2010-2011 Player Evaluations: Michael Frolik
by SamFels on May 23, 2011 10:53 AM CDT
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PrintFrolik was certainly not a name we had heard that was a possibility as an acquisition. He didn't seem to fit the criteria of what the Hawks said they were looking for. He wasn't big, he's wasn't known to be physical, and he wasn't a center. Then they said he was a center. Then he said he wasn't. Then they played him at center. Then that didn't work. Then he moved back to wing. That kind of worked. Then Dave Bolland showed up. That really worked. But it was only for four games. So do we have any idea what we have here? Kinda. Maybe. What we do know, we think, maybe, is that we should find out more. So that there can be no doubt. Maybe.
Well, if nothing else he certainly adds to The Handsome Brigade on the Hawks.
Contract Status: Restricted Free-Agent, not arbitration eligible, requiring a qualifying offer of 803K
Positives: A few, to be sure. Frolik was never short on confidence (also a problem), and displayed a pretty nifty pair of hands. Good skater as well, and his hockey IQ, at least in the defensive area, was pretty above standard as well. Never shrunk from the scene in the playoffs, even as he was getting ragdolled left and right by the Canucks defense. The chemistry he immediately struck up with Dave Bolland has a lot of us pretty excited, but we'll try and keep in mind it was only four games. Even if they start next year together, how long before Q breaks them up?
Negatives: Well, it didn't help that for a majority of his time here so far he's been bounced all over the lineup, at both wing positions and at center -- which he isn't cut out for at this point in his career. But Fro also had some warts. His season-long scoring drought (part of which can be attributed to just the bad luck of his shooting % dropping from 10% his first two years in Florida down to 4% this year) clearly caused him to press, as he could be counted on to shoot from anywhere at anytime, often weakly, sending his percentage even more down the toilet. Couldn't win a draw, and sometimes was just physically over-matched in the middle. And oh yeah, the repeated times he went "Splat" after a hit.
Defining Moment: Only one contender here:
Outlook: It's pretty simple, you don't really give up on 23-year old forwards who already have two 20-goal seasons to their name. And unless his contract demands get utterly silly, it's unlikely the Hawks will. Again, we only have the smallest of sample sizes, but Frolik looks like he could find a real home on a 3rd line the way the Hawks like to have a 3rd line: defensively responsible but able to threaten as well. It's where Martin Havlat and Kris Versteeg found homes the previous two seasons. That's not to say Frolik has that type of game, he could just ply his game from that role. And as long as he's kept at a wing, only filling in at center in an injury crisis, I think we'll see Frolik really produce.
Grade: B-. The expectations were that he would be better than Jack Skille, and he was. The more hopeful of us thought he could be a real weapon when he got to a winning team, but that never really materialized. Only three goals in 28 games, and a further two in the playoffs, that's not enough. Whether he was snakebit, or pressing, or reverting to true form, we'll have to find out next year. But it's my sincere hope that we'll find out while he's still wearing our colors.
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Fair grade
Really impossible to properly evaluate him based on all the fluctuations regarding his lines, positions, etc. – but they cannot give up on the kid at this point, too much talent at puck possession and all the other traits that management emphasizes.
Yep
I hope here’s next year as well. The best part of that video is when he scored and hurt Les Ginger.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
so
is there any reason to offer him more than $803?
at this price, looks like a no-brainer.
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Not much reason, since he's not arbitration elibigle
unless the Hawks can lock him for a few years at a friendly cap hit in the $1.3M range.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes he's not arbitration elligible, but on the other hand
He’s not REQUIRED to sign. If he feels that he’s worth more and that another team might offer him significantly more, there’s no stopping him from not signing and waiting to see if he gets any offer sheets
by FrankStallone on May 23, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I understand free agency
but unless Doug Wilson is going to throw him a big contract and give us draft picks in return, then the likelihood is small that he’s not re-signed if the Hawks want him back.
Hawks would match anything under $1M. Over $1M is gonna cost to give him a QO:
$1 mil – $ 2 mil = 2nd rounder
$2 mil – $ 3 mil = 1st & 3rd rounder
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Your compensation is a little off
It’s more like 1.5 -2.4 = 2nd rounder
and
2.5-3.5= 1st and 3rd
I’m not trying to cause a civic panic but I’ve seen on Copper and Blue that they’re advocating signing Frolik to a 4 year, $8.something and only give up a 2nd rounder and essentially force the Hawks hand.
So while it is to the Hawks advantage he isn’t arbitration eligible, he’s still an interesting player who would garner some interest if the Hawks screw around again.
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by El Duque's Raft on May 23, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, if I were Fro's unibrow, Id tell him to take a look around if the Hawks offered the bare minimum.
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by HjammerTime on May 23, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
so here's a question
what’s the most the Hawks would pay to keep Frolik?
If he gets a 4-year $8 mildo offer, sayanora. Didn’t his production take a worrying and fairly dramatic turn for the worse this season?
Even if there is a risk of an offer, I don’t see the logic in offering much more than the minimum QO upfront.
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I agree
$2 million a season for 4 years is too much, he hasn’t earned that much of a raise and the ‘Hawks don’t have the abundance of cap space that would allow them to be so frivolous. However, something like $4 million over 3 years would be both appropriate and affordable IMO
by FrankStallone on May 23, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that was kind of my point
if they’re hell bent on squeezing every penny out of the negotiation because he doesn’t have arbitration rights, then they run the risk of getting burned by a difference of couple k.
I’d imagine he’d sign a $1-1.3 million deal with the Hawks. However, if they don’t want to budge past the 803k and someone swoops in with $2.4, then all of a sudden, they have to pay an extra million and a half for him or try and find a replacement which won’t be very easy at his price tag.
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by El Duque's Raft on May 23, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
not sure I grok
i presume the $2.4 million you refer to is a 2-year deal, but mebbe not.
am i reading that right?
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I'm operating under the assumption that whatever agreement the Hawks and Frolik come to
is of the short-term variety. Whether it’s one, two, or three seasons.
If they let him out of their exclusive negotiation window, that’s the only way he’d score a long-term deal (however unlikely that may be).
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by El Duque's Raft on May 23, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I may be overrating Frolik a bit, but I feel the ’Hawks may have to go to a 3-year escalating contract that starts at around $1.6m to $2m to $2.4m.
I know a $2m cap hit may be too much for some of you to swallow, but given his production increase when Bolland was healthy leads me to believe that if Bolland remains healthy this season we could see a career year out of Frolik which could lead to even a bigger match of a contract offer next season if he should only sign a $803K @ 1 year.
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I think 2m is too high.
Unless!
If it is part of Their Plan to move a larger contract player – i.e., Hammer, Hossa, Sharp, Bolland (these are the only 4 making >1.4 million/year, without a NMC of some kind in their contract, and not seabrook).
If they move a larger contract out, they may want to see frolik as part of the top 6 for the future, add a center, and create a more even distribution of money around the roster. Not entirely unwise, in my opinion.
I can see 3 years, but a $2 mil cap hit seems a tad high for this guy at this stage
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That's what I was trying to get at, too
If the ‘Hawks were to offer him something along the lines of what I suggested above – $4 million over 3 years, which is a $1.33 million annual cap hit – then everybody wins. Frolik gets a slight raise, the ’Hawks have him locked up for 3 years, and it’s not an exorbitant cap hit that would handcuff the ‘Hawks or prevent them from trying to address 1 or 2 other positions (i.e. 2nd line center, stay-at-home d-man) on the UFA market. If, on the other hand, the ’Hawks lowball it and only offer him the $803K QO there’s no real incentive for him to sign because he knows he’s worth more than that. There’d by nothing at all to stop another team with plenty of cap space, like say Toronto, from swooping in and offering him $2.5 million knowing that they’d only have to surrender a 2nd round draft pick at that salary level if the ‘Hawks don’t match. At that point the ’Hawks would have to choose to either match, forcing them to overpay for his services and preventing the team from being as active on the UFA market, or let him walk and have to fill another hole.
by FrankStallone on May 23, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
please bear with me
maybe i don’t understand the timing or length of contract issues, but supposing the Hakws offer Frolik 3 years for $4million total.
Couldn’t Toronto still offer him $2.5 million for one year in this case?
i’m pretty sure i’m missing something, just not sure what.
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They could, yes
But I think the point he’s trying to make is that the Hawks offer something reasonable first, he’s more than likely to sign it before Toronto even has the chance to make the aforementioned hypothetical offer.
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thank you
sounds like a timing issue! i suspected something like this.
for my edification, must Frolik give a thumbs up/down to the QO before testing the waters?
If I’m Froik, I wouldn’t be in a hurry to sign anything Stan puts in front of me without understanding my market value. Would this be considered “bad form” if the QO was “reasonable”, and not the money-grubbing $803?
I’m not out to screw Frolik, but I am a bit hesitant based on his drop-off this season, and God knows, the Hawks can use the cap dollars.
I’d like to sign him for $803- if he has a good first half, maybe an extension at a higher salary can be worked out. But if this means a greater risk of losing him compared with a $1.2 per year offer upfront, bite the bullet Stan.
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No
Restricted free agency is a bit like indentured servitude from the players’ standpoint. All the team has to do is file the QO with the league for them to be due compensation from a competing offer sheet. If Frolik gets an offer sheet, as we saw last year, the Hawks would have a week to match.
If no offer sheet comes, and he doesn’t like what the Hawks are offering, then he pretty much just has to sit and pout (Bobby Ryan, James Neal), and has to sign somewhere by Dec 1 if he wants to play at all that season.
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only if FroFro doesn't agree to the deal
I don’t think Toronto (or anyone else) could offer him a deal unless he doesn’t sign a QO with us before June 1st
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thanks for all the help here
so it goes like this:
1. Hawks make QO now.
2. Frolik can accept before June 1. If the Hawks go $803, he probably doesn’t accpet. But there is a magic number (I dunno- $1.1? this is Stan’s job anyway) where he’s likely to think: “well, I probably can’t do better than this”, so he signs.
3. If he doesn’t sign by June 1 and the Hawks want to keep him, they have to pay market value.
I think I get it. A bit tricky, but I think I understand the lowball risk now.
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so if i do understand this now
the Hawks, by being “fair” upfront, can pre-empt the uncertainty.
of course the uncertainty cuts both ways- until June 1, neither the Hawks nor Frolik know what offers, if any, might come rolling in.
So the Hakws make a decent offer, including reminders of the joys of playing in a town like Miami (or with the great fans but dysfunctional organizaton in Edmonton), and avoid the risk of an offer sheet. For Frolik’s part, he may settle for a bit less than what he thinks the uncertain market and uncertain destination may hold.
is this the gist?
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that's about it in a nutshell
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I knew those numbers looked off for $2-3M compensation. Seriously, thanks EDR. I hate to inadvertently dumb down the community.
Luckily C&B are SBN’s biggest stats fanatics, but are not affiliated as far as I know with their team.
FYI though, Derek Zone there is the world’s biggest Frolik fan, so I would expect that from him. He’s written multiple articles over the past 2 yrs regarding Frolik. I’m not going to get into a panic over his hopes, even though I agree with his assessments of Frolik.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
To add
His scoring slump this past year will likely scare most GMs away immediately from making an offer that the Hawks won’t match.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I know
I was just trying to point out that, while he can’t demand more than his $803K QO because he’s not arbitration eligible, there’s nothing to force him to sign for that amount if he thinks he has a chance to be offered more from another team. I agree with you that no team is going to give him anything exorbitant because the draft pick compensation is directly tied to the salary of the offer sheet, but the numbers you’ve listed are pretty far off of what I’ve seen. These were the numbers for last year:
Below $994,433………………………….no compensation
$994,434 – $1,506,706……………….3rd round pick
$1,506,707 – $3,013,434…………….2nd round pick
$3,013,435 – $4,520,150…………….1st and 3rd round picks
$4,520,151 – $6,026,867…………….1st, 2nd, & 3rd round picks
$6,026,868 – $7,533,584…………….Two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick
Above $7,533,584……………………….Four 1st round picks
The numbers for this year should be about the same, a little higher even because they move as the average salary moves according to the CBA. So the point is that a team could sign him to an offer sheet for as much as $1.5 million and only have to give up a 3rd round pick of the ‘Hawks down match, and they’d have to offer him over $3 million a year to get into the range where they’d have to compensate the ‘Hawks with a 1st rounder. So what it boils down to is that it wouldn’t be unreasonable for Frolik to think that there’s a team willing to offer him close to the $1.5 million range and thus might hold out for that, so the best bet would be to try to lock him up for a couple of years at about the rate you suggested if possible because there’s no real incentive for him to sign at his minimum QO
by FrankStallone on May 23, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
His eyebrows make him a must sign
FWIW, I thought he showed a willingness to pay a price and go at the net. Improving shot selection is an obvious must. But I liked him and he showed a chemistry with Bickell and Bolland.
I’d put him as my #1 priority slightly over Campoli and Brouwer and much further ahead than Kopy.
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I really can't see how Kopecky stays
unless he takes a slight pay cut or no raise. Eager was making $965K on the 4th line. Kop was making $1.2M there. If he re-signs for something in between, I’d be happy to see him back.
Hawks have the breathing room to recreate a roster similar to 2010 where they can pay to have a solid 4th line. With Bickell signed at $542k for 2 more years and Frolik likely to be re-sign for cheap, the don’t have the multi-million dollar contracts on the 3rd line they got stuck with after the “Mail-gate” fiasco of summer 2009.
I know a lot of people don’t feel the Hawks were that strong this past year, but they had the 2nd best cumulative score-tied team Corsi behind Vancouver (barely) which is one of the best indicator’s of team strength.
The difference was back-up goaltending and the PK. Even with depth issues, the Hawks put up big numbers.
The Hawks probably have taken care of the goaltending issue if Crow can repeat next season. All they need to do is improve the PK and that should be easy to do on the cheap. If the Hawks can fix the 2nd line, next year’s team has the ability to be as good or better than 2010’s team.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
indicator’s?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you trying to indicate possession
or is it a contraction of “indicator is”?
by FrankStallone on May 23, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
This makes sense since...
The Hawks lost about 20 one goal games last year… they were rarely blown out, yet did their fair share of blowing out other teams. I think we can expect the Hawks to be better next year just because of luck/regression to the mean.
SOOO many one goal losses form collapses in the 3rd. Infuriating.
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by HjammerTime on May 23, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to agree with your analysis/statements here...
But I don’t think Kop will take a pay cut. Not because he’s God’s gift to hockey or anything, but stats-wise, he is far and away coming off of his best year as an NHL level pro.
I love the guy, and I love what he brings to the team in many of the intangible sort of things. Do I think he can be replaced for cheaper? Probably so.
Do I want him to leave? Absolutely not. He’s done what has been asked of him (for the most part) above and beyond his ability level. They’ve given him top 6 minutes when he isn’t a top 6 kind of talent, and he’s performed at an acceptable level – based on my own eye test at least.
I do agree with your bottom line though. If we can get him at a reduced price, then he absolutely stays. Anything higher is requested, well… Hossa can play angry next season then.
(on an aside, I’ll beat up my father for an answer to the question that I asked him for you quite soon.)
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Yes, he had a career year
but his overall numbers in terms of things like Corsi rating, relative +/-, etc were all worst on the team.
Healthy Hossa, prior to re-injuring his shoulder, was on fire. Kop was a benefactor of that, although he did show some grit while on the 2nd line. I think he proved what I’ve been saying since two seasons ago: Kop could play the 2nd line on a shitty team, otherwise he’s a 3rd-4th line player.
I do think his experience on the 2nd line made him a much better 4th liner though. It’s like trying to hit a golf ball in fast pitch and then switching to a softball. He went from the 4th line schmuck to the 4th line leader (not that he had much competition).
I’m sure there’s a GM willing to pay him more based on his surface numbers, but not much more ($1.5M range?). So Kop can choose whether he wants to take a slight raise to play on what will likely be a non-contender, or choose to play for a team who should be one of the favorites next year.
Either way, I won’t lose any sleep – and neither will you. Hossa might.
(Thanks, I was about to email you about that.)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I really hope he stays, and him and Bolly can anchor that 3rd line…thus, bringing the depth back into the fold next season.
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by HjammerTime on May 23, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Bolly, Frolly and Doesn'tPlayToHisSizey
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Bolly, Frolly and the BIG rolly polly
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I love two-way players and I love this kid
Like I said on the day of the trade, this could turn out to be one of the best Hawks trades in recent memory (Sharpy’s trade currently sitting atop that list).
Skille and two bags of pucks for Frolik and Salak? I mean come on here, gotta give Stan two thumbs up for this one. Not exactly what the Hawks needed at the time, but picking up talent is never a bad thing.
Hawks got a kid with almost 3 full years NHL experience who scored 20+ goals in his first 2 seasons plus had an awesome Sabermetric rating and a very good goalie prospect which was DESPERATELY needed since the Hawks had no one even close to being ready in their system.
They got that for Skille who has yet to prove anything, a career AHLer (Jessiman) and an average 18 yr old prospect (Pacan).
I still want to know what kind of dirt Bowman had on Talon.
Time will tell, but it would be nearly impossible to come out on the wrong side of this one.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 11:31 AM CDT reply actions
We all know Roenick for Zhamnov was the best trade of recent memory.
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by HjammerTime on May 23, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Zhamnov AND Craig Mills (can't forget him!)
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That wasn't a trade
Just another in a long line of Dollar Bill ship – em – outs when they get too mouthy about being paid for their actual worth.
At least they got someone in that deal
The Belfour deal was the worst imo. They got nothing for Eddie.
they were all bad
its like comparing the many and varied smells of shit
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by Detroit Must Die on May 23, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you series!
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Here, here
the way we come out wrong is by letting Frolik walk, but I don’t think that will happen. Especially if Frolik actually feels as emphatically about remaining a hawk as the press says he does.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on May 23, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I liked Frolik right when we got him.
I think he will shape up this season. It’s hard to get scoring when your already having an off year, and then add on top of that getting tossed onto a new team mid-season that has some playoff pressure on them and on top of that that, not having a position to really settle into. Tough.
oh, and I forgot how loud the crowd was during game 6. That penalty shot was awesome.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 23, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
Ditto all of the above
I like him, and surely hope he’s a Blackhawk next year. I think a full camp will do him wonders.
Was he doing a little Buff/Capt. Morgan thing after netting that penalty shot?
Never noticed it at the time, but gets additional props for awesomeness if that was the case. Is this going to become the franchises’s siganture move for celebrating big playoff goals?
(Bump him up to a B+ just for that.)
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I might go more into the upper C range (say C+) - so I'm essentially agreeing, again, on this one
I’m hoping we simply saw him have a rather long settle in period, and that he plays more to the later season/playoff form next year
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Frolik reminds me of
A younger, smaller version of Hossa. Before y’all take shots at me now stating otherwise, please note his ability to take the puck into traffic, his handles and his 3 zone play every game.
In that he's a solid two-way player, yes
but the biggest difference IMO is that Frolik doesn’t possess the ability to create his own space/shot like Hossa does (more so in the past than present) and I can’t see him being anywhere near Hossa-esque on special teams. He’ll never be a prolific scorer and 20-25 goals is a likely career range for him.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
In that there is not much you don’t like about his game. I would like to see him develop a more consistent shot. But I think we should lock him up for a few years and laugh at what a great trade this was.
by Fromtheillstate on May 23, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
keep him 1 more year
lets see what we got for a full season. As everyone said from the 4 games that isnt much sample size but worth seeing again with a full year as a Hawk.
I'm all for signing him
and keeping him a right wing, and right wing only.
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Was there ever any confirmation on the Salak signing?
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I believe all the beat reporters have confirmed it,
but no official announcement from the Hawks brass yet.
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I've seen it reported on both ESPN and on Yahoo!
and everywhere it references an anonymous source “familiar with the situation”. There’s been nothing officially linked to Stan, but it seems likely that the official announcement will be coming soon
by FrankStallone on May 23, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Like it
Now get ready for Salak behind the Thunderdome, wacking at any who dare trespass in front of his crease. Watching Thomas almost punch out a TB player who was definitely taking liberties during a goal mouth scramble, had to admit I miss that kind of Belfour attitude at times.
Salak should be entertaining
just hope he doesn’t cross the line to often.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 23, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw 2 years at $600k/yr
from both Jesse Rogers and ESPN.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Poll:
This Frolik goal…
Accidental? Deflection? Or did he want to bank it of the defenseman’s shin pad and into the goal?
Looks like it goes off the blade of the guy directly in front of Frolik
Then hits the other guy in the leg/crotch, and goes in.
by transienthawk on May 23, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
First paragraph...
great stuff. Reminded me of Spaceballs.
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I'd gladly have fro back for a year (or two) with a paltry raise to his current salary
or something a little bit incentive ladden to see what we could get from him
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by Detroit Must Die on May 23, 2011 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
He can't get an incentive-laden contract
He’s not entry-level or old
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
oh yeah
oops, I forgot he wasn’t entry level. still, I would like to see a 2 year deal with a paltry raise get done for fro.
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by Detroit Must Die on May 23, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It's amazing how many of these grades are "small sample size" or "incomplete."
I didn’t realize just what a mish mash of personnel this team was for a good chunk of the season. The capocalypse plus injuries really did a number on us. Going through these evaluations player by player has shown the big picture to be a bit more complicated than simply Q playing Russian roulette with the roster each night. And it’s making me more than a little concerned with the team for next season. Do we really know what to expect out of group that we hardly know now?
Anyone but Vancouver.
2+ Yrs: Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Kopecky, Brouwer, Bolland
1st Yr: Bickell, Stalberg, Dowell, Johnson, Pisani
Trade deadline or call-ups: Frolik, Kruger, Smith
2+ Yrs: Keith, Seabrook, Campbell, Hjalmarsson, (Hendry)
1st Yr: Scott, (Cullimore)
Mid-season call-up: Leddy
Trade deadine: Campoli
So basically 4 (or 5 if you include Leddy). And it’s not like Campoli or Frolik are rookies. They have at least a few years of NHL experience.
Really the only incompletes are Kruger and Smith, but they were basically Black Aces, so they should be.
You are obviously not a fan of change we can believe in.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet home Chicago!
(Short sale pending)
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 23, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
this is going to be the long term reality of hard capped sports though
you have your “core” signed to mid/long term deals and a rotating supporting cast
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
as always
i am here
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
that blowout ference had after krejci got knocked down
bad break
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 23, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh yeah
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
been a physical game
but seems like only the bruins are going down.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
1:08 into the game i believe
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah there was one
don’t remember which game, that was like first 30 seconds in or something
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
you may be right
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I may be crazy
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 23, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
you may be right
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
but it may just be a lunatic you're looking for
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 23, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
you may be right?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
turn out the light
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 23, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
aw that's no fun
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I know.
my job is to be a stick in the mud :\
and I’m soooo failing at ending this thread. ah well
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
its tough being a mod =(
ok i’m done =)
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
this thread should have ended many posts ago
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
and yet...
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeesh - second time someone goes into the Bruins net in the last 5?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
"A great view of Stamkos going into the net"
Uh no. A great view of Stamkos’s ass
Thomas is so damn aggressive!
i feel like half the time he’s 2 feet out of the net!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
thats the type of play we are going to see from salak
if he gets the back-up spot
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 23, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll have a heart attack every time he's in the net
sometimes its great, but most of the time its just leaving the net completely open
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
yes but at the same time
it also opens up the option of witnessing some crazy saves.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 23, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i mean it might just work for that goalie
but god heart attack city for me. be good to have a goalie that uses the poke check well also, seemed like there was a bunch of time with crawford where he could have had the save if only he’d stuck his stick out.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i totally just stole girlphoenix's comment
woops
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe hes's incapable of seeing the color blue?
I like him but I am so glad he’s not ours because I’m pretty sure that’s the road to heart attack city. I worry for my heart with Salak.
same i really like him, but i had enough of a goalie increasing my blood pressure
with turco in net.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
wish he hadn't fanned on that shot
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
And things get a whole lot more dire up in Nashville about Shea Weber.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
if weber ends up in detroit somehow
i will be pissed
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 23, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
They’ll have an extra $6m to throw around with Rafalski retiring, and if Lidstrom goes they’ll have even more.
The Red Wings could be “the player of the day” on July 1st and Brad Richards and other UFA/RFA’s are taking notice … and why wouldn’t they?
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Today is a historic day
Hockey Buzz was actually right about something.
Does this possibly raise Hjammer’s trade value as the market for D-Men heats up? You have to figure the price for Weber just went up.
If a team had Weber in their plans, Hjammer might be a nice fallback.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Hey look, Boucher started his backup after his starter (Roloson) struggled during this series.
Maybe McLellan might take notes after his starter let in 4 goals on 7 shots in the final two periods.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
has Nitty played in the playoffs?
I can’t remember…
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
I didn't think he played
the commentators have kept saying that niemi has won all the series’. which made me think he was the starter for all
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
right, but has Nemo been chased?
but in general, I just don’t remember if Nitty has any playoff experience.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
He won against Los Angeles in Game 3 of that series which turned the tide of that best-of-seven.
And those were far more than the ZERO Mike Smith had going into tonight’s action.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Apparently he has!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
According to nhl.com
Nitty has played 2 playoff games, 4/19 where he took over from Nemo and they won 6-5 in OT, 4/23 in relief of Nemo where they lost 3-1, he stopped everything he saw then
wow no clue where i was for those games, haha
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
SCORE
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
that, and hero-worshiping Edzo
everytime he says something to Edzo, I expect him to add “so Edzo, did you talk to your wife about me staying in your guesthouse? I’ll only come to dinner 4, no 5 days of the week….”
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
i hate when he is between the benches
i guess unless turco is there rolling his eyes
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Sandstorn
Worst goal song in the history of forever.
Went to have dinner right after the bolts scored; I turn on the TV just in time to see Horton’s. Did I miss anything?
I stand corrected, though they are both awful
Just listened to each one on youtube and stood about 5 seconds per.
Back to hockey — not the best way to play a 4-3 was it?
Acore!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
or alternately
Score!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
haha go for it.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
does this mean we should say "NUTS!" when the other team scores?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 23, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
its funny, i've been pronouncing it
Uh-corn in my head. Instead of A -corn. I don’t know why.
Maybe that’s not funny.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i guess...
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
dear Vs
how is a game6 for this series an “if necessary”?
someone at Versus doesn’t know how to do math…
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Maybe someone there is hoping for a meteor.
by transienthawk on May 23, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
they should send that meteor to the west coast
not the east coast.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
It's Milbury
Lunkhead #1 on a network filled with them – hey, enjoy them they’ve got the contract for many more years now, no doubt due to their excellence in broadcasting.
Close but no cigar for TB
Nice almost celebration though
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
Nice move Jones
Raise your stick, but not so fast, douchebag.
Is that shot differential correct?
Only just got here in time for period 3 – heard the shots are something like 25 for TV and 12 for Bos. If true, has Thomas been playing lights out?
yeah first period at one point TB already had like 12 and BOS had 2
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Thomas has played well
but I don’t think I’d call it lights out…
He’s made some nice stops, but a lot of TB’s chances have been ‘meh’ in my opinion.
by transienthawk on May 23, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Just as I post that...
Thomas makes a ‘lights out’ save.
Holy shit.
by transienthawk on May 23, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously, Boston?
not a SINGLE SOG during this 3rd period?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
whoa good save thomas with his stick
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
you know that's right
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
whoa good save Smith!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
oh shut up pierre
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
BOS play unacceptable
I mean in your own rink to be outshot like that?
the dreaded protecting your lead hockey
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
they started protecting their lead after the 11th shot then? idk
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
This!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah gotta love his style
Completely unorthodox – remind you of anyone in particular?
wow fuck you downie
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
And now clownshoes
I don’t mind if they win, but how are they going to win against VAN with that PP?
Their powerplay was clicking last series i believe
maybe it’ll come back
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't think it was thaaaat bad.
He tried to make sure he hit him on the shoulder… it was just really late.
by transienthawk on May 23, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
it could have been worse i guess, but have a hard time
giving downie the benefit of the doubt. especially after seeing the hit this season (or early playoffs) where he took a flying leap off the ice to hit a guy high
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, he has an unsavory past.
But I don’t think that last hit was that bad. You could see a conscious effort on his part to aim for shoulder to shoulder, but Boychuk really just wasn’t prepared for it.
by transienthawk on May 23, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah. well maybe he's learning
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch
White Sox baseball: We're All Ineffective
Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton, AND LEE!! HELL YES!
My two favorite football teams have a "Gould"en kicker
i highly doubt
that they are trying very hard to resign kop.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 23, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought it could be true
and then saw the kopy piece and thought, hell no
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Wild speculation is my guess.
Just like what we all do here.
by transienthawk on May 23, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF?
That just seems wrong.
White Sox baseball: We're All Ineffective
Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton, AND LEE!! HELL YES!
My two favorite football teams have a "Gould"en kicker
Yeah. Doesn't seem likely, I have more belief in Stan than that.
"Showin' her my Toews-face!"
there's nothing in the original article (the Edmonton Journal)
about Kop. And the thing about Jelly is just a rumor right now.
I would be sad to lose Jelly though, unless we get something good in return/picked up
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
fuck doug wilson
played a good game of chicken and made stan look silly.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 23, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking that earlier today
with all the worry that someone is going to offer-sheet FroFro. Fucking Doug Wilson now has us terrified that every freaking team in the league is going to offer-sheet our players from under us.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
I know I'll get laughed off the site for this...
But why on earth won’t they consider trading Lalonde or Olsen? They’re both of the puck-mover types, and clearly Leddy has surpassed them.
Hjammy is a different breed – and something the system does not have in abundance.
by transienthawk on May 23, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah we definitely need some good stay at home guys
all we’ve got are puck movers. Hjammer had an off year but I think he can bounce back.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would you be laughed off the site?
I think it’s a reasonable idea. I really hope that we keep Jelly and he has a monster 3rd year.
Otherwise, I hope he doesn’t do well with any other team.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
that sounds about right
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that early suspension f--ed with his head
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
A long term deal for Kopecky?
Sounds like Edmonton values the Kopacabana. Good for them as they continue to emulate the Florida Panthers.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Shit imagine if that had gone in?!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
That's what I love about this site - I knew I had it wrong - and said "Screw it"...
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
I remember when Tallon used to do play by play, and a fight breaks out -
There goes the Lady Bing! (deliberate mispronounce)
Who was the last lady Byng in Chicago – Makita?
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
Damn, in Chicago, it's harder to win than the Stanley Cup.
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
I enjoy these BOS-TB games
so much more than those other ones. At least I don’t feel like killing myself or others during them
yeah. i so desperately want the canucks to lose in their series
that i get very ragey and intense. I can just enjoy the Bos-TB games.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i swear
that kool aid we were all drinking must have been made with sour grapes haha
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 23, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
We'd be doing better if there was medicinal - er, you know in Illinois...
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
haha
very much so. but should the unthinkable happen, I’ll go to NM & tell them congrats and give them a glass of my bitter bitter tears to cheer with. I’m sure they’ll enjoy that vintage. Just as we have enjoyed their bitter tears for the past couple years.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
you're a good egg, ahnfire
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
No, not at all.
I just think it was a weird choice for the team’s confidence.
by transienthawk on May 23, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i really thought they would start him
he had a bad game last time, but was great the rest of the time. i’m assuming he’ll be back next game.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
and a fight in the last 5 seconds. of course
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
I watched a vid of that Clowe/Kesler punch from last night
Hilarious. Kesler laid there forever too! Someone made a gif of it. Too bad it doesn’t show Kesler lying on the ice and everyone ignoring him.
would love to see that gif, but only if it had him laying there
just 1 player went to check on him. ridiculous.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Alas I can only link a vid of that
Alas I can only link a vid of that.
by girlphoenix on May 23, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
hah his team is just celebrating around him
whatevs on kesler’s on the ice, woohoo
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks for repeating, i didn't get it the first time
haha
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 23, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Will be rooting for a Boston team for the first time in history if Boston v. Vancouer goes down.
Yuk
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Brian Rafalski
Rafalski to announce he’s retiring tomorrow. Injuries have apparently taken their toll. he had 4 goals and 44 assists in only 63 games last year, although he was apparently beconing more and more of a defensive liability.
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