Pieces Starting To Move - Notes And Ends And Such
by SamFels on Jun 9, 2011 1:08 PM CDT
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PrintWhile the true pawn-moving won't begin until Vancouver completes this meltdown and we laugh until July, there are some things rumbling around the league that could, and perhaps should, affect the Hawks.
-First things first, as McClure mentioned in the comments in the Anniversary post, the Daily News is reporting that Chris Drury is going to get bought out. This isn't really a shock, it's been rumored from months. And as soon as it surfaced, I have been all over the Hawks trying to sign Drury. Ignore his contract and his production relative to that. Drury would make a most excellent fourth-line center. He can still kill penalties expertly, and win faceoffs. We can no longer say that winning draws isn't important, we saw how that went last year. He would provide insanely more finish than Ryan Johnson could, he's only a year removed from a 20-goal season. He could fill in the #3 role for 5-10 games if Bolland got hurt again. But most of all, the dude's got a sack that can crush skulls (um ew?). And he would provide veteran leadership which I think we can all agree was lacking on the Hawks last year. You may not think fourth-line centers matter, but for a Hawks team that lives to roll four lines, they most certainly do. Ben Smith and Drury together on that unit? Yeah, I'll take that. And he won't be expensive. To boot, at 35 you'd have to believe he's only in it for one more chance to win. It makes an awful lot of sense.
-Also, with Ilya Bryzgalov heading to Philly, and there apparent determination to sign him even though everyone's saying he's asking for housing on Mt. Olympus, the Flyers are going to have to lose some pieces. Either they can't re-sign Leino, or they'll have to jettison some of Versteeg, Carter, Hartnell, Carle, or Coburn (or in the ultimate dream, no way they'd be this stupid but it is Philly after all, Mike Richards). They only have 400k of cap space now and that's without Bryz. Of that list, Hartnell or Coburn look pretty tasty to me. It's worth a phone call if nothing else. Hartnell does have a no-trade, but somehow I think Chicago can probably always end up on someone's allowed list.
-A word on Roberto Luongo here: I doubt any other blog has gotten more mileage or joy from the cartoon that Borat can sometimes be (and no team has probably benefited more than the Hawks in the postseason the past few years). However, during this postseason, Luongo has fallen so far down my Asshole-Canuck list, I can't even really fathom it. That doesn't mean I'm rooting for him or anything. Yes, Luongo has bitched about officiating in the past. But did he take it to the level that Vigneault, Bieksa, Gillis, or whatever Sedin is talking has? Not really. Yes, Luongo has dived to get calls in the past, but is it the absurdist theater that Henrik Sedin and Alex Burrows are? Not even close. Luongo also hasn't bitten anyone, cracked someone with a criminally late hit, turtled when confronted by an actual adult, or taken shots while being corralled by a linesmen. For the most part, Bob has generally stood up and been accountable when he wasn't good, and then improved his play. His faults are simply his play. It's kind of astounding that that could be considered admirable on that team. Tells you everything you need to know about them.
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Read about possibly gaining Hartnell
I hate that hairy, smelly looking bastard, but he would look a hell of a lot better in the Indian Head putting his ass in front of the net and cleaning up garbage.
you might be sick, but you feel alright to me.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jun 9, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
I would love having hartnell on the top line
You could have hartnell making all sorts of mess in the crease and toews and kane cycling around? yes please.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jun 9, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Scotty "the Trashman" Hartnell
and the Yeti.
Those are my favorite names for him.
by transienthawk on Jun 9, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I called him..
Valanche. That or Assface.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Jun 10, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
That's mean.
Scott Hartnell is way funnier than Bruce Vilanch, that’s not fair to him.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
I would LOVE to have Hartnell on the hawks
But only if he grew his hair back out. Dude’s a fucking monster. And a fucking monster.
by Andrew Cieslak on Jun 9, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't but you've seen him
I HAVE TRAVELLED 500 MILES TO GIVE YOU MY SEED
by Andrew Cieslak on Jun 9, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Hartnell as a Hawk would be a fucking dream come true.
He’s probably one of my favorite players in the league.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 12, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Luongo this year
is the Kesler of last year. He looks like a shining beacon of humanity when surrounded by the rest of his team.
Not that it's particularly difficult
I mean, it’s like saying someone was the kindest and most compassionate nazi…
by FrankStallone on Jun 9, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Godwin's Law
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
I think that Godwin's law applies to any discussion
not just an argument
by FrankStallone on Jun 9, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
in retrospect
i’m thinking a lot of Reboundo’s problem was due to the asinine idea of having a goalie as team captain.
We like our people!
Um ew.
With access to all 172,000 + words in the English language and our description of Chris Drury is a guy who’s got a sack that can crush skulls?
awesome. I don’t know even know what the fuck that even means, but I like it.
Depending on the source
That number varies wildly, you quoted oxford dictionary’s total…. These guys beg to differ.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
Totally agree regarding Luocho
Apparently in Vancouver, the “C” stands for official team Crybaby.
Nothing Wimpy about this guy, but do you think Tank gladly ate a cheeseburger on Tuesday, for a shutout the next day?
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet home Chicago!
(Short sale pending)
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 9, 2011 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I have to ask
How did this Thomas/Cheezburger thing come from? I must’ve missed it…
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
part of thomas' routine is to eat a cheeseburger the day before every game.
(source)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Who wins a fight between the Thomasburger and the Bylsma Burrito?
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Depends on how the cheeseburger is cooked.
Bylsma eats a Qdoba “Ancho Chile Pork BBQ Burrito, made with a mix of hot and mild salsa plus cheese”.
Positives:
1. It’s from Qdoba, not Chipotle. He doesn’t have to use a Billy Mays product to clean his underwear.
2. Ancho Chile Pork is a solid burrito—not the best, but better than Poblano Pesto and Fajita Rachera.
3. Mixing salsas is a nice touch.
Negative:
1. No queso sauce, by far the tastiest part of any Qdoba burrito. He should add that instead of regular cheese.
Grade: B+
Thomas’s cheeseburger:
If he eats it rare or medium-rare: A-.
If it’s medium: B.
If it’s medium-well: C.
If it’s well-done: D.
The More Important Question
How does Bylsma stay awake after eating that 1200 calorie brick before every game? Does Kevin Stevens give him some stimulants after dinner?
Again with the arbitrary grading?
You just can’t help yourself!
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I don't see how you gave the Burrito
a B+. I didn’t read your justification at all and I just skipped straight to the grade but I would have given it a B
by Speed3 on Jun 9, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
The burger. Burrito is too complicated.
“Grill the meat then put it on a bun. Eat it with your mouth, so that it goes into your belly. Repeat.”
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jun 9, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesomes
Thanks for that. Kind of sad reading about how cool Marc Savard was and also a bit weird reading the Bruins might make the playoffs for the first time in years.
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Besides, how could I possibly hate on Lu
when he’s been so decisive during this time of crisis for the Nucks??
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet home Chicago!
(Short sale pending)
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 9, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
"but somehow I think Chicago can probably always end up on someone's allowed list"
Never thought I would hear that 5 years ago
Another guy outside of Hartnell
I would like to see is Ville Leino, he potted 19 and 50 points or so. Another solid addition to the 4th line if they decide not to bring Stals back
Leino is going to get paid
and he’s going to be top 6 somewhere. Fourth line here is out of the question. Philly will probably deal versteeg and/or carle before ruling out Leino’s return.
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I was reading that
But he is a guy I would love to have but your probably right w/ Steeger being moved first. I dont think he fit in and Philly fans seem to really want him gone and his 3 mm cap hit doesn’t help
In a perfect world
Versteeg would be part of a tri-party trade involving the Flyers, The Voice and Real Housewives.
They'll trade him to Nashville for Mike Fisher.
This way, Philadelphia gets some “country culture” (in the form of Mrs. Mike Fisher) to replace “Country Stupid” and Nashville gets the NHL’s premiere rap artist, bringing the city some much needed street cred.
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Leino could play on the Hawks second line
and his chin would still end up on the fourth line.
That things a monster of Lenoian proportions.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
In Fantasy Land
No way it will happen, but fun to think about.
No offense on the Drury love
but the Hawks have had an abundance of 3rd and 4th line centers, I’d like to see them address the hole in #2 first.
Luongo grates because he’s a diva, but he hasn’t been as bad lately as before. Don’t even get me started on some of the rest of the embarrassing Canucks.
Team USA backup goalie > Team Canada goalie. Just sayin.
Underreported stat of the day: team that scores first has won every game. Not necessarily a surprising stat but what’s been more critical has been the ability of the team that takes the lead to dictate their kind of game. In game 2 Boston did recover to get a lead of their own, but they just don’t have the kind of scoring depth to do that regularly. I’ve never cared much for the “weather the storm” philosophy. First goal of game 5 is going to be HUGE for how that game transpires, not to mention the crowd.
I agree that a 2nd line center should be a higher priority
but the issue is that it’s a position that will be MUCH harder to fill than a 4th line center. The only real top 6 forward whose natural position is center available on the UFA market is Brad Richards, and he’s going to sign in either New York or Toronto for probably double the cap hit that the ’Hawks could (or would be willing to) afford. It seems to me that the only real viable options for this coming season are to get a center via trade (feasible), commit to Sharp being the full-time 2nd line center (maybe not ideal, but certainly not a terrible option), or moving Bolland up to the 2nd line and either acquiring a 3rd line center or promoting from within the organization (the worst of the 3 options for several reasons IMO, but that in no way is meant to disparage the Rat who has my undying loyalty)
by FrankStallone on Jun 9, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen;
Your 2nd line center for 2011-12: Brooks Laich at around 3 to 3.5mil.
I only like the Drury idea at around 1mil.
Finally,
The pure unadulterated joy I feel about the choking of the canucks is making my face hurt.
However, the love “that dare not speak it’s name” I have developed for Timmy Thomas is making me feel a little dirty.
whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
by anytime_I_can on Jun 9, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm in this camp.
I feel that they can get Laich for probably a little bit cheaper than he was previously signed for (he had a down year, in a contract year, and I don’t think he’s that young either). If he can be brought in for a fair amount, you sign Drury to 1-1.2 or so, and you’ve got Toews, Laich, Bolland and Drury down the middle for your four lines.
Not too shabby, in my humble opinion.
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Not to shabby? I'm already drooling.
Laich is 27, btw.
But we are not going to get Laich for less than the 2.4mil he made this year.
He is being looked at by many teams and there is some rumor the number may be 4 to 4.5mil.
Also, I still think we would be ok re-signing RJ for cheap even if we already have 4 centers.
whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
by anytime_I_can on Jun 9, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
If Laich commands that much in the open market, then let some other team overpay for him.
That is also part of my opinion. Our team doesn’t have the cap space to overpay anymore.
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Marty Reasoner anyone?
Can we convince ourselves, based on his play vs. the Hawks, that he can be our 2nd line center for a ridiculous 1.5mil?
Yeah, I didn’t think so. But he would be a good option if Drury does not happen for that 4th line.
Thoughts?
whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
by anytime_I_can on Jun 9, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, yeah... I like this idea to some extent, too.
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It's Brooks, brother
I am a big fan of this guy’s grit, leadership, and attitude. I only hope the bidding on him doesn’t exceed $4.0M. He’d be worth a $3.5M for 5-7 years.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Jun 10, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I think getting both Laich and Drury is a pipedream (one worth having, but still). Also, I’d be astonished if Laich gets less money than he currently makes. I can’t imagine him signing anywhere for less than 3 million, and I’d bet he gets more. I’m also thinking Drury will get a couple mill, though … so it’s possible I’m overestimating. I don;t think so, though.
www.mjt.org
You're probably overestimating Drury, I'm probably underestimating Laich.
Realistically.
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How dare you.
In real life, sometimes, I’m wrong. But this is the internet: you should bow and apologize and acknowledge my insights. Always. That is how it works.
www.mjt.org
Heh... I didn't say you were wrong.
I said probably, this is the internet.
Clearly, on the internet probably means that nobody can make a claim or accusation either way against someone.
Always.
LoL
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UFA's or a trade???
Outside of Brooks Laich from the Caps or a guaranteed healthier (not likely) Tim Connelly from Buffalo, there aren’t any names on the UFA center list that fit the need. Don’t you think a more realistic option would be to trade an asset that others would want (Hjammer) for a legit second line scoring center?
I think trading Jelly
to San Jose, let’s say, would create a hole on defense we can’t replace right now.
Yes, you get his 3.5mil. of the books but open a gaping hole in our D.
I don’t mind Campoli but I think we need a strong stay at home guy to pair with 51.
Besides, who is this legit 2nd line Scoring Center you speak of?
Thornton, Pavelski, Marleau?
Mike Richards ain’t going to happen.
whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
by anytime_I_can on Jun 9, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
the most realistic option is sharp playing center
and picking up a winger through free agency. The winger FA market isn’t much better than the center market, but it is better.
I definitely agree that Sharpie is more suited to play wing
but the fact of the matter is that the free agent market for centers is really pretty thin this year. The only true top 6 forward whose natural position is center on the UFA market is Brad Richards, and even if the ‘Hawks wanted to go for him he’ll have offers from NYR and TOR that are easily double what the ‘Hawks can afford against the cap. Tim Connelly can’t stay healthy for long enough to really be considered a true top 6 guy, and while I like Brooks Laich (I live in DC and have seen him play plenty of times, I like what he brings to the table), he’s much more of a natural winger than a center. So really the ‘Hawks only options other than having Sharpie stay at center are to go after a center via trade, go after a player who’s not a true center and stick him there anyways (I don’t see how that’s any different or better than what the ‘Hawks have done with Sharp), or go with a guy who’s a true center but not a top 6 caliber talent. Quite frankly the only one of those options that really makes much sense is to try to acquire a 2nd line center in a trade, but I worry about what the ‘Hawks would have to give up in return. What it boils down to is that I won’t exactly be overjoyed if Sharpie is still the 2nd line center next season, I won’t be too upset either because it’s worked in the past and quite frankly unless something amazing just so happens to fall into the ’Hawks laps it might end up being the best solution.
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I think your assessment of the current situation is correct. Some of us wished for a little bit better planning by management to prevent being in this situation.
Yeah
but this “current situation” did contribute to the cup win last year. We gladly made that trade-off.
Plus, it’s not like we are in awful shape. 1 or 2 pieces should put us in the position to contend for the cup this coming year.
Alex Tanguay
79GP-22G-47A-69PTS
Long time lurker, 1st time poster. Tang’s was at 1.7 last year as the Flames basically extended the olive branch. Word up here in Calgary is that he’s likely to take a home-town discount to stay here again as his career was revived playing with Iggy. Problem is, they are in a tougher spot the the Hawks, IMO.
A natural winger, he took about 600 draws last year so he’s in the Laich pseudo centre category. That being said, he is a pure set-up man. Spectacular passer and would work wonders on a line with Hoss and Sharp (again IMO). At his age, if he was offered term, I think he could be had for less than 3.5/
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Quick math, carry the...
Born in November ’79, makes him 31 at opening day.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Really, he's only 31?
I would have guessed a couple of years north of that…
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, kind of defies logic, no?
He lost a season in the abyss with those fool owners in T-Bag (before Yzerman got in there) and had a poor’ish stint with the Habs too. Kind of fell off the radar. Flames most dynamic player last year. Really carried Iginla through the final 1/3rd of the season when he was scorching goalies nightly.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
No thanks
Questionable work ethic and softer than a melted Frosty.
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Kindly disagree
That was certainly his MO, but he really had to dig in last year after taking a massive pay cut on a 1-year deal. Could he return to those softer ways after landing a larger “last” contract? Sure.
I would agree that he’s one more soft player into a soft line-up but I think finding a gritty set-up man to pair with Hoss and/or Sharp isn’t going to happen. Asie from taking 1000+ draws, he’s very much the typical set-up centre. Learned to play really deep defensive structure under Brent Sutter last year too.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Then keep Sharp at center and get a banger on the wing (Erik Cole). That’s a far better appropriation of funds than Alex damn Tanguay.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
Fair point.
I won’t argue Sharp at centre, with a banger on the wing, but was providing other UFA 2nd line centre options (essentially let Sharp and Tanguay take draws on their strong side and then “float” into the centre position afterwards).
I prefer Sharp on the wing, but there doesn’t appear to be an easy/suitable fix at #2 centre for us. Sharp/Hoss combo doesn’t seem quite fly together either. A pure passer (however soft he may be) could allow them both to flourish.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Given how terrible this UFA crop is, I’d rather not spend bad money on a “#2” quasi-center when there’s on the roster they already won a cup with, even though he may be better suited at wing in an ideal world…much like Tanguay is. That money can be more effectively spent elsewhere.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
Yeah… yeah, I’d prefer to not burn the 6 to 8 bucks sitting in our pocket on this years junk. Sorry, “crop”. I have no idea what positioning for next years UFA’s could/would bring us. Truthfully, I don’t even know who is a potential UFA for summer ’12.
64k question to me is how do you add enough to be more reliable night-in-night-out, so we don’t waste another year of our core talent and still position ourselves for what may be a better UFA situation next summer…?
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
“waster” may have been a poor choice of words. Perhaps “burn” would be better terminology.
Learning from losing is never a waste either. I just hope they have learned to not dog fcuk points away…
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
McClure or any of the braintrust really,
Except, Hack! I kid.
What’s your take on Laich? Do you really see this as “BAD” money on a #2 quasi-center?
I recall many a game I would have loved to see even a quasi-center.
What about Marty Reasoner? We can afford his 1.5mil. and I was pretty impressed with his play in those 2 games against the Hawks.
whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
by anytime_I_can on Jun 10, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Laich (see what I did there?)
Couple problems though. 1) He’s a heart and soul guy for the Caps and says he wants to stay, you’d have to overpay to get him. 2) Listed as a center, but isn’t one. 3) Not as much finish as you really want in the top 6. He’d look great on Bolls’ wing with Frolik, but not for the price he’s going to command.
Marty Reasoner is fine for a fourth center, but he’s probably not going to only get $1.5 after potting 19. Man, if only the Hawks could have had him last year, amirite El Duque?
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A lotta love
for Reasoner over at the Feather. I post there too and I like the Reasoner kool-aid we’re drinking.
Funny side, you know the Hawks drafted Tanguay’s little brother in ‘07? He’s buried in the coast though…
(sorry for hijacking a post requesting brain-trust comments)
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, no apologies necessary.
I welcome all reasonable input.
Unless you’re a ‘nucks fan, then I don’t believe that reasonable is in their vocab.
whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
by anytime_I_can on Jun 10, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
By saying that you welcome "all reasonable input"
you’ve already disqualified all nucks fans
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Bicks is virtually assured
of being on Bolly’s wing along with Frolik.
Spending money on Laich just to put him on Bolly’s wing would be a waste of cash. IMO. Not that he’s not an upgrade to Bicks.
Would you pay Marty Reasoner 2-2.5mil. to be a 2nd 3rd line center?
whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
by anytime_I_can on Jun 10, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I wouldn't
A couple of reasons…
1) I don’t believe he’s good/skilled enough to play #2
2) at #3 do you expect him to log the tough minutes/assignments Bolland carries? That’s what I would expect (or at least a solid portion of them) and I don’t think he’s good enough for that either (CAVEAT: I think he has the make-up to do it, but wouldn’t perform the duties to level we’re accustomed to with Bolly.
3) he potted 15 (or whatever it was) because even on Florida, he was largely facing up against other teams lesser lights.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If I only had a blog, I'd get some respect
Eh, prolly not. But a man can dream.
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet home Chicago!
(Short sale pending)
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 10, 2011 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
no respect!
I can see you pulling the necktie away from your neck as you say it ;)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Oh the Cup for some future personnel woes was absolutely worth the trade off. I just would’ve thought, a year later, there was some sort of plan for having a real 2nd line center. Something. And maybe they do have a plan and I’ll be pleasantly surprised. We’ll see…
The plan is Morin
Kidding – however, maybe not…
Morin on a wing in the top 6, however, isn’t that far-fetched. Stan and Q both love him, and were it not for his contract and/or his brain turning to guacamole, he would have played far more than his 9 games up here.
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Hope you're right
But I really worry about whether we’re going to be pinning our hopes again on more rooks from the minors next season. I like the kid a ton, but worry about his fatigue level if he has to play an entire season up here. BTW, I’m still confused about the exact nature of his injury last year – at first I heard it was a concussion, then later read reports about it actually being a neck injury. Was it a neck injury leading to a concussion?
Morin looks like the real deal to me
I’m excited to see what he’s capable of in a full season with the big dogs
I saw it referrd to as a "whiplash" neck injury - which is plausible in hockey
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Agreed... My take on Morin's invisibility is that it is strictly
injury related.
We all know that “the plan” that K_Dog speaks of involved Marcus Kruger anyway. Right?
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whats a reasonable number for drury to come in at?
1.5mm hit?
by SergeiKrivokrasov25 on Jun 9, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
Clearly this is all speculation
but I feel like the ‘Hawks would have a couple of things working in their favor if they wanted to sign Drury. First of all, he might be willing to take less money than he might otherwise be worth because he’ll also be raking it in courtesy of his buyout form the Rangers. Case in point an example from the NFL last year – TJ Houshmandzadeh signed for a VERY discounted rate with the Baltimore Ravens after being released by Seattle, he didn’t need a big contract because he was already getting something like $7 million from Seattle to not play for them. And secondly, I’ve got to imagine that as he heads into the twilight of his career he’ll be looking for an opportunity to get his name inscribed on the Cup one more time so he’ll probably also be willing to take a discount in order to play for a contender.
by FrankStallone on Jun 9, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with McClure here... Slightly less...
We let Turco go, we signed Salak for only 600k. That 600k plus RJ17’s 500k makes part of the money needed to upgrade from RJ17 to CD23.
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Sorry, that should be 700k plus RJ's 500k.
(700k being the difference between Turco’s contract, and that signed by Salak)
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But that line of reasoning completely ignores
Corey Crawford’s new contract that brings his cap hit from $800K to $2.67 million
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it does, but I don't see where that applies actually.
I’m simply looking at other contracts that do/don’t have to exist. We have already replaced Turco’s 1.2 with Salak’s .6. That nets us 600k from the swapping of the backups alone.
If you move on to RJ, and assume that you replace him (and his 500k allocation) with CD, you have 1.1 available based only on those two (three) contracts and what they have netted us.
In that line of reasoning, Crow’s contract has no bearing at all.
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Yes please
Drury please. But I think he’ll cost more than 1.5 … I have to think someone among 29 teams would be willing to spill 2 his way. Now, cut that 29 in half to reduce the bidders to winning teams, but I still think 1 of a dozen teams will have the cap room to offer him a 35+ deal that gets him 2 mil, maybe more, for 3 or 4 yrs. I’m not saying that’s what he should get, don’t get me wrong, I just think someone will give him that.
www.mjt.org
does the high bidder win?
oh does Drury take less to play for a contender?
He’s already gonna rake in $5 mido from the Rangers.
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Love to get Drury
obviously, help up the middle is welcome, and he wouldn’t bust the budget (i.e. could still add a middling forward and d-man with some size.)
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Somewhat O/T regarding Capgeek
So I’m on Capgeek right now, and it’s saying the Nucks have $13.7mil in cap space and the Panthers have $40mil in cap space. WTF? Are the free-agents-to-be off the books according to them or something?
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...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Thanks
It’s the only thing I could think of, but I was confused because they still appeared on the detailed breakdown page.
Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
I probably should've noticed it sooner
but I just realised every team has like 17 players (the Habs only have 10!). That may have been a clue.
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...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
More importantly than being a 4th line Center, Drury can kill penalties
Assuming he doesn’t turn into Fernando Pisani, that would be a major, major boost to this Blackhawk team.
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For those who missed it
Get in their way, make them pay, this series is starting to go our way…why don’t I just go eat some hay, make things out of clay, lay by the bay? I just may! What’d ya say?
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Nay.
There are some who call me........Tim?
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jun 9, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
back in the day, I jumped in the fray
because I wanted to play, and I could use a lay, Homer’s middle name is Jay?
by FrankStallone on Jun 9, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
alternative view
In a sluggish economy, never, ever fuck with another man’s livelihood!
We like our people!
I don't have photoshop talents as so many of you do, but I can envision a picture...
Of Thelma and Louise going over a cliff, hand in hand, with red hair, scruffy beards, and of course, the babushka!
In Huntington Beach, got to watch last nights game at the hotel bar surrounded by 6 canucks fans, and sitting next to 2 Oilers fans. Talk about a FUN evening!
My Father's name is Jack, and my Mother's name is Daniels...
Some Thoughts, and, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!
READ MY POST!!!!
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Don't mess with the mullet
Aside from the Bruins’ win, this was the best part of last night’s game….
Lord Stanley's new address: Sweet home Chicago!
(Short sale pending)
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 9, 2011 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
Nice, and Rec'd!
Isn’t it odd how well a green turtle shell matches up with Van’s away colors? Just an aesthetic aspect I noticed.
How ‘bout Thomas going all Paul Bunyan on Burrows’ leg last night? Pretty Awesome.
Good stuff CNS.
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
How the hell is Hartnell and his $4.2 mil cap hit looking attractive? Yes, let’s fuck our cap situation again (because last summer was soooo much fun) to bring in a guy who will only infuriate us with his all too frequent stupid penalties.
Fuck, even Coburn at $3.2 mil doesn’t seem that attractive. Yes, it’s a reasonable salary to pay for a quality top-four d-man, but it’s 3.2 we don’t have with all the holes we need to fill (#2 center, decent backup keeper, etc.) And trading Hammer for Coburn isn’t feasible given that the Flyers need to dump salary.
In closing, let the Flyers twist in the wind (they weren’t helping us last year) and if they screw the pooch, raid JVR next year.
Agreed, plus I'm hoping Winnipeg will use some of it's cap space
to go after some of these guys and maybe let Ladd sleep through the cracks and back to Chicago.
What do you think about at least pulling a D. Wilson move and putting in a decent bid
for him to at least raise the stakes?
Not enough cap room here. They'll match. There are better options for RFA poaching.
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Cheveldayoff made it quite clear Ladd is his No. 1 priority.
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wouldn't be a great way to start off there
by losing your leading scorer and captain. So he is going to stay, even if they overpay for it.
I hate when common sense and good ole fashion
hockey knowledge gets in the way of my grandiose and narcissistic dreams.
If it were Sather and not any other GM in the league
your dreams may have come true.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Jun 10, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I expect D. Wilson to go after all of the Canucks RFA's this year, I mean...
They’re the ones that eliminated them this year, so that’s what happens right?
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Flash from the past
Redtribe14 is commenting on the Bruins’ blog.
http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2011/6/7/2211139/horton-to-miss-remainder-of-playoffs#69069535
His signature needs to have an SCH “disclaimer.”
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 9, 2011 3:39 PM CDT reply actions
holy god..
..it’s like a cross between “Democratic People’s Republic Of Korea” press releases and the scrawlings of an eight-year-old on Ritalin…
“Please to be saying we know nothings of this person! "
Agreed on LU
He’s overrated, but you could say the same for many high – profile players around the league. Like Kesler. Or Bieksa. Or Hamhius. Or…
Lu is actually a Stand- up guy, he gets a pass compared with the others...
And they don’t like him very much right now in Vancouver, the Rogers Arena crowd was booing him when he got pulled the other night…gotta feel sorry for the guy in some respects
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
After his comments on Tank
I think you should rescind your comment.
Occam's Razor keeps the cutting clean.
by russellguldin on Jun 13, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Kesler's overrated
and up until Bieksa got repeatedly embarrassed last night I was thinking he was having a strong playoffs.
BTW Marty St. Louis is still 3rd in playoff points. That’s 3’8" of pure hockey player there.
by Scott13 on Jun 9, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As long as he's compared to Toews and Crosby he's overrated
Not even close to those two, let alone Datsuk, for the entirety of the playoffs.
he is completely overrated
he’s not a bad player, far from it, but he is toted as the best two-way player ever by the media
I'm a lobbying for Zenon Konopka, Ben Smith and Dowell together on the 4th line...
Before Dowell got hurt he was pretty effective. Saw Konopka play a lot when he was with the Lightning, he brings it every night and is physical, a good defensive player with lots of energy, drop the gloves (58 fights the last 2 years) and is also very good on face-offs…
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
I have disturbing feelings toward Lu....
One thing that shocked me coming out of this playoff season is the respect I feel for Lu. He has been totally messed with by his coach and been jeered by his own fans but he does all the interviews with patience and maturity. He’s not even flopping or whining all that much. I would be physically ill if he got the Cup this year, but I can’t quite muster the disgust for him that the other divers/whiners/biters/dirty players on his team provoke.
They whine, they dive, they pull hair, they bite. Ladies and gentlemen, the Vancouver Canucks!
Please, anyone but Vancouver. Please....
IDK
I have a hard time feeling bad for him. He can drive home to his nice house and call the 1-900 line to talk to someone who will make him feel better.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
I'm actually with you 100% on this one, Preacher...
While I enjoy piling it on Luocho as much as anyone else, I do absolutely respect the guy.
Historically, he’s been a stand-up guy, and made himself accountable for his play. Yes, he will embellish for a call, but that, in and of itself is not enough to make me loathe any player. It will make me laugh at them yeah, but not loathe them.
I respect the guy, and would love to see him win a Cup. I just don’t want any of those ass-hats that currently dress like him to every touch it.
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Simmons
Takes the Canucks apart here: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6645105/proud-nhl-front-runner
Simmons
mostly takes himself apart. If someone’s going to effectively make the case that the Canucks are an embarrassment certainly we can find someone more credible than this. Is the rapture guy available?
That's not a good option either
Reilly is just another asshat who thinks he’s hilarious. A lot like Simmons, in fact. Only guys I’d trust is the ones who used to do FJM – and it’s gone and they’re just doing their full – time jobs now.
Reilly used to be great, back in the day when SI itself was relevant.
And before he became a “star.” Now I can’t stand to read him.
Fuck Bill Simmons.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
One short story about Simmons
He was pulled over for a traffic ticket while driving near Seattle a year or so ago. While the officer was checking his driver’s license Simmons engaged him in banter, basically intimating that he was a big shot, something along the lines of “don’t you know who I am?” crapola. The officer wasn’t impressed and had no idea who the fuck this jackass was, so wrote him the ticket. Talentless jackhole, pure and simple.
Who gives a shit what Simmon's opinion is, he thinks the most assholic (not a word) elements of hockey are its most entertaining. PS taking the piss out of the Canucks is like shooting fish in a barrel
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 10, 2011 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I used to like Simmons
but hockey isn’t his thing.
i feel quite a bit stupider after reading this:
I assumed Bruins fans and Canucks fans would be bonded by their histories of heartbreak (a little like the Cardinals and Red Sox in 2004, actually).
This is wrong on so many levels. First, the Bruins won the Cup in ’70 and ’72, so spare me the long-suffering fan bullshit, you spoiled Boston twat.
but what blows me away is the Cardinals/Red Sox analogy. Is this guy such an East Coast ignoramus that he doesn’t realize the Cardinals (who I hate intensely) are probably the most successful National League franchise of all time. what.a.tool.
We like our people!
Did you know Bill Simmons is just a regular guy who likes sports?
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Bill Simmons sucks. Too Bostony, too self-indulgent.
But I suppose I owe the fact that I have this gig to him, which pisses me off.
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haven't heard this one
But I suppose I owe the fact that I have this gig to him
Why?
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Wasn't he considered the first real sports blogger?
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by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
*real successful
Sort of the Andrew Sullivan or Mickey Kaus of sports blogging.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Three things
1. It didn’t bother me to read him rip on Van.
2. Too damn long. It was like a book and I don’t have that kind of time when I’m at work. I barely have any time left to do my job after SCH.
3. Yeah, that Cardinals/Red Sox thing made no sense. Obviously he doesn’t follow baseball at all. The stinkin’ Cards have won four world series in my life time alone. They’ve been in the series countless times.
That is all.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I would like my catfish back.
by Hi, I'm Bob LeDonne on Jun 9, 2011 9:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I would too
just so someone would be on the team, wearing a jersey I’ve purchased. He seems more likely than Buff or Havlet
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
Sam, you eloquated exactly what I've been feeling lately
Just an extreme flip on my views of Luongo. That guy is getting absolutely brutalised by the media and fans and he stands and takes it like a man. A lot of what’s going wrong for that team isn’t his fault and yet he is still there answering for everyrhing with class, unlike his captain, whom I haven’t heard a peep from. Seeing Honk as a captain make me appreciate Toews more and more.
"What is icing?"
"Well, uh... icing appen when uh the puck come down... bang, you know, before the other guys, nobody there, you know. My arm go comme ça then the game stop then start up."
by anActiveStick on Jun 10, 2011 1:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
We've heard plenty of peeps from Honk
about how the Canucks have been the better team and outplayed their opponent in every game this postseason and how they’ve only lost games because of lucky bounces and/or poor officiating. It would actually be better had we not heard anything from him…
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Shockingly, one of the clones actually admitted that the hit was a little late
but refused to admit that there was anything else dirty about it like the fact that Rome left his feet (a clear charge) in order to drive his shoulder into Horton’s head. I can’t remember which one was reported as having said that, not like it matters.
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
The party line
in VAN was that it was not a headshot (Rome’s shoulder hit Horton’s chest, not head) and that it wasn’t late.
They must have their PR people in the locker room after games telling the players/coaches what to say to create a consistent message.
It's beyond that at this point
The douchebaggery on that team has become like an airborne virus that has spread to just about everyone in the locker room, save a few doomed souls. They don’t need to be coached on how to act like jackasses void of anything resembling integrity or sportsmanship, it just comes to them.
Yeah, and Torres hit on Seabs was clean
Because when you run that clip again in super slo – mo, you can see in the Zapruder – like actions that the hit was entirely legal and that Seabs should’ve had his head on a swivel.
I think there was a second hitter.
Torres was just a decoy.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I too subscribe to the second hitter theory
fact: Torres isn’t a male model, but those 2 lookers on the grassy knoll sure as shit were
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I lolled
And I thank you for that
Marcus Kruger? Sounds like one of them old time car horns, K-uger! K-uger!
by RobotToews on Jun 10, 2011 10:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Torres has already proven that
he loves to lead with the elbow. Didn’t he whiff on a hit like that in Game 3? He was about to unload on somebody behind the net but the Bruin ducked.
...drink your big black cow, and get out of here..."
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 10, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes indeed
and the announcers conveniently overlooked that action, even on the replay.
He got called on it in Game 3 (i think)
Foley or someone said something like “and there’s Torres again, not looking to do anything but injure”
I prob have the quote way wrong, but he was definitely called out for leading with the elbow
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by justforkicks on Jun 10, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
what's driven me crazy is the message that the suspension sucks
because Rome isn’t going to play in the finals and its his dream. Are we supposed to be sympathetic? He gave Horton a concussion and knocked him out of the Playoffs as well. Horton is the one who was screwed NOT Rome.
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by justforkicks on Jun 10, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you understand the current dynamic?
It’s like the old Phil Hartman/Frankenstein bit on SNL – “Bruins players baaaaad, Nuck players goooood!”
Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
DON’T CLICK THAT LINK!
The horror of having to look at them once is enough, that was too much!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 10, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
PFM for me got him as well
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 10, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I did badly on that quiz
someone on twitter suggested that the next thing that person should make is a “Don Cherry suit or Grandmother’s Couch?” hehe
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
C'mon Sam, lets get back to reality
I think we ought to put any fantasy of the Hawks swooping in and landing a sweet deal from the Flyer’s cap crunch to rest right now. There is a reason the Flyer’s are stuck in a salary cap pickle that makes last year’s Bowman Blowout Bash look like a neighborhood garage sale. The Flyers are stuck with even more cap-busting contracts than we are or were.
Coburn earns 3.2 mildo against the cap next year. Thats only 300,000 less than Hjalmarsson makes and at least 1 mildo more than Campoli will earn in 11-12, and I doubt Campoli was acquired as a rental.
Hartnell earns 4.2 million next season, yeah, no way.
Considering that Philly is going to want cap space not contracts, and Bowman needs cap friendly deals on NHL proven talent, the the Hawks and Flyers can consider themselves two teams who have nothing to offer to one another.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 10, 2011 2:19 AM CDT reply actions
There is another team with a cap crunch how has some interesting (and certainly more affordable) pieces to consider
The Penguins, expecting the return of Malkin and Crosby (and their gi-normous contracts) are gonig to have to move some pieces this offseason.
Primarily, If i were Stan, I’d be on the phone with Mario Lemeiux the second the Finals conclude, to find out exactly how interested the Pens are in keeping RFA Tyler Kennedy, I’d trade for his negotiating rights, hell, I’d even draft an offer sheet.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 10, 2011 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Anything you offer Kennedy that the Pens won't match would be in that same neighborhood anyway
And while a good, scrappy player, he doesn’t have the size Coburn or Hartnell does. Tyler Kennedy is Ben Smith maximized. As I said in a previous thread, the cap savings by letting Brouwer and Kopecky walk would allow for Hartnell, who does what they both do better.
If you really need cap breathing room, Hjalmarsson can still be dealt for cap friendly deals to places like Edmonton or Montreal, who only have 2 defensemen under contract at the moment
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What McClure said....
and Mario is the owner, Shero fils is the GM (isn’t he?).
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
another kid trying to fill daddy's shoes/shadow etc.
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Where's the Luocho Beachball pic???
I want it…
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jun 10, 2011 9:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wow, this guy is really dumb
Not incredibly surprised though, a GQ contributor writing about hockey (or any sport, really) makes about as much sense as Bernie Madoff writing about business ethics…
The Boston Bruins Vs. The World – Why everyone outside of Boston is rooting against the Bruins
Two things.
1. As far as I can tell, he’s a complete and utter moron.
2. What are you doing reading GQ?
That is all.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Point 2 is a perfectly fair question
Fortunately, I have a reasonable answer. Wysh posted it in yesterday’s Puck Headlines over at Yahoo! and I had to click on the link, regardless of the source, to figure out how someone could be so fucking stupid as to actually think that anyone outside of BC is rooting for the Canucks
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
He is so much a Boston Homer
He automatically thinks everyone just hates Boston (well I do, but I hate VAN much much more!). I’m having a tough time finding one Puck head rooting for the Nucks.
TOTAL One-Delta-Ten-Tango (1D10T)
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 10, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
is it too late
for the meteor?
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by cliffkoroll on Jun 10, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
This has been my wish all along.
I like Tim Thomas, but not enough to make this SCF at all palatable. My two most-hated NHL teams, playing for the championship. What a turd-fest.
I’m still cheering for Boston, but it makes me feel dirty.
Lidstrom seeking "motivation"
The Red Wings are in a heap of shit if he retires.
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You think so?
Why couldn’t they just use those unallocated millions to go after Weber? No doubt they’ll try hard to keep him, but that seems like a possibility.
I think Ehrhoff or Wiz are more likely.....and those mofo's aint no Nick Lidstrom.
I just cant fathom Nashville letting Weber get away.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
i hope Weber stays in Nashville
over at NM, someone said the SCF ratings were high in Nasville. I have no idea if that’s true, but if it is, perhaps genuine hockey interest is taking root there.
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by cliffkoroll on Jun 10, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
not to mention that if Weber went away
OTF would have to put Burton on suicide-watch.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
the price might be too steep for them...
Isn’t Weber a restricted free agent? He should command a salary north of $6.5 million. Detroit would have to give up two firsts, a second and a third-round draft pick if that’s the case.
I would LOVE to think that
but we also thought that when Yzerman retired, and when Federov left, and when the salary cap came into existence….
Fact is, they’ve made the postseason for 20 consecutive seasons. That’s fucking incredible. I’m not going to believe that they’re done until I actually see it
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I dont think anybody said they are done.
But losing maybe the best defenseman of all time who is still dam good is going to hurt any team. Sure, Rafalski dropped off but he was still serviceable in the offensive zone as well.
Unless the Wings swing Weber, their defense is going to suffer a drop-off. And as either McClure or Sam said, nobody was really that scared of their D last season anyways.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure I follow that logic
Their d wasn’t very good last year but we don’t want them to bring back the same d because then they’re going to suffer a drop-off.
The last thing any of us should be hoping for is Detroit suddenly being $18 million below the cap. I would much rather a third of their available space goes to a 44-year old d-man who’s only regressing.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 10, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
The lurking thought is that a certain dashin-looking Prince Edward Island native with a Conn Smythe to his name ends up there on some manner of textbook Hollandian deal.
BAD.
THINGS.
GO.
HAPPEN.
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That's a problem for America
After Richards told the Rangers he’s looking for upward of $7 mill/yr, we can only hope he’s decided to return to Tampa and not have some grandiose plans with Holland to sign with Detroit on July 1st.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 10, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It seems the Toronto talk has disappeared. Are they still an option?
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by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure
but it’s going to cost them significantly.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 10, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually think that’s a less nightmarish scenario than L.A. long-term.
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I’ll be afraid of L.A. when they give me a reason to.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 10, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Bu....bu...Eklund believes they will win the West next season.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
This will be what
the fourth year in a row people will be expecting them to take the next step? Wake me up when they replace whatever Murray is standing behind their bench with someone who knows what they’re doing and then I’ll worry about them.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jun 10, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Checkmated
I was thinking more that their depth on the back end wasn’t all that scary and I think anybody except Weber is a downgrade from Lidstrom. So overall, I think their defense suffers even with all that cap space because the FA pool really isn’t all that great.
The Richards idea scares the pants off me. I hope he’s in the East.
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by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
We'd all hate to see that, hun.
By which I mean you with your pants off.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Pshh, Im not a Congressman from New York
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by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
In other words...
There will be NO PICTURES when he removes them.
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A. Ladd visits Winnipeg...seems to like it there (in the summer)
www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/VIDEO-Andrew-Ladd-talks-to-media-123557234.html" >
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
summer, sure it's nice then
but 4 good days out if 365 doesn’t really help much…particularly since the hockey season is winter
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (it's taking longer than anticipated)
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Some will disagree with me,
But having lived there for many years, even those 4 days aren’t that great…
True due diligence for quality of life in Winnipeg is to stand on the corner of Portage and Main at noon on January 1 and see if you can take tolerate the wind and sleety snow blowing sideways into your nose and down your lungs for one minute…
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Yeah, the nightlife is awesome
Locals are very nice, though. Wait’ll he gets a load of their winters up there.
You never met a comment to which you could not reply fail.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
That's my thing
Don’t go all hatin’ on it, bro.
I know
I like the ribbing about it – gets funnier with each passing day.
It really does get funnier
as it becomes less explicable. I’m starting to equate it to Dunc putting his shots into shinpads — he knows he’s doing it, he doesn’t want to do it, and he just can’t help himself (’cept he sure changed that against the Canucks).
Really, though, it does make me chuckle every time. Not Dunc, but Waylon.
Wurrrd Uppp...
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Big game 5 tonight
I haven’t checked NM for ledge-jumping, but a lot of them (and their team) have to be on it.
Funny, even though the ’hawks win game 5 rather handily as I recall and I was really nervous, somehow I just knew that the ’hawks would find a way, especially the way they played the second half of a game 4 loss in Philly. I kinda doubt that the NM and VAN faithful feel that way after a 12-2 shellacking in BOS.
12-1
don’t give them anything extra.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
What time is it in Boston?
12 past Luongo.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
by HjammerTime on Jun 10, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think a lot of it is that
Van doesn’t seem to have the confidence that they can win no matter how deep a hole they’re in. They went down 4 goals in Game 3 and basically just quit on that game. Could you imagine the Hawks acting like that?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Absolutely on the button there.
I’ve noticed that too – they seem to lack the cajones to dig themselves out of a bad situation. I think because they’ve been up in every series up until now, it’s almost as if they have the attitude of, well, we’ll just beat ’em next game. Why waste the energy now? Raffi, go cheap shot somebody now.
Ice meets metal - won't you drive me down to the Big League.
by The Fearless Freep on Jun 10, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
They were down 3-0
in a game vs SJS and I think they won that game, but they were up in the series. This HAS to feel different.
BOS must come out strong in this game; first goal will be huge.
too soon to tell i think
i’m curious to see how vancouver responds to having their backs against the wall. every other series, they’ve been up 3-1 after four games.
they haven’t been truly pressed in a series yet, although the Hawks pushed them pretty good, and I gotta say, they responded pretty well then.
something tells me that if they do find themselves in a hole, they will respond with an urgency we haven’t seen yet. they are a very good hockey team after all.
We like our people!
Damn! This was meant as a reply
to Hjammertime’s “Quelle heure est-il?” joke.
You are next.
by M7 on Jun 10, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
7uongo is fun, yeah...
But, c’mon… Luocho is one better!
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Does anybody have that pic of LU cross-eyed?
Puck is in the air above him I think
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 10, 2011 3:48 PM CDT reply actions
Found a new pic of LU!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 10, 2011 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Is my Nucks-disgust tainting my view, or is there really a bias...
for the Nucks by the media in general? Several of the articles on the Yahoo NHL site are about how the Nucks are the way better team but the Bruins are bringing the Nucks down into the gutter with them. Kessler is getting “run” according to one headline, and the Sedins are being abused by all the slashes and whacks of the Bruins. On the telecast the other night, the commentators said that the Burrows and another Nuck had changed their game this season, getting rid of the foolish dirty play that got them into trouble. Now, the guy said, they were being dragged right back into the ditch. I take that as saying the Bruins are already there and the Nucks players are “better” than that.
Why is it that the biting, whining, diving, head-hunting, dirty play of the Nucks is the Bruins’ fault? That’s the way it’s being protrayed. There are several mentions of the “President’s Trophy winners” and what an amazing team they were. But now they’re somehow being sullied by the Bruins. It seems to me, other than Chara’s near-death hit during the regular season, the Nucks are the ones constantly embroiled in controversy from their dirty play. Why are they now the victims?
Or am I just being irrational here?
They whine, they dive, they pull hair, they bite. Ladies and gentlemen, the Vancouver Canucks!
Please, anyone but Vancouver. Please....
Meh
The Hawks dragged the Nucks into that ditch for a couple games, and it was not because that is how the Hawks play, it is VAN play finding its own level, Play dirty when the other team out plays you (since this is their natural state of being, you can only resist the natural force so long before it breaks through!)
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just about Hockey, it's Blackhawks Hockey!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 10, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't read much of the MSM
but the Nucks really did raise their level of play during the regular season. But that all went down the gutter during their series against us.
I don’t think anyone that’s watched all of the Nucks series can say that they’re playing like they did during the regular season. The MSM just needs an excuse/reasoning. And to be fair, from what I can tell, the Bruins aren’t the cleanest/angels either.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
They are definitely not playing the same way
I watched the majority of their regular season games too and the playoffs are definitely another beast for them. I also agree that neither team is acting like a bunch of professionals right now. The Van antics just seem to be getting more press.
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
this season
the Canucks were the third most penalized team in the league (ignoring fights). only montreal and pittsburgh were worse. this doesn’t surprise me.
Boston was the 7th least penalized team. This does surprise me a little.
The Hawks were the 2nd least penalized team, behind the Devils. This doesn’t surprise me.
The latest from NM says:
It was disheartening to see Alex Burrows, Ryan Kesler and others losing their cool to the Chicago-style trolling of the Bruins.
This attitude doesn’t surprise me. Also, this:
Don’t get sucked into retaliation penalties. Don’t try to embellish, there’s enough dirty play from the Bruins that they won’t need to.
Reading between the lines, I interpret this as: “No need to dive fellas. At least not against the Bruins.”
In sum, I don’t think yu’re being irrational Preacher.
We like our people!
Every time I read that kind of comment
I make the mistake of asking the poster to please detail in exact terms what Hawks’ players were doing when they were allegedly trolling. Nothing of any substance comes back, just invective and fantasy – land tinfoil hattisms.
Well, if you're trolling "Yahoo NHL" they are pretty much led by Wysh - who is an unabashed Nuck's lover.
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I'm playing a drinking game tonight
Called “take a swig every time a canuck dives”. If you guys never hear from me again, now you know why
by FrankStallone on Jun 10, 2011 4:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Per NM this afternoon: We are still in their heads...
“It was disheartening to see Alex Burrows, Ryan Kesler and others losing their cool to the Chicago-style trolling of the Bruins. ”
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jun 10, 2011 4:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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