2010 - 2011 Player Evaluations: Tomas Kopecky
by McClure on May 25, 2011 11:03 AM CDT
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For the better part of the last two seasons, we've made a lot of jokes at Tomas Kopecky's expense. In our defense, they've pretty much all been justified. Whether it's his role as Marian Hossa's cabana boy, his inability to skate upright or keep his helmet on, or his odd skill set that has yet to find a home on any line, Kopecky has always led an existence as a Hawk as odd as his number. That certainly didn't change this season.
Contract Status: Unrestricted Free Agent (2010-2011 Cap Hit: $1.2 million)
Positives: First and foremost, TomoKop posted a career high in points by exactly doubling his previous best (shocking for a guy in a contract year, right?). Both Kopecky's goals and assists were career bests, and a lot of that had to do with playing with Marian Hossa early in the season, when Hossa was eviscerating the western conference in October. Kopecky was also one of the few Hawks who would consistently and effectively get his ass to the front of the net both at even strength and on the power play, utilizing his 6'3" frame. Kopecky also has a rocket of a wrist shot, but he needs about a year and a half to wind up for it. After a lull in production, Kopecky later returned to what he's done best throughout his career, slaying bums on the 4th line with Viktor Stalberg and Ryan Johnson, where he managed 5 points and was a +2 in the month of March.
Negatives: For all the versatility Kopecky is lauded as having by the Hawks' braintrust, the two aforementioned roles are really the only ones that he's been effective at, and any work he does in the top 6 has got an extremely short shelf life. This was exhibited by his production dropping off to only 11 points after the All Star Break. When pressed into duty at center, Kopecky was a miserable 42.2% at the dot, which exacerbated his defensive weaknesses, of which there are many. These include but are not limited to a lack of spatial awareness in his own zone, and deficient skating speed which forced him to reach and take penalties on the backcheck. Even for doubling his best scoring output, Kopecky was still a -13, which yielded far and away the worst Behind The Net rating on the team among the regulars.
Defining Moment: While I'd like to use this space to show Kopecky chugging along a step and a half behind the play on the back check as the opponent transitions, bent over at the waist and arm fully extended, those aren't exactly the things that NHL.com consumes valuable server hard drive space with. So instead here's a an ill-advised neutral ice pass from Kopecky that was picked off and deposited into an empty net by Ryane Clowe, a play that started with Kopecky losing (badly) a late-game draw that the Hawks had to have.
Outlook: While Kopecky does have two things that the Hawks sorely need - size and a willingness to get to the net, he's too much of a liability to be put into to the top 6 with any kind of consistency. Though, with putting up the numbers he did this year, some team in desperate need of help will over pay for his services, and cheaper alternatives can be found. So, unless he's willing to come back for around the same money just to bask in the glow of Marian Hossa's electric blond hair or if the market isn't what he anticipates due to the concussion in the playoffs, it's likely we've seen the last of TomoKop in an indian head sweater.
Final Grade: C-. Even with the offensive numbers seriously jumping up for Kopecky, he was a bigger defensive liability this season than he had ever been previously. And a lot of those offensive numbers carry a huge asterisk based on at what point in the season they came, and who Kopecky was playing with.
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I Congree with all
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 25, 2011 11:09 AM CDT reply actions
Pssst... they could be reading this.
Kopecky gets an A+++!! Best forward eva. Versitile. Hard working. He’s way too valuable here but we just can’t afford to keep him. *sniff, *tear.
Make us an offer. MK?
I agree with your analysis
Someone is going to overpay for him because of his career year points-wise and his 2 SC rings, and as long as that someone is not Stan Bowman I’ll be happy. I appreciate Kopecky’s attitude and energy, but if he’s wearing a ‘Hawks sweater in 2011-’12 I’ll be infuriated.
It will probably be the Ottawa Senators
But I hope not…
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by Peter Raaymakers on May 25, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Infuriated?
Lets not go overboard here. If he stayed at his current price he’d be a great 4th liner.
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by HjammerTime on May 25, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He will never
ever, ever, ever, be on my fantasy team again.
On board with Team Live Bad Ass
by Johnny Lava on May 25, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
You are the one to blame here.
Why would you pick TOMO in the first place!
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by HjammerTime on May 25, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
injuries
and he was doing well till November.
On board with Team Live Bad Ass
by Johnny Lava on May 25, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Fantasy
And he played a lot of Sunday nights where you could plug him in; potential PP pointsa and penalty minutes. A lot of time s it seemd like a temporary pick up for Sunday night in a close match was either Kop’s or someone on the Oilers.
If he stayed at his current price and Q promised to NEVER put him in the top 6
I’d be OK with him returning, he’s perfectly adept at slaying bums on the 4th line. However, Q won’t promise that and even if he would chances are that there’s some team out there willing to offer him $2 – $3 million just because of his career high 42 points and his 2 SC rings. That means that, if he’s back with the ‘Hawks, chances are that he’s making $2.5 million and probably playing alongside Hossa on the 2nd line which would be fucking awful
by FrankStallone on May 25, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 25, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
Finally!
You win the Internetz for a day.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
don't flatter yourself
i got it- just didn’t find it reply-worthy.
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by cliffkoroll on May 26, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
wasn't that on the other side earlier?
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Most dead on evaluation of them all
Good job Matt
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 25, 2011 11:28 AM CDT reply actions
Quasi-kopo can stay
if he doesn’t get a huge raise.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 25, 2011 11:42 AM CDT reply actions
Agreed too
4th line money, minutes and responsibilities is fine. But the problem is that the minute one of the top 6 gets injured, guess who’s moving on up.
That caption and intro
Brightened an otherwise gloomy, rainy, shitty day. Hilarious.
Love to have Tomas back, but under the condition that it’s 4th line ONLY. Like Hack mentioned yesterday, Kopecky has a knack for creeping back into the higher lines and the PP unit. Sneaky Slovak! I’m also concerned that if Kopecky goes, who are we going to make fun of? Simple Jack is gone already, and the Frolik eyebrow jokes will only last for so long…
I hear Bryan Bickell is a giant pansy.
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by HjammerTime on May 25, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Kaner's still lazy
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by Johnny Lava on May 25, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
leddy still has a horse-face
and campbells a mouth-breather
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 25, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of Campbell
Saw on the twitters this am that Stan has been talking to TOR about trades, and that Soupy’s name came up. Things that make you go ’hmmmm.
trading campbell is a concept I never really take seriously
due to all the hurdles of getting him out the door. That, added to what he brings to the team…
It would free up a lot of cap space, for restructuring, and maybe allow the team to bring in more size on D… but as always with Soupy rumors, I’ll believe it when i see it.
by oregon_hawk on May 25, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure I want anything Toronto has anyway
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by HjammerTime on May 25, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
My undwrstanding is that Soupy has a "list" of teams he would allow a trade to...
If Toronto is on that list, then I’ll eat my hat!
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Actually, Campbell is from just outside London, Ontario
It’s only 100 miles from Toronto. He also has family in Toronto.
Aside from that, Toronto isn’t really that bad of a team. In 2010, they had the league’s 3rd best team Corsi rating, believe it or not. They’ve been victims though of having the league’s worst goaltending since the lockout.
This year, with Reimer in net, they showed what that team is capable of with decent netminding. He went 20-10-5. Their 2 other goalies, Giguere and Gustavsson, combined for a .895 Sv% and 17-24-6 record.
In 2006, their 3rd string goalie, Aubin, played 11 games and went 9-0-2 with a .924 Sv%. The next year he shit the bed. Other than that tease, the best Sv% of ANY goalie on Toronto since the lockout was Giguere last year with a whopping .907.
Outside of Reimer and those 11 games by Aubin, the Leafs have had 11 of their 15 goalies finish with a Sv% in the .800’s – and most of them were well into the .800’s. Could you imagine if this year’s Marty Turco was your BETTER goalie?
So, with Reimer looking like the real deal and in net next season, I wouldn’t put it past Campbell to have Toronto on his list. Actually, I’d expect it to be on his list.
/full disclosure: Toronto is my 2nd favorite team
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
To add
Toronto REALLY needs a puck-moving d-man and PP QB. Aside from Phaneuf, they have none since they sent Kaberle to Boston during the season. Although they’re not huge on the blue line, they have plenty of hitting and blocking d-men. Hawks have also made it clear they want a big stay-at-home defender.
I’ve never giving ANY credence to past Campbell trade rumors, but this one does make sense for two teams who want to trade big contracts.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
And add to that addition
that the Hawks might really be looking for a way to keep Leddy in the bigs. Trading Campbell is the only way it makes sense IMO. Otherwise, you likely have Leddy stuck on the 3rd line for most of his career life afterlife. And that makes no sense whatsoever.
Hey, at least I’m not stoking the flames of more Patrick Kane rumors. Amiright??
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Should've made a FanPost...
Komisarek’s cap hit is $4.5M. He’s already been paid the biggest chunk of his contract. Next year he makes $5.5M, but after that he’s only due $3.5M for the final two years.
Campbell’s cap hit is $7.15M. He’s due that amount every year since his contract wasn’t front-loaded. He also has two extra years on his contract. That’s a savings of $23.25M for the Hawks. That’s not chump change for a team trying to recoup $11.25M lost by burying Huet in Europe.
Hawks also have Olsen who should be ready in 2-3 years. If they wanted to trade Komisarek after next season or later, it would be quite easy to do to a team with some cap space. Although the cap hit would be $4.5M, they’d only have to pay him $3.5M for a year or two.
Maybe hold off on getting that new Campbell jersey?
Sorry McClure, I know you’re hating this! heh heh
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
For all those who want Sharpy back...
AND a 2nd line center, AND a PF, AND to keep Hammer, this is how it’s probably done.
I love me some Campbell, but if the Hawks can manage to keep Sharp and Hammer, pick up a big physical defensiveman, and loosen the cap noose around the team’s neck, then this makes a lot of sense to me.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
hossssaaaaa
play vs contract, soupy is more attractive
but i’d hate to lose soupy for komisarek.
by oregon_hawk on May 26, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Cap Hit is Cap Hit though
Yes, actual yearly salary is a team budget factor … but the bigger factor in the team dynamics is Cap Hit
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If they wanted to trade Komisarek after next season or later, it would be quite easy to do to a team with some cap space. Although the cap hit would be $4.5M, they’d only have to pay him $3.5M for a year or two.
There are a number of small market teams looking to reduce costs while staying above the cap floor. I can’t see that changing in the next 2 years.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be really surprised
but if there’s one GM that I could see being willing to take on the massive cap hit and length of Soupy’s contract it’s Brian Burke. Add in the facts that the Leafs jettisoned both Kaberle and Beauchemin this year and are hurting for D, have a TON of cap space, and are probably only a few pieces away from making the playoffs and I could see it as a possibility
by FrankStallone on May 25, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as the Campbell to TOR rumors
I saw those too, but only in a Campbell for Kessel swap with maybe a few other pieces throw in.
If that’s the case, the Hawks would look worse than Nemo did on that OT goal last night.
by DontTazeMeBro on May 25, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
But if the 'Hawks did make that trade
They could then turn around and trade Kessel elsewhere for either a stay-at-home defenseman, a true 2nd line center, or a solid power forward. I can’t see (or at least I don’t want to believe) the ’Hawks actually holding onto Kessel if they made that trade
by FrankStallone on May 25, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I would hope so
But imagine if they were stuck with him and his $5.4 million cap hit for the next 3 years. I agree that with Leddy’s progression into a Campbell-type player, freeing up that money could net us a 2nd line center, PF (or at least guarantee we resign Brouwer) and a stay-at-home D man. However, I don’t know if I want to take that chance.
by DontTazeMeBro on May 25, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, Brian Burke will take anyone ... oh, wait
I guess maybe we couldn’t trade Kessel after all.
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How about this though
Colorado has shown a willingness / propensity to make boneheaded trades (see: their trade w/ the Blues) and as a result there are grumblings that Paul Stastny wants out. What if the ‘Hawks and the Leafs swapped Soupy for Kessel, and then the ’Hawks managed to turn around and convince Colorado to take Kessel for Stastny? Everybody wins – Burke gets his defenseman, Colorado trades a disgruntled star for one that’s not disgruntled yet, and the ‘Hawks get a legitimate top-6 center for the 2nd line while at the same time lowering the total team salary / cap hit by a little over half a million (Stastny’s contract is for $6.6 mil as compared to Soupy’s just north of $7.1 mil)
by FrankStallone on May 25, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
what?
Toronto is always looking for good top 6 centers. If Burke could trade Kessel for a good stay at home Dman and a 2nd line center, he’d do that and skip the 7.1 million dollar middle man.
While I like campbell, a campbell kessel trade would be a bad contract for bad contract swap. Kessel would then be playing alongside Hossa and a 2nd line center (sharp or whoever). The only reason the hawks would take kessel is because he has 3 years left, while campbell still has 5.
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I see now that you said "either" not "and"
but still, I don’t see the same open market value for Kessel that you do
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by HjammerTime on May 25, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
doesn't he have either a
NMC, or a NTC?
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by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
but the likelihood that Toronto is on the list?
yea. that’s what I thought.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Its the same old crap
people suggest trades with no knowledge of contract details – Soupy, Keith, Kane, and Toews all have NMC or NTC. Trading them would be silly anyway, but is rendered all-but-impossible by their contract clauses.
I’ve posted it before, but I’ll do it here again, the following is a list of players making greater than 1.5 m/yr, who were not signed in the past season, and do not have a NTC or NMC:
Sharp (3.9, 2012)
Bolland (3.375, 2014)
Hossa (5.275, 2021)
Hjalmarsson (3.5, 2014)
I’d be quite surprised if a large-dollar player who is not on this list gets moved this off-season.
Also shocked if bolland goes anywhere, and equally amazed by a Sharp departure.
Hossa’s contract is huge. I think he should be gone, if we can move him, but find it unlikely.
Thus, if the cap doesn’t go up as much as we hope, Hjammer is trade bait.
I don't know why this is getting this much discussion
This only came about because Jesse doesn’t have enough common sense to not feed the trolls in his mailbag. I’ll go ahead and continue to believe that a) Campbell isn’t going anywhere, and b) Jesse is an irredeemable moron.
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by McClure on May 25, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Noted.
New at this twitter game and not sure how to filter out the good info from the poor info. Plus, TOR can bring up any name they want. Just because it’s mentioned doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
don't follow Jesse
and the intelligence level will rocket up there. Stick with Tracy Myers, Adam Jahns, Tim Sassone. They’re usually a little more level-headed. Plus anything with credibility will be tweeted by all 3, so you can filter our the random rumor-responses. And follow the Hawks official twitter for official announcements.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on May 25, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Tracy is so far ahead of many "established" Chicago area reporters.
I often wonder what her reaction is when she sees some of this crap.
Does her head spin? Loud primal scream? Hysterical laughter?
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Problem with following Sassone
Is that he is trailed by a roving pack of Meatballs just waiting to beg Bowman to trade for Georges Laraque.
Playoffs? Playoffs???
by AirTrafficAJ on May 26, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it just me, or did it seem that Sassone was "mailing it in" this year?
I felt he was burned out from the cup, and of course, the meatballs on his blog.
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by AirTrafficAJ on May 26, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s aided and abetted by a certain columnist working at that paper. I can’t imagine that Sassone would even give Rozner the time of day.
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Sassone's blog is always worth checking out.
That guy has a passion for the game and is a pretty good reporter too.
Sassone-Rosenbloom-Myers and Jahns are the best hockey people in town though.
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So pretty much anyone not named Rozner or Rogers
David Haugh sucks so hard he doesn’t even count.
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Yes, David Haugh was not even considered.
You also forgot Kuc.
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by HjammerTime on May 26, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Ahh. Right.
He’s been persona non grata around here since the Columbus game after the Deadspin story where he decided to take shots at us via twitter, then unfollow us.
He can bite my bag too.
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I remember it well
Very childlike. I wonder if he was just around David Kaplan to much?
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by HjammerTime on May 26, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I read his blog, and it's usually pretty good reading.
Unfortunately I always scroll a bit too far down the page into the comments section….
Playoffs? Playoffs???
by AirTrafficAJ on May 26, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
true indeed
on both counts
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It needs more cowbell.
I thought I saw it first from HockeyBreak on twitter
That thing
He goes on to mention potential Mike Komisarek involvement.
both soupy and komisarek have NMC of some kind
saves 2.6 million or so off the cap, goes from this:
5-22-27/+28 in 65 GP, 28 hits, 101 blocks (22:58 ATOI)
for
1-9-10/-8 in 75 GP, 186 hits, 121 blocks (13:37 ATOI)
On Toronto, not a single defenseman who played over 20 games has a + ratio, but even with that said, he was 7th of 8 D-men (over 20 games), ahead of Lebda (-14) and behind Schenn (-7)
I can see the logic in moving campbell, but that seems like a huge dropoff in defensive effectiveness for only a 2.7m/yr salary cap gain. If we’re going to move such a key cog, can we get something better back?
For comparison, Hjalmarsson’s stats:
3-7-10/+13 in 80 GP 46 hits, 166 blocks (18:28 ATOI)
Hammer is a million/year cheaper than komisarek, also 6 years younger (and 40 pounds lighter). Can we not get rid of Hammer… please.
side note
Komisarek and Campbell have identical qualcomps this season (-0.023).
Reason why Toronto probably wants to shed Komisarek's contract
I wouldn’t hold Komi’s -8 against him. Aside from the fact all of their d-men were minuses, he had by far the most defensive zone starts (nearly 60%) which probably accounts for him being negative.
But since his new contract – and even before his should injury in 2010, Komi’s production in his two main areas, hitting and blocking shots, has dropped off considerably:
Not saying I wouldn’t want a guy like him on my team, but he is overpaid probably just as much as Campbell.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
so
you’ve positioned yourself on both sides here? how very unusual.
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by cliffkoroll on May 26, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Otherwise known as the "Frank Stallone Debate Technique"
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by McClure on May 26, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not saying I wouldn’t want a guy like him on my team, but he is overpaid probably just as much as Campbell.
Nope. Just stating “Reason why Toronto probably wants to shed Komisarek’s contract.” It’s in the title in case you missed it.
They already have Schenn who is only 21 and was making $3M. He’s an RFA and will be looking to get paid. Toronto only needs a guy like Campbell to have a pretty good defense.
If Komisarek can give the Hawks about 4.5 hits + blocks per game as a 2nd line defensemen, plus time on the PK (which Soupy didn’t until he was forced to this season), he’s a good pickup.
Soupy also hasn’t gotten time on the 1st PP unit. With Seabs emerging in that area, Duncs already being used there, and Leddy likely being groomed to take on the 2nd PP unit role, Campbell is expendable in that regard. So now you have a $7M player who isn’t playing special teams on a team that badly needs PK help, not PP help.
And just because I don’t brazenly make BOLD ABSOLUTE statements, doesn’t mean I’m waffling. It would be nice if you could keep your obvious infatuation in check.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
snarky, childish 11-word comment
draws defensive 205-word reply.
cliffkoroll FTW!
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by cliffkoroll on May 26, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Translation
cliffkoroll: I have not comeback, so I’ll resort to “Haha! See I got you!”
…and his sidekick ahnfire rec’s the witless comment.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I have not comeback?
oh, but I have! And I will continue to comeback and haunt you in your dreams.
Signed,
The comeback kid
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by cliffkoroll on May 26, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
This thread is why we can't have nice things.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
its bickellicious, hjammertime
get it right
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by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It's case of being exposed to him more
This season of lack of depth gave us unhealthy doses of TomoKop. At 42 pts someone else is going to pay him more. Auf weidersehn Herr TomoHop. I also know he’s Slovakian at thats not the appropriate language.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
don't forget his 2 Cup rings
that will add to his “value”
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by Johnny Lava on May 25, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
For what its' worth...
…I would take $1.2M to bask in the glow of Hossa’s electric blond hair. He’s adorbs.
don't kid yourself
Id wipe hossa’s ass for 1.2 mil
good article
weird picture
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by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
looks like the other player
is growing out of his stomach or something
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by justforkicks on May 26, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
A couple years is a good estimate (as always, with the big "if ever" qualifier)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
When Q gets fired some day . . .
. . . because all coaches eventually do, Kopecky and John Scott will be mentioned prominently in the obit.
I suspect they'll be gone before Q ... hopefully, long before
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
think they could wrangle some sort of deal for Smid from the oilers?
I thought they were eyeing him before the deadline, hes a big guy and might make a good addition.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 25, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
That picture is why I always think of him as QuasiKopo
I’d take him at same price, with his ass super glued to the 4th line.
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his ass superglued?
is that some fancy new cabana boy kink?
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
Off topic but I was messin around on capgeek
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Michael Frolik ($1.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Ben Smith ($0.812m)
Jeremy Morin ($0.886m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Brent Seabrook ($5.800m)
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Nick Leddy ($1.116m) / Anton Babchuk ($1.400m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.666m) / Alexander Salak ($0.600m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,568,004; BONUSES: $965,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $431,996
Only additions are Babchuk on D (instead of campoli) and Dubinsky as a second line center.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 25, 2011 1:08 PM CDT reply actions
everytime i see john scott, i die a little inside
Dubi! I like Callahan, but alas he is not a center.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Triple Babchuk's salary
no way he signs for anything less than $3 m.
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by El Duque's Raft on May 25, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
And Dubinsky will make significantly more than his $1.85
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by El Duque's Raft on May 25, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Babchuk and Dubinsky are both due raises and unlikely to sign for the same amount that they made last season
by FrankStallone on May 25, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
i suppose to make this in any way realistic
I’d bump dubinsky up to 2.5 and retain campoli, and put goc on the 4th line for around 800k and keep a 21 instead of 22 man roster.
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 25, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Dubinsky will get much more
closer to $4 mill. Unless the Hawks were to swing a trade for him and give him a one-year deal. And Goc will get a raise too. I would guess he gets $1.5
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by El Duque's Raft on May 25, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
goc spent a lot of the year off with an injury didn't he?
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 25, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, 51 games
but if the cap goes up as predicted, there’s going to be some overspending going on.
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by El Duque's Raft on May 25, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
you won't get through a year with 21
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I think McClure had it yesterday
Showing we basically had 4m or so cap space to play around with acquiring centers. With your roster specifically, I’d rather pay the 300k or so to retain campoli (if he wants to be here) than have leddy up with the club. I’d also rather have kruger be in the AHL and bring in someone else for the same price.
I think stalberg and frolik will both cost more than what you have as well.
Also, rumor has the cap 1.5 M higher than what you have there (I think)
Meh
I think he’s in the ballpark for Stalberg and Frolik.
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by El Duque's Raft on May 25, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
could be as much as 400k short, cumulatively
100k here, 100k there, pretty soon you’re talking about real money.
Rockford.
Dont resign Exelby and there ya go, under the Vet limit and you dont have to eat 250K
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i wish we could count on this as an option
but again, with stan saying he wanted to give him more ice time next season I dont even know. Hopefully he was talking about ice time in the AHL
by putmeinthemadhouse on May 25, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
hopefully someone talked some sense into him
more minutes for scott? i can’t even.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
If Viktor Stalberg costs $1.2 mill
I’d just as soon as let him walk. No way he’s worth any more than a million. As been mentioned ad nauseum in these parts, Frolik is not arbitration-eligible. He can’t command more than the $1.3-1.5.
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by El Duque's Raft on May 25, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Frolik can't command anything
that’s true since he’s not arbitration eligible, but if the ‘Hawks offer him less than he thinks he’s worth there’s nothing to stop him from holding out and seeing if anyone wants to give him more on an offer sheet. That being said, I think if the ‘Hawks were to offer him something like $4 million over 3 years (that’s $1.5 million per) it would be a solid deal both for him and for the team
by FrankStallone on May 25, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It's reported that the cap should be somewhere between $60.5 million and $63.5 million
so it could be as much as $1.5 million more than what he’s got up there but it could as be as much as $1.5 million less
by FrankStallone on May 25, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
given the reported revenue figures, many are predicting it comes out toward the higher end or that range
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I completely agree
League revenues were up a reported $200 million this year as compared to last season, which works out to $6.67 million per team. That doesn’t even take into account the new TV deal because it doesn’t actually go into effect until next season. So yeah, logically one would assume that the salary cap would end up closer to the higher end of that window than the lower end, but there’s no way to know for sure and of course we can’t simply give the league the benefit of the doubt that they’ll follow basic logic. The point is that the $62 million figure that was used for that line-up is probably the best approximation to go with for now just because it’s right in the middle of the window.
by FrankStallone on May 25, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
it isn't really a league deciding to follow logic
the CBA has some standards for how it works, in large part revenue driven.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
The Cup is ours until someone takes it from us.
It needs more cowbell.
I know that it's tied in large part to revenue
but I’m pretty sure that the league has some amount of discretion as well. Or I could be dead wrong. Either or.
by FrankStallone on May 25, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
from what i see in the roster
if we assume a #2 center is the biggest acquisition priority of the offseason, the cap level pretty much dictates whether or not someone needs to be moved out to make space for that player. 63.5 gives us a little under 4m or so (as mcclure had yesterday). 60.5 means we have basically no space, and someone might be gone.
basically a waiting game, as it often is, for a while.
i get the impression campoli wants to stay here
but i guess you never really know what else is going on.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
For most players it comes down to the cash at the very end
You get a guy like Sopel who is a veteran, has made his money and has a family to consider, than you are likely to get a big discount. Campoli may have incentive to stay, however if someone is offering the bucks than he is most likely going to take it. That is what most of us would do if were were in his position.
I really don't want to see him back next year
If he would play for cheap and stay on the third or fourth line than maybe, but I just don’t see this happening.
here?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
and the trend continues - 35 seconds in
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I swear to all that is holy
it is my curse to never see the first goal.
but I did see Boston’s goal!
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
its because they keep happening so early!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
aaand another goal for Boston!
I don’t know if I should be cheering or just apathetically announcing this.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Cheer
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on May 25, 2011 8:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
but now it's tied
so…uhm…yay back & forth scoring?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
and tied
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
I just don't see
either of these teams beating VAN in a 7 game series, unless there is some crazy axis tilt.
Starting June 1, I’m going to try to forget hockey exists in the next 2 weeks.
I hope you're wrong
But I’m afraid you might be right.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on May 25, 2011 8:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
well
i live in hope
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Aw TimmyT
not happy there.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
damn
off the blocker, off the hip, in the goal
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
He should have had it.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on May 25, 2011 8:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
aw hi gramps
it’s been a while since I’ve seen you/been on SCH at the same time!
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Hi kiddo :-)
I’ve been lurking.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on May 25, 2011 8:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
can you still lurk in your old age?
or do you just sit on your porch, scowling at the damn young’uns on your lawn?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Ok
Between Boston and TBL, which team has the best chance to beat Vancouver?
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
Oh Shit, you rang?!?
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 25, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Version 2 (I'm bored still full of Nuck Hate!)
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 25, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think Boston
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on May 25, 2011 8:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Boston I think
They need to get their PP going though
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh Pierre
the way you say “juicy rebounds” is really really creepy.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
the way he says anything is really really creepy
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 25, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
what the hell
i don’t know what planet i was on but just realized the score is 4-2
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
These playoffs
except for like 1, maybe 2 series, have been full of teams that are just unable to close. Its ridiculous.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if anyone else finds these playoffs as ridiculous as we do?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
hah good question
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
ha, me too
for some reason i thought boston was winning
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 25, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought it was still tied.
I totally spaced apparently.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I would rather BOS just wins tonight
As so to give VAN less time to rest. God I’m going to hate the next few weeks.
same here
1 goal game now, maybe
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah that didn't last long
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Not anymore
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 25, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure the SCF dates are set
So it really does not matter if tonight or Friday.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 25, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw
that if BOS wins tonight, they open in VAN on 5/30. If there is a game 7, they open in VAN on 6/1.
Yep
Just heard that too
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 25, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm no goalie
but seems like Thomas seriously over commits sometimes. And then his guys aren’t there to save it
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
O-Lay????? (How ever the Hell you spell that Soccer song)
Really
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 25, 2011 9:26 PM CDT reply actions
It is a soccer song, but it's by one of my favorite bands, The Bouncing Souls
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
The band may be good (IDK have not listened to them)
But damn, that song makes me want to rip apart kittens with my barehands!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 25, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
but to be fair
their very existence makes me want to rip apart kittens with my bare hands. In case you couldn’t tell, I don’t really like cats…
by FrankStallone on May 26, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
1 goal game again
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
back to within a goal!
and a hat trick, Emrick said?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
indeed it is a hat trick for Krejci
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 25, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
that just looked like Downie wanted to kiss Marchand?
slow-mo made it look even more awkward
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
didn't see it
i’m seriously losing time here. don’t know when we got down to 45 seconds.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
you were close
apparently it was with Ference
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
on this i agree
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
and now like a scrum of course
On to game 7
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
what are they throwing on the ice?
definitely not towels…are those fans?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
haven't the foggiest
seems like of fan like though
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
they're throwing people onto the ice???
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 25, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
that would require a lot of upper body strength, I'd think.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
not if you throw the children
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 25, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmm
well, you’re SCH’s resident child- we can do this mythbusters style & see how well it works.
:D
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
.....
But I want one of those thickly-padded red suits
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on May 25, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
you really do have a gif for everything, don't you?
lol
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I claim the internet as my own personal art collection
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by LanceFister3 on May 25, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, with your bad knee Ed, you shouldn't throw anybody...
It’s true.
There are some who call me........Tim?
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on May 25, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
What kind of silly shit is that
It’s little rackets they’re throwing on the ice, right? Tampa owners thought it was a good idea to pass out projectiles to the mob. Bat day to tie in the Devil Rays must’ve not worked out.
by activestick on May 25, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
he seriously just said
we’re going to 7th heaven.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
he is so creepy
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on May 25, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Kopecky is controlled by the spirit of Boynton
And he proves that Q has partiality toward undeserving players and defensive liabilities. Hell, Cullimore was heads above Boynton defensively and he got sent down while Bonehead cost us games. Kopecky was the same deal, getting top 6 minutes while Brouwer goes to the 4th line. Something might have even clicked with Stalberg had he had a steady place. Kopecky is a lemming on skates. Not the liability we need going into next season.
by majasskicker79 on May 26, 2011 12:26 AM CDT reply actions
Does Tomokop get an award for hitting the ice more than any other player in the nhl?
4th line like last year and not making much, keep him. Outside of that, move on.
you might be sick, but you feel alright to me.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on May 26, 2011 8:25 AM CDT reply actions
I think RJ17
Might give him a run for most time on the ice. That’s like his face-off shtick. He basically falls on top of the other guy. Effective.
Re: Kopecky. I think I’m a little hard on Kop. I think he was put in situations that he should not have been put in. That’s not his fault. He is who he is. That’s Q’s fault for putting him there. A second line center? Kopecky??? srsly? He’s a much better player on the 4th, playing with an edge trying to show that he doesn’t actually belong on the 4th.
He’s got a lot of heart and he wants to win… short of brining him back knowing he’s a terrific 4th liner and that’s where he’ll play, I have to pass.
Ward?
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(Short sale pending)
by ChicagoNativeSon on May 26, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Boucher
should be coach of the year. Love the Lou Holtz “how can li’l ole Tampa compete against these great teams” mojo.
We like our people!
saw this this morning
according to this article, kopecky is headed out… but wait! that article only mentions it because… some guy on waxed poetic about his talent.
agree with the sentiment… but wow. what a clusterfuck of reporting.
grrr. thats supposed to be
“some guy on Bleacher Report waxed poetic”
is it totally impossible to get an edit function?
by oregon_hawk on May 26, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
Passing off a Bleacher Report column as an actual source.
But never forget, they’re legitimate journalists with degrees, we’re just tactless bloggers who have to answer to nobody.
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Thanks for the two years Koppy. I am eternally grateful for the SCF Game 1 winner against a totally out of position Boucher. Now go and get your pay day somewhere else
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by Detroit Must Die on May 26, 2011 7:32 PM CDT reply actions
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