Hawks Go Nuclear
by SamFels on Jun 25, 2011 2:18 AM CDT
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Well, you proved you've got some tires, don't ya? You wearing the daddy pants now? I guess you are. It's your show now, big boy. Do you know what you're doing?
We'll reserve judgement on your picks tonight. Mark McNeil will provide a bevy of Dan McNeil jokes, and that's fine. You've taken a big center who put up a boatload of points in the WHL. From what we've read, you're lucky he slipped this far. Well done. Time will tell.
Dagnault? Jury's still out. Points are impressive. Years away. Willing to wait. Whatever.
Moved Troy Brouwer. You know what? I really like Brouw, but I get it. A forward who hadn't quite proved he could consistently be a Top 6. That's fine. It would be my argument that some of that is being jerked around by Coach Q, but you trust Coach Q, as well you should. Brouwer's versatility may be his downfall. And you know what? You've got Jeremy Morin ready to skate those minutes -- assuming his brain isn't pancake batter. He's not as big, but might have more snarl and better hands and nose for goal. Not as big, but ok. But now you've got a team with no forwards with size other than Marian Hossa. Ok. Fine.
But then you really grew some, didn't you? You couldn't wait to unload what was considered Tallon's biggest mistake, could you? I get it, on some level. There was nothing Brian Campbell could do to justify that contract to a great swath of fans (those who need oxygen to the brain, but whatever). We never hesitated to say that he was overpaid, but we always pointed out the purpose that he and few others could serve. But now what, Stan? The basis of your success was built on having a premier rushing d-man on the ice for 40 minutes a night at least, between Keith and Campbell. Who does that now? Wasn't this regular season supposed to be about finding a way to reduce Keith's minutes? Wax on all you want about your cap space. Though he was a boatload of money, I at least know what campbell provided for his 7.1. You now have a tomato can for over 3. Good luck with that.
You think he can provide the offense by himself? Did you miss the 1342 shots he banked off the first set of shin-pads he could find?
You've just gone all in on Nick Leddy. What exactly did he prove that he could carry #3 man minutes? Did I watch the wrong games? This is a kid who has 60+ games out of college. We know you want to prove how swift you are about picking this kid up and forcing him upon the big club. Now? Well, you'd better be right, hadn't you? Because your coach's entire game is about moving out of the zone quickly, making the right first pass, making the right decision at the other blue line. Or, in another way, all the things Campbell specialized in. What if Leddy isn't up to it? What's the plan then? Skate Keith into the ground? The answer doesn't end in "Bieksa" or "Kaberle", I'll fucking tell you that.
Oh, and you just lost the one veteran voice you had in the room. While Captain Marvel was laughing off suggestions of missing the playoffs, while Patrick Kane was grinning like a goof, while Duncan Keith was throwing his teammates under the bus before admitting he didn't care for a portion of the season, Campbell knew exactly what the team was pissing away last year. And he didn't hesitate to say so. You got an idea to replace that?
But most of all, look at your team's record with and without him. Explain how you make up the difference.
So now your defense, which you've claimed your team is built from, has a undeniably elite top pair. It has a second pair made up of one d-man who took a giant step backward last year and now simply must make a bigger step forward (no promises there), and either a kid who is simply unproved and rushed or a signing that simply doesn't exist. Unless you have some plan to poach Shea Weber.
Your 3rd pair is non-existent. You've just given Chris Campoli all the leverage in the world, and you have no other answer besides that.
They tell me I should wait until July 2nd. But unless you've got some Copperfield shit planned for the 1st, you've got serious questions to answer. And I don't think you have it in you.
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Timing's interesting with Campbell trade
There’s definitely some interesting timing with the Campbell trade, why make the trade now before you can officially lock up Campoli first? I mean we are all just thinking that it’s a done deal but until the dotted line is signed nothing’s for certain. So now we’ve given all of our leverage away to Campoli and his agent know’s it. I expect perhaps 2-2.25mil a year for maybe 3 years?
I disagree
How did this give ANY leverage to Campoli and his agent?
He’s an RFA. He doesn’t have negotiating rights with other teams unless they tender an offer sheet.
Hawks send him a QO. If he likes it, he signs. If he doesn’t, he can fucking sit on his hands waiting for a better offer that may or may not come. If one comes, Hawks have the choice to match it or take the picks. If one doesn’t, he plays for the Hawks at the Hawks price, or he can sit out a season.
Where’s the leverage? I think he may have just lost some actually. If I’m another GM, I know that Campoli is now more important to the Hawks and I probably don’t want to come off as an ass and throw out an offer sheet knowing the Hawks are likely to match it. Sure, Wilson did it, but that’s extremely rare. So I doubt anyone will make a run at Campoli if the Hawks give him a fair (low, but in the ballpark) initial offer.
The trade was there and they made it. Possibly it was made early to open up some cap space? If my understanding is correct, Huet’s cap hit is back on the books for the summer and that eats up most of the 10% overage. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
You are correct sir
regarding the 10% overage that is
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
But do you think this gives Campoli leverage?
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
He may have hand, but I don't think he has leverage.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
pardon me if i get into semantics here...
but isnt hand = leverage
to me we just got rid of easily the second best hawk on the team last year…IMO this blog is OTFM
Second best Hawk last year?
Ok so Campbell is primarily an offensive player for the Hawks, CNS has shown us the stats on “when he plays.”
So looking at offensive GVT the Hawks are ranked:
Corey Crawford
Jonathan Toews
Patrick Sharp
Patrick Kane
Marian Hossa
Brent Seabrook
Bryan Bickell
Dave Bolland
Duncan Keith
Brian Campbell
Campbell had a great year last year. He did it by dramatically improving his defense. But it was defense in offensive situations against lesser opponents. He wasn’t playing against the top guys or in critical defensive zone draw situations. He is probably the 9th most important Hawk on the team? You just can’t pay that guy the extra 3.5M he was getting…
I believe that Campoli is arbitration eligible
So he does have that option, but I doubt an arbitrator would award him more than $1.5 mil
by FrankStallone on Jun 25, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure
but the Campbell trade doesn’t give him any leverage there
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
2 more cup-winners gone
The good news that’s coming better be outstanding…
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
This is the single thing I’m most distressed about. Bowman doesn’t make this move without some serious thought and planning, without summit-style discussions with others in the organization. I might not agree with it as a fan, but I’m okay with it. But ya …. it’s the disappearance of Cup winners that I hate.
www.mjt.org
but...
we still have Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabs, Sharp and Hossa. We still have the core group.
Very true. I’m on board with both moves, actually, I think they had to be done. I just think the loss of Cup winners is the main negative is all.
www.mjt.org
But here's the thing
If we’re all going to be playing GM, when do we attempt to move Soupy’s contract, now when we get the opportunity or a year or two down the road when possible injuries and better players being available elsewhere occur? I don’t see how StanBow had a choice here, and he had a willing partner to make it happen.
by Waylon on Jun 25, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Though I want Campbell to be here
and the Hawks probably also want Campbell to be here…
The offer was on the table – fish, or cut bait. All about the Benjamins.
Rostislav Olesz – lemme guess, this isn’t the 2nd line center we were praying for, right?
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
I'm not so sure how I feel about using the
“more cup-winners” gone sentiment.
Last summer, I was blown away at the moves that were made. But, like most everyone here, we all realized the necessity in moving the “outer core” players in efforts to keep the most integral ones.
So why now is the ache of losing cup-winners worse? Last year to me seemed like it hurt more, while this seemed like simple hockey moves.
I don’t like “more cup-winners” gone line because I don’t think that necessarily should be the only reason that qualifies someone to stay, get a (maybe undeserved?) pay raise, or be un-tradable. I understand that Soup fit the system with the types of skills he possessed, but to agonize over losing someone simply because they were a cup-winner? Doesn’t make sense
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
One of whom was a healthy scratch during the playoff run to the stanley cup to repeatedly disappearing in important games. Big deal man so he hit some people….did you watch any games after February this year?
I though we'd get one more year of Campbell before he left
As stated in the post, Nick Leddy now becomes possibly the most important player on the Hawks roster. How he plays could go a long way toward the success/failures of the team.
And another sweater bites the dust ….
Never Die Easy.
When they raised the lower end of the cap -
I thought this could happen. I guess it’s a strike while the iron is hot kind of thing.
I really wanted Campbell to stay, since we suck so bad while he’s not here. I’ve got a really bad feeling about this…
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
Aside from the gloom and doom part, I agree with you two
In a perfect world, Soupy stays another year while Leddy develops.
Here’s the rub though; in a year, Campbell is a 33 yr old defenseman making over $7M who relies on his speed and agility to perform. He also missed about 15 games in each of the last two seasons due to injury, so maybe the parts are starting to rust a bit, even if it isn’t apparent on the ice yet. That alone probably struck the fear of god into Hawks management.
Every year his contract becomes less trade-able. That’s what the Hawks were trying to avoid, right? – having an over-the-hill defenseman eating up cap space for umteen years. So why would any other team want that in the future when he’s already hit the “over-the-hill” part??
Like Joe said, “strike while the irons hot.” The only con IMO was it doesn’t fit perfectly with Leddy’s timetable and I thought the Hawks could’ve gotten a draft pick out of the deal. If Florida would’ve pawn two bad contract us on the Hawks like was originally reported, I would’ve been pissed about the deal. As it is, I have my personal hesitations because there is work to be done and Leddy is still a wildcard, but you have to take chances sometimes. I bet most of us never thought Keith would be a “wildcard” this past season. You can’t prepare for everything.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
… and his lowest point total since lockout.
I’m not bashing him, not at all, he was integral to this team, but at some point something needed to be done with that 7 million, I think that’s undeniable, and we simply didn’t hold all the cards in determining when would be best to do it.
www.mjt.org
I’m with both of you on this.
I’ve made no secret that the Campbell deal was never going to be on my “highlight reel”. Sure, it displayed (at the time) the scene that the ’Hawks were going to move forward and be a “championship team” no matter the cost that winning was a priority.
Fast forward to today, this was an even better move to rid yourself of a contract that would’ve become an even more of an albatross than it already was. Brian Campbell played a large role in help bringing the Stanley Cup back to Chicago and I’ll be always be thankful for that, but his time had come and passed and it was his time to go.
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by hawks61 on Jun 25, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good points
Hopefully Bowman gets a few real nice FAs come July, that make us all forget about Campbell.
Never Die Easy.
Ahh, memories
Soupy scores against Vancouver, Game 4
Couldn’t decide what he’s doing after scoring the goal. Throwing up gang signs?
Never Die Easy.
A-Fucking-Men
this was a huge discussion at the bars tonight, and why I’m glad this blog exists. I’ll reserve judgement for now, but I will say this: I hope Stanbow knows what the fuck he is doing because right now the direction is not clear at all. I’m hoping that by mid july the reasons for the moves today become clear, but a small part of me is nagging that this was a move to mold the team in his own image, and well we all know what happens when you worship a false god….
"You borderline molested the Stanley Cup man..."
by Sect. 330 Dweller on Jun 25, 2011 2:37 AM CDT reply actions
Assuming Campoli signs, I'd like to see our other D-Man
be more in the mold of a Seabrook type from a physical perspective and hopefully someone that can pull down heavy PK minutes so Kieth and Biscuit can actually get a breather in a game. Maybe a Montador type. I’d also wouldn’t be opposed to Hendry coming back as an insurance D-Man as we saw with the Canucks postseason D-Depth is important
Along those lines I’d say the same thing goes for offense, I’d like to see some grittier 4th line guys that can play the PK if necessary
This.
Just this.
Absolutely terrible. I have never hated a GM as much as I hate Stan Bowman. He is quite clearly unqualified for the role, and banking completely on the name his father made coaching… not managing, but coaching.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Plus
This is the guy that said he hoped John Scott would move up and assume a heavier defensive role.
Yes, and I hope to be living on a colony on Mars sometime before I die.
God, I hope this guy’s email and personal phone number leaks. I’ve never wanted to actually berate a man for being a fucking intellectual cripple, but I sure as hell did after I heard about this trade.
Terrible.
Argh.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
I’ve never wanted to actually berate a man for being a fucking intellectual cripple
I’m gonna do my best to avoid that too.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
psycho
God, I hope this guy’s email and personal phone number leaks.
You’ve got issues, man, and they go far beyond a Hawks trade.
Obviously I was fucking drunk and high when I wrote that
It was like 3am on a Friday.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Did you just defend youself against having issues
by saying you were drunk and high at the time?
Okay then.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Fun night with friends.
Got home at 3am, read the news.
Sorry if you’re a straight edge or something. I’m not.
But rest assured, I am totally crying about the fact that some random dude on the internet does not think highly of me.
Really. Tears.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
lol
for real. my issue this saturday is that its almost 1pm and i’m not drunk or high. wtf.
"...can i have a glass of whiskey and a slice of bread?"
by west_fulton on Jun 25, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt (regarding late nite drunk posting)
I was bummed too. – But I understand.
Stan will always have to take shit for the way he became GM. Like it or not, he’s got the keys. Maybe he can pull this off. 2 years from now, these deals will look very different.
I’ll say this – it took some Brass Balls to make these moves. My take on Stan is he seems to understand the Cap better than most GMs. – I sure don’t.
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
not so obvious
Besides, what difference does it make? Drunk and high personal harassment – which you were obviously gung ho for last night – is still personal harassment.
Just saying, not cool.
Come on, now.
and what does that sig mean anyway?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
It means
It’s accurate to say a canuck has won the cup, but you still can’t say a Canuck has won the cup.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
I'm sorry but
This sucks. Guys like Campbell are incredibly hard to find and no matter what pieces you wind up with after spending the 4 million in cap room it’s going to end up being a 3 quarters for a dollar trade. If this UFA crop was better I might not be as upset, but this blows.
If you move Campbell to make room for Jeff Carter who has a lifetime deal at ~5 million and is 26, that’s one thing. If you move him to make room for Richards it’s just going to put you right back where you were, only you’re going to have a 31 year old with a 7 year deal instead of a 32 year old with 5 years left on his deal and you’ll have just as many needs, only in different places.
Last years Hawks team felt like it needed one hard to find piece and two easy to find pieces to be a champion.
Now the team needs two hard to find pieces and at least two easy to find pieces and that’s being generous and assuming Rostislav Olesz isn’t a flaming bag of dog feces, which isn’t exactly something I’m going to take for granted.
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 25, 2011 3:24 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Feeling this post.
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
http://rock-on-chicago.blogspot.com/
by Campbell32 on Jun 25, 2011 4:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Campbell32!!!
I guess it must be the feeling Verstig went through last summer.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
ha!
and speaking of Verstig, last summer must have really scarred him. Haven’t seen him around in some time.
haha, yeah.
Now I know what he felt like. I haven’t been around much lately either, but you had to know I’d be commenting after an occurrence like this. Always loved Soupy. Will miss the hell out of him, and will (hopefully not) wind up being really angry about this trade. Unless Stanbow pulls off some magic stuff, of course.
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
http://rock-on-chicago.blogspot.com/
Wrong Campbell
Schwing!
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 3:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
hehehe
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
http://rock-on-chicago.blogspot.com/
Calm down, Sam
Let’s reserve the histrionics for a day that isn’t well, a week after the conclusion of the 2010-2011 season.
Did the Hawks likely mortgage their stanley cup window for next season? Yes, they probably did. However, did the Hawks set themselves up, at least financially, to build an elite contending franchise that can maintain that level of play for 2, 3, 4, 5, or more years? They very well may have.
Don’t get me wrong, and don’t mistake me for a mouth-breather. I am shocked that Soupy is gone, and I didn’t necessarily want him out. On the otherhand, consider the Salary cap officially a non-issue for the Blackhawks. They have the flexibility to put plenty of depth behind Hossa, Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, and Sharp. That doesn’t sound too bad to me. Be honest with yourself SCHers. If thought that anyone outside of that aforementioned list of players (you can probably even exclude Hossa from that list) was untouchable you were lying to yourself or you are just plain delusional.
I will never defend Stan’s rather standoffish personality, or his inability to admit a mistake. I will give it to him that he has the stones to make an unpopular move for the future health of this franchise. Although we bitched about the lack of call ups as Stan penny pinched on the salary cap over the course of the season. He probably figured the core was good enough to get the team to playoffs (he was right, just barely, but nonetheless right) and then used the cap savings to put together a team at the deadline that could contend (only missed it by a misplaced Sharp shot and a bad turnover in OT).
Lets be honest, how much time was left before Soupy’s contract turned from a tolerable inconvenience to an intolerable eyesore? Could we count on Soupy to play a full season without injury? Were the Hawk’s struggles purely defined by Campbells absence or a lack of sufficient depth behind him? A hard question to answer honestly.
Long term, you look at the balance, and sustainable depth that can be put around our core, I can’t help but think that the next big playoff run won’t be promptly followed by a firesale. True, it was a luxury to have the amount of high end talent on the blue line that we did, but it was a luxury that we couldn’t easily afford, nor was it a luxury that was going to last for much longer. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with a defense that is highlighted by an elite pairing and supported by balanced quality throughout the bottom two pairings (Nashville anyone?)
Richards still isn’t gong to be a Blackhawk, I’m thinking the hawks are more so interested in adding sturdy moderately priced talent around the roster. I am also not convinced that Olesz is a long term player here. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends the summer somewhere else.
I am shocked by the day’s events, but, I also have enough sense to recognize that we in the blogosphere do not know all that is going on behind the scenes, we don’t have the full picture, and so any pre-emptive histrionics are purely emotive hysteria.
Sam, I recognize that hysteria sells, man, but calm the fuck down until we get the whole picture.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 25, 2011 3:32 AM CDT reply actions 10 recs
If, by august, our team looks anything like this, I'll take it, gladly.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Erik Cole ($3.500m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Jeremy Morin ($0.886m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Michael Frolik ($2.000m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
Drew Miller ($1.000m) / Vernon Fiddler ($1.200m) / Ben Smith ($0.812m)
/ Jake Dowell ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Matt Carle ($3.437m) / Nick Leddy ($1.116m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Chris Campoli ($2.000m)
Marc-Andre Bergeron ($1.500m) / John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.666m) / Alexander Salak ($0.612m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,375,129; BONUSES: $780,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,924,871
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 25, 2011 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I fuckin like you, DMD.
I agree 100%. It’ll be tough to pull all of that off, but it’s definitely doable now.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 25, 2011 11:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
looks good to me
and I like that you didn’t spend every penny. That money can go to Sharp and a portion of the cap increase next year can be applied to Bolland.
Cole is RW. And definitely fits the third line.
We need a gritty Center more than a winger. Brooks Laich is durable and well in our price range. The Campbocolypse stuff is only going to make fools out of people that play into the hysteria. There are 6 elite Dmen that go UFA in 6 days.
I’m glad you used capgeek.com because I think many people and especially Sam can’t do math. After signing Crow and Brouwers raise we have… last year’s team. Good enough to back into the playoffs and lose game seven of the first round one. Next year we are still shallow at the point and undersized. Bigger problems then a 32 year old Dman who plays worse every year.
by Daniel Beckman on Jun 25, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure it feels nice to just forget about Mr. Olesz and his 3.125 cap hit
but you probably shouldn’t
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Hack,
If the Richards, Carter, and Campbell deals prove anything, its that any player is tradeable in this current market. If Stan’s real goal is to clear salary space, then I expect he’ll be shopping Olesz around to other teams in need of reaching the cap floor.
If no one wants him there other avenues, He could be assigned, I doubt he’ll be bought out, but the Hawks can carry a cap overage into October and then assign him. I suspect that the only reason we have Olesz, for now, is that taking on his contract was the only way that Stan could dump Campbell’s. Like I said, I don’t see Olesz on the Hawks’ roster long term.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 27, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
did the Hawks set themselves up, at least financially, to build an elite contending franchise that can maintain that level of play for 2, 3, 4, 5, or more years?
I can’t wait to be the new San Jose Sharks. A successful franchise like that. Good thing we got that on lock-down.
last time a I checked the Hawks weren't built around a core of notorious playoff wallflowers
so your point doesn’t hold much water
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 25, 2011 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions
And last time a I checked
Without Soups in the lineup, the Hawks played like complete shit. So yeah. I think my point holds some fucking water, thank you very much.
"Past performance does not guaranty future results"
That Hawks team isn’t the same Hawks team that will hit the ice next year. So we really don’t know how they’ll play.
Aside from death and taxes, one thing is guaranteed though – any time Leddy makes a mistake, it will be the highlight of the post game summary.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you know the Hawks' record from the last two seasons
When soupy’s in the lineup vs. when he’s out?
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
This year 9-7-2 (I’m counting the game where he played 7 minutes and shouldn’t have even dressed to begin with)
Last year 8-4-2 and 1-2 in the playoffs against Nashville
by SludgeFeast on Jun 25, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea people keep suggesting this,
but I don’t know the precise numbers.
I feel pretty calm about this trade, so maybe if someone posted the #’s I could quietly join in and freak out?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
And also rec'd
because its a thoughtful statement of the view which I’m not feeling this morning but can see. And hope turns out to be correct.
by Paul the Fossil on Jun 25, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Your post made me feel much better about the entire situation
And I thank you for that.
Never Die Easy.
Do not want.
If he really wanted to get rid of Campbell’s contract, Stan could have waited a year and would’ve been able to get back more than some guy who’s falling apart at 25. Let Leddy develop at least a little more before throwing him to the wolves.
I get it, Olesz makes $4mil less than Soupy, but he’s also apparently held together with duct tape and elmers glue. Really? This guy is all he could get for Brian Campbell? Uncle Dale couldn’t at least throw in a pick? (even then, I still would think it’s a pretty shitty deal) Couldn’t get a forward from elsewhere who can hit someone without a body part falling off?
Olesz makes a little less than half of what Soupy, but from what it looks like, he’s not even 3/7 as talented as Soupy.
Unless Stan can dump Olesz on someone else and get his more-overpaid-than-Soupy 3.1 off the books in order to be able to sign/trade for a useful part…this is an awful trade.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jun 25, 2011 3:45 AM CDT reply actions
Gotta Lloyds of London guarantee on this?
Stan could have waited a year and would’ve been able to get back more than some guy who’s falling apart at 25.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
this
I’m not willing to gamble the future of this team by not making this move. Love Soupy, I think we’re a much better team with him on it, but there will be other players that make us a better team, but only if we can afford to bring them on/keep them on our team.
by aeroplane on Jun 25, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
could have waited a year?
with what evidence?
With so many teams struggling to hit the cap FLOOR this was by far the best time to do it.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why people shouldn't get a job
Just because Daddy before them was successful. Way to shoot yourselves in the foot Hawks. Way to fucking go.
this
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions
LOZ
This is becoming more and more like the two camps in the great Huater-Niemi debate!
We need names for our teams people!
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Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Team Practical and Team Fuck Stan Bowman.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 25, 2011 11:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn't there any comfort in the fact
That Stan’s dad is still in the picture.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 4:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
should have scrolled down before i posted.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 26, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
if you think stan is the ONLY one pulling the strings,
you’re high. like a poster mentioned above, there are organizational meetings held before decisions like this are made. they were handcuffed by his contract.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 26, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
just woke up
with a brutal hangover..
and this greets me.
maybe there’s a masterplan behind it all, but I’m with Sam on this one. Do you remember what it was like without Soup last season? Welcome to the desert of the real kids..
This sucks.
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
yea except not
The Hawks went 35-23-7 with Soupy in the lineup. That’s 1.18 points per game.
They went 9-6-2 with him out of the lineup. That’s 1.17 points per game.
In conclusion, everyone calm the fuck down.
-hungryhungrypanda
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want to pay Brouwer 2 mil a year
BUT, I will pay the oft-injured Olesz 3 mil. Yes. That is a good plan.
/stanbowman’d
makes perfect sense to me
You effectively lose one NHL ready player in last night’s dealings but pick up $6 million in salary cap ($7.1 million – $1.1 million (difference in Olesz’s and Brouw’s salaries)). That $6 million buys you Sharpy’s extension (+$2.2mil) and a $4 million a year defensemen. Plus, it gives us a chance at another prospect.
Olesz is a guy that can give us 25-35 points, depending on health. It also gives us the size that Sam claims we gave up on with Brouwer.
Not a terrible move, depending on who replaces Soupy and how Washington’s draft pick turns out.
Yeah, but just watch what the Meatheads will immediately start saying
The same ingrates who complained endlessly about Soupy’s contract will now start ripping StanBow to shreds over this one.
Asking as a Caps’ fan, is that the sense of what Brouwer was asking for? $2m?
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
That's the thinking
But it’s hard to say if his demands were outrageous or if he was just never a Quenneville guy. Probably a bit of both.
I think anything over $2mil for Brouwer is too much.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Looking at his BtN page, I’m not inclined to disagree. The only thing I see as big-ish value there is his penalty differential (something the Caps definitely need more of) and his ability to push Jason Chimera off the third line (Jesus, I hope so, anyway).
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
… and then he’ll go 20+ games without a goal and subsequently hate his guts and wonder where he went to.
Love/Hate relationship at best.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Please, we’ve got first-line players occupying that role. We’ve got the worrying about slumps part down.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I really hope that's a reference to Poolhall Junkies
“I been knowing Charles since he was knee high to a duck”
Never Die Easy.
Another Caps fan here — how is Brouwer defensively? Can he be counted on? I can read the numbers on goals, points, hits, and PIMs as well as anyone, but defense, responsibility, discipline, and judgment are always hard to judge from an NHL.com page. What do you all think of him?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes you'll be happy, other times you'll just be "WTF"
That’s about the best description you’re gonna’ get on Brouwer in both ends. I can think of good defensive plays and then I can remember a game vs. SJS where he totally blew his assignment that led to an easy goal for the Sharks.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I was never super impressed with TBrouw's defensive responsibility
he’s not awful, but he never made my list of most defensively responsible.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
This
A bit of a floater, he’s got some decent hands and is a good presence in front of the net. Doesn’t use his weight to his advantage as much as he should, average shot and average wheels. Doesn’t take bad penalties often.
I agree with all of this except the "weight" thing
I believe he still ended up in the top 10 in hits least season. Also, he is simply just a very likeable character.
I agree, I just said that sometimes you'll be happy with his performance
I was never super or even mildly impressed with his defensive play. I guess I should have said that sometimes he does what he is supposed to do. My bad.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
He wasn't an obvious trainwreck....but Q used to sit him down and demote him for some of his defensive play.
Throws a lot of hits….some you will notice….some you wont.
Somehow scores 20 a season.
Enigma.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Offensively he could be really good
The guy has definite talent in that part of his game, so if the Caps ever get him to reach his full potential, you’d be quite happy with him.
Not great
Not great instincts in own zone, not great with the puck.
Physical, decent effort. His biggest assets are on O. He could score 30+ with the right linemates.
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by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 4:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Brouwer
Gould Old Days, Brouwer had a really tough defensive year. He was primed to take one of the top two LW slots for the Hawks and he kept getting into Q’s doghouse.
Hawks had problems with their second line center slot. Both Kopecky and Sharp really struggled defensively trying to fill that spot. Outside of those two, Brouwer was the worst defensive forward on the team. And Q really “protected” him in the defensive zone as best he could and Brouwer still had issues.
That is why he was available in my opinion.
Who's available in free agency?
They said something on the draft show about the Hawks now being able to be players in free agency. So who are we looking at that could the team now?
PS
Does Stan remember the Nashville series before the won the cup? How they couldn’t beat Nashville til Campbell came back and then they kicked their ass? Maybe he has short term memory loss like the guy in Memento? I think Stan needs to go to Jade Dragon so he can remember these things.
by ChewyLemonHeadsAndFriends on Jun 25, 2011 6:13 AM CDT reply actions
it's not just free agency...
we can also trade some of our 2nd round picks + prospects.
It’s surprising to see so many on here jumping off the deep end while the rest of the hockey world curses Tallon for giving us this cap flexibility.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
He probably remembers
But he didn’t trade the 31-year-old Campbell from the 2010 playoffs. He traded the 33-year-old Campbell of the 2012 playoffs. Know what I mean?
The question isn’t, “Has Campbell been awesome for this team over the last couple years?” Of course he has. The question is, “How awesome is he likely to be going forward? And if we don’t do this now, how likely is it that his contract will become a unbearable weight on the franchise?”
Bottom line is, this is a good move or a bad one, but it’s not a personal slight of Campbell either way. I don’t doubt that the organization recognizes and values what he’s done for the team. But they’re not the Yankees operating without a salary cap, you know? They gotta do what they gotta do.
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by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 4:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Turn out that not only is someone crazy enough to spend 7 mildo on 30 yr old Campbell
There’s also a guy willing to spend 7 million on a 33 yr old Campbell. – Who knew?
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"There's also a guy"
In fairness, it’s the same guy.
I will reserve judgement until the roster is set
But you’re not making it easy for me, Stan. Not easy at all.
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by Germware on Jun 25, 2011 6:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
this
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by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Can the blackhawks
buy out Olesz?with him being under 25 wouldn’t that make his cap hit 650,000 for the next like 6 years?which would give the hawks an additional 2.5 mil in cap room?or perhaps they can trade him for a lower cap hit, and some later draft picks…Everyone is already wanting to stone StanBow, but I’m waiting for free agency, i think with the additional cap room the hawks can have a good deep team, which is needed to win the cup
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jun 25, 2011 6:52 AM CDT reply actions
YES PLEASE
If that’s all it will cost to buy him out, Stan better be writing the check now. That $3 million (well, $2.4 million) can be put to a lot better use than Olesz.
Rostislav Olesz buyout from CapGeek.com
2011-12: $372,222
2012-13: -$227,778
2013-14: -$477,778
2014-15: $647,222
2015-16: $647,222
2016-17: $647,222
by J-Town All Star on Jun 25, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe so.
per cap geek:
Rostislav Olesz is 25 years old on the buyout date of June 25, 2011, setting the buyout ratio at 1/3 and the total buyout cost at $3,883,333 spread over 6 years. His contract was originally valued at $18,750,000 beginning in 2008 and ending in 2014, with $11,650,000 remaining from the buyout year forward. The following is a season-by-season breakdown of the buyout. A negative buyout cap hit indicates a credit.
by J-Town All Star on Jun 25, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I have never heard of a cap credit, but I am not a capologist. The buyout looks tempting. But so does seeing if he can actually play and the AHL is always an option as aeroplane states below
by J-Town All Star on Jun 25, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Bruins had one for two years for buying out Eaves. I don’t fully understand it but it has to do with how much actually salary remains to be paid vs cap hit
welcome back btw!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd wait to see how he fares first...
The guy can be a very useful player if healthy. If not, bury him in the AHL.
agreed
just posting the numbers.
Little bored at work this morning
by J-Town All Star on Jun 25, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Rostislav Olesz - Who is your Daddy? - and what does he do?
Is this guy worth a bleep? – I’ve never heard of him.
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
no
he’s injured. Undergoing knee surgery. We can’t buy him out until he’s healthy, at which point, the buyout period will be over.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
Ugh - did StanBo know he was hurt when he traded for him? [sarcasm]
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
Probably. He's been injured since he was drafted pretty much
No worries, this was the plan all along!
What do the Hawks get out of this trade?
Either $2-3M in Cap Space, after replacement is found and signed that may be able to do what Soupy did,
OR hope that someone on the team can do what he did, but has not come close to showing they can do it.
Either way, the Hawks lost a known key component, for $2-3M or Hope somebody who has not filled his shoes can fill his shoes. The Hawks gain very little to nothing with this trade except Hope, and lose an awful lot with with it, a key part of the Hawks team play on both ends, who will stand up and say what is needed to the team.
The Hawks lose out on this trade many more ways then they make out, they are a worse team, they have a big hole in the defense scheme needed for the team they have and style of play used, the lost experience, a leader, and gained very little in return for it.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 6:59 AM CDT reply actions
Somehow I am doubting this $2-3M will have much if any bearing on that.
If it was at that point, there were others option to make that room to keep Shooter.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
it definitely makes Sharpy’s contract a non-issue. As it was, we were somewhat scraping to get by this summer. Without this move, we would have been scraping to get by next summer as well.
Scraping to get by for the next five years
fixed
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I seriously hope
that keeping Sharp cost the Hawks $2-3 million in Cap.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Very, very harsh.
Campbell’s 32. Mighta been the one moment to give themselves $7mil flexibility moving forward. Change really sucks.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Change is fine if it is for the better
But this is just Hope and change, and relying on just hope and change for the sake of change, does not often get you what you really want.
Campbell was a known, and now a hole is in the lineup, with only hope it can be filled.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I still think its
too early to judge this as a bad trade….if the hawks get additional depth with the cap space they have i think they will be fine….they have set themselves up as players in free agency, now it depends on who they decide to sign….add a guy on D and some grit and depth up front, and i think they will be fine
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jun 25, 2011 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions
If they sign a D-man who can do what Soupy does
It will cost $4-5Myr. The Hawks just took a a huge gamble in hoping they CAN do this for $2-3M. IMO this was not worth the risk, because if they can’t fill it, this is a huge problem!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Ummm...
i think they can find someone to do what soupy did….he wasn’t on the firt power play unit, he wasn’t a primary penalty killer either….the guy could skate like the wind, but he didnt’ really play against the other teams top lines either….don’t get me wrong i thought soupy was great, but i just think he is easier to replace than everyone says he is
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jun 25, 2011 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
The reason Soup wasn’t on the first unit in Chicago, unlike Buffalo or San Jose, is because our coach didn’t put him there. And if you think he is easy to replace, name two defensemen who can skate, pass, and stickhandle as well as he can while maintaining a team best /-. I’ve been following hockey for 30 years and I haven’t seen a defenseman with his skating ability.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Jun 25, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
i agree, he wasn't on the
first unit because of Q, and ok you are probably right about that, but there was a reason he wasn’t on the PK…i think he is a great puck mover, i just don’t think he is that great of a defenseman….i agree, his skating is amazing, but in the end the Hawks needed help with the cap, and the best way to do so was to move soupy….if the hawks use the cap room wisely, and become a deeper team because of it i think they will be fine, that is all i am saying
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jun 25, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
For what it's worth
QUALCOMP
-0.23 Campbell
-0.42 Leddy
OFFENSIVE ZONE STARTS
60.3% Campbell
61.6% Leddy
OFFENSIVE ZONE FINISHES
53.2% Campbell
54.0% Leddy
CORSI QUALITY OF COMPETITION
-0.311 Campbell
-0.349 Leddy
Almost identical.
I AM NOT SAYING that Leddy = Campbell. Not yet. Maybe one day.
I AM SAYING that a one of the highest paid players in the league with a $7.1M cap hit was being placed in the same situations as a 19 yr old rookie making $1.1M.
So if Leddy can continue to improve in the situations he was placed, Leddy is your Campbell replacement for $6M fucking less. Sure, he not Campbell yet, but you don’t have to identically REPLACE players. We went into this last summer. There’s a ton of money to improve elsewhere now.
Such a deal!
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't be so positive and objective, CNS!11!
This is Brian Campbell We suck so much ass without him in the lineup
1 Duncan Keith is gonna die, and Stan isn’t gonna do anything right after the 1st
FUCK!!
….
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 25, 2011 11:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly
No way a team can afford over 7M a year for a guy used the way the Hawks used Campbell.
And Campbell was brought in to be this offensive force and he was putting up offensive GVT numbers similar to Wiz and Wideman. So his production is in the 3.25 to 3.9 range and he was getting 7M+…
Seriously some people need to take a chill pill. To paraphrase a famous political quote “it is about the salary cap, stupid.” The Hawks are spending 3M more on their second line RW then is typically spent for that position and 3 to 3.5M more on Campbell then is typically spent for his slot. The Hawks simply can’t afford that 6M+ less cap space compared to teams they are competing with.
Because of those two salaries the Hawks keep trying to fill in the top two LW slots with guys who are either stepping up in class like Kopecky or are not yet ready like Stalberg. If you want Kane to be anything more then a PPG player he needs a better winger then that.
And if you want anything for that 5.5M salary given to Hossa, he needs a better opposite winger as well.
And for all those that keep saying “the Hawks are lost when Campbell is hurt” could you please stop? If you pay your 4th defensemen 7M+ you can’t afford to pay for decent 5th and 6th defensemen. So when Campbell got hurt this year you had three 500K guys playing defense. Of course you are going to be bad when you can’t afford more quality backups.
This was a no brainer move and I am surprised it wasn’t more costly for the Hawks. Seriously, it only cost taking back Olesz’ contract? Worse comes to worse that contract can be burried in the minors without a cap hit. Again, this is a no brainer move…
by DaleHalas on Jun 25, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
you are much more eloquent
than I’ll ever be, good sir.
I rec’d this, but I think you’re underestimating Campbell’s contributions outside of pure production. Are those contributions worth $4 or $5 million given our other weaknesses and our cap? No. Either this trade happens or we continue to depend on Ben Smiths, John Scotts, and Marcus Krugers for our deep playoff runs.
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Well put DH
Question:
Do you think the Hawks slot Leddy on the 2nd line and go after a high profile partner for him?
Or do they slot Hammer and Campoli there, and get a $1.5-2M guy to pair with Leddy on the 3rd line along with another alternative in the $1-1.5M range? They’d then have extra money to spend elsewhere.
Option 1 gives them probably the best starting defense in the league, but leaves them thin on reserves.
Option 2 still gives them a very good defense and spreads out the talent so that one injury doesn’t bring down the whole cart. It also allows for improvement on the forward corps.
Option 2 might make more sense, but I’m leaning towards Option 1. With Olsen in the system and hopefully ready in a year or two, Hawks can now afford to “overpay” to bring in another marquee player on a 1 or 2 yr deal, therefore not missing a beat (this should work for all those who think the Hawks just pissed away any short term chance of winning the Cup).
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Between you and DH
you summed up everything I wanted to write. As to the remaining question, I think the top-three “puck-movers” will be DK, Campoli and Leddy. Whether or not Leddy gets second-pair minutes will depend on whether he outplays Campoli. If SB gets a D-man, it will either be to push Hammer down or replace Hendry as sixth D. I think the latter is more likely.
Options
Hey CNS, your options both have 72 as a given. I’m not so sure it really is. I could easily see Seabrook/Hjammer in defensive situations and Leddy/Keith in offensive ones.
And I agree with your assessment below that force feeding Leddy could very well have been because the “plan all along” was to move Campbell.
As to your question, I think the answer depends on “how much money they have left.” The Hawks have these huge investments in Kane and Hossa. They really need to complement those two better.
I could easily see the Selke candidate and the Hart candidate on different lines. I’ve always thought the Hawks could use a “really big” center in between Sharp and Kane.
Makes more sense to spend some of the money there and with whatever is left get the stay at home second line Power Kill defensemen. And who that is would, IMO, more determine the rest of the lines 5on5.
Interesting
It’s not like we didn’t see Keith-Leddy for half of Leddy’s game already.
After I posted that, I realized that Option 2 makes much much more sense. I was stuck in a train of thought that even I knew didn’t make as much sense.
Plus, like Chico said, there’s likely no one out there who would come over for a year or two, and the RFA’ s would be too costly to pry away.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Haven't seen you around in awhile
Don’t disappear, that’s a great post.
Lots of possibilities out there.
Isn’t only one way to win.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
No,
But the team is based on Speed and the Breakout, with sound defenseman. NOT getting that in return effects this whole style of play for the team, lines 1-4. This type of move has the ability to really through off the teams playing style, he was not a role player to fit in with what is running, he was a part of what ran the system.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions
SB strikes no one as a gunslinger,
He’s an accountant who will balance the books before doing anything…just wait for the other shoe to drop
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by Saskjet on Jun 25, 2011 7:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This is only a valid statement
if the Hawks don’t spend to near the cap, amiright?
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
And they WILL spend to the cap
The fans wouldn’t care for doing anything on the cheap at this point.
Very happy with our two draft picks....
Both are high charactor kids with talent. McNail will big toughness with a scoring touch. The big question is who will fill Brouwer’s role ? I really believe the stage has been set for Beach. Stan called out Beach just the other day.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
He had to go...you take the offer for a 32 year old 7 million man because you don't think it will come around again
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jun 25, 2011 7:21 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Vis
“… they found someone nutty enough to take on Campbell’s diminishing offensive numbers and $7,142,875 annual cap hit.
Namely, the guy who was nutty enough to give it to him in the first place.”
Per PD
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jun 25, 2011 7:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Quoting Puck Daddy...
Was Don Cherry unavailable for comment?
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Jun 25, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
At least
he didn’t quote a PD commenter to solidify an opinion, right?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Sam sounds like he was shot when he wrote this....
Campbell’s contract cost this team last year, glad Dale Tallon is a GM somewhere, because no other GM would take the bait….
#itshouldabeenhammer
There. I said it.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Scotty Bowman disagrees
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 4:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i think we all need a dose of calm down and breathe here
i loved campbell. his incessant spin-o-ramas both made me cheer at the tv while at the same time making me rage a little inside.
however, people throwing up their arms in dismay and proclaiming the end of the hawks are just as bad as those saying every move bowman made yesterday is going to get us a cup for 3 years straight.
so lets take a deep breath, relax, and see how things play out in the next few months.
fair point
I guess we have to wait for FA to see just what is going on as regards the other shoe..
But it had better be good…
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm conflicted
Brian Campbell was supremely important to what the Hawks do. He will be terribly missed. Troy Brouwer was an enigma whose time was up in Chicago, so good riddance.
But now what? My theory is that Bowman shall attempt to pull off a trade for a primetime LW to pair with Toews and Kane. A name that will shock the shit out of us. Cole? Could be the backup plan.
Brad Richards? I doubt it. And I’m okay with that.
Nick Leddy? I just haven’t seen what makes the organization so apparently high on this kid. To me he was thoroughly unimpressive as a rookie. Don’t see him at all replacing the dynacism and puck movement qualities that Campbell brought to the ice.
Looks like Bowman also shall acquire a real grindy SOB to pair with Chris Campoli. THe grit is about to cometh. I guess.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
In Leddy's defense
He’s very young, particularly for a defenseman. He also didn’t have much experience against top-flight competition before last year. It’s a little early to be throwing him into the fire, but I think in the future he’ll be a fine defenseman. May be cringe-worthy at times next season, however.
it was his size...
that really hampered him to no end. If he’s able to pick up 10 lbs of muscle, he’ll be much more effective IMO.
Most 19 year old pimply faced defensemen are thoroughly unimpressive.
Ledd will be good, in time.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 25, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Summing up "Meatball Nation"
“Campbell can be replaced by resigning Sopel”
My head hurts.
by CjSax on Jun 25, 2011 8:12 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Put Murdersaurus out dere
A guy dat big, he’s gotta have a boomin’ slapshot!
Fucking meatbags…
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Jun 25, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Frolik
I’ll say this once. I like Michael Frolik, but it shall be a stupid mistake to overpay to retain his services. Too many people are overrating what Frolik can really be. I want him back, but for the love of God let him walk if the dollars are too much.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
It really shouldn't be a problem
he’s RFA and not arbitration elligible. He can accept the ’Haws QO, he can hope that someone else gives him a better offer sheet (which the ’Hawks have the option of matching should they so choose), or he can sit out the year. Those are his only 3 options.
by FrankStallone on Jun 25, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
To Michael Frolik
Last year was a train wreck. Sign up with a winner or take the money to play with Fuckville.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 4:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
July 1st
just became a fairly important day, eh?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
I wonder
How coach Q’s ulcer is.
by theycannevertake2010fromus on Jun 25, 2011 8:20 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Regardless of one's opinion of this trade
I think we all agree that we want at least a little transparency from Stanbow when he addresses the media. I fear that all we’ll get is mentions of “additional flexibility,” “still evaluating our options,” and “Leddy and Scott will have big roles.”
Another thought
Looking forward, could the uncertainty about the next CBA have played a role in the Soupy trade? You have to imagine the owners will collectively seek some sort of relief from the rising cap, so perhaps there won’t be as much flexibility after this season.
Gee, glad I stopped reading anything after 6 last night
Figured nothing was going to happen regarding Soupy – but the only comforting thought is that I really don’t think StanBow makes a move like this without extensive consults with his father. So yeah, that’s the only thing not making me reach for the dirty razor blades right now. Also – does anyone else think that this means they’re really, really banking on Klinkenhoffermair (kidding) making the big club next season? Sure seems like it.
As the smoke starts to clear this morning, I am wondering about the early leak regarding the NTC
Smells a little like McCub; and didnt the original “Campbell won’t waive the NTC” come from Jesse?
by CjSax on Jun 25, 2011 8:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
This was a once in a blue moon opportunity to move Campbell
With the cap rising, every team in the league is thinking of trading their garbage contracts to Florida, you just happen to have one that’s attached to a valuable (but not that valuable) player. If, say, Scott Gomez gets traded there first, you’re stuck.
Secondly, the cap rise coincides with a glut of mobile, puck moving defensemen hitting the market. While one can debate if any of Kaberle, Bieksa, etc are improvements or not, the fact remains that this is a rare condition and affords the flexibility to move what will ultimately become an unmovable albatross of a contract
Pity you take Olesz, but there are ways to dispose of the body
RE: Bieksa
Not going anywhere.
And how much do people think Kaberle will go for?
Moot point, i was just grabbing D names off the top of my head.
As to Kaberle, I argued this at length w/ PPP the other day. They think around 5. No way Boston willingly gives him any more than Seidenberg’s 3.2. I’m thinking he’ll be hard pressed to make much over what he was earning before given playoff performance, somewhere in the 4-4.25 range.
the price is steep...
but he’s perhaps the only high-priced player in the world I’d be willing to bring on at this juncture (no Brad Richards, please).
I've seen a bunch lately and I'm just trying to figure out why
No Brad Richards?
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Brad's older
and would he really make an already potent offense a much better team? Webber makes a top heavy defense (arguably our weakness last season) the best in the NHL (assuming we bring back Campoli).
I'm not saying anything about Weber, that's a pipe dream
But I don’t understand why anyone would turn down a guy who’s perpetually among the top 10 scorers in the league, a forward who can actually play the point on the power play, and most of all, a guy who plays the most important forward position for a team who seems to have a shortage of guys who can play there.
If he gets upward of $7M, fine, I get that. But I don’t understand people simply just brushing him away because they think he’s too expensive or not worth it.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you. My main concern here is that Richards is probably looking for a contract term that would take him to retirement. That’s pure guess on my part, mind you. But if that is the case, I don’t want two Hossas on my hands.
www.mjt.org
if he came cheap, sure I’d take him. But I’d rather put most of our resources on shoring up our defense. To me it’s much more important to give Keith support than it is to find a 2C.
Shoring up the defense won't take more than $4-5 million or so
That would still give them the flexibility to give them a realistic shot at him.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
as long as the D
is shored up to the point that one injury won’t mean Scott, I’d be more open to bringing on Richards for around $6 mil/5 years. I just don’t see him taking that little money.
fair enough
I just wanted to know the reasoning behind simply saying “No” to Richards. Not saying this is you, but I feel like a lot of people don’t know exactly how great he is when they say they don’t want the Hawks to go after him.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
he'd be great to have
but I worry that we have too many large salaries that can make the team too top heavy over time. Much rather go after plugging our weaknesses.
And I don’t believe he’s much of a two-way player (correct me if I’m wrong), which doesn’t go far enough in solving our problems.
You're wrong
He’s perfectly adequate as a two-way player and certainly so as a 2nd center.
But the too many large salaries is a valid point.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
good to know
I don’t watch many Dallas games, but I’ve heard it said that his defensive game isn’t a whole lot to get excited about.
History
Not a lot to judge by but Stan’s history on July 1st last year isn’t exactly encouraging. #itshouldhavebeenscott
by theycannevertake2010fromus on Jun 25, 2011 9:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You got to be kidding.
Stan’s history on July 1st last year isn’t exactly encouraging
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Hard to see how anyone else could have done any better
So let’s see – you have to jettison some very good players encompassing a third of your SC – winning roster immediately, and the entire league (whom you’re ideally supposed to be able to deal with on a even keel) knows it. In effect, you’re playing poker and the other players have full access to viewing your cards 24/7. Yeah, you’re basically screwed, correct? So now let us look at the draft choices Stan was able to receive from that forced fire sale – pretty farking good, correct?
Yeah, you cant compare
what happens this year with last. Besides, I think Stan is gonna be active in trades to fill some roster spots, which IMO he has been pretty good at.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
That was 2 years ago, and was Tallon’s signing.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Um, Dale signed Hossa.
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
by Preacher000 on Jun 25, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Had LESS THAN ZEEEEERRRROOOO $$$ last year.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
I pretty sure it is just me on this one
But I think I would have rather have moved Hossa for Cap Space than Soupy, but not sure about that.
We have seen what happens without Soupy, and frankly Hossa shows flashes of holy shit, but overall I just don’t think he is playing like the Hossa we signed. I like Panda and like the team much better with him than without, but I think the Hawks have more tools available to replace a puck handling sniper who is starting the downward slope of his career, where defenseman it is not nearly as uncommon to play well into their mid to late 30’s.
[waiting for fire and brimstone to be thrown my way]
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 9:05 AM CDT reply actions
His time will come too
don’t worry
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
We knew that both guys had a shelf life that was briefer than their contract.
Just didn’t didn’t figure that Campbell’s would’ve come up yet
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 25, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
The question is
when? Not that I want him to be moved but arguments being made for Campbell could easily apply to Hossa
this depends on our
team’s success in the next few years and how quickly our prospects develop (if at all)
Olesz = Kopecky
Did Bowman just think to himself,
“man, I really don’t want to pay Kopecky 1.5 mil to underacheive and annoy fans so I’ll just pay Olesz 3.125 mil instead. He’s from the Czech Republic! Hossa and him must be friends! This is the best trade I’ve made yet!!!”
by ChewyLemonHeadsAndFriends on Jun 25, 2011 9:14 AM CDT reply actions
I guess I'm looking forward to finding out...
what an Olesz hat trick is?
LOLZ
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
What no one has brought up (although I haven’t read all comments yet) is that Campbell was arguably the 7th most important player on our team. I stress “arguably”; I know a lot of people will have sound arguments to back up the idea that he was far more important. For me, though, he was roughly 6th/7th/8th … and yet he was making 7.1 million.
He’ll be horribly missed, but 7.1 million is just too much to have locked up in a guy that’s your 3rd defenseman, who’ll be on the decline (probably) after next season at the latest.
His value to us went beyond his contract numbers the last two years, but this makes sense, imo. Right now, yes, we’re a worse team than before this trade; but we’re also a far more flexible team, we have about a thousand options we didn’t have yesterday. Yesterday we were looking at bringing back some variation of the team that finished 8th. Today we have room to change that.
www.mjt.org
You’re right on the money there Chico.
Now you can go out and make a deal for another defenceman or sign a guy like Adam Pardy and add physical pieces like Ben Eager or Eric Boulton and still take a swing at Brad Richards.
The ’Hawks may have become the most desirable destination for Brad Richards, who after spending years in a torment Tampa club and a playoff-less Dallas team, would love to join a championship contending team at the right price.
The ‘Hawks can do that now, they couldn’t yesterday.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Take a dose of reality, please.
The Hawks are not playing in the Brad Richards Sweepstakes. We don’t have that kind of money. A $7.5-$8M contract would cripple the team.
We need to add a PP QB, a sizeable LW who can play with Kane and Toews, and a second-line center. None of those things is named ‘Brad Richards’.
by Steeg of their own on Jun 25, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is hiliarious
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd
For either unintentional comedy, or incomprehensible ignorance.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
LMAO!!!
You should’ve ended your comment with “Try the veal!”
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
You sir
Are a credit to this blog.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 5:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am a little disappointed
When Campbell got hurt during the run two years ago, the team looked a lot worse, Keith and Seabs got overworked and the team just didn’t look the same. I liked the trades that Stan made last year because they had to be made. This trade did not HAVE to be made. I think Sam brought up some real key questions in his rant.
1). Is Leddy ready?
2). How does your bottom pairing look?
7 2??
4-8?
14
I do know that Olesz is a waste of time and Dale Tallon couldn’t wait to screw the Hawks in this deal. You don’t get picks/prospects or anything you end upw ith a guy who costs half the hit for 3 years and will have nowhere near the production.
Hope Stan knows what he’s doing.
Re: Dave Tallon
We are the only collective fan base that thinks Tallon screwed us. Cap flexibility is extremely important and we now have that.
Dave?
The increase in cap increases the amount of money spent, raising the floor does even more so. The value of $$$ in this market is less than it was prior to the increase in the cap. We only really freed up 4 or so million with this trade( 7-3ish). Look at the FA market, tell me who for 4 mil, you think makes this trade a good trade?
with THESE deals...
we opened up $6 million ($7.1 million mins the difference between Olesz’s and Brouwer’s salaries).
But your point ignores the very thing it’s trying to make. If money is worth less with the floor cap being raised. How was having $8million to spend on 6 players a better position than having $14million to spend on 7 players?
Because now you're forced to spend
The Hawks will go out there and throw this cap room around… and the players we get back will not be worth the $$$ we spend on them. Hopefully we don’t get into any longterm arrangements. Short -term arrangements are where it is at.
Definitely understand the worry, and I’m half-there myself, but saying “the players we get back will not be worth the $$$ we spend on them” is kind of weird before anything’s even happened.
www.mjt.org
It's prospective at best.
But my point is that most teams have more money to spend than they did before.
so?
I’m failing to see your logic. You say that money doesn’t go as far as it used to. When the point is made that our cap situation has gone from the ability to spend $1.3 mil per player to $2 mil per player, you imply we’ll just waste it on bad contracts.
My point is teams have more money to spend, the market is going to be ripe with over payments.. If the Hawks go and basically pay 6.5-8 mil to get Weber from Nashville (which I think he could potentially get in that market). Is this trade still worth it? Salaries will get inflated is my only point and if you try to spend in this market, chances are you’ll likely overpay or end up with the scrap heap.
$8 million?
no, he’s not worth $8 million to a relatively cash strapped team. But Weber would now be affordable at $6.5 million (which would be a huge upgrade over Campbell), which he wasn’t yesterday morning.
In any regard, if salaries become super-inflated this offseason, our previous cap position would have been insufficient to round out a much improved team. With the Campbell move, we can definitely get deeper
you sound very sure that the Hawks will take on players that aren’t worth the $$$ we spend on them. How can you be so sure of this?
It’s not that, it’s that teams that have to spend money to get up to the cap floor will spend. I’m applying (or perhaps misapplying) economic principles. Lots of money, players are a scarce commodity. Teams won’t want to get just anyone…
I think you're coming closer to murdering logic than you are applying economic principles
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Some would argue that the current state of banking (and economists) murder logic daily in order to uphold economic principles!
but with regards to the above post I would have to agree
You are next.
the bottom feeders have the mentality,
and not the vision or will to win every year and will always kneejerk on players to appease theirfanbase , owners. so take a breath relax and see how the summer goes. we have a great core and the lack of depth killed us last year .
what's next?
Sure did
and no one seems willing to admit that we got seriously manhandled by the Nucks on the boards in the playoffs this season. Yes we were tired, injured and mentally fatigued, but still you have to seriously consider that factor after watching the Bos/Van finals.
Before everyone berates Olesz, let’s see what he can do alongside guys like Toews and Kane instead of Wiess and Skille in Florida.
Sure the kid was having one of his worst seasons last year, but so was Frolik and look how that turned out once paired with Bolland? This could work out well for Chicago in the end.
Let’s face it, look at the dealing with Florida – Florida gets Campbell, Skille, and Jessiman for Frolik, Olesz, and Salak. Chicago wins by a country mile.
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How dare you bring logic into this pity party!
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by anActiveStick on Jun 25, 2011 11:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I had to sleep this one off before I posted anything
I’m excited about Olesz joining the team. Injuries not withstanding, I think he’s worth $3mm, because he’s a versatile wing/center who can put up 60 points a season. This brings us another step closer to getting back to our Cup year where we can roll out 4 lines.
I will miss Campbell. He was an incredibly valuable part of the team. I’m excited to see how Stan reconstructs the defense.
Except he hasn't come anywhere close to posting 60 points in a season
but by all means, continue this fantasy.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
More like a 40-50 max for Olesz.
Brouwer potential that’s all, but it still could work for the ’Hawks.
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I’d love for you to be right, but I give Olesz an upside potential of about 35 points per season. How many players come back after knee surgery to double their career averages?
I guess I should clarify that
If he played a full season, he might get 60.
Also, if he had someone to pass to that could put the puck in the net, he would have more assists.
by warrenjm2006 on Jun 25, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I’ve watched plenty of games where he’s played and controlled the game for Florida. That’s why Florida is one of the worst teams in the league. He needs people around him, and the Hawks have that. He plays right into the Hawks puck possession game
by warrenjm2006 on Jun 25, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Blackhawks Up retweeted this link
http://www.litterboxcats.com/2010/11/27/1802457/florida-panthers-scoring-chances-at-the-quarter-mark
I’m not a stat nerd by any means but this deal may not look as bad as it did last night. I think the key really is can he stay healthy? I think his stats will likely go up playing with better talent in Chicago. Then again I’m doing anything to not freak out at this point.
Very true
It’s a shame that by playing in the Southeastern conference, you end up on the receiving end of Ovechkin’s dirty hits at least 6 times a year
by warrenjm2006 on Jun 25, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
players who played on florida their entire career?
i dunno, its a possibility.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the right answer is "wait a week"
Stan Bowman has eyes. He saw how Hammer cratered last year, and so cannot bank on him to be the No. 3 defenseman. That leaves one all-world pairing, a question mark, and a horrorshow.
He would not pull this stunt without a major objective in mind for FA Day. But the clock is ticking. Loudly.
(Oh, and sign me up for the Olesz buyout. Looking at his stats did not impress. Granted, his supporting cast was nothing to write home about, but still.)
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by Sec 326 Bureau Chief on Jun 25, 2011 9:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Your post-Soupy roster courtesy of capgeek.
Thought I’d finally get in on the capgeek fun. Here’s a pretty decent roster for next season with a bit of flexibility. (Please keep the gigles and snorts to a minimum.)
(NOTE: Stoll comes via trade with Olesz + draft picks + a prospect going to LAK)
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Erik Cole ($3.750m) / Jarret Stoll ($3.600m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Michael Frolik ($1.600m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
Rob Niedermayer ($1.550m) / Eric Belanger ($1.250m) / Ben Smith ($0.812m)
Viktor Stalberg ($1.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Steve Montador ($2.100m) / Nick Leddy ($1.116m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Chris Campoli ($1.750m)
John Scott ($0.512m) / Andy Greene ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.666m) / Alexander Salak ($0.612m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,750,962; BONUSES: $545,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $549,038
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Can we post one of these without having X players name they want on the team?
And no to Jared Stoll with the new cap room available. Now that we got a better bait it’s time to land a bigger fish.
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Rostislav Olesz ($3.125m)
/ / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
/ / /
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Nick Leddy ($1.116m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.666m) / Alexander Salak ($0.612m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $48,563,462; BONUSES: $325,000
CAP SPACE (14-man roster): $15,736,538
Guys the Hawks could use to fill out the roster :
Markus Kruger $900,000
Ben Smith $812,500
Jeremy Morin $886,667
Isn't the whole point of capgeek to play what if?
All of the new players are UFA where I figured a 20-25% pay increase – with the exception of
Stoll.
The Stoll trade idea was thoroughly hashed out in prior threads. Some (including me) think he would be a good addition. And with some of the trades that have been made so far it seems anything is possible.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Basically
what happened last night was that the Hawks traded Brouwer & Campbell for Olesz, a late 1st round pick, a Sharp extension and a minimum of $4 million in Cap space. How is that bad?
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Exactly
I felt a lot better about this deal when I realized it was more or less trading Campbell for umpteen years for Sharp for umpteen years. We weren’t going to have both. Who would you rather have?
Plus we get a 1st rounder, $4 mil to sign some depth, and a guy who may or may not work out when surrounded with better players (which we definitely have), and if he doesn’t, his contract is essentially disposable because of the buyout option.
Obviously, the Hawks need to have a good next week. But they are definitely have the flexibility to do so now, which could not be said yesterday.
The spelling may be terrible right now and the memes hit or miss, but the concepts have been pretty goo... Imagine what this guy can do when he is posting well
This, exactly
I realized it was more or less trading Campbell for umpteen years for Sharp for umpteen years. We weren’t going to have both. Who would you rather have?
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Why exactly could we not have both?
I mean, if this is a defense-mechanism thing after losing Campbell, okay. But look at things realistically: we could have had both. We had Soupy on a long-term (albeit over-priced) contract. We had the cap space to get Sharp on a long-term contract. The choice to trade Campbell likely had nothing to do with Sharp, whom we could have signed with or without a cap-shedding trade.
The choice to trade Campbell was just that: a choice to trade Campbell. It wasn’t some sort of referendum on Sharp.
by Steeg of their own on Jun 25, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Keeping Campbell and extending Sharp
would be a disaster in the 2012-13 season. The Hawks have $19 million available in Cap space. Sharp & Campbell would eat up around $12-13 million leaving $6-7 million to sign 7 players. I’ll take the position the Hawks are in now. They have the luxury of not having to pick up other teams throwawys.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Line of the thread.
I’ll take the position the Hawks are in now.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Amateur hour returns to the Hawks front office
It was only a master of time before this day would come.
by maxachium27 on Jun 25, 2011 9:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Master of time?
StanBow is Link?? Who gave him the Ocarina flute?
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
He must have played the song of storms over here at SCH, the gloom and doom here is unbelievable.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm like... captain doom and gloom,
but even I gotta rec that one.
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
http://rock-on-chicago.blogspot.com/
I think
the Hawks are obviously a team that is going to bump the salary cap, so they aren’t trying to save money, they are saving it for something specific. I went to be all excited about the prospect of B Richards as c2, but man you gotta like the sound of Shea Webber, what a f’in stud. Guy concerns me the whole time he’s on the ice, lethal shot, which has broken the hawks before. If your name isn’t Boland, you’re not beating him. I really hope this isn’t only to lock up P Sharp, love the guy, but then the Hawks just got significantly worse.
by Michael Calvert on Jun 25, 2011 9:53 AM CDT reply actions
Last year
The Hawks went 35-23-7 with Soupy in the lineup. That’s 1.18 points per game.
They went 9-6-2 with him out of the lineup. That’s 1.17 points per game.
In conclusion, everyone calm the fuck down.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
And what about the playoffs the year before?
Soupy totally changed the team when he came back during the Nashville series. And that eventually led to, um, the big silver thing. Not saying we can’t win a Cup without Soupy (we certainly didn’t WITH him in the lineup this year) but it makes it a whole lot harder without his particular skill set in there.
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
by Preacher000 on Jun 25, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Obviously, it's a package deal.
But we just lost a big part of the package. The point is that no one else on this team does what Soupy does within the particular system that our team is (supposedly) built around.
Which is making me start to wonder: Is Bowman trying to change the system? Make it more “his” system than Dale’s?
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
by Preacher000 on Jun 25, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
the extra cap space next year will enable us to lock up bolland,
and if stanbow picks up weber along the way I’m sure the masses will back away from the ledge!
what's next?
I thought that Nashville
elected to go to arb with Weber preventing him from signing anywhere else. So they basically have him under control for at least another year.
even if he signs sharp,bolland and puts depth around the core we will be better,
the problem I saw with the hawks last year was mainly lack of depth. and the top 6 and d was worn down to a nub by march. given a full summer and the motivation for some (kane,keith) to reprove themselves, conbined with a roster that doesn’t have to be changed every week will do wonders. even in the cup year we were bouncing players back and forth to stay under the cap. it was truly amazing that we won the cup.
what's next?
You'll notice I didn't reference the 09-10 season
Because that was such a different team. I have my reservations about both Leddy and Campoli, but they are two puck movers we didn’t have in 09-10. I agree that Campbell was vital to the Cup team, but that was 2 years and 1 capocalyspe ago.
Also, IIRC that slow start against the Preds in round 1 could be attributed to many things, but most of all Niemi giving up one of the worst goals I’ve ever seen in game 1, and Brouwer with one of the worst turnovers I’ve ever seen.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
And what about the playoffs the year before that?
I have been led to believe by SCH comments of the past that Campbell almost single-handedly lost the Detroit series.
I know what you’re saying, but one series is a small sample size IMO.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
But on the other hand in the Cup year, for season+playoffs combined, it was:
58-19-5 with Campbell in the lineup
9-9-3 with Campbell out of the lineup
by Paul the Fossil on Jun 25, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Your numbers are wrong
Plus, like I said before, so many players are gone from that team that a comparison doesn’t really make sense.
Real numbers for 09-10, reg season + playoffs:
59-22-6 with Soupy
9-6-2 without
But since there’s no 3 point games in the playoffs, it doesn’t make a ton of sense to combine reg. season with playoffs.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I just checked it again
That season they went 8-7-3 during the season without Campbell playing, and then 1-2 in the first round against Nashville. That’s a combined 9-9-3.
Total regular season record was 52-22-8, so subtract the above 8-7-3 and you get 44-15-5 without Campbell playing. Then starting with game 4 of the playoffs they went 14-4 with him, so if we add it to the regular-season games with him we get 58-19-5.
by Paul the Fossil on Jun 25, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well in summary
I guess it’s a good thing that next season is 2011-12, not 2009-10.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I am seriously Impressed here...
It doesn’t matter my first reaction to both the Events and this post, I have regained admiration for the Second City Hockey ilk.
Admittedly, I have purposefully reserved my input on a number of different topics in the Comments, mostly because of the passion (and sometimes lack of respect) of some members, but, on what is arguably the most volatile topic of the year, it’s great to see dissension amongst the popular and non-popular views.
With the rise in 2nd city Membership, comes the good with the bad, I get it; but here’s to the once-again uncommon quality, refreshing views and biting humor that is 2nd City Hockey.
by NesterenkosGhost on Jun 25, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
hear here.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
/golf claps
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 7:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What is this humor thing you talk about
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone thinks they have a sense of humour, but they don't all.
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
Sarcasm is much better
requires less effort
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
it's the bone that connects your shoulder to your elbow
How long do I have to like the Bruins now?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
If I Souppy this morning, I'm thrilled
No longer have to be responsible in my own end, and the green light to take off whenever I can, and the chance to be first PP.
About my only concern is the South Fla sun, and my red hair and light complexion could lead to lots of burning….better get the sun block out!
Without respect for the game, we will self-destruct.
I'm with Sam on this one.
When I ranted last night on the Draft Day thread, I was told to relax and wait—Bowman isn’t done yet.
But I’m not at all convinced that Bowman knows what he’s doing when it comes to the talent evaluation and getting-players-who-fit-the-system part of being a GM. Not to mention that his delay on resigning Hammer last year probably cost us Ladd, and he’s still not instilling any confidence. I’ve pretty much decided to ignore anything he says in public because the guy is full of it 90% of the time (“It was always the plan to bring in Kruger.” “Scott got better as the season went on.”) I would love to be wrong. I would love it if on July 2 we had Richards, Weber and Ladd, and Stan showed that he is the White Wizard of GMs. But so far, he simply hasn’t shown that he knows what he’s doing. And I want another Cup NOW, not in 3 years (when Keith’s 78 minutes per game will start showing up as injuries.)
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
And my dad can totally take a car apart and put it back together
Doesn’t mean I can do much more than change the oil.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but is your dad employed by the same company
I think ol Scotty does more than we think. Does your dad have his stamp on any car putting back together dynasties?
by Michael Calvert on Jun 25, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i guess he should consult you on all trades /moves?
you should really think about your transparency request. yes last year he screwed the pooch, this year he resigned the p[layers he wanted before the end of the SCF. has aplan to resign sharp and bolland , quit pretending you know all the factors involved in the dealings of the team. as a fan I have a few expectations.1 compete for the cup EVERY year, 2 let me root in earnest for my team. 3 no excuses.we will see in september what we have and go from there. I will ALWAYS root for the hawks.
what's next?
If you don't like analysis and speculation
Why are you on the internet?
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Consult me?
No. Don’t be such an idiot. What I’m saying is if you look at his moves (and comments) they don’t inspire confidence. And how do YOU know he has a plan to resign Sharp and Bolland?
I’m not asking for transparency. That would be foolish for a GM to show his hand. But some of the comments he has made were downright stupid.
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
What trade?
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
by Preacher000 on Jun 25, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh.
I kind of forgot other teams are doing things too. ;)
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
by Preacher000 on Jun 25, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Who will fall to the Hawks
at 36? I’m kind of holding out hope that Saad is still on the board at 36.
I think that he may end up
being one of the draft picks that we look back and say we got good value at that slot.
hope so...
i think the announcers were saying he would have been a top 5 pick the previous year. He just didn’t adjust well to his current team.
Nashville won't let Weber walk
If we’re going to squash dreams in this thread, that needs to be the first one. The Hawks having room for him just upped the ante. Preds won’t kill what they’ve built already.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
No, but a lot of fun to daydream about
Cripes, what a monster D we’d have – but yeah, that guy is THE MAN down there, along with Rinne. So no way is he going anywhere…er, and never mind that the same thing could have been said regarding Philly.
Wow
Everyone should go to 2:20 of that video and watch the Hossa/Toews play he makes. Awesome.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah when I saw that I was really impressed.
Kid has a motor that just won’t quit. I’m pretty excited about seeing this guy play.
I'm partial to
2:21-2:35. That’s some shit right there.
I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.
by ITypedforMiles on Jun 25, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
oops
That’s what you said. Reading fail.
I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.
by ITypedforMiles on Jun 25, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Also kinda looks
like he’s got Sharpies ability to go all stealth mode right next to the crease.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
Every headline writer in the city
just had an orgasm a the thought of penning a bunch of
“Saad makes for happy Hawks” headlines.
by Bellwether Meltdown on Jun 25, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah him and mcneil look to be steals
by J-Town All Star on Jun 25, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
people were questioning his ability to use his frame
and because he fell well short of expectations after moving to an elite league.
This post is fucking stupid.
Seriously. Campbell wasn’t the answer at any given time this season. Not fucking once. This bullshit about him being our veteran voice, knock it off. Soupy’s contract was the LONE reason for our cap woes. If Stan would’ve been able to shed Campbell’s salary last season, we would’ve been able to keep Ladd and had space for some better spare parts. Might’ve even kept Versteeg, or had Hammer signed to a reasonable contract before the Sharks’ offer. Who knows… but I know I’m not gonna miss Campbell.
For the love of God, don’t re-sign Campoli. Too many of the goals in the playoffs were his fault, not just the OT winner. He’s not worth more than $2 mil per. Complacent fucker, to boot. He’s in love with his own shit. For every nice play he makes, he takes three shifts off. Campoli made rookie mistakes his whole tour with the Hawks, so it’s no different than putting an actual rookie in. We have a handful of great defensive prospects that are now mature enough to get a good look, see Vishnevskiy, Lalonde, Olsen, and Connelly.
And this fierce criticism of Leddy is getting awfully tired. The experience he earned this season will prove invaluable for the upcoming season. Not enough credit’s been given to the season he had. Imagine this upcoming season where he actually gets 15 minutes a game. His timing isn’t an issue, he’s got the feet and hands. He’ll hit his stride come December.
Didn't Vishnevsky go back to Russia?
I might be confusing him with someone else. Either way, every report I’ve heard on him is that he’s terrible, and I remember being baffled by pretty much every decision he made in the couple of IceHogs games I’ve seen.
Vitaly Vishnevsky did, if that’s what you mean. But there’s a fair number of guys with similar names, like Vishnovsky, and James Wishniewski, a former Blackhawk, who had the Polish version of that surname. (The name means “Cherry Tree”, in the trivia department)
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
I just Googled and it looks like Ivan Vishnevskiy is back to Russia, too
He signed a KHL contract in May of this year, according to Wiki.
Cliff Notes version of this post:
Campbell: BAD!
Ladd+Versteeg= CUPS!
Campoli: Not Lidstrom.
D-Men struggling in the AHL= NHL Ready!
Leddy= Picked on!
Got it. A+.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh heh
Nice to see you around MM
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
NO
It’s a C+ at best, don’t you know how we grade around these parts.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
for a mediocre season of postings
most comments are going to end up getting around a C
I don’t know if any of you guys have seen the Yahoo headline on the Campbell trade which is “Blackhawks escape Brian Campbell Contract Thanks to Panthers”. Someone is obviously not valuing Campbell.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
I think one of the PD commenters but it best (shockingly)
Campbell is overvalued, but not overrated. Also, a really good locker room guy. Hopefully the Panthers add some pieces and give him a chance to win some games.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Can’t say I have much confidence in the Panthers, frankly. This past year they were dumping assets. They traded Horton and Campbell to the Bruins prior to the season. And then traded Dennis Wideman to the Caps.
It’s funny that the Panthers now have another Campbell after getting rid of one, with the previous Campbell being Colin Campbell’s son.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
This one?
Campbell was overpriced, but in this trade he was even more Undervalued.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
As Hungry Panda said, it’s hard to find good comments in Puck Daddy. Many commenters on the Japers Rink complain about the bad comments on the local newspaper’s “Capitals Insider” blog but I generally find the Puck Daddy blog commenters much more inane than them — by far.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
I think whoever wrote that
Is a friggin’ genius and obviously knows something about hockey.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
While I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s a frigging genius, it is a fair assessment of the situation.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
I can't toot my own horn! lol
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
3rd round 70th Overall
TramyersCSN Tracey Myers
#Blackhawks select Michael Paliotta of the US Under-18 team with their 70th overall selection (third round).
Jesse Rogers Last Night
Jesse Rogers Last Night:
via Twitter, ESPNChiHawks Jesse Rogers
“Trust me, this is a good move. Even if youre a soup fan…its a good move…same with brouwer move..”
Jesse Rogers Today
via Twitter, ESPNChiHawks Jesse Rogers:
ESPNChiHawks Jesse Rogers
“do you like the Campbell trade. I need someone to make me feel better about this….”
by NesterenkosGhost on Jun 25, 2011 11:00 AM CDT reply actions
In all fairness...
…his article reinforces his belief these were all good moves; it’s just a strange succession of Twitters (i refuse to say “Tw**t”)
by NesterenkosGhost on Jun 25, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
No doubt he's an idiot
But that second one is actually a retweet of someone else.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Perfect example of the Hawk's current crop of beat writers:
The majority of them are terrible. They are so concerned about fraying relationships that they are completely unwilling to write anything remotely critical. Its a big joke.
The salary dump was needed but it certainly leaves a hole in our defensive corp
which is something to be concerned about. I don’t see his one day to the next day twitter as being confusing.
by Fightin Werds on Jun 25, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Dismantling Continues
From what I recall Campbell had the best plus minus on the club last year and single handedly contributed to many of the games won. Maybe Stan has defined the core to keep in tact wrong. What did Kane do last year except play with the ladies? Why was Marian Hossa always injured and when when he was not was not the same? I am afraid of what Stan is doing to this club and my confidence in him is waning. I think the players may feel the same way.
Yeah, Kane had a measly PPG this season
Should have traded him and his NMC to Florida!
In fairness, he had crazy-easy zone starts, but there’s no question that Kane is an incredibly creative offensive player.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not disputing that
I’m not even disputing that he had a down year, for him. I just think the handwringing by some Hawks fans over how unbelievably terrible his season was and how we need to get rid of him is goofy.
“single handedly contributed”
I chuckled.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 8:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Blackhawks Select @ 79
NHLBlackhawks Chicago Blackhawks
At #79, the Blackhawks select… Swedish defenseman Klas Dahlbeck
Nothing is certain, except
…that nothing is certain. Look, I loved Soup. I became spoiled knowing that unless the 3rd pairing was on the ice, the Hawks had a d-man who could skate the puck up the ice or make the good first pass to start the breakout. It is, as Sam notes, the foundation of this team’s style of play. And I’m going to miss that luxury. But I can’t buy into the “what about the Nashville series in 2010” argument. That team is gone now, it left with half the roster last summer. And I also can’t buy into the “let’s throw Stan under the bus now” take, because constructing a roster isn’t about one move or two, it’s about a collective series of moves that don’t all happen at once, and some of them aren’t about this year as much as they are about the next 2-4 years. This is chess, not checkers, and if you don’t get that I don’t know how to help you. I’m not going to be walking out onto the ledge if after 20 games this season, Leddy hasn’t quite found it yet, or if I don’t see a team that reminds me of the one that was kicking ass and taking names two seasons ago.
The Hawks moved a huge contract, guaranteed their ability to lock up a vital piece of the team (Sharp), and left themselves with enough cap room to make the necessary moves to make up for the loss of talent on the ice. Don’t make the argument to me that “yeah, but then Stan will do this or that and fuck the whole thing up”. You don’t know what he’s going to do, and you certainly have no clue how many moves may have been set in motion with this one getting done. I don’t either. Choices, people. Success is based on the ability to have choices. On the ice, it’s being able to roll four lines. Off the ice, it’s being able to choose which parts you’re going get to stock up those lines (and pairings). When you have no choices (see cap stranglehold last year), that’s when things become difficult.
If trading Soup was the first in a series of moves that leaves us looking like the Charlestown Chiefs (or the Islanders, whichever), then I’ll be right there asking Stan “wtf, dude?” after it all goes down. Unless and until that happens, my take on this one is like my take on almost every other deal – it has potential, if the right things get done in its wake.
All that said – damn, I’m gonna miss Soup. Good luck, 51.
"Eighty-five percent of the fuckin' world's working. The other fifteen come out here." - Lee Elia
by TenMinuteMisconduct on Jun 25, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
This Saad guy looks pretty good
Any chance he could get on the second line with Hossa?
not anytime soon...
and Hossa may probably be gone by the time Saad is ready.
it appears Saad is just now getting used to highly competitive hockey in Canada. Played with some pretty underwhelming talent while growing up in OH, which might have stunted his ceiling.
Too bad
Was hoping for a “Saad Panda” line.
by barryf on Jun 25, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 13 recs
Doh!
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta respect the setup too!
Good use of comments #6 and 7.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
"May probably"?
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Drumming my fingers on the table...
I’m not gonna commit one way or the other about this trade. Just gonna be factual:
Fact 1: Hawks have large holes to fill
Fact 2: Hawks have cap space to use
Fact 3: This is either Stan’s D-Day or his Waterloo. I’m just hoping he did this with a clear endgame, and not a “I’m gonna get rid of everything uncle Dale did” kinda attitude.
Fact 4: It’s sink or swim time for Nick Leddy.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jun 25, 2011 11:40 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Regarding Fact 3.
The way all the Stan haters are talking they make it seem as if he makes all of these decisions on his own operating in a vaccuum. I’m sure this is not the case. All scouts, coaches and assistants surely have significant input regarding potential draftees or player movement. I’m equally sure that given how cutthroat McDonough is, and how dedicated Rocky is, in regards to putting a championship contending product on the ice, that they would not tolerate for one second Bowman making moves out of spite instead of with a clear plan in mind to make the team better in both the long and short term.
I have faith in the organization as a whole to make the right decisions. They haven’t done wrong by us yet, and I’m not going to lose faith now.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Well this organization also did tortured fans for decades
Also, Stan didn’t have much to do with constructing this current team. He did bring us John Scott though! I think its too early to make statements about not losing faith in the management while they are just establishing themselves.
Obviously I'm referring to the current ownership & management.
And don’t forget, Bowman was a part of the front office management responsible for “the team that Dale built”. The same thing holds for the team built when Tallon was GM as now. Tallon didn’t do it by himself and neither is Bowman.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Thats why I said "I hope"
Because on the surface It certainly seems as though StanBow is trying to distance himself from everything Tallon did. Not saying it’s the case, but…
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jun 25, 2011 12:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He seems to be alright with Toews/Kane/Sharp and Hossa.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Obviously he would be.
They are “Centerpiece” players, and could never be moved unless you slipped into the kind of madness that would make you trade Mike Richards to the Kings. Plus he’s the one who signed Hossa anyways.
It’s the periphery players are the ones that make or break you as a GM. At one point for Dale, it was Sharpie. Now it’s gonna be the pieces Stanley adds to the puzzle where he makes his mark on the team.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jun 27, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
In the light of day
it is very obvious that StanBow planned on trading Campbell this summer if there was any possibility to do so.
Was Leddy what was truly needed last season? A scrawny 19 yr old with no AHL experience? Maybe there weren’t any better options available, but I highly doubt that. Instead they chose to start the clock early on Leddy and fast track him to the NHL.
Right or wrong, the evidence was staring us in the face the whole time.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jun 27, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Blackhawks Select
NHLBlackhawks Chicago Blackhawks
With pick #109, the #Blackhawks take Russian winger Maxim Shalunov.
that's a big kid with some speed and hands
hopefully he isnt playing in the KHL in 2 years.
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
Who to target?
Now that we have all this post-Soup cap space, who are a few players that Stan might be targeting? Hopefully Richards is tops on the Hawks management team’s list, but realistically a guy I think could replace Brouw is available in Fleischmann. I’d love for us to pick up Miettinen out of Minny if they let him go, and Jonathon Ericsson from Detroit intrigues me as possibly being a decent addition to our backend.
I still don’t see where another elite playmaking defensemen comes in though, and it’s troubling to think Stan & Co. are making moves without preconceived contingency plans. Leddy isn’t an answer, at least not for a few years, and Lalonde hasn’t made that great of strides to where he can come up and save us either.
If what I’m reading about Brouwer is accurate, he and Tomas Fleischmann are diametrically opposite players. Flash is a moderately skilled guy who can eat PP minutes, but he avoids the boards like he’s allergic to them. It’s not a coincidence that his team gets outshot when he’s on the ice.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
You are correct
In Caps terms, Brouwer is a little like Knuble with more physicality and a little less of a scorer’s touch.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take Knuble over Brouwer any day of the week
And twice in games against Vancouver.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Philly still needs to shed a ton of cap space
I’d be very happy with either Meszaros or Coburn, maybe even Carle though that could be redundant.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d take Meszaros in a heartbeat.
If it happens though, ChicoMaki will take a heartattack.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Meszaros is a fairly decent D-Man
Not sure about his cap hit tho.
He did, however, have a great run atop the +/- rankings for a good majority of the `10-`11 season,
and had a few game-winning goals for PHI last year.
Plus, hes Polish. Na zdrowie.
In all honesty, I really don’t think the Hawks land Weber since it doesn’t address their immediate needs.
B. Richards is still a possibility since, despite his assumable cost, his attributes fit the Hawks’ needs.
But we now have over $14MM in cap space, basically securing Sharp in the Indian Head for a while.
Why stop at Philly? There are a LOT of options available now.
Sorry to see you go Soupy. I always rooted for ya.
Thank you for clearing up so much space that we have a great shot at loading up for another run!
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
You mean Slovakian
His cap hit is exactly what it should be for a 3/4 D Man. Though I think PHI would get rid of Coburn or Carle first.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Coburn is a monster
He’d be a huge addition to our blueline, especially if Hjammer doesn’t return to form as quickly as we’d like. We’d still need to address our playmaking d-man needs though.
How so?
Keith, Campoli and Leddy are your playmakers. Seabs ain’t no slouch either for a stay-at-homer.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If we're allowed to go far off one end
and discuss buying out Olesz before he’s played a single minute, can I Koolaid it up and say, what if he works out well?
What if he just got traded to a system that suits him? What if he can stay healthy and be productive like a real first rounder?
It’s just as realistic to propose this as it is to Huet him and already have a plane ticket to Europe for him.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
The sky is falling.
Didn’t you know?
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Being the first overall pick
has gotta be kinda bittersweet. Awesome I was picked first, which means hockey folks think I’m good at this… I get to play for the Oilers… Oh, hurray…
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
Oilers will make the playoffs this year
He’ll be happy with it soon enough.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this too
So many scary good kids. Once they figure it out, shit could look like the 80’s again.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Well having
the first draft pick for like 100 years running does help out with that. I’ll be waiting to see it, plus if it happens it means my guy on NHL17 won’t get drafted by them. :D
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This thread is amazing
First post: Oilers suck
Second post: They’re actually pretty good
Third post: They will be the best team in the league soon
Fourth post: Absolutely
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
I got hot on the Oil last season. When they play with confidence, they’re fantastic. I really think this year they string it together long enough to make noise.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually agree that they'll be good soon
But I don’t think they make the playoffs yet this year unless Dubnyk really takes a leap.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they need their management to smarten up before they’re good in any kind of near future.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Was it the Hawks or Blues he faced in his first game
And then got lit the fuck up. Can’t remember.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel the same way regarding the Leafs
look out soon.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Have to say
I didn’t expect to spark this much conversation/betting with that comment up there.
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Except for that pesky goaltending thing.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Great prediction
Cuz really, who’s gonna remember this and hunt you down six years from now.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 8:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Avatar bet? If the Oil make the playoffs, I’ll use a Penguins logo for a week. If the Oil miss the playoffs, you use a Red Wings logo for a week.
Deal?
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yuck
But I’ll take it. I’m pretty confident they put it together enough for an 8 seed this year.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Done. I think that roster still has glaring holes and that the West is too good for a team with that many flaws to make the dance.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
witness!
I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.
by ITypedforMiles on Jun 25, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Here’s a helpful hint: Use a Hossa picture from 2009, ‘cause you’re going to need it.
I don’t think there is a way for the Oilers reach 95+ points next season with their current roster with so many young players against so many good teams in the West.
Who’ll drop out? Anaheim? Nashville? Certainly not Los Angeles, Vancouver, Detroit, or San Jose. Phoenix might, but Calgary is still a far better team than Edmonton as of right now.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Avatar bet
If the Oil make the playoffs, I will admit that James Cameron isn’t terrible.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really wanted Nick Leddy to spend some time here in Rockford
And I was pretty sure that was going to happen. He has raw talent but he has to improve his decision making. The AHL is the perfect place to do this. Well now this will not happen.
People need to be careful with this one. It free’s up alot of money sure, but we very well could end up with buyers remorse. We still do not know what direction Bowman is going to take this.
Someone needs to remind Stan that his team basically did not make it into the playoffs
They backed into it. Then shut down, took advantage of 2 games of poor play by the Canucks, won game 6 and then were shutdown game 7. This does not validate the season, which was a very bad season.
He’s not as big, but might have more snarl and better hands and nose for goal. Not as big, but ok. But now you’ve got a team with no forwards with size other than Marian Hossa. Ok. Fine.
Because obviously this team needs more small and medium size guys, especially with the game going back towards trapping and dump and chase.
We saw last year how mismatched we were against bigger teams. We lost game seven due to a great trap put on by the Canucks.We backed into the playoffs.
I wish
I could refute what you’ve said more eloquently but I can’t… Suffice to say I disagree with this and I think almost every post you’ve ever made.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
We still need to add 6-7 players to the team, guy
Until then, you should probably withhold any judgment.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Right because totally over evaluating "the core" last year
and creating a massive lack of depth on the team by bringing in many players that are not very good doesn’t give us anything to judge.
guy
You don't get anything
WE NOW HAVE MORE MONEY (WAAAY MORE) THAN WE DID LAST OFFSEASON.
Sorry for the caps, don’t know why I bother with them actually, I don’t think you’re reading anything anyone else writes anyway.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone needs to remind Stan that his team basically did not make it into the playoffs … They backed into it.
Eh. You could just as honestly say that they were a lucky bounce away from a 4 seed. You can’t really tell the whole story about last year without pointing out that it was a damn strange year in the Western Conference.
In any other year the Hawks make it easily
Compare their point totals with the past five seasons, and other than the just – finished one, no problem. So I don’t think this line of reasoning about how much they sucked last year is valid.
The Hawks backed into the playoffs?
Why haven’t you pointed this out before?
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:D
+2 for linking this in a time of “gloom.”
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 25, 2011 1:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I do
what I can :D. Maybe having become a fan round about 96ish but I just can’t get into this whole doom and gloom thing. I mean we won the Cup, have made the playoffs 3 years straight. You guys do remember how things were, right? Lighten the hell up folks. We still have Toews, Kaner, Seabrook, and Keith. Plus a devilishly handsome man, and a rat. We’re not hosed.
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by DesertHawk on Jun 25, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you, thank you.
"Showin' her my Toews-face!"
Well, my Canucks-loving friends are loving these trades
They just saw their biggest rival lose what little size/hitting they had with Brouwer, and lose one of the better puck-movers and PP quarterbacks on the team in one day.
We’ll see what happens in the week to come, but right now, Chicago is a MUCH easier team to play against than they were even last year.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Well than your Canucks friends are fucking idiots.
Ever heard of free agency? Yeah, today’s Hawks team is easier to play against, because they have about 13 guys on the roster.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 25, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
They're aware.
We’re all also aware that this year’s free agency pools is possibly the weakest in the history of the NHL.
Who would you like to sign that would fill the gap on defense, keeping in mind that the Hawks success is built into their ability to move the puck quickly up the ice?
Keith/Seabrook
Hjammer/Leddy
Campolli/? (Don’t say Scott, cause we all know any experiments with him will end poorly)
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
no you cannot post anything about the Canucks around here unless it is totally desparaging
They suck, are not good, satan’s incarnate etc etc etc
But they have a Charity - and lots and lots of regular season hardware!
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
This "they have a charity" thing has gone on long enough
They have at least 3 charities: the Canucks for Kids fund, the Canucks Autism Network, and the Canucks Children’s hospice. Get it right.
Just be happy that we've collectively agreed to give them credit for something
humane that they’ve done.
I could point out that they dive, whine, take cheap shots, didn’t deserve to be in the finals, are classless, bite people, taunt people after biting them, complain about officiating every chance that they get, complain about artificial surfaces being introduced to their home ice, complain about the hue of the ice in other team’s arenas, hold press conferences to complain about stuff, never do anything wrong…
Should I continue, or can we leave it at “but they have a charity?”
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
by Powrfwd37 on Jun 25, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You left "creepy headcase"
out of the boilerplate.
And yes, I am happy that I have prevailed in my effort to have some of you recognize a positive quality of the Canucks, as spitefully, sarcastically and insincerely as it has been done.
You left out
hair-pulling
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Well, I didn't want to re-write War and Peace....
I had to stop somewhere.
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
I'm going to keep nitpicking
You sell these guys so short. They don’t bite people they bite Patrice Bergeron. It’s just the one particularly tasty dude.
I believe when Lucic and Recchi offered Lapierre and Burrows their fingers
The reply was “why have hamburger now when there’s steak coming over the boards?”
by AidanB on Jun 25, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
non!
il a le gout poitine! et la langue anglais est interdit dans toute la province de Quebec!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
avez-vous vu le film 'Les Schtroumpfs"?
qui est les avants du Canadiens…
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
ce fil se termine ici..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
MOD-ER-ATORS!!!!!!!!!!
Quebecois non, si vous plais!!!
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إذا
لا تتوقف سوف أتكلم اللغة العربية
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by DesertHawk on Jun 25, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
:P
I basically said if you don’t stop I’m gonna start speaking Arabic. Making me bust out google translate… jerkfaces
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
the mods aren't here....
PAR-TAY!
How long do I have to like the Bruins now?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot complaining about spies in their locker room (my favorite)
No worries, this was the plan all along!
And don't forgot their 4th charity event...
Where they annually give away the Cup!
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
RIMSHOT!
(also, there was the affiliated “Goals for Champions” drive)
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
Does the sound of thats very unlikely to happen scare anyone?
People act like this is the set roster were taking into next year.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 25, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Name a GREAT defensive asset in the free-agent market
Keeping in mind that great defense-men are arguably the most valued commodity right now, and therefore unlikely to be traded by teams that don’t need to clear salary.
Name a defensemen that we could get to fill the hole.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
So I suppose trading is out of the question too huh?
You can sign people, but they can’t move the puck like Soupy. We sacrificed part of our puck possession game for long term flexibility. Think about Kaner and Toews ages….we NEED that flexibility.
I was a MAJOR Soupy defender. I will miss him…..but this isnt the end of the world.
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Do you actually see Chicago winning without 2 puck-moving D-pairs?
Cause I don’t see much success without it.
We’re a smaller team than we were 2 years ago (and a year ago).
We’re a weaker transition team than we were a year ago.
We’ve only improved in goaltending (assuming Crawford doesnt have the traditional sophmore slump that goalies have).
How do you expect the Hawks to play? What style of play will hide BOTH those weak areas>?
And what Dmen would you like to trade for? There’s nobody out there that really offers what we need that a team will be willing to part with.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Do you fucking get it? THIS ISNT THE FUCKING TEAM YET.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 25, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Season's over
The Predators have already won the Cup.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
We should just take a season off and recharge.
As you silver’s point about nobody being out there……noboby thought Campbell was a possibility to move before yesterday either.
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"If only.....
never………impossible to move……….who’d take that cap hit………forever………they traded him?…….WTF,………we’re doomed…..we’ll never, ever replace him."
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
I can see both sides points of view
I just think it’s the shock of losing such a valuable piece regardless of his cost and the uncertainty of what is to come.
I will say this though, in order to fill holes gaps, or cracks, Stan is gonna’ have to either go the trade route or begin making QO to RFA because I just don’t see much quality in this group of UFA (other than the ones who are gonna want 7 mil/year)
Anyway, it’s still very early and while I’m certain that the organization does have a plan in place for the coming season I will reserve my judgment until after the FA period and when all is said & done.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I get it.
Name a Dman that available through trade or free agency that will fill the holes.
Tell me the options for the complete fucking team.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
yes because trading for one is COMPLETELY out of the picture
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
BRIAN CAMPBELL IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TRADE!
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Clearly the Hawks just lost Bobby Orr in his prime
and there is absolutely no one available who can fill the gap.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
There are players that will be available
that will be more than able to fill holes on the team. I just don’t see a whole lot of them in the UFA pool. If it gets done, I just think Stan is gonna have to make trades which he has been decent at and start looking at other teams RFAs
In the UFA pool there aren’t many quality Dmen so that may have to be handled with a trade if that’s the route they choose to go. As far as forwards are concerned there are several players that I wouldn’t mind seeing in an Indian head sweater including: Brooks Laich @2,066,667, Ville Leino @800,000, Marcel Goc @ 775,000, Eric Belanger @ 750,000, Drew Miller @ 650,000, & Zenon Konopka @ 600,000 (all salaries are last years cap hit)
I guess what I’m saying is that there are players that can be acquired and maybe we should wait until after the FA period before everyone gives up on this season.
Honestly, the Hawks lost half their Stanley Cup Championship team last year and got squat in return other than picks and 1 or 2 decent prospects. All we lost this year is an aging puck moving Dman that while good didn’t justify his salary (I like Soupy by the way) and we got a little more than 4 mil in cap relief in return. This is not nearly as bad as last year people.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
no way is philly letting go of leino after their recent activity
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Just said that he is available, never said we were getting all of them
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Let's surrender right now
Jeebus, your posts here are incomprehensible. We’re not even at the halfway point of this process – are you aware of what will happen next week, because you’re certainly sure of your powers of prognostication.
Very much.
Leddy is still developing, and this could actually severely hurt his development.
Hjammer is not as good as advertised. I would have preferred to send him off than Campbell, in all honesty.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
I would have preferred to send him off than Campbell, in all honesty.
Yes. Hammer is an unproven overpaid D man. Soupy is a proven overpaid D man. Hammer<Soupy
No one is suggesting that Hammer is better than Campbell.
But, Campbell’s 32 and is paid 7 million a year. Hammer’s 24 and is paid 3.5 million a year. Also, the Hawks have a plethora of puck-moving d-men (granted, not as good as Soupy) but only Seabrook and Hammer when it comes to stay at home types. That’s why Hammer’s here and Soupy’s gone.
Campbell's32
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
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by Campbell32 on Jun 26, 2011 6:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Read between the lines, dude.
Hammer in 09-10 was amazing. Hammer in 10-11 wasn’t so much. He’s somewhere in-between, and he’s still young and developing,
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 25, 2011 1:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Duh.
Well than your Canucks friends are fucking idiots.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's not attack fans of other fanbases just for the hell of it.
It’s childish regardless of where it comes from or who it’s directed at. All hockey fans love their teams, like seeing rivals in trouble. It happens.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Well, except their is a reason.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 25, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Call me childish all you want, Canucks and thier fans can go fuck themselves.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
Cause they love their team, hate a rival?
Chicago fans are just as merciless against Nucks fans when we beat the Nucks. Its not like Vancouver fans are all rioting idiots. Some of them, sure. But some Chicago fans can’t tell you the names of the players on their team, cause they only started watching 2 years ago.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
When did SCH turn all huggy?
I miss the days when I could call the fans of a rival team fuckwads and didn’t have ladies saying “Mike! That’s not nice!”
Red Wings fans can get railed by a fat one too.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Red Wings fans can indeed get railed too.
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I just think it makes you look ignorant
But continue if it makes you happy.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
is this about
telling our readership to not call Canuck fans certain names or about Campbell and our impending doom of not having 4 puck-movers on defense?
Because you’re boring me, dude.
no offense
but you sound like an idiot right now, bro.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
by boldmatter on Jun 25, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thank you.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Randomly attacking fans of other teams is bush-league.
When you’re in a series, on a game-night, or in the build-up/aftermath to a game. Go for it. I love it.
Randomly lashing out at Canucks fans is just stupid and pointless.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Okay, wait.
Now you’re making exceptions.
So I’m okay to call fans of rival teams shitbirds when we’re playing them, but in the offseason it’s not okay.
Can you make a list of all these rules? This is hard.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
I'll simplify it.
When hockey is ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED, it’s cool.
When the two teams and fanbases are completely removed from one another, lashing out makes you look like a petty fucking imbecile.
Better?
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Look man your the one who came talking about Canucks fans....so dont shit your pants when people express their disgust with the douchiest fanbase in the league.
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Uh huh
And the douchiness is based on what? 5000 people rioting in a city of 3 million fans?
Canucks fans are no more vocal or uneducated about their team than any other fans in the world.
I know. I’ve lived in just about every major hockey market, including CHicago.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Who said anything about riots?
Please dont come here and ask to to accept Vancouver fans are just peachy. Because were not going to.
/doesnt speak for group
// but will anyway
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Hjammer
you’re lucky mhsliver didn’t pull the ole “Do you play hockey?” line on you. They were THIS close!!
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he may have actually one-upped the "Do you play hockey" line..
He pulled the “Have you lived in every major hockey market?” line…
That’s WAY beyond the “have you played” line, in my book…
I mean, he pretty much said that none of us are qualified to comment on other fans, because we haven’t lived among them… only he has.
So yeah, he trumped “have you played?”
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
hey!
can you answer these questions in the positive?..
a) have you played HOCKEEEEY
b) do you run some charities
c) which major market do you live in? do you understand the implications of loose commenting on these markets? well? DO YOU?
if you answered “Who gives a shit” to any of these questions GETS OFF THE INTERNETS NOWZ!!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you'll do your homework
Hatred of those asswipes here goes back well before morons in Vancouver decided to go apeshit on their own city.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
I give up.
I figured being civil in the off-season was basic hockey sense.
But you’re right. Screaming and insulting each other back and forth when no hockey is being played, the rivalry is completely static, that totally makes you smart AND a real fan.
So go for it.
I will just be here laughing at you.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
He wasnt laughing at me!
But he can feel free too….just like most girls when they see my melted tootsie roll….sigh :(
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Classic Passive - Agressive behavior
First uses other Nucks fans as proof of his thesis of how the Hawks are the bottom – dwellers of the league, gets called on his silly butressing, then take the moral high ground after being extremely douchey. Must be a Nucks fan. Nice Trollbotting, Einstein.
Last thing on this before I go get on a plane
I just saw you’re a Nucks fan yourself. As a Hawks fan that posts regularly at SLGT, let me give you some advice: If you’re going to post on a rival’s blog, get ready to read mean shit, deal with it, and realize that if you’re not a shithead, they’re probably not reffering directly to you with the hatred. They post FAR worse shit about Hawks fans there, but I count a lot of those guys as friends I hang out with in STL.
If you can’t not take this shit person, get a thicker skin or get off the internet.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not taking it personally.
I think it’s immature and unintelligent.
I think it reflects poorly on you and Chicago Blackhawks fans.
But I’ve been called bad things by Chicago fans, worse things by Vancouver fans.
I still know great people that are fans of both, respect both teams for playing great hockey, and respect both fanbases for sticking through high and low times.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
well you can do all that somewhere else if the attitude here offends you.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not offended.
Just pointing out the idiocy of it all.
If that offends you… I don’t know what to tell you. Cause I’ll still point it out regardless.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
What a Poncey Boy
You know what “reflects poorly on you and Nucks Fans?” Yeah, you already know the answer.
a-fucking-men
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 8:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Population of VAN
Greater Vancouver Regional District regional district 2,249,725 2007
They are not ALL VAN fans.
Weak argument alert!
Who are you a fan of? Your answer will prove your point.
Uh oh, we all know what's coming next
“and I actually PLAYED THE GAME, SO I KNOW THINGS>”
Nope. Still need more clarification
Does this apply when BOTH teams are playing, or just one? So when the Hawks were eliminated and Nucks still playing, do I have to be nice? I mean, if so this whole site was breaking that rule.
Also, if a Canucks fan is being an ass monkey in the offseason, do I get to call him out on it, or do I just have to smile and be nice because there is no hockey.
Does this extend to preseason, or only regular season? Do offseason workouts, or prospect tourneys, provide exceptions to these rules?
Man, I’m gonna need you to codify this. Shit is tough.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
Yes, and so if bringing up their idiotic meathead opinions
You don’t seem to understand why we have a problem with your original thesis. “Well, some of my friends who are big fans of the Nucks think the Hawks will suck next year, you can BOOK IT!”
Yeah, let's just attack our team's GM before all the chips fall.
I have never hated a GM as much as I hate Stan Bowman. He is quite clearly unqualified for the role, and banking completely on the name his father made coaching… not managing, but coaching.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Again, posted at 3am when I was inebriated from a night of partying with friends.
But no, I don’t like Bowman.
The fact that Jon Scott is a member of our team and the man has gone on record as saying he expects Scott to play a BIGGER defensive role next year…
yeah, I don’t like him.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Then don't bring up other fan's opinions on our team
Who gives a fuck what your friends from one of our biggest rivals think?
just for the hell of it
is all the reason i need..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Canucks are going to be able to rebuild quickly
They should be top contenders again this year. They should have won the cup this year.
No
They should not have. Nor should they ever.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes they should have
they had a far better team than we did and are still better than us at this current moment. I care little for meatball arguments about the Chicago’s version of the Heat on ice. If you cannot admit that they are a very skilled team than I do not know what to tell you.
Yes, they completely dominated us
So much so that they went collectively apeshit after winning the series by one…fucking…goal. Wow, we should be embarassed by that kind of performance against such obvious world – beaters.
And if you do the math
we actually outscored them in the series, though not that it matters in the end.
Not really.
Boston was the better team.
If you’re entire strategy is to respond to physical play with an effective powerplay, you can;t disappear in the final round and expect to win.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
totally disagree
Roster wise they were built far better. They just shutdown which is something they continually do, not sure you can compensate for that. Sure they were outplayed, but on paper Vancouver looked better.
if you continually 'shutdown' when it matters most
why would they deserve to win?
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
Should
implies that they were robbed, or circumstances beyond their control kept them from winning. Their mental collapse into utter d-baggery was completely within their control.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
They didn't collapse into utter d-baggery.
Honestly, the whole media story that Vancouver was playing dirty or whatever was kind of ridiculous.
They became ineffectual. No more, no less.
You can’t check out in the Stanley Cup finals and say you deserved to win.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
You can't check out in the SC finals and say you should have won either
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
?
I don’t get the point of this response.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
that's because it was a reply fail
woops, i waylon’d
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by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
They were built to win the Stanley Cup, won the Hart trophy, looked like the team to beat
All I am suggesting is that if they would have played how they played for the majority of the season, they would have most likely won the SC.
But I am so sick of talking about the Canucks. It almost seems like more attention is paid to them than the Hawks itself. I will acknowledge that I see the point that you are trying to make.
They won the Hart? Impressive.
Also, they played in easily the weakest division in hockey during the regular season.
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-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Jun 25, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Hehe
yep the whole team. That would be either one incredible team, or one really crappy rest of the league.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
If the whole team bites and pulls hair
Can’t the whole team win the Hart/Lindsay too?
They did nearly sweep the regular season hardware...
and I am very pleased that they did.
Anyway…
What are we doing about that #2C?
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
Hopefully alot.
For some reason it always seems to get overlooked
No worries, this was the plan all along!
2C, or not 2C - that is the question...
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
okay, fine
if you continually shutdown when it matters most, why should you win? The Power Play was somewhere that the Canucks were supposed to DEFINITIVELY dominate the Bruins. The Bruins PP was an insult to clown shoes throughout the playoffs. The Canucks have back to back Art Ross Trophy winners on their top line and a Selke winner on their 2nd line, not to mention great center depth in Malhotra and even Lappiere. The Bruins weren’t NEARLY as good a team on paper in anything but goaltending, but hockey is played in real life and in real life, the Bruins played much, much better.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
Hockey isn't played on paper.
Boston played better than Vancouver. Hence, they were the better team.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
on paper means nothing if you can't deliver on ice
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I know
I never said that the Canucks outplayed the Bruins. The Bruins beat the Canucks and took advantage of the Canucks mentally shutting down. Same reason the Hawks won game 4 and 5.
Ah, the old Sedin argument
Yeah, they totally mentally just shut down against the Hawks, only reason why they got back into the series. As to the Hawks’ actual play against them, pffft.
Last two years the Hawks took them out they were better on paper too
What’s your point?
Chicagoan in the Lou.
What?
No they weren’t.
2009, maybe you could argue Vancouver was better on paper. Closer to a toss-up.
2010, Chicago was in a different stratosphere. Nobody believed Vancouver was coming out of that series on top except for the Canucks and some homer ‘analysts’
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
If I wasn't so damn lazy
I’d go find those posts from analysts pick Vancouver in 7 in 2010.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
Please do.
I’d love to find new analysts to follow for the sake of humor/entertainment.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
"Should have" don't mean shit.
They didn’t get it done.
If they should have then they would have.
The only thing that matters is results, not potential.
Woulda, shoulda, coulda. Fuck that. When the Hawks had the chance they manned up and got it done. Chicago Balckhawks – 2010 Stanley Cup Champions. Get back to me when Vancouver can put that ‘champion’ thing after their name.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Proving once again
That rioting is pretty much all the Nucks fans are good at.
I agree because we have no idea if the Hawks can land
any really good free agents until it is in writing.( Also worried that in order to get a really go free agent they will use up all the cap space they just made)
So they’ve stopped burning cars long enough to realize that the Draft is going on this weekend? Progress.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Fucking awesome we picked up Saad.
Hopefully (in the future) McNeill and Saad will anchor this Hawks team down the middle for a long time.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Your love affair with Campbell
is a bit overdone. Your assertion that Campbell is the only reasonable veteran voice is a joke, and your insistence that the team is shit without Campbell is just plain ignorant of the other 40 minutes that are played by the rest of the defensemen on the team.
Apparently when the Blackhawks are playing all their other shitty defensemen they’re just waiting to get off the ice so that a recharged Brian Campbell can step back on for his shift the blow the tits off the opposing team with his god like puck moving skills.
For all the things you’ve listed that Brian Campbell does, you’ve mostly bypassed all the things he really doesn’t do that we needed him to do which are outlined pretty well in Jesse Rogers’ blog…oh sorry, you don’t like him anymore because he doesn’t agree with you guys or follow your twitter or some arrogant B.S. like that.
I think with Brian Campbell you’ve taken up a sword and shield to defend him from the “meatheads” and their crusade against him and in doing so you’ve taken up for own crusade.
I really really love and check this blog every single day, more than any other but the doomsaying and absolute venom directed toward Stan Bowman is just childish. Those were a couple pretty bold moves and we really need to see how this plays out during the rest of free agency.
Apparently when the Blackhawks are playing all their other shitty defensemen they’re just waiting to get off the ice so that a recharged Brian Campbell can step back on for his shift the blow the tits off the opposing team with his god like puck moving skills
I don’t think Sam said that at all, but I’m sure you’re just reading between the lines. What else did Sam not write and meant to that you care to point out to us?
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 25, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You may not have noticed
But the other 40 minutes of the Hawks play was severely impacted by a mentally exhausted Keith making absolutely shitty puck-moving decisions.
Keith, for all is strengths, also isn’t half as good on the PP as Soupy was.
Finally, Soupy publicly called out his teammates for not treating games during the season with enough importance, while everyone else was still patting themselves on the back for winning the cup the year before. So if he isn’t the only veteran voice, he’s the only one with the balls to make himself known.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Losing Soupy without a good puck-moving replacement
Is just going to force Keith and Seabs to play more time, cause Leddy and Hjammer and Campoli and Scott (HA!) are NOT good enough to be put out against MOST important players.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
because there are no more moves for Stan to make this offseason…
by Fightin Werds on Jun 25, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, I will ask...
….please name a second-line caliber puck-moving defensemen that is RFA, UFA, or likely to be traded for something the Hawks can offer.
If you can propose a single scenario that would fill the hole that Bowman has created, then I will be happy to live under the assumption that it will be made reality.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Was there a scenario yesterday where Brian Campbell waived his trade clause to go to fucking Florida?
Please, answer that for me and I will be happy.
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stranger things have happened why don't you just sit the fuck back and wait to see
instead of running around spouting this nonsense, come july and we are still fucked then you are welcome to peddle your doomsday scenarios.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What doomsday scenarios?
You equate saying that the defensive situation at the moment is poor to strapping on a piece of poster-board and yelling ‘the end is nigh’
I will happily and eagerly wait to see if Bowman can fill the hole he’s created. I have little faith in the man based on past statements and decisions.
As for what happened with Campbell, it only occurred because a franchise was DESPERATE to hit cap floor. Extenuating circumstances of legendary proportions.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
Extenuating circumstances of legendary proportions.
Kinda like how Soupy got his contract in the first place?
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Campbell was so good on the power play
that he hasn’t played on the number one unit since his first year here and last year rarely played on the PP at all.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
They didn't need him on the first unit.
Or do you suggest that they load up the first unit with ALL their major PP performers, and then send out a number 2 unit or shlubs?
Cause you know, the smart idea is usually to have two units, with the effective weapons spread across them both.
And yes, Campbell did get PP time on the second unit.
Keith, for his part, spent most of his time on the PP firing pucks into shin-pads.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
So Campbell was better than Keith on the PP
but the Hawks played Keith on the top unit because they wanted worse players to get more ice time. Makes perfect sense.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh for the love of...
No, they played Keith on the top PP because he is a competent PP performer.
If you’re rolling Kane, Toews, Sharp, then you have to leave SOMETHING for the second unit, or else it’s not going to get anything done.
What don’t you understand about spreading resources intelligently when you need 2 viable lines?
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
But he's not half as good as Campbell on the PP
according to you. So the Hawks actively made their power play worse by playing someone who wasn’t as good for twice as much time while the better player played on the second unit which saw significantly less time.
What don’t you understand about getting called out for making sweeping generalizations?
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The better player in one position.
I would argue that the first PP is overall more dangerous because of the forwards involved.
I would argue that the back-end of the 2nd unit is better.
There, done.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
And you're wrong
but continue thinking that.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I will.
And I’m confident it will bear out next season when the 2nd unit becomes significantly more ineffectual.
Hopefully Keith isn’t a shin-pad-hitting headcase next season. But with the amount of minutes he’s liable to play to try and mask the holes in the defense, I’d say he’ll probably be mentally exhausted by the all-star break.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
OK
I haven’t read the replies to this comment yet, but please SBN add an “IGNORE” button.
do you suggest that they load up the first unit with ALL their major PP performers, and then send out a number 2 unit or shlubs?
Yes, Mr. Wizard. That’s what the Hawks did all season long and what the trend has been overall in the NHL.
Do you play watch hockey?
And what does
Keith, for his part, spent most of his time on the PP firing pucks into shin-pads.have to do with El Duque’s original statement
[Campbell] hasn’t played on the number one unit since his first year here and last year rarely played on the PP at all.So by confirming what El Duque said, you are somehow refuting it? I love this new strategy. I must try!
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
This statment:
. While Captain Marvel was laughing off suggestions of missing the playoffs, while Patrick Kane was grinning like a goof, while Duncan Keith was throwing his teammates under the bus before admitting he didn’t care for a portion of the season, Campbell knew exactly what the team was pissing away last year. And he didn’t hesitate to say so. You got an idea to replace that?
Campbell proved he was the only veteran voice. The entire team laughed off everyone’s assertion that the team was not performing and fucking losing. Anytime someone dare suggest that the season is heading in the wrong direction everyone laughed them off like they were idiots, except for Campbell. Probably because Campbell has been in the position far more often than Toews and Kane.
So bascially when the Hawks were completely shitting the bed, losing there way out of the playoffs, we saw a shocked Kane and Toews go from a " We are gonna get hot" to a “We gotta get hot”. The Hawks never did really get all that hot, and were unable to string wins together. Ending up depending on the Minnesota Wild to back into the playoffs.
It's pretty obvious that 22 year olds won't mature
and will not become veteran voices. It’s also pretty obvious the Hawks won’t fill this void in the off-season.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
We're talking about the here and now.
Yes, they will mature.
You know what helps 22 year olds mature?
30 year olds who know the ups and downs of hockey keeping their fucking eyes on the prize.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
right...
because Seabs or Toews or Keith will ruin the young kid. We’re ruined, ruuuuuuined.!
I didn't say that.
But none of them stepped up and said ‘this shit has got to stop’ the same way Campbell did when he said that the team wasn’t taking mid-season games seriously enough.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Brian Campbell...need I go on?
To be fair, these were comments to the media, they weren’t internal. I highly suspect most guys in the dressing room knew they were fucking up and said as much. When a camera is turned on you it can be really different. Good for Campbell for saying it, but I don’t think yuo can take comments made to the media as the same things that get said in the dressing room.
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by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 8:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks, but
My girlfriend was filming me when I wrote it … normally I’d have snapped. I’d have pulled that asshole open, stepped up in that asshole, closed the door behind me and taken out a spraypaint can, painted “Chico was here.”
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by ChicoMaki on Jun 26, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LMAO
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 26, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Maturity has nothing to do with idiocy and pompous behavior
First of all I never suggested that Kane and Toews and all the other young players were going to become veterans. In fact last year’s displayed showed just how much growing they have to do.
It was obvious that many players thought they were going to waltz into the fucking thing. Not realizing just how thin the line is between contention and not. Anytime they were asked about having concerns about all the loses, they just looked at the person like they were big idiots and laughed at them. Then you see them at the end of the season, just losing a must win game to make it into the playoffs and they are sitting in shock. A 22 year old can take his job seriously. It wasn’t a lack of maturity so much as it was a display of immaturity.
And Sam’s point was that Campbell’s voice will be missed greatly. It is a very valid point. It has nothing to do with Toews and Kane specifically. There is much more to this team than those two. The reason I brought up them specifically is they are the two that get interviewed in the locker room the most.
They didn’t take it very seriously, as noted: Duncan Keith said he wasn’t interested. He wasn’t the only one. Just the person dumb enough to say it.
Seems like some are putting way too much stock into a couple of Brian Campbell quotes
Otherwise I have no idea why so many people are worried about lack of veteran leadership when there’s about 7 open roster spots on this team and none of them have been filled yet.
Let’s wait until September before we ritually light ourselves on fire.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
not just his quotes, but other quotes
For a large portion of this season Campbell was the only one who appeared to be worried. Not only that, but almost everyone else laughed off the notion that the team was royally fucking up. That pissed me off.
On the second note, I guess you just have more faith in the organization than some other people do.
It's not about having faith in the organization
it’s about not wailing about roster construction while the team is barely half filled.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 25, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Dammit El Duque
I’m agreeing with you way too much in one day for my comfort level!
815, why the sweeping generalizations? I don’t recall any member of the Hawks “laughing off” anything.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t subscribe to this notion that the rest of the team was laughing off the season and didn’t give a shit and neither should Sam or you.
by Fightin Werds on Jun 25, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
this!
I think that it’s certainly an interpretation of certain quotes and events, but it’s by no means solid fact. I won’t definitively say that isn’t what happened but I also won’t say that’s what DID.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
at no point in this rather long post did you provide a reason why Campbell isn't as good as Sam (and others) think he is.
How long do I have to like the Bruins now?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
twitter is KILLING me
adamjahns Random yells from the Minny crowd during Van picks now: “You need a new goalie.” / “Is he a biter?”/ “Luongo is a rioter.” …
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
Before Winnipeg ever enters that division they know they have the Canucks psychologically fucked with Ladd and Byfuglien. I will enjoy every second watching the Jets continue to dismantle them every chance I get.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Psychologically fucked?
The first star of this game begs to differ.
I see both sides of the argument. However I'm waiting
to see what we do in Free Agency before I make my final judgement on these trades. I liked Brouwer but he was a ghost the 2nd half of last year. I think some of it had to do with Q just not liking him for whatever reason but the rest of it had to do with his play. Bottom line is the Hawks aren’t going to pay a guy $2.5 mil that Q likes to bury on the 4th line.
I liked Soupy and the Hawks were a better team with him then without him, you can’t argue that. However this may have been a one time chance to move that contract and while Soupy is still productive now, who knows what he’ll be like in years 6,7, and 8 of that deal. I think this was a move SB had to make while he could, right or wrong.
All that being said we now have to use the cap space to build a better, deeper team. Bottom line is that this team was an 8 seed last year and was one and done. I don’t know about you guys but it’s actually refreshing to see an organization not accept anything less then the Cup every year and have the balls to make tough decisions even when they’re not popular sometimes. I wish some of the other Chicago teams would follow the Blackhawks lead.
Can’t wait till Friday.
Thank your for some sanity.
This fucking guy up here is yelling about the sky falling….we have no fucking clue what the Hawks are going to look like next year. So lets chill out.
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the backlash has been ridiculous
I was expecting more level-headedness from folks around here.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW- 'This fucking guy' is not referring to same...but to Sliver
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I don't think its crazy to expect some kneejerk emotional reactions
when some of people’s favorite players, and ones they thought were important to the team are gone.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of are being level - headed
There is just a handful of commenters who are completely batshit crazy today.
you have been on SCH before - right?
level-headedness when either Campbell or Huet are/were involved is not normally what happens
Is it October yet?
some don't trust the organization, others do
I take more of a “prove me wrong” approach. It is okay to not like the Campbell move and use it to fuel concern. As I noted, this organization has made some moves and statements that do not really inspire confidence.
I mentioned this before … with Soupy in the line-up we’d be digging to ice virtually the same team that finished 8th by a stroke of huge luck. Replace Brouwer with X, Stalberg with Y, Johnson with Z, etc. There was an extremely limited amount of cash to go around, and you can’t replace a 1.5 million dollar player with a 1.5 million dollar player and expect a whole lot better. Our second d-pairing has taken a significant hit. But we have money now to fill out other glaring holes on the wings and on our third pairing. We’ll have more depth this coming year. It’s an attempt to ice something better than an 8th-place squad. We’ll see what happens. I’d rather this than do nothing and expect a miracle to work us up from 8th.
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Stan's to-do-list
1. Prove 815Sox wrong.
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by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 8:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
After Calming Down for a Night, "Balanced Thoughts"
Without the vitriol that led to me trying to punch people and destroy things last night, here’s my thoughts.
1 – StanBow sounded like he was all excited about young players – including BEACH – yesterday (which is an about face from everything we’ve heard from everybody in the organization), and of course there are good young players. Unfortunately, finding room for young players who could use more Rock-vegas time does not make for a legit Stanley Cup Contender next year.
2 – This money is gonna get eaten up by the Sharp, Fro, and Cannoli deals. Which, ok, that’s fine as long as none of them get egregiously overpaid, but I don’t think there’s going to be some massive pickup. Cole would be, in my mind, the most gangbusters pickup we could get (or Ladd if he doesn’t accept a QO?), and that wouldn’t really help the current D situation, obviously.
3 – The D situation is not easily repairable. Kaberle is a joke, he was known as overrated by anybody who wasn’t drinking the Leafs’ kool-aid. Bieksa ain’t coming here, and I’d probably need therapists to help me with that transition anyway. I’m sorry, but $3.5m for Matt Carle, as some people were throwing around on capgeek, is not a very wise investment. That said, an Ehrhoff pickup, and I’m looking for a 50th-floor window. Olsen ain’t ready, Leddy isn’t pairing with Hjammer for the #2 pairing. This situation needs fixing, because John Scott is not allowed to have “the inside track” to the opening night #6 day man, as Jesse Rogers wrote last night. I don’t know what’s coming, but something better be.
-4 This forward group really does need some grit. I’m not talking John Scott or goonsmanship or Paste-eating Eager or anything else. But aside from Bickell and some of the weirder things Dave Bolland does, this group just is gonna get ground down by the knuckle-draggers on Van, the grinders on LA, etc. If no one thinks Beach is an immediate answer, that situation needs immediate rectifying as well, and Erik Cole’s glass shoulders aren’t the solution.
Bowman bought himself flexibility last night, he opened the door to some of the exciting unknowns in the organization. But he also made glaring some of our weaknesses from last year, and if Jesse Rogers’ moronic prediction is right – that no big signings/trades will be made, it will just be re-sign Sharp/Cannoli/Fro and plug the new guys in, this team will have a massive learning curve next year, and will struggle to hang with the Western Conference big boys.
Can i get a link to stan talking about beach?
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 25, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Link
""There are always opportunities throughout the year if you’ve got some space in your cap," he added. “We didn’t have that luxury last year. It’ll give a lot of options for us. Once we sort it out, we can figure out how we’re going to allocate the money better.”
In giving up Brouwer, Bowman said it would create space for some of the team’s promising young forwards, such as Kyle Beach and Jeremy Morin.
“We’re fortunate in our situation. We’ve got a lot of young players we need to find spots for,” Bowman said. “The time comes sometimes where you’ve got to make room for players, whether it’s Beach or Morin or a lot of other guys in our system that play kind of a similar game as Troy.”"
4 solutions in FA and possible trades for all that...
1. Morin will contribute next year. I’m not gonna spin this one way or the other, but he’ll contribute a lot.
2. Erik Cole is a serious top 6 target now, and would answer a lot of questions. And, there are plenty of trade options in play, IE Brian Boyle, Adam Hall or even Scott Hartnell ( :D ).
3. Steve Montador, Scott Hannan, Steve Eminger, Jim Vandermeer, Ian White, Paul Mara, Marc-Andre Bergeron, and Jeff Woywitka; all available in UFA.
4. Refer back to point #2… There’s guys out there too be had in FA and by trades. One I didn’t mention is a Matt Bradley. Or Ruslan Fedotenko. And even from within… Is anyone aware that Bicks was 22nd in the entire league in hits last year in a limited role? And he’s still relatively young… What if he gets better and commits even more to his physical style.
There are many answers to these issues and situations. All is not lost.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 25, 2011 2:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure everyone has read at least one scenario
regarding the Hawks offering a trade to the Bs for Peverley. Just fishing for people’s thoughts about this.
The Bs are stacked at center, and I really can’t see him wanting to play 3rd or 4th line minutes. He also has a good cap hit for a player of his caliber.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I think his cap-hit
is going to keep him in Boston
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking also
Wouldn’t mind seeing him in an Indian head between Hossa & whoever though
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Re: #2… My guess is they’d be better off picking up a true 2nd line center — moving Sharp back to wing while also letting Bolland play 3rd line (with Frolik? Bicks? Blossoming chemistry…), where he seems to be well-suited.
And Re: #3… There’s been some talk over picking up a “gritty” D-man who can actually play NHL minutes. How about UFA Shane O’Brien? He seems to be decent bang for the buck, in terms of shot-blocking, hits, and PK minutes. I understand that he takes dumb penalties but is apparently “maturing.” Could take some pressure off of Hammer? Any thoughts as to (a) how interested the Hawks might be and (b) for how much he could be had?
Be careful with the SOB suggestion.
His name is heresy to some here.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 25, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You lost me at "Jesse Rogers wrote"
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
well at least you read half of the comment then...
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
I think something else to thing about is that
freeing up some of this money will let us field a team of real NHL players which we didn’t have last year. Hawks need to do what the Nucks did last offseason. As much as I’d like them to add Brad Richards as long as they get Frolik and Campoli signed and add some other pieces (like how the Nucks got guys like Malhotra, Torres and Hamhuis) that will improve the team’s depth.
It means no more signing 500K guys like Pisani, Cullmore and Scott or having to take guys at Rockford that are making similar money ala Jake Dowell. It will also allow most of their young talent to develop at Rockford rather than rushing them up when they’re not ready.
It’s a nice Saturday, so everyone grab some beers and chill the fuck out and enjoy themselves. There will be life after Soupy and Brow.
Has anyone checked on Hack? Is he okay?
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i saw a passed out drunk in the gutter this morning...
How long do I have to like the Bruins now?
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by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
dude's got to have a hobby..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I missed this when it happened
I pooped at first, but then came to the realization that someone else will be brought in. That guy will most likely be OK. Had too many puck movers and getting rid of the most expensive, oldest, non Norris winner makes sense from the business end. Nick Leddy is gonna sink or swim. My money says he swims / skates to the top of the NHL for D men next season.
Brouwer. Hopefully for him he can fill Knuble’s shoes. I doubt it though.
Lot’s of money now.
that is alot of stock put into Leddy
You really think he is going to become one of the best defenders in the NHL next year? Also, it is often usually not a good idea to throw rookies into sink/swim situations. Adds lots on unnecessary stress. Leddy would have been best served by more time in Rockford.
Is he still a rookie?
Lots of rookies do well in the NHL. Maybe not D men that often. Is he Doug Wilson? No, but he could turn out a heck of a lot better offensively than Keith. If he is paired up with Sewabrook or Hammer, he should be OK.
Having said all this, I never though I would need to because Campbell was going to be here.
I may be mistaken but,
Fowler played decently for the Quacks last season and he was a rookie right? Leddy played decently and should be better this season.
Since I am not a scout or director of personnel, I’ll continue to put my faith in the people that do this for a living.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Blues picked up a good young player today. Grachev.
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anyone know anything about our 1st 7th round pick?
nhl.com doesnt even have a profile page
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
small bits
http://www.omaha.com/article/20101007/MAVS01/101009795
http://pointstreak.com/prostats/playerpage.html?playerid=4254640&seasonid=5969
Funny bit … Terry Broadhurst, Alex’s brother, was at our prospects camp last year and played really well.
www.mjt.org
On blackhawks.com
Did Stan compare Beach to Brouwer and tacitly imply he may be up this year?
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 25, 2011 2:31 PM CDT reply actions
I was thinking the same thing.
Either he is gonna get his shit together or he isn’t. If it’s gonna happen, he is gonna need to be surrounded by players that can keep him in line. Barring stupid penalties, he can’t be worse on offense than Scott is on defense
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I can imagine Seabrook saying
" Chill the fuck out bitch." I’d listen to him.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
You & me both!
Maybe he just needs the opportunity, I mean it’s gotta’ be depressing & disheartening to see players drafted after you already playing with the big club. By no means am I excusing some of his behavior, but who knows, he may just surprise everyone. I hope so because I think, with the right guidance he could be a very strong net presence for the Hawks. He has the size and he certainly has the attitude, maybe he just needs the chance and some people around him to keep him in line.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I laughed.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 25, 2011 2:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Quit raining on my parade! I'm trying to remain positive
No matter how misguided my thoughts may be.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
This was a good move.
I know your hot for soupy but they guy is done. He has been regressing at a steady rate. Yes he was +28. But he didn’t play against top lines. Basically Campbell doesn’t help Keith. I know he’s your favorite. Thats obvious to anyone who has read your stuff over the years but at 7.1mil/yr he is the most expensive Dman in the league who plays at about the 4million level. That’s the definition of replaceable. The UFA list for Dmen is huge this year. Stop
Not sure if anyone was aware of this but,
According to The Hockey News, the Nucks were interested in Brouwer
No worries, this was the plan all along!
What sort of music do you want?
More dubstep, or just anything?
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
According to the Twitterverse, Dale Tallon spoke to Campbell personally
And helped pitch the trade and convince him to waive the NMC. Who else thinks that Campbell might be the Captain of the 2011-2012 Panthers?
Never doubted that Dale spoke to him personally
The C part is interesting though.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The team has no captain at this moment,
Furthermore Campbell is currently the winningest Panther. He’ll have 1st line privileges, lots of playing time, most likely be captain of a young team that could use his direction and sound leadership. And no income tax on his 7.1$ million.
Not the toughest sell to make, but the opportunity cost is hard to give up, I get it. Still, at his age, maybe he’d like a shot at being an official, tenured leader of an NHL team? While he’s a few years shy of his twilight?
No, I completely agree
just didn’t consider the captaincy angle and I think he’d make a good one.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
slight correction
he will pay income tax on part of his salary. Just not on the income he makes while playing home games.
It's so
Florida does not collect income taxes. Knew a lot of folks in the military who claimed Florida as their home for that very reason.
well, this degenerated from unnecessary to downright bizarre in a hurry.
Yea that I knew
I was referring to aeroplane’s point that taxation depends on where each game is played.
Stacie?
This is your cue to say something optimistic everyone can agree on. Please? The hysterical masses need calming.
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
her silence concerns me
How long do I have to like the Bruins now?
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by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I needed time for reflection today
Basically there is no need to get your undies all up in a bunch yet. Do we have our full roster yet? No we don’t. Other pieces are going to be added to the Hawks puzzle. Lets wait and see what we have to work with before we all go jumping off the ledge. I know it’s a pipe dream (not ever going to happen) but what if we pick up Weber? (I know I’m laughing at myself too) Would you all be bitching about getting rid of Campbell for him?
OK so maybe our new little injury prone Olesz doesn’t have the best stats. He did spend much of the season injured last year so how good could his stats have been? Did he have his knee surgery? Will he be ready to go by October? Do you remember another guy we totally loved in the 2009-2010 season who had knee surgery? Anyone remember Burish? Granted he wasn’t one of our top line guys, but he brought a little something extra to the locker room and did give the team a little shot of confidence when he returned after his surgery. How do we know what this guy will bring to the table?
I know my words mean little comfort to most of you and trust me I’m not delusional and I am a little concerned for our team next year, but hey anything can happen and don’t ever forget THERE’S ALWAYS HOPE!!!!!
Now where’s that kool-aid I’ve been working on?
Is it October yet?
Is this the time for ....
Kyle Beach to show who he really is to the organization. Stay with me here folks……
Bring up beach in the preseason and first few games and put him on a line with Toews and Hossa. Let Toews stare his ass down a few times after doing some stupid shit. Make him carry Hossa’s bags. If this kid can’t hold it down, then send him back up I-90 or down the road.
The kid has some skill and has shown to be a PPG player, but needs a reality check that he can’t get in the AHL.
Crazy? Or crazy like a fox?
angry bird is angry .
Nope, sane.
Stan Bowman brought up his name, alongside Morin, as a potential replacement for Brouwer.
I thought Klinky was the guy who was going to stick next season
or at least it sure sounded like it, judging by Stan’s recent comments about him.
He could’ve used Kim Johnsson as well considering how both had the tendency to disappear around March.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Canucks were debating Beach, but took Hodgson instead
Will this be the year that we can make a decision on whether that was the right move?
Yeah, I buy this.
And especially this
The kid has some skill and has shown to be a PPG player, but needs a reality check that he can’t get in the AHL.
I’d love it if he became the Brouwer we always wanted Brouwer to be. Plus additional Justin Bieber-esque cuteness.
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
http://rock-on-chicago.blogspot.com/
Kyle Beach? Cute?
If Beach is comparable to any famous teenaged Canadian, it’s Nathan Kotylak.
Justin Bieber cuteness? - oh no you didn't?
Gah! – that was funny though…
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
I flagged this comment based upon the fact that a Justin Bieber reference was used. Never on this blog should that ever happen.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Bue he is Quebecois, which makes him a Canuck, remember...
Everyone is a Canuck.
All Canucks have charities.
Therefore all who give to charity are Canucks, and therefore Canux.
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
Bieber-esque cuteness?
so you’re saying he looks like a girl?
How long do I have to like the Bruins now?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry guys,
the Bieber = cute comment was taken from an extremely hilarious Beach quote last year. He was asked “Bieber or Gaga,” and he answered “Bieber.” When pressed for a why, he responded with “Cause he’s cute.”
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
http://rock-on-chicago.blogspot.com/
I mean, come on...
that ish was funny.
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
http://rock-on-chicago.blogspot.com/
I like the idea of Beach on the big club
but top 6 minutes…..yikes, I don’t know…..No harm in preseason I suppose.
Hey, how about Shane O'Brien on the 2nd pairing?
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 25, 2011 5:11 PM CDT reply actions
Like many of my fellow posters above
I will reserve judgement pending completion of the roster. One must suspect StanBow has a plan. At least I hope he does.
However, that will not prevent me from engaging in Wild Speculation, one of my favorite hobbies, along with long walks on the beach, Sudoku, and the occasional spirited game of Hide the Wiener.
With the large amount of cap space cleared, it seems reasonable to expect StanBow to dip into the free agent pool deeper than the John Scott level. With the gaping hole in the defense following Soup’s departure, it seems reasonable to expect StanBow to be looking at high-level D-men.
With Soup gone, Campoli seems certain to return at a higher salary than he might have otherwise received. With Brou gone, one can speculate that might pave the way for the return of TomoKop. And a new deal for Shooter seems fairly likely.
Here’s to hoping the Soup hole can be filled. And not by John Scott. Please.
Don't make me come over there
There are interviews with the Draftees
on the main Hawks page.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
Could be worse
The Hawks could have traded their captain and one of the other team leaders to clear enough cap space to overpay for a 31 year old goalie for the next 9 years. Zing!
Don't make me come over there
Best quote of that article
“I would have preferred a little more risk with the second pick as the organization has way too much prospect depth, but the Hawks still came away pretty well in the first.”
Nice problem to have, eh?
right
i’ve had some time to think over here in GMT…
I’m gutted about Soupy & Brouwer going but I’m prepared to believe that Stan has the ‘Hawks best interest at heart.. so I’ll grit my teeth, hope for a genius deal out of FA or a hot trade.. and whatever happens, I’ll be yelling for the ’Hawks when the puck drops next season.. and you all will be right there too, yes?
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
Stan with a few quotes
Stan says they like John Scott on the ice..his teammates like him on the ice..they will try to find more ice for him.
Bowman on Scott: “He’s an intimidating force. We’d like to get him some more ice time”
This is per Jesse Rogers
Hossa for President, no... for GOD!
i'd like more ice for Scott..
it’s important that we pack him up correctly so that future generations may learn from our mistakes..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't mind the Scott signing as a team goon...
But I didn’t realize he didn’t know how to skate or finish a check…on anyone!
i assume he is trying to build him up in the eyes of other GMs so he can trade him to some poor soul
How long do I have to like the Bruins now?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
"Paging Dale Tallon"
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 25, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
And this is why all that Scotty has some influence crap
is just that. Crap. No way in hell would one of the greatest hockey minds of all time keep an oaf like John Scott on the team, yet alone give him ice time.
I really hope those of you claiming he’s just talking him up for a potential trade are right.
The team want to win a cup
they might like Scott on ice in practice, but acting like more ice is anything positive is dumb.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Some re-alignment talk
Not sure if this old news but I thought talk of Detroit moving out of the Western Conference would interest you all
by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 25, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions
in the 4 division format
I don’t see how Detroit and Columbus both get into the EC
How long do I have to like the Bruins now?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
based on time zones
i think.
Whatcha got there? Words?
by pointmesouth on Jun 25, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
too many teams in the Eastern time zone
you could force them both in with this scenario, but the EC would have 16 teams
How long do I have to like the Bruins now?
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah nothing that makes sense if you keep it 15/15 and if you’re only moving one columbus makes more sense than detroit. nashville more than both.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 25, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Can someone please tell me why I follow Jesse Rogers?
ESPNChiHawks
forward but they think D for now RT @Cooker21: @ESPNChiHawks You think he fits in better as forward or dman?
He’s talking about Scott. Please shoot me.
he can be like dat Bufflin guy
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by LanceFister3 on Jun 25, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
what in the hell?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Let us now forget
that the hockey oracle never shut about how Nemo deserved a huge contract, based on his playoff performance solely. Have yet to hear his great thoughts on his latest performance in the playoffs.
Fun Florida Facts
- With half of their roster now signed and with the addition of Soupy, Florida now only has $41,991,291 of cap space remaining.
- Of the 11 players signed, Campbell’s salary is almost 1/3 of Florida’s payroll.
- I go to southern Florida every year – and there are signs posted everywhere – but I have never seen a panther there.
It doesn’t seem like such a crazy move by Tallon after looking at those numbers. $42M in cap space. Wow. Just wow.
Seeing this, Vokoun should definitely ask for $10M/yr.
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 9:08 PM CDT reply actions
July 1st. headline...
Florida signs Richards, Weber, Stamkos and Bieksa and still has $10M cap space for “in season” moves… Good grief…
given some of Vokoun's interviews
I’m surprised Philly didn’t go after him. I honestly think he would have been willing to take a pay-cut to FINALLY be on a playoff team again.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
Is Dale lighting his cigars with 100 dollar bills?
Also, if they sign Vokoun for 10 mil, do they have to change their name to the Florida Canucks?
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
i'm working on a theory
Sam + 2AM posts = despair.
seriously, i really enjoyed the post, even if I disagree with lots of it, and the conversation it elicited has been very good at times.
basically, what Nesterenko’s Ghost said.
We like our people!
Did they trade Huet yet??
Just Kidding LOL Hiya kids miss me ?Just curious what happened to in Bowman we trust? This deal had to be done. Boston is cap comfy at least for the next year or two. Nucks don’t have to do much roster wise cap wise either as far as I can tell. If you’re going to knock them off you have to retool a bit. I like Campbell but on this team and the other elite teams he’s a number 3 dman making double what most #1 dmen are getting as far as the eye can see and he’s 32 yrs old. We can keep chanting Beach’s name like we did Alui’s name but this makes us a player for need players either through Fa or trade. Either Hossa, Campbell or Sharp goes maybe 2 of the 3 . The oldest guy goes. This is probably a stretch but I still think Scott could be a serviceable wing used to pummel any idiot that breathes on Kaner or toewes. Id like to see Ryan Johnson and Campoli back and if Pecker(Kopecki) gives us a hometown discount with a little nudge from his buddy Hossa, I’ve not given up on his return. Sharp gets an extention and who knows what the extra cash gets us but at least we’re in the conversation now.
Overall, not horrible...
But Scott at WING???
He’s barely serviceable as a 7th Defenseman.
At F, he is at best a pylon. At worst, he’s hazardous to the rest of our own players. He can’t skate. He plays 4 -5 minutes in a game on a good day.
No thank you.
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
I made a point of watching Scott very closely in the games he played at the end of the season and playoffs.
I am not exaggerating when I say that he couldn’t make a pass. Seriously. His passes from the D zone to the forward heading out were 5 feet or more in front of his teammate. This happened on several occasions. I cannot fathom how you could possibly think that Scott could be a wing. I’m not trying to be rude to you personally, but a “serviceable wing” is just…wow. Not even imagineable if you’ve watched the guy play.
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
That's a damn big stretch you made there
Scott on wing with Kane or Toews makes me want to vomit. Scott on the ice alone makes me want to vomit, let alone as a forward.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya think??
Most of us are trying to come to terms with Scott just being on the team, ed’s got him slotted on the 1st line!
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Did watch the guy but..
I just want him to plant his big butt in front of Louongo and other goalies, wear out defensemen trying to move him ,pummel the morons cheap shotting our guys in the O zone and let a few pucks bounce off his head and into the net. At the very least doesnt he make more room for our offense in the attacking zone? His passes may have been bad but one thing that was unmistakable was there was a lot more room in the o zone and opponents were on their best behavior around him . Example .. the game he got thrown out of against the nucks in the playoffs. You must’ve noticed the palpable difference of the nucks after Scott got tossed for really doing nothing wrong. He does have value on the offense as far as Im concerned. Not expecting secord but I think he has a role on this team
Did we have a guy to pummel people when we won the Cup?
As for positioning, there’s no argument that Buff was great in the playoffs in front of the opposition’s net, but Scott doesn’t have the hands Buff has nor can he even get set up in position before the puck is being taken the other way.
And it’s a bit hard to see much difference in how opposing teams act when he’s on the ice when he literally plays only 5-6 minutes a game. His “skill set” (if that term can be used in regard to Scott) doesn’t fit in with this team’s system at all. I don’t think he has any role on this team whatsoever if we’re going to play the brand of hockey that won the Cup: speed and puck control.
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
by Preacher000 on Jun 25, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
also, how does he wear out defensemen?
He is damn slow, never on the ice with the guys who need to be pummeled, and has no hands.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
They get exhausted
skating circles around him?
My work is done here.
Just don't let my boss know.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 25, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah by the time he gets to the net
everyone else has already gone back and forth 5 times
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they get
worn out fighting his gravitational pull? We could just put him on the far side of the opposing net and hope for the best.
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4 R Smith 0.8
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by cliffkoroll on Jun 25, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You are now free
to go after Ehrhoff. Please.
"You're wrong. You know how I know. Because I just told you." ~ me
nah you can keep him
i’ll give you Scott as a gift though
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Ehrhoff is a UFA
not mine to keep. He is a puck moving d-man, light on the D though. And he will be cheaper than Campbell’s $7,1 million.
Scott is your burden. Tie a rope between him and his partner, Scott can gain speed that way.
"You're wrong. You know how I know. Because I just told you." ~ me
we've got enough puck moving d
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jun 25, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Dale Tallon on Rostislav Olesz:
"This guy has potential to be a great player," Panthers general manager Dale Tallon said. "He’s huge and can skate. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out in Florida. I don’t know for what reasons. This guy has tremendous upside."
What a Salesman! – No wonder StanBow couldn’t pass up this nugget!
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
but is he Versatile?
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
I'm surprised he didn't just say "he's a center"
isn’t that what usually sells around these parts?
Is it October yet?
by stacie7 on Jun 26, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a salary cap world, stuff like this has to happen sometimes
I liked Campbell, but it is a big cap hit for a long time for a ‘not young’ player.
Moving that contract now might have been a touch earlier than ideal, but you gotta move when the deals are available.
I’ll reserve judgment on it until I see what StanBo does with all this newfound cap room
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
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