Who's Your Guy - Free Agent Forwards (4th Line Center Division)
by SamFels on Jun 30, 2011 1:12 PM CDT
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The companion piece to the one before it. The Hawks need a serious upgrade at the 4th line center. They need someone that Q can trust to take a regular shift, win important draws, kill penalties, provide some leadership, and on occasion be able to finish, something Ryan Johnson simply couldn't do. There are more of these out there to be had then there are top six forwards.
My feelings have been made quite clear on the subject, so what are yours? There are other options. Vernon Fiddler fits all the criteria as well as being a genuine pain in the ass that Adam Burish only pretended he was. Marcel Goc is the poor man's Fiddler, really. John Madden would be a sentimental choice, but he really might be finished. Eric Belanger provides more scoring than the rest.
So, who's your guy?
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If he can be had at a decent price
Drury is a no brainer. Plus he’ll keep those meddling kids in line.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
So long as his hips aren't shot to hell
Man, this UFA class really is the dogs balls… I have a feeling a lot of these guys are gonna get over-valued offers floated their way.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 30, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I kinda like that Fiddler guy
Not sure if Drury still has his wheels (and I have no way of knowing) if he does, then great.
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
Matt Bradley
THN Scouting Report:
ASSETS: Is a great skater and possesses good size. He’s a responsible player with agitating qualities. Will even drop the gloves if his team needs it.
FLAWS: Will never score in abundance at the National Hockey League level, mainly because of a general lack of high-end talent.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Energy depth winger.
- Would also like Joel Ward but his playoff push probably priced himself a bit high.
by GenPabloSecobar on Jun 30, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
I like Bradley, but he doesn't take draws. If he can be had on the wing for reasonable, I'm all for it.
Second City Hockey
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
Whoops...just read where this was the piece for the 4th line center.
DOH! OK, I’ll cut and paste that for later.
by GenPabloSecobar on Jun 30, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Ward would be awesome
But I’m afraid you’re right regarding the playoffs. Damn it.
Sam, You and I must be drinking the same Koolaid
because I’ve been fantasizing about the Blackhawks having a #23 sweater not being worn by Jim Vandermeer ever since Drury got bought out.
Dru’s the best penalty killer of the bunch (something we desperately need) as well as, IMO, the most cerebral defender as well (something we’ll need sans Campbell). Due to a roommate who was a Rangers fan, I’ve seen a considerable amount of Drury for the past couple seasons. Obviously last season was a debacle, however, the knock before that was that Drury didn’t score enough to warrant his contract (however, his penalty killing, checking, and faceoffs were still rather sublime).
That aside, Drury’s already pretty set financially, and so he could coincidentally be the most affordable option, and the thought of Drury slaying fourth line bums makes me salivate.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions
Right there with you
He and I both wear/wore 23 as our sweater numbers for the same reason (same as our favorite baseball player- Mattingly and Ventura respectively), and I’ve always loved Drury’s game. He’s a killer. I’ll be procuring a Drury sweater even if it’s for just a one year thing.
Second City Hockey
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
likely not (severely injured)
Otherwise New York wouldn’t have been allowed to buy him out in the first place
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Drury chose not to exercise his medical option
which allowed the Rangers to buy him out. On the other hand, I’m watching the Rangers / Caps series right now and if he is hurt, he sure isn’t playing like it.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Me too...ha ha ha, oh NHL network.
Still, like I said, I doubt Drury would have willingly put himself out to the FA pasture if he didn’t think he could get it done.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta' agree. Like I said
It doesn’t look like he is too injured. Then again he may be loaded up on pain killers. Who knows?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Wait
those are two great baseballers, but you wore #23 in Chicago and your inspiration wasn’t a certain you know who? For the vast majority of my childhood #23 was the most coveted number on every team.
Was always a Pippen guy in my youth.
Second City Hockey
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
Were you a Robin fan too?
Batman just too much man?
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jun 30, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was a Kukoc guy
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 30, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Kerr and Kukoc
a white boy can dream can’t he?
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
and Luc Longley
and Bill Wennington!
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 30, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I seem to recall Wennington going on some ridiculous hot streak in a playoff series....
but i can’t remember which one.
Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc!
Way better than the vanfucks. Those bastards just want to be us so bad.
I really liked Wennington
when he played for St. Johns, but not as much on the Bulls. Not sure why.
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Like him as a color guy
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jun 30, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
still no love for Jermaine Dye?
World Series MVP just ain’t what it used to be
On board with Team Live Bad Ass
If we end up with Drury, I feel he will be the 4th line bum getting slayed.
I just really feel his time is up. The fork has punctured everything good in that man.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 30, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree,
Watching him over the last couple seasons, he simply looked like a guy that could still compete and still contribute, but desperately needed new surroundings and a redefined role. I think that frustration got the best of him last year (with the injury concerns as well) but he could be a great forth liner, and he could really elevate the game of a kid like Smtih or Stalberg. A Drury centered 4th line could be the most formidable in the league. (Plus I wouldn’t mind stripping Keith of his “A” to give it to Drury)
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you're right (if we do acquire him, that is)
It sounds like you’ve got a better sample size of his recent play then I have. I guess my perspective on his play is pretty simple. I’ve always held him in high regard as being a “skate-through-walls” type of player requiring his highly competitive nature to get through games. I see a guy that has lost some of the physical traits that he needs to drive himself out on the ice, thereby limiting his effectiveness.
Like I said, it sounds as though you’ve seen him in action a lot more than I have (I watched maybe 3 or 4 of his 24 GP last year), so if you’re valuation is accurate he could certainly be a nice piece for us.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 30, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You have to give Drury the credit that this season was the exception and not the rule
this was the first season of his career that he failed to play 70 games, plus you’re looking at a guy that is not all that far removed from regular 50+ point seasons. I’d have no problem with a 4th center that contributes 40+ points.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
40 would be gravy
I’d be happy with 20 if it meant logging PK time, 55% on face-offs, back-up centre for important draws etc.
My thing is… I question if he can give us that. I sincerely hope he can and I certainly subscribe to the school of thought that his brain still thinks he can. If your body can’t respond physically, the mind will start to check out. If so, he will start get horsed out there.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 30, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyday they seem to be re-showing the Caps-Rangers series on NHL Network
Watch one of those games, and then tell me your opinion, if its altered at all, on whether or not Chris Drury can still bring it.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Will do, I’ll see if I can set up some PVR and check it out
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 30, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe things really went south for him in NY when Tortorella was made head coach.
As I understand it Tortorella made some drastic changes to the role Drury was to play on the team that adversely affected his effectiveness. (Exactly what those changes were I don’t know). If true, and all he needs is a change of scenery, then the Hawks should push really hard to land him. If he’s healthy and regains his mojo he might even wind up solving the #2 center problem for the short term.
Plus, I read recently (can’t remember where) that he’s eligible to have incentives included in any contract he negotiates as a free agent. Again, if this information is accurate, it might make it easier to sign him and ease the cap hit for this season and defer any bonuses he might earn until next season when a higher cap could absorb them.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Is it possible that those drastic changes were simply Torts trying to place him in a 4th line role?
If that’s what caused him to check-out, and that’s what we’re needing – that could be cause for concern. Obviously this reeks of speculation…
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 30, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually Torts' changes had him bouncing back and forth between a center and a wing on the top lines
My Ranger’s fan ex-roommate bemoaned it often
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Voted for Drury, but...
only if he’ll take a discount. If he looks for any around $2M or higher, I think Fiddler would be a better buy ($1.5-$1.6M??), especially if you’re talking about 4th line minutes.
by StopItRightThere on Jun 30, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Drury would not be that expensive because of two factors
1) He is guaranteed his next season’s pay from New York, which is considerable
2) He just got bought out, a bit an ink blotch on the reputation no?
Drury is, admittedly, a moderate risk-high reward signing, but nonetheless worth it. The business acumen still suggests to me that the potential reward outweighs the known risk.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Now I'm leaning back to Drury
Looks to be a guy with something to prove this year. Plus, he did wear the “C” in New York, so he could be a vocal leader in the clubhouse. Would you pay a bit more for that veteran leadership that the Hawks may be lacking?
by StopItRightThere on Jun 30, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Souray, Commodore, Barker and Dumont being bought out
(link) Any chance any of these guys come here (Barker not included, obviously)?
I’d kinda like to see Souray &/or Commodore for a year at a smallish Cap hit as a sort of Turco-style “prove yourself” contract, but I don’t know if that’s likely after we got the rights to Montador.
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...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
I wouldn't mind Barker if he comes cheap
Somewhere around 1.5M per. He really wasn’t that bad at all his last year with the Hawks.
by LavalPhantom on Jun 30, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
No, no, no, no
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jun 30, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Won't ever happen
But really? You think the guy is not worth being a 5-6 Dman? He can hit, eat minutes, put up 25+ points and is not sooooooo bad defensively (for a 5-6). No?
by LavalPhantom on Jun 30, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Just my opinion
He had his chance here and did nothing with it. He’s not Big Bird bad, but not many are. Pass.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jun 30, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I know but everybody seems to be thinking the same
I am surprised that it seems so unanimous that he would not be worth a 5-6 Dman.
by LavalPhantom on Jun 30, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Campoli than Barker
and that’s 6 Dmen locked in for us. I’d imagine someone would take a flyer on barker before he has to settle for a 7th Dman role.
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Im sure someone may take a shot on him
People find it hard to believe that a high draft pick is actually as bad as they seem.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Id take a shot at Winnipeg if I were Barker
He is from up there and they might lose a Dman or two….
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I got one that someone just suggested to me
Zenon Konopka on the Isles. 57.7% from the dot for the intellectuals, and 307 PIM for the meatballs. I think it sounds nearly perfect.
THN:
ASSETS: Comes to play every night and isn’t afraid of dishing out punishment. Possesses sound defensive acumen and plays with energy. Can drop the gloves and is also very good on face-offs.
FLAWS: Is limited in the offensive zone and only suited for a fourth-line role. Must avoid taking too many bad penalties that place his team in a tough spot.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Versatile, tough depth forward.
by GenPabloSecobar on Jun 30, 2011 1:46 PM CDT reply actions
Meh...
We really need PK, and his 57.7% means jack shit if he’s in the box making Tazer take all the F/Os.
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...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Took over 1000 draws last year with 305 PIMs.
Gotta think that his penalties would decrease under Q’s tutelage, meaning he’s out there to take even more. He can sort of kill penalties too, but he has no value in terms of short handed offense. Put him at the dot in his own zone and get him the fuck off the ice when it’s cleared (on the PK).
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 30, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Right,
I saw him play a lot for the Lightning. He’s a good 4th liner. Brings it every game, hits everyone near him, good skater, stands up for his teammates and is a good faceoff man…I think what he did last year in penalties just mirrored the attitude of the organization he was in.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
Don't need the PIM
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't and we do
I’m not trying to summon my inner meatball, but there is something to be said about having a physical deterrent, especially we have no grit at all right now. Q tried to put Scott in that role, but obviously he sucks. This guy is just as physical, but can skate better than Scott (anyone can, though), win a FO, and is by all accounts a good locker room guy. And he’s cheap as hell…or was…which frees us up for another forward for more depth.
And 76 of his PIM came last year against Pittsburgh in six games…and we know what happened with those two teams last year.
by GenPabloSecobar on Jun 30, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't buy the physical deterrent sales line for a second
That era of the NHL is dead, gone, and it ain’t ever comin’ back. The “douchy-er” teams in this league, like Anaheim or Vancouver, are still going to take their runs regardless, and then a coach like AV will simply protect his goons on the bench and ensure that they never have to pay for their indiscretions.
I am a firm believer that nothing deters after whistle extracurricular activity like a disciplined team with a powerplay that cashes in regularly. That philosophy is so self-evidently correct that I am amazed it can even be disputed.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Gooning it up is the more economical solution to the problem
but that’s why such a strategy is generally the province of perennial bottom-feeders like the New York Islanders.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not advocating his acquisition because of his 10 misconducts last year
That bothers the crap out of me. That part I agree with you.
I’m advocating his acquisition because he should come cheap, is willing to hit someone, can win a faceoff, provides energy on the ice, and won’t kill you on the PK…he played just over 90 seconds out there last year, and has more left the tank, or certainly his knees, than Drury does. If all he did was skate in a wide circle like Scott and try to throw down with anyone, then yes, I wouldn’t bother. But he does add more.
Like Herb said, I’m hoping Q can help control it a little.
And if we can get this guy and a Matt Bradley or Joel Ward, I’d rather have that then just a Drury or just a Fiddler.
He had 305 PIM last year. Yes, that’s too many. But 76 PIM came against PIT, with whom they had a vicious rivalry last year. I think the number is skewed because of that. Replace those PIM with his average against the remaining divisional opponents, and his number drops to 261 on the year. More palatable, even with that average still skewed because of 49 PIM against Philly.
by GenPabloSecobar on Jun 30, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Still he doesn't mesh with our team
One of, if not our primary, penalty killing philosophies is avoiding the penalty in the first place. I want size, yes, but I still think that a player’s most important attribute (especially for our team) is brains, and I don’t give Konopka the credit for having them. While Drury may not be the physical specimen that Konopka is, he is 4 or 5 times as intelligent.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Ironic, because by many accounts...
…Konopka is very intelligent and just happens to be a player who fights a lot. You’re assuming there’s a cause-effect relationship between physical play and intelligence – don’t.
http://www.rawcharge.com/2010/7/2/1550152/zenon-konopka-much-more-than-just
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/10/05/honoring-his-fathers-war-torn-life-zenon-konopka-fights-for-ev/
These don’t sound like unintelligent quotes and actions to me.
by GenPabloSecobar on Jun 30, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm talking Hockey IQ
I don’t care if the guy has mastered quantum physics if he can’t make the right decisions on the rink. He’s a hockey player, not a quantum physicist
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
In another thread
Someone posted that Kopecky had 30 minor penalties with the Hawks last year, Konopka had 31 minors on the Island.
The misconducts are a problem, but most of his PIMs came from those and his fights. He’s actually a fairly disciplined player when it comes to the minor penalties which is obviously what puts a team on the PK.
A guy with one MORE minor penalty than Kopy
Is not a disciplined player.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Jul 1, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
This.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 30, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't mind seeing Fiddler here
Drury is just too much of a risk to take. He is a big hit away from season ending injury
Agreed on Fiddler over Drury
Great character, leadership aside, what’s the point with Drury if his knees are shot and you know going in he’s not likely to be healthy enough to play a full season?
by FoamPuckHead on Jun 30, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't know that with any certainty
if we did New York wouldn’t have been able to buy him out
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't know what this means relative to the status of his knee -
From nhl.com:
Drury had told the New York Post in an e-mail earlier Thursday that he would not apply for a medical exemption to avoid being bought out and would waive the no-movement clause in his contract. Drury could have applied for an exemption based on an injured left knee.
by FoamPuckHead on Jun 30, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
to be fair
every player in the league is a big hit away from a season-ending injury
but I do agree that he is more of an injury-risk than other options
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by LanceFister3 on Jun 30, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Monty is a go
RealKyper Nick Kypreos
#NHL news. Steve Montador agreeing to terms with #Blackhawks. Word is 11M over 4 yrs.
2.75 per?
(a slight grimmace)
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
2.75cap hit?
That is ok… i guess….i was thinking it would be in the 2.50-3.00 range….sounds good….hope they go out and get Talbot, i think he would be good for the Hawks
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jun 30, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That works.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 30, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
not horrible
should give us 25 points, a bit of grit and 18 minutes per night.
Campoli is probably gone though imo
but montador had a cap hit of 1.55 last year…so a raise of 1.2…that is ok imo…especially with the market the way it is, he probably could have made more going to a team trying to make the cap floor, at least thats what i think
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jun 30, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Campoli isn't gone, but now will probably make the same or similar amount
sigh…
(thinks about the fact that the Canucks owe Ballard 4.2 mil next season and begins to feel better)
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
No no no no no
(to paraphrase) C’mon people. RFA contracts are significantly different than UFA. Campoli will likely get a one year deal, $2.35 million at the absolute most.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 30, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you believe that? 4.2 Mildo
To a guy that was a healthy scratch when Erhoff was basically playing with one hand in game 7 of the SCF. lol wow.
i hope Campoli is back
otherwise we’re dooooomed without defensive puck movers!
Is this official? I still haven't seen anything in regards to a signing
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I believe this now sets the parameters for negotiations with Campoli.
Gives Bowman the ability to point to this contract and Leddy’s as the range within which he can slot Campoli’s contract in the team salary structure. I’m guesiing that if they get it done Campoli signs for 3-4 yrs @ between 2 & 2.25 million per.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Per Sassone: Hawks interested in
Cole, Talbot, Bradley, Rupp, Ward, McCormick, Madden, & Bergenheim
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Yes, Yikes, Yes, Hmm, Yes!, Maybe, No, NO.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 30, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Not when you can get a much better piece with more finish and equivalent defensive ability
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Without an AARP card.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 30, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
only if he's our only option
otherwise no.
A bit off the subject, but...
Has anyone heard or read about any progress with signing our restricted guys (Camp,Fro or BigVic???
Last I heard it was slow going but SB expects a deal to get done
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Seems like with the new cap hike/cap floor
There might be more offer sheets thrown around than in previous years…
I voted for Fiddler, but everyone probably knows by now who my second choice would be.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 30, 2011 2:26 PM CDT reply actions
If Erhoff turned down 6yr / $33 mil
How much is the guy expecting?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Even if they have different styles
there is no fucking way he is worth more than Seabs
No worries, this was the plan all along!
For some reason
the line from Breakfast Club popped in my mind ’Show Dick some Respect"!
No worries, this was the plan all along!
$6mil would be my guess
Glad he’s out of Vancouver. I actually think this is a pretty significant loss for them.
I don't think it matters
as long as his checks aren’t signed by Charles Wang.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 30, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Bob McKenzie
just tweeted that it sounds like he’s real close to signing with the Sabres.
by transienthawk on Jun 30, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
he wants 10 yrs $40M apparently
since that’s what he signed for with the Sabres
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by justforkicks on Jun 30, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Ridiculous
How long until the NHL starts looking into that deal you think? I thought those “lifetime” deals were supposed to be a no-no now.
seems like a 3C if we plan on moving bolland to 2?
How much would we have to pay him for 4th line minutes?
although that would be a hell of a 4th line center, and the PK….
Reasoner
made 1.3 last year. Hawks can afford that right now as their 4th line. And it looks like the Hawks want a skating 4th line so it would be worth the money.
And at 34 without many more chances for a ring, I could see him wanting to come here…
Konopka for 4C and
send an offer sheet to Brett Sutter. He only made $500K last year and if we get him for under $1,034,249 annual cap hit or less then there is no compensation
THK sez:
ASSETS: Plays with a tremendous amount of energy and the work ethic that is synonymous with his family name. Is not afraid of mixing it up.
FLAWS: Lacks the talent level to be placed on a scoring line in the big league. Needs to get physically stronger in order to play regularly.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Industrious, defensive energy forward.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
I'll just re-post this
I don’t buy the physical deterrent sales line for a second. That era of the NHL is dead, gone, and it ain’t ever comin’ back. The "douchy-er" teams in this league, like Anaheim or Vancouver, are still going to take their runs regardless, and then a coach like AV will simply protect his goons on the bench and ensure that they never have to pay for their indiscretions.
I am a firm believer that nothing deters after whistle extracurricular activity like a disciplined team with a powerplay that cashes in regularly. That philosophy is so self-evidently correct that I am amazed it can even be disputed.
Gooning it up is the more economical solution to the problem, but that’s why such a strategy is generally the province of perennial bottom-feeders like the New York Islanders.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking that Q can get him
to be physical without taking an inordinate amount of penalties and he has won 57% and 61% of his faceoffs the last two years. Lots of energy.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
Q might also be able to teach Stalberg how to be a 60 point top line player
but that doesn’t mean we aren’t trying to sign a new top six forward.
Re-teaching a guy that uses his fists to be “effective” to use his skates and brains isn’t an easy task.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 30, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
"Nothing deters after whistle extracurricular activity like a disciplined team with a powerplay that cashes in regularly."
Can we put that on a banner and raise it to the UC rafters?
None of the above.
Fleischmann is our best option. He’s young and has time to get better. Been hampered by health problems…..Can play Top 6.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Doesn't exactly solve the Hawks lack of sandpaper
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
another winger who "can" center
Which means that Bowman is probably all over him
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I didn't realize he was a Winger first....NHL 11 is misinforming me.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Erik Cole
Don’t know if anyone mentioned him. He’s not flashy, but is a solid grinder who will get you 20 plus goals. I think he’d be a great fit for the Hawks.
Nope
Hasn’t been mentioned at all.
Heh, yeah, he’s one of the guys many people have been clamoring for.
by transienthawk on Jun 30, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Montador agrees to ..
four year deal but does anyone have the figures?
4 yr, $11MM
$2.75MM cap hit
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jun 30, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks..
I’m happy with that..Was hoping it would be under 3 million.
1st post
Madden is the sentimental choice, but that is not the only reason i’d take him.
In the playoffs, we all know Bolly is our shutdown man. But Madden can play that role to some extent too, even being older, and his presence would take a huge weight off Bolly, and that is worth it alone.
I like Drury, hell go American player!, but I like Madden’s game, attitude, and the confidence he carries that exudes throughout the locker room. To have Madden as 4C would be an incredible luxury I can only wish the Hawks can afford.
4th Line Need is Energy!
in 2009/10, we had a boost every time that line played their 8 minutes a night. Last year, not so much. Picking a late 30’s player hear at anywhere close to $2M/ year is a mistake in my book. We need the money to go to a real 2nd line center who can center Hossa and Sharp, score +25 goals, play 2 ways and log a good bit of PK minutes. This team wins the Cup again if Sharpie gets to GET set up, and not of position.
Andrew ..
Brunette signed for 1 season for 2 million.
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