2010-2011 Braintrust Evaluations: Stan Bowman
by SamFels on Jun 7, 2011 1:39 PM CDT
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PrintIt's not much of a secret that a lot of us remain unconvinced at Stan Bowman's abilities as a GM. There's the whole legacy thing that got him the job, along with the hatchet job done on Dale Tallon that still doesn't pass a smell test (though Tallon had his faults as well). Stan was then given a team that he didn't really need to do anything with, and his only move during the Cup year was a pretty good-looking trade that brought Nick Leddy and Kim Johnsson for Cam Barker. Sadly, that didn't bring instant results when Johnsson had his brains scrambled. Then, in his first summer where he could put his stamp on the team, Bowman first had to salvage what he could out of a cap clearout that would have any many GMs scrambling. It's not the best way to start. So let's take a step back, and try and evaluate Stan without getting to frothy at the mouth (that's more a direction to myself, as I get a little overheated at times with little Stan-Bo).
Positives: Considering that most of the league knew what Stan was up against, he didn't get the worst return, depending on how you feel about certain players. Obviously, Kris Versteeg is a better player than Viktor Stalberg, but I don't think Stals is without hope and neither do a lot of people. When you're over a barrel getting even a possibly-useful piece is a all right. The Byfuglien and rest for Jeremy Morin deal could look very good in time, as will the extra draft picks. And his midseason trade for Michael Frolik and Alex Salak for Jack Skille could eventually be considered a steal, unless Skille turns into something none of us envision him being. So there's that. Stan's only had one draft to work with, and none of those guys are anywhere close. But most reports on Kevin Hayes have been positive. And he did acquire his brother Jimmy, who potted 21 goals for BC and will be in Rockford next year with an outside shot of making some appearances for the big club as well.
Negatives: John Scott.
Other Negatives: Sorry, just felt like that one needed it's own thing. We've debated the Scott signing, though a debate would actually involve two sides to the discussion which this most certainly didn't have, so let's let that be. Bowman really dicked himself by having his allotment of 50 contracts filled up, which tied his hands in trying to acquire other players. Most agreed that Brandon Pirri didn't need to be in Rockford last year, though towards the end of the year he really picked it up. Nick Leddy was rushed to the NHL far too quickly, partly due to Bowman having no reserve when Campbell got hurt in training camp. There was the laughable and embarrassing hamstringing of Coach Q when Stan left him with only 10 forwards on far too many nights (far too many being defined as any) as he continually tried to prove his genius with the cap and the Rockford shuffle. His signings of Fernando Pisani and Nick Boynton clearly didn't work in any way, as well as the other bottom-feeding signings. But Stan really got himself in trouble last summer when he let both Hammer and Niemi twist in the wind far too long and thus had to lose the latter and Andrew Ladd. Both could have been re-signed during the season. He appears to have learned his lesson with Corey Crawford. What's a little more scary is Stan's apparent inability to scout his own system, which should be Job #1 for any GM. While the Hawks fourth line was a wasteland for most of the year, Ben Smith toiled in Rockford. While it was only his first year as a pro, the playoffs proved that Smith probably could have been helping the big club well before Game #80.
Outlook: Final judgement on Stan should be reserved until after this summer. This will be his first chance to work with unshackled hands, where he can genuinely add to this team, if he's smart. He can also prove that he can admit mistakes and move on, i.e. Scott and arguably Nick Leddy (though I won't sit on a hot stove waiting for that one). Stan has shown an ability to pull a trade to help the team, but now we need to know he can bring in the right free agents and pick the right kids to contribute to this team. Will he rush Morin to make us feel better about Byfuglien and Ladd? Will he trust Smith with too much? Is he seriously bringing back Kopecky? Does he have the balls to move Hammer? Which RFA is he going to bring back and which will he risk making him look silly elsewhere? What we do know is that Rocky and McD will not be confused with patient. If Stan has this team going balls-up again, his last name isn't going to save him from some serious scrutiny. It's going to be fun watching.
Final Grade: C-. There were obstacles Stan couldn't overcome, but he didn't help himself at times either. We'll find out more starting this month.
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Would you believe..
..there are actually Wild fans that miss John Scott. My first impression when he started with the Wild was “man this guy is huge…” followed shortly by “…and is terrible at hockey.” I was glad to see him go… until I saw that the Hawks signed him. *Head slap. Why Chicago, why? It makes me happy that everyone here seems to be on the same page as I am.
I had the "pleasure" of observing him play in college.
I knew he sucked even then and was shocked when he made the NHL.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
A lot of people like to make the "physical presence"..
..argument to justify having him in the line-up. I mean obviously the guy can throw down, but he always seems to pick fights at the dumbest times and what good is that?
I don't really mean to defend Scott
but I don’t blame him entirely for the fact that his fights tend to come at really dumb times. Yes those fights are his fault, but it’s not his fault when at more appropriate times he tries to fight but the opposing so-called enforcer is too chicken to drop ’em against him.
by FrankStallone on Jun 7, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
fair analysis..
I personally think the biggest blunder aside from Murdersaurus [© CNS] was the Nemo/Ladd/Hammer debacle: we could have kept Ladd and he was the only one who I really missed (Big Buff’s net presence/Luongo hoodoo only really showed in the playoffs)
But this post-season should be interesting alright….
Ladd
He was the only guy that I was angry to have lost. I resigned myself to losing Versteeg, Buff, Sopel and the others but that one hurt. Ladd added so much presence in all the key situations to this team and his loss still stings. If we didn’t have the Nemo/Hammer cluster we’d have kept him for sure.
I agree.
I also agree with the C. Not stellar, but not horrible. This summer will tell us of what he’s really capable.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
$ wise,
how could they have kept Ladd?
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Sign Niemi quickly to a lower deal....
Sign Hjalmarsson quickly to a lower deal…
Niemi left after the arbitration deal.
Had Hjalmarsson been re-signed before the offer sheet was extended to him, he would have been resigned at a lower price (conceivably) free-ing up some more cap money to re-sign Ladd before the trades began.
That is the speculation as to how Ladd could have been kept.
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What, with a gun to their heads?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I would not be in any hurry to move Hammer
THe rest … yes, pretty much just that.
I also don’t think Leddy is necessaryily a mistake per se, just a kid with potential rushed too quickly. His presence did also imbalance the D strengths/weaknesses mix
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I think that Bowman's "mistake" with respect to Leddy
was his insistence on rushing him up to the NHL along with the fact that he seems resigned to keep him there. All though we’re just armchair GM’s, I think that many of us are of the opinion that the best move for both the ‘Hawks and for Leddy would be to sign another defenseman and let Leddy play top pairing minutes in Rockford while also quarterbacking the PP. Acquiring Leddy was absolutely NOT a mistake – hell it was one of his best moves – but I think it’s at least an arguable point to say that he erred in rushing Leddy to the big leagues
by FrankStallone on Jun 7, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you there
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Was it an error.....or an unfortunate necessity.
Maybe the Hawks miss the playoffs if its Cullimore or Scott back there? I’ll give Stan a pass on brining Leddy up considering the circumstances.
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Maybe a pass on bringing him up
but I’m not ready to give him a pass on insisting on keeping him in the NHL. Ideally the ‘Hawks sign another defenseman and Leddy starts the year in Rockford, but Stan has made it pretty clear that that’s not gonna happen. Hopefully I’m proven wrong, but right now I feel like his refusal to let Leddy develop in the top pairing and quarterbacking the PP in Rockford for the 2011-’12 season is a mistake.
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I find it very hard to believe Nick Leddy wont be on the roster for 82 games next season
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I 100% agree
and I hope I’m wrong, but I feel like it would be better both in immediately and in the future for him to spend the season in Rockford unless he’s needed as an injury replacement. Ain’t gonna happen though
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Especially if Campbell or Hjammer is moved.
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Wasn't there a contract issue that forced him to stay up with the club after a certain point this year?
I think it was Leddy that got kept primarily because an injury to someone else meant that we were clearly going to need him for more than 10 games, and in going over 10, he burned a full year of NHL time on his contract?
If I’m not mistaken (and it was Leddy that I’m thinking of) then I see where the “rushing him to the NHL” situation happened. If you’re going to use up a full year of the guy’s contract and pay him for a full year (at NHL price) of his contract… Maybe you want that play to occur in the NHL.
In no way, shape or form does this mean that I disagree with the notion that he could use some seasoning in the Rock. I think it would be best for him, but I think he got “stuck” in the bigs as a result of a contract situation. If I’m correct, does anyone know if that means he cannot go back down without some crazy penalty of sorts?
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The only "contact issue"
was the fact that he played enough games in the NHL to burn a year on his EL deal and start the clock ticking. There were no ramifications attached to moving him back down to Rockford – it’s not as if he would have had to clear waivers or anything, and his deal is a 2-way contract so he wouldn’t have gotten his full NHL salary playing in the AHL
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Johnsson
Can anyone elaborate on the thinly veiled rumour about Johnsson?
People claim that he porked Brouwer or someone's wife, there was a fight, and he was shipped away.
But it’s utterly bogus because he didn’t play at all this year. The fact of the matter was he was hurt, and the team didn’t appreciate his lack of effort in recovery, to he was told to piss off.
All of this was debunked nearly a year ago, this type of shit happens in every clubhouse (Jeff Carter and Scott Hartnell’s wife immediately comes to mind), so I’d appreciate it if there was minimal space dedicated in the comments to this topic as it’s pretty pointless.
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This type of shit being the unfounded rumor, not the wife-swapping.
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right, the wife-swapping is basketball, isn't it?
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
No, that's LeBron's mom.
Wife-Swap was a TV show, I think.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Easy
I think we’re done with this whole line of conversation now.
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Unfounded rumor
I’m thinking of something, but I’m not bringing it up.
I give Stan a D. He has not flunked out yet, and may make the deans list next season. I hope so.
If The Hawks could just find a guy who is not afraid to pull hair or bite, they are sure to win next season.
Which is why I wish Sam hadn't mentioned it in the first place.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Rumor reference removed.
good job, Sam.
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I must have missed a meeting
I had no idea there was a rumor floating around that he had porked Brouwer.
Wow, the stuff you guys hear as blog editors!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 7, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't want to say anything
but I’m glad I’m not the only one who went there (in my head)
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
Johnsson disappeared in the middle of a game too. Highly doubt any clubhouse drama would be going on during the 2nd period and lead to a player to just pack up and go home.
Ya know, in case the whole “his agent has publicly stated that he has a head injury and his career might be over and he sat out an entire season” thing didn’t do it for you. That’d be an awful lot of dedication to the lie.
was there any formal statement made on his concussion?
Thought he was leveled in the Flyers game, the day before Soupy being hacked at home against Wsh.
Just win the next game...!
I just wish he would own up to the fluffy mistake
and realize that its hurting the team more than it would his ego.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 7, 2011 3:26 PM CDT reply actions
I can only hope he was joking when he said he watned to give Scott more ice time
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I won't mind him not owning up
if he ends up somehow unloading John Scott in the offseason.Then I’ll attribute it to the fact that no one wants to say “hey this guy is useless!” then try to trade him.
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thats really what I meant by 'owning up'
get rid of the man.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 7, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
He’s never going to hold a press conference to say “John Scott was a huge mistake. My bad. D’you think St. Louis will take him?” even though I would love to see such a thing occur.
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
It'd be so mean to
Scott, it’s not really Murdersaurus’s fault he’s no good at hockey.
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I'm hoping that he's attempting to fluff up his trade value
Which would net us a bag of pucks in return – but if anyone would take on that salary, so much the better.
THE fluffy mistake???
He went out to get a enforcer to protect the ‘jewels’ of this team. Turns he got a guy so dam good at his role that nobody wanted to face him. What? was Stan supposed to get so-so sissy boy who gets his ass kicked every so often??
It wasn’t Stan’s faults that the 99% of"jewels" on this team didn’t show up. Scott showed up every time.
Dammm Scott’s name has showed up in 99% if the reviews on this team.
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by ccm on Jun 7, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
wut?
Yeah, Scott knows how to punch people. Nobody’s denying that. But what’s the point if he’s going to either be a scratch or play for 3 minutes in the 1st period? He’s a terrible hockey player and a waste of cap/roster space.
I didn’t fall into a sarcasm trap, did I?
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So we are stunned Scott didn't score 50 goals?
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by ccm on Jun 7, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends.
If his goal is to punch people, I don’t think he even reached that.
Oh, actual goals. Never mind then.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Stan brought in a enforcer......
not a fancy dancy scoring machine.
How can Stan be punished for bringing in a guy that was too good at his job? If the rest of the team at least tried to be “good at their jobs” then Fluffy wouldn’t have been forced to play big minutes.
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by ccm on Jun 7, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Scott’s first job is being an NHL-caliber hockey player. That doesn’t mean scoring goals, but it means being good enough that your coach doesn’t feel the need to bench you for 56 minutes a night.
His second job was to protect his teammates. Do you think he really deterred anything? I don’t see how he did. Hard to do that when you are glued to the ice.
If Bowman knew he was going to pay $500K for a player to play 3 minutes a night, then it is unquestionably a bad signing from the start.
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Okay, that's the only aspect of his job he's good at - punching people.
He can’t skate, can’t handle a puck… or any other hockey-related activities. His presence is good for five minutes a game, tops. He can only prevent assaults on the “jewels” when he’s out there, and he’s never out there. When he is, he’s the least effective hockey player unless I put skates on.
And the defense of his play is “He’s so good at what he does no one will fight him?” I only remember a couple fights – one where he bludgeoned Westgarth (I think? I remember him bashing a guy’s face off) and one other.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
So Stan was supposed to get a "lesser" enforcer?
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by ccm on Jun 7, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't really consider Scott an enforcer, in the classical sense.
He is a fighter. Period.
An enforcer is a guy that makes people think twice about running the star players, for fear of what will come their way. Thankfully, none of our stars missed time this year, so perhaps we’re being a bit harsh about this. Perhaps he is a good enforcer.
Oh… wait. That’s not right, is it?
Well at least Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Bolland, Brouwer, Johnson, Kopecky, Keith, and Seabrook didn’t miss any games as a result of injury this year.
The thing with Scott as an “Enforcer” is that he isn’t – like I said, he’s a fighter. Look at what happened so many times: He played three to five minutes in a game. He grabbed a guy and gave him the “you wanna go?” look/act. Guy he grabbed was like… “Awwww Hell no!” and nothing happened. Scott then sat down for the remainder of the night, douchebaggery/whatever continued, and our remaining guys had to eat the minutes.
He is not effective in the role he was brought here to fulfill.
I like the GUY, I see no need to keep the “hockey player” on this team.
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I think the majority of us felt it was a bad signing as soon as it was announced
And despite low (or no) expectations, he did nothing to make us change the way we felt. Why? Because he is a terrible hockey player.
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Right we knew he was a terrible hockey play who had a specific role on this team.
We spent a heck of alot more on players who produced jack-squat.
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by ccm on Jun 7, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
his specific role?
what scripted fights between cam janssen and kevin westgarth? I can count on one hand anytime he actually protected to came to the aid of anyone, once against minnesota when campbell got hit on the icing and uh not sure nothing else comes to mind.
I’d rather have an ‘enforcer’ who can skate and lay hits and wont be a TOTAL liability on the ice.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 7, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
at a half a mil???
who?
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by ccm on Jun 7, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
rather pay a bit more to get a bit more
rather than pay a half mil for absolutely nothing.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 7, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
thought take was Washington
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by ccm on Jun 7, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
No one contributed less to this team on the ice than John Scott
even less than Boynton
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that is ridiculous
Fluffy never hurt anyone on his team.
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by ccm on Jun 7, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
can't argue that
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by ccm on Jun 7, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Boynton never had a breakaway though.
Granted Scott’s didn’t result in anything, but the amusement value was unparalleled.
by transienthawk on Jun 7, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right, Scott never hurt any ONE on the team,
He hurt the ENTIRE team.
And tell that to Troy Brouwer
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 8, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
didn't he punch frolik in the face?
after a stupid goal celebration? (goal celebration meaning he scored in the warmups)…
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 8, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Stan could've saved over $499K and protected the team's "jewels"
by buying heavy-duty athletic supporters.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 8, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Stanbow {yawn}
is a conversation killer. 23 comments and half of them are OT.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Yeah, he does kind of leave you speechless.
I really don’t know what to think of the guy. The loss of Ladd last summer because of Stan’s inability to sign Hammer/Niemi early ticked me off, as did the signing of Scott (which I never understood because he doesn’t fit the Hawks’ style of play at all). But the trades that brought in Leddy, Frolik, and Salak were terrific, and he didn’t do a terrible job last offseason under horrendous circumstances.
Still, I just don’t know which decisions are his, how much advice he receives from his dad, etc., so I don’t know how the heck to judge the guy.
I think the grade is right, though I might have given him an incomplete pending what happens from now to July 15th or so; or maybe I’d have flunked him for cheaing if I knew for sure the Frolik, Leddy, etc., pick-ups were his pop’s ideas.
I think Stan's move have been litigated and re-litigated all season long.
Its exhausting.
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Just doesn't seem to have a complete grasp of free agency as of yet.
Or that Scott is not much of a hockey player.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 4:02 PM CDT reply actions
He hasn't had a real crack at Free Agency yet.....
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Yet.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
See, there are some times when I wish one could flag one's own comments
as sheer stupidity or unfactual errors.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I can always hope I'm wrong.
I usually am, about lots of things.
Like hockey. (Hmm, explains my lack of posting here, I suppose.)
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, part of me missed the whole thing where Bowman was given control mid-season.
Gotta turn the hockey part of the brain back on. It’s been in shutdown recently.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You could say the same regaring most other GM's
Quite a lot of major fuck – ups among other FA signings over the past few seasons – we don’t have any of those, thankfully (yet).
At least he resigned Crow
Which was of major concern until that deal was done – shades of the Jammer debacle happening again. But the did the right thing, did it expeditiously, and it was a fair value. So far, so good.
Speaking of GMs
it appears Kevin Cheveldayoff has taken the job as GM of the Winnipeg What-are-we-called
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what does that mean for the hawks i wonder
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 7, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It means Stan is a bit less expendable than he was before.
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Hun
What about brining back Dudley? Probably not realistic.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
I dont let many people call me "hun"
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"Were goin murder those lousy Hun bastards"
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Hey, hey, now - we huns don't cotton to such talk
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Take it up with General Patton!
/kidding
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Or he's really operating without a net now.
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Funny, I kinda viewed Chevy
as “our” safety net, rather than Stan’s. He would have been a great replacement if necessary.
Also, a new GM is going to want his own coach
Paging Mike Haviland.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 7, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's right, hun
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
by Badgerdano on Jun 7, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
2 years
That right there is a big inditment of Stan. 2 years for Scott!?! It’s unfathomable to me if his agent said “we’re not taking a 1 year deal” and Stan said “you’re not”
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by Johnny Lava on Jun 7, 2011 4:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Sam mentioned Job #1 as scouting your own system. So tell me this:
When McD came in, there was much made of the remaking of the whole organization from top to bottom and in every department. Were all the scouts changed too? How many of Tallon’s “guys” were purged?
As has been documented before, a GM has about a 50% success rate with draft picks making it to the NHL and having an impact. The rate for free agents is a bit better, though it varies wildly with each team’s system and coaching philosophy. As Sam said, we need to give Stan a bit more time to see how he’s done with draft picks. But many of us on here have questioned his ability to judge talent or to bring in free agents who work well with our team. I have to believe that a GM relies on his scouting department heavily for these decisions. So, who’s doing the scouting? And who makes the decisions about which players come up to the big club? Stan can’t obviously do all these things, so are the people that he has in place up to the task? And are they different than the ones who were in place when Tallon held the GM job?
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Please, anyone but Vancouver. Please....
I remember discussing this once with VerStig
and asking the same thing. StanBow was a scout for Tallon, wasn’t he? I get the idea that Stan is good at trading- being able to evaluate a player in a different system & analyze how he’d do in our system, but not so good at drafting, which is seeing potential in a player.
Does what I say make sense? I’m not sure I explained it well…
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I don't think scouting was his main function as an assistant
Although he did coordinate with the minor league scouts and “track player progress”, which I am sure he still does now, many of his functions were more related to the finance and business side of the hockey operations department. Later on this included the CBA issues relating to player personnel. This is one thing that is especially interesting with his performance last year regarding the 50 player limit, because he is the expert on these matters in the organization. I think his background is much more rooted in the financial aspects of his job, rather than the talent evaluation portion. That being said, maybe he needs a little time to figure that side out, or maybe he never will.
"Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... "
by CementHeadStu on Jun 8, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
In other news, the Flyers got a goalie
Coyotes trade Bryzgalov (free agent on July 1) to Flyers
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Well, there goes a fair chunk of the Philadelphia economy.
That just slashed like four or five jobs there.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Zherdev and then they got some decisions
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Yep.
But now they dont have to have four guys to start for them.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 7:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The goaltending over there has been mediocre for years and years. Im sure fans are okay with this.
He have a few good young Wingers like Versteeg and Nodl so it could mean a guy like Carter is one the move. They always talk about trading that guy. Im looking forward to seeing what they do. Their Championship window is still open.
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That's... what I'm saying...
Ergh… Humor-attempt fail, apparently.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps - but closing rapidly
The management of that team is really criminal, considering that they knew what their huge hole was, did absolutely nothing about it and then continued to stand pat. What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a differentl result.
They'll turn around and trade the rights to Bryzgalov and Versteeg
to SCUM for Osgood and Bertuzzi.
They’ll bring in Osgood to mentor and tutor their young goaltending corps, and Bertuzzi to mentor the F, allowing Pronger to focus on only the D.
SCUM will then trade Bryzgalov’s rights to Columbus for alleged wiener tucker RIck Nash, filling the void left by Bertuzzi in their F corps.
Won’t that be great???
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flyers got negotiating rights for a goalie
that team still has some tough financial decisions to make, it’ll be interesting to see how they plan on fitting a 3-5 mil/year goalie on their roster
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Bryzgalov will want $5m +. Versteeg and Carter will be shipped out (just my guess).
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Maybe they'll want Scott for oh... I don't know? Carter?
That’ll clear up some salary for them!
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That would certainly help solve their salary cap problems
as the trade off would up $3.7 million in space for them…
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Bryz is said to be wanting monster money - like near top of the salaries of any player (not just any goalie)
this could get very interesting – and Philly may not be the place he ends up
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They had the rights to Hamhuis last season as well....
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i hope he and/or his agent saw Raising Arizona
Price. A fair price. That’s not what you say it is, and it’s not what I say it is… It’s what the market will bear.
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Great, Breezy
was one of the popular guys out here, that’s not lookin too promising for the Yotes.
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Someone's going to have to be unloaded
They’ve already got $58 million committed to 18 guys, and they may still try to get Leino into the mix.
I’d be quite alright with a Scott Hartnell, Jeff Carter, or besieged captain Mike Richards, wouldn’t you?
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Does Hartnell still take weeks off during the season?
Or was that just a more recent complaint regarding his play, due to personal issues last year?
considering the Hawks' needs
Hartnell would be perfect. I’d even be OK with leaving Sharp at center in this case.
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Hartnell with Toews and Kane would skullfuck the western confrerence.
Paul Holmgren loves draft day deals. The Hawks have a ton of mid-round picks, and the Flyers can’t take any salary back. Kyle Beach seems like he’d make a perfect Flyer, no?
This isn’t out of reach by any stretch.
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And if the Hawks pulled this off, I'd time travel back to today and buy a Hartnell sweater.
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where can you get a Blackhawks' Hartnell sweater today?
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by LanceFister3 on Jun 8, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
MY GUY!
Chris Hubble at Triple Threat Sports will custom make just about anything.
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TTS is absolutely the best.
Great service, especially for those of us (way) outside the Chicago area.
How'd the 'Hawks make that money work
if the Flyers can’t take back any money? It’d have to be a 3-way deal somehow. Hartnell is a $4.2M cap hit.
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when is the cap announced?
i’d be prepared for another season of dry humping here.
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we'll be dry humping the Cap for the next decade
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It needs more cowbell.
Which the 'Hawks have room for
because acquiring a player like him via trade negates the need to spend the same type of money for a similar player on the UFA market.
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Mike Knuble 2.8 mil?
Yes, he’s 37, but he can get shit done in front , PP, and PK.
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I'd rather pay more for Hartnell at 29 and to have him under contract.
Hartnell obviates Tomas Kopecky and Troy Brouwer (Sorry Hack), so there’s money that doesn’t need to be spent there.
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i'm curious to see what Hack thinks
is he in love with TBrouw, or just the idea of a grown-ass power forward?
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Depends on what Hartnell could do with DDN
If you’re telling me he could pot 40, then I’d be ok with no TBrouw.
I still think that Brouwer could score 25-30 goals as top six left winger, and I think he can do it at maybe 1.5/yr. I’d rather have Hartnell’s 4.2 mil devoted to a 2nd line center, but that’s just me.
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to put it simply
I like McClure’s Patrik Berglund idea better than the Scott Hartnell idea, not that both ideas have an equal chance of happening.
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Here ya go
http://crashthecrease.com/2011/05/31/st-louis-blues-re-sign-patrick-berglund/
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Im glad this has turned into a meme
If Hjammer gets traded, I will change my name to Hun
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Its a strong possibility
I just hope it doesn’t come to that.
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Can we change names here - or do we need to start fresh?
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It needs more cowbell.
easiest to start fresh
although I believe you can email to Travis Hughes/SBN asking to change your username.
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agreed
i just don’t see a big quality center out there.
i am nervous that “random LW”-Sharp-Hossa fails to click again, but adding a big quality forward with net presence is tempting.
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I don't think I'm imagining this
isn’t Hartnell an awful skater? I mean, sure, he’s scored a few on his ass but the guy seems to fall down a lot. Would it be a good idea to put him with DDN?
i call everyone 'bro' regardless of gender or age... which makes running into old ladies at the grocery store kind of awkward.
He’s passable. It’s certainly not a Niedermayer-esque stride, but they’ve skated with Byfuglien, who isn’t exactly Mike Gartner himself.
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who's your 2nd line left winger
You mentioned a top line of Hartnell with DDN, and I’m assuming you’re leaving sharp as the 2nd line center.
Stalberg? Morin? (I know you’re not to keen on Ben Smith in the top 6, yet.)
Also, what would you say Hartnell’s ceiling (with DDN) is, in terms of Goals and Points? Would he be worth the 4.2?
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A) Morin, but if you can get Brouwer back for his current salary (not a stretch) he’s certainly welcome on my team
B) 25G 35A
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in 2008-09
he was 30-30-60.
over past 6 years, he’s averaged 23-24-47.
he had a “Buff” rap a year ago, with just 14-30, but 8-9 in 23 playoff games.
with DDN, i’d expect career numbers.
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agreed
which is why I asked if he could potentially score 40.
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Wow is Hartnell is so good he can not only play his position but 2 others?
Or does he obviate Kop OR Brouwer?
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He's not playing two positions
Realistically, one of Brouwer or Kopecky could very well be playing 4th line minutes. While having that level of skill on the 4th line is nice, and does lead to cups, you can find cheaper, adequate bum slayers.
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Kop is a 4th liner
Brouwer is under utilized in that role. He is a tweener though. Flashes of top 3-6 and then nothing. Maybe he could use a change of scenery, like Tuomo needed.
He should maybe be qualified and then shopped?
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me too
then i remember that’s what brought Ladd to town.
God bless you, Dale Tallon.
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Like Lurch?
Wait, you said adequate, NM
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 8, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Not only will the 'Hawks not be
able to pay for a guy like Hartnell, they’d probably have to move either Hammer or Sharp, plus likely not sign Brouwer or Frolik.
$4.2M is a huge adder to this team without concessions elsewhere.
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I think were all probably getting a bit ahead of ourselves with this Hartnell stuff...but its fun to dream.
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We're ahead of it allright
and there would be some other changes, but can’t rule it out, right?
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He would fit if Campbell was moved
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Hey, while we're at it, eh?
Depends on the style the ’Hawks want to play, right?
$7.14M is a LOT of cap space. A team can get TWO good players for that money. What [type of] players is the question.
Just win the next game...!
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Jeremy Morin ($0.886m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Michael Frolik ($1.275m)
Ben Smith ($0.812m) / Marcel Goc ($0.950m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Brent Seabrook ($5.800m)
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Nick Leddy ($1.116m) / Jeff Woywitka ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.666m) / Alexander Salak ($0.612m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,018,004; BONUSES: $780,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $981,996
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That lineup would rival the awesomeness of the 2010 Hawks
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This is why I love the offseason
So much rosterbation
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
No way that works
Only a 20-man roster, Brouwer is gonna get nearly double the number shown and $63M cap could be as much as a Mil too high.
Now, Goc and Woywitka are very do-able. Lastly, can they get Frolik back in the fold for only $1.25M?
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I think its hilarious that Ben Smith and Jeremy Morin are going to make more than Bryan Bickell next year
I want to kiss his agent. He may be maddening, but that low cap hit is saving the Hawks
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Those are the full salaries
Since these are EL deals, I bet a good portion of that $780k bonus money is to them and that number comes off the cap actually.
Just win the next game...!
No bonus cushion this year because it's the last year of the CBA
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Notice the available space
Also notice that Niklas Hjalmarsson is still on this roster, even though there are actual newspapers reporting him as being shopped.
It could work.
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I also was able to work out a scenario to get Brad Richards for a $4.8 cap hit with a very fair deal
I should send them together.
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they have issues with their fax machine
I would hand deliver
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by Hack on Jun 8, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
man, oh man
A top six of Kane-Toews-Sharp/Brouwer, Hossa-B. Richards-Sharp/Brouwer. That’d be somethin else.
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the word "juggernaut"
comes to mind
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 8, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
remember
Bolland also crouched behind a shrubbery.
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by cliffkoroll on Jun 8, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good call, hun!
Adding Bolland’s shutdown line and a non-Scott 4th line obviates our ledge-jumping ways. It would be salad days around here, I tell ya.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
Hammer being shopped? Meh
I’ve been shopping ofr a Porsche since 1979…still not one in the garage
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Damn mini-vans...
you can just fit so much more crap into them than a 911 Turbo Carrera, not to mention the lack of a decent cup holder on the 911.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I did travel hockey with the kid for 8 years in a Honda Del Sol
The bags fit in the trunk, but the sticks had to ride in the passenger space with us.
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It needs more cowbell.
the guy at the dealership laughed when I brought a full hockey bag for the test drive
I looked seriously at a Capri too – but it flunked the bag test
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$980,000
Still allows for callups (low salary types) to field 21-22/game.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 8, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That top line
Is pretty scary
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Yes. Hockey has no place for hippies.
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But why stop at Hartnell?
PHI is obviously sellers (we know how that is) and the Hawks room to work with, why not abuse them two summers in a row?
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 8, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I put Hartnell in the category with Dennis Rodman in his heyday...
HATE him.
In any jersey that isn’t worn by MY team.
I’d take him in a heartbeat, and wouldn’t complain so much when people complained about stuff being committed by Blackhawks’ players.
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I didn't like Rodman on the Bulls either
but you’re right, I put up with him as long as they were winning…
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I alays thought he was a goofy dick, but tolerated him on the Bulls
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Kesler is the only one
that I could see myself NOT continuing to hate in a Blackhawk’s sweater. As for the Sedins and Burrows, if they ever end up on the ’Hawks somehow I might actually stop watching the NHL until they were gone
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
We might not like it at first but
somehow it wouldn’t be the end of the world if the Sedins were on my team. Burrows, well I just cant answer that one
No, can't stand the Sedins
I will never root for such blatant divers regardless of what sweater they wear. I don’t care how good they are, they’re complete and utter lack of class is an embarrassment. The same goes for Burrows. And as far as Kesler goes, I mean I don’t love the guy but I guess I’ve got a bit of a soft spot for him. What can I say, I’m a fan of his work on The Office.
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting how easily they could have been Hawks
Were it not for the immortal Mike Smith.
The thing that bothers me about them is that they are so good, they don't need to do that shit
but they do it anyway. It drives me crazy – and has been what’s driven me crazy about the Canucks these playoffs in general. Also, how obvious the dives were. I mean Kaner’s dive was horrendous, but I can only think of the one that he’s pulled. I can name a number of Sedin dives.
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You could say the same for the entire team
They have no need for this crap, but for some reason they just cannot help themselves. And for that, I blame their coach and management, specifically their GM.
Yeah that's why I've had a hard time rooting for them
They are a good, skilled team. Why can’t they keep their shit together.
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they may be divers
but imagine them on a team where the leadership wouldn’t condone such behavior. I don’t see Tazer being okay with people on his team continually diving.
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Isn't Hartnell almost absurdly expensive, though?
by transienthawk on Jun 7, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Almost...
Other changes needed but who knows. This is a new monkey wrench to throw into capgeek.
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Can you imagine Toews, Richards, and Bolland.
jizz
If The Hawks could just find a guy who is not afraid to pull hair or bite, they are sure to win next season.
Still think they could get Richards
The Kool – Aid is strong with this one. Hartnell would be aweseome but it’ll never happen – but he’s chippy and good, something this team definitely needs more of next season.
Everyone was thinking mike, not brad
due to the Philly cap crunch
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You know what's not funny?
Because of all the Hartnell talk, I was thinking I might vomit a little. Yes, he’s talented, but man, I hated that guy last year and I’d have a hard time accepting him wearing the four feathers…
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
thats usually a sign of a player I'd like to have on the team
as long as they don’t come from vancouver.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 8, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, and don't forget they haven't actually KILLED anyone yet.
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Someone mentioned Rodman
I don’t think I hated any Piston more than I did him (with the possible exception of Lambeer, and Thomas, and Dumars, and Salley… Christ, I really hated that team), but once he put on a Bulls uniform and began playing with Michael and Scottie – all was forgiven and more. I would expect no less for Hartnell, and it would be even easier since we don’t have nearly the rivalry with Philly as the Bulls did with the Pistons.
Thumbs up — if it can happen. Plus, Tazer would have him tone down his douchebaggery. Except when playing VAN.
Honestly
I would probably accept Hartnell more readily than I did Rodman… Lambeer, wow, yeah, hated that jerk. But we digress.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
you'd think they go with a goalie
that doesn’t have the all too familiar problems of laying eggs in the playoffs.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 7, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Bryzgalov was money with the Ducks back in 2006 Playoffs and at the start of the 2007 Playoffs. It was just last year when it looked like his team was about to (on and off the ice) fold completely.
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Handcuffed.
And dazed.
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THE SENATORS WIN THE CUP!!!
Well, ummm, the Binghamton Senators won the Calder Cup.
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that kid is winning at life
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by LanceFister3 on Jun 7, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Aw that is cute
thanks for posting it!
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by justforkicks on Jun 7, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
nice
if i understand the math here, this move entitles Kaner to dive three times next season, right?
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and one of his teammates is allowed one bite
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by LanceFister3 on Jun 8, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I figured out what happened with this team
Stan saved some money by switching hockey tape manufacturers. This is why Hossa’s shot never leaves the ice. No sticky in this tape. Also, Kaner can’t “elevate” his forehand backhand move. If we stayed with the regular tape, Sharp scores against VAN. He also switched all the guys to “T” blades so he didn’t have to pay benefits to the skate sharpener person. Just change the blades when they are dull.
D
If The Hawks could just find a guy who is not afraid to pull hair or bite, they are sure to win next season.
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Cheap adhesive kills!
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Scott
So I have a question.
This John Scott guy… am I the only one who actually saw him progress over the season? I seem to remember him… and I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I do seem to remember him looking… decent on defense. Another year with an actual skating coach and a commitment from Q to keep him on defense and a little coaching, and I think he might be a guy worth keeping around.
I’m no John Scott apologist and he hurt the team more than helped it, mainly because when he was called upon he seemed to enjoy staged fights more than playing hockey and being the type of enforcer that beats the shit out of someone for taking liberties with his teammates, which is what we needed him to be. But if he can develop into a 3rd pair defenseman… why not?
Go ahead. Tell me that the team won a cup without having an enforcer. Tell me how Campoli and him on the back end as a 3rd pair is vomit/ ulcer inducing. You can tell me a lot of things and you’d be right. But I’m left with the feeling that this guy is a fucking mutant beast of a human being and could be the protection that we need when we play big physical teams like Vancouver, Anehiem, St Louis…
We develop him and coach him… and for $500K? Why not?
/ducks
It sounds good
He didn’t protect his teammates because he was never on the ice to do so. He is not a very good D man. Think about it. He was so bad they brought up a teenager to play. Why anybody thinks he can play forward is insane.
I think Campoli is good for this team, and will score the game winner against VAN next season to make up for his failed clearing attempt. Bring up another young guy to pair with him.
In the series against VAN, an enforcer was not what was needed. Did Scott take care of Torres? No. It was Bickell right? What they needed was another 2 goals. just 2 goals and VAN is out.
Waive Scott or trade him to NYI for a skate sharpener.
If The Hawks could just find a guy who is not afraid to pull hair or bite, they are sure to win next season.
bickell took out bieksa
in similar fashion to the torres hit on seabrook,
though this time, it wasn’t interference.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 8, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
i was tring to avoid the fray here
but the Hawks won three games against Vanocuver dressing Scott as a defenseman, and, during those games, the Canuck asshats’ behavior was muted.
maybe a coincidence, but…
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I'm not admitting that Scott had anything to do with it.
Bolland came back and Luongo was a sieve for two of those games.
As Skags says, the team won the cup with Ben Eager and the likes as the “enforcer”. The thing about that is, Ben can play hockey sometimes. He’s available too, not that I think he should come back. He may lose or draw in fights, but he’s better than Scott.
John Scott needs to be hidden in your lineup and I’ll bet it makes coaching harder when Keith, Seabs, or Campbell is in the box and fluffy is what you see.
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i'm familiar with the anti-Scott arguments
the decision to play him at forward, all by itself, was arguably the difference between a #8 and #4 seed this year.
i’d love if the Hawks found some size this summer- otherwise, I hope Scott can improve to the point of being able to play 8 minutes a night as a #6 d-man, because he will be on the roster, and Q will give him multiple chances.
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Jonathon Ericsson of The Red WIngs is UFA (900,000)
Big guy. He can play 3rd pairing D all season, no problem. If you send Scott to Europe……..
I know he will be here and that sucks.
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Salei would be gone if I were in charge over there.
I sort of liked what I saw from Kindle. They talk up that Smith kid too. I think were going to see them make a run at Wiz or Salo. Maybe even Bieksa if the Nucks decide not too keep him.
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Markov and Ehroff?
They have Lidstrom’s 6.2 and Rafalskis $ too
Biejsa
White
Brewer
Going to be some new faces in DET.
I meant Ehroff when I typed Salo. I always mix them up.
Salo is the guy with the busted nut, right?
Markov would be scary in a Wings uni. Not sure why MTL would let him get away though.
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Hes got attitude problems, but that guy is fun to watch
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If Beach would just become the player we all hope he can be
This conundrum would be solved – the vagaries of draft picks failing to make their expected grades always seems to haunt every organization at one time or another.
John Scott intimidated Alex Burrows with a choke slam directly into a 3 point game
He also kept Kevin Bieksa from taking shots at Viktor Stalberg. Oh wait…
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
I saw much improvement over the year ..... Unfortunately, he would be "Most Imprived" for 10 ears to get passable
I don’t see him as a hockey’s version of Gheorghe Mureşan
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I will not argue against the notion that he showed some level of visible improvement.
He just did not do so to the extent that I have unwavering confidence in those “new and improved” abilities.
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
I think his skating improved greatly over the season.
As much of a heart-warmer it would be to have us take this giant who was never really taught to play hockey because he was told to simply fight, I don’t think the Hawks should be a hockey school. It may only be 500K, but that’s 500k we could use for a guy that doesn’t need remedial hockey school.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
I know Rozner is public enemy #1 round these parts.....but there wasn't much to disagree with in his piece today.
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Im not sure they allow these here.....but here ya go.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110607/sports/706079781/
I disagree that they will be remembered more for being douchebags than Cup winners. But I agree with the spirit of the piece.
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despicable
if you ask me that he is writing that AND that it was actually printed… WTF is that? Just bleeds of sore loser. One thing to say it or commnet on their actions which we all have but to have “journalist” write that and have it printed is just awful. I’m ashamed
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He's not really saying anything that hasn't been said by lots of folks now.
Im not a Rozner fan either, but aside from the last line, I really dont find anything that objectionable and I like that the douchiness of the Canucks is being documented.
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Hey guys, today’s Globe and Mail (Canada) also talks about the Canucks becoming the NHL’s most hated team. The talkback, of course, is rubbish, with all kinds of righteous indignation at Matt Sekeres’ article (must be a Habs’ or Leafs’ homer because he’s bashing “Canada’s team”, which the Canucks are definitely not, in my humble opinion).
It's pile on time!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
I have to say though, for me personally, it isn’t because I naturally hate them or anything. I live in Toronto but I am not a Leafs fan so it’s not jealousy or anything. In fact, up until very recently, I had oodles of respect for them. Sure, they mouthed off during the regular season when they were beaten by my Pens (a team that has already won the Cup in recent years), but whatever, it was one game and it came off like sour grapes to me. Somehow, in these playoffs though, I have had a really hard time getting behind them, despite the series with Chicago being a classic. Henrik’s comments about the Blackhawks, another team I love, really left a bad taste in my mouth, I have hated Lapierre since his Hab days, and Torres is horrible. Always knew Burrows was a pest, albeit a talented one, but now I just want to scream when I watch the games. The 3 Nucks I respect the most are Luongo, Daniel Sedin, and Manny Malhotra…and that’s it. This Aaron Rome thing has been horrible too, especially since my team lost its captain to a concussion (or 2), and I woudn’t wish that on anyone. I don’t love the Bruins but I am having no trouble rooting for them.
That was a very interesting article in the Globe and Mail
It speaks volumes that it has taken the country this long to come around to the Canucks, and even now many are not sold.
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I don't think it was very interesting at all
He pulls quotes from Chicago papers, what a guy said on twitter – that’s journalism now?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
And he's also a hack
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Anyways
I’m not saying anymore on this because I know there’s no point.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Okay, so maybe it was a fluff piece but I don’t think the sentiments are necessarily wrong. And who knows? In the wake of the Horton concussion, maybe there will be more like it. Was talking to my co-worker today and he’s off the Canucks bandwagon because of these playoffs. And he missed the Rome hit so I can only imagine his reaction when he finally gets around to seeing it.
I just like getting a Canadian Perspective.
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Well, find us articles by non- Vancouver journalists who don't agree with Rozner, Globe and Mail, etc...
We will wait patiently…but no quotes from Vancouver papers or tweets
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Yeah. I want some of what Barry Melrose is smoking.
I saw him on SportsCenter this morning saying that if the refs start calling ticky-tack penalties for all of the crap that goes on after the whistle, etc., the Bruins are in trouble because they’ll be spending the whole game in the penalty box. Made me wonder whether he’s ever really watched the Nucks play because they get away with a lot more of that crap (diving, biting, general BS) than Boston ever tried to do.
I wish I could respect the Canucks and I’ve tried hard to do that (if only because Semi_Colon seems like a decent enough person), but I just can’t do it. A team has to earn respect and it seems like every game, the Canucks do something that earns the opposite.
I should add that my team employs Matt Cooke, whose suspensions this season were all well-deserved, and what he did to Savard was awful. We employ a goon too. Thankfully, albeit to my team’s detriment, the League suspended him. Had that happened to Torres in Round 1 (or even McGinn or Eager last round), perfect.
despite the series with Chicago being a classic.
amen. it sucks to come out on the short end of it, but it was a great fucking series.
We like our people!
What part of "Sports Journalist" do you not understand?
The entire genre has become a mockery of any thing resembling journalism.
All of it apparently
doesn’t make it any more tolerable
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They're all meatheads
The only difference is that now we have many alternatives to the MSM – and thank goodness.
what, the "hun" thing wasn't enough
surely, this can be given a rest
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
ok snookems don't let this get out of hand
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
It doesn't bother me, sweetheart, but some folk here are sensitive
I’m a proud neanderthal
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Its a completely innocent meme
Im a dude, so I think most everyone can understand a joking objection to a clear typo.
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so
I’m glad my typo has been such a great source of enjoyment. I do find it funny. I’m not complaining. This just proves my gf theory that i am great setting myself up for disaster.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
well, if you can't laugh at yourself
step aside and let us have a crack at it
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I do find funny
I never had some kind of impact on the blog. i don’t care if its my expense. Damn Hun.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
Oh I know you find it funny. I was responding to krome saying some mind find "hun" offensive.
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From now on
he will always be hun, short for honey, in my mind. Thank you for that.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
HA
I meant to right huh? Or something like that.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
I took it as you meant to type "huh"
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Like you said
I think this whole thing has been hilarious.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
It can be given a rest
and don’t call me Shirley.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
do you like gladiator movies?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Ever seen a grown man naked?
...drink your big black cow, and get out of here..."
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 8, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
"Ted, you have to get over Macho Grande!"
...drink your big black cow, and get out of here..."
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 8, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I picked a bad day to stop snifing glue
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
This is a completely different aircraft. Altogether....
...drink your big black cow, and get out of here..."
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 8, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Now if someone would just send that link over to the folks at NM, we’d have a plethora of them coming over to laud their charitable largesse, and btw, did you know that one of the twins donated over ONE MILLION DOLLARS of his own money to a local hospital? No one else in hockey ever does that, you can take that to the bank.
So ESPN insider tells me
the Bryzgalov wants a minimum of 5 years and 30 mil (meaning Hawks61 would be right about him wanting north of 5 mil), according to this source.
So if they’re willing to pay him that kind coin, there’s going to have to be some serious deck shuffling in Philly.
Seems like too much to me.
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I'm Abe Froman, and I approve this message.
Maybe this will free up Versteeg!
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I'm guessing that I'm not alone when I say that
I’m not sure I want Kris Versteeg back at his current cap hit
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I'm Abe Froman, and I approve this message.
I know, I know.
Its fun to daydream though. I would HATE to seem him venture over to the Red Wings though. Scary.
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Only ff Babs manages to somehow not dong whip him at the first mini camp
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
fuck bringing Versteeg back,
get Nick Boynton back on the hawks! Hossa was not injured nearly long enough this year!
Apparently
Bryz didn’t even know his rights got traded. Or so I heard
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
He does come across as a major asshole, so Im not surprised they slighted him.
“There aren’t enough parks in Winnipeg!”
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Russian men ... no further explanation needed
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
He is a RFA Correct?
Perhaps this deal was only to get the follow on acquisition associated with a RFA loss. PHI will tender minimum, not accept 2 year arbitration (1 year will be off the table as they will not offer it), and walk away with a couple few Draft picks.
If this is the case, not a terrible move.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 8, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
whine more, Vancouver
NHLBruins Vigneault said the Canucks have spoke to the NHL about Thomas’ aggressive style outside his crease…^BISH
Then eat a dick.
i call everyone 'bro' regardless of gender or age... which makes running into old ladies at the grocery store kind of awkward.
You know what this means....
….more diving performances than before. If that’s possible.
...drink your big black cow, and get out of here..."
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 8, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ
Can’t remember a former player acting exactly the same when he becomes a head coach. You’re in the finals, show some class for once in your professional life.
Is there a rule about him being outside the crease?
I know he can’t play the puck outside of that or the trapezoid but can he not stray outside the blue besides that?
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
No there's no such rule
The complaint in question was actually registered after Game 1 and has been thoroughly mocked and shot down from throughout the hockey world. It’s actually very clearly laid out in the rule book that the goalie is not limited to having to stay in the crease, nor is he in any way “fair game” just because he’s ventured from it. Really this is just another example of the Canucks being whiny little asshats.
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
At this point, the NHL probably just laughs when Gillies number shows up on caller ID.
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he can go whre ever he wishes, but can't play the puck past center ice or behind goal line outside of trapezoid
once he is a reasonable ways out from the blue paint he is … theorectically … subject to the same interference standards as other players
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
back in the "good old days" once out of the crease the rules allowed for him to be checked
just like any other player … although it was a virtually guaranteed line brawl to do so
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Isn't Thomas IN his crease when he made the check?
And what is wrong with checking a guy who is touching the puck?
They whine, they dive, they pull hair, they bite. Ladies and gentlemen, the Vancouver Canucks!
Please, anyone but Vancouver. Please....
In this case, he was
and goalies (those who were so inclined) have always been a fair degree of latitude in keeping their crease clear
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
It looked to me like a good "hockey play."
Isn’t that the phrase the Nucks always use when one of their players makes a dirty and dangerous borderline play?
They whine, they dive, they pull hair, they bite. Ladies and gentlemen, the Vancouver Canucks!
Please, anyone but Vancouver. Please....
Next he'll be complaining
that the Bruins are unfairly shooting while Luongo is down and flopping around.
In fact, how dare the Bruins even show up!
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I've said it before...Championship teams...
play through bad officiating (real or perceived) and somehow find a way (or will) to win.
Maybe AV forgot that through all of the hoopla in game three, his team was 0-8 on the PP while surrendring 2 SHGs.
Go back to last year…
For all of the talk last year about how Pronger was going to be a factor in the SCF, the Hawks went out scored when they needed and played lockdown D at the other end – Mr. Pronger neutralized. Same thing with the Hawks last year in the quarterfinals – alot was made about Buff being in Luongo’s head, but it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference if Buff didn’t go out and back it up…
by StopItRightThere on Jun 8, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Kaner again makes Deadspin
http://ca.deadspin.com/5809969/patrick-kane-does-something-really-nice
This time its good!
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can't read at work - is it the bday party thing stacie linked?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
it is
I’m still confused by the group photo, though. Why is that kid on the right not with the rest of the group?
SCH's resident 8 year old
he's in time out
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
He's probably the stinky kid
there’s one in every class, no one wants to be anywhere near the stinky kid
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all rumor and innuendo, hun!
When will you people lay off Kaner???? oh, wait, he did something nice? never mind…
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Who needs Chevy, we got Eddie!
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"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jun 8, 2011 1:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
You talkin to me???
You talkin to me? Well I’m the only one here who the f*** are you talking to?
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
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interesting
although would his contract as an announcer have to be fulfilled?
I mean, I don’t even know what I think about the idea in the first place I’m just curious of how it could play out.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 8, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you like clowns
Read Stephen King’s “It,” for a jolly good time.
i like eddie with doc.
the only one who i think could fill his spot is panger. bring him up from “between the glass” and give him a shot.
since edzo is going to be our assistant GM, i say we give pierre a shot at it
as long as were handing out jobs to people who have no business being in them
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 8, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Why I believe I'll vote for a 3rd party candidate
by FrankStallone on Jun 8, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Go ahead, THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY!
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could we rephrase that to "i say we shoot pierre" ?
I’d go for that
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Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
And The Whining/Excuses Continue...
...drink your big black cow, and get out of here..."
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 8, 2011 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
and this...
"(Boston) is a team that prides itself on being the tougher team after the whistle, pushing and shoving," Bieksa said after Wednesday’s morning skate.
And Vancouver is a team that prides itself on flopping and diving in response to the pushing and shoving.
...drink your big black cow, and get out of here..."
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 8, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
...
Vancouver defenseman Kevin Bieksa said intimidation is "their game, that’s for sure, their bread and butter."
wow.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 8, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
His mirror must be cracked
Or maybe his chin gets in the way of his view of himself – they really are beneath contempt at this point.
If that is Boston's bread and butter
it must be Vancouver’s meat and potatoes.
Jeezus.
by flahawkfan on Jun 8, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not a violent person, nor do I support the idea of taking liberties in a game, but
I REALLY wish someone would give Bieksa a crosscheck to the chops. Like, with blood and flying teeth.
I’m sorry. Forgive me. This makes me a terrible representative of a Blackhawks’ fan, but the guy simply needs to be silenced. He is beyond vile.
I will now go do some good deed to make up for my violent reaction to Mr. Douchebag.
They whine, they dive, they pull hair, they bite. Ladies and gentlemen, the Vancouver Canucks!
Please, anyone but Vancouver. Please....
Funny
I REALLY wish someone would give Bieksa a crosscheck to the chops. Like, with blood and flying teeth.
I’m sorry. Forgive me. This makes me a terrible representative of a Blackhawks’ fan…
You’re a preacher but your first priority is concern over how you’ll be perceived as a Blackhaws fan, not your religion. I want to join your church! LOL
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
And if you were a member of my church...
You’d hear about the Blackhawks regularly. Just ask my congregation—they hear about the Hawks all the time. Which is irritating to some of them since I live in Wisconsin.
In fact, a devotional booklet will come out in October that has 31 daily meditations in it that I wrote. One of them is centered around the Hawks winning the Cup!
They whine, they dive, they pull hair, they bite. Ladies and gentlemen, the Vancouver Canucks!
Please, anyone but Vancouver. Please....
There was much truculence built into the common OT mindsets
yeah, I know … skating onto the thin ice … again
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Is it sad
that when I read your post, it took me four tries before it became apparent that “OT” meant “Old Testament” in this case, rather than off-topic?
First obviate now truculence.
This site is embiggening our word knowingness.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
No need to apologize.
At the beginning of the year, Ryan Miller said something and I recall going into MEATHEAD LEVEL 5 and saying the Hawks should just run him for the entire game.
Sometimes this crazy game of hockey gets to your head.
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I know, but it makes me feel like Blues fan or something.
They whine, they dive, they pull hair, they bite. Ladies and gentlemen, the Vancouver Canucks!
Please, anyone but Vancouver. Please....
Oddly, sometimes I feel like I get intense watching Blackhawks games than I did my own games when I was younger.
I think its just because I can’t strap on the pads and go hammer someone anymore…
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that was the toughest thing about watching the kid play when he started
my wife went along with the coaching in part because I was very calm on teh bench, but a basket case in the stands
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Man, if I ever have a kid, they are going to HATE me after their hockey games and practices.
I remember taking my sweet time getting undressed after I played a bad game knowing full well my old man was going to drop every piece of knowledge he had on the trip home….
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My son was clearly told there would be no dilly-dalling in dressing
couched in the “you have to learn to shower/dress quick because eventually your team will ride a bus and you don’t want to be the last one on it” life lesson and that the first guys on the bus get the choice seats
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
You may have forgotten when he got stampeded in the Thunderdome
By none other than Bickell, whose hit pinwheeled Beeker about 360. Funniest moment was when he immediately looked around for a ref to plead his case, albeit while trying to see out of his side earhole. Hilarious.
....or talk to the media. These are brave, brave men.
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Incredibly brave today.
They certainly appear to be blabbing to the media an awful lot today.
These guys are pathetic.
Brave... You want to talk brave?
What about those Vancouver fans?
Bravest in the league – hands down.
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
You're really a Preacher?
This is awesome, (nerd speak to follow) I play Battlefield Bad Company 2 with a guy who’s a pastor, and it’s always funny to me to hear him talking about killing folks in game. Maybe it’s my traditional southern baptist upbringing, but the thought of men of the cloth who have passionate interests outside of the church is awesome to me.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
"men of the cloth who have passionate interests outside of the church is awesome to me."
In that case, I am awesome.
And I like sex a lot too. (With my wife, just to clarify.)
And let me just “palomino” this thread right now!
They whine, they dive, they pull hair, they bite. Ladies and gentlemen, the Vancouver Canucks!
Please, anyone but Vancouver. Please....
Good ol' palomino
Remember a time, long long ago, when we were somehow able to police ourselves by simply typing the phrase palomino?
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Your selection for quoting....
makes it look like I don’t know how to properly use is/are…
:squinty eyes: Was that on purpose?
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
Fascinating Photo Series on "The Puck" that scored "The Goal"...
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
pretty conclusive evidence that he picked up the goal
despite him saying he never touched it. Assuming that’s whatshisface
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
Hurry, somebody call the Wahmbulence!
Vigneault said the Canucks asked the league about the legality of Boston G Tim Thomas’(notes) two-handed check on Vancouver captain Henrik Sedin in Game 3. Thomas knocked Sedin to the ice without receiving a penalty while Sedin attempted to catch a loose puck. "We’ve talked to the NHL about him initiating contact like he did on Hank," Vigneault said. "Hopefully they’re going to handle it."
In their eyes I guess that was more dirty of a play than the one Rome layed out on Horton. Boo hoo!
AV et al just keep digging.
They are certainly among the elite in NHL whining. They may convince me yet that Skags was right when he said yesterday he has never seen a team like this before.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I really hope Karma smacks them in the face
And they lose the series…Then they can whine some more and maybe we can hear Hank say how the Hawks don’t belong.
John Scotts only purpose next year should be to destroy the gingers.
i have a question about this
was it a dumb play?
shouldn’t Timmy be more concerned with keeping the puck out of the net?
We like our people!
I thought the same thing.
But then I figured someone should step up and raise some hell with the Twins, who better than Thomas? Weren’t they already spotting a 3 to 4 goal lead then?
No it wasn't
I heard an interview afterward…
“That type of play happens a lot in practice. And guys catch the puck and put it on the ice and go this way or that and they score on him easily. So he said he had 1/100th of a sec to react and that seemed like the best action to take.”
Forgive the quotes, but it was something like this.
I heard Thomas say something to the effect of...
Honk [sic] caught the puck in front of my crease, and I was preventing him from a creating a scoring chance by checking the [deleted] out of him.
Anyway, that’s what I thought i read.
...drink your big black cow, and get out of here..."
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 8, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
He should me more concerned
About not attempting to stickhandle his way 30 feet in front of his crease – I know this is a part of his style, but I’ve yet to see the advantages in doing it. Cutting down the angle sounds good for breakaways, but this?
Obviosusly a Penalty on Thing 2
But Rome, oh hell NO! That was a clean open ice hit!
Pot Calling Kettle, Pot Calling Kettle…………Come in Black, are you there?
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 8, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
but wait! there's more!
on PD Vancouver says this Tim Thomas aggression will not stand
According to the NHL rulebook, that’s an illegal play: When a “goalkeeper deliberately initiates contact with an attacking player other than to establish position in the crease, or otherwise acts to make unnecessary contact with the attacking player,” it’s a minor penalty.
Well, Honks left foot is right on the red line surrounding the crease in that pic on PD. I guess you could say he’s not on the blue paint yet though he’s obviously on the cusp. He also had played the puck.
“We asked the league. Part of Thomas’ way of playing is playing out of the blue paint, initiating contact, roaming out there. He seems to think that once he’s out, set, makes the save, that he can go directly back in his net without having anybody behind him.
“Well, that’s wrong. He’s got the wrong rule on that. If we’re behind him, that’s our ice and we’re allowed to stay there. We’ve talked to the NHL about that. We’ve talked to the NHL about him initiating contact like did on Hank. They’re aware of it. Hopefully they’re going to handle it.”
He initiated contact once. Also, I’m assuming most goalies think that way – and the league does too. Hence Burrows getting the GI for tripping Nemo when he was outside of the crease as well. Players have a right to the ice, that doesn’t mean you run the goalie. And speaking of running the goalie, not sure how Manny didn’t get a GI when he went into Thomas and the net – didn’t look like he didn’t make any attempt to avoid or stop. And the League can tell him not to shove players, and he won’t (unless they are in his crease), but they can’t stop the way he chooses to goaltend right? And they can’t tell Thomas or players, that since he’s outside of the crease he’s fair game. I guess what they can do, is tell Thomas that if he thinks there has been a bad play, he should sprawl on the ice and stare at the ref to make sure he gets a call.
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Holy Shit
Someone in the media wrote something nice about Patrick Kane the human being!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Patrick-Kane-finally-gets-title-winning-puck-wi;_ylt=An6oaLJe9QyVoI3KQPSy4M0mvLYF?urn=nhl-wp6709
WIth goodwill to now squander, I await Kaner's next folly.
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Positive PR move by his people.
To wait until now to let this out, I know he just got the championship puck from the kid but still.
oh god
just saw an interview clip with burrows on nhl on the fly
and I quote
Were a team that plays whistle to whistle
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 8, 2011 5:09 PM CDT reply actions
You forgot the rest
Were a team that plays whistle to whistle, and give diving lessons after the whistle
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 8, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait... I've got the correction tape here....
Were a team that plays whistle to whistle. From the first whistle, to the next first whistle, we won’t stop.
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