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2010 - 2011 Player Evaluations: Ryan Johnson

Based on meatball logic, the Hawks lost to the Canucks this year because Ryan Johnson was here and not in Vancouver.

It should say a lot about the Hawks season that Ryan Johnson was signed off the street part-way through the season to a minor-league tryout deal after his feet fell off last season, and was then asked to contribute key minutes down the stretch and into the playoffs. While Johnson did all he could, what he could do was severely limited, and that he was asked to do more was management's fault, not his. Anyone picking up on a theme here?

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Ryan Johnson

#17 / Center / Chicago Blackhawks

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Jun 14, 1976



GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2010 - Ryan Johnson 34 1 5 6 -2 8 0 0 1 25

 

Contract Status: Unrestricted Free Agent (2010-2011 Cap Hit: $500,000)

 

Positives: When Johnson joined the team in mid-December, things were pretty well in disarray throughout the roster, and the Hawks, outside of Jonathan Toews, were abhorrent on draws. Johnson added a bit of speed that the bottom six was sorely lacking, as well as being aces on draws. Johnson was excellent at the dot, winning 63.1 of his faceoffs taken, which would have led the league were he able to keep that pace up for an entire season. And when everyone was healthy and Q allowed them to stay together for more than a shift and a half, Johnson formed a very nice bum-slaying unit with Tomas Kopecky and Viktor Stalberg, which on paper should have in no way worked, but did in spite of itself. Johnson was also a solid penalty killer, second among Hawk forwards who played more than a minute a game shorthanded behind Jake Dowell with only 5.04 goals allowed per 60 minutes of penalty time killed.

Negatives: There was clearly a reason Johnson was signed off the street. A career fourth-liner, Johnson was, is, and always will be highly limited in his offensive abilities, with countless plays dying on or near the tape of his stick blade. And though he was swift enough in his skating, he was rivaling Kopecky for most unprovoked spills taken by the end of the season. Full-speed turns seemed especially difficult for Johnson, but after having surgery on both feet last off season, it kinda makes sense. And when not with Kopecky and Stalberg, Johnson was saddled with the likes of John Scott or Marcus Kruger, severely mitigating the miniscule offensive production Johnson was capable of.

Defining Moment: Late in the season, Johnson lost a chunk of his ear to noted dickhole Todd Bertuzzi and his flying elbow. Skating with his head down to draw that major penalty and Bertuzzi's resultant ejection was about as great an offensive contribution as Johnson was capable of making.

 

Outlook: Though RJ was a decent find, the Hawks should count themselves as lucky he was as productive at the dot and as healthy as he was this season. He'll be 35 before the start of this coming season, and there are younger, healthier, more offensively capable options out there, or even in-house. Bringing him back wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but if he's dressing regularly and relied upon as much as he was this year, then the Hawks are once again going to be behind it. Having a decent draw man further up in the depth chart would be helpful.

Final Grade: C+. Again, though the Hawks got more out of him than they had any right to, Johnson's game is extremely limited, and getting as much time as he did in the situations he did this year will expose those limits. And while some will want to trot out the faceoff and PK numbers in his defense lobbying for a higher mark, they should ask themselves which of those draws was an important win, or when the PK ever got a stop it needed thanks to Johnson?

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Record it in the could have been worse file ...

In a season of disappointments, Johnson managed not to be one. However, I’ll be automatically disappointed if he’s brought back next year.

Kinda related: While I appreciate its effect on a game, is anybody else a little tired of the significance put on face off wins? Sometimes I get the feeling stat junkies and broadcasters bring it up so much because its one of the more easily measured statistic that most people don’t think to look up. Face offs have always struck me as one of the stats that probably evens out over the course of a season.

by Billy Charlesbois on May 19, 2011 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

This has been debated multiple times

You can still play a puck possession game and be mediocre/bad at face-offs (see: Any Penguins team and the ‘08-09 Blackhawks). Ultimately, if you’re going to be bad at face-offs, you better have some really good forecheckers/puck pursuers. That’s kind of where this Hawk team lacked.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

It just helps a ton to control the puck off the draw. I agree the Hawks forecheck was not very potent this season. That’s where Ladd and Eager could have been useful. Say what you will about Eager, he was always flying down the ice and into the corners. Even if he didn’t get the puck, he finished the hit.

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think faceoff wins are overstated

An offensive zone faceoff has a decently high chance of leading directly to a scoring chance. Likewise, a team that loses most of a power-play’s initial faceoff have 10-20 seconds chopped off their power play time, so they experience as much as a 16% drop in PP time spent in the offensive zone.

by oregon_hawk on May 19, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

But that's the point re: Johnson

He’s never going to be out there on the power play, so while the number might be impressive, it’s ultimately hollow.

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by McClure on May 19, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, regarding Johnson, yes

But I meant faceoff wins in general.

I liked him as a PKer, as a faceoff guy, and in general, but I agree with the OP and most of the sentiment here in the comments… the hawks should be able to do better. Having him as a depth center (i.e., #5) wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.

by oregon_hawk on May 19, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm speaking in general, not just for Johnson ...

Although I acknowledge that they are important game to game, I feel like most teams are probably always going to hover around 50% for the season, kinda like bad calls by the ref. I realize, unlike bad calls, the players’ skill is a big part of it, so its not completely analagous. I mean, what was the difference between the teams that were worst and best in faceoff wins this year? Is it really that staggering? Do their records indicate that it had a big impact? I realize we wouldn’t be controlling for other factors, but it at least would give some indication, especially if there were multiple years examined.

by Billy Charlesbois on May 19, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Teams hover around 50% because very few will ever have more than 2 really talented faceoff guys. You trot two others out there for even 30/40% of a game’s draw, and their losses even things out. Plus, faceoff percentages will be poorer on the road due to the rules. That’s where the evenness comes from, I think.

But a team that consistently controls the puck off the draw after crucial d-zone and o-zone faceoffs … they’ll more consistently generate scoring chances or get the puck out of their own zone.

That’s my take. I think they’re key over the long haul, especially inside the blue lines.

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by ChicoMaki on May 19, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depth Center #5

Take your pick: Dowell or Johnson. You can’t bring back both.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is death an option?

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by McClure on May 19, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

I was trying to make a statement about the reaction to Dowell and Johnson’s evaluations. Seems like everyone liked Dowell enough to bring him back if he was cheap. Now people are saying the same about Johnson. Can’t have it both ways. Otherwise, that’s another $1.2 million wasted on two guys when one would be better.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck it. Send em' both packing.

1.2 can be better spent elsewhere!!

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by Tuke on May 19, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha! Was waiting for that

Obscure mancrushes aside, I would rather use the combination cost of the two to get a reliable center regardless of who he is.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or............ for 1.2 we could get not 1 but 2 Jack Skilles!!!!

Anyone,…….Anyone……….

Sound of Crickets chirping.

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by Tuke on May 19, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is there any chance that StanBo will go after Reasoner after inexplicably trading him?

Isn’t that admitting mistakes, which these Hawks are loathe to do?

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrote it the day the season ended.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness though

I don’t think many Hawk fans remember his name or that he was even part of the organization for StanBo and co. to really worry about admitting a mistake.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why you guys should make it known!

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would imagine

PR geniuses like Jay Blunk and J-Mc could spin it a thousand different ways to quell the masses (should they need quelling). Bottom line, if they really want him, they’ll get him. Trading him last summer and facing the question “Why did you trade him?” won’t stop that from happening.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Raises hand

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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 19, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha

i was gonna point out the downside of signing Reasoner, viz.: a preening CNS.

but, you’re gonna preen regardless, right?

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by cliffkoroll on May 19, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I felt left out

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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 19, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.

by snibbodmot on May 19, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this true?
because its one of the more easily measured statistic

I recall a fairly detailed discussion here about how faceoffs wins/losses are, in fact, calculated — and no one could really define it. I would still love to see a definition.

Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?

by hawkeytalk on May 19, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is actually surprisingly difficult to determine about 20 percent of the time

everyone can tell teh fairly clean wins/losses – but a lot of draws are slightly inconclusive

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by krome on May 19, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

And a loss

can lead to a far more valuable turnover, correct? This is part of the conundrum.

Is a Sedin trying to say something from Dave Bolland's back pocket?

by hawkeytalk on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

there are a handful of important face-offs per game.

also, the stat doesn’t distinguish a “clean win” (in which the puck can be moved quickly, creating a scoring chance or clearing opportunity), and the significant percentage of face-offs that end in scrums.

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by cliffkoroll on May 19, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

automatically disappointed if he's brought back next year?

Why? I’d gladly have Johnson back at league minimum, even if only to sit in the press box most games.

Face off wins are significant, teams with good penalty kills win defensive zone faceoffs and clear the puck, simple as that.

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by Detroit Must Die on May 19, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just for kicks I ran a correlation score

comparing the league standings ranking for this regular season to the teams’ standings by FO percentage. Excel says that those two rankings have a positive correlation of .37. That’s moderate as correlations go.

VAN finished first in both and EDM last in both, and five of the league’s eight 100-point squads are clustered at the top of the 30-team ranking by FO pct. But on the other hand TBL and PHI each finished over 100 points despite being dead center in the league in FO, and PIT ranked 21st in FO but racked up 106 points, and ANA ended up with 99 points despite being 26th in FO pct. Also BUF made the playoffs despite being 27th in FO pct. Looks like it’s one factor in how much a team wins but not an enormous one. Doesn’t leave me feeling like Johnson’s excellent success at the dot justifies his other weaknesses.

by Paul the Fossil on May 19, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would bump him up to b-

based on how he played considering his potential. he pretty much did as much as he could’ve been asked to. i love seeing bum slaying 4th lines, so i would’ve gone into the b range for him. because honestly. at least someone not named toews was winning faceoffs and not just giving the puck up right off the bat.

& billy, i am in the camp that faceoff wins are more important than most realize. i don’t look at it as a stat, but more of a sort of barometer of offensive/defensive ability. and since we we were pretty bad in the dot, our puck possession game suffered this year.

unless we start shoring up the center position, i actually wouldn’t mind seeing him back. the dude is dirt cheap and played well last year.

by Raditzzzz on May 19, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed with the first paragraph

I am not a fan of bringing him back next year. Lightning will not strike twice for us with him. Thanks RJ, and let’s move on.

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by hawkeytalk on May 19, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

He stepped in a did a good job.

He even managed to stay relevant, which John Madden couldn’t. He also got Jake Dowell out of our lives.

Charlesbois hit it on the head. In a season of disappointments, Johnson managed to get his shit done.

Grade: B

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Madden may have been irrelevant in Minny,

but if he had stayed a Hawk, you know he sees quite a bit of time centering the 2nd line throughout the season.

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by Tuke on May 19, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

With Bolly out, you know Madden would have centered the 2nd

more than anybody else they had doing it

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by Tuke on May 19, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would have still just been Kopecky right?

I have a hard time believing they would play Madden with Hossa.

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Q was so strapped he would have tried anything at that time,

I mean he had Kruger there for a bit, and I gotta’ believe that he would have favored a true center playing there than a winger just filling in.

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by Tuke on May 19, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he gave Kruger the chance,

I gotta believe he would have at least tried Madden for a stretch. Dowell and Madden aren’t really a fair comparison as one is a rookie with very little experience and the other is a veteran with how many Stanley Cups to his credit? But I digress as this is a rather pointless debate.

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by Tuke on May 19, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kruger is an offensive player in nature, therefore it made sense to put him with the skill guys.

Dowell and Madden are checkers, grinders. They would not fit well at all on a line with the talent.

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

Madden centered the Hawks 2nd line on occasion when he was here.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, that was primarily in the 1st half of the season, I think.

Maybe I’m recalling this all wrong, but the 2nd half be pretty much disappeared to the 4th line after his production feel way way down. After the downfall last season, it seems unlikely Q would have given him a promotion this season.

But when it comes to Q I guess nobody really has any idea what’s going on upstairs.

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

This will likely be another short thread, so I'll toss these here...

CNS, an equal opportunity hater.

I doubt the FBI will be looking, but just in case….

Stop me if you’ve seen this before…

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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 19, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Poor Joe Pavelski

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a thing for role players who play their role well, so...

I’d give him a B+ if we’re grading on expectation. Dude made literally the minimum salary, and allowed Toews to not have to take every single big defensive zone draw. Given our center depth, and the unlikelihood of a significant upgrade coming this season, I would be fine with bringing him back for the minimum, if only as a face-off, get-off guy.

I’d rather have Belanger or Reasoner in the “old guy who can win face-offs and play good defense on the 3rd or 4th line” role, but they cost $750k and $1.2m this year.

by zacked on May 19, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

um

our ‘center depth’ was a huge problem this season, and I personally think it would be a huge mistake for Bowman to not find an upgrade for the #4 center this offseason (as well as the #2 center).

As to the last bit… you get what you pay for.

by oregon_hawk on May 19, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was curious as to how Balls would be graded.

Haven’t watched him through the season, but that’s Johnson for you in a nutshell. Wins faceoffs, willing to do dirty work, blocks shots like a mofo, shoots the puck like he has a Nerf golf club instead of a hockey stick.

You could do much worse than Balls, but if he’s anywhere above the 4th line in terms of salary or playing time then something went seriously wrong.

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by jwolf0 on May 19, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Role players have a unique place in pro sports ...

when you have a winning team, it’s easy to love them (see adam burish); when you have a losing team, it’s frustrating to think they’re taking a roster spot that could be given to somebody who could contribute more. With the salary cap situation and the rise and fall of the Chicago Black-Ice Hogs, it’s easy to understand why Johnson was the right guy at the right time. It would be disconcerting if the Hawks can’t find somebody with more potential to take that spot.

by Billy Charlesbois on May 19, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

So would the consensus then be

You’d love to keep him, but you’re not sure you should?

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by jwolf0 on May 19, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

As tight as the Hawks are still with the cap

and as much of a surprise that he was able to do what he did, I still can’t see giving half a mil and a roster spot to him when there are other options in Rock Vegas and through FA

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by Tuke on May 19, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

regarding the cap

I don’t think we are so tight that it is out of the question to spend more in the #4 center spot. That being said, I think spending more on RJ17 in the #4 spot would be a mistake.

The cap situation depends greatly on our RFAs, and how much bowman spends/decides not to spend to bring them back.

by oregon_hawk on May 19, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

With approximately 10 mil to spend across the board

if I HAD to choose one or the other, I go with Dowell. He started the season strong and still put up numbers comparable to what Madden gave us the previous year as a 4th line plugger. It is still to be determined whether or not an injury caused Dowell’s drop in production as I have read that he suffered a broken bone in his ankle after the all star break, which kind of makes sense as that is when is game went south. Of course this is only if I HAD to choose one.

The Hawks may not be in near as much trouble cap wise as they were the previous year, it is still tight and money needs to be spent wisely. If it is done correctly and no other outrageous offers are tendered SB should be able to keep who he wants and sign a solid center and winger.

No worries, this was the plan all along!

by Tuke on May 19, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know where you got your numbers

But the reality is the hawks have closer to 14-15 million to spend this offseason with the cap expected to surpass 63 million for next season. I cannot see how signing a guy who has his uses to a league minimum contract for the purposes of filling out the taxi crew is a bad idea idea at all. Again, I’d take RyJo back next year for 500,000 in a heartbeat.

Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.

by Detroit Must Die on May 19, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minimum salary will be $525k

And I highly doubt Johnson will want to sign in a place where he’ll be the 19th or 20th forward.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What other team

is closer to his family, though?

I’m not advocating for his return, but with both a father and a brother who are declining in health, he may prefer to make the league minimum close to home.

by transienthawk on May 19, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ack, sorry.

I was thinking of Dowell.

Ignore that.

by transienthawk on May 19, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know the free agent market is skinny this year

but i seriously wonder what kind of market there would be for the guy. If he can get more money and playing time elsewhere then more power to him, all I’m saying is I’d gladly have him back for the right price.

Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.

by Detroit Must Die on May 19, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jesse giving Johnson a 60% chance of being back

pretty much guarantees he won’t be.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think his brouwer percentage is low

citing the emergence or morin, kruger, and smith as partial reasoning (trade being the primary reason). Are the Hawks really going to have a top 6 next year that’s completely devoid of power forwards?

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by Hack on May 19, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah there's a lot of Jesse opinion in there

which makes the majority of it very wrong.

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by El Duque's Raft on May 19, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

What about assessment on Crawford?

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on May 19, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL NM

My question has been answered.

This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.

by derlemke on May 19, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jordan Hendy at 50 seems high.

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by HjammerTime on May 19, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a good thing this Johnson worked out fairly well for us

if the team had acquired a non-functional Johnson 2 years in a row, we’d need to get some new sponsorships (like Viagra? or Cialis?).

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by krome on May 19, 2011 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Johnson's season contribution

would have been better if he had yelled louder at Campoli to pass the puck.
God knows Rogers arena was dead quiet at the time

by Canuckslicknutsak on May 19, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

CRAWFORD!!!
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Crawsome news! The Blackhawks have agreed to terms on a three-year deal with Corey Crawford! http://bit.ly/mxw2TT

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by boldmatter on May 19, 2011 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

any idea of numbers?

3 years, any mention of salary or cap hit?

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by Detroit Must Die on May 19, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

no mentions on the twitters

just that they signed a 3 year deal. I’m stoked on Crow coming back but I really hope it’s for a reasonable amount.

i call everyone 'bro' regardless of gender or age... which makes running into old ladies at the grocery store kind of awkward.

by boldmatter on May 19, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard it was a 8 mil deal

3.25/2.25/2.5

no sources to back that up though.

by putmeinthemadhouse on May 19, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can continue this convo in the

Crawford gets an extension! thread. The details of the deal are being discussed there, since I’m too lazy to repost everything people are saying over here :)

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by ahnfire on May 19, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good for you

Assuming it’s not an outrageous amount, great move for the Hawks.

Unless we meet (again) in the playoffs, then boo.

Work hard, play harder, rest easy.

by jwolf0 on May 19, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, that can't be right - who'd give up a valuable torn puck bag for Eager?

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