Morning Links - (1/20)
by JuliaM on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 AM CST
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PrintDaily Blackhawks news and league-wide notables.
- Game previews for tonight's match against the Panthers. [nhl.com] [Cheer the Anthem] [Tribune] [CSN]
- Cimaglia on those old friends. [MyFoxChicago]
- Andrew Shaw wears a bracelet for his hometown Ironworker's Union, may in fact have sprung fully formed from one of your Uncle Lou's fever dreams. [Tribune] [ESPN]
- The veterans love some of that youthful energy. [CSN]
- Ray Emery works with the CHA and 70 kids at a skating event. [Tribune]
- Stan's still looking for a defenseman and a veteran center. Rumors and projection over here. [Sun-Times]
- Five Questions with Marian Hossa. [ESPN]
- Bettman doesn't want to talk about the CBA or Phoenix. [Globe&Mail]
- Terrible. Ukrainian hockey coach in New Jersey arrested on charges of molestation. [AP]
- Several teams face a fall-off in the second half. [Hockey Prospectus]
- Taylor Hall's thirty-stitch Frankenstein injury is not for the squeamish, but at least he made TMZ. [SBNation]
- Evaluating the big off-season acquisitions. [The Score]
- How can the NHL curb illegal video streams? [SBNation]
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Hi, Bob LeDonne is being held for questioning
regarding his re-posting of highlights from the Hawks’ 1992 playoff run.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 AM CST reply actions
Dave Navarro sucks.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
He wears more make-up
than Boy George. He also has a new tv tattoo show where he is judge/host…. terruble. I want to impale him with a Gibson Les Paul
Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
He doesnt
deserve to get impaled with a Gibson Les Paul maybe the cheap kids guitars at wal mart
Im too lazy to make a signature
True
The guitar value would immediately drop to 0
Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
this is news?
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Put a helmet on dumbasses.
Pucks are being shot, guys with sharp skates on a frozen surface, and Todd Bertuzzi plays in the lleague.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
geez and here i thought
hoss was going to make fun of tomokop’s helmet issues. guess the real issue was always with his pants.
in case he didn’t underscore his thoughts on kop enough, let me state it again:
THOSE PANTS
It's true
I looked at several photos and Tomokop never has his pants zipped. Those crazy European fashions…
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Am I the only one
who read that article hearing Marian Hossa’s voice?
It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens
I don't even know what this means:
He wants cheap goals so he lets his pants hang out.
But it really made me laugh.
Let's Go Hawks!
nope
I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.
by ITypedforMiles on Jan 20, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ah SCH
the one place where I don’t have to actively convince people why a Kane for Miller trade would get Bowman laughed out of the NHL. Seriously, feels like everywhere else I turn over the last week, I read someone post this (usually starts with “I know this would probably never happen…”), or hear it on the radio, or have some jackwagon “hawk fan” ask my opinion on it. At least in this meathead city, Ryan Miller is becoming the most wildly overrated player in the whole league. You’d think winning the shiny thing in OT would give the kid at least a 5 year grace period (hell, look at the rope they continue to give delicate genius KWilliams). I guess a (projected) 70 point season from a 23 year old is simply unacceptable these days. Sorry, had to vent in my safe place. I’m starting to fire away at well-intentioned relatives that I otherwise have nothing in common with.
by Code Name Duchess on Jan 20, 2012 10:42 AM CST reply actions
Anyone who is proposing to trade Patrick Kane is likely certified 'stupid' by most standardized tests.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
That's because these people see 10 weeks of hockey every 4 years.
The stanley cups and the olympics, so they think miller is the best goalie ever.
Ryan Miller is among the best goaltenders in the world.
I don’t think I’m more irritated by anyone more than meatballs in Chicago. They have the shortest memories, the biggest mouths, and the dumbest arguments. Patrick Kane is not a lost cause simply because he’s had a stretch of 15 scoreless games. Ryan Miller, he of the dominating last few years, does not lose all of his talent simply because he’s had a poor half-season.
Honestly, most days I want to strangle the fuckers.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Then Suter for Byfuglien.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Then we demand the return of Eager and Burish...
And the plan is complete.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
word-for-word quote from a discussion I had last night.
“with Shaw and Hayes production, I figure we’re safe to move one of our core guys for a solid PK DMan.” Head. Asplode.
by Code Name Duchess on Jan 20, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Whoever said that should be beaten publicly a a warning to others.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
hell
I should be beaten for repeating it.
by Code Name Duchess on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
What the fuck
Its been like 9 games
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Yup. He also won a gold medal,
the Calder, Conn Smythe, Hart and Vezina trophies—all in one year.
And won them while playing on roller blades, with one glove, while playing chess.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
the plan will be complete...
when the Hakws make a three-way trade that sends Olesz back to FL, the ghost of Vokoun to Winnipeg with Chicago getting Kopecky, Ladd and Soups back.
Then they need to make a 12-way trade
that brings Niemi back from San Jose, Fraser back from wherever he is, Huet back from Elba and Johnnson back from the dead.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
by hairhelmet on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i like the idea of trading
for a dead guy. That makes me laugh.
It's Chicago
If they can vote, they can play
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ladd is the one that bothers me the most
It basically came down to him vs. keeping Niemi…then the Hawks didn’t keep Niemi, I miss Campbell and Versteeg too but them getting traded away made more sense to me.
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Jan 20, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
A pair of Kowboys always looks good
until you run up against aces.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Fuck yeah
Da Big Buff is back my frents
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That makes a bakers dozen, Bob.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Shortest memories?
He dominated one half of a season and an olympics. At all other times his game has been slightly above average.
Sorry but there are 2 goalies in the league right now that I trust to consistently do well, lundqvist and thomas. The rest of them I do not trust one bit.
Uh.
Pekka Rinne?
Tuukka Rask?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Rinne I don't trust.
One good year doesn’t have me sold. Tuuka is a backup goalie that again had one good year, any way you spin it.
I would be incredibly hesitant to pay any goalie 6 mil a year (bryzgalov).
Seriously?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
You don't trust goalies after one year.
You would think luongo and bryzgalov would teach that lesson.
I hate you for making me defend Luongo, but here goes:
Luongo had more than one good year. In fact, he had a lot. He just shits his pants in the post-season.
Bryzgalov also had several very good years.
Money aside, there are several goaltenders in the league that meet you original criteria-statement of ‘trust to do consistently well’. While Luongo and Bryzgalov are not among my choices, Rinne more than meets the standard and Rask is not too far off from being a standard-bearer in the coming years.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Listen
Rask is a frikin backup, sorry but I am not going to anoint him to the elite goalie level just yet. As far as rinne goes, again I am not convinced after one good year. The guy has a terrific, structured defensive system in front of him every night. I like him but I just don’t trust him to be an elite goalie every year.
If I were a gm my number one philosophy would probably be “don’t pay goalies 6 mil a year”.
No one said anything about 'elite goalie'.
You said ‘trust consistently’. Rask is consistent.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, to do well consistently.
As in year in and year out they are great goalies.
I apologize for not making this clear.
I am talking about high paid, 6 mil goalies.
But that's not what you said.
You said ‘trust consistently’.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Which is why I apologize for not making it clear.
What I meant was basically that I don’t like giving big contracts out to goalies.
You made it seem like you thought miller was a dominant goalie for multiple years in the league and while the trade was bad had earned his contract.
I didn't say a word about contracts.
I don’t give a fuck what they earn. That’s for the GM to figure out with the cap. I care about having a consistent goaltender. Crawford has had a bad stretch but he’s still talented enough to pull out of it.
Pekka Rinne is definitely in the discussion.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Contracts matter
Whether or not a player lives up to a salary or beyond that salary is a big part of how valuable they are.
Quick and howard are twice as valuable to their teams because of the amount of salary they take up doing what they do.
You wouldn't put Quick in the 'trustworthy' category?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Nope.
But I think he is a solid goalie and given how much he is paid he is well worth his contract.
Just wow.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
He has to do it in the playoffs.
He sucked it up in the playoffs last year.
So when has your Henrik in NYC done anything?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Year in and year out...
He has made a crappy team pretty decent and now a pretty decent team great.
So where is your differentiation with Quick and Rinne?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I think rinne makes a little too much.
You pay rinne 5 mil, maybe even 6 mil a year it is fine. You pay him 7 over 7 years I start to wonder.
What does the guy have to do to prove himself?
Stop live artillery rounds for two years?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
That'd probably help
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
Let me clarify.
When I say trustworthy I mean worth a long term contract that gives him 5 mil or more a year.
I'd take Quick for $5mil
wouldn’t even think about it.
This.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
meh...
LA’s defense wasn’t up to par in that series. His save percentage was still good (.913).
Quick is elite. He’ll end up, far and away, the winningest American goaltender when his career is over with. Odds are also good he’ll be in the top 10 in career wins.
And he'll likely do it in a different market.
Places like Toronto and Philadelphia, perpetually in need of a backstop, will make him huge offers.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
This is kind of quick's first terrific year (if he keeps it up).
He had a pretty damn good year last year but he struggled down the stretch and in the playoffs I thought him and niemi were off of their games.
What?
Where have you been?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
In fact thinking about it more you are probably right about quick.
I would give the guy a long term deal at 5 mil.
Maybe even 6 mil.
Pains me to say this. Rinne is overpaid though.
You're fucking ridiculous.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for keeping this going you two
Highlight of my morning
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
finally...
holy shit. You were holding on strong there.
Hahaha.
I’m hesitant to do so without seeing much of him in the playoffs but he is just too young and too good.
by lobster on Jan 20, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm flec'ing this
because that was some crazy shit that just happened.
uh...
I don’t believe what I’m hearing from you. Quick will become the first American goaltender to win 35+ games in a season, 3 seasons in a row (Unless Howard does it first). The guy exudes consistency.
I would take Quick in a second.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
This.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
I'm really on an American goaltender hockey kick...
which is what I find so amazing about the above comment. You just happened to name two incredibly talented netminders and they both happen to be American.
Absolutely.
Quick is outstanding.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
If Rask has a 'terrific, structured defensive system in front of him every night',
How is it that you put Thomas up at the top, then?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
By your definition, you can't discern a goaltender's skill level accurately without a shitty blue line corps in front of him.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
another way of saying it
Great defenses can maybe hide a goalies flaws. Much like big chara made wade redden look like a superstar.
Or it hides a consistent goaltender...
I didn’t think Niemi was going to continue to be a trustworthy backstop but he has proven he is.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely
But there was reason to doubt niemi, just like there is still reason to doubt rinne.
Obviously if he keeps having great year after great year I think you have to put him up there with thomas and lundqvist.
Rinne hasn't proven himself to you yet?
I’m hoping that I’m not talking with a professional GM right now.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
This.
Rinne has been amongst the league elite for what 4 years now? What else does he hae to do? Hell I would trust Rinne on the consistency even more than Thomas who had a less than stellar season 2 years ago.
by LavalPhantom on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
What?
He was pretty good for a few years and then really took a big step last year. By no means has he been an elite goalie for 4 years.
Your logic is all over the place.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I apologize if it seems like that.
Basically I am strictly arguing about goalies making big bucks here. Rinne has not earned what he is making yet, to me.
I don't understand how you can say Pekka Rinne hasn't earned his salary.
I’d take that guy in a heartbeat.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
At 7 mil over 7 years.
Some people don’t like having 36 year old backups making 7 mil.
Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
So you like having backups at 7 mil a year?
I knew you were a canucks fan.
For the record I am not that down on luongo as a goalie either, just don’t think he earns his money, especially when schnieder is right next to him.
A Canucks fan?
Sir, if you were standing in front of me, we would duel.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
not only has he earned it...
he’s on pace for 50 wins this year.
err again...
49 wins. How many guys who have been given huge contracts step it up this much?
7 years.
This is a 29 year old who will be making 7 mil a year at age 33, 34, 35, 36. You going to trust that this contract will turn out good for the preds down the stretch?
You're right.
Let’s just pay a 21 year old $500,000 who has a save percentage south of 90 and a GAA above 3.
Genius.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Not at all what I said.
Look at what detroit has done with osgood and howard, look at chicago with crawford (despite a tough year for him). I like paying decent goalies 2.5 mil a year over 3 years rather than supposedly great goalies 7 mil a year over 7 years when they are already 29 years old.
It's all about where teams choose
to invest their cap dollars. A team like the Hawks invests in dynamic forwards like Toews, Kane, Hossa and Sharp, with really strong defense in Keith and Seabs.
A team like the Predators doesn’t have the forward skill to invest in, so they spend their money on strong defense and goaltending. You spend where you have talent, and Rinne is one of those places. He is justifiably a member of their core.
I would take Rinne or Miller in a heartbeat, but it would mean trading one core player for another.
by Katherine215 on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
This.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
True.
I think the hawks/wings philosophy is a way to win championships and the preds philosophy is a way to make the playoffs though.
I love poille (primarily for drafting and developing), but that is a high price to pay. Maybe he couldn’t talk rinne down from there and knew he needed to resign him but that is the kind of money you pay a guy on july 1st, not when you are resigning him midseason.
What was the cap hit
of the 2011 Cup-winning goalie? Certainly not in the range that would fit the Hawks/Wings philosophy.
There’s more than one way to skin a cat win a Cup.
by Katherine215 on Jan 20, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
That is neither here nor there.
I could bring up niemi’s cap hit and that changes things totally.
My philosophies don’t change just because a team won the cup a different way than I would want my team do it. The wings have said this same thing for years and it is one of the s they are the way they are today.
Not saying you can’t win a cup paying a goalie top dollar but the way nashville builds there team in general is to make the playoffs, not to win a championship. And they do a damn good job of building their team.
Building them to lose in the first round
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 20, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
they got to the 2nd round last year.
Farther than the Blackhawks, you might remember.
by Katherine215 on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Ah yes
Sorry, that one 2nd round appearance slipped my mind. Good for them.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 20, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
You need to figure out what your point is.
Cap hit is now neither here nor there? Wasn’t your argument that you don’t think it’s worth it to pay goalies? And isn’t the goal always to win the Cup?
So a highly paid goalie wins the Cup and it’s neither here nor there?
by Katherine215 on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I am really all over the place and out of it today.
I guess I mainly think rinne is overpaid but I do also in general not like teams spending a lot of money at the goalie position.
There are plenty of reasons why I don’t like spending money on goalies is really the bottom line though. Not to say that top dollar goalies can’t win or can’t earn their money I just think it is riskier than top dollar contracts with players for the most part.
Bottom line:
Spending money on goalies= no good (in my opinion).
Hawks should stock up on
minimum wage type goaltenders. That’ll get us over the hump!
Look at crawford.
They clearly are of the same philosophy I am.
You making the philosophy that won DET every one of their cups and CHI’s most recent cup isn’t really making you look smart.
you missed aeroplane's sarcasm.
I think most people realize this is the Hawks’ philosophy and are ok with it. Crawford is hardly minimum wage, though.
You might want to quit while you’re ahead not too far behind.
by Katherine215 on Jan 20, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think we can even get away with no goalie at all
amirite?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
yes.
he’s 8 years younger than Thomas. You’re okay with Thomas, no?
I actually wasn't okay with that contract.
And neither was chiarelli until thomas came back from the dead last year.
There is high risk paying a 35 year old 7 mil a year.
We're talking skill and talent while you're obsessed with salary.
If Pekka Rinne or Johnny Quick can get a Hawks sweater on, we’ll figure out how to pay them. Jesus.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Salary is a huge part of it.
I have been talking salary this whole time. Brian campbell is a very good d man, at that price he is not a guy I want on my team.
Well...
I’d sort of really fucking want him right now, wouldn’t you?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I was talking talent.
Soupy is sort of having a monster fucking year.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
although he's cooled off considerablly, no?
they’ve overplayed him and the opposition seems to have adjusted their efforts on him.
Yes.
I was speaking specifically as a 4-5 blueliner for us. He would look pretty good right now.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
What do you want me to say?
He is obviously a good d man (I said that above). Frankly he was good in chicago and seems to be embracing the role he is getting in florida.
If there was no salary cap and money wasn’t an issue of course I would take him back in a heartbeat, he would never have left in the first place though.
and that risk paid off
Thomas won them a Stanley Cup and the chowder never tasted so good in Boston.
Thomas only had one off year, btw.
It did.
There was a point where boston was trying to ship thomas anywhere though and a trade never got done because nobody wanted that contract.
Boston was trying to ship out Thomas
because their backup is one of the best goaltenders in the world.
by aeroplane on Jan 20, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
REC.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
That is a stretch
Tukka will likely be a very good starter for years to come (though he needs to work on not blaming his own d men so much).
'He needs to work on not blaming his own d-men too much'.
I quit.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
That is not an uncommon criticism of rask.
When the going gets tough he yells at his own players.
I submitted my resignation.
I gotta go.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I hope there are no hard feelings here though.
We may disagree about goalies… but go hawks!
Dude...
Taliban have shot at my face for the last 9 months. Hard feelings don’t exist in our universe.
Great talking with you. You’re a good conversation. I look forward to talking with you again.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
You should probably not let
them do that
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
this is crazy talk...
I think you know it, too. He’s not only proven his salary, he’s on pace for a monster year.
This.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Monster?
He’s having a very good year, let’s not go overboard.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I calibrated wrong.
I must have been using the metric system.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
49-50 wins
is not a monster year? That would be an NHL record, sir.
I stand by my remarks.
Jimmy Howard is actually
the guy on pace to break the wins record. Pekke is a bit under it.
Id take rinne
Not for six bills, but id take him
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Jan 20, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Affirm.
Absolutely.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Who wouldn't take him?
I am speaking strictly of goalies in relation to their contract.
Miller is a solid goalie.
Do I want him at 6 mil every year for the next 3 years, I am not so sure.
No.
And that’s why anyone proposing a ‘Kane for Miller’ deal is a fuckin brain stem.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Kane for Miller
would be stupid we already have a good goalie in Crawford he is good not great like miller dont get me wrong but Crow would be part of the trade so we get rid rid of a 23 year old who has accomplished so much with out even reaching his prime and a 27 year old goalie who is now just entering his for a 31 year old who could not be able to reach the level he once was
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"Who put this thing together? Me, that's who! Who do I trust? Me!"
LETS GO BLACKHAWKS!
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jan 20, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Say hello to my little friend?
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Jan 20, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Why the Rask hate?
Just a comparison
Rask: 95 games, .929 Sv, 2.14 GAA and a $1.25 mil cap hit
Crawford: 99 games, .912, 2.5 GAA and a 2.67 mil cap hit
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Jan 20, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
good question...
I used to watch him when I could since he was on my fantasy team and I was always really impressed the guy’s play.
Since November, he’s got a .955 save %, 4 shutouts and is 11-2.
Hell of a goalie
Boston’s goaltending is ridiculous.
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Jan 20, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
I am hearing halpern and erskine rumors.
I am not a fan.
Sometimes I hear voices, too.
The doc says it’s because of the schizophrenia.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You have a doctor voice?
My voices are pretty much ne’er-do-wells with the most sophisticated being a sanitation technician.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
I am hoping so.
I will be really pissed if he tries to pass of erskine as the big d man we needed.
Stanbo sounds like Stamkos...
therefore I propose bringing the young Lightening star for John Scott and a scab player to be named later.
Done.
No trade backs.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
The Scab
would be lepisto
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Yeah
pretty much and having 12 goals on the canes is like having 24 for a good team also.
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How many
goals does Fro-Fro have anyway?
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Ok Thanks
was it stupid of me expecting 20 goals from this guy?
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I was thinking
he would click with Bolland and Bickel. Guess i was wrong.
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Not wrong in the playoffs last year
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 20, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
When i saw how
Bickell and Frolik played in the playoffs i was very hopeful but maybe come playoff time they’ll turn on the switch.
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Maybe it was just the low level of competition last year.
It was just those Sedin things who build up a bunch of stats in their weak division.
if it makes you feel better...
I thought they would click as well. I highly doubt it makes you feel better, though. However, I am stoked that Bolland and the Rockford Bunch are clicking again.
Why is hossa talking about kopeckys pants?
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Because he's Marian fucking Hossa.
How dare you.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
He can do
what ever the fuck he wants
Im too lazy to make a signature
If he wants to stare at the pants of other men, well, the man still can't be taken off of the puck.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Even more interesting -
Europeans, with their famously crazy fashions, think Kopecky dresses weird.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
it's the 21st century...men are allowed to stare at such things...aren't they?
Or is that trend reversing just as I get to “not that there’s anything wrong with that” territory?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
It's the techno music.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Its how kopy picks up girls at the discotech
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Jan 20, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
On the Subject of Illegal Streams
Transplanted Chicago native now living in Madison, WI. I have Gamecenter Live and it’s awesome, since I don’t run into the in/out of market problems, but it becomes wildly frustrating when the Hawks are on a national broadcast. A game on NBC proper can be streamed legally from their website, but anything on NBCS/VS. is blacked out, causing me to turn to the illegal sources.
Even more frustrating is when the game is on NHL Network. You own the channel, NHL, and I buy GCL from you. Why don’t I get those games? It makes no sense.
Now make like a tree and get out of here
heh
a few years ago i was visiting my folks in california for thanksgiving when the hawks were playing the sharks, and we didn’t get the game (being in socal) so i literally went on to nhl.com and refreshed their free 2min stream GCL tryout for the entire game. lol
was glad i did, hossa made his appearance that game and destroyed the sharks.
Heres for a win
against the Blackhawks South
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I know it was from Wednesday's game but
I was watching at the Tilted Kilt and was away from the interwebz yesterday.
What was the reasoning for calling off the Shaw hand catch assist goal? Did they just determine it a hand pass and not see Shaw touch the puck after he put it down? It seemed really REALLY obvious to me during the replay. But couldn’t hear anything because the sounds of short plaid skirts and tight shirts kept distracting me.
Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
You can’t review hand pass calls. So event though, yeah, it was pretty obviously good on the replay, that has no bearing on the call.
stay still. shut up. pay attention. adopt as signature moves.
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Thanks!
That’s why I don’t understand why ref’s don’t call it a goal on the ice. Then it becomes reviewable and gives you a chance to get it right. Here, you make the wrong call and give yourself no wiggle room to correct it. Stupid is, is stupid does.
Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Jan 20, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Shaw fact: he once visited the Virgin Islands, now they're just called The Islands.
Funny now I’m seeing random people post stuff like this on FB.
Turco was good, but Crawford has a force field...
Jesus can walk on water…
Shaw can swim through land.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Andrew Shaw
watched Hawks home games in 2005 on tv.
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If Shaw decides
to play baseball the cubs will win the World Series
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It's pretty
like a rainbow
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Jist of thread above
1) high paid goalies are bad because they can never justify their salary unless they win everything every year.
2) Detroit won cups with average goaltending and this therefore proves that you do not need a “elite” high paid goalie.
3) trade everyone……I threw that one in there
I disagree that Detroit won with average goaltending. They won in spite of goaltending because they had a strong defense first mentality in the forward core…and they had Lidstrom
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
We don't need to trade everyone
Just Kane
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
See my comment above
We don’t need no stinking goalies
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Wearing a borrowed Soup Campbell jersey to the game tonight
If anyone boos him, they’re getting my size 12 straight up the turd cutter.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 20, 2012 2:18 PM CST reply actions
Better stay away from wearing white sneakers then
Shit does stain
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Jan 20, 2012 2:35 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If we do
boo him we would be just like the Scum that boo Hossa. If people boo Soupy then they dont watch hockey.
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should they boo Bowman
for trading him then. Someone has to get booed.
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
I will never like that trade
trading away an excellent puck moving defence men for a 25 year old underacheiver who never scored more than 15 goals i think.
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We traded for cap space, not a player
That’s how it makes sense. You won’t find many bigger fans of Soup Campbell than me (except maybe Fels, which is why I think the preview isn’t up yet… it’s being written with tears streaming down our fearless leader’s face). However, his contract would be untradeable in about 2 years time. Bowman pulled the trigger at the right time.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah you do have a point
it might have set us back a little in the short tearm but the long term it will help.
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by BigHoss on Jan 20, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This has to be an SCH first
1. Person 1 makes a comment
2. Person 2 makes a point to person 1 why what happened wasn’t as bad as person 1 thought it was
3. Person 1 actually says “good point” instead of doubling down on their original position
So... the antithesis of whatever that, uh, thing is up above?
Seriously, I started reading the top of it and once it got to the point where you couldn’t figure out what the hell what replying to what, I gave up.
And started drinking.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 20, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Well he
did have a good point and i do agree with him but im still bitter what we got in return. Did we even get a draft pick?
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Thats what i thought
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It used to happen a lot more often
This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.
oh god.
you children are learning to argue like reasonable adults.
/tears up
I’m so proud.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
and as BigHoss is about five years old
(maybe i count not good! :p)…
“out of the mouths of babes and sucklings”, etc!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 20, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
If you guys haven't seen this yet
I would highly suggest giving it a view. Extremely well done. Should be on CBC, TSN and NBC.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 20, 2012 2:59 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Every time I hear Sam Rosen say, "The waiting is over! This one will last a lifetime!"
I tear up a little. Not even a Rangers supporter but that was simply an awesome moment. Probably one of the most visceral non-Hawks memories I have as a kid. That, and then as a teenager hearing Gary Thorne with, “And after 22 years…. RAYMOND BOURQUE!”
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 20, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Gary Thorne sucks.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Laaarmer was the grumpy one
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I congree
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous! Beautius J. Beautius!
Fuck Radim Vrbata.
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jan 20, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
SOPA does not approve.
Put that in your PIPA and smoke it.
(just being a putz – very awesome video)
by transienthawk on Jan 20, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
enjoy the video but what is with the creepy eye in the middle of the hand that keeps flashing?
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 20, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
and the flying squirrel/chipmunk.
I will need this one explained to me.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
yeah, some odd fight club type stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with the video
and cheapens it IMO
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
He looks like a d-bag
haha i could never hate on steeger
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a maxim to live by
stay still. shut up. pay attention. adopt as signature moves.
bitches couldn't possibly know about my modal epistemology
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maxim
Speaking of douches…
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous! Beautius J. Beautius!
Fuck Radim Vrbata.
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jan 20, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Clever
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
our little buddy
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
just ahead of me..
you get a flec!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 20, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Very cheap tix tonight.
Hang around the stadium, they’ll almost give ’em away.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
some fire-sale, huh?
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 20, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
well if your rebuilding it doesn't make much sense to move a reliable, relatively cheap veteran defenseman
Honestly, I doubt that the Ducks part with a single piece, least of all Bobby Ryan.
Considering that Selanne and Koivu are good as gone at the end of the season, the Ducks will have some cap space to retool.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jan 20, 2012 4:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
plus the coaching change..
I think Boudreau has gone in and realised that the Duckies aren’t as shit as their placing would suggest.. and a careful rebuild rather than a ‘scorched earth’ action is what’s called for.. and hey, they’re on a 3-game win streak and have swapped places with the Oil as the folks spotting the Beej’s bench-presses
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 20, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
apparently playing with the Smallies
has Hossa feeling young again.. young enough to break into spontaneous dance!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Vigneault now has his own players pissed at him.
http://thefourthperiod.com/news/van120117.html
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 20, 2012 4:52 PM CST reply actions
so, they join the Rest Of The World..
except me.. I love the guy.. think he’s comedy GOLD!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 20, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Hope they fire the guy.
He’s a douchebag, and he can’t outcoach anyone come playoff time.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 20, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
Edens Spur to downtown is currently
4 hours
by CjSax on Jan 20, 2012 5:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Game delayed to 8pm
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 20, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
Not to to reply fail
but that Rask discussion above is absurd. There’s not too many people on the Hawks (outside of the core) that I would not trade for Tuukka Rask.
In fact, I would move Leddy + Crawford for Rask and whomever the Bruins 6th defenceman is. I might add to that…. That’s a HF boards type proposal, it’s that bad, Rask isn’t being traded, and that’s because he’s probably a top 10 goaltender in all of hockey. Suggesting he isn’t is silly.
But but he's a BACKUP goaltender
if he was so great, wouldn’t he be a starter!
Yes
And if he were on 25-26 teams, he would be the starter. Maybe even more than that.. I’m thinking maybe AHRM, Rinne… Thomas…. that might be it. I think he starts over Quick…. for sure…
but your smartassedness is dually noted. :)
My opinion
He starts over any goalies except: (In no particular order)
Lundqvist
Rinne
Miller
Luongo
Thomas (Obviously)
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Jan 20, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
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