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Paperwork - Hawks 5, Wild 2

Left foot blue.

It took a while, but it's finally starting to actually feel like winter. Snow is on the ground, Sam is freezing his ass off outside of Gate 3, and the Hawks are able to brush aside an inferior team with a modest effort and superior depth. Some early and late rebound issues from Ray Emery made things a little more interesting than even the scoreboard would indicate, as the Wild hardly got a sniff for the vast majority of the game, even on the advantage. Hawks 5, Wild 2, and one point closer to reclaiming the Central from the fried-ravioli mongers with their OT loss to Vancouver. To the snow-encased bullets.

Observations

  • So the story is going to be Andrew Shaw and Jimmy Hayes, as it probably should be. While Shaw's goal was as soft and fluffy as the drifts outside, he's still provided energy and a bit of physicality for his diminutive stature, and as we're starting to see, a decent set of hands on his first two goals. As for Hayes, on his goal, he showed quite a bit of hockey accumen by popping out from in front of the net and squaring up to the looping around Dave Bolland, giving Bolland a target and giving himself space to pick his spot against Josh Harding. But again people, sample sizes. There's a cautionary tale with 8:15 of ice time a little further down the wrap.
  • Even with that nice play, however, it still wasn't enough to keep Quenneville from swapping in Michael Frolik on the line at even strength with Bolland and Marian Hossa. The same Michael Frolik on whose tape many an offensive zone possession dies with an ill advised shot from a bad angle. I'm sure Marian Hossa was thrilled. That being said, Frolik's defensive work has been exemplary, even if he couldn't hit snow if he fell off a salt truck right now. It also came at the expense of breaking up a nice unit of Frolik, Brunette, and Shaw, which had numerous sustained possessions in the early going.
  • And back to Shaw, while Fels put out the clarion call to get Shaw a nickname, how about everyone works on getting the kid a real jersey number first. As Pat Foley pointed out during the broadcast, there's only one 65 in town, and it's Patrick Damn Mannelly. Spare me your Kelly Wunsch stories. And no, suggesting "Shaw Shank" for the 87th time isn't original or clever, and that movie is emotionally manipulative schlock.
  • Viktor Stalberg, Professional Bum Slayer. Probably says so on his business card. If it doesn't, it should.
  • While Pat and Edzo couldn't wait to toss bouquets Sean O'Donnell's way for his play tonight, which was justifiable, their assertion that he's been solid all year is simply inaccurate. But over the last couple games, he and Montador have returned to their October-ish form that bordered somewhere between "invisible competence" and "pretty decent", which is all that can be asked of a third pair.
  • Pretty good time for Dave Bolland to finally wake up, huh?
  • Two sets of actual defensemen on the power play points, and two goals against a decent Minny PK. I'm sure Quenneville will chalk it up to a fluke and put Leddy in front and Mayers on a point for Saturday, because these units as presently comprised don't illustrate Q's tactical geniusness nearly enough.
  • Not game related, but possibly indirectly Hawks related - Mike Cammalleri was traded this evening back to Calgary for the eminently suspendable Rene Bourque, in an exchange of bad paper for bad paper. But Cammy's getting paid more than Bourque and is younger, and the Flames are already dry humping the cap. The first move in Jay Feaster's plan for life without Iggy, or a petulant move by Gauthier and the Habs after Cammalleri's comments to the always rational Montreal press? Stay tuned.
  • Bryan Bickell and Ben Smith with 8:44 and 8:15 played respectively, and almost none of it came when the game was tied or still in question. Four shifts a piece in the first half of the game. I hope Bickell doesn't have more than a couple months left on the lease on his apartment.
  • In a game the Hawks controlled for the vast majority, Leddy and Hammer were still in the red on Corsi. This isn't going away. Those numbers also explain in Quenneville logic why Jimmy Hayes was relieved of his top 6 duties.
  • Did anyone else's sphincter clench more than they'd like to admit after the Seabrook-Staubitz collision?
  • It had been written here over the past month or two that the secondary scoring needed to actually start picking up some of the slack, especially now with Patrick Sharp missing significant time (though given Sharp's perennial drop-off with the change of the calendar year, it could be argued just how significant), and they've done so in a timely manner since Sharp was felled. However, far sterner tests are coming over the weekend, and Patrick Kane going back to "Fuck You Mode" would certainly amplify the lower half's of the roster's contributions.
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Bolland!

Both goals were easy but he is finally to show a little offense. Maybe it is a product of playing with hossa but still I like it.

I am also still annoyed with Q for breaking up the frolik-shaw-brunette line, they were dynamic.

by lobster on Jan 12, 2012 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

Pretty much.

Still he helped create more chances that didn’t find the back of the net and has been looking better offensively lately.

by lobster on Jan 12, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Q seems to enjoy the "promotion to the highest level of incompetence" approach

If you do well with the 3rd line, we’ll just keep moving you up till you’re useless again…hopefully it was just Q trying some things out since the game was pretty well under control. But who knows

when did you run into will smith!?

by desertindian on Jan 13, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Buzzshaw is my vote for SCH Meme!!

A nod to his gritty, electric style

100% Blackhawks Blood.

by DaHawx on Jan 12, 2012 11:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

because I'm a caring sort of guy

I stuck up a fanpost to debate this very issue…

"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"

by mightymike D on Jan 12, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

ticks all relevant boxes!

"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"

by mightymike D on Jan 12, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Obscure?

Didn’t they put the club, or at least Emma Frost in that turd of another X-men movie? /neckbeard

by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 12, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't see it, so maybe.

Second City Hockey
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame

by McClure on Jan 12, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Neither did I, but I had heard.

After the first set of movies shit all over everything I held dear about my childhood xmen, I passed. Also the wolverine movie. So much for getting excited about deadpool.

by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 12, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't see it either

but I heard First Class was actually really good.

There are some who call me........Tim?

Tremendously tremendous! Beautius J. Beautius!

Fuck Radim Vrbata.

by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jan 13, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

um

x1 was ok, x2 was good, x3 was horrendous, wolverine was entertaining although much less for pooing on cannon and giving him cgi blades, but first class was great. BEHOLD MICHAEL FASSBENDER. that guy can act like a beast even in a popcorn flick.

by Raditzzzz on Jan 13, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

haven't seen first class yet but I've heard really good things

I otherwise agree with your assessments of the other movies. Wolverine was actually somewhat entertaining, and also hilarious (though unintentionally) but that doesn’t mean that it was by any means a good movie. Sometimes mindless entertainment is appreciated though.

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.

by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I haaaaated Wolverine.

Hated everything about it. I’d rather watch a 24 hour marathon of X3 than sit through Origins again.

There are some who call me........Tim?

Tremendously tremendous! Beautius J. Beautius!

Fuck Radim Vrbata.

by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jan 13, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

thats

really saying something.

by Raditzzzz on Jan 13, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, you really did not like that movie

I’d rather continually punch myself in the throat for 2 hours than watch X3 again. Wolverine was at least hilarious, unintentionally albeit but still hilarious

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.

by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I second that suggestion

based on the fact that I had likely used the same thought process to arrive at the exact same nickname.

by japlews on Jan 13, 2012 2:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey dude

Just bought an iphone,where do i find the SCH app?

by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jan 13, 2012 7:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not an SCH app per se

It’s a Sports Blog Nation app, which as you know SCH is a part of. Just search the App store for “SB Nation” and you’ll find it

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.

by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks a lot

Frank i’m gonna go check it out right away!

by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jan 13, 2012 7:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

2x4s! America!

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Jan 13, 2012 6:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Now all

We need is to put HackShaw’s head on there and get rid of the 2×4 and throw in a hockey stick!

by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jan 13, 2012 7:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

absolutely not...

with the way our little “Dennis the Menace” plays, the 2×4 has to stay!

by wardrums on Jan 13, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

My vote goes for HackShaw as well. He may even start carrying a 2x4 around. Also he looks about 13 years old with his helmet on.

I hate to hear these words, "We hope you enjoyed the broadcast in spite of the outcome." I would rather enjoy the outcome inspite of the broadcast.

by I Love Hawkey on Jan 13, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

My vote goes for HackShaw!

A special place in my heart for Jim Duggan, now we just need a Jake the Snake Roberts.

Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^

by TazerNation19 on Jan 13, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

What do you think is

More likely to happen after the Hawks land a Jake,a russian named Nikolai so we can call him Volkoff,or someone named George so we can call him The Animal Steele!

by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jan 13, 2012 12:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Jaws is my favorite movie

So I vote for Quint, after Robert Shaw’s character… even if it isn’t the best nickname!

by TKHO on Jan 13, 2012 7:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Because I always think of George Bernard Shaw

Pygmalion

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking "Earnest" for the same reason

As in “Importance of being…”

This is my haiku
It is only three lines long
Thanks for reading it

by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 13, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Considering last week our 3rd pairing was Scott and Olsen

and Scott got like 3 minutes, I’ll take what I saw from OD and Monty tonight. I’d like to think that they were better than you say, but even if they weren’t, I’ll take it.

If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead

by Z-man24 on Jan 12, 2012 11:29 PM CST reply actions  

Yup.

Pretty early in the year they made a pretty good pair as well so I think they are the go to 3rd pair for me.

by lobster on Jan 12, 2012 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

And can we please at least try Lepisto

when OD needs the night off or when we are playing a speed team. That is if he still actually exists.

If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead

by Z-man24 on Jan 12, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

This sums it up

“invisible competence”

"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"

by Joe Banks on Jan 13, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

For a 3rd pair that's exactly what you want

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.

by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly!

"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"

by Joe Banks on Jan 13, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Eat up some minutes and don't suck

This is my haiku
It is only three lines long
Thanks for reading it

by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

A few impressions from my first live Blackhawk game since the old Stadium...nothing much new that hasn't been said already

(1) That opening montage and light show at the UC is pretty cool, really professional
(2) Jimmy Hayes has really spindly legs, gets knocked down too easily…he needs to grow a Toews-butt, then he’ll be unstoppable. He’s not real fond of contact for his size, don’t know if we need a 6’6" sniper, he’ll probably grow into a power-type forward at some point
(3) Kaner is not real engaged right now, he gets by on some pretty amazing natural talent
(4) Montador is not a deep thinker, he makes all kinds of dumb plays
(5) I thought OD was really solid, he plays a simple game but knows the right thing to do almost every time, I liked him a lot
(6) Duncan Keith is a great defenceman, and in person he is pretty damn fast, not as fluid as Leddy but elite describes him well
(7) Leddy is beautiful to watch, a smoother skater than Soupy was
(8) Brian Bickell skates as well as anyone in the NHL, but geez, no impact on the game, just a shame given what he could be
(9) The Hawks really do look like they have a few holes to fill, they just don’t look like they are mature enough all around to engage other top teams easily at playoff time
(10) The Hawks have the best overall skating team in the NHL, with a couple of more solid defencemen they could easily be the champs this year and relevant for many years to come

No Swagger, No Dagger

by Saskjet on Jan 12, 2012 11:55 PM CST reply actions  

regarding Kaner

That added strength we saw him carry into this season is gone. He’s just not as strong as he was and it’s showing of late.

by aeroplane on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

He had a chip on his shoulder and point to prove in October. Looks sloppy lately from my vantage point at UC.

by Karl Granitza on Jan 13, 2012 12:12 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

hilarious name btw

is Lee Stern hanging around as well? Do you remember your old restaurant on Clyborne, Coco Rico?

by Waylon on Jan 13, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

well, he's definitely aware of his play, based on his comments about going to ASGs.

its a vicious cycle of the slump, confidence, scoring touch, and subsequent enthusiasm for playing.

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 13, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmm.

Hayes looked strong in the crease tonight. At least one PP shift he wedged himself in immovably but Hawks mustered 0 shots while he was there.

by Karl Granitza on Jan 13, 2012 12:16 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

If you read his prospect report

it implies the same thing, but that hopefully he’s just growing into his frame and will learn to become more of a punisher.

I’m happy for the kid. I’ve been quietly pining for him and Kevin to become the Hawks version of the creepy twins in the future. Didn’t expect him to be up so soon and he’s making the most of it.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I know the comparision is there

But a voice in my head (yeah, I know) is screaming “No! Don’t compare them to that!”

It was curious how how Stanbow traded for Jimmy right after drafting Kevin. Perhaps he was thinking the same thing?

"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"

by Joe Banks on Jan 13, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I always thought so

Plus he got Toews’ little bro. Now he just needs Seabs’ brother Keith.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I think they picked up Toews little brother

mostly as a courtesy to Cap’n Serious since it doesn’t look like he’s much of an NHL caliber talent on his own. Maybe a 4th line bum slayer one day, maybe…

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.

by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Seabs' brother's name is Keith?

I hope he doesn’t play for us anytime soon b/c that could get confusing… what with having both a D line of Keith-Seabs and an individual “Keith Seabs”

by VBWally on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

My statement might be a lil cornfusing (again)

….my bad. #39 uses his big body and has great hands. Lead the team with 4 hits (tied with Seabs) . He is immovable in front of the net. He reminds me of a large puppy dog kind of gangly, but you just can’t teach size . Looks pretty good for being so young.

Bickell is in a supernova funk. He is skating, playing like he is on thin ice. Hope he can pull out.

Ver™

by ccm on Jan 13, 2012 5:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Bickel

Created space for Shaw on the 1st goal. I’ve noticed a bit more giddy up the last couple games.

Bickel Bickel Bickel.

We like our people!

by cliffkoroll on Jan 13, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Did you see

how close to Bickel’s head Shaw’s shot came? It even looked like Bickel flinched as it went by.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark

by gwood on Jan 13, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

Bickell definitely has been playing with more urgency lately – the criticism would abate a bit if he notched some points – but it’s not like he’s been getting 15 minutes a game. I know a lot of people would say that’s a good thing – but I can’t really find a lot to criticize when I see him on the ice

by wardrums on Jan 13, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

agree as well...

he could benefit from some consistency as well, but Bicks has been competent lately.

by aeroplane on Jan 13, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Bickell needs a little bit of Shaw's desire

I thought Hayes did a great job battling for position in front of harding. He’s not o easy to move.

The hawks have no visible holes. We have a pat hand. stay healthy and the Cup returns to the snowy city. (my heart went out to Sam hacking his wares by the lamp post on Madison – hell, Bickell needs a little of Sam’s desire

by wardrums on Jan 13, 2012 6:57 AM CST up reply actions  

yes.

poor Hockey Wilderness were making comments like “hey we should draft a guy like that…” on Leddy’s play.

SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.

by ahnfire on Jan 13, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

hey guys

thanks for beating our stupid, annoying division rivals who play stupid annoying hockey.

We tried to return the favor for your stupid annoying rivals and their stupid hockey. sorry for giving them a loser point.

by Wisp on Jan 13, 2012 12:22 AM CST reply actions  

its cool. I can’t hate you after all the shit that come out of bruintown this week.

by Wisp on Jan 13, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Bruin town?

Sure julien was being a homer when talking about marchand but that is expected. AV is a very bad coach and he is by far the worst coach of a cup contending team. I truly can’t remember the last playoff series where he out-coached his opposition.

by lobster on Jan 13, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Man I didn’t even go into about what I considered Bruins shit, but you just had this rant about AV all prepared and roaring to go! random, lol!

I don’t want to argue about things and exchange trash talk right now. I’m just trying to be friendly. we’ve had few friendly faces from Second City hanging around NM the last little bit and I’m not going to be the one to ruin that.

by Wisp on Jan 13, 2012 1:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree about Julien

when he said that after Marchand’s royal dick move, I think both him and AV are right up there of current head coaches who are complete douche canoes. A pox on both of their houses.

by Waylon on Jan 13, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

but wouldn’t a cup final between our two teams have been marvelous?

by Wisp on Jan 13, 2012 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

it ticked me off when some reporter wrote that the Van/Bos rivalry...

might be the best in hockey. Make no mistake about, Van and their fans are our Ho’s.

must of been a good one in St Loooie last night

by wardrums on Jan 13, 2012 7:00 AM CST up reply actions  

tsk tsk

giving a point the the Blues. But golf clap for trying ;)

SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.

by ahnfire on Jan 13, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Sentimentality is wicked, but cynicism is worse. Still calling him Shank in the privacy of my own home. It doubles as a dagger synonym.

stay still. shut up. pay attention. adopt as signature moves.
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by JuliaM on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 AM CST reply actions  

Actually 6 shifts each in the first 30, but who's counting?

I mean, it’s not that 4th liners avg 8:30 mins and 13 shifts and that’s what they got, right?

Q must have it in for those guys since the 4th line actually scored a freakin goal and they were both +1’s. And who needs secondary scoring anyways? It’s not like everyone’s been whining about it lately.

Funny stuff!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 AM CST reply actions  

secondary scoring is overrated.

the goalies, now they need to step up their offensive prowess. our lazy bastards only have a single assist between the two of them.

SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.

by ahnfire on Jan 13, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

TRADE THEM ALL!

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 13, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

and not a single goal!

/ward’d

Hey! I take penumbrage at that!

by ratbite on Jan 13, 2012 4:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The top 3 lines were going so well so I kind of get it.

At the same time it was a 3 goal game to start the 3rd so he should have been rolling.

by lobster on Jan 13, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm just going to back away slowly now.

night all

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 13, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah, okee dokee

And here I was thinking I was focusing on “results.”

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha

You fuckers are hilarious!

I’ll put my “eye test” up against 98.6324159% of this site. How does using stats (facts) to confirm or calibrate my eye test make me wrong? Maybe if I just blather off like many others, I’d be more convincing in my argument?

“Hey, dat Bickell guy not so bad! He play good!!”

Or maybe with a basic understanding of fundamental hockey strategy, like matchups, the reason for their 6 – no 4 – shifts would be completely obvious?

(click for larger view)

Q was matching them against the Wild’s 3rd and 4th lines. They scored the Hawks first goal during that stretch against Minny’s 3rd line He had so little trust in them, that he put them out there for a FO against the top line of Koivu, Heatley and Setoguchi. Hmmm.

That was where I noticed their only obvious mistake. Mayers lost the draw. MIN entered the Hawks zone. Smith quickly gained possession but makes a bad pass and turns it over (no other player history has done this, mind you). Bickell gets it right back and is able to deflect it out to center ice, allowing for a quick change (since they were all right in front of the bench). But Minny doesn’t change and rotates the puck quickly to the far boards. They entered the zone with numbers, but nothing came of it. It was a bad change because the puck wasn’t deep, but that’s on Q who obviously called for it. (Maybe if I had used my eyes I might recall this sequence!!)

After that he matches them with the 4th line for the next 13 mins (which included 4 mins of PP time) And they’re on the ice every time Minny’s 4th line is (red boxes on chart).

Seems to make logical sense to me, but apparently “logic” isn’t an acceptable defense around here.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Don Quixote

Fighting windmills again I see. :)

by DaleHalas on Jan 13, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Question:

Where did you go to get that chart? It’s fancy and I like it.

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Jan 13, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah thanks

I just usually come here for the comments.

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

timeonice.com

Then use the game number in the URL for the game at NHL.com. For example:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2011020639

That’s the URL for last night’s game. The highlighted portion is the five digit game number for timeonice.com

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 13, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Very cool

Thanks for your guys’ help!

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Jan 14, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't read it

The shifts all even out over time, don’t they?

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 13, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

his witchcraftery is out of control of late...

it’s making a lot of us uncomfortable and I wish he would just stop thinking he was always right.

by aeroplane on Jan 13, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I really liked the frolik Hackshaw Bruno line

They may have been effective because they were playing Minne’s 4th line – I didn’t pay close enoughattention to who they were matched against.

By the way CNS – reaaly liked the creepy twins moniker for the hayes brothers.

by wardrums on Jan 13, 2012 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

For clarification's sake

My point was that for guys that had a lot more significant roles not too long ago (or in Smith’s case, in the wet dreams of the press), their ice time has been usurped by kids with less than 10 games of experience, which is serving to illustrate how spurious their results were in the first place.

Second City Hockey
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame

by McClure on Jan 13, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I get it

but you were using stats to make your argument Matt. If you would have used your eye test to illustrate your point, I might have given it more credence.

OK, OK, I’ll stop! Try the veal!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Did you read my reply to your comment in the colorado wrap?

We disagreed with the fault level assigned to leddy, and that was fine, but it’s stuff like the Campbell jab at the end that annoys me.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about with the Killion comment, I probably missed all that.

In instances when someone makes a comment about your hockey accumen (like lobster, above), then I can see why some sarcasm and condescension might be warranted. But why reply to bullet points like someone insulted you?

This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.

Second City Hockey

by Hack on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah, no need for me to reply at all, really

You guys go ahead and write with impunity. I’ll just go stare at shadows on a cave wall. I don’t want to annoy anyone, even if some of the ridiculous shit written personally annoys me.

And there was much rejoicing. Yay!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Come on!

I’ve been here before. So have you.

It’s still a good time, even if people piss you off.

Go make me a chart, it’ll make you feel better.

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 13, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I see what you did there

Kidding aside, I enjoy reading your comments and your Photoshops are fantastic. The passive-aggressive jabs, on the other hand, doesn’t fit in well with your otherwise great contributions.

by TKHO on Jan 13, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, full-on martyrdom?

Again, you put words in my mouth to try and “win” an argument that isn’t even really an argument.

When did I ask for impunity? Disagree all you want, but why does the only punishment for our unpaid blogging crimes have to be your condescension and sarcasm? It’s a question, not an argument.

This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.

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by Hack on Jan 13, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Full-on martyrdom?

I wasn’t trying to make a grand exit, but if you want to highlight it as such, fine.

Announcement: I freely admit I deserve some of what comes my way (but some of the shit is over the top). Even people who drive me batshit crazy on this site, I can still have a laugh with at time to time. Believe me when I tell you I’m chuckling when I write much of my drivel. You know what martyrdom is? “CNS forced me to stop commenting on SCH!” Puhleeez, I was the reason the Z button was invented.

I expect some grief from commenters, but when I’m called out three times in a week by the writers of this site (the Triumvirate of Snark) as being condescending and sarcastic (pot meet kettle?), it’s just probably time for me to not comment on what you guys write for everyone’s sake. That’s all. Plus, I’d be a fool to not admit it’s a losing battle.

Why should I lighten up on you guys? I mean, this coming from the site that regularly calls out other writers and throws them very publicly under the bus? I have abso-fucking-lutely no problem with that, but c’mon. Glass houses and all. It’s all in fun. I actually like you guys (at a distance ;) and appreciate what you do. If ya’ll think I’m an asshole, well, get the fuck in line.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought this was the line for free soup.

But it turns out its the “CNS is an *” line. Much less nourishing.

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I figured that would have been insta-green.

BE MORE HATED!

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You know what

State your opinions however you like. This isn’t a blessing, it’s just a reply that attempts to bring some finality to this ridiculous discussion, (which admittedly, I started).

Apparently, (based on the points that you and Halas make) there’s no good way to distinguish between the opinions (and manner in which they are presented) of each individual writer of this, or any other blog.

This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.

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by Hack on Jan 13, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously Hack you are going to have to decide what kind of site you have.

If you are going to let McClure be, well, McClure then you are going to have to deal with pith and sarcastic responses.

On the other hand if you want everyone to treat everyone else with respect then by all means go for it. I’ll be your biggest supporter. But you do have to start at the top. And understand I was ridiculed out of the conversation when I tried to talk about “posting without coercion” a while ago on this very site.

I quess you can have it either way. But what is totally stupid is the whole John Jaeckel approach to blogging. You know the “I can trash you anytime I want because I’m the blogger but if you say anything bad about me, I’ll ban you sillyness.”

To be honest, I think the best thing about SCH is that the bloggers rarely bother to read the comments. It’s more of a forum here and that puts almost everyone on equal footing. Again, if you want more than that, Hack, I’ll be your biggest supporter. But right now, this approach makes that whole NHL “wheel of justice” thing look pretty objective and fair.

by DaleHalas on Jan 13, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Not for nothing,

but when you post an article for publication, I truly believe you’ve made an implicit contract with your readers that — in exchange for the time they’ve taken to read it — they get to comment freely on what they think of it, and you just shut up and take it. If you don’t have skin thick enough for that, then you shouldn’t have a by-line.

And as for sarcasm? I have to agree that none of the lead writers on this site have any basis for complaining about what they get in light of the absolute fist-fucking regularly they regularly dole out to writers/reporters at other sites/publications.

I’m not trying to take a stand on who’s right/who’s wrong in this little tete-a-tete, since I’m not familiar with the dust-ups going back to prior threads. But I did want to make that general observation.

An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)

by 334Rules on Jan 13, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

this sounds good
but when you post an article for publication, I truly believe you’ve made an implicit contract with your readers that — in exchange for the time they’ve taken to read it — they get to comment freely on what they think of it, and you just shut up and take it.

But how realistic is it? Are you saying that we shouldn’t get to defend our opinions?

And Below, JFK makes a strong point. At what scale/blogging level does your statement no longer apply?

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by Hack on Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Everybody just take a 'lude

thin skinned whiny types. Why get upset? Defend yourself if attacked. Attack if you want. I didn’t see a crucifix on the door when I came in so my church manners didn’t come either.

BUT

How about those Blackhawks? They play Detroit on Saturday. If you are easily upset, I don’t suggest hanging around here for that one, but if you can take it with a grain of salt, join in. It’s a good time. If it’s me that is threatening you, I wont be there so have at it. I will be in Detroit watching Bantam games.

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 13, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Good questions, Hack.

I’m only an amateur journalistic ethicist, so I won’t pretend to have all the answers. And I understand that there’s also a dilemma due to the dichotomy presented here: it’s not just a site where “authors” post articles and “readers” post comments. Part of the attraction is the dialogue.

But I guess my suggestion still gets back to the “authors” needing to have a bit thicker skin. Let the “readers” take their whacks, and shrug it off. Kind of the “be the bigger man (woman) about it” attitude. If the person criticizing lacks a good basis for their criticism, other posters will call them out — count on it. And you do get to defend your opinion, in the form of long-form posts which can continue to put that opinion out there.

An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)

by 334Rules on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I generally like Hack's comments though.

And the others, though they comment less frequently. I think their contributions to discussions, whether it’s about something that’s written by them or one of the others, shouldn’t be discouraged just because they wrote about it.

Having thicker skin is one thing, but Code Name Duchess has a point too.

by Katherine215 on Jan 13, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

CND does indeed

and I’m with KtG on this one.. plus my general man-crush on this blog is already a Matter of Record
We’re lucky to have the ToS, Hack, Julia and SCS.. we’re also lucky with Ahn, Stacie, Skags and Skeen.. and most of all we have excellent, intelligent, passionate posters who really do care about the Hawks and Hockey (and many, many other things) I’m a frequent visitor to opposition sites and sometimes it’s just me and the tumbleweed there.. as opposed to SCH where there’s ALWAYS something going on.. and one of the bestest things is the free-exchange of thoughts and ideas here… looking at the demographic of SCH we have Military people and Pacifists, Left and Right wingers (politically!), people in multiple timezones and even continents.. people who would probably never get along ion real life but can come together here to.. well, talk about Hockey, go OT, generally have a good time. And I think that’s great. But (there has to be a but, doesn’t there?) I’m definitely thinking that we need to scale back the anger a bit.. unless it’s a St. Louis Troll or someone deliberately provoking a response.. then it’s fun to do a communal ass-kicking.
Bloody hell. This went on WAY longer than I’d planned. maybe I should stick to the “Comedy”..

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by mightymike D on Jan 13, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Bravo, CND

Bravo.

Thank you, sir! May I have another?

by Badgerdano on Jan 13, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

.

No Swagger, No Dagger

by Saskjet on Jan 13, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I rec'd this post and your name.

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Jan 14, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

#39 is a little better

but still feels like a “you’ll be back in rockford before long” number… yeah #65? where the hell did he come up with that?

skeletons don't like closets.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 AM CST reply actions  

Unless you're an offensive linemen in the NFL

No. 65 is just not something you want on your jersey. Not a good sign for ya.

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by DMelt36 on Jan 13, 2012 2:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I like it.

I have a personal attachment to the number and I always use it for my player in the NHL video games, But, that’s me.

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Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.

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by KrilDog on Jan 13, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought they played

A good solid game,D2K was good again,and Stalberg was a monster,scored a goal and forced two penalties,and he had a few nice defensive plays…toews assist on staly’s goal was beautiful,got the puck entered the zone was hit,kept the puck,and then a great pass to an open stalberg for a goal,Started out great at the dot and ended up with a 57 fo percentage

by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jan 13, 2012 3:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

i think

that might be the first time stalberg has been called a monster hockey player around here.

by Raditzzzz on Jan 13, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha

I know it sounds a bit weird,but imo that is being a monster,the wild were called for 2penalties because of what Staly was doing on the ice,and if i am correct they scored on one of those power plays,so you could say he was part of two goals and not just the one…anyways just wanted to say that i thought he played really well

by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Jan 13, 2012 8:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i actually think

that is an underrated part of his game. his speed does force a fair amount of penalties from the opposing team. wonder how that stat looks compared to other players. that said, he is known to take some bonehead penalties himself, but i do agree that he has elevated his game.

by Raditzzzz on Jan 13, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Is it just me

or has anyone else noticed that Stalberg’s ability to control the puck has gotten better of late? In the past I feel like everytime he had possession along the boards in the offensive zone, he would lose control of it and turn it over. Last night he even pulled some Hossaesque moves to maintain possession. It was nice to see.

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by gwood on Jan 13, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Young guys improving and continuing to develop as they're given more ice time, more responsibility, and better linemates?

No, that doesn’t seem right, must be a fluke.

Yeah, Stals has looked pretty solid of late – hopefully we’re lucky and he keeps playing at this level!

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup, agree

Stalberg is definitely looking better with the puck.

Please make it last. Please make it last. Please make it last. (twss?)

Could you imagine what a huge boost to this team it would be if Stals continues to consistently play at this level?? Bring in a 2C for Sharp and Hossa and the Hawks have two ridiculously good top lines. (c’mon does anyone really think Kruger is the long term answer this year?)

Dropping Kruger down also gives the Hawks another defensively able player on the bottom two lines. This daydream is getting better by the minute.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

That is one nice daydream you have

It would essentially mean the Hawks could put everyone in their place. No one would be playing in the top 6 who shouldn’t be there (what a novel concept). Being able to slide Kruger down to center the 4th line with Mayers and [insert name] would make our already better than average depth stuff of daydreams.

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by gwood on Jan 13, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I might like Hayes or Shaw in the [insert name] spot

Hayes has a big body with some skill in a kid that’s working hard to prove himself. Shaw doesn’t have the size but provides a lot of energy with a little skill as well. Either of them playing with a defensively sound Kruger and ‘sandpapery’ Mayers could be solid.

I think that puts Bruno on the checking line and Bicks in the bench, so really this is just me spit-balling a bit…

by VBWally on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I was thinking Shaw mostly because his game seems to fit the 4th line better

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by gwood on Jan 13, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree

i haven’t been as high on the kruger cool aid as some, finding him more passable than above average. not a dig at krug, because there are other guys on the team who couldn’t even be passable on the top lines, and i think he might have the potential to hack it up there one day, but at present i found him to be more of a stop gap. have still been wanting a real 2nd line center, but am genuinely curious what stanbow does before the trade deadline.

by Raditzzzz on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Sample size or not

Shaw and Hayes are certainly passing the eye test, even not taking into account the goals scored. They’ve certainly done much more to impress than Smith and Bickell. I’m not going man-crush on them, for sure, but I like what I see and hope it continues.

by TKHO on Jan 13, 2012 7:38 AM CST reply actions  

I still like Bicks

And think he’s a useful body.

by aeroplane on Jan 13, 2012 7:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

So no one apparently noticed that Hayes wasn't very effective with Bolland and Hossa?

He was constantly a step behind and struggled to get possession along the boards. That’s probably why Q dropped him off that line. But Shaw, Hayes and Brunette together were awful defensively. That line had absolutely ZERO backcheck – and that’s not good for a 3rd line.

Luckily, Q didn’t match 3vs1 at home as usual. He matched 3vs3, but I think that line still got scored on twice. Oh, and when they should have been getting additional minutes, Jimmy was sitting on the bench. (only 4 shifts in the last 22 mins when every other line had at least double that – how did this get overlooked??) Hopefully Jimmy didn’t like, because Jimmy will soon be in Rockford if Jimmy doesn’t work on his defense. Not a 3rd line I want to see against SJ or DET.

I actually don’t blame that line for playing poorly. By design, I wouldn’t expect a line of those three to succeed. But I’m not gonna ignore their limitations either. The kids are doing great for being Rockford call-ups, but let’s relax with the AHL hero worship.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

When you're skating with Bolland & Hossa

I can see why you might have some defensive lapses. I thought Hayes played pretty well tonight. I find the lack of physicality comments to be inaccurate. Hits are a flawed stat. Hayes was typically the first guy in on a forecheck when he was on a line that would dump and chase. He didn’t always do the right thing once he arrived at the puck, but he wasn’t afraid to throw his body around when he got there.

Kid is 21 years old. For as green as he is, I think he’s playing just fine. Temper your expectations.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 13, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I think my expectations are completely tempered as I clearly state in the last paragraph above

And I didn’t say he was soft or afraid to go to the right places. He’s doing the right things offensively, but I guess I should just ignore any errors he makes.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

three vs three's

So with Bolland playing with Hossa, Q reverts to the Hybrid approach of that line taking on the other teams top lines. So in effect, Bolland is the number one line, Toews is the second line and Shaw played the third line. And the third line is now supposed to be a scoring line.

So here is my question, When Sharp returns, is there anyway for the Hawks to create a real third scoring line and play that way? Otherwise this season is still on Bickell and Frolik getting some kind of chemistry back with Bolland. Those two kids and Mayers might be able to at least keep the puck in the offensive zone when they are against other teams 4th lines but it is back to the third line to make this team a real cup contender.

by DaleHalas on Jan 13, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

And btw

Thanks for making the time to show the matchups of last nights game. That way I didn’t have to.

by DaleHalas on Jan 13, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

If only we could clone January 2012 Stalberg

Yes, I’d like to see that too, but I think it’s becoming a pipe dream with how well he’s done with 88-19 and Sharp’s injury.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Relax, CNS

I’M NOT ARGUING WIT… oops. Sorry. I’m not arguing, just discussing.

You don’t have to ignore the mistakes. He makes them. So does everyone else. I think it’s just nice to have some AHL callups that are contributing is all. They’ve got some solid veterans to learn from up here. Hopefully they do so.

On a line with Hossa and Bolland, I’m glad Jimmy is doing the right things offensively. I don’t want him napping in his own zone of course, but I don’t expect him to be a shutdown backchecker either. Maybe if he stays up long enough, we’ll get some, “Did you see Jimmy out there? Jimmy really came back hard on that odd man rush that Jimmy created for the other team. Jimmy was mad at himself for doing so. Jimmy wanted to redeem himself. Jimmy might have given that ginger a compound fracture when Jimmy hit him in the boards. Jimmy thought he looked like an adorable little turtle though after the hit. Jimmy thinks he did good.”

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 13, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

But don't you know JMH that Bickell and Hayes do the same thing.

At least that is what one of the experts on this site keeps saying. Actually Shaw is more of a third line guy than Hayes. And Hayes isn’t really a banger either.

There is a lot of Hayes love right now just like there was a lot of Optimus Prime love after last season. And people need to remember what that got them. Or are people forgetting Ben Fucking Smith.

by DaleHalas on Jan 13, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

When motivated, they do the same thing

I don’t think Bickell has been motivated since there were leaves on the trees. Hayes is playing to stay out of Rockvegas. He’s got a carrot in front of him.

With you on the Ben Smith love though. 12 games in the show created a bit too much hype coming into a new season. Like I said, just happy Jimmy is chipping in while our true top sixers are on the shelf.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 13, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

They don't do the same thing.

And that is one of my beefs with how the NHL/AHL work. Steve Stone once said this about baseball. Why are the best coaches coaching in the major leagues? Shouldn’t they be in the minors when you can still teach these kids something?

If Hayes is going to be up here he needs to be either a banger on the 4th line or a defensive stalwart on the third. So why isn’t he being taught one of those roles in the A?

by DaleHalas on Jan 13, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Because the goal in the A is still to win games

And to win games, they need a talent like Hayes to skate top 6 minutes. Yes, of course they need him to develop skills to use up at the NHL level. But they still need to win games to fill the building. Thus, he skates in a different role to help the Icehogs win.

You won’t like that explanation, but it has some truth to it.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Who could forget Optimus Drive

back-n-forth from Rockford.

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyone else notice

that for the majority of the first period Foley kept referring to the Minnesota goalie as “Backstrom” despite the fact that Harding was in net and Hacket was his back up, i.e. Backstrom wasn’t even suited up for the game? Every broadcast he becomes more and more Harry Caray-esque…

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 7:42 AM CST reply actions  

I did

I had to wonder if Edzo was rolling his eyes every time he said it.

by TKHO on Jan 13, 2012 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I worry that he's about to leap through my computer screen and devour my sould

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

He looks like he's strung out on meth.

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by KrilDog on Jan 13, 2012 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, that's what I was thinking...

Pretty good time for Dave Bolland to finally wake up, huh?

Sometimes I wonder “Is he mailing it in?”

"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"

by Joe Banks on Jan 13, 2012 7:59 AM CST reply actions  

Dave didn't wake up, he just got better teammates

Product of playing with Hossa, probably. But more so a product of not playing with Bickell and Frolik. Really liked the top two lines tonight at even strength. Thought they were able to sustain some nice forechecks and that 2nd line was backchecking better than anyone on the ice. Saw a few nice neutral zone takeaways from both Bolly and Hoss.

The Mayers line also had a few nice shifts against the other squad’s bums.

But Nik Hjalmarsson… what are we going to do with you? If not for the backchecking by some of those forwards, you’d be responsible for at least one other tally for the Wild tonight. He was making Duncan Keith 2010 passes from his own end that never passed the blue line, firing the puck up the boards from behind his own net and leaving his defensive partner out to dry. That type of shit won’t fly against Detroit and San Jose.

As an aside, every time the 39-36-81 line was out there and Hayes managed to maneuver his way into the slot I kept hearing this in my head: “Jimmy’s in the slot! Pass it to Jimmy! Jimmy wants the puck!”

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 13, 2012 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

So what was the reason that many of us were saying he was looking better a few games ago?

Yeah, I think much of it has to do with skating with Hossa, but he has still been skating with Frolik much of the time since moving up and did so for half the game last night.

IMO it has a lot more to do with Bolly being Bolly than the line change. I said a few games ago that you could tell the Rat was about to go on a streak. It’s just being magnified by having Hossa as a linemate. Whatever the reason, good to see though. Now let’s get Kruger back too.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Kruger needs to come back in a hurry

If he can skate on Sunday, that’d be fantastic. These lines were nice against Minny, but against this weekend’s competition, I don’t think they’ll be as friendly.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 13, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's the real question

If Kruger is indeed back within the next week, where does he get inserted into the line-up? I mean he obviously belongs in the line-up as soon as he’s ready to go. Does he go right back to his 2C roll with Hossa and Hayes or Frolik? Does Bolland stay where he’s been hot at 2C while Kruger slots into Bolland’s former roll as 3C (for now at least)? Or does Q ease him back by putting himat 4C and limiting his minutes at least to start with?

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Coin flip IMO

Does Q do his usual “go with the hot line” of Bolly-Hossa, or go with a strong 3rd line? Not much fire power on that 2nd line if he chooses to keep 19-88-25 together and drop Bolland down to 3C.

I guessing he stays at 2C. These could be a couple of game where the top 2 lines earn their paychecks.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

My guess

especially if Kruger is either back this weekend or of the Bolly-Hossa combo stays hot through the weekend, is that when Kruger returns the lines will look something like:
25-19-88
67/39-36-81
67/39-16-65

as per usual, I’ll add the disclaimer that I base this purely on speculation alone

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

If Bolland Hossa take the other teams top lines

it will most likely be:

67/29-36-81

With some attempt at an offensive third line.

by DaleHalas on Jan 13, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Frolik is certainly a possibility

but I feel like Bickell is really falling out of favor. I don’t see him getting waived or shipped out or anything, but I also don’t see him getting top-6 minutes under any circumstance. Third line maybe, more likely 4th line and maybe even press box

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree that it's rather unlikely that he sits

the MUCH more likely scenario is that Smith goes back down to Rockford when Kruger comes back and the roster remains otherwise unchanged. I’m just commenting that it’s not completely outside the realm of possibility that he finds himself in the press box especially since the ‘Hawks wouldn’t need to send anyone down if they put Carcillo on IR

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think Smith goes down

Like McClure said, he was invisible most of the game except for that turnover I mentioned.

If Bolly-Hossa are paired, I have to believe either Hayes or Frolik again, depending on how Q builds/uses the 3rd line. 29-16-67 might be able to hold their own. If so, starting Hayes at 2LW makes sense.

Frolik was an animal out there last night. Unfortunately he’s… Frolik. He’s getting closer to scoring an actual goal though.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You didn't provide anything but your opinion to back this up.

Bolland got better EEEEEEmediately when paired with Hossa. That is a fact. Three goals in three games with Hossa. 9 goals in the previous 41 games. Coincidence? Give him Frolik and Bickell

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 13, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Bolland has only scored an ENG while paired with Hossa

The other 2 goals were on the PK and PP.

So basically, 0 goals. That is a fact, bucko.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

well, technically, that PK goal was when paired with Hossa

but it’s not as if Bolland and Hossa together on the PK has been a rarity this year or anything

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

All right you.

Within the last week I have stated that Bolland needs help. I also stated that he had help in previous years with Havlat Ladd and Hossa. You fucking agreed with me. So now that he has Hossa on his line more often, you are going to play the other side of the fence? The fact is since Hossa has been playing on his line more often, Boilland has been a better offensive player. Here is the link to his NHL game by game analysis
He is better offensively the last three games. What changed? He is playing with Hossa more often. I think Hossa is helping Bolland, just like he helped Kane earlier in the season.

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 13, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I just think his offensive game was already re-emerging, but being paired with Hossa added nitro to the fuel tank. As i said above (blockquotes for everyone!)

It’s just being magnified by having Hossa as a linemate.

I’m solely adding temperance to the idea that will surely echo for years to come, “remember that chemistry Hossa and Bolland had??” They looked good, yes. But Bolland taking 70% of his draws in the offensive zone instead of 30%, helps his game just as much as having Hossa on his line.

And add those two together = Much success!
Oops = 0 goals.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

See that was not hard.

BTW – That shift chart jpg is quite interesting.

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 13, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't think so

I tried having a conversation with it, but it kept throwing out shitty one “liners.”

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

classic laaarmer

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 13, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Qualitative analysis is now fact?

So New Mexican food is really the best food in the world (as I have been saying all along).

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 13, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

fact is fact

BTW – I’m having some fun with CNS. See he is engaged again.

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by laaarmer on Jan 13, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Did Q

flip flop the defensive pairings toward the end of the game last night? I saw Leddy out with Montador and Hjalmarsson with O’Donnell.

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by gwood on Jan 13, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think so

I noticed some odd parings a few times, but I suspect that was mostly due to the puck not getting all of the way deep into the Minnesota end the ‘Hawks only being able to change 1 D at a time instead of having time to change both. I mean I could be wrong and maybe he did randomly change the D pairings, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

You're

probably right because i only remember noticing it once or twice. Just caught me by surprise.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark

by gwood on Jan 13, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

there were one or 2 times where I saw things like Kieth and OD together and I had a WTF moment, but then the puck would leave the zone and when it came back in Seabs would be out there with Kieth and all would be right with the world again

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Photoshop Request

Can one of our illustrious photoshoppers take one of those accident signs that you’d see in factory, you know, like “X days since our last accident” and create one that says “It’s been X days since Michael Frolik has scored a goal?”

I think he may never score again.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 13, 2012 8:39 AM CST reply actions  

c'mon now

he’s bound to get an empty netter sometime in the not-too-distant future

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

How about....

The Shawker?

"Hey Ogie, buy you a soda after the game?"

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by SmartAssMotherPucker on Jan 13, 2012 9:03 AM CST reply actions  

Apparently he spoke about this with Rhett Warrener last night

Which was relayed to the audience on the radio this morning. Can’t speak a lick and told Warrener he IS worried. He should be, particularly with a name like Rene Bourque.

You are next.

by M7 on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree 100% on Shaw needing a new number. I mentioned that at CTA last week.

Also, I was literally dumbfounded by an argument I had last night with the dude sitting next to me about John Scott

“Say whatever you want, when we put him in the lineup in the playoffs last season against Vancouver, we won three games in a row. There is something to be said for that. Vancouver was playing scared.”

Jaw, meet sticky United Center floor.

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by HjammerTime on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 AM CST reply actions  

how do people

notice that for john freakin scott, and not for dave bolland?

by Raditzzzz on Jan 13, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, he is much bigger and thus easier to see from a distance

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

you would think

that would also lend people to be able to see how he PLAYS

by Raditzzzz on Jan 13, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I said the same thing.

“Nope, they were playing scared and it showed.”

I hold the beat writers directly responsible for a lot of this crap.

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by HjammerTime on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I saw a John Scott jersey at the UC last night.

I can believe people really spend hundreds of dollars on his jersey. Some people have too much disposable income.

by Katherine215 on Jan 13, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe he lost a bet

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Well if he can afford seats on the glass at the UC

He can probably afford to make expensive bets…

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

hah, true.

a jersey probably isn’t that expensive for him then.

by Katherine215 on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

woa

was just replying to mcclure and both our comments just disappeared.

by Raditzzzz on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 AM CST reply actions  

Bolland's awakening

can be attributed to one thing, and one thing only: he is no longer the best player on his line. That’s not an indictment, just a statement of fact; he’s been teamed with guys who were several notches below him in talent level since October. So the guy’s been skating with offensive anchors tied to each side of him most of the season, while at the same time being asked to defend the other squad’s best players. Is it really a surprise that when you pair him up with — I dunno — real honest-to-goodness hockey players, he can still do the things he was always capable of doing?

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by 334Rules on Jan 13, 2012 10:24 AM CST reply actions  

A few random thoughts:

-It’s nice to see the kids stepping up, especially with Shooter on the shelf and Kane in full on “Humpty-hump mode”. It looks like one of them is going down though with Kruger coming back. Not sure which one but I guess this qualifies as a good problem to have.

-The fact that Kane made the all-star team (and that Keith didn’t) is as good a piece of evidence as any that it is, after all, a popularity contest. When in doubt, toss aside stats and choose the more marketable guy.

-Every time I get worried about the Hawks I make myself think about the angst that must currently come with being a Penguins’ fan and everything immediately becomes sunshine and lollipops.

-No suggestions at the moment for a Shaw nickname but it makes me very happy to see that I’m not the only one who thinks that “Shawshank Redemption” is a massively overrated piece of schlock.

by bluekoolaide on Jan 13, 2012 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

It was pretty good the first time I saw it

and it was still not too bad the 2nd time, but then when it kept popping up on cable it started getting really fucking annoying

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by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Criminals, many convicted of rape and murder, in a prison aren’t the good guys? And the guards who keep them from killing the rest of us aren’t the bad guys? This isn’t reality? Surely you jest!

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He was innocent!

Innocent I tell ya!

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 13, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Jesus Christ!

Wait, I’m thinking of the Green Mile. Do criminal-lovers write all movie scripts or sumptin’?

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 13, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

He was innocent too!

They are all innocent!

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

well a story about a criminal who's actually guilty doesn't exactly make for a good or compelling movie

unless it’s like a violent crime thriller I guess

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.

by FrankStallone on Jan 13, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I really liked that movie

so fuck all y’all.

We like our people!

by cliffkoroll on Jan 13, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

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