Less Than Deep Thoughts
We've fully entered the summer doldrums these days, and other than Chris Campoli's arbitration hearing, the Parcheesi blockade that seems to constitute the Michael Frolik negotiations, and possibly a trade that probably isn't coming, there's not anything going on. Nor will there be. So every so often, I'll just put up a post about what's rattling around in my head to open up a new thread as others fill up, as Sam's Summer of Love On Second City continues (no, Killion and McClure are not dead, just taking a well-earned break. Well, a break nonetheless). Anyway, here's what I think.
-A lot of us were banking on one or two more moves to finish out the summer, namely a fourth line center and someone else to fill out the top six. A lot of us were getting frustrated that it is looking a lot less likely that they're coming. Still might, after all Turco and Pisani weren't signed until August (I think), but I've gotten past that. The most likely scenario is that either Marcus Kruger or Jeremy Morin are going to get the first crack at the second line. And i think that's fine. If they really do believe in Kruger, they probably should give him every chance. I didn't see anything, but the baseball fan in me was screaming, "Small sample size!" -- a phrase I hear far too often in scenarios I'd rather not, but that's another story for another time. It would be optimum if either Kruger or Morin or both proved that they can be long term solutions for these areas. It saves money, proves your system is producing, and keeps the ball rolling. If they don't work by Christmas, the Hawks will have flexibility to address these needs midseason, when other names might be available that aren't now. The briefest of glances show that Daymond Langkow or Tuomo Ruutu or Shane Doan are in the last year of deal on teams that very well might blow. I'm sure if I did more research even more enticing names would pop up.
-My dreams of Chris Drury are beyond the respirator at this point, but the lack of anyone showing interest probably means he's either more hurt than I thought, or everyone thinks he is. He probably doesn't sign until someone gets to run him through a pretty heavy medical or fitness test. But that's ok. I get the inkling that your 4th line center come October 7th is Ben Smith. Smith played a lot of center at Rockford, and some at BC. He's shown a brain, he can probably handle it. We'll see if he gets a look there at camp.
-You can add up the numbers of players signed, include Campoli and Frolik, and come to the conclusion that there are too many bodies and someone has to go. Me? I like it. Competition in camp will not be a bad thing. Last year, players had to play their way off the ice. Now? They have to play their way on it. Stalberg, Smith, Mayers, Bickell, Morin, and Kruger are all on notice. Don't produce, someone's already up with the big club to take your place. Look at how ineffective Pisani had to be to finally be scratched. That won't happen this season, if this is how they go forward.
-Hey, Patrick Kane made an appearance! Now let's start rumors!
-To end things, once again none of us are going to The Convention, so if any of you are and would like to write something up for us, do a Fanpost, email us, and we'll bump it to the front page. Enjoy the fat guys in Kane jerseys sweating on you and the north shore kids crying.
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Daymond Langkow or Tuomo Ruutu or Shane Doan
I like most of those names, Fels. Dominic Moore is another one to look at should the Bolts be selling some parts. Another guy in the last year of his deal with decent draw numbers.
Madden signed in August in ‘09 as you’ve mentioned too. I think Kuc bunked that Kaner wrist thing too.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jul 13, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
John Madden signed on July 2nd, 2009.
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And boom goes the dynamite
So much for my first comment… can I get a sad trombone over here?
by JesusMarianHossa on Jul 13, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
ROFL.... Boom goes the dynamite.
I don’t know if you saw it for real, or on Tosh.0, but the Tosh bit was freaking hilarious with that guy.
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Plaxico Burress to center the 4th line???
And what does Jaeckel mean when he says Kaner is “looking good”?
did you see the pics Jesse Rogers posted (its in the previous thread)
he looks like he’s been working out. I assumed that’s what Jaeckel meant.
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by justforkicks on Jul 13, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly this
He’s beefed up significantly. At least he’s taking the time to get in good shape. Taking the offseason seriously. I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised by Kaner next season.
he seemed committed when the playoffs were over
so its not really surprising, I think his desire to win and competitiveness can be really underestimated.
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by justforkicks on Jul 14, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that we have underestimated his competativeness and his desire to win
By we I don’t mean the people that post regularly at SCH, I mean we as in ‘Hawks fans and hockey fans and general. The general reputations that they’ve got throughout Chicago and really throughout North America amongst hockey fans are that Toews is the super serious, hyper-competitive one while Kane is mostly just a party boy. Most of the more knowledgeable fans realize that that is an unfair characterization of Kaner mostly due to a handful of unfortunate incidents that were massively over-reported (i.e. the cabbie dispute, the bar skank that photographed him and his Southwest boarding pass while he was asleep) and that he really is a dedicated and competitive professional athlete. I’m glad that he appears to be really focused this off season, if he’s working as hard as it appears that he is then he will explode next season and a lot of people probably will be surprised just not necessarily many of us that spend far too much time ignoring work to post here.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
it's sort of buying into the marketing
I mean, that’s how the Hawks package and market Kaner and Tazer to the fans. It’s not surprising it’s so easy to get caught up in, that’s the point of savvy marketing.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
It's like peanutbutter and Jelly
Can’t have one w/ out the other
Kane is my jelly and Toews is that peanutbutter. Both have great taste and work hard but each has a certain thing about them that we love. the media will always need something to write about.
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
i for one think
buy the notion that Kaner parties too hard. I also don’t think hard work and playing hard are mutually exclusive. I do think that the partying can be detrimental when done at the wrong times, however.
This meme is old and busted
Enough with the “Kaner’s a drunkard/cokehead/hangsoutwithcrackwhores” thing.
You're the only one to continue to harp on this
Better luck going over to PD and posting it there – they just love that crap. BTW, calling me “Dad” is hilarous, since you’re the one who seems impossibly fossilized with this kind of commentary. ’Hey you kids, PUT DOWN THAT BEER AND GET OFF MY LAWN! AND GET A GODDAMN HAIRCUT!"
AND QUIT SKATEBOARDING ON THE DAMN SIDEWALKS!
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by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
AND TURN DOWN THAT HIPPIE MUSIC!!
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
not sure why you're so troubled by this
or anything. It’s the interweb, pop. Have a beer and move on.
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Too many agains....again. It'll never happen again.
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Don't do that... again.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 13, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe you did that
again
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by Johnny Lava on Jul 13, 2011 8:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I can’t believe you’ve done this
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I love that video.
I had forgotten all about it.
by transienthawk on Jul 13, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd completely forgotten about it too, and then it just suddenly popped into my head when I read Johnny's comment
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not a baseball fan, and I don’t like football much. But I do like talking about hockey. I especially like it in hockey when my team wins the game.
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yeah
or even just a nice tic-tac-toe scoring play.
or a sick dangle.
i also like big saves from my goalie.
and crunching hits into the boards.
even a nice clearing pass, or a keep-in at the point.
or an aggressive dump and chase.
or a poke check at center ice.
or maybe a change on the fly.
/sigh
We like our people!
maybe, Fluffy massaging Westgarth's face.
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by Saskjet on Jul 13, 2011 7:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Cliff
Got a question for ya. Mind shooting me an email? jeffrey.bartl@gmail.com
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La la la la la.... Jeffrey is talking, but I'm not listening to Jeffrey. La la la la la.
;)
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I think Mayers might be pencilied in for 4C
unless another move is made. For what it’s worth, he doesn’t take that many draws anymore, but when he does he is pretty good at it. 55.4% at the dot since the lockout (on only 2384 draws).
What’s happening with RJ? I thought they might bring him back as a FOGO guy, but it looks like we have too many forwards already.
I think you answered your own question. The minute Mayers was signed I think RJ knew his fate. Too bad. I really like that guy. I mean, Inner Me knows that we were going to be icing a weaker-than-desired 4th line if he’s there full-time, but I’ll miss him all the same.
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He was dynamite on draws and would lay down in front of a snow-plough if coach asked him to block it. Other than that, a little weak for sure.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 13, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats because there has been ZERO indication that he will even be given a shot at making the team.
When Stan and Q are asked, its Smith-Kruger and Mayers who are being considered for the job.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
And wasn't McLean's a 2-way deal as well?
It seems far more likely that, unless Smith and/or Kruger and/or Mayers just look really bad in camp, that McLean’s going to start off and likely spend the brunt of the year in Rockford. My guess is that he’s been signed as more or less an insurance policy in case of rampant injuries or 4th line ineffectiveness.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
McLean is this year's version of Taffe.
The only way he’ll see time with the big club is if there’s a rash of injuries.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I just find it very hard to believe a guy who hasn't played NHL hockey in several years is going to step in a be a regular on a team with Cup aspirations.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
While I do agree
with everything that was said. I still think he will have the chance to win that spot (4C). I mean yeah he played the last 2 seasons in Sweeden, but he was the last person cut from the Ning last season, and his NHL numbers aren’t too too terrible.
By no means am I advocating this scenario, I just think it may turn out to be one of the more interesting battles in camp this season. Don’t get me wrong, I like Smith & Kruger, but am not even remotely convinced that either of them are ready for a full time spot as a pivot.
Sure Kruger didn’t have much chance to get in to a rhythm last season when he got called up, and I know that he didn’t make any glaring mistakes, but I didn’t really see any flashes of whatever SB & possibly Q have seen. As for Smith, I sang his praises after the 2nd to last game against SCUM and nearly got crucified on here for it, but again he has such a small sample size that IMO he is more of an unknown. Could he really be as good as he showed in the limited number of games he played, or was that the best he has to offer? If it is the best he has to offer, I have no problem with that as long as he brings that same intensity every shift.
Bottom line: I just don’t know!!!
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I'm not saying that you're wrong about McLean
but this is at least the 2nd time you’ve said this:
but he was the last person cut from the Ning last season
Who gives a shit? And why is this a point in his favor? So he was the last person cut from a decent team, that does nothing for me.
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knowing he wrote the 1971 classic “American Pie”?
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by K_Dog on Jul 14, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
However, he did not star in Arnold's 1996 holiday classic Jingle All The Way!
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by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
question about your new sig
Does that make the Panthers Iceland? Every once in a while they’ll blow their top and really fuck things up for everyone else (in this analogy, overspending to reach the cap floor = volcanic ash), but are otherwise generally ignored and some people regularly forget they even exist?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't we supposedly have people competing for spots last year too?
Couple of kids plus those who eventually ended up in the bottom six. And John Scott, who should belong in a category all his own. Anyway, the competition for spots is only good if there’s a fair amount of talent amongst the competitors. It’s like those Lemonhead games they run at the UC: yes, yellow won yet again, but at the end of the day all that gets you is cheap candy. The BEST cheap candy available, but still. You get the point.
Not saying the depth that we have is automatically foul, of course.
I do like that we have breathing room in the cap, but I think I’ll leave it until the season to decide if I think it’s worth it.
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yeah
but we added Brunette, so there’s only one top-6 spot open (vs. two last year.)
and, if Frolik signs, the 3rd line looks a lot more set than a year ago.
and, the people competing are a lot of the same people (Stalberg, Smith, Morin, Kruger, Beach?). Since they’re all a year older, it’s more credible, no?
finally, not singling you out, but there’s been a lot of “i’m gonna hang back on and suspend judgment. if this works out, i’ll climb aboard the express, but if it doesn’t, i’ll give Stan what for.”
To me, this feels like cheating. You must declare now!
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I’ll admit to being somewhat pessimistic, but only because strategically it’s better to be. If things are as shitty as feared at least I’m right, and if they’re better than expected then at least I’m happy. ;)
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by chiblackhawks on Jul 13, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I declare now: Good job by Stanbo.
I’m comfortable going into the season with our team today.
I hope Rusty Olesz turns into a pleasant surprise for us, and we have a solid top 6 without any of the holes.
It’d be great if Stan’s moves put our team back into top contention, but if not then I give him awesomely high marks for putting himself in a good position to make a move later and help the team out even more.
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I have yet to declare because it's not over.
There are still a lot of moves to be made, potentially. I can hardly declare the off-season a success or failure when I have an overwhelming sense of feeling like it’s not finished. Frolik isn’t signed. Fluffy’s still here. We’ve got more forwards than spots available.
Do I like what he’s done so far? Sure! I’m warming up to some of these moves absolutely. But there is no sense of off-season closure yet. I’ll get back to ya.
Exactly. It's still July.
Until pre-season camp starts, nothing can be declared.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah yeah yeah
Frolik and Campoli are works in progress but not wildcards. I presume Stan signs them for reasonable contracts ($4 million or so combined), and how this plays out will color my view of Stan’s job to a small extent.
The wild card is: will the Hawks pick up the top-6 guy they need? And nobody knows the answer to that. It’s a gamble with a lot of variables. Some people are on record as wishing the Hawks had added one of the expensaive FA options. Others say they are glad the Hawks didn’t.
The “wait and see” crowd wants it both ways, but you don’t get to see how the season goes, THEN go back in time and render your judgment on the Laich or Cole decisions. It doesn’t work that way.
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by cliffkoroll on Jul 14, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Is this thing on?
So you want to put a grade on the off-season, now based on the assumption that Frolik and Campoli will sign and that no other moves will be made, rather than wait until the off-season is over to see who actually ends up on the roster?
scaling back
perhaps my ambition should be more modest.
Yes, there are still moves to be made before handing in the report card on Stan’s summer.
But the outline is there, and some key decisions have been made, like not spending $4.5 million for a top-6 forward.
Those decisions should be evaluated now, not later. It’s too easy to say “In retrospect, Stan passing on Laich was a good idea because the Hawks landed Stoll.” or “Stan passing on Laich was a mistake, since he never found his top-6 forward.” because the Laich decision had to be made in the face of uncertainty about what would come down the pike.
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reading tip
if you come across a sentence that you want to latch onto, but it is followed by a paragraph beginning with the word “But…”
by all means, stop reading.
If you want to reserve judgment on key decisions that have come and gone, you might be an armchair genius.
We like our people!
I'm reserving judgement until the offseason is over.
I’m curious… what part of that don’t you understand?
Question - not opinion -
Couldn’t Brunette be a good fit with Bolland on the checking line?
by stanfordron on Jul 14, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I would shit my pants if Shane Doan became a Blackhawk.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 13, 2011 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
my pants too
would be covered in shit
Marcus Kruger? Sounds like one of them old time car horns, K-uger! K-uger!
by RobotToews on Jul 13, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed.
He’s pretty much a full grown man.
by Brady Haupt on Jul 13, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear no hint of exaggeration
in this comment, and I’m rec’ing it, because I would be the same. I’d walk straight into the pharmacy with a huge goddamn smile and a singsong whistle, and I’d heft a package of adult diapers under each arm and walk to checkout and I’d begin my short sweet speech: “Shane Doan, Ladies and Gentlemen, Shane Fucking Doan, keep the change.”
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by ChicoMaki on Jul 13, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
I am
Sitting at my desk and laughing my ass of because of this. My coworker just gave me that “I work with idiots” look. I think I may have pooped my pants a bit because I laughed so hard.
What I’m getting at is your comment needs to be green.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
I'm recin'ing this, because it's fucking brilliant.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Wishful thinking, there's no chatter
he’s just been brought up as someone who might turn out to be available at the deadline since he’s in the final year of his contract and unless everybody’s wrong and some things go amazingly right for them there’s a good chance that Phoenix will be sellers and unless everybody’s wrong and some things go horribly wrong for us we should be buyers come trade deadline time
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I think a lot of people
Would shit their pants if Doan was on their team. Myself included
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Love to see Doen!
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see this fanpost for some suggestions
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 13, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer Twits
it just fits them better.
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
Bob's on vacation right now
but Bob MacKenzie and Darren Dreger are the bees knees for news around the league.
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I like the combo of Tracey Myers, Adam Jahns, and the official Blackhawks twitter as the team specific sources.
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by transienthawk on Jul 13, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
speaking of twitter
does anyone else’s twitter feed get really laggy after some new tweets, ever since the site update?
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 13, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
"New Twitter" was really laggy for me pretty much all the time.
It’s what forced me to start using Chrome instead of Firefox (usually).
Really?
Even on this (ancient) laptop, twitter works pretty well with firefox.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jul 13, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
There's an excellent list
of professional hockeys players on Twitter maintained by Hockey Broad. Right now, the only current Blackhawk on Twitter is Jamal Mayers (@jamalmayers). I’ve heard (but have no idea if it’s true) that the Blackhawks forbid current players from using Twitter.
Of course, Paul Bissonette (BizNasty2point0) is Twitter-legendary. Some other of my personal favorite players’ accounts are Bobby Ryan (b_ryan9), Michael Grabner (grabs40) (he tweets fairly frequently and seems to like to interact with fans), and the infrequent but crazy Ilya Bryzgalov (bryzgoalie30).
If you enjoy sarcasm
and I assume you do since you frequent these boards, @CountBettman is one of my favorite tweeters
by CaptainSerious on Jul 13, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I've brought up the "Ben Smith for 4th line C" deal breifly before.
I think it’s a brilliant idea. Train the kid to have more of that coveted VERSATILITY! and flip him to wing on the higher lines when needed. Not sure how well he takes faceoffs, but Mayers can still be that guy on the 4th. If it were Carbomb/Smith/Mayers… that’s one fucking STOUT line.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 13, 2011 6:12 PM CDT reply actions
Oh, and I finally updated my avatar.
I know no one cares, but it took way longer than it should have, and I feel like I overcame some stupid obstacle. Hooray.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 13, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I care a lot
about transformers because there’s more than meets the eye
Let's Go Hawks!
by K_Dog on Jul 13, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like that they
change energy from one current to another… wait… _
we’re not talking about the same thing are we…
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Always makes me think of
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Now that is hilarious...
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Is it October yet?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 14, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Link to article about Chris Drury's knee.
http://www.secondcityhockey.com/2011/6/18/2231106/chris-drurys-career-over
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He was bought out, thus was healthy enough to do so. How bad the knee actually is, no one’s heard.
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I know, they just made it sound like it was pretty bad in that article...
Could have been propaganda so they could get rid of him…
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
He was bought out, but that says nothing about his health
He chose not to file a medical exemption, but he was injured enough that had he chosen to he could have prevented the Rangers from buying him out. The fact that he allowed the buy out could mean that he thinks he’ll be healthy enough to contribute to a team this year, or it could also mean that he might be done and would rather just retire than go on LTIR
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I know that thus far my girlfriend is happy with Stan's moves
Apart from adding balanced depth to the bottom lines and pairings, she’s happy he retained Stalberg and she is of the opinion that Montador is a solid addition to the ‘Hawks’ hunk squad.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jul 13, 2011 7:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Isles still 11M under the cap floor with only one arbitration hearing
Come on Stan, “starting in goal for YOUR New York Islanders…Cristobal Huet!!!”
chirp…chirp…chirp
by CjSax on Jul 13, 2011 8:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
but they have Nabakov
/whatevspelin
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by Johnny Lava on Jul 13, 2011 8:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, DiPietro!
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by FrankStallone on Jul 13, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Just have them ice
6 goalies…
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
meh on movement now
GM’s are waiting on resigning RFAs or arb hearings. After that we should see some action like last year.
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by Johnny Lava on Jul 13, 2011 8:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Saw this on Twitter... It's from Jesse Rogers so take out you grain of salt measuring cups...
A few choice quotes:
"Ben Smith played really well in the playoffs. He played a lot of center in Rockford. And [Marcus] Kruger. Both those guys were probably two of our more effective forwards in the playoffs. " – Bowman
It’s believed Joel Quenneville wanted Kruger to start last year with the Hawks and would have made him their third line center. Expect that to be his role when this season starts, which means Patrick Sharp doesn’t have to start the year in the middle. – Rogers
Ahhhhh so no Bolland on the third? I don’t know what I think about that.
it doesn't really matter which line bolland centers nominally
Because he’ll draw the important checking roles anyway?
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jul 13, 2011 9:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bolland on 2nd line vs. 3rd line
To me the regular season pairings really don’t matter that much because it seems like they will change for the playoffs anyways. Sharp could play all year on wing and then switch to Center for the 2nd line in the playoffs and Bolland would move to the 3rd line Center spot. This is why I hope they acquire a decent 2nd line Center at the deadline this year for a playoff run.
A lot of people get touchy about the Sharp 2C thing...
What they don’t seem to understand is, the reason people want a “hypothetical” new 2C is because Sharp would rather play wing. He said so himself a few times. He is a pro, he won’t pout or complain, just suck it up and go, thank god.
I personally have no problem with him at center, provided he can stay near or above 50% at the dot. But because I like Sharp so much, I hope they can solve the doughnut thingy so he can play wing.
Why can't the Sox beat the Twins?
Why can't the Cubs beat the Pirates?
Is it October yet?
The question about sharp at 2C
does it affect him possibly testing free agency where he can go to a team to be a 1LW? I hope not.
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
That too...
Why can't the Sox beat the Twins?
Why can't the Cubs beat the Pirates?
Is it October yet?
ESPN had something about hockey?
you must be kidding.
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
Was it in the last 3 minutes of the show?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
It was a 30 second spot
slotted between MLS and a squirrel on tiny waterskis
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I haven't watched 5 mins of SportsCenter in the last 6 months or so.
I record PTI everyday and watch it occasionally. But I can just go right to the DVR for that. ESPN has literally become unwatchable. With the NHL Network and Comcast there is no reason to even watch. Once football comes back Im sure Ill start tuning in more, but the Eastern Seaboard Programming Network as virtually disappeared from my daily routine…..and its been replaced by lots and lots of porn…….I mean Animal Planet!
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I always forget
That you guys get a different SportsCent(er) down there. Up here, SportsCentre is almost all hockey, all the time, during the season!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
We call that NHL Network
SportsCenter is more like oh yeah something happened with this little black disk last night, but we aren’t really sure what the rules are and we don’t care anyway.
Is it October yet?
NHL network
Doesn’t come with basic cable though right?
TSN does :). So we get the better SportsCent(re/er) and The Tudors on basic cable! booyah
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I keep meaning to ask my cable provider if there's any possible way to get TSN in my home
but I keep forgetting to call when I’d actually have the chance.
On a side note, in this day and age I find it to be flat out ridiculous that I can’t get local channels for a location at which I don’t live. I mean, now that all feeds are digital this really should not be anything even remotely complicated. I live in DC and get my cable from RCN, who also sell their services in Chicago. I really just fail to understand why I can’t pay a couple of extra dollars a month to receive the the Chicago CSN feed instead of (or alongside, either way whatever’s easier) the local DC CSN feed.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't know how it works in the US
But I know my parents have a package that gives them a lot of time-zone shifted channels, so they get the CBC’s and CTV’s from a bunch of different cities in Canada, and can watch the local games, etc.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
that's what she said
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats why I always said if they ever ban me from this country, Im moving to Canada!
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I just got off with a canadia client
and told her the same thing. I said I’m leaving for Canada if I need to leave. Fuck living in the heat of mexico. I wish their was a way I could get TSN. Maybe i’ll have to call DTV
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
You live
Down old Portugal way?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
If you're headed for Portugal it's due south!
What? No it isn’t!!!
Pretty much any sports channel recap leads with hockey up here
even if it’s to tell you that nothing has happened. It’s the best. Rolled to work this morning listening to Fan Radio and they talked exclusively about hockey rumours and hypothetical rosters for 20 minutes. Love it.
You are next.
Canada
Land of Awesome
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
No
But they pay me to make flattering comments on the internet about the country, and defend it from online attacks. Kind of like China!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Canada
many cities that aren’t burnt down.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 14, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha! Yes, very good sir.
Although, and I wouldn’t expect many to know this, there was a horrible forest fire in a northern Alberta town (Slave Lake) back in the spring in which half of it burnt to the ground. I think 7500 people have been displaced.
I remember a few news people commenting that those poor bastards have to deal with damaged lives (for years) where fools in Van City burn up the town because of a game. Crazy.
Anyways, I digress – you’re original post made me laugh.
You are next.
There were terrible fires just north of VAN a few years back
One almost consumed the area just north of Whistler.
I wish something with the radio was on here
Unless you have satellite radio I get nada but (the sport(s) that shall not be named)
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
I wonder
Does XM have any station(s) from Canada or that at least feature hockey more than the typical local msm sports channels?
Let's Go Hawks!
I think XM does
didn’t they all combine stations? I can’t remember but would have to ask my old man since he has it but I think they have an nhl stations where “nhl live” and all that is on everyday
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
XM
has a dedicated hockey station and also airs all of the games live. It pretty much rocks.
by CaptainSerious on Jul 14, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Cool
Unfortunately I’ll never find out how much it rocks, because I’m too cheap and stubborn to pay $14.00/month to listen to the radio. Maybe if I traveled a lot for work I could stomach the cost.
Let's Go Hawks!
But it is awesomeness to listen to every game.
Except, ya have to go out in your car and listen to it. But even better. Driving around town during the summer they play reruns of playoff games.
by neverhome30728 on Jul 14, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Home Ice is so awesome.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Home Ice is solid
And they also have three Canadian sports radio stations (which is 75% hockey talk), along with every game. The also have a pretty badass Canadian Indie Rock radio station
by warrenjm2006 on Jul 14, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never had (or been exposed to) XM radio...
…so I couldn’t tell you what’s available. I would imagine TSN Radio (new this spring) occupies a satellite radio channel somewhere. Part of the Rogers Sportsnet empire (aside from regional Sports networks – that can all be added to your cable package regardless of where you live – also awesome) is the AM radio Fan network. In Calgary it’s 960. Pretty good, mostly Flames hockey but they delve into just about anything hockey related for hours on end. I know it streams over the internet machine and I believe the other regional ones do as well…
You are next.
Worth a look for sure.
Be warned that, pretty much, all of them pick up Jim Rome between 10am-1pm (MST). Not that it’s bad but probably wasteful to stream something that is nationally syndicated on virtually every sports network out there (or so it seems).
You are next.
The first three...
I was pleasently surprised, and it was the only time someone not named Dirk Nowitzki won something Dirk was nominated for.
Gotta believe Beach is somewhere in the mix on opening night.
Morin, Smith, Kruger and Beach.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson
I would like to see what Beach could do
but it seems incredibly doubtful that he will be on the opening day roster. He needs to pull his head out of one of his orifices quickly, and I think the best place to do that is in Rock Vegas. In addition our roster is getting pretty full without the inclusion of Beach.
Doin the FRANKENSTEIN
Beach has 1 more year
I think this is the year where he has to prove himself that he can keep his cool and start producing. Not 30 goals but just show that he is more than an idiot on ice. I remember being far too excited when they drafted him and now I’m dissapointed. I hope he pulls his shit together because he would be fun to watch.
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
Way to soon to give up. Way to late to hold onto 2nd coming of Al Secord hopes.
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He will be kept on the big club
Then traded to the islanders along with Frolik and Olesz for, yes, I’m thinking, you know what I’m thinking, John Tavares.
I think maybe my expectations have just slowly been disolved
I haven’t lost all hope and would love to eat crow if proved wrong, thats why at least for now to me he has this last year in rockford to finally show a little something.
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
You never know
But his window with The Hawks is not as open as it could have been.
DALE! send players, you can have Kyle for Versteeg.
Its only been 2 seasons since we drafted him.
Its too early to give up all hope.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
well I hope...
your right, like i said. I’ll gladly be wrong.
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
When do top 15 picks usually make it to the NHL?
Skille just made it last year, barely. I think it’s time to cut ties. I too hope I’m wrong. The kid is 6’3" 202lbs. Needs to add 25 lbs of smart.
Skille is a bust, plain and simple
a 7th overall pick in 2005, he should have been a regular contributor 4 years ago at least. The fact that he could barely crack the 4th line in his 6th season after being drafted says a lot
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
TALLON STILL BELIEVES.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
the positive that can be drawn from this however is that our system isa deep enough
That it doesn’t really matter that much whether or not Beach ever pans out.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jul 14, 2011 12:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Everybody see this Goal of the Year candidate
Degree of difficulty: 10.5...very slick
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 9:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That goalie was like WTF???
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 9:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Poor Grecian defenders....Chelios needs to get over there and
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phone fail
and teach them a thing or too. After all, he taught the Greeks how to bobsled.
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Yeah!! Chelios must
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 9:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Timing fail
Hjammer recovers too fast for lame rejoinder
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 9:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I WIN!
Vancouver Canucks - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Detroit Red Wings : China
by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Sick goal? Totally. High level of difficulty too - I know I couldn't pull that move off in a million years
but not be a downer or anything, it’s a lot easier to pull off that sort of move in a game when most of the guys that you’re playing against would have difficulty making a US high school JV team
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you post the same thing on Puck Daddy?
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by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I did indeed
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
eh i'm just looking at style and skill
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 14, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
So does that mean I can buy one of those Israeli hockey jerseys?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
I do like it
Make them play 4th line. Learn how to play hard and tough in the NHL. The kid, if paired with the right players will be hard to play against.
Red Wings
Are the easiest team to root for, apparently
I think they mean “if you already are a fan”, but still
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I find it painfully hard to cheer for the wings
While I may respect the team, I sure as hell always have hated them. I was born and raised this way. While my hate for other teams (aka canucks,philly,blues) I just figured out more on my own.
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
I've known Green Bay and Detroit were no good since I was a wee lad.
You can report parents who don’t instill this hate into their children here
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Detroit Red Wings : China
by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
Yeah my dad always said, if you dont hate GB, Detroit and Cubs…you can move out. I dont want this getting out of control but I liked the article it was pretty funny seeing it. Wonder where we would be on this list 5 years ago
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
Grew up in P'Ville
Green Bay fan from day 1. Dad went to St. Norbert in the early 60’s (60-61), then the SOB transferred to scUM (Michigan). Anyway, Wore Donny Anderson PJ’s growing up. Wanted to play like John Brockington.
However, I also had Gordie Howe Pj’s, but never became a Wings fan. I just have good taste.
Let me also add that I was a die hard Yankees fan as a kid
Liked the Cubs and Sox too. It was in 1984, while playing Legion ball that I became a Cubs fan. Was on 290 coming back from a game in Cicero when Ryno went 5-5. That went away with Sosa. Prior, Woods, and Gonzo put the stake in the heart of my Cubness. My Yankee love is coming back, if they would just unload A Rod.
Now about The Hawks.
Fellow Packer fan on here?!
Thought I was the only one…
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
You realize that rooting for the Yanks is akin to
rooting for the Borg. I mean, it takes absolutely nothing to root for that team, there is literally next to no risk with it. A friend of mine has always rooted for the Yanks, and she’ll never admit that it’s only because she likes rooting for the perennial frontrunner.
It's like being a Lakers fan...
or a fan of the Cowboys…
Or the Wings.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
i don't think
you can compare the yankees to any other team. they will and should be rightfully hated by everyone outside of new york. their historical and modern world series wins/al pennants are simply unparalleled and only montreal can come close to the sheer amount of titles won by a team (although professional hockey seems to have had a lot less teams in its leagues in comparison, and thus a better chance of winning championships for those teams).
but in each other league, there is another team that is close to the top title winner in their league (toronto for hockey, boston-LA in basketball, pitt-dallas in football). but in baseball, it isn’t even close. given their ridiculous spending, ability to commandeer talent, and winning ways year in year out, and you have the makings of a truly detestable franchise.
in the words of mike royko, “Hating the Yankees is as American as pizza pie, unwed mothers, and cheating on your income tax.”
You can het the franchise.
You have to respect the play. That is what I’m after.
I don’t like the Red Wings, but I respect how they play. Same for the Canadiens of my youth, the Oilers, Celtics, and Lakers of the ’80’s, I don’t have to be a fan of the owner or GM of any of these teams, but I admire the way the play their respective games and therefore am a fan of the team. Hatred of a team because they win is just jeleousy. You are jelous of something another team has that your team never will.
Regarding the Red Wings, it’s not their hockey team I despise, it’s the asshole fan that wears an octopus hat without knowing what it means that piss me off. Every team has them. Look at the UC. They whistle on a breakout when up by 3 goals. FUCK! I hate those people, but I don’t hate The Hawks
I thought of this last night, if the Cubs and Yankees played in the WS, I would expect the Yankees to win, but would want the Cubs to. Love both teams. One disappoints and blames a fan, the other disappoints and goes out to win again. I hope the Cubs win some time during my life. I have to say I never thought I’d see the Sox win the WS and it happened. I knew the Hawks would.
So what I like the Yankees. One of my kids likes the Yankees and Notre dame (the little asshole). Those are his teams.
I should have been more specific,
I don’t really have a problem with a Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers or Wings FAN, I have a problem with the douche who who doesn’t know that there are no quarters in a Hockey game and just wears the hat or the jersey as a fashion statement…
To each their own.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
The Yankees won most of the titles during the reserve clause era
So spending was not the issue. It was winning.
anyway
that day the Bears beat the Packers 61-7 and cost the incomparable incompetent Bart Starr his job- good times.
You probably wet your Donny Anderson PJs for a week.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 14, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
stupid !@#$%^& webcam!
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 14, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm sorry laaarmer
your revelation that you were a Yankee fan who miraculously became a Cub fan in 1984 has underminded your credibility.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 14, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
No it was not miraculous, I said I liked the Cubs and Sox too.
The Cubs caught your attention that 1984 season with the daily double etc. Ryno is my favorite all time player. I’m still pissed at Steve Garvey, that popeye armed son of a bitch.
Now, you can’t not appreciate Jeter. He plays the game the way it should be played.
Toews is a lot like Jeter. Just as solid a player as their is. I love watching Toews play
Nice
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
3000 hits?
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
by DesertHawk on Jul 14, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dad was huge Mantle fan.
How good were the Yankees in the late ’60’s early ’70’s? Pathetic at best. I liked them anyway. Grandpa hated Jack Brickhouse. The Cubs were entertaining though. Steve Swisher, Steve Onteveros, Ron Santo, Ernie, Billy, Glenn Beckert (he lived nearby me). I knew their whole lineup every year. I still have my 1972 Cubs signed ball, even though I used it to play .500.
i tease
friends? shake?
/extends hand
/sucker punch
stupid packer fan.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 14, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
By the way
I only wish the bears to lose two reg season games and one playoff, should they play the Pack.
So you have that going for you, which is nice……
no
it would be kinda like saying Bart Starr was a lousy coach.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 14, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just going to ask
Why you hadn’t changed your sig yet, but now I notice that you either just did, or just recently did. Thank you, it was bugging me before
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Why did it bug you?
I changed it because it seems like Vancouver is a more short term annoyance while Detroit still poses the biggest threat.
Vancouver Canucks - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Detroit Red Wings : China
by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You've just been
Quite vehemently anti-Canuck recently, so I thought the Canucks would have taken the Wings place, seeing how you at least have respect for them…
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
The Red Wings are still enemy #1
However, the possibility exists for other teams to move to the top of the hate scale from time to time. But only for a temporary period.
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Detroit Red Wings : China
by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
15 years from now, virtually no one currently in the Canucks organization will still be there
AV, GMMG, the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Bieksa, Rome, Luongo will be distant memories and we’ll all revert from vehemently despising them from the bottom of our hearts to mostly not caring about them unless either we’re playing them or they’re playing in a game that somehow has playoff implications for us (a la the Minnesota-Dallas season finale this year in which we all rooted for Minnesota so that we would be the 8th seed instead of Dallas). But 15 years from now we’ll still hate the Red Wings. That’s the thing, our hatred of the Red Wings has to do with the entire institution whereas our hatred of the Cannots is merely due to the current make-up of the organization from top-to-bottom.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, thats sort of what I was trying to get at.
However, its not necessarily true. If the Wings go East, we’ll see them once a fucking year…..and we will have to hate some new rival…which will not be the same.
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Detroit Red Wings : China
by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I figured that's what you meant
I was just trying to expand on it. Maybe you’re right that if the Wings move east the hate will fade, I hope you’re wrong because they’re really fun to hate but mostly I hope that it doesn’t come up in the first place
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
As an outside,not in Chicago, observer
could some of that hatred be city to city rivalry?
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Who hates Detroit the city right now?
They’re already at the bottom of the trash heap of cities
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yeah
There’s no real animosity city-to-city (that I know of). It’s mostly just sports related:
Blackhawks/Redwings
Bears/Lions
White Sox/Tigers
Bulls/Pistons
Let's Go Hawks!
City to city
animosity wasn’t really what I was goin for. But my brain is failing me right now and I can’t figure out a way to explain what I was goin for. I’ll reattack later if I figure it out.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Detroit is a wildly interesting city
I’d definitely live there.
...not sure if serious?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
absolutely
there are obviously issues with the city, but have you ever been there? Experienced it’s good things? There are tightly knit neighborhoods within the loosely set areas that are reverting back to natural landscape. The loose (and rough) outlines of what was there combined with the idea of void or gap is soemthing I find intoxicating.
Ideally the city would be safer, enjoy better schools and be better served by public transport, but I could leave NYC for Detroit and never look back.
That's an unfair comparison
I could leave NYC for a fucking EPA toxic site in Cleveland and never look back. Of course it’s possible that I may have an uncommonly high level of hatred for NYC, but trust me it’s well-earned
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
So... whadda ya got against Cleveland?
Why can't the Sox beat the Twins?
Why can't the Cubs beat the Pirates?
Is it October yet?
the fact that it's Cleveland?
what more do you need?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
The lake catches fire ONE TIME, and nobody can let it go.
Alas, poor Cleveland.
Why can't the Sox beat the Twins?
Why can't the Cubs beat the Pirates?
Is it October yet?
I know, it seems unfair
but what can I say, I enjoy a good grudge-holding
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Problem is,
other than when sports teams/superstars leave, that’s about the only time anyone’s heard of Cleveland.
That's not true
people also hear about Cleveland when the Cayahoga River catches fire because hey, river of fire!
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
not to mention that in those days...
even the Chicago River would catch on fire on occasion.
But it won't be the same will it
if they move divisions in ’12. The hate will disperse over time, given the old adage of familiarity breeding contempt.
Vikings - Cardinals - Blues - Pistons
Tarkenton
Lou Brock trade and the fucking success
St. Louis – music notes
Bill Laimbeer , Rick Mohorn, etc
Ahh, something Packers fans and I agree on: hatred of the Vikings!
Actually, where I grew up, football fans were generally split between Vikings and Packers. In a strange reversal, I think I turned my dad into a Bears fan (instead of inheriting Packers fandom from him). While I love the Bears-Packers rivalry semi-carnally, the Vikings have always been Football Enemy #1. Fuck all that and the Metrodome, too.
*Hockey-related content: At the moment for me I think the Red Wings are to the Packers as the Canucks are to the Vikings.
I don't hate the Pack nearly as much as the Viqueens
And their attitude hasn’t won anyone else over, either – every year that sense of entitlement with nothing to back it up, reminds me of the Nucks quite a bit.
by Waylon on Jul 14, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're kidding, right?
I remember Charles Martin and that asshole Forrest Gregg, but time fades that kind of memory.
Yet, at the same time
I still think of the Vikes as just a pissant expansion team.
by stanfordron on Jul 14, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's very clear that the list is talking about easiest to cheer for
in terms of placating their local fan bases. It’s “how easy is it for Detroit fans to root for the Red Wings as compared to how easy it is for Phoenix fans to root for the Coyotes”, not “how easy is it for a fan of another team to root for Detroit say, for example, if his/her actual favorite team has already been eliminated”. In terms of that, then yeah it makes perfect sense that the Wings would be the easiest team for a local fanbase to get behind given how consistently successful they’ve been for the last 2 decades
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah
I put that underneath the link :)
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I see that and raise you a
fuck you detroit…
I get it, it was easy for people to pull for them since they have won countless years. However to me, all that does is piss me off
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
I know this was already posted, but it does raise some questions
Bowman on his young centers (posted by Sludgefest)
“We wouldn’t have done some of the other things I thought we needed to do if we went out and spent $3.5 million on a center.”
Stoll makes 3.6, maybe they did already check him out, and decided not to go that route. The Flieschmans and Laichs pulled in 4.5, so he might not even be talking about them here.
It’s believed Joel Quenneville wanted Kruger to start last year with the Hawks and would have made him their third line center. Expect that to be his role when this season starts, which means Patrick Sharp doesn’t have to start the year in the middle.
That’s Jesse’s thought right there, so it’s not coming from Bowman, but if it’s true that both Smith and Kruger could start the year with the big club, then I’m not sure what that will mean for Olesz.
Brunette-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Bolland-Hossa
Bickell-Kruger-Frolik
Mayers-Smith-Carcillo
Olesz could compete for Bickell or Frolik’s spot (or take Fro’s spot if he’s not resigned). I still don’t know if I buy Kruger making this team, but we’ll see, and this Smith at 4th line center situation sounds like it will probably happen unless Smith has a bad camp.
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I shaky on that third line.
It also flies in the fact of what Q said the other day about the Hawks being a special team with Bolland on the 3rd line.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
for sure
it’d be a high risk play (offensively), but if they believe that much in Kruger, I’d consider letting him center Sharp and Hoss and leaving bolland with Bickell and Fro.
All this uncertainty w/ young centers could be avoided by trading for Stoll (1 year left on his deal) and letting Kruger spend the year proving himself in Rock Vegas, but it doesn’t sound like that’s going to happen.
I also just realized that this configuration doesn’t include stalberg. If he’s here, I assume he’ll be getting time on the fourth line as well.
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It certainly seems Stan wants to watch the early part of the season to figure out what he really has.
I’d assume Stalberg-Mayers and Carcillo will rotate on the wings for our 4th line. I hope Kruger spent some time bulking up like Kane this offseason if he is going to C Sharpies and Hossa. Somebody needs to get the puck on that line and Id rather it not be Hossa!
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by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It’ll be interesting to see if Stalberg’s play on the 4th line changes at all skating with Mayers and Carcillo. Pure eye test, but last season I got the feeling our 4th line players were often there with the feeling that they were auditioning for top-6 duty. As a dedicated 4th-liner who knows that’s where his role is, with JM and DC, I wonder if we’ll see a more feisty Stalberg, a more effective one (even if not as “high” scoring).
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Is this the first time a player has been suggested to do
something like Kane?
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by justforkicks on Jul 14, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
and if an Olesz buyout is possible, Bowman's statement about a center at 3.5 is BS
(can’t access capgeek right now, so I’ll have to do this the hard way)
Kane-Toews-Brunette = 14.6 mil
Hossa-Stoll-Sharp = 12.8 mil
Fro (2mil)-Bolland-Bickell = 5.9 mil
Stalberg-Smith-Mayers-Carcillo = 3.0 mil
Keith-Seabs = 11.4 mil
Leddy-Hammer = 4.7 mil
Campoli (2.5)-Montador-Odonnell = 6.1 mil
Crow-Salak = 3.3 mil
Olesz buyout = 0.4 mil
22 man roster @ 62.2 mil. 2.1 mil still left over. (obviously all contingent on an Olesz buyout)
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It would be nice
to have some clue what is gonna’ happen with Olesz. Jahns reported Tuesday that Olesz would be given every opportunity to prove himself at camp.
What is the time frame for the buyout period in regards to RFAs going to arbitration? If he will have every opportunity at camp, wouldn’t that be too late to buy out?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
The buy-out isn't gonna happen.
The ship has sailed according to Stan.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain that the 2nd buyout period
for teams with RFA’s that go to arbitration (i.e. the ‘Hawks) takes place in early August, which is well before training camp. Either he’s not going to be bought out (likely) or the idea that he’ll have “every opportunity at camp” is just Stan blowing smoke up our asses again (possible but doesn’t seem likely)
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I never thought
he would be bought out. I was just curious about the timing of everything should a buy out come to pass. Thanks for the info
No worries, this was the plan all along!
It's a moot point now
You need to have 2 RFAs actually go to arbitration to activate that buyout period in August. Since Stalberg resigned, our only RFA with an arb hearing is Campoli.
I might be wrong here, but I think there’s another buyout window just before the season starts, after camp. It’s possible if the Hawks don’t like what they see from Olesz in camp he gets bought out then.
Yeah, I definitely just echoed you below.
Stupid me for not reading.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Kruger
I just don’t coming in and stepping right into the #2 center role. Small sample sizes I know but Bolland has that checking line down and even if Sharp/hossa/bolland on same line and maybe they get that assignment. I just as of this moment haven’t seen him enough to feel he can do that role. 4th line center? now were talking or even 2 line center to start (sounds crazy but the “3rd line” center w/ the checking line role just doesn’t seem like a reality right now)
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
The one thing I'm warming up to with Freddy
is that he’s a playmaking/set-up style center. We need that on the 2nd line, and if he grows up fast, he’s a cheap in-house option and under contract for another year after this season.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
He looked like he started to fit in
When he first got here, he was pretty much invisible, natch. But as the play-offs worn on, I felt like the kid looked like he fit in a bit more. Confidence will do that.
Indeed
and keep in mind, the kid is 20, and didn’t play much in a North American rink before joining the ’Hawks…
I thought he progressed fantastically in the span of half a season.
by transienthawk on Jul 14, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Olesz
Did I miss something? On the Hawks’ website he is listed as being on IR. I don’t remember hearing anything about an injury; maybe I wasn’t paying attention with all the frenzy over Campbell leaving.
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Did StanBo read that article before the trade?
Not a lot of Panther love for Olesz in the comments there
To be fair
it is the comment board of a paper. Not usually a harbor for intellectualism.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been entertaining
the idea of Bolland as 2C recently, too. But I remembered today that Q was quoted not too long ago specifically stating that Bolland is his 3C. If I remember correctly, he said something to the tune of “you’re looking good if Dave Bolland is your third center.” Until there’s some sort of indication that Bolly is gonna move up, I’d say he’s entrenched on the 3rd.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
The best part about that? Its a FRIDAY!
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by HjammerTime on Jul 14, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
No.
The best part about that is I will be there!! Can’t wait to see how the boys look in their first game. Usually I get to see them a few months in after they are tired or injured in one way or another. It’s gonna’ be nice to see them all with fresh legs.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
That's awesome. I was in Dallas for opening night last season against Detwat.
Dallas won, but Im not sure many people in the building cared.
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No, Im a Chicagoan but I have a few friends who moved down there.
I went down there last year. Great city.
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I've been there
to see games about a dozen or so times, always have a good time when I’m there. The Stars’ fans are cool for the most part, always willing to engage in some friendly shit talking.
It’s not nearly as fun as going to the UC and the old stadium when I was growing up, but it’s the best I get down here.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I have no idea what tickets are like in Dallas. But I’m pretty sure there’s only a few NHL cities that are more expensive than the Hawks. Of course, we get what we pay for [A1 performance]
Well I live in Texas and the only chance I have to see a game is in Dallas
It also doesn’t hurt that the season opener is right after my birthday.
O/T
Rozner gets a lot of crap here, most of it deserved. But then he writes something like this and you really have to stand up and give him a slow clap
On board with Team Live Bad Ass
Damn, Barry.
Someone strapped on his big boy boots today. Very poignant piece.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I made a biiiiiig mistake
I read the comments
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jul 14, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
rookie mistake
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh me too, bad idea
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by justforkicks on Jul 14, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
it's a great way to destroy any remaining faith you might have had in humanity
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
no kidding,
i’m not sure why i possibly thought otherwise
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by justforkicks on Jul 14, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a great piece (which is odd for Rozner, but gotta give credit where credit is due)
and I’m really happy to see such an article from a mainstream sports reporter. There is however one point he makes that I slightly disagree with. Rozner makes the comparison that using a homophobic slur is no different than using a racial slur (which I fully agree with) but his example is “what if someone called one of his black teammates the n-word” which I don’t think is an apt example. The thing is, in these cases that we hear about and turn into big news (like Guillen’s rant 5 years ago that Rozner talks about), the target of the slur is not actually homosexual him or herself and the offender can skate by with his superficial apology and claim that he meant no disrespect to the gay community.
One of the things Rozner does bring up is that many people are failing to understand why such slurs are hurtful or bad, which is why I propose that a much more appropriate rhetorical example would be to ask how we’d react if an athlete called his white teammate the n-word. The answer is pretty obvious if you think about it for even a moment – there would be just as much outrage over its use, and the athlete would certainly not be able to get away with claiming that he meant no disrespect to the black community. In my opinion, that’s a much better way to frame it to help people understand that Kobe Bryant calling a ref a f** is no less offensive or inappropriate simply because the ref isn’t actually gay than Ozzie Guillen calling Paul Konerko the n-word would be.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Out of curiosity
Are you saying that because you agree with me and don’t think anything more needs to be said, because you disagree with me, or for another reason?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm assuming because this is a hockey blog
and discussions like this can go south or take over really, really quickly.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
except
the n-word doesn’t ACTUALLY mean black. Sure, certain types of people use it like it does, but it doesn’t. It’s a specific slur used AGAINST black people. People who use the n-word are equating blackness with the n-word, in effect saying there is something wrong with it and that being black is bad, wrong and worthy of scorn.
Which is exactly what using that homophobic slur does, only toward gay people. It equates what they’re doing and homosexuality as a whole with that slur, in effect saying there is something wrong with it and that being gay is bad, wrong and worthy of scorn.
So love what you are, not what you would like to be.
I disagree that the n-word doesn't ACTUALLY mean black
the n-word as we know it is derived from the word “negro”, which is Spanish for the color black and was as we all know itself formerly used to classify African-Americans. Otherwise, I agree with your overall point that the the whole idea behind using a slur is to equate that person to the negative and wrong stereotypes that are associated with said slur.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
skags tried once
now let’s actually end this discussion. Just because Rozner wrote it doesn’t mean it’s hockey related.
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Ok ok, I'm done
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
But but
Etymology….
/linguist’d
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I really wish I had stopped at the article and hadn't read the comments though
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by justforkicks on Jul 14, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Bolland as 2C
I know we all love Bolland’s shutdown abilities at 3C, but wasn’t he something of a prolific scorer before he joined the Hawks? In fact, I seem to recall there being some disappointment at his lack of scorng prowess at the NHL level. Am I “misremembering”? Maybe Stan/Q have plans for Bolland to get his chance as high scoring centerman between Sharp and Hossa.
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He was certainly an offensive dynamo in juniors
I mean, he scored 130 points in just 59 games – a very nice 2.2 PPG average – during his last season in the OHL. Of course, it’s not exactly uncommon for a player who was a scorer in juniors or in college to play a completely different role in the pros. For example, John Madden was a mostly offensive player in college, averaging better than a PPG for his final 3 years at Michigan before re-defining himself as a perennial Selke candidate with the New Jersey Devils. I think that’s the same thing that Bolland has done, but the difference is that he’s more offensively skilled than Madden ever was.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You're correct
And I have no problem with Bolly being tried out at 2C. Yes he’s maybe one of the best checking line centers in the league, but I think it’s fair to say it’s easier to find a good 3C than a 2C. Both Bolland and Hossa’s most offensively productive streaks last season were when they played together in February and March.
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Since the subject was brought up, three of my favorites:
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
“When I found the skull in the woods, the first thing I did was call the police. But then I got curious about it. I picked it up, and started wondering who this person was, and why he had deer horns.”
“To me, it’s a good idea to always carry two sacks of something when you walk around. That way, if anybody says, “Hey, can you give me a hand?”, you can say, “Sorry, got these sacks.”
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by K_Dog on Jul 14, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman
after school we’d all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he’d eat one of us. It wasn’t until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesse sez: Frolik to attend Blackhawks convention...
This means…What?
Link:http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blackhawks
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by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 2:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Link fail
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blackhawks
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by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 2:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There are any number of conclusions one could draw
It could mean that he’s closer to being re-signed than we’ve been led to believe and that he’s almost in the fold, it could be an attempt on his part to be like "check it out Stan, the fans love me, this is why you should sign me for “x” that I’ve been asking for instead of “y” that you’ve been offering", or it could mean something completely different, or it could mean absolutely nothing
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
One would hope so
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Kuc posted
that negotiations have just begun between SB & Campoli & Fro so who knows
No worries, this was the plan all along!
...or something in between
I think he can be safely penciled in for next year at least
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by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 2:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm concluding that it means he's signed
Saying “come meet the players and cheer for them” when one is in fact, NOT a member of the team would be pretty absurd.
If he’s actually going to the convention – he’s likely been signed.
by transienthawk on Jul 14, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
...and they are keeping this a secret why?
Dowell and Ryan Johnson were doing charity events for the Hawks over summer as FA’s….what conclusions could we draw from that? Nothing.
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As of July 1, no, they're not
Johnson’s not a part of any team at the moment, and Dowell is a Dallas Star
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, well then yes they are
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
We lost another Johnson? - we're definitely not and NBA team...
Why can't the Sox beat the Twins?
Why can't the Cubs beat the Pirates?
Is it October yet?
Oh, boy.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Both sides agreeing to terms
and it being essentially a ‘done deal’ doesn’t mean that all the appropriate paperwork has been signed, filed, and approved by the NHL. Might not be a ‘secret’ but merely a matter of formalities.
The conclusions I drew from their charity work? Before July 1, they were still considered Blackhawks. After July 1, I bet you didn’t hear squat about them doing charity FOR the ’Hawks.
by transienthawk on Jul 14, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But even still, if that's the case there's no need to keep it secret
there have been plenty of reports about different players and team having agreed to terms but the player having not actually officially signed a contract yet. If that were the case with Frolik why wouldn’t they report it as such?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Because it's only been a matter of hours?
Many writers are on vacation or not on top of every little story?
It’s not exactly a secret if he’s included on a list of 2011-12 Blackhawks players attending the convention, is it?
by transienthawk on Jul 14, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with the notion that agreeing on terms with one of the 2 remaining RFA's,
both of whom are widely considered to be not irreplaceable but certainly important, would really be a “little story”. I feel like if they actually had agreed on terms we’d have seen a tweet from Tracy Meyers or Sassone or someone like that. The only conclusion that I think we can really draw is that while they may not have the exact framework of a new deal agreed upon they’re at least close enough that both sides are confident that Frolik will be a ‘Hawk in 2011-’12
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Frolik would essentially round out the forward corps for this Hawks team.
It would be big news for the Twitter folks like Myers and Sassone….and mega-dork Chris Kuc.
If they had a deal, Bowman would be eager to announce it.
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Why must people nitpick everything on this site?
I’m concluding… if he’s actually going to the convention… likely been signed.
It was simply my opinion, and I am still comfortable with my conclusion.
I have noted your disagreement with it, however.
by transienthawk on Jul 14, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
you have been commenting on this site for a long time now
and you don’t know that each and everything we say is analyzed, spell checked or the grammar policed or wayon’d…feel like i’m missing something
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Creating the illusion of value
Why must people nitpick everything on this site?
Answer: Creating the illusion of value.
Just win the next game...!
According to every report he's not signed
but I think the most logical conclusion is that the fact that he’ll be at the convention means the 2 sides are probably not as far apart as we’ve been led to believe and both sides think he’ll be signed before the convention
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Nevermind, being that I'm in DC and had no plans on attending
I didn’t realize that it was this weekend until actually going to the ‘Hawks website. So yeah, not so much with the expectation that he’ll be signed by the time the convention, but the premise that both sides probably believe they’ll reach an agreement and he’ll sign soon still stands
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, the website now does list Frolik as one of the current 'Hawks who's scheduled to attend
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think everyone can agree that at the very least, this cannot be a bad thing.
….or they lied to him and told him it was an eyebrow convention.
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Did they lie to O'Donnell too
and tell him it was a “squint and try to look extremely tired and/or old” convention?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Or a Star Trek convention?
Dude resembles a Klingon…not in a bad way, but, yeah
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by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 2:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lets not beat around the bush here....Michael Frolik is an ugly, ugly man.
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But maybe not to a young lady Klingette?
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by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 3:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No, seriously, look at his forehead, he has a ridge there, like a Klingon, not like a Vulcan...
Er, VULCANIZED RUBBER, LIKE A PUCK!!!
/Almost OT’d but U-turn’d to “hockey- related”
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by Saskjet on Jul 14, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't see his ears with the helmet and all...
Why can't the Sox beat the Twins?
Why can't the Cubs beat the Pirates?
Is it October yet?
let's just send Frolik Brandon Sutter's new contract and call it good
it’s a year longer than I’d like, but the number isn’t bad………3 years 6.2 mil.
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A $2.067M cap hit? Sounds perfect
I don’t necessarily disagree that 2 years would be preferable to 3, but IMO that would certainly be a fair deal both for Frolik and the ‘Hawks and throwing in the extra year doesn’t really hurt. Hell, if the ‘Hawks signed Fro to a similar deal and he played more up to his offensive potential in the first 2 years than he did this past season then we’d be talking about how great of a bargain he is going into year 3
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by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I sort of think Stan wants him to just play on his 1 year contract.
We hold all the leverage. Let Frolik play a contract year when were trying to win a Stanley Cup. It will get the best out of him and Stan can get a much larger body of work to judge him on before he hands him out a long term contract.
If he doesn’t like it, let him go to Europe. Its his only other option.
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well, I would think that Stan had already evaluated Fro before trading for him
but I don’t disagree with your statement, I would rather see Fro get a 1 year deal rather than a 3 year deal.
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Hey!
Enjoy the fat guys in Kane jerseys sweating on you and the north shore kids crying
I’m one of those guys in the Kane Sweater. Well, it’s a Keith sweater, but your barbs sting just the same.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jul 14, 2011 3:37 PM CDT reply actions
OMFG
have you read Roger’s Mailbag? It’s awesome.
Example:
Q: Should the Hawks try to play Scott on the power play during training camp and the preseason and use him as a screen and maybe he could get some garbage goals we so desperately need? — John (Vernon Hills, Ill.)
A: I don’t see why not
On board with Team Live Bad Ass
Wow, that's just special
Q: Should the ’Hawks try to trade for Derek Roy and play him in goal since his last name is Roy?
A: Fuck it, why not
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
As long as he comes with an indominate attitude about.. everything
and a willingness to talk to inanimate objects. That’s worth a Cup win at least.
Hawks!
by BlackhawksFan22 on Jul 14, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Royt?!
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
by snibbodmot on Jul 14, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here is the whole quote:
" I don’t see why not. It’s training camp. I know Quenneville likes him on the ice, and he wouldn’t be the first big guy to stand there as long as he can show some hands, which he hasn’t to this point. The power play has some openings with the loss of Brouwer and even Tomas Kopecky as well as Brian Campbell. I do think Brunette will end up being the guy in front of the net as well."
Way to misquote. They tried Scott there last year, so why not try him again this year? It isn’t what I want, but I could totally see them doing that in training camp.
Just because it isn't the full quote doesn't make Jesse's rationale any less insipid.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
He's just replaced his Neimo love with Scott
There were times last summer when I thought Rogers was on Nemo’s agent’s payroll.
the rest of the quote doesn't make the response....
any more intelligent than “I don’t see why not.”
Why not try him again this year?
Because it was a stupid idea in the first place. Barring a faceoff win, John Scott is too slow to get in front of the net in time. Even with a faceoff win, puck possession, and adequate time to get there, he isn’t good enough on his skates, nor does he have the hands to bury rebounds.
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I'm still trying to figure out why I read the whole thing
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
Yeah, somehow I see John Scott negating a power-play in seconds...
… as he slashes the opposing goalie in the face while swinging wildly for a rebound.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 14, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Q put him on the PP for a shift in the playoffs against that Melrose Place squad. And then he didn’t try that again, on account of John Scott played like he was himself.
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wouldn't the Power Play be over by the time he joined his mates in the offensive zone?
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
What about the "[i]t's training camp" part?
Isn’t that the GOOD time to be trying shit out?
I mean, they’ve got him; he’ll have had a full off-season to work on (and hopefully improve) things; why not see if something can work? I’m not saying it WILL, but it seems like training camp is the right place to see.
I would rather spend the time in training camp "trying out" people who are much more likely to succeed.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 14, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Hang on, some clarity here...
Sure, go ahead, try him in front of the net during some inter-squad scrimmages. Training camp is the time to try out new things, and players in different roles etc. However, please do not spend more than a couple afternoon ice-times dwelling on the matter. Work Brunette like a dog in front of the net so he pots 20 PP goals this season, teach Bickell how to position himself off the goalie etc. Don’t waste a lot of effort on Scott.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 14, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you 100%
But what I’m mostly railing against is the knee-jerk “HAHAHA THIS GUY’S SO STUPID” that started with a context-less quote — but, honestly, probably would have happened if full context was provided from the beginning.
trying out dumb ideas
keeps you from formulating and trying out as many intelligent ones as possible
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by Hack on Jul 14, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
by Timothy Fisher on Jul 14, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
and yet many intelligent ideas started out as someone's dumb idea.
the line between genius and insanity is measured in success.
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You don't have to be crazy to post on this board
but it helps!
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
"Rogers'."
I was trying to figure out who Roger was.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
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You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Q: Should the Hawks try to play Scott
I think this is where the the question should have stopped and the answer should have been
A: I don’t see why
by JesusMarianHossa on Jul 14, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But...he's useful in the locker room....
for changing light bulbs…
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Poor Troy on the LTIR?
Summary: Caps GM says a few players are ready to come back, and a few players aren’t. Then the agent for Mike Green (who says he’s feeling fine) and Troy Brouwer said one of his clients might not be ready to start the season. LTIR rumors?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/capitals-watch/2011/jul/14/could-troy-brouwer-be-candidate-start-season-ltir/
Why would he be
injured?
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Signed his new contract too fast
And sprained his wrist?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
If it is Brouwer
would there be any issues for the Blackhawks since they traded an injured player, or does it depend entirely on what was discussed during the negotiations between the teams?
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 14, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Buyer beware
It’s not like it wasn’t completely public news that Brouwer went under the knife.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jul 14, 2011 5:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
shoulder surgery?
i think it takes at least 6 months to recover and he had it right at the end of the season
Where are we going? And why are we all in this hand-basket??
Interesting article on NHLers missing the net
The Hawks lost two accurate forwards in Dowell and Johnson, who made the top 25 most accurate, but added Brunette and Carcillo (surprisingly) who took more shots (119 total vs 207 total) and were just as accurate
Dowell and Johnson missed 16.8 % versus Brunette and Carcillo who missed 16.4 %
No Hawks D-men from last year appear on the top 25 or bottom 25 in missed net percentage, but Montador’s numbers in Buffalo rank him 12th best in hitting the net
155 taken, 118 on goal, 37 missed for a 23.9 miss percentage
So that’s….something.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Can't believe Keith
didn’t have a bad Shot on Goal percentage.
It's because the majority of his shots weren't on goal.
They were on shinpads.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
But that's the point
we’re not talking shooting percentage here, we’re talking percent of shots taken that are actually on net versus percentage that miss the net – those shots into shinpads count as shots that miss the net, no?
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 14, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, my bad.
Yeah… it is kinda strange his missed shots aren’t higher when that’s taken into account.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
naw
it wasn’t the number of times he did it that was the issue…it’s that they resulted in odd man rushes the other way
That, and it was antithetical
to his Norris season where he actually had consistent patience with the puck.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I might be the only one who cares,
but I can’t wait to see what Crawford’s mask design looks like this year.
I'm only speculating.
I am kind of on the fence aout it. I loved his design this year, but change is a good thing unless you happen to be the Eagle…
link fail
One of these days I’ll figure out how to have the link be clickable as ‘link..’
Hit the link button
then paste your link in…
and then right before this portion </.a> type the text you want to be clickable.
it’ll look like this in your text box:
<.a. href = " noise noise noise.html".> CLICK THIS STUFF </.a.>
…ignore all the periods in there, I had to keep the website from thinking it was an actual link.
by transienthawk on Jul 14, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Or type what you want to be clickable
hi-light it and then click the link button and paste your link in the box
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Holy shit, that's an amazing design.
Not only Evil Dead themed, but with Iron Maiden font letters. +1 to Steve Mason.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 14, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 for the mask,
too bad he plays for the BJ’s
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
WHAT!?!?!?
thanks for making me throw up a little in my mouth asshole. Although if you speak the truth then I suppose it’s Sam Raimi, not you, who is the true asshole in this scenario
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by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't Evil Dead 2 just a remake of
Evil Dead?
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No, it was a legit sequel
you can tell by the fact that Evil Dead 2 didn’t have a scene in which one of the female leads gets violated by a tree
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by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That was so
weird…. so very very weird.
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don't forget to use the reply button
it’s at the bottom of the post you want to respond to
Is it October yet?
reply fail
I am the Eric Weinrich of replies…I truly apologize.
by Brady Haupt on Jul 14, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I find it interesting when previously unknown commenters
Comment when they do a me.
I think your
reply success rate is at like 2/5 now… so it could be worse but it’s not lookin great.
However to use a favorite trope here, “small sample size”
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At the risk of going completely off topic
I was applying for jobs today, and at the criminal history questions, there was the option to input convictions from 2012-2014. It lets people admit crimes that couldn’t have happened yet!
no it's winning the "future" zone
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
Fucking off season is boring
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by BigCSouthside on Jul 14, 2011 11:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Boyle Signs
The New York Rangers and Brian Boyle avoided arbitration by coming to terms on a three-year contract worth $5.1 million Thursday, according to the Bergen Record.
Looks like the Rangers got a good deal.
I’m still praying for Dubs.
Jonathan Toews: just another interchangeable centerman
Because Jonathan Toews wins championships, he’s viewed as a God amongst Hockey Players who farts rainbows and is incapable of making a bad play. He is, of course, just another interchangeable centreman who happens to get favourable offensive shifts and generates some success with his situation.
My God, just when the Canuck hate was subsiding.....they go and do something like this.
What a bunch of fucking losers.
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How is it possible for an entire fanbase
To have their collective head shoved that far up their own ass? It’s borders on hilarity, until you realize they’re actually serious.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jul 15, 2011 9:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Cam doesn't speak for our entire fanbase
actually. Which is surprising. I don’t speak for our entire fanbase either, although I should, but for the record I don’t agree with Cam or the people who agreed with him.
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by Section 312 on Jul 15, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It used to be hate...
Now it’s just pity, they lose relevance as a rational fan base with crap like this…
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jul 15, 2011 9:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not shocking it comes from Cam Charron
He and VanCityDan let their Canuck fandom blind them, and as a consequence sound like fucking morons.
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by McClure on Jul 15, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
silly NM
Because Jonathan Toews wins championships, he’s viewed as a God
well yeah, that’s the point of playing right? Kinda like Luongo is viewed as a joke.
On board with Team Live Bad Ass
....and whats with Semi-Colon agreeing?
His Hawk fan card is revoked.
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Semi_ Colon gets no more free passes from me... Always thought he was a phony
It’s on…
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jul 15, 2011 10:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you read his posts?
The newest one explains his logic, and honestly they do have a bit of a point. I love Toews and always want him to be a Hawk. I think he is an extremely gifted player and would not trade him for anything, and my rose colored glasses say he is the best center out there, but can we say that having someone like Getz or Datsuyk, etc. wouldn’t have gotten us to the same place? Maybe, maybe not.
Is it October yet?
That doesn't really prove anything
Those are all high caliber players, great leaders, the best of the best. Sure they’re interchangeable but only with other elite talent. You’re not going to toss your average center out there in Toews’ place and win a championship. You’re just not. He’s a guy that’s proven himself on every single stage. It’s not just a coincidence his teams win championships and anyone that thinks otherwise is asinine.
I really don’t get what the argument is here.
I'm not arguing that Toews isn't the best
Sure they’re interchangeable but only with other elite talent.
I also think this is what Semi was saying. He didn’t say put any center out there. The argument was about other elite centers.
Is it October yet?
He said that the Hawks and Canada could have won without Toews.
Now Canada is arguable (although he was voted best forward), but to say the Hawks could have won in 2010 with a different Center seems like a stretch.
Also, I was joking about his fandom being revoked.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 15, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Not what I was saying
You’re not going to toss your average center out there in Toews’ place and win a championship
I was saying replace Toews with a guy of the same skill level as him. Not with an average centre. Obviously Toews is elite. But switch him with another elite centre. Would you still have won?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
personally, I think this is a dumb discussion
I’m reading this as “replace Toews with a guy like Toews and you’re still good”…..well, duh
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 15, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
I was looking at as more of “replace Toews with a guy of the same skill, but not whatever it is that makes him Toews”.
His incredible heart, or incredible will to win, or incredible leadership. Toews with the same hockey skill, but just average whatever elses.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Just need to find someone else
that won the Stanley Cup, the Conn Smythe, the Olympic Gold and was also voted Best Forward at the Olympics all in the same year.
Hell, if they are that common, can we get a couple more while we are at it?
The fourth dimension will collapse in upon itself, bitch.
As an outsider
I read his argument as being about “intangibles.” Yes, Toews is a highly skilled centerman. By the logic of the article, Toews is not unique in being a highly skilled centerman, but he is among a select few.
The argument the article seems to make, and Semi seems to back up, is that if you exchange Toews for another of those elite centers, the overall makeup of the 2010 Cup Winning Hawks was so strong, it wouldn’t matter that you had Elite Centerman X as opposed to Captain Marvel. That team was always going to win with its basic makeup, because it did have elite talent up top, and more depth than any team in recent memory. I’d venture to say more depth than any team in the Cap era.
From the ‘Nucks perspective, the article argues that you don’t need to acquire a specific player, just a player type. And if you do your construction right, it’s the depth and interchangeability of the team that wins a championship.
I disagree with this argument, because I think it does matter who the player is. I think certain players, though they have similar skill sets, simply perform better in the playoffs. For instance, I’d take Datsyuk or Toews over Henrik Sedin or Getzlaf. There’s very little argument that the four of them have comparable skills, but I think the overall two way play, the post-season pedigree and the discipline set Datsyuk and Toews above Sedin or Getzlaf. I’d obviously LOVE to have any one of the four, but if I did have a choice BETWEEN the four, then I would certainly have preferences. It’s nice to have a deck, but sometimes, your ace has to be the better ace.
GO SHARKS!
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What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
Nope, it's disrespect of our Captain and BTW, how many of those "comparable" centers has accomplished close to what our Captain has done?
To remind everyone: (1) World Junior Gold (2) World Junior Gold (3) World Championship Gold (4) Olympic Gold (5) Stanley Cup (6) Best forward at 2010 Olympics (7) Conn Smythe 2010.
That’s the basics.
By 22 years old.
Forget it.
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
and that shit about farting rainbows
also true
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 15, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
He glows at night...
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
Nobody's ever
Disrespected the Sedins over here have they? I don’t get why fans of other teams aren’t allowed to have a different view.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Because they're not
if we allowed for that what fun would our rivalry be?
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Yes
I am a phony. You’ve seen right through me, apparently
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Dude, get over it, I don't come over to your wellspring of knowledge at NM saying shit about your players...
And in my opinion, on my own fans site, based on what you have said, I think “Phony” is a charitable description of you among others at NM…
Say what you want over there but don’t expect a warm reception when you come over here to defend or backtrack on your ridiculous statements..
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
When have I ever
Said “shit” about your players here? What ridiculous statements of mine? If you could provide an example of what you mean I would like to see it.
If what I said about Toews was “saying shit” then you’re out to lunch. I never said he sucked. I have always said I like him.
The only thing I said was that I think if you replaced him with a similar guy skill wise you would have still won.
Ho boy, look at that shit talking!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I'm "out to lunch"? Nice...
Actually I am out to lunch at the moment, a turkey sandwich on wheat, just another example of Nucks Vision, I suppose, the ability to see the future and know all …much respect to you and all NMers for coming over here to enlighten us…
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Seriously, what about what I said was talking shit? You never answered anything I asked
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
please forgive us SCHers
we’ve been so bored lately that some of us are desperate for controversy and/or something exciting
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 15, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's leave it at this: I seem to have developed a dislike for certain NMers, including you, for reasons that may not be clear to you, and which I probably cannot make clear to you...
…but it’s all just fans feeling passionate about their teams and players, which is a good thing; it shouldn’t worry you one tiny bit what I think about you or your team, it’s just talk and sometimes that gets emotional. It’s the foundation of being a fan, in my opinion.
Again, carry on being a fan, don’t expect me to agree with you or like you, I don’t.
But who cares, it’s just Saskjet from Saskatchewan, nothing you should lose sleep over.
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
this comment confuses me because now I'm not sure who's talking
it shouldn’t worry you one tiny bit what I think about you or your team
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jul 15, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
If you can’t make them clear to me, there’s no point stating in the first place. Because if you call me a phony for reason X and reason Y, I’m going to want to know why, and where you’re coming from.
And I don’t worry what you guys think of the team. It’s pretty obvious what you think of the team. Hell, I even don’t like the team quite often.
But this whole idea of “why do you NM’ers always come here to yadayadayada” is kind of off base when you guys like to quote things from NM, joke/laugh/crap on us because of it, and then get up in arms when someone comes and tries to clarify something.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Why are we getting so worked up about this?
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 15, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't think of it as phoniness
i’ll make comments here about the Sedins that I wouldn’t make at NM.
this here is our house, and we can pee on the rug if we want to (even if it does tie the whole room together.)
when we go to other’s houses, we should be polite.
anyway, that’s how i think of it, and i don’t think it’s phony.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 15, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Well yeah
If Walter or Donny had peed on the Dude’s rug it would have just been because they were drunk, not because the other Lebowski’s wife owed them money. And then the Dude doesn’t go to the other Lebowski to get a replacement rug and end up being the bag man for a ransom drop
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't read this as what all of their fanbase thinks
Most over there have high praise for Toews and would wet themselves if they thought they could have him on their team. Of course most of them think Kesler is better, but they have higher respect for Toews than what this statement says. Maybe they forgot they were all shitting their pants in game 7 when he tied up the score to force the OT. That dragon wasn’t slayed, it will be back next year with a vengeance.
Is it October yet?
And because Alex Burrows can't win in the playoffs,
he is interchangeable with any other hair pulling, biting, diving, whining, punching bag…
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
Reasonable contract
Assuming this is legit, I like the contract. Good length, low-risk/high-reward, and easily tradeable if the need should arise
With him
we have around 3.9 mill in cap space. So does that mean Campoli is out or something happens to Rusty? LTIR or whatever.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
Campoli's definitely not out
He should take up, conservatively, $2.5 mil. That leaves $1.4 mil, but also remember that this is for a 24-man roster. Someone will have to be sent packing, either to Rockford or another team, thereby creating more space.
For off-season trades, I’d imagine at least one roster player going the other way, creating more available space for anybody coming back in return.
For deals near the trade deadline, that $1.4 million (or however much it is) becomes worth more because we’d only be paying a prorated amount of the new contract(s).
Chris Block is not going to be happy about this at all...
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Detroit Red Wings : China
He wanted the Hawks to play hardball with Fro and make him accept the QO
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Detroit Red Wings : China
Sounds like Chris Block belongs in Washington these days
Either party would like to have that line of thinking these days.
I think his logic was sound.
Frolik had no other options save going back to Europe if he didn’t like it. He would have been playing for a contract in a year where the Hawks think they could win the Stanley Cup, it would get the best out of him….and Stan would have a bigger body of work to look at before dumping a long term contract on him.
The more I think about it, the more I wonder why Stan felt he had to give him 3.
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23 includes Campoli
if Campoli costs $2 million, there should still be about $2.7 kicking around with a 23-man roster.
So, if the Hawks add someone, they’ll clear out another $0.5 million in space at least, which means, assuming a reasonable Campoli signing, they have > $3 million to spend on someone else without getting rid of Rusty.
We like our people!
nice
1 year more than ideal IMO, but still a good signing at a reasonable cap hit.
On a side note, is anyone else having the same troubles with Twitter that I am? I downloaded an update to the Twitter application on my phone yesterday and now (despite having checked to make sure the settings are still the same) it no longer vibrates to notify me of a new tweet from someone I’m following. Anyone else dealing with this annoyance and/or know how to fix it?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
You win this round, TransientHawk!
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The Myers retweet
is from a Czech writer named Pavel Barta. We may wait for a fanpost until we see the chicago beat writers confirm.
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I love it!
Nice call Hack (Sutter like contract).
by LavalPhantom on Jul 15, 2011 8:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Waylon'd!
Sweet, first time I’ve ever gotten to call out someone else Wayloning!
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by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Caps re-sign Alzner
Jeff Marek
Caps re-sign Karl Alzner. 2-year deal.
Alzner is good at hockey
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Alzner and Carlson
I’m a fan of both.
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Apparently 2 years @ $1.3M AAV
Caps are pulling horseshoes out of their ass left and right this off-season.
Carlson and Alzner are going to be great dmen for a long time in Washington.
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the folks over at Japer's Rink
say that this cap hit was at least half of what they were expecting
Why can’t Bowman pull off any of the black magic that Sather and McPhee seem to be capable of?
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No need, if they don't agree beforehand I guarantee that Alzner's contract is brought up in arbitration
UFA deals may not be admissible as evidence, but other RFA deals sure as shit are and Alzner signing for a $1.3 million cap hit sure as shit favors the ‘Hawks in terms of what have comparable RFA’s gotten from other teams this summer…
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by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
They're probably the best team in the east
And they honestly do have a great shot at the cup now, as funny as that may sound. Yeah, they’ve been great the past few years, but they’ve gotten much better and I can see players taking a smaller paycheck for a legitimate chance at the cup.
There are way too many disappearing acts on that team, coach included, for me to take them seriously.
Not to mention they feed off the SE division. They’re highly talented bum slayers.
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I’ve seen enough of all 3 teams to say confidently that after they moves they’ve pulled this summer I’d put all of my money on the Caps against either one of those 2 teams without any hesitation.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 15, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently we haven't signed Fro
ChrisKuc
The report that the #Blackhawks have signed winger Michael Frolik is not accurate. Source says sides are moving closer to deal, however.
Jesse Rogers tweets it too
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Frolik has not signed or agreed to terms but hearing getting closer..makes sense since at convention…maybe semantics but not signed

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