Dear Stan Bowman
by SamFels on Jul 18, 2011 4:39 PM CDT
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Hey dude. Maybe I shouldn't call you dude. Either way, it's been a while since we talked. You've had to work this summer, I have not, some guys get all the breaks. Anyway, I figured it was time to chime back in.
Generally, I've fired these off when fans and/or myself are just angry about something. But that's not fair. You should know when we think you've done well, too. Interest of fairness and all that. And this is one of those times.
It started iffy though, didn't it? I was pretty fuming about your trade of Brian Campbell, and I made no secret of that. But I understood, and held out final judgement to see what you did with the newfound cap space. You seem to have an awful lot invested in Nick Leddy, maybe you know more than I do, I don't know, we'll see. I was also a little flummoxed at your indifference to Troy Brouwer, which was a player and role you didn't have a replacement for. And he didn't sign for that much, really. But hey, a bonus first-round pick for a player that in all honesty flattered to deceive a lot of his time here. Not the end of the world. And we'll see what Phillip Danault becomes.
But as the summer rolled on, you got better. You needed a defenseman, and you didn't wait for July 1. You went out and got the one that fitted what you needed perfectly in Steve Montador. Size, snarl, solidity, he brings it all. Yeah, he may be getting overpaid just slightly, but this is what happens in the unrestricted market. No complaints there.
July 1 was another subtle work of intelligence. You didn't commit to anyone for more than one year. Low-risk, and possibly high-reward with Andrew Brunette. Hands around the net that Brouwer didn't always have, Buff only promised briefly, and no one else has. He'll flourish here. Carcillo is a risk, but he's not paid much and is only on a one year deal. And he gives you something you didn't have, energy on the 4th line. We'll see, could be worth it, could not be. But I'm willing to see. Sean O'Donnell was also what you were screaming out for, another veteran presence and voice. Well done there.
But you saved the best for last week. You brought Michael Frolik back at a sensibly, though tad high number. He's pretty central to what you want to do. And then the big pimp hand to Chris Campoli. This Sami Lepisto may be your shrewdest move. A bottom-feeding contract for a blueliner who was sneaky good two years ago in Phoenix and will get a lot more freedom here.
You've got your goaltender locked in, and a solid blue line with more depth than you actually had in 09-10. Sure, there's a couple questions on the forward corps, but ones that can be answered internally. And if they can't, you've got midseason flexibility to answer them externally. You haven't had that before. I'm impressed.
So well done Stan, I think for the most part you've made Hawks fans very excited about the upcoming season. That's all you can do in the summer. Anyway, take a break. You've earned it. We'll talk again in the fall.
Sam
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Attaboy, Sam!
the opneing was Anchoweresque.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 18, 2011 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Hola amigo,
I know it’s been a long time since I wrecked ya cliff, but I was hella busy. What with getting my Festiva out of the impound lot, and overcoming poisoning from these weird saurkraut hot dogs I ate last week at that shitty place on Halstad. But you’ve earned it buddy, so I just wanted to let you know. +1
Rock over London,
Rock on Chicago.
Diet Pepsi,
UH HUH!!!!
http://rock-on-chicago.blogspot.com/
Was thinking the same thing
Amazing how much the Onion has grown when you think about it. For a long time it was just Madison newspaper that made fun of Wisconsin and Northern Illinois. It was like this for years, it wasn’t until it moved to Chicago and Milwaukee recently that it spread all over the place.
why is October SO FAR AWAY??
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??
I can’t wait for the season to start anew so we can see how this all pans out. Hell, why isn’t it September yet? I’ll take training camp over no hockey.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Be careful what you wish for
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=532367
NHL’s CBA ends at the end of this year. You’d think that they would do everything possible to avoid a lockout but crazier things have happened. You’ve got a cash starved league with a few teams making tons of dough.
This article doesn’t paint a very pretty picture
I might actually start a fan post on this, it would be interesting to see what people think. I’ve noticed that many are unaware of the situation. I was myself until recently.
to be clear
“tons of dough” = lots of money compared to other NHL teams. On the grand scheme of things, this is not all that much compared to other sports teams. I heard on the radio that more people actually watch the US v Mexico Copa America match than any of last years SC finals games. Which isn’t all that surprising but puts things into perspective.
eh, this guy is a cut-rate version of Larry Brooks
from the NY Post, when he constantly blamed ONLY the owners for the lockout. Sports salaries are ridiculous by nature and it would be worrisome if there was some saber rattling going on but there really isn’t. Obviously, nothing is guaranteed but things are no where near as dire as this guy’s painting it. Not to mention he almost immediately contradicts himself when he says the free agent days and draft days were “decidedly” boring, when his whole point is contracts are spiraling out of control due to owners’ stupidity. His criticisms come from a personal point of view, too. That whole “if I was GM” sort of thinking doesn’t give you a real good sense of objectivity. For instance, he mentions that none of the Panthers’ 8 new players would amount to top line players. That’s ridiculous! At the very least, it’s a subjective observation.
There’s a lot to parse here so I won’t go into it more than that. Suffice to say, we should be wary for signs of ownership and league complaints but the fact that the cap has gone up every year and pulled the cap floor up to above the original salary cap as well means cost certainty is not going to be the issue. And that was the mother of all issues in 2004. There are going to be arguments, for sure, about cap circumventing contracts, etc. but both sides are coming to the end of this CBA with much cooler heads.
Just to be clear
The cap ceiling and floor are specifically determined by the craziest formula I have ever seen in the CBA. While I don’t know how much it will be argued about, there will probably be a fair amount of fight over that calculation and they will almost certainly have to do something about the floor. It’s getting to the point to where Columbus would have to win the cup with a salary at the floor to make a profit even with profit sharing.
The NHL is not in a great situation with a lot of teams barely breaking even, a fair number losing money, and a very select few turning profits. I think their negotiations will be more like the NFL than the NBA, but I wouldn’t exactly say things look good for an easy deal either. Although, the TV deal had to help somewhat.
I caught myself trying to form my mashed potatoes into a hockey puck...
Am I turning into Richard Dreyfuss?
Take me to the volcano!
by Joe Banks on Jul 18, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
forgive me if I'm wrong
But isn’t that the 3rd time in about 2 weeks you have used that pic of Stan for a post? I’m not complaining, but it looks like we need some more pics of him
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 18, 2011 5:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Have you tried finding a good pic of him?
Also, somewhat relatedly, why is it that Google autocompletes his name with “Stan Bowman health” and “Stan Bowman cancer”? Do people think he looks like that because he’s unwell?
P.S. Mike Gillis autocompletes to “Mike Gillis complains about refs”.
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...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Excuse me while I snicker quietly at my desk.
by transienthawk on Jul 18, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone has had 'that haircut' at some point in their life
But this one looks like a Photoshop.. but it isn’t it. Kinda awesome actually.
Hawks!
by BlackhawksFan22 on Jul 18, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that it shows great judgement on his part that he rejected the comb over as a way of life!
Now all he needs is a little sunscreen.
this one came up
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 18, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
"they took the bar!"
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
I fucking love that picture of Stan.
Its like some reporter asked a question he didn’t like and he’s turning his head to say “who the fuck said that?”
Vancouver Canucks - Green Bay Packers - Minnesota Twins : Axis of Evil
Detroit Red Wings : China
It is a great pic
I see it as a “he just walked out of a room and is worried someone heard what he was doing”
I am a meat popsicle
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by LanceFister3 on Jul 18, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
P.S.
Now go package Scott, Campoli’s rights, Danault,and Beach to the Rangers for Brandon Dubinsky. Hurry. As Kaner’s injury shows, we need Sharpie as a top line wing for depth and we are in need of another true two way center.
P.S.2. I love this team and only make these suggestions out of sincere hope to help.
Don't want Dubinsky
if that moustache is coming with him. This ain’t a cops vs. firemen game.
Remember how most of us said here
that the only true way to judge StanBow was until he had a full off – season without another capacolaypse on his hands? So far, so good.
WTF??
Sam’s SCH and Twitter accounts have BOTH been hacked by Tommy Lee!
And speaking of Puck Daddy, I lost yet another photoshop contest, so all is right with the world…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 18, 2011 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
hurr what?
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jul 18, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
hah. didn't read the news.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous!
Beautius J. Beautius!
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jul 18, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
was that what you submitted?
because then…. ;)
hey, I read via random twitter account that someone used your Bolland-explosion pic at the convention.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Are you serious? Ha!
Can you send me the link please?
And no, obviously that wasn’t my submission. Not sure if anyone read the PD link, but Brad Richards left himself logged into his Twitter account in a NY hotel and Tommy Lee, as luck would have it, was the next person to use the computer when he checked into the same room later that day. I have to imagine that Tommy Lee also hacked Sam’s account because all this StanBo love like is turning my world upside down.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 18, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
in the common usage of the word... yes
in the computer geek usage of hack… no.
Doin the FRANKENSTEIN
so
my teenage daughter regularly ‘hacks’ my Facepage.
cool. i thought i was just a dumbshit.
We like our people!
you just hit the nail on the head as to why 'hacked' has become popular verbage
people dont like to seem stupid, and hacked sounds like it wasnt something they did.
not to insinuate that you are stupid… I get ‘hacked’ all the time from my home computer
Doin the FRANKENSTEIN
i still get fucking annoyed by it
“omgz i hackd ur page”
no you didn’t, idiot, i just left it signed it.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jul 18, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
what's the lowest level of actual hacking?
I need to know if I really “hacked” someone’s facebook
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SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jul 18, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
generally password cracking is the lowest level of accessing somones account
this can be done using specific software or just using personal knowledge of your subject.
Most personal passwords are common things and are thus easy to remember. ie: birthdates, places, names.
Doin the FRANKENSTEIN
good, I'm a hacker!
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jul 18, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
uhh it was a random twitter comment I saw a couple days ago.
I don’t know if I’ll be able to find it again…sorry. :| but apparently someone printed it out to be autographed so there’s more circumstantial proof that Bolland has seen it.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
His GF has it as her FB page photo, so I'm assuming he's seen it
HOW CAN I CAPITALIZE ON THIS??
(oh, I just did)
/ALL CAPS humor)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jul 19, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe I just clicked on that
I should have known what it was going to be :D
Is it October yet?
Toews and Kane should only get better ...
Having them enter their prime should help cover the other offensive holes. I picked Kane to break 100 points last year and, even though he only pulled down a 1.0 ppg, would again this year. Hossa should still be good for around a point a game too, as long as he can play a full season. A 30/45 year from him would go a long way.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jul 18, 2011 6:14 PM CDT reply actions
So I'm guessing this gets Sam back on Stan's Christmas card list?
Good summary, Sam. I think I’m even more excited at the prospect of our young core guys being very hungry after getting knocked out in the first round this year. “Fitness” has been bandied about quite a bit this offseason, and it looks like our boys will come back ready to prove something. I’m also excited to see that the other “top” teams in the West don’t seem to have improved greatly (on paper, at least) though the Kings could be difficult. (And what of our favorite team to hate, the Nucks? Are they still the top of the conference? They seem to think so…) So now we wait. Only 82 days to go…..(sigh)
Thank you Boston for saving us from a dreadful summer! Now, GO HAWKS!!!
Still not completely sold on Soupy moving to FLA
But I cannot argue or complain about the D-Men now either, just hope Soupy puck handling and movement will not be missed much. If it is not missed or adjusted to, I really cannot complain about this off season. The Hawks have allot of room to work with for resigning Shooter, and can make a bold move or two during the first 70 games to fill any glaring holes in the team, something they could not do recently in the past couple years.
Brouwer, meh, whatever, Campi would have been nice, but sure see ya. We will see how it goes.
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just Blackhawks Hockey, it's bashing the Canucks too!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 18, 2011 7:26 PM CDT reply actions
I agree with you on Soupy..
but StanBo probably realized that it would only get more difficult to move him going forward. The stars aligned perfectly to move him, lots of teams needing to get to the cap floor, and Tallon taking over a team. Hopefully Sami and Leddy can move the puck well enough.
Here's hoping they figure out how to play without Soupy
I’m a bit scared, our record when he went down last year and the year before took a bit of a dip. I think Lepisto and Leddy will be alright though. It’s a new team that we are going to have to get used to.
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
by Brady Haupt on Jul 18, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
that theory is actually wrong
someone crunched the numbers and i think the PPG avg difference without soup was like .2 less.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jul 19, 2011 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Soupy is great but IMO, the biggest problem when he was injured
was that the Hawks were otherwise so thin on D that everything went to hell. Keith and Seabs had to play too much, Boynton had to play (period) — they didn’t have the kind of guys they have now. Soupy will be missed, but his absence shouldn’t be as glaring as it was at the beginning of last season. I hope.
I think you're dead on here - when the minutes go too far over 20, bad things happen
And with 8 defensemen, Stan agrees too.
Keith starts to have senior moments, etc.
Campbell was a big help with trapping teams, so I will nerviously look forward to the first Nashville game as a litmus test.
Take me to the volcano!
But the Preds don't trap!
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...I forget the rest, but your mother's a whore.
Grizzly Addams DID have a beard
Lee Trevino taught me that
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
In my opinion the ‘Hawks struggles when Soupy was injured to start last season subsequently followed by the defense shoring up on his return showed not so much the importance of Soupy but rather the ’Hawks complete lack of depth on the blue line. When your 3rd pairing is pick 2 of John Scott, Nick Boynton, and Jassen Cullimore then you’re kinda fucked. While I appreciate everything that Soupy brought to the ‘Hawks over the last 3 seasons and I’m sorry to see him go, the fact is that even without him the blue line is far deeper and better than it was last season with the additions of Montador, O’Donnell, and Lepisto. The ‘Hawks now have 7 NHL-caliber defensemen (and John Scott) and it doesn’t whether the 3rd pairing is Montador-Lepisto, Montador-O’Donnell, or O’Donnell-Lepisto because either way it’s a pairing that can reliably play 15 minutes a night and thus not force Kieth and Seabrook to play 30.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course, the D becomes just as susceptible if Hjammer has the same first half this season as he did last, and if Leddy suffers a decline or can’t step up. But that’s just pessimism, right?
www.mjt.org
yup, that's just pessimism
but even if one of those does happen – whether it’s Hjammer struggling or Leddy taking a massive step back – the ‘Hawks should still be able to absorb the blow without too much damage because of the previously-mentioned 7 NHL-caliber defensemen signed. What it boils down to is that even without Soupy I’m feeling pretty confident that the ’Hawks blueline will, overall, be significantly better than it was last year
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
look at it this way
based on the Hawks line-up today, where would you spend $7.1 million?
i don’t think it would be on Brian Campbell.
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by cliffkoroll on Jul 19, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
wouldn't say its pessimism
Hjammer still needs to prove himself to be consistent and Leddy is still a shot in the dark. Only time will tell, I think your concern is valid.
gotta love the irony
of the spelling fail inside of the grammar fail…
Sorry, I normally have no trouble resisting the urge to be a grammar nazi on internet boards, but that was too amusing
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
"Gotta"? I think you mean "One must...."
/Shakespeared
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
"inside of"? Don't you mean just "inside"?
/Nazi’d
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
You forgot to end that sentence with a period.
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jul 19, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Who Ya Gonna Call?
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 20, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Regardless of the chosen first word,
you forgot to capitalize it.
by transienthawk on Jul 19, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Irregardless isn't a word!!!
Sorry, I just hate it when people use that word, always been a pet peeve of mine.
by HattrickKane on Jul 19, 2011 11:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I also hate
when people us “mute” instead of “moot” without even realizing it or being sarcastic in any way…
I really hate when they
use it on purpose to be funny
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
That was
sarcastically directed at HattrickKane… I kinda figured you used irregardless and mute just to peeve all the English Lawyers…. was I wrong?
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Lmao
My sarcasm detector is awful :s
by HattrickKane on Jul 20, 2011 5:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, he definitely fell into a hole with that one
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 20, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah I hate when those points keep talking
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 19, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
add another 36
and you can’t be held accountable for your actions. You can be considered legally insane.
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
it's a win-win!
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jul 20, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Nobody capitalized their first word...just sayin'
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Let's talk about Goalies for a second.....
Salak is penciled in as backup for the year, but with a couple of names like Ty Conklin and Ray Emery sitting out there UFA does it behoove Stan to have someone ready to backup Crow in case Salak is way over his head?
angry bird is angry .
Razor would be lovely
However, he’s looking for a starting gig. I can’t claim to be much of a Conklin expert however. You bring up a valid point though, Salak is a bit wet behind the ears.
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
by Brady Haupt on Jul 18, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Conklin was abducted by aliens...there's a conspiracy, you know
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
I'm not educated on this subject.
Nor am I at liberty to speak about it.
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
by Brady Haupt on Jul 18, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
in case Salak is way over his head?
Over his head, like, more than Turco was? I have faith that Salak can help the Hawks at least finish in the top 4 of the West. He doesn’t have to be awesome – just serviceable. 1 more win in the 2010-11 campaign, and the Hawks have the 7 seed instead of the 8. Huge difference, of course.
I'm thinking we might be a bit spoiled.
Huet was more than servicable behind The Bulin road block, even though he was supposed to be the starter anyway. Game 5 against scum was a freaking revelation. Nemo came in and stole Frenchies thunder the next year, and last year Crow freaked the fuck out when he got his shot…our backups have been at least 2 legit.
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
by Brady Haupt on Jul 18, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're somewhat right that we've been a bit spoiled
insomuch as the ‘Hawks have entered the last 2 seasons with a veteran starter and a rookie back-up pegged as a or “the” starter of the future. The ’Hawks have just gotten really lucky that both times, when the veteran has faltered, the rookie has stepped up and shown that he’s ready to take on the challenge of being an NHL starting goalie earlier than we thought he would be. We now enter the 3rd straight year where the back-up (at least the guy who’s penciled in to be the back-up as of now) is a promising rookie who’s pegged to be a future starter, the difference is that the guy pegged to be the opening night starter is neither a massively overpaid and not-that-good vet (Huet) or a past-his-prime, 1-year-only stop-gap (Turco).
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Most of the top - tier franchises regularly find themselves "spoiled"
Remember what happened when SCUM found Howard, or when who – the – hell – is – Mike Vernon was shoved back there? Championships.
Hold on just a moment
Vernon played 11 seasons in Calgary (8 full seasons as the starter) and backstopped them to the Cup in ‘88-’89 before going to Detroit and is currently the winningest HOF-eligible goalie to not be in the hall. Was Vernon out of this world? No. But he wasn’t exactly an unknown or out-of-left-field guy when the Scum brought him in
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by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and is STILL my favorite goaltender
Power to the short netminders!
Considering the Blackhawks knack for developing young goaltenders, you’d think that people would trust their eye for talent. Not to mention they have one of the best goalie coaches in the entire game of hockey, in Waite. Two years ago, we were slated to begin the season with the fragile ego’d CRISTOBAL FRIGGIN HUET as our #1, and two hardly known guys named Niemi and Crawford, battling for the #2 slot. THEN, last year they had a slightly questionable #1, in Turco, with that same hardly known Crawford kid who couldn’t beat out an undrafted free agent, in the #2 slot. In each of the last two years the Hawks developed, young, hardly known players into solid NHL starters. Now, for the first time in years, the Hawks starter is back.
Salak comes with exactly 6 less pro games than Crawford came with, last season, and exactly 2 MORE games than Niemi had in HIS rookie year. In 09-10 he played VERY well in the AHL with Rochester. 29-14-0 with a 2.89 GAA, and .910 SV%. Corey Crawford, was 24-16-2 with a 2.67 GAA and .909 SV% in his last year in Rockford.
Lets say, for argument sake, that Salak plays like Luongo in games 4 and 5 last year. Alec Richard really isn’t the man, but could he fill in for a few games? MAYBE. Right now, Marty Turco, Ty Conklin, Patrick Lalime, Ray Emery and a host of others are jobless, and there are NOT many open slots. Chances are that a decent serviceable guy will be hanging around, and if the world comes crashing down. A majority of the hockey world hasn’t even seen Salak even PLAY yet.
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-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
by G8K33P3R on Jul 19, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I have to disagree with this
that same hardly known Crawford kid who couldn’t beat out an undrafted free agent
Crawford was always in “the system” (draftwise, in the AHL, etc) ahead of Niemi, who was actually more of an unknown quantity— the differences were slimmer when it simply came down to the Org picking a rookie backup goalie for a playoff-hopeful season, Niemi was picked for salary reasons.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
The main reason that Niemi was picked over Crawford
to back-up Huet in ‘09-’10 was purely contractual. Being a year older Niemi would have had to clear waivers in order to be sent down to Rockford whereas Crawford did not. My understanding is that, at the time, the ‘Hawks were of the opinion that Niemi and Crawford were fairly equal both in ability and in future potential, and they went with Niemi over Crawford purely because they knew that it was unlikely for Niemi to clear waivers without being claimed by another team whereas they didn’t have to worry about losing Crawford in that manner.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 20, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point
I forgot about his prior years, but do remember that Vernon was put in as an act of desperation at the time, and it worked out perfectly for SCUM.
Oh yeah, not denying that the Scum basically lucked into him
I don’t remember it that well because I was only like 10 or 11 when he was traded to the Scum so I may be mistaken, but I remember a lot of people thinking he was basically done already when he signed arrived in Detroit and he clearly proved them wrong when he led them to 2 SCF appearances (1 win) in his 2 1/2 years there and won the Conn Smythe in ’97
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by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Very good point
On the flip side who was Fluery’s back up the year the Pens won it? Thibault? The Devils are a bit removed from the days of “top tier” franchise, but in the hey day, Broduer never had a back up move on to be a flippin warlock. Sometimes franchises get lucky, or have great talent evaluation in the scouting department. I’m hoping we catch a little of both!
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If we're going to pay Conklin
We may as well bring back Turco.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jul 18, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
If only for the bench shenanigins.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 19, 2011 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Goalies
I’m kind of surprised we haven’t signed someone. It’s a not talked about much, but with the drastic changes on our blue line it seems to me that an injury to Crawford becomes that much more ominous.
I’m really kind of surprised that we haven’t signed someone who could take on extended duty if need be. I mean, Salak could be that guy, but a good stint through 30-some games in the SEL hardly sells me on the idea that he’s the guy to start if Crawford goes down.
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Thank god for flexibility right?
I’m perfectly content to go into the season with Salak backing up. If Crow goes down we get to see what he can do. If he fails there will still be a veteran or two out there lurking. Those are two pretty big ifs and I’m not ready to sacrifice a potential trade mid-season for the sole purpose of having 3 NHL goalies on the roster.
Doin the FRANKENSTEIN
I agree, I’m happy to see him as our back-up to begin. But IF Crawford goes down and Salak proves sketchy in relief, I don’t want to be forced to choose from whatever UFA just happens to be available at the time. Seems way more prudent to devote 1 or 1.5 million right now. Just my opinion.
But then I’m also of the opinion that Bowman, Bergevin, Quenneville, Kitchen, and Haviland all know more about Salak, and hockey, than I do.
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Salak
Salak played in the AHL two years ago. He went back to the SEL because of the Panthers incredible depth at goalies. If the Panthers didn’t have that depth, Salak most likely would have played in the NHL last year.
It is Salak’s time to get a shot. He is a player that played an extra year in a lower league. He is NOT a guy that has been rushed. At some point you just have to give the kids a chance…
It's kind of funny that you're talking about the Panther's incredibly goalie depth
and yet they’re going into next season with Jose Theodore penciled in as the starter. I’m by no means saying that you’re wrong about them having had great depth, especially since Vokoun was the clear-cut starter, I just think it’s amusing how that depth has so clearly eroded
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by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Panthers goalies
Tomáš Vokoun in the NHL last year and I’m kinda thinking it will be Jacob Markstrom’s turn this year, Theodore as the backup. And I can’t remember who the third was but Salak was somewhere around 4th goalie in that organization.
In the Hawks system he would have been the top minor league goalie last year and there are all kinds of people out there who think he is better then Crawford. It will be fun to watch next year.
Id play Markstrom this year a lot if I were them...
They aren’t that many years away from a playoff berth…..let the kid get some experience.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 19, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
As of right now, Markstrom is technically 3rd on their depth chart
behind Theodore and Scott Clemmensen. Markstom is in all likelihood a fair amount better than Clemmensen already, but it made more sense to keep Markstrom in the AHL to get starts last year instead of having him back up Vokoun and thus rarely see the ice. This year he’s probably perfectly capable of beating out Jose Theodore or at the very least giving the Panthers a reason to carry him as the back-up to start the season instead of Clemmensen.
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by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey Frank,
You never want to just hand the starting job to a rookie but I don’t see anyway that the Panthers made the moves they did without them expecting Markstrom to be this year’s starter.
They are seriously under the cap but Vokoun walked away for a 1.5M contract? If there were any doubts in the organization that Markstrom wasn’t ready I really believe they would have anti-ed up for Vokoun for another year. I just don’t see them literally pushing Vokoun out of the way if this wasn’t Markstrom’s year. I just don’t see them doing that to Vokoun for Theodore…
I don't disagree with your analysis of Florida's current goaltending situation
but I think you’re conveniently ignoring or forgetting how the Vokoun UFA market / contract situation actually played out. Florida DID want Vokoun back, their last offer to him was $10 million over 4 years which as it happens to have turned out is 3 years a $1 million AAV more than he actually signed for in Washington. This was before July 1 when Florida still had exclusive negotiating rights and he turned it down because a) he thought he was going to command more money – remember, most analysts were predicting his being signed for an AAV north of $5 million, and b) after years of being the far-and-away best player on some pretty miserable Florida teams he wanted to go someplace where he’d have a chance to win (which is why his being connected to Colorado initially was puzzling, maybe he doesn’t realize that Sakic and Forsberg are retired?). What it boils down to is that they didn’t “push Vokoun out of the way” – Vokoun’s departure from the Panther’s appears to have nothing to do with the Panthers wanting to move on and/or hand off the torch to Markstrom and everything to do with Vokoun wanting to play elsewhere.
So then the question becomes what happens this year? Theodore seems like a stopgap a la Marty Turco in Chicago last year, but the difference is that he’s signed for 2 years, not 1, and the Panthers also have a career back-up (Clemmensen) for one more year @ $1.5 million. The only way the Panthers can justify burying Clemmensen in the AHL and eating his 1-way contract is if they believe that they’re a playoff team this year, but anyone looking objectively can see that despite all of their off-season moves they’re still only the 4th or 5th best team in their division. The intelligent move (and this isn’t to say it’s what they’ll do) would be to let Markstrom continue to develop by being the starter in the AHL while Theodore is backed up by Clemmensen in the NHL and then in 2012-’13 when Clemmensen is gone and the team has continued to improve go with a goaltending tandem of Theodore (in a contract year) and Markstrom (rookie trying to make a name for himself)
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by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
The Panthers will let Markstrom get another full season as a starter in the AHL, and then bring him up next year. At least that’s the most likely scenario imo.
Don't forget, Dale likes Bionic Goalies...
Likes to collect 6 million dollar men.
Prediction: If Markstrom isn’t pulling NHL minutes by the end of next season, Dale goes out and plucks a 3 legged horse for 6 million/yr. (for 4 years, naturally)
Take me to the volcano!
I agree, give him a shot, absolutely. But I’m a worrier by nature, and the fact remains, he’s played 2 NHL games and we could be forced to rely on him to be a number 1.
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suppose Crow struggles
I understand Salak is promising, but will the Hockey Gods countenance a third straight outstanding upstart?
I don’t think the Hawks need to move right now though, because we don’t know if this is where the leak will spring. I know its chancy, but I’m willing to accept whatever’s out there if and when the time comes.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jul 19, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
because of all teams the Hawks know that there is no way a rookie goaltender can come in and play well ;)
Is it October yet?
you realize you're asking our resident optimist that, right? :)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
I’ll roll with it at $600K. I mean, what could he end up being? Another Turco? Sure, that’s pessimistic but the optimistic side of me considers the fact that he could potentially be another Tukka Rask.
You never know.
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Turco wasn't so bad at Salak's age.
In fact I believe he was considered quite decent.
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
I meant it as a comparison over last year’s backup netminding.
Turco was one of the league’s best over a number of years … just not last year, not even close. In fact, you could make the case that he was one of the league’s worst last year.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
a Jerry Lewis joke?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
But I hear he swings a mean stick back there
another Eddie, or maybe Billy Smith. But I agree, the lack of experience behind Crow is not the greatest right now. Perhaps the scouts saw something in Salak that no one else has determined so far.
I think 2 more singings would make this a complete success....
Ty Conklin- He’s the perfect back-up goalie and has been to the cup.
Either Drury, Wellwood, or Madden for a 4th line center for a decent price.
If Stan does that. The hawks are in business.
If Stan does that. The hawks are in business.
Stan Bownman reflects on 2011 offseason -
I’m not a businessman. I’m a business, man.
Nice.
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by Brady Haupt on Jul 18, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
If Chris Drury had any working parts, he'd be signed somewhere already.
Its time to give up the dragon.
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by HjammerTime on Jul 18, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
he was not the blood of the dragon. fire can not kill the dragon.
Watching players the same age or years younger than me play pro sports makes me feel like a failure...
by RLWiener on Jul 19, 2011 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Campoli gets the "Bowman Pimp Slap".
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 19, 2011 2:23 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Must rec because...this is funny
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
by Saskjet on Jul 19, 2011 7:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would call that a Waylon
except that I don’t recall Frolov having been brought up in any other comment so I have no idea to whom you would be reply failing. Either I’ve missed something, or you’ve just created a whole new category of reply fail whereby you make a stand-alone comment with what seems to be a reply fail except that the comment to which you’re failing to reply does not yet exist. Well done?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
No reply fail.
I was typing a long winded "we should go get Frolov and leave Sharp at C, then saw that he is KHL bound. He is the asshole.
See how clear it is in my mind.
Hmmm...
See this is why someone needs to put together a wiki of our memes over here, because there’s got to be something we can call that. Your comment is a new comment thread that is a reply to a comment that you failed to originally post in the first place – that’s a reply fail of some sort, I just have no idea what to call it
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by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
it can be a laaarmer
when you think it should be a reply fail but it’s really not and you were just tricked into thinking it was a reply fail.
don’t mess with the sneaky old guys on the board. ;)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
actually, I think a laaarmer should be replying to yourself
and creating your own comment chain.
for instance, this comment is creating a laaarmer. ;)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
and I did say that I was creating a laaarmer.
let’s work on reading comprehension. ;)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Reading comprehension?
I thought we just argued for arguments sake and call people who disagree with us names
(how’s that for a “laaarmer”?)
you forgot to add
“and get off my lawn you damn kids”
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Phase II
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
by Badgerdano on Jul 19, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that article
also claims ty conklin is heading to DET….
by HighTrafficArea on Jul 19, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
He can compare his tinfoil hat with the fans'
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
If your not yet following Ryan Lambert on Twitter, do it right now.
His anti-Chris Osgood stuff today has been hilarious
ryan lambert
chris osgood once lost his job to manny legace
ryan lambert
having jussi markkanen-esque career numbers despite playing almost all of it in the dead puck era shows why osgood belongs in the HHOF
roman turek has a better career save percentage than chris osgood #thinkaboutit
but if chris osgood retires, who can red wings fans laughably call one of the best goalies in the league? oh right, joey macdonald.
And finally…….
ozzie as wings goalie consultant: “get on a great team and … i dunno just kinda stand there? worked for me im in the hall of fame somehow”
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by HjammerTime on Jul 19, 2011 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Are you trying to deny that said advice as a wings goalie consultant works?
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by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow. That's genius.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 19, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm no Chris Osgood lover
But if there’s anyone who can make hating the Red Wings look bad, it’s Ryan Lambert…
GO SHARKS!
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NHL Network
Anybody else sick of them airing nothing other than the BOS-MTL and PHI-BUF playoff series for the last 3 weeks?
Thought the same thing the other day.
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Yeah, WTF is up with that? Doesn't Buttman realize Chicago is a bigger market than any of those crappy cities?
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Buttman?
Oh! I get it! Wow, that’s hilarious. Did you come up with that yourself? grow up
Life is risk
wait what?
not every use of the word Butt is an insult to the gay community now, is it?
We like our people!
let's not get into this debate again
we’re going to stop now before it gets out of hand
Is it October yet?
i think he was just calling it childish
sorry stacie
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jul 19, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
SCH
come for the hockey, leave for the PCness.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
by Badgerdano on Jul 19, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
the penis?
oops, read that wrong
Watching players the same age or years younger than me play pro sports makes me feel like a failure...
I think this is more of juvenile humor
If you’re coming to SCH for sophistication, you’re bound for serious disappointment.
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 19, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
that is freaky
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 19, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I congree with this
Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
Second City Hockey, It's not just Blackhawks Hockey, it's bashing the Canucks too!
Sarcasm is implied, unless I am serious
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 19, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Relax, dude, no harm intended, just my childlike sense of wonder at play...
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
He now has his own theme song
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
No, their inane East Coast bias is into overdrive
I don’t think they’ve shown even one Hawks/Van game, maybe a few Sharks games – but that’s about it.
Who cares about WASH anyway?
what, not enough playoff foldos this year?
That's not true
I’m like 80% certain that I remember them airing one of the ’Hawks/Van games like 3 or 4 weeks ago
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Game 7
At some point they’re supposed to air all the series. I’ll be happy to watch, even the losses.
I did enjoy watching a Carcillo-Montador tiff in one of the Philly/Buffalo games. I think O’Donnell may have been involved in a separate-yet-concurrent incident, as well.
I'd rather watch the two blowout losses
in one in VAN the Canadian announcing team basically said that “it’s men against boys out there,” after the Hawks started to really put it into overdrive. Good times.
The only way the Canucks can win a series in June.
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by hawks61 on Jul 19, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Must Rec...
"Jonathan Toews: Youngest Triple Gold Winner EVER...EVER is a LONG time, no script written for people like that"
Yep
I’ve about had it too. They should show games 4, 5, and 6 of the Hawks-Van series over and over and over and over…
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
They only have so many playoff games to show, so I think they are trying to stretch them out over the summer
still really annoying.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jul 19, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, first, they’re not airing anything else. They could always air classic games and other filler content. They could also actually air all playoff series, not just these two. Even if they repeat them, at least the repetition isn’t happening as often.
I know last year they replayed every playoff game
one series at a time
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jul 19, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Leafs re-sign Joey Crabb
James Mirtle
The Leafs have re-signed Joey Crabb on a one-year deal:
I think Hack put it best when he wrote that if your parents name you Joey Crabb, you are destined to be a gigantic tool.
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I just spent 15 mins of my lunch talking to a buddy from college who is a Wing die-hard...
We debated Osgood. Wings fans not only think he should be in the HOF, but they actually are appalled that there is even a debate. Does everyone have to stop talking about the “Red Wings Model” if he makes the HOF? A puck possession team with a dominant defense who can get away with having a low-paid average goalie (Osgood) because their team is so good. Isn’t the whole premise the “low paid average goalie” part? Wasn’t Osgood the low-paid average goalie? Now he is automatic HOF? Im confused.
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I'm not sure if he's automagic...
… but he’s pretty decent. Obviously the 400 wins and 50 shutouts are pumped up by playing with the Wings, but his save% was always in the .910 range (only dipped below .900 during the past 3 years). That’s pretty good. I don’t think he’s an auto-inductee, but his career merits a close look IMO. The longevity will help him, as will the win totals and cups. The negatives will surely be the overal team dominance displayed by the Wings and the fact that he was never a 70+ game starter. Talented team or not, his 39 wins in 50 games played (95-96) was pretty phenomenal. I think a lot of it will be determined by which other goalies are on the ballot with him at the same time.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 19, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally I don't think he's a HOF'er
I was merely pointing out that you can make a reasonable case for his inclusion. I would also say his career is more HOF worthy than Kolzig’s. 15 years as a #1 (or 1a) to Kolzig’s 10. Osgood’s 400 wins to Kolzig’s 300 etc.
For me, the main reason Osgood isn’t a HOF’er is because when I think of his goaltending “era”, I always think of Brodeur (94-2011), Hasek (93-08), Belfour (90-07), Joseph (90-07), and Roy (86-03) ahead of him. I know Roy is a bit of a stretch with his career ending 8 years ago but a good chunk of his time was spent head-to-head with Osgood. I think Kolzig and Richter were both quite good as well but Zolzig’s body of work isn’t as impressive and Richter had a short lights out period but was otherwise fairly average or injured.
Looking at the guy’s I’ve mentioned I would argue he’s had a better career than Kolzig or Richter which puts him 5 guys (4 auto HOF’ers).
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 19, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Automagic
I don’t know what it is, but it sounds awesome.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 19, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think automagic comes from the automobile world...
As in, if you always drive a manual transmission, driving an automatic is so easy, it’s like magic! – it’s (wait for it…) AUTOMAGIC.
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 19, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
driving an auto trans gets boring after you drive stick for a while. with the exception of being in traffic.
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
Sitck shift on 290 bumper to bumper
Is Auto-Hell.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 20, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
MOVE SON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3qK8gT5LLg Automagically
Your 2010 Stanley Cup Champs The Chicago Blackhawks!
That's cash money.
I’ve never seen that add before! The Diabolical Biz is always on a player near me…
You are next.
Whossshhhhhhhh
Biz Markie is the shiznit.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 20, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
There really shouldn't be a debate
Osbad NEVER won a Vezina.
If you cannot be the best goalie in the league for even ONE year, you’re not worthy of the Hall of Fame. He belong in the Hall-of-Decent-But-Had-One-The-Best-D-Men-Ever-Saving-His-Ass.
It’s in Flint, Michigan.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
Gary Cheevers NEVER won a Vezina
He’s in the hall. The two are fairly comparable IMO. Cheevers backstopped a dynamite Bruins team in the 70’s (minus his few seasons in the WHA) and Osgood did the same thing.
Besides, the fact that Jim Carrey won the Vezina in ‘96 over Osgood was some weird joke (an .830 win% doesn’t get you the trophy?). How’d Carrey’s career go over? By your logic he should be considered for the hall because he won a Vezina.
Anyways, I’m finding myself defending Osgood which I don’t really feel like doing anymore. There are something like 29 goalies in the HOF (including Belfour) and I have to figure Brodeur and Hasek are locks when they come up for vote. That alone probably precludes Joseph, Richter, Kolzig, Barrasso, Osgood, etc…
You are next.
by M7 on Jul 19, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Not familiar with the Vezina?
The Vezina wasn’t the same award as it is today back then. Then it was based on the TEAM who allowed the fewest goals in a season, with the award going to the goalie who started the most games on that team. It was changed to the current format in 1982. Guess who retired in 1980?
Also, I never said or implied it was the ONLY criteria for induction- but it should be something considered. His career SV% is only .905, while the league-wide average was also .906. And again, he managed weak numbers while playing behind some of the best defense in the league. He’s a slightly above average goalie who played on a REALLY good team. If we’re giving out HOF inductions for guys who played on winning teams, Kirk Malby is HOF bound!
Chicagoan in the Lou.
I agree, in part
Vezina should certainly be looked at, but I think it’s overrated as a measuring stick. Example: Brodeur’s 1st win (‘02-’03) came in a year when Turco crushed the rest of the league, statistically. But Brodeur basically won b/c he should have won 2 or 3 times before (and b/c Turco only played 55 games that year, whatever…).
If they had given the award to Turco, it wouldn’t have made him any more HOF worthy. By the same token, if Turco were working on a HOF career (if only…), and Brodeur’s make-up award cost him his only Vezina, I don’t think he’d be any less worthy.
Certainly, there is some merit in the award, and you generally have to be a damn good goalie to be considered, but a lot of times it comes down to “whose saves do we remember the most?”. Hence, Hasek’s 6 trophys…
Thank's Mike, yes... I'm totally aware of how that award was given out...
… and how the change in format coincided with the creation of the Jennings.
I could argue you sideways over the merits of that award (in its past format) and the people who won it and how their careers benefited thereafter (I mean evidence would suggest Dryden won most of his because he was playing behind Lemaire, Robinson, Savard and a good collection of forwards).
Kirk Maltby doesn’t have the stats and to me, there is always the question of whether the team made a player (and his numbers good), or if that player was one piece of what made that team great. Bottom line, by modern day criteria, Osgood should have won the ‘96 Vezina (on a team with the best regular season record since the Habs in the 70’s) – but I don’t think he’ll get in based on how few goalies are in the Hall (by era) while realizing that Brodeur/Hasek will chew up any votes Osgood (or Joseph, Kolzig, Richter etc.) may have gotten.
I hope you didn’t feel I was attacking you, just outlining what I can understand as a reasonable argument for his induction to the Hall. Particularly for a Wings fan as intimated in Hjammertime’s original post.
You are next.
I perused the WIIM thread to get a sense of their thoughts
Seems as though they think there’s a case to be made, based on other goaltenders (i.e. Belfour) who have made it in. I don’t know if I get the auto-magic sense from them, but WIIM seems to have slightly less arrogance than, say, A2Y.
What I do find interesting is that, while they think there’s a case to be made for the Hall, there’s almost NO case for him to have his number retired.
I can actually see the case they’re making (he’s not Howe, Lindsey, Yzerman or Lidstrom), but it sounds funny.
GO SHARKS!
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Changing signatures is for suckers.
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
Bit OT here
But apparently Brian Campbell fell in love with Chicago, and will be making it his off-season home. Greatest city ever.
In other RFA news
Dubinsky’s hearing is in 2 days. NYR, with bonuses, are over the cap. Interesting to read the comments on this post.
This is obviously a huge if, but if Dubinsky’s award is more than the Rangers are willing to pay, how aggressive should the Hawks be in acquiring him (in terms of AAV/term)?
Apparently the big holdup for Dubi is length of contract, not $
he wants longer then he’s getting I guess. Surprising, after this last season in particular, I really thought Dubinsky/Callahan were the future of the organization, so I’m interested to know what length of time is actually being suggested.
Also, arbitration hearings have to be so damn uncomfortable.
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 19, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
5 yrs, $7.5M cap hit
I am a meat popsicle
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Jul 19, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
This has Jeff Vinnik “give him the money” written all over it.
I mean, I can’t see Steve Yzerman wanting to give Stamkos that much money with $7m guaranteed in signing bonuses over the next 2 years with a cap hit over 5 years with a $7.5m cap hit which is higher than the likes of Ryan Getzlaf, Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk, Ryan Kesler, and our own Jonathan Toews – centre’s that plays BOTH ends of the ice.
Methinks the Lightning may regret this if Boucher is once again forced to shift Stamkos to the 3rd line in playoffs to hide his defensive deficiencies. Then again, he may blossom into a two-way centre, but that seems a little doubtful.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Personally
I think getting Stamkos for 7.5 million is a steal. Sure he’s not as great a two-way center as the players you mentioned, but neither of those players have a 50 goal season on their record, let alone doing it at 20 years old.
Somewhere in Philly, Travis Hughes is sobbing and wondering how exactly Stamkos didn't end up a Flyer.
Tool.
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Detroit Red Wings : China
You mean aside from reality?
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
Oh well, they did sign Jon Kalinski and some other guy.....so woo hoo!
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Detroit Red Wings : China
Why doesn't he just use create a player?
That’s real. Right?
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
The NHL banned it's use in 1998
too many owners were creating 7 foot tall, 300 lb. snipers and playmakers named after themselves.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 19, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm almost 30
and I still do this. Although, I do use my actual height.
I try to be realistic
I mean, I do have an insane wrister and slap shot. I’m also a pretty BA skater, passer, fighter, checker, deker, stick handler and I am a grown man on the dot…Gretzky grew up striving to play hockey like I do…
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
by BA you really mean
Below average, don’t you.
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
Yes...shh
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
Ah,
Eric Lindros…
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
Fail
I feel like Eric Lindros…Maple Leaves version.
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
At least they love hockey...
Because their interpretation of the english language is tragically flawed.
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
by Brady Haupt on Jul 19, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
genius
+1
I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.
by ITypedforMiles on Jul 19, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Stamkos is resigned by Tampa
$37.5M for 5yrs
Enjoy it while it lasts Boston, cause the Hawks are coming to take back what is ours.
I'm surprised Ozzie's getting no love for the best NHL goalie fight ever
by Paul the Fossil on Jul 19, 2011 3:52 PM CDT reply actions
I feel like
Roy fought better, but Ozzie didn’t let up and eventually got the take down… draw?
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Hockeenight and Al Cimaglia Hawks podcast.
Good shit.
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Detroit Red Wings : China
Interesting to hear Al expound on his earlier column
Seems like the org’s really high on Stanton right now, could be the next promotion from RockVegas, unless Klinkhammmer beats him to it. Surprised that no one talked about Morin, though – that guy’s on my list for a promtion after training camp.
I was just thinking of that
Hopefully recovery goes well and he can get back to business. I’m excited to see all the guys back to 100% this fall.
Hawks!
by BlackhawksFan22 on Jul 19, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
From the
Blackhawks head team physician Dr. Michael Terry:
Patrick Kane underwent surgery today to repair a scaphoid fracture in his left wrist. The surgery went very well and we anticipate a full recovery. Patrick will begin doing modified preseason workouts shortly and we hope for a full return to activity in six to eight weeks.
"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Harry Potter
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams
by justforkicks on Jul 19, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting tidbit
Elliotte Friedman is his latest 30 thoughts which was posted just a few hours ago said that the Blackhawks looked into bringing Havlat back but a deal could not be reached with Minnesota. Not that it matters now but found it interesting.
That would have been awesome
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Goodness
That would’ve been majestic. Jesus freaking Havlat on Sharpie and Hossa’s line?
From this moment forward, the People’s Champion, The Shelby Sensation, The Reverse Apache Master, The Man with the Golden d*ck, Doctor Cock and Balls, that Kenny Powers is now dead...
by Brady Haupt on Jul 19, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Who would retain the Jesus moniker?
Havlat or Hossa?
Or would you just call it the Jesus H line?
by transienthawk on Jul 19, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, I just found a potato chip that looks like Havlat.
Take me to the volcano!
by Joe Banks on Jul 19, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
really?
Hossa’s face magically burned itself into my bread when I was making a grilled cheese the other day
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jul 20, 2011 5:57 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Brilliant Tim Sassone
Said that never happened.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jul 20, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
and someone actually asked him or "begged him"
to have Rozner join twitter. I found this hilarious
October 7th, can't get here soon enough...
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