tkachuk?
I wasn’t under the impression there was any kind of code.
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It doesn't appear to happen often
Or at least concerning players with less than four years in the league – can’t find any stats to back it up, though.
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