Our Day At Prospects Camp
by SamFels on Jul 11, 2011 4:46 PM CDT
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Because Killion has recently joined me under the heading of "Having a totally awesome job that leaves my weekdays free for the most part", the two of us decided to jaunt on down to Johnny's today to catch the last day of Prospects Camp. There's always something odd about spending a steamy, July morning (calm down) heading into a heavily air-conditioned building to watch hockey. And not even a real game. Mostly it's a bunch of kids we won't ever hear from again trying to impress coaches we don't know while the real coach signs autographs in the stands as you're surrounded by some people you definitely head to the other side of the bar from (myself at the very top of the list). But whatever, better than doing nothing, right?
I'd love to sit here and try and sound like an expert and proclaim that some kid stood out over everyone else and will soon be cracking TJ Oshie's skull in the corners of the DrinkScotch Center. But I didn't see any of that. As you might expect, these events are a pretty disjointed affair as these kids have barely been together for a weekend and have only been doing drills together for the most part. Maybe that's why the Hawks had a couple of sets of brothers, as they might have a built-in rapport (though that didn't really work with the Hayes Bros. today). Anyway...
-Dylan Olsen was the most composed, but he should be. He's been in Rockford for a half-season. And he still took a pretty stiff right from Andrew Shaw. And I love fights in this setting, where the guys give each other a helmet-tap after they're done. If you have so much respect for each other, why are you punching each other? One of those hockey anti-logic things that we don't question and is pretty damn funny when you think about it. Also, Olsen needs a bit more speed, he got caught lagging a couple times.
-Joe Lavin also looks pretty smooth, but it seems to already be an awfully crowded blue line down at Rock Vegas with Olsen, Shawn Lalonde, Brian Connelly, and Ryan Stanton all requiring minutes and probably another veteran coming in to show the way.
-Jimmy Hayes is a very large boy, and not afraid to "try shit" with the puck. He's got some ways to go, but I imagine the Hawks are salivating about that size.
-Didn't notice Byron Froese at all.
-Philip Danault clearly has the brain, he was everywhere he was supposed to be. Looked pretty small though, will need to spend some time in the gym.
-Don't sit on a hot stove waiting for Mark McNeill to make his business address 1901 W. Madison.
-Maybe my scout's eye sucks, and it probably does, but the two guys I noticed the most were non-drafted invitees. I know, they have to be, as they have to work harder than everyone else to just get a mention. But both Killion and I enjoyed watching the diminutive Stevie Moses (and tell me that's not a great name to say, almost as good as Tobin Heath) skate his ass off today. He's generously listed at 5-9, which if true means McClure should have played college basketball at center. We'll probably never see him again or hear his name (and with that name that's a crying shame), but he capped off his camp with a nifty tip-in for a goal. He's got one year at UNH left where he's probably nothing more than a second or third liner, but I'll be following. The other player I took notice of was Terry Broadhurst, part of the Orland Park brothers. He's even worse off than Moses, as he's already 22 to Moses's 21. But a lot of plays seemed to start with him, and he showed an eye for a pass. It's hard to make anything of these kind of things, and everyone is in varying states of shape. But whatever, none of this matters for this season.
-Oh, and Stan Bowman talked. They're "hopeful" on Frolik and Campoli, which means they aren't all that close and will have to wait on the hearing for Camps and for Frolik's agent to to comeback from Planet Nutbar in negotiations, I'm guess. Olesz won't be bought out, and it sounds like Kruger is going to get every chance. I've actually become fine with this. If there's truly no option out there that Bowman likes -- and there may or may not be but at least he's learned to ot announce such things -- then it makes sense to try a kid he clearly believes in. The Hawks season will not capsize if Kruger starts on the 4th line or wherever or not, and if he doesn't work there's plenty of time and flexibility to find other solutions that weren't available in the summer.
And Rob Klinkhammer re-signed. So we can keep saying Klinkhammer.
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Scored the first goal of the day
if I remember correctly.
by transienthawk on Jul 11, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Saad played on the line with mcneil
Pretty good, did well on the PP too.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jul 11, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I truly hope people realize what a steal Stalberg is at $875K
But, I am a fan of his so I guess my opinion is a bit distorted. Socially distorted. Man, Social Distortion would be a great name for a band…
Yeah, second that
All I got is bad, bad luck. Always scratchin’ at the 8-ball…
www.secondcityhockey.com
www.anfieldasylum.com
Prison bound indeed. Wait, did I say prison bound?
I was wrong.
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klinkhammer!
klinkhammer klinkhammer klinkhammer! :D such a fun name to say.
and I wanted to point out that today’s picture actually comes from pointmesouth’s fanpost, where she posted pictures from day 2 of prospect camp.
man, people with nice camera and photography skills. My photography skills range from “point & shoot” to “just keep pressing the button, surely one of them won’t be blurry” :)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Even with the nice camera and photo skills, your second skill is a must!
Second City Hockey's resident arrogant poster.
not a "prospect" anymore
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Disappointed
Im disappointed we are not going after a 2C. I would trade Olesz, Stalberg, (insert any 3 line guy) and a few draft picks for someone like Dubs.
IMHO the only way SB does anthing now is if his new acquisitions don’t pan out.
(insert any 3 line guy)
Um, Bolland? Yeah, toss him in there.
Question: How will SB know if his his new acquisitions pan out before the season starts?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 11, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't refereing to Bolland. Davey is second line material!
And as for SB, I should have been more clear. I meant he’s going in with what he has now and he makes a move before the trade deadline if things aren’t working.
I’m just starting to follow the Hawks like a used to 20 years ago.
I think the Hawks would be Cup bound if they got Dubs or someone similar but I could be wrong. Just like my kids tell me everyday.
by Gump Worsley on Jul 11, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
They need one more piece – and good health – to put them over the top.
And sorry for my tone. I had just finished reading a Bleacher Report article and was stuck in “attack” mode.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 11, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
D would definitely need to be traded before they even think
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Because of that notion that they might not be able to sign him.
Other than that, I see no real reason to do so.
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So I am finished moving into my new home (well stuff is here........in boxes)
Got my internet aghhhhhhhhh DSL = bad to no streaming of Hawks games (<2MBS)
Cable came today, FUUUUUUUUUCK, No Vs. Or NHL Network
FML, I need to unfuck this shitty situation FAST!
Anyways, Cubs suck, still, can’t wait for October and at least the ceiling has not caved in on the Hawks!
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just Blackhawks Hockey, it's bashing the Canucks too!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 11, 2011 6:30 PM CDT reply actions
Who is your provider?
I just moved to the “mecca” of civilization (St. Louis)…and I’ve got surprisingly awesome internet and VS network from Charter.
Metrocast (New London CT)
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just Blackhawks Hockey, it's bashing the Canucks too!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 11, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ewww...
That is all…If you were further south on the coast Cox is pretty legit, but I don’t think they go up past DC. Are you military by chance?
Yes
Senior Chief Submarine Sonarman
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just Blackhawks Hockey, it's bashing the Canucks too!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 11, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I am going on 15
Might as well finish the 20 at this point. One more sea tour, and I’ll be done.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just Blackhawks Hockey, it's bashing the Canucks too!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 11, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I was in for 5
the advancement to first for AT was consistantly lower than 5%.I decided to pack the bags up and head to school.
Trust me
I know the feeling! lol Ours was not that low, but rarely higher than 12-15%.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 11, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Good gracious
I had heard sub rates were pretty open. On the bright side, GM was like 90 some percent last cycle lol.
The REAL bright side in all of this....
He doesn’t live in St. Louis.
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I search for K Dog and got this
http://www.bustedmugshots.com/ohio/columbus/kevin-michael-king-dogan/6763892
When did you move from Ohio?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 11, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
haha! I'm BUSTED!!
Well, I never actually lived in Ohio. Last year I took a trip out there to visit Big C and we went on one of his classic drunken adventures. Needless to say, it didn’t turn out very well.
Let's Go Hawks!
is that why BigC hasn't been around?
you left him in the jail when you ran? ;)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
I just spent 45 minutes screwing around with that website.
And I STILL havent been arrested.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 11, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone give me the Heimlich
I just actually read a Bleacher Report article. Fuck, you guys weren’t kidding about how awful that site is.
I’m not gonna link to it, but the article was about grading the free agent signings. The writer should have written under each player, “I know very little about hockey and even less about this player.”
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 11, 2011 6:48 PM CDT reply actions
I saw you post that earlier in the thread, and almost replied with:
Why in the fuck would you do that to yourself? Come off the ledge man, put the gun down, and step away from the pile of pills and bottles.
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I've always wondered about the Hawks gear...
…these kids are all wearing the official pants and their gloves and helmets are all Hawks colors. Do they buy new kit for all incoming invitees and then let them abscond with it after camp is over? Seems like an awfully expensive proposition for the organization.
eh, considering im sure their stuff
isn’t costing 100$ a pop for them its rather cheap.
Im guessing they get their jerseys/equipment for slightly over cost if not at cost since its free advertising for the companies. Id assume reebok (they do the jerseys now days yeah?) are more worried about keeping the license/contract to sell these to the public more than they are worried about making profit on the teams.
And boy do they make profit on us...
/looks at 300 some odd dollar Crawford jersey…
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
A couple of years ago
I went to the Hawkquarters downtown store and they had a lot of the sweaters these guys wore in a big laundry bin for sale. They only had numbers, no names. Different colors to I suppose to represent position, etc. One could be had for about $40 if I’m not mistaken.
But that was before they won the Cup.
There are two types of people in this world - those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.
by The Fearless Freep on Jul 12, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
as far as the different colors go
colors are probably more likely to represent line combinations than position groups
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That's like after a cock fight...
…we all get to eat the loser.
Or buy their cheap jerseys in this case.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
To be honest
He wasn’t super impressive, and in my eyes to make the opening night roster at 18 y/o you have to be super impressive in the prospect camp to just be noticed when you start playing with nhl players. Not to say he wasn’t good, he was, just not “oh wow” type of good.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jul 11, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not really surprised, to be honest
I figured that McNeill would be headed back to the juniors to season his game. I thought that this be th case not only because of his age, but because I don’t think that he’s even ever faced the best possible junior competition in the WHL. WHL prospects never seem to be as strong as QMJHL or OHL prospects.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jul 11, 2011 7:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think
It’s normally the QMJHL prospects that are considered to come from the weaker league. The WHL has the most draftees of any league in the world pretty much every season.
Yes, the QMJHL historically is the weaker of the three leagues
In the past 2 years, the QMJHL has caught up in the number of draft selections, but for the most part its OHL, WHL and then the QMJHL.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 11, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say the talent level between O and the W are basically a wash.
With the Q slightly behind. The OHL is kind of ridiculous in the fact that a team can have a “6 game road-trip” and spend every night in their own bed (due to proximity between teams). Try that in the Dub with a Portland-to-Brandon trip (no planes either). In guess what I’m saying is that a lot of the western league players are a little more up to the rigors of the pro-hockey game having been used to excessive travel since the age of 16…
You are next.
The W
Is a more defensive league though. There’s about a 0.5 Goal/G differential on the teams in the W compared to the O
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
And the Q is less defensive still … where our Corey sharpened his skills, getting shelled night in night out.
www.mjt.org
The Q is known for producing some of the best goalies though
perhaps this is the reason?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 12, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Makes sense to me
If you take a guy who can succeed with no kinda defense in front of him, and then put an NHL caliber d-corps in front of the guy he aughta succeed.
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
The follow up comments about goal differential and goaltending...
… are good ones by Semi and Chiko (respectively). Without question, I would say the free-flowing style of the Q prepares goalies nicely. To piggy-back off of Semi’s comment a little bit – I think the defensive systems approach of the Dub, along with the travel rigors make a lot of their players “pro-ready” a little sooner. perhaps that’s why their draft record is where it is.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 12, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think many were expecting him to make an appearance next season
I was more wondering what the evaluation was looking at him as a guy who might come in a few years from now.
Dissapointed about Froese...
I know a guy from the service that knows him, and says he’s a real good, down to earth kid.
First player blog?
Maybe more risky than a cross ice pass:
http://www.duncankeith.com/
The ghosting Flyer (Hartnell?) in the background
is creeping me out.
Is it a blog, or just his official website, like all the ones listed at the bottom of nhl.com?
by transienthawk on Jul 11, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
looks like an official website
to me
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 11, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
looks like an official website
to me
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 11, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh DK, why??
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 11, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
and of course i fucked up what was already lame joke
DK and why
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 11, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
I got counted as a “failure” I don’t think I failed anything.
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
Im surprised the light from the computer screen doesn't make his head explode.
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I've seen FiveNineGroup on almost all of the NHL player's sites
Nice racket they’ve got going there.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 12, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Are all there clients promised a "cutting edge" logo?
D…oh wait a minute, is that a K too? It’s like coming right out of the D.
How about I S or is it one eight?
With that kind of creativity, it’s no surprise NHL players are getting in line.
Well a person can work up a mean mean thirst
after a hard day of nothing much at all.
Here's a question
Why list all these guys, but not have them as options in the poll?
Were I a Canuck fan, I’d probably proclaim that it was a conspiracy to keep Blackhawk players off the actual voting list. No Savard and no Hull?
Weak sauce, NHL. Weak.
that was a weak poll
they didn’t even list all the names on their all-time favs. I voted other
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
So will
Campoli and Froh be at the drunken sex romp, I mean, Blackhawks convention this weekend?
do a lot of players usually show? according to the Hawks website
Blackhawks Hall-of-Famers and Team Ambassadors Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita, Tony Esposito and Denis Savard, General Manager Stan Bowman, Head Coach Joel Quenneville and players Jonathan Toews, Duncan Keith and Patrick Kane are all scheduled to appear.
Who from here is going? Would love to hear about how it goes and any fun stories!
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 11, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I stopped going if I can't get the package of hotel.
It sells out so fast and I hate the commute there everyday. Hope their are some good stories and pics to whoever goes
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
I hope so too. Don't think I'll ever make it out there, but love to hear about how it went
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 12, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
apparently no
the Hawks posted a list of the players & alumni that’ll be there.
If you go, I recommend looking at the schedule, deciding which room has the majority of the panels you want to go to, then staying in that one room for most of the day. The panels are the best part, in my opinion.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
I'm sad because I can't go this year
and of course, Panda will be there this year. sigh.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Greg Gilbert is scary looking.
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hmm he looks normal to me
Sean O’Donnell’s face looks super smushed, IMO.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Toews pissed about not playing in Winnipeg.....plays golf in sandals.
http://www.winnipegsun.com/2011/07/11/it-sucks-toews
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OMG!!!
Toews admits he doesn’t care about some games!!!!!
"There are some games here and there that you might have marked on your calendar. It’s the first time getting to play the Winnipeg Jets, so you definitely want to show up for that one."
We like our people!
trade him!
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jul 12, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
J. Toews: Stan fan...
"The guys are going to come back so rejuvenated and excited for this year. With the new guys we’ve added, we’ve got that depth, that toughness and the character, on and off the ice, that we need in the locker room, to be champions again.
"We’ve got all the skill in the world and that’s pretty much all we needed to add."
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
He'd never admit,
but with new veteran blood, the interview time and “leadership” tasks Toews nearly carried himself last year are going to be more spread around this year
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Wings were a finalist for Tomas Vokoun
The other day I said it was impossible to think he would go somewhere to split time…I was definitely wrong. Also, thank goodness he didn’t go there.
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Good thing Holland forgot his magic wand the day Vokoun signed.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
No kidding
That would’ve definitely been the major downer for the upcoming season.
If your on Twitter, you can watch Cheer The Anthem melt down in real time over realignment.
Im fairly certain he is going to personally threaten Bettman Chris Chelios style here pretty soon.
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Well I don't really blame him if Wild owner Craig Leipold isn't just blowing smoke
Leipold is basically inferring that the Red Wings are going to be moving to the eastern conference for the 2012-’13 season: Link
You can count me among the people who would be incredibly pissed off were this to happen. Not only would that completely fuck the ’Hawks-Wings rivalry, but it would ensure a MASSIVE drop in western conference teams ever having their games broadcast nationally.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
No Blues in the divison, either.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jul 12, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
It would totally fuck up hockey as we know it.
I dont want anything to do with the fucking Dallas Stars 6 times a year. Its a fake hockey team. Splitting up the Red Wings-Blackhawks and Blues would be a fucking disaster.
Jets-Wild-Blues-Blackhawks-Red Wings should be the new Central division. I hope (and assume) that Rocky will fight this tooth and nail.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention the fact that it would also put the Blues in a different division
albeit still in the western conference. But yeah, great, go ahead and completely fuck up the 2 best rivalries for one of the original 6 teams – great fucking business plan
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
5 Original 6 teams in the East is very, very stupid.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that why Detroit was put in the West to begin with?
So the Hawks wouldn’t be the only Original Six team in the conference?
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jul 12, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
stupid move indeed
can’t say much else, doesn’t even say where the blues would go
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
100% agree
Despite the fact that, top-to-bottom, the western conference has been better and more competitive than the eastern conference for the last few seasons, NBC still likes to mostly ignore the fact that the western conference exists and instead broadcast games almost exclusively featuring eastern conference teams. If the Wings moved to the east it would only compound that idiocy even further.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Hawks-Canucks games would be the only ones ever broadcast on NBC
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think a Hawks-Nucks game has EVER been on NBC
I think they’ve only been on Versus in the playoffs.
They will if the Red Wings move.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
somehow...I doubt that (with no proof)
They would wait till we play the wings or sharks before they show us against those fuckers
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
Considering how much shit NBC would take for not broadcasting ANY WC games
they’d probably broadcast a ’Hawks-Nucks game or 2 to make up for the loss of 5 of the 6 games they could have potentially broadcast between the ’Hawks and the Red Wings
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
NBC won't air games featuring Canadian teams
Canadian markets don’t count toward viewership numbers. They’ll air Hawks games against Eastern Conference teams.
Good point
the only way that any other WC teams would ever have a game broadcast on NBC would be a Sharks, Ducks, or Kings game versus either the ‘Hawks or an EC team on Saturday or Sunday afternoon so that the time difference between east and west coast won’t be as restrictive as it would for a regular night game
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
They might be airing 1 this year. The Van-Bos game in Boston this year is on a Sunday at 1EST, which is normal NBC time, right?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
It's possible, but further analysis says not likely
There are a few things to keep in mind:
1) The currently-listed start times for the games are meaningless as while the dates won’t change the times certainly can. If 2 teams are scheduled to play on a Sunday afternoon or evening and NBC wants to make that game their national broadcast game the start time will be moved up. That decision, I believe, is made no more than a few weeks beforehand. The ’Hawks-Caps game this past season that was broadcast nationally on NBC was originally scheduled to start at 4PM EST before NBC bumped it up to noon.
2) NBC airs a game of the week on Sundays, not on Saturdays (which is when the Bruins-Canucks game is scheduled for), and those games are generally scheduled at either 12 or 12:30 EST. They occasionally also show games on Saturday afternoons, those games usually have start times of around 3PM
2) NBC doesn’t usually start doing those weekend afternoon national broadcasts until after the NFL season ends, the weekend of the Bruins-Canucks game is the same as the first weekend of the NFL playoffs. This makes it even LESS likely because during the playoffs the NFL plays on both Saturdays and Sundays and I doubt that NBC really wants to put hockey up against playoff football, especially considering that the Winter Classic – a much more marquee game – is being bumped to Monday the 2nd so that it doesn’t have to compete with the final Sunday of regular season NFL games.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Read the schedule wrong then
Thought it was on a Sunday. That was the only thing I had
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The original stupid move
was having Eastern and Western Conferences.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 12, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean as in
we really didn’t need no stinkin’ teams in places like Philly, Pittsburg, Minn, StL, LA and Vancouver? Six teams was plenty?
No, I think he means as in
the conferences should have never been determined geographically in the first place.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, this
A good compromise IMO would have been to place the team geographically in Divisions, but then spread out the Conferences.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 12, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
100% agree
divisions determined geographically but conferences that stretch coast to coast like the NFL or the MLB would, IMO, be ideal.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
THANK YOU!!!!
Since potential new fans won’t understand the history of the league, rather than encourage them to learn it, let’s just dumb-down and cookie-cutter our league.
Fuck you, Bettman.
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oh yeah
high barriers for entrance to participation is exactly how to grow a sport that’s fighting to be the 4th most popular sport in America.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
I (for one) appreciated the history and tradition of the sport
far more than the new way…
“Oh, I get it… Detroit, Columbus and Chicago are in the Western Conference with all the actual Western teams.”
They could have renamed the Conferences “Leagues” ala MLB, and it would have allowed the sport to keep the traditions and history.
Eastern/Western is just so generic, and when most Americans (that they were trying to attract) automatically put the East/West dividing line at the Mississippi River, our Conference alignment fails even further.
I don’t know why the teams would need to be divided into Eastern and Western in order for people to understand that there are two Conferences, which contain Divisions, which contain Teams that play hockey against each other.
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it's because people are, generally, idiots
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington-Pittsburgh
THE GREATEST RIVALRY EVER!!!
Otherwise known as “Let’s you and him fight”
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Nothing....NOTHING
Says hockey like DC versus Pitt. That is some major shinny there.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
I figured by now Bettman
would pitch Lightning-Panthers in a virtual outdoor rink at Epcot.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 13, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
How about
The cities of the next two Superbowl teams play in the next Winter Classic, but to make it more interesting, the ‘hockey’ players have to play in inflatable Sumo Wrestler suits….and the ‘puck’ is an incorrigible jack russell terrier that is up for adoption at the local pound (but boy does that dog have spunk…and moxie!) This game is to be preceded by the Dominican Republic playing Jamaica in the finals of their developmental Broom Hockey league.
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
by hairhelmet on Jul 14, 2011 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would be pretty pissed losing those to rivalries
talking about 2 teams i hate but love watching the hawks play. Come on, it’s bad enough I have to see CBJ 6x a year, now add minny and the jets
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Why would Minny think this would be a slam dunk for them?
Craig Leipold showed a bit of its hand on Tuesday on KFAN radio in Minneapolis. He said Minnesota’s division would include “the Winnipeg Jets, us, the Blues, the Nashville Predators, the Dallas Stars, Chicago Blackhawks and maybe the Columbus Blue Jackets — maybe not, depending on which way they would go, east or west. So that’s the only team that would probably be up in the air. I am all in favor for that. That is a grand slam, home run, hat trick for our team.”
Is it October yet?
The one way in which I see that as a "slam dunk" for Minnesota
is that Columbus is the only team listed there (and listed as a “maybe” at that) that is not in the central time zone, and all of the teams except arguably Dallas are a fair amount closer travel-wise for them than Vancouver, Calgary, or Edmonton
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
..not so sure this is a bad deal for Hawks
yeah I get the detoilet rivalry but let this old timers team go get bludgeoned by the more physical teams and come limping into the U nited Center for the playoffs. I think we underestimate the Hawks marquee value I think they’ve become a pretty good draw for TV and their players are very popular now. If Wash faulters again Ovies old news, Crosby may still have bats in his belfry or could have his bell rung again and be out for a good part of the season or rendered ineffecive ala Lindros. As I said deloilet is getting old and Zett & Datsyuk have been taking a beating. Boston is kinda vanilla. I think we have some of the most exciting YOUNG players in the league. Kaner, Toewes, Keith and Seabs. Throw in Sharp,Hossa and Crawford this is a very marketable team just off a championship. I think the league wants the Hawks to be a main attraction.
I think the NHL is trying to make sure..
the Hawks have a main seat in the playoffs . I think they sweated out, like we did, the thought of Hawks missing the dance and want to try and avoid that ever happening again. Too many marketable players on our roster . They need the Hawks in the mix
Are you sure
You aren’t a closet Canucks fan?
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positive I'm not
all I’m saying is this could benefit the Hawks long term. Rivalries are nice but it doesnt win championships. I’ve spent my whole life enjoying the Hawks rivalries , now I want to watch championships. Most championships require some breaks or good bounces along the way. I think this is a good bounce for the Hawks as far as winning more cups and complaining about the loss of rivalries well just seems silly to me if this move helps the Hawks in the playoffs. Just my opinion
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Mike Ilitch gets what he wants
The Columbus Blue Jackets can sit and spin. End of story.
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Good pickup for Anaheim
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As per oil twitter, cogliano to ducks for 2nd.
Those guys are tough to play against.
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I read that. What’s Edmonton doing? I don’t get that trade from their end. From Anaheim, ya, but Edm isn’t good right now, and they trade a roster player for something that’ll essetially be five years away at best.
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Edmonton is pretty deep down the middle...Horcoff-Belanger-Gagner and I think Eberle is a natural Center as well.
I still dont get it either however, Cogs is a good young Center. Great move for the Ducks, whose depth is really the only thing holding them back from being a really good hockey team. I think their defense is shaping up and is only a few years away from being really dam good.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
The Ducks are gonna be fucking scary very soon.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I tend to agree. They are already a tough bunch and now they look like they are adding some skill and depth.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree. I think the trade itself is somewhat understandable considering their depth at the position, but it seems to me that dangling a guy like Cogliano could have had teams pitching more than just a draft pick, and one in 2013!
Damn Ducks. I wonder if Selanne’s decision, or lack of one, had anything to do with the trade.
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So most of us won't have smoke blown up our ass
about Kruger being the second coming of Toews. It’s clear he’s not that. But if he settles into this hybrid 4th line center role, maybe Marcel Goc is a solid comparison?
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
Radical Suggestion for Conferences
I’m fully aware that this will never be adapted, but here’s a thought – if the NHL is intent on continuing to define conferences geographically, why not do north and south instead of east and west? It could be separated like this:
North: ’Hawks, Wings, Bruins, Wild, Devils, Islanders, Rangers, Sabres, Senators, Canadiens, Maple Leafs, Flames, Jets, Cannots
South: Panthers, Lightning, Hurricanes, Caps, Pens, Flyers, Blues, Predators, Blue Jackets, Avalanche, Stars, Coyotes, Kings, Ducks, Sharks
It’s obviously not perfect – the fact that the Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and (to a lesser extent) Columbus would be in the “Southern” conferences is kinda silly, but as far as I can see it’s really the only way to have the conferences continue to be defined geographically while eliminated the unfair balance of overall travel between the conferences. Thoughts? (and yes, as I said above, I realize that this would never actually happen, I’m just daydreaming about a solution that doesn’t fuck up the ’Hawks-Wings rivalry)
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Wouldn't this involve way too much traveling?
Isn’t that what they are trying to steer away from?
Is it October yet?
Yeah, the complaint is about a lot of traveling
but it’s rooted in the fact that teams in the eastern conference don’t have to travel anywhere near as much as western conference teams do over the course of an entire season. My suggestion would more or less even it out so that teams would travel about the same amount regardless of which conference they play in. Does it solve every problem? Not even close, but it does remove that striking disparity that I believe is really at the root of the problem.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
wouldn't there also be a TV issue?
you would regularly have teams from the pacific time zone playing on the east coast, making for early start times (or very late start times, depending on where the game is). I’m guessing that would lead to lower ratings
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 12, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking this.
Having four time zones in each conference would upset team and TV execs alike.
Not to mention all the fans in the east bitching about more games starting later.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jul 12, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That's when I defer to my personal motto
fuck ’em
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
That motto doesn’t work too well when trying to get new TV deals
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Not a problem
there’s already a broadcast deal in place for the next 10 years, so that problem isn’t ours, it’s future-us’s problem and fuck those guys
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im with Frank.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Me too
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
have you considered a career in public service?
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by cliffkoroll on Jul 12, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
No, however I do have a lawsuit in the works
against our elected officials for stealing my ideas
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
To partially quote a great man:
Sometimes, I wish we could saw off the eastern seaboard and let it float out to sea….
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Toss in Cali
and you have my sword
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RE: Traveling
You bastards make MILLIONS of dollars. I dont give a shit if you have to alter your sleep schedule. I know people who travel 5 days a fucking week and dont get paid even $60,000. God I hate Detroit and Vancouver for being such whiny fuckbags about this kind of stuff.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 12, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't care about their travel schedule
But I also don’t want half of my team’s games to start at 9 PM.
See above...
Repeat…
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by Saskjet on Jul 12, 2011 12:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
BUT THOSE ARE THE BEST GAMES
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Those games sucked as a kid, cuz I never got to see them
Now when I see a 9pm start on the schedule, I think “dammit….oh wait, I’m in college. I don’t have to wake up until noon.”
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 12, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, my thought process is more like
“dammit, I need to wake up at 6AM tomorrow. Ah fuck it, I know I’ll watch it anyways”
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS... Although I typically have to be AT work by 6 AM.
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Horrid. I dont wake up until 8:20......and no Im not on welfare.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
comparisons to people that have normal jobs
should just stop already. Athletes haven’t been normal working folk for decades, and it’s only getting further away from that point.
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it's great being a New York based team
for example, someone that plays with the Rangers, Islanders or Devils will theoretically have to only play 29 games outside the metropolitan area. And it’s not like Philly isn’t only a 90 minute drive from the city…
I really think that splitting up the New York teams into different divisions should be done.
No way, you can't do that
look how poorly it’s worked the the Mets and Yankees, or with the Giants and Jets! The NFL and MLB are clearly bleeding money because of that!
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It's great from the travel perspective
but I seem to recall someone showing that the teams that have to travel,generally, do better.
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Do better in what?
Playoffs or regular season? I don’t think I’ve seen any data on that, but my gut thinks it’s wrong. This year was the first time there were 2 PST teams in the WCF – I think almost every other year there’s been one CST/central North America team in there
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Better against the teams who don't have to travel as much
I’d say the West W/L ratio vs the East last year would lend some credence to that… or I’m a crackpot
/shrug
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Yeah
I’d be willing to bet the longer travel is just correlated with the better teams, not a cause of it
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Yeah, we get it
We just don’t want to.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 12, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
already have plenty of timezone issues
this at least spreads the burden of the time zone issues more evenly around the league
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking as a West Coast fan
I’m very grateful the current alignment allows me to see a good number of games during prime time in the Pacific Time Zone.
The Sharks spend pretty much all of February on a month-long road trip as the Shark Tank is hosting the Sybase Open. This means for huge chunks of the month, the Sharks are back east, and games start at 4:30 Pacific. With most people in Silicon Valley working until 5 or 6, this obviously makes catching games a bit challenging.
The NFL can get away with having conferences stretch the country because games are always on Sunday. I think the NHL needs to continue to foster as many games as possible in prime time and in the time zone.
The Sharks obviously don’t have it as bad as Dallas, who up till now had NO ONE in their time zone, but every little bit helps. There’s always a lot of “what ifs” when it comes to whether or not a team in a non-traditional market will survive, and I think, for the Sharks, one of the reasons they’ve enjoyed success is that the fans in the area CAN watch most of the 82 game regular season.
There’s obviously a ton of arguments for the differing schemes, and it’s hard to say which is more important, but I have to argue for a more geographic/time zone friendly alignment.
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I get your point, but the "more geographic/time zone friendly alignment"
based on the dynamics of the league as it exists are really only mostly friendly to the West Coast. It’s just a matter of geography in that case.
If a game starts on the West Coast at 7 pm, that game is starting at 9 Central and 10 Eastern. Almost completely not likely to allow most people in those zones to watch them, as a game that begins at 9 or 10 is not going to be over with before most people should be asleep so they can get up and go to work the next morning.
If a game starts at 7 pm Central time, it begins at 5 pm Pacific. Granted, that’s “drive home from work” time, but you can get home, watch the rest of the game, and still have plenty of time remaining that evening for other activities.
I too loved the scheduling of games for the most part, while I was living out in Seattle during the last season. It was awesome. now that i am back East again, I know that any games that are on television and being played on the West Coast will mean very late nights if I want to watch them.
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As an aside,
I think this time zone issue is one of the reasons the West has a better record against the East. Because there are relatively fewer East Coast fans watching later-starting road games, the East coast team has less fan support over the airwaves or cable’s coaxial radio frequency and the team’s performance suffers accordingly.
I think McGill University did a study of this and determined that the problem has worsened as more games have moved from broadcast to cable. I would provide a link to the study but it was destroyed during a riot after an overtime Canadiens loss somewhere on the West Coast.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 13, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
well done sir
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised that all of the Canadian teams' respective cities have not been relocated to the Pacific time zone yet.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 13, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Canadiens rioting...?
Like THAT could ever happen.
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As a former West Coaster
and a life-long baseball fan, let me tell you, there is nothing more personally offensive or annoying as missing the first half of your local team’s game because whoever was in charge decided to cater to East Coasters.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
I don't think anyone
should be catered to. As an AZ resident, Pac time, I tend to miss the start of a lot of Hawks games cause I’m still at work. This causes me to not feel too much sympathy for folks having to stay up late when games are played out here in the actual west. Because I can choose to stay up late to watch a game, I can’t walk out of work (Uncle Sam’s big on duty hours) to make sure I don’t miss the beginning of a game.
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more than that
people who want to watch their team play can take a nap when they get home, get up, do some stuff with their families and then watch the game in it’s entirety, so they’re not out too many sleep hours. I’ve got a friend that goes into work super early in the morning and that’s what she does when the Hawks are out West. Not ideal, but unlike “well just miss half the game” for West Coasters strategy, it does let her see the entire game.
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if you can catch up by the end of the game, it’s satisfying, plus it saves lots of time.
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by cliffkoroll on Jul 14, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
You're still thinking about it in a very selfish manner
the idea that someone can go home from work, nap for 3 hours, watch the game, and then sleep for a few more hours and be fine is ridiculous. First of all, that runs entirely counter to how the human body works in terms of sleep needs, it may work for your friend but that doesn’t mean it works for many others. Second, a lot of people have responsibilities like, say, caring for children, that can easily coincide with watching a hockey game but not so much with napping.
The much better options are for west coasters to DVR the beginning of the game and watch it time-delayed – this way you can fast forward through the commercials and intermissions, which is actually pretty nice – or if you don’t have a DVR listen to the first half of the game on the radio and then watch the second half when you get home – not ideal, I get it, but at least you miss the beginning of the game but get to see the end which is better than seeing the beginning of the game but missing the end which is what your idea forces a lot of east coasters to do.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Talking about missing BASEBALL games that start a little early is pretty pointless here
not because it’s baseball and this is a hockey board, but because many people that post here are Cubs fans who are very used to the majority of their favorite team’s home games starting at 1 in the afternoon while they’re at work thus causing them to miss the entire game, not just the beginning of it.
I get your point about it sucking when the game starts an hour before you get home, but at least you’ll still get to see the 2nd and 3rd periods, that’s better than the east coaster who’s watching his or her team play a game on the west coast that starts at 10PM EST and not being able to stay up late enough to watch it all of the way through. Think about, if you’ve got to miss part of the game, would you rather have to miss watching the 1st period or the 3rd period? ’Nuff said
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Question.
Are we supposed to be anxiously awaiting anything?
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
October 7th
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought a big trade was to happen?
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
Well aren't we all still waiting on pins and needles
for the announcement of Stamkos’s new contract?
Is it October yet?
What's on Sept 17th?
I mean I’ll be at Sept 17th… assuming nothing dire happens, but where in particular are you asking about?
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the training camp festival
I didn’t go last year but the last 3 years prior were fun.
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
If you've been to previous training camp festivals
then you (and/or anyone else who’s been in the past) should answer the question posed in bluekoolaide’s fanpost this morning asking asking whether or not it’s family/kid-friendly because he’s thinking of bringing his 6 and 8 year old niece and nephew.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I just did thanks
It’s a ton of fun and can’t wait to go again. My only complaint is the assinged seating they did but probably needed due to how big it got.
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
If I lived in Chicago I'd check it out for sure
and I likely will when I eventually move back in a few years – it sounds like a lot of fun!
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
whatever happened to that supposed chicago-montreal trade?
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by justforkicks on Jul 12, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you enter
The lottery this week? If not, probably not much
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The new Harry Potter movie?
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by Saskjet on Jul 12, 2011 12:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
YES!
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by justforkicks on Jul 12, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Seen it already.
We had a free preview here at the Post theater on last Saturday.
IT. IS. AWESOME.
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That is great to hear, glad you liked it!
Did you see it in 3D?
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No, while our theater is pretty cool, it isn't that modernized yet.
Still great though, and after my daughter finishes her summer visit, we may go and see it in 3D, just because we enjoyed it that much.
There are a lot of scenes where I know that the 3D would have been amazing.
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I'm even more excited for Friday now!
or giving in and going to the midnight show.
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It is very faithfully done.
There is one scene at the end of part one that I was really angry about, and they remedied that right away in the opening of part two.
Very pleased with the movie adaptation(s).
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really really glad to hear that
throughout the series the departure from the books has always bugged me, some more then others. So I’m excited to know that this last one stays close. Thanks for sharing your thoughts btw!
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
to get yelled at for not working?
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by cliffkoroll on Jul 12, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Kopgretzky's final Dollar/ goal ratio?
…over/ under is $ 250,000
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by Saskjet on Jul 12, 2011 12:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll take the under
I’m sure he’ll exceed 12 goals playing top-6 minutes (barring injury) – my guess is that it’ll be closer to $200,000
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take the under
I am a meat popsicle
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 12, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
$250,000 per goal? That's almost Doug Gilmour money!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 12, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as realignment w/ only Chicago in the east...
3 words would solve that: Original Six Provision. O6 teams should play each other more than other teams. It’d never happen, but I couldn’t see anyone who pays to see games(AKA, fans) have a problem w/ that. And it’s not like they all are juggernauts or just pushovers(like the hay the Hawks would make playing in the Shitty New Central)
Agreed. This should have happened years and years ago.
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The new central
would be the old northwest.
Presidents Trophy and massive post season disappointment here we come!
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jul 12, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that
post season disappointment would be guaranteed…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 12, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Did you use
waive on purpose instead of wave?
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Crap
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 12, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the Canadian spelling
they do things weird up there in BC, like rioting whenever their team loses game 7 of the SCF
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Shouldn't waive be woewe then...
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
I see what you did there...
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Winner
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by FrankStallone on Jul 12, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
This I did not
get… and the googles did not help. Elucidate?
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See, Toews is to "Taves" as Woeve is to "Waive"...or something like that
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Got it
I’d actually just started to put that together right before I refreshed the page… I’ve been slow lately
/feels shame
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OK, no problem...
/woeves good- bye…
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LoL... But it should be Woewes.
We have to keep this.
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Gah! Right you are...
I goewe it my broewest shot…
/Must stop this meme imm-ed-i-ate-ly
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
NO.
This is awesome.
I am going to do it every chance I get.
Woeweing good-bye!
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Foley:
Crawford with the kick soewe!
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Ok, before we go any further, we've gotta fix this
why are we adding an “e” onto the end? Shouldn’t it just be “Crawford with the kick soew!” and “I’m woewing goodbye” considering the actual spelling of the source of this meme that we’re creating? I mean, it’s Toews, not Toewes…
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I see Royt you're saying
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
"And he still took a pretty stiff right from Andrew Shaw."
This Shaw kid is a tough S.O.B. who at 5’8" 180lbs will take on anyone and throws a dam fierce right. The kid can shot too.
Mark Nemec was helped off the ice after being hit by Andrew Shaw during the first period of a scrimmage between Hawks prospects. Nemec didn’t return, but Shaw scored twice in the scrimmage, which ended in a 6-6 tie.
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didn't see the first scrimmage, how was the hit carried out?
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jul 12, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yikes...
definitely don’t like to see that ever, especially not in a prospect camp scrimmage. Shaw seems like a good kid with a brain in his interviews, but there’s no place for that shit.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That stuff is gonna happen
Particularly in camps like this. Guys will run around a bit more trying to get noticed. Its been the same at any try-out (at any level) I ever attended as a player or coach. Not saying it should happen, just that it does and will continue to regardless of rules. Besides, most “league” rules don’t apply during camps anyway (or they apply so loosely they hardly matter).
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 13, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
That's the scouting report on him
Talented in many respects, but plays on the edge (and sometimes goes over it), leading to lots of penalty minutes.
In other words, Carcillo.
by transienthawk on Jul 12, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Regarding realignment
Why don’t they just send Columbus east because no one gives a shit about them anyway? It would solve our problems of not having to suffer through six games with them every year. And everyone knows our problems are what really matters here.
it would also be hilarious
because Philly sent Carter & Richards out West so they wouldn’t have to deal with them much. So putting Carter in their Conference/Division would just be funny.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
Sort of like when we traded Ladd and Buff to the East so we wouldn't have to deal with them?
Oh, shit…..
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I was about to draw up a realignment idea...
using the NFL/MLB model, but it’s not gonna happen, so why even attempt.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 6:30 PM CDT reply actions
really quick try
Conference 1:
a) Calgary, Edm, Minni, Van, Win
b) D.C., NJ, Philly, Pitt, Rangers
c) Car, Dallas, Fla, Nash, Tampa
Conference 2:
a) Ana, Colorado, LA, Phoenix, S.J
b) Boston, buffalo, islanders, montreal, ottawa
c) Chi, Columbus, Det, StL, Toronto
Both conferences would have an East, central and western geographic breakdown. Travel becomes more evenly distributed by doing something like this although you’d have to fine-tune my list to better accommodate time zone issues.
That's almost exactly what mine looked like.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Did a fanpost a few weeks ago and mine were
Clarence Campbell Conference
Patrick Division – Rangers, Islanders, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington.
Adams Division – Montreal, Ottawa, New Jersey, Boston, Buffalo.
Esposito Division – Tampa, Florida, Carolina, Nashville, Dallas.
Prince of Wales Conference
Smythe Division – Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesota, Winnipeg.
Gretzky Division – San Jose, L.A., Phoenix, Anaheim, Colorado.
Norris Division – Chicago, Detroit, Columbus, Toronto, St. Louis.
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is aeroplane to snibbodmot
like George Harrison to the Chiffons? Leibniz to Newton?
or are there darker deeds afoot?
seriously, if these were independently-derived, as I suspect they are, that’s…interesting.
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except one mind was sober...
although I was in an extreme state of “lazy” at the time of tackling the problem.
What are the odds the Esposito Division ever gets a Nationally televised game?
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approximately the same as
the Esposito Division of the Clarence Campbell Conference, or any of the 6 divisions envisioned above, actually being created. Or, in other words, there’s a -10% chance of it happening
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I've thought of a realignment model that more or less follows Major League Baseball's model
Now, I know this would never get implemented, but I think that the MLB model would solve the problem of keeping history intact (maintaining traditional rivals) while also keeping travel concerns in mind. The idea is to have a “senior circuit” of the older teams and a junior circuit of younger franchises organized into geographic divisions with a few convienences thrown in.
Here it is:
Prince of Wales Conference
Eastern Division: Flyers, Canadiens, Bruins, Rangers, Islanders
Central Division: Sabres, Blackhawks, Red Wings, Blues, Maple Leafs
Western Division: Kings, Oilers, Flames, Stars, Avalanche
Cambell Conference:
Eastern Division: Devils, Capitals, Hurricanes, Lightning, Panthers
Central Division: Senators, Blue Jackets, Predators, Wild, Penguins
Western Division: Canucks, Sharks, Ducks, Coyotes, Jets
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by Detroit Must Die on Jul 13, 2011 12:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
aeroplane
only problem with this set up is that conference 1 division c would have nobody watching it and would sink all those teams. lol, its like the junk division.
no offense to nashville & tampa
some offense to dallas
and complete offense to carolina & florida
otherwise, that set up looks fun. i notice, tho, that conference 1 only has one O6 team. good for the league?
you could swap out the (b) divisions
and have better parity in o6 teams.
If you're feeling down
Game 6 of the ’10 Cup finals is on CSN starting right now.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jul 12, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
Even though I know how it turns out...
(spoiler alert: happy ending!!) I can still barely contain my nerves watching. I should have waited to eat dinner until it was over. I might barf late in the 3rd period.
I forgot how much ass Leino and Hartnell kicked in that series.
Good thing we had Toews playing like he was touched by God.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Hossa is so fucking good.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough
but the only thing that really matters is that Toews ended up with 1 more ring than Briere
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
David. Fucking. Bolland.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Got it on my iPhone, watch it every month at least...
The overtime followed by the Conn Smythe and Lord Stanley’s Cup is 10 amazing minutes…good to go anytime
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by Saskjet on Jul 12, 2011 9:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
"well he shot it in and it rattled around and...then it SCAHR!!"
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jul 12, 2011 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ha! "A sad time for the Philadelphia Flyers...
…a joyous time for the Blackhawks""
Yes, it was, Doc, yes it was…
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by Saskjet on Jul 12, 2011 10:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I love how one of the first things Duncs said after the game
was “I’m glad I don’t have to see anymore of the damn Ville Leino.” You weren’t the only one, Duncs.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 12, 2011 9:51 PM CDT reply actions
and lisp
since he still had that gaping hole where his teeth used to be
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Realignment plans
Aren’t many of these plans floating around kind of moot since the Coyotes will be freezing their tales off in the Great White North next season?
Not if they move them to KC or Seattle.
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damn it Hjammer Time, you beat me to it
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but where exactly will they be moving?
They could move to Quebec City or Hamilton, which would place them decidedly in the east and thus render a lot of this discussion moot. However, they could also end up moving to a place like Seattle or Kansas City which keeps them in the west
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I really think it will be QC or Hamilton
KC is another disaster waiting to happen and I think (and I hope) the league recognises that. Saskatoon would be pushing it, really pushing it IMO. As for Seattle, I’m inclined to say NO but I don’t have a lot of reasoning behind me as both Everett (since ‘03) and Seattle are fairly well supported (mind you Tacoma wasn’t around the WHL for long…).
I think that if there’s any chance of Phoenix moving prior to the start of next season, that will effect re-alignment more than anything. If they go to Quebec, somebody’s going to have to come west if we stick with the current format. Perhaps that’s why we’re hearing rumblings about reverting back to a 4 division (2 per conference system)… because it would more easily accommodate a PHX-to-the-east scenario.
You are next.
A couple of things for you to consider
First of all, if the Coyotes move to Quebec then no, no one has to move west because the Thrashers already have in moving to Winnipeg. Some minor re-aligning of the divisions will have to take place, but with the Thrashjets moving from the EC to the WC and the ’Yotes moving form the WC to the EC no conference re-alignment would be necessary.
Second of all, while Hamilton and Quebec City have both been brought up, I don’t think that either is really likely for a few reasons. 1) Canada has already just gotten a 7th team in the Jets and I doubt Bettman or NBC would be willing to let an 8th move there and leave the US unless there were literally no other options. 2) While the greater Toronto area could easily support another NHL team, the Maple Leafs do not want to have to share their market base with (and as a result lose some revenues to) another team and will do everything in their power to prevent anyone from relocating to Hamilton. 3) There’s already been such a massive stink about Winnipeg being such a small market with such a small stadium, that problem is even more compounded in Quebec City.
Thirdly, I think you’re wrong about both Seattle and Kansas City. Both cities already have already shown that they can support major professional sports franchises, and quite frankly both (especially Kansas City, but also Seattle to a certain extent) would mesh well with Bettman’s well known desire to attempt to grow the game in non-traditional markets.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Response time!
Good point about the whole Atlanta/Winnipeg conference angle. Sometimes things present themselves so obviously they are forgotten.
An 8th Canadian team is far more likely than you care to admit or consider. When you think of NBC/Versus, why would they care if PHX moved to Quebec City? They don’t air any Canadian teams anyway. This way there are left garbage/bad drawing teams to worry about and they can focus even more on their east coast bias and Chicago/Detroit. Bottom line, better for them.
As for your Toronto argument… there is a litany of articles you can find amongst Canadian papers that say regardless of what the Leafs think, the league doesn’t consider another Ontario team to be a threat to them. The concern with a team in Hamilton has always been the ongoing viability of the Sabres. With their new money-bags owner some of this has been remedied (for how long remains to be seen).
As for the small market thing… Quebec City’s metro population is larger than Winnipeg’s and both of them probably have more “total” hockey fans than a place like Detroit. Not to mention, Quebec is the seat of parliament in Quebec and there are a lot of French/Quebecois corporations headquartered out of there. Many of which consider supporting the Canadiens too “English”. Also, the provincial government is fully on board with building a new arena and is going to be built (replacing the old Colisee). That will be done within a couple of years.
Kansas City Scouts anybody? They lasted all of 2 seasons in the NHL. Kansas City can have a history of supporting MLB, NFL all they want – it is an absolute minefield for the NHL and they’d be batshit crazy to go back there. After the Atlanta mess I think the NHL has figured out not to touch KC with a barge pole.
Seattle? Like I mentioned before – the area seems to support Everett and Seattle T-Birds fairly well. A couple things to consider though: 1) Will an NHL team in Seattle kill off those franchises? Probably. 2) Everett in 2003 and Seattle in 2009 had new rinks built for them (something in the neighbourhood of 50-75 mildo each), would the community really want to pony up new dollars for a rink when they wouldn’t for the Sonics? Would they fix up the Key arena? The T-Birds moved from there…
Finally, I think Bettman’s well known desire to grow into non-traditional markets is seriously under-going a change. I can’t believe, for a second, that the owners are happy having to keep PHX afloat for ANOTHER season. If I were a betting man, I say those same owners (who Bettman answers to) want the security of a traditional market over some roulette wheel of KC or Seattle.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 13, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, considering that the 6 Candian teams generate
33% of the league revenue, I’d think the other owners would like to add 2 more teams (1 more if you count Winnipeg for next season) into the league-wide revenue pool. The league will benefit more by having Canadian teams locking up Canadian TV deals then the league will benefit from franchises in KC or Seattle ‘adding’ to the NBC/Versus deals.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 13, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as the CDN stays at par or above the USD
That’s the main reason the league has done so well in the past few years. I think they’d be a bit hesitant to put too many teams in small market Canadian cities, in fear of the dollar going down again and taking those teams with them
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Additional Two Cents
I think that Hamilton is dead, not just because of the Leafs, but more because of the Sabres. If you live in the Greater TO area, more western burb fans are getting tix to the Sabres games to see NHL hockey and boycotting the costs and performance of MapleLeaf Sports that control the Leafs. I would bet upwards of 20% of Sabres season ticket holders are coming across the Peace Bridge evrynight. No way the Sabres want to share that and no way can they afford to.
As such, I think that Seattle is prime (minus a great rink). Especially since they lost the NBA conflict. The corporate base is clearly there.
I'm not sure
about Seattle. They seem to support the Tips and the T-Birds just fine, but professional sports don’t have a great history recently in that city. The Sonics just moved, the Mariners almost moved 15 years ago, the Seahawks have had issues throughout their history….
I maintain that Portland would be a good location
Trailblazers sell out often, and the Timbers (MLS) have some of the most rowdy, fervent fans in the league – just watch these:
I feel like the city would embrace another sports team completely. When the Winterhawks were in the playoffs this past season, the games were sold out (10K+) with people trying to buy tickets outside the arena.
Nothing is guaranteed, but Portland has a rich hockey history. And I miss live NHL games.
by transienthawk on Jul 13, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Portland Displaced Wildlife
would be my NHL team name suggestion to continue with the deforestation trend.
by transienthawk on Jul 14, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love that
If it happened. I’ve been going to Winterhawk games since I was 7 but have still never been to an NHL game. Portland is a pretty good sports town and I think the NHL would do fine here, but the problem has always been finding a potential owner since Paul Allen doesn’t seem interested.
problems with QC and possibly Hamilton
QC doesn’t have an arena. They would probably use the AHL arena in Hamilton like the Winnipeg Whatevers are in Winnipeg but that means that they’re already at one of the lower capacities in the league, which could become a problem in as few as 5 or 6 years if the team isn’t doing well enough to sell out the small arena.
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I heard Saskatchewan...
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by Saskjet on Jul 13, 2011 9:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Chris Block hates Carcillo----thinks vet signings show something wrong with locker room
http://thethirdmanin.com/2011/07/12/ttmiradio-e-85-two-years-gone/
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I haven't listened to it, and can't at work, I assumed
that while the vet signings will be a good presence in the locker room, i never really thought there was something wrong there. Also we have a lot of young guys in our system that aren’t ready for the big leagues – we need the depth (we’ve seen what happens when we don’t have it). I mean yeah, our guys were mostly crap at standing up for each other last season, but I always thought some of it was symptomatic of the long prior season and summer – like an overall lethargy, but nothing personal. Obviously I know nothing, but that really wasn’t a connection I ever made — about the vets meaning there are issues in the locker room.
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Im not sure Im totally on board with Blocks analysis here...
Although I dont agree with you that everything was sunshine and lollipops either. Remember when Toews and Seabrook were laughing off the suggestion that the Hawks could miss the playoffs and only Campbell seems to realize that the season was being pissed away?
Block seemed to indicate that all these new vet voices could actually cause more problems than they solve. When someone like Jamal Mayers or Sean O’Donnell stands up to call someone out, Block think’s the Cup guys are going to say to themselves "who the hell is this guy? I won a fucking Stanley Cup whe
He also raised a question about the Carcillo signing….did the Hawks even want him at noon on July 1st? He linked Ward going to Washington to the Hawks turning around to get Carcillo to solve the “grit” question.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Uhh. I meant to end after Cup and delete the rest but clearly forgot to do so.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I won a fucking Stanley Cup whe....
Where were you goin with that? Or is whe another expression/acronym I don’t know (I’ve been missing a lot of those lately)
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I was going to say
“I won a fucking Stanley Cup when you sucking it up in Toronto and Calgary”….but then I thought that would be an unfair shot at Mayers.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
...I got distracted because one of my bosses walked up to the desk.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I doubt Carcillo was number 1 on the Hawks list
but they weren’t going to give Talbot 5 years and they weren’t going to give Ward $3 million so they ended up getting a little further down the list. To say the Hawks didn’t even want Carcillo at noon is just silly though.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jul 13, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He says some nice things about your Carcillo article....then disagrees with it.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
In an ideal world, yeah they probably would have preferred to have the other two guys
but when other teams start negotiating….So they ended up with their third or fourth choice. It happens to just about every team where Dale Tallon isn’t overpaying.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jul 13, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Ward would have been a nice pick-up. Sort of bummed that feel through. I’m content with Carcillo and hope the rest of the fans at least give the guy a chance…
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
"bummed that feel through"
Que?
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
You smart ass.
Me fail english?
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That's unpossible!
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Gonna go check Uncyclopedia and see if that is a real word...
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
Now your just going out of you're woew to caus problemz.
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I'm makin woews...
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
In the royter...
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
he's bummed
because he feeds at a trough.
right?
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by cliffkoroll on Jul 13, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I like it, it's a phrase denoting dissatisfaction, a general pissed off attitude...
“Man, I couldn’t get a date for tomorrow night, I bummed that feel through, dude”
“I know how you feel, man, I also bummed that feel through”
Etc.
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
I'll admit to not listening yet so I'm going on your word
but the veteran thing seems like a radical jump to conclusion as well. So long as O’Donnell and Mayers don’t show up on the first day of training camp yapping their mouths at everybody (which would also be pretty out of character), they’re going to earn the respect to speak up after a game, say in February.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jul 13, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I listened again to parts of it on the way home.
I agree the vet thing was a jump. He says two vets is understandable but three makes it curious. Im not sure why one additional vet makes it so suspicious.
On your Carcillo article, he doesn’t so much disagree with your conclusion as he takes it into consideration, and then concludes that it doesn’t matter because he is ineffective in the role he plays anyhow. Which he may or may not be right about.
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Well he's dumb
if the Hawks were in a position where they had to spend to reach the floor, they could have signed younger guys like Ward, Brouwer, even traded for Cogliano— bigger deals for longer terms.
All veteran signings show is that a team is in position to win. Teams like the Hawks don’t need to spend their season developing players at the NHL level, so young guys spend time in Rockford. Vet signings (especially for one year deals) are essentially gap fillers, and they’re willing to take one year-ers because the players themselves know they’re old.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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Q loves veteran players.
I really think it’s as simple as that. I can definitely see Q asking Stan to get him some players during the offseason that have been around the block more than a few times. It’s also no coincidence that a couple of them played for Q before.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I don't think its sunshine and lollipops, I just don't think there was a lockerroom problem that the Hawks
had to get vets in to suddenly fix. And I don’t think the Toews and Seabrook pie in the sky optimism versus Campell’s realistic view indicates that either. Maybe I just have a different view of what constitutes a “lockerroom issue” versus not.
I could see the vets raising some issues if call someone out, but only because the respect and bond is there for the current team that’s left, but they may not have it for the new guys and think it has to be earned (which is fair, imo). Some new guy coming in and calling people out, even if they are a vet, when he is new to the team and doesn’t know them, could create some problems. I could be wrong though. Like they want to play well for Toews, or Seabrook, etc…, but who the hell is Montador to say anything at this stage, you know?
Also, yeah that is a question.
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the new guys have been around long enough to know
that the first and loudest voice in the locker room is the captain’s, and they will defer to Toews (and other Hawk locker room veterans) when any team issues need to be addressed.
I can’t see any of them speaking out of turn in the dressing room until they have established a rapport with Q, Toews and the rest of the team.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I would think, and hope so
but I can imagine veteran players coming in thinking, or even being told, to bring their veteran voice and be a leader in the locker room even when they are not THE leader.
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Besides for the dead air being painful, I agree with most of what he is saying
especially the comparrison with Eager. Like I have mentioned before, the hawks got older slower and what Block says, dumber. I am still waiting to hear a good reason why the Hawks let Brouwer go besides for that Q didn’t like him.
Yes, lots of dead air. A lot of times it seems like he runs a quick google search while recordings the show.
Im always grateful for these things tho. Hawk Talk helps pass the day….and were sure as shit not going to get it on local sports radio.
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Zero goals in his last 20+ games?
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How have they gotten dumber?
O’Donnell and Brunette only got deals because they play with their heads. I could roll across the ice faster than they could skate. One Carcillo signing does not signal a change to general meat-headery, the important UFA signings were older, yes, but smarter players who get shit done.
I’ll take old, slow, and consistent over young, expensive, and inconsistent (Brouwer)
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lets not get into the Brouwer discussion again please
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
For those who say Jesse is a boot- licking, sycophantic idiot...You may be right, but interesting words today:
“But here is the real question: With the money spent on role players like Sean O’Donnell, Jamal Mayers and Dan Carcillo, wouldn’t it have been prudent to find another center? It’s probably a little more important than that extra muscle they brought in…Sharp at center is not the answer. Not for Sharp at least, and probably not for the team…Hopefully the Hawks have more to do with half the summer to go, otherwise its déjà vu all over again at the center position.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blackhawks/post/_/id/4667338/depth-at-center-of-hawks-concerns
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False choice.
We needed the toughness, but we still need the Center as well. Jesse still sucks.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
his post today is a good one though
He basically calls out bowman for the same things that we call him out for, making everything seem like a position of strength when he doesn’t have to.
The Hawks could have made the case they bettered themselves in other areas, so a small weakness at center depth is sustainable, but they didn’t say that Monday. They also could have repeated an earlier summer sentiment that the free-agent center possibilities this offseason were weak and they were saving money for an in-season deal. But that wasn’t heard either. They could have simply said “you cant have a perfect team and this is where we are short,” but when presented with that opening, it was denied.
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Right, the only way this works out well for Bowman is if indeed he is playing coy while lining up a true #2C...
Then he goes from “delusional liar” to “Poker player”…
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
It worked for the blue line
considering how much Stan was pumping John Scott’s tires before going out and acquiring both Montador and O’Donnell and relegating Scott to the 8th (or 7th if Campoli isn’t re-signed, but that still keeps him out of the line-up most nights) defenseman spot, so maybe we’ll get lucky and he’s doing the exact same thing now with centers. is this a guarantee or a sure thing? Absolutely not, far from it. I’m merely trying to remain optimistic in light of the fact that Stan has played that exact same game in the recent past.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
The only thing that matters is the playoffs, I think Bowman thinks this team is good enough to be alive near the trade deadline...
…then get a big piece to crank it up a notch and roar into the post- season
/feels like a delusional liar
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IMO, this team is already better than last years in almost every area with the exception of the forecheck.
I think he would be right to assume this team will be alive near the deadline….but its unclear to me why simply “being alive” is good enough for a team with Cup aspirations. Being in solid playoff shape by January would do a world of good for our guys. It keeps our stars minutes down and Crawford wont have to start every game for 3 months. Im still of the mind that the Hawks would be much better off coming out of the gates fully stocked and ready to take advantage of a soft easy schedule.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it boils down to not being able to get a 1- year placeholder experienced #2 C...they don't want to delay the youth movement longer than that
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
This exactly
They’re not going to handcuff themselves with an overpayment while having a few guys less than two years away from being everyday players. Those guys also come way cheaper and with much less risk than dealing for a RFA worth $3.5 to 4.5 million for multiple years.
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by El Duque's Raft on Jul 13, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Not the perfect team but improved over last year . Tired of seeing Kaner, Toewes in the middle of scrums. Knock Scott if you have to but our guys had more room and more respect from the opposition when he was out there. True they had more breakaways too but that’s why I think he brought in the variety of pugilists. See who’s the best fit . I think teams have put themselves in a salary bind by overpaying and we’ll scrape up a need trade somewhere along the line. I’m not ready to pull my case of Bud Light Aluminum Hawks Stanley cup beer out of the closet in celebration again but I’m more optimistic
Not sure I remember these breakaways due to Scott's presence that you speak of....
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember a few that Kieth and Leddy gave up...
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
No team gave us more respect because of Fluffy
In fact, they just laughed at him while he skated around in vain, pleading for someone, anyone, to take a dance with him. Then he’d take an idiotic penalty in his own zone and we’d get scored upon.
thats not true
wideman and murray actually commented about it during a game against the Nucks. Scott got a game misconduct for looking at a guy wrong before a faceoff . I think the hawks had a lead of several goals after scott was tossed the Nucks found their beer muscles and had their way with the hawks forwards. Prior to Scott getting tossed noone on the nucks really took a run at anyone. I think we were up by alot and ended up winning by a goal or maybe even in ot. Can’t remember exact game but I do remeber this situation late last year
Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't.
If Bowman comes right out and says “These are my team’s areas of weakness and we will address them later via a possible trade” doesn’t that weaken his bargaining position later? (And I believe I have read that very argument in other posts on this site.)
So if he blows sunshine up everyone’s ass about how all is right with the world in Blackhawkland he’s criticized for not seeing the obvious holes that still exist on the roster and doing something about it RIGHT NOW.
Conversely, if he lets the cat out of the bag and publicly states where his team is weakest he’s criticized for not being savvy enough to play it close to the vest and thereby strengthening his negotiating power when deals need to be made later on.
All-in-all I think most people agree that he’s done a good job thus far of addressing the needs of the team that were identified after last season. It would seem that his judgement was that the free agent market could most readily address the ‘toughness’ issue while working within the plan the team had for how to use their available dollars under the cap. The next step seems to be to evaluate exactly what they have with the new veteran bodies on the roster and the development of the youngsters in the system that they expect to contribute sooner rather than later (i.e. Morin, Kruger, Smith, Stanton, Beach, Lalonde, etc). I have no doubt that Stan will use the extra cap dollars available to pull the trigger on a deal to bring in additional help at any point between now and the trade deadline, if and when it’s necessary.
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- Laurence J. Peter
Bowman is holding his cards close, IMO
During the season, he said things like, “we need more depth down the center” when every team is shuffling to make changes and hoping for the playoffs.
Over the summer, he’s not going to walk down Madison banging a pan with a wooden spoon, yelling about their lack of depth. He’s the same guy who praised Scott’s game, remember.
I think it would be foolish for him to say that his current centers suck and they hope to change them with a midseason trade.
As of now, all he has done (and shown) is faith in who they have, which any GM in any sport will do. We don’t know what the Hawks AREN’T showing, and I can’t be mad over that— yet.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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Kaner decided to get an awful haircut in the offseason
Stan has quite the shit eating grin in that photo.
What was he thinking?
Im guessing : “Rogers, what a tool”
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by HjammerTime on Jul 13, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
"Mmmmm, Floor Pie..."
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Definitely looks bigger in the neck and shoulders.
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- Laurence J. Peter
He is obviously doing lots of cleans, squats and other powerlifting type of lifts.
That’s why his traps are bigger and his general thickness. These basic moves do a great job of releasing your natural growth hormones and are very good to create explosive quickness by working on the fast twich muscle fibers.
Exactly where he wants to bury shots.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 13, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
hah, and this one
also from Jesse Rogers:
If that is partying all summer I want that workout.
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Got my attention...
Andrew Shaw’s hit on Nemec got my attention in Saturday’s scrimmage. Hope the kid was alright. Agree on Stevie Moses boys. We need to find a spot somewhere for him.
Wait a second, are you trying to imply that Jaeckel may in fact be wrong?
crazy!
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The choice...and death is not an option.
Reading Rogers tweets or reading John Jackasses pieces at Hockey Buzz?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if this is the same Jaeckel?
http://www.gsw-w.com/blog/author/jjaeckel/
Im also fairly certain that Jaeckel’s sources are the people who post on Sassone’s blog.
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the dude in the picture sure as shit looks the same as the dude in jaeckel's twitter profile picture...
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, after reading the first few paragraphs (and stopping before my eyes started bleeding)
I’ve got to ask – how the fuck does someone actually earn a living writing when they don’t understand the concept that their paragraphs usually ought to be more than 1 sentence long?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
“If I had a gun with only two bullets and was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and Jaeckel, I’d shoot Jaeckel…
twice."
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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by docks on Jul 13, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Much like Hitler going to see the doctor for his Syphilis problem just months before the Blitzkrieg, Patrick Kane will be seeing a wrist surgeon just months before the season starts”
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because lord knows you can't just go all willy-nilly into a blitzkrieg
before getting that syphilis shit on lockdown with some penicillin
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, that's fucking hilarious
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets say he is right
He said seeing a wrist surgeon in the tweet I saw. Doesn’t mean there is surgery involved. May just be a consult for a nagging problem.
Is it October yet?
Or perhaps he's just got a date with a sexy young wrist surgeon?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Er, Thomas A. Wiedrich, MD, Good hand surgeon, not a "sexy chick"
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PALOMINO!!!! SEXIST REMARK !!!
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
DAMMIT! Where are the mods???.... Oh. Nevermind.
Yeah!
I’m sure there are nurses.
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Someone asked Jesse Rogers about the wrist rumor
This was his response.
not sure what crackpot is telling you that but no.
by transienthawk on Jul 13, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
2C
Is Sharp sure to fail at center?
I think he is fine at 2C. The fucking lines are never the same for more than 5 games with our madman of a coach anyway. Everybody is going to play center at some point. If Savard was still coach Kane would be the 2C (Remember that?). Kruger will play there some too. Everybody starts somewhere.
Everybody has this team under a microscope and they have not even had a skate together yet. How do you know what Olesz does? How much Ben Smith and Kruger have we actually seen.
Nobody has ever said to my knowledge that Sharp will fail at Center.
The problem stems from the fact that he doesn’t seem to have much chemistry with Marian Hossa and for some reason everybody freaks out when you talk about breaking up Toews and Kane (defensive reasons). Add that to the fact that Sharp prefers to play LW and there you have it…..people want a new 2C.
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Sharp and Hossa
it is an empirical fact that these two didn’t really click together last year but, for the most part, they had Schleppy McSchlep on LW.
DDN has shown they can click with the right “guy” (e.g. Brouwer)- perhaps Brunette on the second line is an option that unlocks Sharp/Hossa magic, and Rusty (or the top-6 forward the Hawks land, or the revolving door) lines up with DDN.
/standard disclaimer about Sharp being best as LW with DDN
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I think that’ll work out nicely. Even if Sharp doesn’t give a shit about his own zone again this year, and he historically hasn’t whenever on a line with Kane, a healthy Hossa with Toews, and a healthy Bolland on the third line can mitigate a lot of the Fun Boys’ defensive inattentiveness.
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I’m thinking along the lines of having Brunette with the Fun Boys and sliding Morin up with Toews and Hoss Boss.
At least have someone know where the defensive zone is on that line and have Toews and Hossa school young Morin on his defensive responsibilities as there are sure to be a few miscues in that department.
But with Q, who knows what that blender will churn out.
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i dunno
i don’t want to fuck with DDN or give up on Shap/Hossa with a decent linemate.
i’m sure we’ll see all combinations though.
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+1
I think Sharp/Hossa/not!kopecky has the potential to be a good line. I’m sure we’ll see it at some point.
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Will this Sharp shit ever end?
He’s proved that he’s more than capable at the position. It’s not the ideal as we all know, as he’s best suited to play a sniping winger role, but the Hawks have proved for awhile they can win games with him at center. The problem, of course, is that he’s not the playmaker type that maximizes Hossa’s skills. I still think Hossa should skate with Toews and Kaner with Sharp, and instead of worrying about the ever elusive play making center, worrying about a defensively responsible winger with size. For instance; 1st line of Frolik/Toews/Hossa, 2nd line of Brunette/Sharp/Kane. This would break up everyone’s favorite 3rd line set up, but Olecz is much better suited for that line than Fro. Sharp has been and can still be the solution at center… Again, it’s not the ideal, but it’s the best in house option we have.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 13, 2011 2:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why not?
If we’re talking about in house options, who would you rather have there?
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 13, 2011 2:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bickell
This isn’t an original thought of mine, but I dont want Frolik stealing shots from Kaner or Hossa or Toews or Sharp. His shot selection is fucking horrible. He isn’t a setup man, he is a shooter.
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and Bickell is a setup man?
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 13, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he's a grinder
which is a perfectly suitable replacement for a set-up man when there’s already 1 or 2 on the ice
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He can get the puck and wont take shots from every single fucking angle.
We already have a shooter. Hossa was visibly pissed according to Chris Block a few times last season when on the ice with Frolik. We cant have that guy on the ice with our stars.
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Im not sure what so controversial about keeping Frolik away from our proven goal scorers.
Dont like Bickell? Then take Morin…or Smith….or anyone. Frolik simply can’t be a regular on a line with any of the “Big 4”
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Assuming that Frolik is re-signed (and who knows at this point, but hopefully it happens)
at the very least I can virtually guarantee you that we’ll see your suggest line pairings for a handful of games at minimum this year
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course, cause Q is nuts.
I’d like to see it. I’ve always liked the pairing of Kaner and Sharpie, but I’ll acknowledge for the thousandth time that I know I’m in the minority with that.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 13, 2011 2:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm actually with you on that one
Kaner has shown a lot more chemistry with Sharp than Hossa has, IMO
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Splitting up Kane and Toews might start a "Teenage Riot"
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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well
Toews + Kane = young
young + skilled = “Sonic Youth”
“Sonic Youth” + Cup dreams = Daydream Nation
Daydream Nation – Kane = Teenage Riot
Takes a teen age riot to get me out of bed right now.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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When you are in posession of the puck what does the center do?
He becomes one of three forwards. If he is in deep and a turnover happens, he cannot be expected to be the first forward back. Sharp knows where to go without the puck. He is fairly good with the puck.
Really, he is only the center when a puck is dropped and in the D zone.
Maybe the problem here is Hossa. Wherever he goes, it seems he needs a different center or winger
Hossa showed chemistry with both Toews and Bolland.
The people want Toews with Kane and Bolland to play checking center…neither of which is Hossa’s fault.
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Bolland and Hossa will shut down every single opponent
Give them Bickell and you have the makings of a disguised 1st line that will kill.
Your 2nd paragraph is no small thing!
Jesus people. This used to be a town that loved tough Defense! That’s where I think Sharpies issues lie as a #2 Center. He isn’t the presence is his own end anywhere near the performance of Toews or Bolland. I want someone as good as those two in our own end.
I have no issues with #10’s performance on the wing. Just not #2 center.
Sharp is not a bad defensive forward.
He started out bad last season, but finished strong. The guy is a great hockey player.
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where do you think you replied to?
because you did reply to laaarmer…
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is there a reason
sharp can’t skate 2C during 5v5 play, then overload the top PP unit, when bolland runs the 2nd? Sharp seems far more lethal on the PP anyway, when that one-timer can get set up.
Our PP units should be pretty interesting this year.
Do you put Brunette with Kaner and Toews? Where does Sharp go? Does Leddy get PP time. Lots o questions.
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i'd think
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Unless Fro keeps up his jittery shoot-the-puck-at-every-opportunity stuff, in which case he gets subbed out.
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Sharp on the point was driving me nuts last season but I agree Q will probably keep him there. Bickell and Frolik are interchangeable on the 2nd PP but if Bickell can go stand out front he’s a better option than Frolik.
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Kane on the halfboards,
Toews below the goal line, Brunette in front, Sharp creeping in on the far dot, and Seabs in the high slot …. I don’t care how good your PK is.
Yes, this is a pretty sick PP.
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No Sharp on point?
Mr. Kitchen wants words.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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Top 6 line combos from last night's replay of 2010 final game 6.
Kopecky / Toews / Hossa
Ladd / Sharp / Kane
Worked pretty well. With Brunette taking one LW spot who takes the other? That will be the biggest question mark and competion of training camp barring any deal between now and then.
Personally I am not counting Morin out of that competition. I think he will make a strong bid to stick in the top 6 out of camp.
I can see Brunette / Toews / Hossa and Morin / Sharp / Kane starting the season.
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- Laurence J. Peter
I'd love to see
?/Sharp/Kane this year. I feel like it will be defensively responsible enough, and offensively lethal.
I want this as well. I love the idea of Hossa with Tazer and Brunette.
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it just strikes me as a giant pain in the ass to play against.
And it adds to 100.
you could have made that more clear
by including a creative but to-the-point reference to putting your boot in his ass
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
No **starts crying**
Thanks for bringing it up, asshole
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that would be a sick line
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
What's new over here?
You guys sign any more goons? Someone has to protect Carcillo.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 13, 2011 2:29 PM CDT reply actions
we're still talking to Ogie Oglethorpe's agent, but we expect him to be in the fold soon
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
of course i go running around looking for confirmation. In Philly the absurd is but a departure point.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 13, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I just assumed some guy named Geno was Malkin
It could have been that Seabrook was ordering pizza and sent Kruger to get it.
I see you guys haven't traded away the rest of your team yet
It’s like they had their own little capocalypse on the eastern seaboard.
Is it October yet?
apparently
they’re looking for a Kate Smith recording of “Here Today Gone Tomorrow” to use instead of God Bless America
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 13, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
we’ll see. if pronger misses the start of the season and brzygalov gives up four or five goals in the first couple of games he’ll be in Lake Adirondack or wherever the farm team is and Leighton will be starting.
We need a goalie.
We really need a goalie.
We’ll do anything for a goalie.
Oh my god will you please just get us a…..
YOU DID WHAT??!!!!!!!! WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU???!!!!!!
by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 13, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan Lambert hilariously continues his war against Red Wings blogs on the Commodore 64 issue.
http://www.fabulousinflatables.com/blog/uploaded_images/2404612363_43419ffeaa_o-702342.jpg
ryan lambert
no gimmicks for red wings hockey
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Somebody is screwing around with Bickell's Wikipedia page.
It has been rumoured that Bryan Bickell is heir to the Bick’s Pickles throne.
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Hjammer, did you just Jump the Shark?
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Candid Kane and Hjammer
“The guys we brought in are a bit tougher,” Hjalmarsson said. “Maybe that’s what we were missing last year. That toughness I think. It’s sad to see a guy like Brian go, especially for me. That’s a guy that helped me a lot when I came up from the minors. He helped me on the ice and off the ice. Every good thing has an end. That’s what you guys say over here. I wish him luck in Florida.”
“I don’t think you can have ever have more than enough [toughness], especially on our team,” Kane said. “You look at so many skill players that we have, I think last year — I don’t want to say we got exposed — but we weren’t like as protected enough as years before.Sometimes you have to mix and match. You just can’t put the best 12 players on the ice at all times because they are the most skilled. You need certain players for certain roles.”
Brouwer was an occasional line-mate of Kane and recently intimated his teammates weren’t thrilled with the continued roster turnover from the 2009-10 championship team.“I think the thing with Brouwer, he never really felt like he got a fair shake,” Kane said. “A lot of people have heard that. I told him good luck.”
Detroit Red Wings - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
thanks for linking - interesting to hear their perspective, and can't disagree.
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Kaner sounded focused, mature and ready to go...am I f'd up for thinking that?
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Scott as the protector.
….I think last year — I don’t want to say we got exposed — but we weren’t like as protected enough as years before.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I think its a ringing endorsement
that one Meat guy does not a tough team make. The whole fourth line is going to be rougher than the sugar plum line it was last year.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Scott wasn't out there enough
Did Scott lose or draw in any fight last year?? Not that I recall .Q thought they could outrun everyone. Sounds like a different approach this year. Guys brought in to make room for the skilled players . If the opposition insists on being goofs then someone hands them their head as a consolation prize. Just hope the PP/PK is better this year . for my money thats the key to our season.
A couple of points
1) Scott wasn’t out there enough because the league as evolved to the point that putting someone on the ice who’s JUST an enforcer screws you as you need guys that can actually skate and play the game. When Scott suited up he never saw more than 5 minutes of ice time because putting him out there more would have killed them.
2) Yes it’s all well and good that Scott didn’t lose any fights last year, nor do I imagine he will ever lose many fights just due to the fact that he’s a fucking giant. His ability to fight doesn’t exactly help us much if no one on the other team will dare to drop gloves against him.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it a coincidence that the Hawks only won 19 of the 40 games that Scott played in?
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
You meant like....
Stalberg and Pisani guys that skate and play the game? Why do I think of Ken Yaremchuk when I see Stalberg play?I think Scott does more for this team that either one of those guys did and I think the loses snib is talking about can hardly be attributed to scotts minimal ice time . Not saying Scott should get a regular shift even just think he’s a useful situational weapon. I think he gives our guns more room out there. Especially against the woosie Nucks and Wings
Obviously those 21 losses were not all his fault but,
if Scott (or Pisani or Boynton or whoever) can only be trusted on the ice for say 5 minutes a game, mostly early in the game, then other players have to play more minutes, especially late in the game. Simple, no?
There is a cumulative effect then and to me they often looked tired and error prone in the third period…The Hawks outscored their opponents 85-62 in the first and 89-65 in the second and got outscored 74-89 in the third period.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
something OT
Just secured an apartment in STL – i have a choice, it appears between charter and ATT UVerse – any horror stories? recommendations?
Uverse is generally pretty good
I did have a problem with CSN+ however. Occasionally the channel wouldn’t work. You could see the game when you’re viewing the guide in the little mini-screen but when you actually select the channel it wouldn’t work. I think I was in the minority on that however since I’ve never heard anyone else say they had a problem.
Aside from that, it’s a pretty good provider. It has Versus for whenever they broadcast Hawks games and as long as you have that, CSN/CSN+, and NBC, you’re fine.
Could you not just subscribe to Centre Ice package on one of those providers?
Surely St. Louis is considered out-of-market as far as the Hawks are concerned, no? Or do neither of those offer the C.I. package?
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 13, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
i'd rather not
pay 180$ a season (or whatever it is) to watch hockey on top of 50-100$ a month for cable and internet if i don’t have to.
Must be nice to have lived where you had an option
:(
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
as a recent grad of WashU
I will tell you that charter is terrible. The picture sometimes goes in an out and the customer service is a bad as it gets
I have Uverse
out in California. I’m kinda cheap, so I don’t pay for the package that includes VS. I just listen to the Hawks games via the radio feed on the website. Only complaint I have is that sometimes the picture freezes up and you have to switch channels real quick to get it back.
by CaptainSerious on Jul 13, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
double waylon'd!
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
ahhh… the rare “Double Waylon” is rarely seen this early in the day…
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
I can't even blame mobile commenting.
Just garbage attentiveness.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 13, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So we can keep saying Klinkhammer.
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To quote SERE school
“Small Victories, small victories”
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