The Record Man Shoots You Down: Preds 5 - Hawks 2
Well, I hope the barbecue was worth the trip for Fels and Killion, because the hockey certainly wasn't. I'll hit some of the highlights and lowlights in the bullets, so let's just get to it.
- Perhaps the biggest lowlight is the injury to Jonathan Toews, who left midway through the second frame. I'm guessing this has something to do with the wrist/hand injury that he sustained last night, but there's no way to say for sure. We all know how important Toews is to this team, so I won't spend too much time reiterating it, but if the injury is even the slightest bit serious, I'd suggest that the Hawks go the Derrick Rose route by sitting Captain Serious from Tuesday through the All-Star break. With the way the Hawks are playing on the road right now (4 game road losing streak, bringing them to an underwhelming 10-9-2 on the season), I can't bear the thought of not having Johnny for any portion of the 9-game Ice Capades trip.
- Nashville didn't dominate this game as the score indicates that they did. Pour goaltending, a pair of defensive mistakes, and a couple tough bounces kept the game from being as competitive as it should have been. The 23-22 shot totals don't point to a beating, and neither do the CORSI numbers. Not that any of that should make you feel better when competing in a division that refuses to let up (wins for Detroit and St. Louis again tonight).
- I still can't bring myself to full panic as it pertains to Corey Crawford's play, but I'm inching my way there with each performance of this caliber. The fault level assigned to Crow on Klein's 80-footer is up for debate to some degree, but Crow was spitting out bad rebounds for the better part of two periods, and it definitely cost him on the powerplay goal in the first. We'll get to Dunc's part on the fourth goal in a minute, but the bigger concern might be how badly Crow was fooled by Kostitsyn's simple move on the breakaway. I don't know how much of the blame should go to Crawford adapting to his newer aggressive style, but a simple deke put Crow on his stomach looking up at an easy tally for the Pred's. I'll leave it to the Goalie Guild to tell you what Crow's problem is there, but whatever it is, it's a little embarrassing.
- As is typically the case, the blame shouldn't fall completely on Crawford. When the game was still in doubt, a couple of brutal defensive mistakes doomed the Men of Four Feathers. I can forgive Leddy's turnover on goal number 3 (which was a phenomenal keep in by Hornqvist) because Nik Hjalmarsson had a chance to prevent the goal, and like we've seen way too many times this year, he failed to do so. Between Bolland coming back, and Crow coming out to cover his angle, it appeared that only way Nashville could score would be on a backdoor play. Hammer went for the poke check on Legwand, and after that attempt failed, he managed to let a pass go right by his blade for a tap in goal for Wilson. Dunc and Leddy combined for a vintage spazfest on goal number 4. Dunc got fooled by an Erat chip out of the zone, and then let Mike Fisher blow right by him. Leddy, who admittedly was left hanging out to dry, played the subsequent 2 on 1 about as poorly as he could play it; he couldn't decide whether he was going to try and retrieve the puck or play the pass on the two on one, and he he allowed an easy pass to Kostitsyn who finished the play, as we already discussed.
- Stalberg, Kruger, and Bruno all heard the cruel ping of the iron. That's how it goes some nights, I guess.
- So much for Kane building off of last night's dominating performance.
- On the bright side, I somewhat baselessly predicted a big night for Hossa and his linemates, and they made me look pretty damn smart. The lines got a bit jumbled up after Toews left the game, but for the most part, the Shaw-Kruger-Hossa line was all sorts of awesome this evening.
- If Nashville beats Columbus on Monday night, Tuesday's tilt at the UC could be for third place in the division. Heading into a 9 game road trip in fourth place in the Central sounds like a scary proposition, eh?
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Parenteau for Frolik!
When I decide to change my personality I will let you know what I become.
by Blackhawks Transplant on Jan 21, 2012 11:27 PM CST reply actions
well
fuckity fick fuck bull shit fuck shit
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
Can't keep a dead horse down...

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 21, 2012 11:48 PM CST reply actions
CNS...
i’m alittle brain dead this morning – would you mind giving mr a little insight into this photo-shop. I see a goalir stick and #39. Your not thinking what I think your thinking, are you?
Yup
GoalDorf Le Blanc
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
And came out stronger than ever
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
He went in grey and came out white.
That’s potent!
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Crawford is not the answer to the Hawks' long-standing goaltender issue.
The team defense is terrible, and no amount of rationalizing ‘oh, it will work itself out’ is going to actually help the issue. Something needs to change, whether it’s on ice personel, or behind-the-bench.
If Toews is seriously injured, this team will not have home-ice advantage in the playoffs. That simple.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
Nothing is true. All is permitted.
SBNation will only let me choose one favorite team.
And you're a dick
That simple.
by LavalPhantom on Jan 22, 2012 1:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
nice try
but he’s right
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
i don't know...
In the last 8 games, we’re slightly over a 2 GAA – that includes two OT losses to Detroit.
I can understand your frusration after last night – but playing the Preds is always like sitting in a dental chair – hopefully we play a bit more inspired on Tuesday.
i don't care about your stats in the last 10
crawford is horrible. i usually stay away from ripping athletes, but i can not believe this guy still has a job in the NHL.
and chris kuc can go bleep himself if he thinks otherwise. he only supports this claim because roenick said it while he was a guest on CTL. it’s actually funny how every single fucking time he is on TV he says what roenick said VERBATIM.
get your own opinions kuc. you piss my inner soul off.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
if every goaltender went through the same method of performance review
i.e., “get fired for playing poorly”….
the list of fired goaltenders would no doubt be equal to the number of goaltenders who have played in the NHL.
by oregon_hawk on Jan 22, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Very true because I know first hand that when the playoffs come calling it definitely won’t ‘sort it out’ and if it continues the ’Hawks playoffs will have a short stay.
I may be alone, but home-ice means little to me as Tampa Bay 2011, Montreal and Philadelphia 2010, Carolina 2009, Philadelphia (again) and Dallas 2008, Edmonton and Anaheim 2006 all have reached the Conference Finals without home-ice advantage and once you get there anything can happen.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
WOW....
A goal from the 50 yard line!?!?! YEYA!!!!
have fun enjoying what's left of your team this season
they’re going to be in tatters soon as this summer hits – say buh – byeee to Sutter and/or Weber. YEAHHHHHHHHHH!
First off, there is no 50 yard line in hockey.
Secondly, it was in between centre and the blueline if you watch the replay
Thirdly, didn’t Rinne let one in from the exact same spot to Kane … IN THE PLAYOFFS?
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Hack...
i must say, I was a bit surprised to read a nice wrap, one that wasn’t full of the doom and gloom of Mordor.
It seemed like the Preds were more disciplined and played better defensively. It wasn’t like we didn’t have some A-grade chances, but the Preds seemed to be coming at us with odd man rushes all night.
Rinne gave up some juicy rebounds also – they just didn’t find our players. That was a wicked bounce on the centerline shot – if I’m not mistaken, the puck landed on it’s edge – when it snows, it pours.
Good call
It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one that thought the ‘Hawks didn’t receive any bounces last night. Kruger must have had 3 glorious chances and yet found himself without a shot as the puck bounced over his stick.
Nothing like having a UFC event as an excuse to have the playing surface resemble Candlestick Park in January. The ice conditions (which were better in Ivor Wynn in Hamilton yesterday) didn’t help matters for the ’Hawks.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
64 points
would be good for 1st place in 4 of the 6 divisions. I won’t panic until they go 2-5-2, with 30 goals against, on the upcoming road trip.
This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.
If the ’Hawks can hit the magic number of 5 wins then they should be in good shape for the stretch run. (5-3-1 for 11 points).
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
crawford fucking sucks
my opinion has stayed consistent.
he just doesn’t have what it takes. enough of this shit.
emery until reinforcements.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 7:46 AM CST reply actions
every fucking goal was a softie
this guy couldn’t hack it in pond hockey!
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 7:47 AM CST up reply actions
please take a large paper bag and breath deeply into it
and after about a dozen inhales and passing out, you can come back and post something a little less suicidal. Jeebus, give it a fucking rest already.
lets not act like i am bashing crawford on every thread
i have a right to my opinion. i watched the replays of his 4 goals let in, and every single one of them was soft.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
I’ve seen better ice conditions on the pond. In fact, my backyard rink has a better ice surface than what the ’Hawks took to in the Gaylord Entertainment Center.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
- That’s what it was called before they changed it to a corporate sponsored arena, just so this doesn’t go off-tangent.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
low self esteem for lower self esteem
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to go out on a limb and say Kaner probably does not have low self esteem
He may be frustrated or pissed or taken a hit in confidence about his drought, but that does not mean low self esteem.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
but millbury says he slumps his shoulders
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
I think it was said best on fifthfeather.com
about wishing morons would stop playing amateur psychiatrist
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
a
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh
by Steeg of their own on Jan 22, 2012 9:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
i bet kane was out drinking tonight
i don’t make bets that i can lose.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 7:51 AM CST reply actions
what a useless comment
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
he was out drinking.
i don’t mind a young kid enjoying himself, but c’mon. kane is my favorite player and even i am a little peeved about this.
do you think the organization likes that he’s out at clubs while in the midst of a career slump?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he was in a slump since he quit drinking?
Who knows? Sometimes going back to your old habits can be a good thing :-)
by LavalPhantom on Jan 22, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
dude seems like he made it a priority
they were in nashville, flew back and he shows up to some club at 3am?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
So,
What the point? People don’t go out to have fun to distract themselves or blow off steam? If that were the case half my overseas drunk stories would never had happened, because of a bad day.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
it's true..
remember the kerfuffle over the Vegas visit during the Circus Trip?.. and what happened next?
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
ha!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm assuming that was heard from Stanbow's room
He’s got a complex for SOME reason…
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
i don't have a huge problem with it
just find it kind of odd…
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
and to be fair, i don't know if he was drinking.
i was though. i shouldn’t assume.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Kaner must be thrilled to have fans like you
by LavalPhantom on Jan 22, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
fans that want him to do well?
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
and you know this how?
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
you know what? i don't want to know and I don't care.
I just wished this type of crap about players stayed off this board.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
you are right
i just want him to start scoring…
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
we all do. and he does as well.
he seems pretty damn competitive, and I really don’t think he likes losing and not scoring.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
He's been getting points
just not goals. This whole “Kane not scoring”, “Crawford is the worst” bullshit is just that…bullshit. Kane is in a slump and his confidence is shaken. Same can be said about Crawford. They will be fine.
What is not fine is this constant whining by some about how poorly each is playing. First of all, Kane has not been playing poorly…he just hasn’t been finding the back of the net. He’s a playmaker first and foremost. If his playmaking abilities disappear, then I worry.
Crawford has been taking heat because he hasn’t played as well as he played last season and appears to be fighting it at times. It hasn’t helped that his defense has let him out to dry on many occasions, but he hasn’t been as aggressive in the net as he was last season, either.
Kane’s issues will correct themselves. Crawford on the other hand…well, I hope so. But I’m not ready to unload him just yet.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 22, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
exactly!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
scoring goals is what i meant
i know he has been playing better of late. just wish he would start scoring more goals. lets be real here, he has been chipping in assists here and there… not like he is carrying this team with his passing.
as far as crawford goes, seems like the teams have a book on him now. the league has made the adjustment to him, yet he hasn’t made the counter adjustment. i am starting to think last year was a flash in a pan. he is truly mediocre.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
but again, wishing it would be so, from the fans and kane himself won't make it so.
he’s been trying, had some great chances, just hasn’t produced consistently yet. As much as I wish hockey could be like Oprahs favorite things, there just aren’t goals for everyone. And as for assists, he’s still tied for 9th in the league (11 behind the first at 41) and is 2 behind hossa for most on the team right now. May not be as flashy as you’d like, or as obvious as his great pass on Friday, but its happening.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Kane is in a slump and his confidence is shaken. Same can be said about Crawford. They will be fine.
Kane has been in a slump for a few weeks. Crawford has been in a slump for half a season. Kane has a track record of performing at a high level. Crawford, except for last season, has a track record of being somewhere around “OK.”
There is not much to suggest “he will be fine.” Blind faith?
Good comparison: Bryan Bickell. Average guy in Rockford. Great rookie year last season. And is anyone running stating that Bickell is about to break out of his slump? Um… no.
And I haven’t seen anyone on this thread suggest “trade Crawford” except for the people who are overreacting and trying to “protect” him.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That's all true except for the Bickel analogy
Bickel’s under-performance is all on him. Crawford relies on the five guys in front of him to make his job easier. That hasn’t always been the case this season. I’m not saying Crow isn’t blameless, but he sure as hell shouldn’t shoulder all of the blame either.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 22, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Our defense has been horrible at times too.
Dont forget the 9 goal game against edmonton alot of that was the d men’s fault
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So you're saying Bickell plays with himself?
badumching!
I couldn’t disagree more. A skater relies on his teammates more than a goalie IMO.
“Bolland was having a bad year because he had bad linemates.”
“Keith plays better when paired with Seabs.”
“Player A and Player B have chemistry.”
“Player C is succeeding because he’s playing with the top line.”
The list goes on.
A goalie’s Sv% over the course of a season is almost exclusively on him. Yes, there are bad games that everyone wants to blame on the defense – and sometimes, yes, the defense is to blame. But everyone wants to fixate on those games only and not the games where the defense bails out the goaltender, which happen just as often.
Hawks are giving up the same number of shots per game as last season. The difference is Crawford. Not sure why people won’t just let him have a sophomore slump.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
I can and do concede Crawford isn't playing as well as last year.
But, unless I’m just having selective memory, it sure seems a lot of goals are being scored at his doorstep by guys left all alone. Granted, he should be able to stop some of those, but also, none of those shots should have been allowed to be taken in the first place.
I know I sound like a Crawford apologist, but I’m not. Really. I see the issues as a combination of Crawford’s poor play, and some loose play in front of him. We are more than likely stuck with both Crawford and Emery. And if Crawford continues playing the way he has, the only option the team has is to fix the other part. How? Who? Hell, I’m not that smart. But I have faith the Hawk’s management is. I just hope it’s not blind faith like you said.
And back to Bickel, hasn’t he underachieved regardless where Q puts him?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 22, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
my private investigator was following him around
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Ok the hysterionics after a loss is a little too much for me this AM
Nashville came out and knew exactly how to play against the Hawks. Crawford was not good but he’s been doing much better since November so I don’t think we need to call for his head on a platter. It sucks to lose Toews but hopefully it really is day-to-day and nothing more. I’d rather have him sit out Tuesday and skip the ASG so he’s ready to go for the road trip from hell.
So I went a compared some number of Craw vs Emery
Though of making a fan post of the stuff I see with pretty pictures and stuff, but decided not too. Here is the abridged version.
Crawford for his last 11 games has kept his season SV% between .900-.905 and GAA 2.77-2.88.
Emery for his last 9 games Season SV% 0.904-0.909 and GAA 2.50-2.72
Crawford on the season has averaged 29.0-29.5 SAG/60
Emery has 27.5-28.9 SAG/60, generally below 28.0 SAG/60 (the PHI game with 46 SA raised it over 28% for a couple games)
26% of the Goals Crawford has let in have been on the PK, it has never been lower then 25.6% with a recent high at 29.0% in early December
21.4% of the Goals Emery has let in have been on the PK, it has never been higher then 22.0% with a recent low of 14.3% in Mid December.
Crawfords PKGA/60 average is 0.720
Emery’s PKGA/60 average is 0.550
Crawford EVGA/60 average is 2.131 (for a good part of the season below 2.05 and up until December <2.00)
Emery EVGA/60 average is 2.016 (until the last few games it has maintained around 2.14-2.28)
Are the difference because they way the goaltenders play (Cory gives up more rebounds, etc…) or does the defense play differently for each?
Regardless of Last night, the PK is killing Crawford.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 9:00 AM CST reply actions
I think it's a combination of things
I’ve thought for a long time that the D tends to play with more confidence in front of Emery-the fact that he doesn’t give up nearly as many rebounds and doesn’t seem to panic as much when the goals in the crease seems to filter down throughout the rest of the team.
The problem is that, for whatever reason, Q doesn’t seem to have the same confidence in Emery that he had in back-ups in previous years which I think is why we’ve been seeing Crawford continue to get chances to redeem himself after shitting the bed. I have a feeling though that that is going to change if the “road trip from hell” goes badly and we start to find ourselves chasing points (or if, god help us, Toews’ injury is worse than it sounds).
by bluekoolaide on Jan 22, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
I think the fact that they just gave the guy
a 3 mil/yr extension has a great deal to do with why he keeps getting chances. Unless Crow has a complete and total meltdown like Huet Crow will continue to get chances unless Emery just goes on a tear, and even then at the first sign of trouble Crow will be back in net.
I still believe that the season Crow had last season was the exception and not the rule. His stats right now are for all intents and purposes what he has done for his career.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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by Tuke on Jan 22, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this
I think where the Hawks screwed up was in expecting Crawford to be the guy based on a very small (half season) sample size.
As you point out-except for the second half of last season, he’s never shown himself to be anything more than, at best, a back up goalie.
by bluekoolaide on Jan 22, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Funny
that the most commonly suggested alternate course of action was to pay Niemi based on the same track record.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Just for the record
I was not one calling for them to pay Niemi.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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Frustrating.
I think we’re all getting tired of having to go through this goalie thing at the mid-point of every season. Can we have one year where our goaltender starts and finishes the year without creating an environment where he can be second-guessed?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 22, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
chicken or the egg?
Regardless of Last night, the PK is killing Crawford.
or is Crawford killing the PK?
The answer lies somewhere in between.
This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.
blame should be on both the D and Crow
everyone just looked way too tired last night and it didn’t help that Toews was injured
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I blame the refs...
Toews penalty was a result of some moron on the Preds doing a spin-o-rama after minor contract – that dive wouldn’t have made it in a B-grade moive
I’m sure shaw was pushed into Pekka picked a pekk a pickled pekka’s
Nice job of the broadcast crew to not show a replay of that spurious call. The refs gave that game to Nashville. :)
Just being on the PK
Is it Craw of the D? Who knows, but just being on the PK is killing.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
The Defense has not been good...
It’s been discussed over and over again but without some consistency on defense the Hawks will continue to have games like this. Usually they score enough to overcome the defensive shortcomings. Keith has been bad at times no doubt but Leddy is usually brutal just about every game. He rarely can win a puck in the corners and gets pushed around way too much. He also simply gives the puck away too easily trying for the clear. We need help on defense simple as that.
Unfortunately, I am on the brink as far as Crawford goes as well.
He looked awful. He hasn’t looked comfortable in quite some time. I think we may have a problem with Crow that is not likely to be going away soon.
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by 10thMountainFire on Jan 22, 2012 10:01 AM CST reply actions
I can end the debate on that center ice goal
100% Corey’s fault. How you can attribute the blame to anyone else is beyond me, but I’m sure Hammer is to blame somehow.
Is it Craws Fault? without doubt
That goal I am not to worried about that is one of the flukes that happens at times, even to the best. SS 3B 2B 1B in baseball get eaten up by bouncing balls on occasion as well the ball or puck in this instance does not bounce like expected. Craw basically had to stop a puck on the short hop, and with its shape you cannot know exactly how it is going to come off the ice.
Now the other 4 goals, that is a different story.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
They all let those in from time to time, but in Crawford’s case, he’s been on the “Mason Train” all season and doesn’t appear to be righting the ship anytime soon.
With all of that said, he still has 30+ games left to sort it all out but my confidence is waining by each performance like this one.
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EV he is NOT doing bad at all
On the season, a big chunk of GAA being inflated and his SV% being low is the PK. But why is it so much higher then Emery’s? If his PK percentage was similar to Ray’s, he would have a decent GAA and SV%, probably >0.910 and around 2.60 and the Hawks PK would be north of 82.5%.
Why is the Hawks PK so much worse with Crawford in net then Emery? (30.9% higher than Ray’s with Crawford)
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
The PK has been dreadful this season which is why (BEAT DA DRUMS) Travis Moen from Montreal (the number ONE PK UNIT in the NHL) would be a wonderful addition to the ‘Hawks. He’s their most reliable penalty killer and would be a perfect fit for the unit and the fourth line with Mayers and Shaw (once Shooter McDreamy makes his return).
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
* just as a footnote
I plan on beating the drums to death like a Nirvana Dave Grohl until the trade deadline.
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Or having Leddy on it which is like having Charlie Peprah as a safety … both of which are terrible options for an important position in a crucial situation.
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So Leddy isn't on the PK when Emery is playing?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I know you are a Leddy apologist, but he’s great on EV and PP but lacks enough experience and sandpaper to be a solid on the PK. In time I believe he will be as he matures, but right now, not so much.
His inexperience hasn’t helped, but Crow hasn’t bailed him out either. The truth lies in between.
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Whether I like Leddy or not, has no influence here
He’s on the PK whether Emery or Crow is in net. So I don’t understand how you can attribute Leddy being part of the reason Crow is worse than Emery on the PK?
And I agree that Leddy is not ideal for the PK.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i find myself agreeing with everything you say.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 23, 2012 3:16 AM CST up reply actions
oh shit
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
thanks.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
And a MLB at that. Another area where the Packers could improve on … or just play Desmond Bishop and D.J. Smith more often.
Just like OD and Lepisto on defence instead of Scott.
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less guys to trounce on the rebounds he gives up
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 23, 2012 3:15 AM CST up reply actions
that actually makes sense if he is giving up more rebounds than last year
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think anyone is trying to blame another hawk player.
One could call it a bit of a fluke though. This is not a dan cloutier goal, more like a vesa toskala goal. Crawford has to take some blame but a funny bounce is a funny bounce.
I was trying to be all positive about his game but he is giving me no confidence.
From the start he was going down way too early huet style, his rebound control didn’t seem as bad in the first as this blog states, the preds first goal was not an easy rebound to control.
I was sort of half paying attention to the game.
But to me it felt like the quality of shot for nashville was far superior to the blackhawks quality of shot.
three goalposts
Just saying.
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But overall the preds had higher quality.
There were other close calls for the preds throughout the game. I am not sure what the chances were but I have to imagine they were lopsided in the preds favor.
I’d agree with that to a small extent. The puck seemed to settle down for Smashville whereas it hopped and jumped on the ’Hawks all night long … all night.
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No. Hawks had plenty of quality chances
If Crow doesn’t let in most of them for the Preds, maybe your perception would be different.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Can you count how many hawks shots came when the game was all but over?
Come on. If you think this game was even you are definitely kidding yourself.
No. Not kidding myself.
I’m just not gonna fall in with the simple minds who confuse bad goaltending with “OMGOMGOMG the defense sux!” The Preds had like a 5-10 minute spurts where the Hawks had the wind taken out of their sails by Crawford. Other than that, the Preds didn’t outplay the Hawks.
And if you’re gonna state that on a night where the defense only gave up 23 shots that they were awful, then I guess your standards are just much much, higher than mine.
Watch the game instead of falling prey to the score and trying to come up for excuses for a goaltender who was awful.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Admittedly I was in and out of this game.
But wouldn’t you at least say ignoring goalies the team who deserved to win did win? I am not mad at the hawks for the game, but I do think as a team they got outplayed.
Obviously crawford was very bad. In a game where they needed him to be better than mediocre he couldn’t even manage to be mediocre.
I thought the game was pretty much dead even
until the meltdown goal. Then the Preds scored 3 in 10 minutes.
I’m not gonna say that the team plays better in front of one goalie or the other. I’m not sure if that’s true. But I do firmly believe that a goal like the one from center ice, especially when you have a goalie who has been fighting it, can have a negative impact on play – for both the skaters and the goaltender.
The Hawks were forced to play the Preds style, so I guess that can influence the feeling of being outplayed too, but I didn’t feel they were at all dominated. They had plenty of chances.
In a nutshell, I think if they switched goaltenders the Hawks win just as convincibly.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I definitely didn't mean to say or imply that the hawks got dominated.
I guess when you take the goal into account it was fairly even.
Part of it could be that nashville was playing the way they play, part of it could be that the damn wings and blues won again; I was annoyed last night though that is for sure.
Again, three goalposts...
Just saying, not like Rinne had a good night. He got flat beat on a goofy shot by Stalberg and got bailed out. Crawford let a goofy bounce in. That about sums things up, I thought.
Now, that said … 22 shots for the Hawks. The Preds were able to play their game, and the Hawks were clearly not able to play theirs. I might agree with lobster that the Preds outplayed the Hawks, for that reason.
But still, the bounces played a bigger role in the outcome than even the goalies, IMO.
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I loved Bruno's shot...
would have loved it more had it went in – but he’s been playing well.
And Rinne, as good as he is, got lapped twice by the 81 car
I'll concede to your comment
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Impact of switching goaltenders
If you switch goaltenders, you can’t have Hossa and Sharp on your team. This is a rob peter to pay paul kinda league. Preds don’t look like they are going to be able to keep Suter with that goaltender contract.
Hawks have made a decision to “pay” for premier forwards at the expense of having a top goalie. Which before the salary cap might have been a questionable move. However, since the salary cap, two times a statistically average goalie has won the cup.
I just think people need to accept that the Hawks aren’t going to have the best goalie on the ice. And it is in fact on purpose. All Crawford has to do is be a “top half” goalie. Basically, .905 and above and you are getting your money’s worth…
Rinne's contract is insane too.
I don’t want to go over this again though.
I like the hawks philosophy with goalies though. But I also see where the preds come from because you sort of have to play the cards you are dealt.
Sounds like you only watched the 3rd
Because the Preds owned much of the 1st and all of the 2nd period.
Your argument is the D only game up 23 SOG completely ignores Nashville’s game. Their SOG/game average is among the lowest in the league- they wait for mistakes in the D and pounce. Giving up 2 (TWO!) breakaways to these guys in the 2nd is inexcusable, and shouldn’t happen ever. That is WAY worse than a goalie guessing wrong on a breakaway.
The Preds held the Hawks to 11 shots through 2 periods, and ended the game with 12 takeaways. Plus, the eye test showed (at least to me) that play was in the Hawks end far more than Preds in those first two periods.
You can’t play that way with Nashville. Give them a lead into the 3rd, they’ll batten down the hatches and wait you out, just like they did last night.
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So play was basically even based on total shots until the fluke goal
Interesting too that the Hawks were really surging from the start of the 2nd period until that point. Deflating.
Interesting how a mid .700 Sv% has everyone up in arms over the defense (which is still top 10 in the league in limiting shots). Maybe a goaltender who is 53rd in the league (53RD!) in Sv% is a major part of the problem instead?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oui
http://www.secondcityhockey.com/2012/1/22/2725698/les-vacances-de-m-huet
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by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Lets sign him again.
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Yup, and I seriously see Huet as one of three options the Hawks have going forward
since IMO trading for a goaltending is not an option. There’s nothing worth having, or realistically getting, on the market.
They would have to wait until after the trade deadline to move Huet though. No team would claim him off of waivers at that point, since they couldn’t play him until next season and he’ll be a FA before then.
It’s funny how Campbell defenders accuse people of hating Soupy because of his contract, when Huet actually is ridiculed for his contract. Crawford’s numbers are about the same as Huet’s were, people!
He was an excellent goaltender for four years before he came to Chicago. 2009 wasn’t so bad (.909 Sv%) just not what people were hoping for (me included) compared to his contract. 2010 was bad, but his Sv% was .919 last season and he leads the Swiss A league this year at .932.
Who knows?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Usually, this kind of move
either wildly succeeds or wildly fails. I’m honestly asking if you think the ’hawks are willing to bet the farm (meaning the 2012 playoffs) on it?
It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens
No need to bet the farm going this route
Hawks could carry 3 goalies with the expanded roster. Making a trade is betting the farm. This options keeps all cards in play.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
If this were to happen
And I don’t think it will, can you imagine his first game back at the UC? Boos would be falling down upon him before puck drop.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
Your argument ignores the fact that the shots were basically even
Hawks had quite a few missed shots in the first 2 periods. You’re letting the score affect your judgement.
I did clearly state that the Preds had a 10 minute period where they dominated play, but it looked to me like that goal took the wind out of the Hawks. Not a reason to suddenly blow up the defense.
And only giving up 23 shots does not ignore Nashville’s game. If somehow Nashville had a 20% team Sh% I would believe that having about the same number of SOG as them somehow gives them the advantage. It does not work that way. Just because the Hawks were forced to play a slower paced game – on the road – doesn’t mean they were beaten by that system.
And again, the Hawks seemed to had a high number of missed shots – 3 of those missed shots hit the post, since those don’t count as SOG.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not ignoring it- I just don't agree it means what you're trying to make it mean
Nashville has been outshot 32 times this year, and are 19-11-2 in games where they’re outshot (Most in the league). That is their game. When you play it, they find ways to win.
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I agree you can't go toe to toe with them in shots
and expect to win when they have Rinne (and the Hawks don’t).
I actually barely paid attention in the 3rd period. I thought the Hawks looked fine and even slightly in control until the goal from center ice. Then everyone lost their shit for about 10 minutes.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Hawks had 2 SOG in the first period
A period where they were seriously dick-whipped, score notwithstanding.
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by cliffkoroll on Jan 22, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
They also hit a post in that period,
missed several shots from close in, and had a couple of opps were they didn’t get a shot off (Hossa towards the end of the period, for example).
Dick-whipped? That’s hyperbole and a half.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
I know what I saw
since you’ve morphed into Stats Guy over the past few months, you prolly have the first period CORSI breakdown to hand. But by all means, focus on numbers that include 3rd period window dressing.
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I guess if you can’t come up with anything better to throw at me cliff, now that you’ve resigned yourself as of late to playing the role of site troll.
So since my eye test isn’t a good enough basis for my opinion – and since YOU need to base yours on something as simpleton as 2 SOG while ignoring other opportunities, take a look at your window-dressed Corsi.
Hawks and Preds were dead-even in Corsi until the center ice goal. Then it appears the Preds went on a 10-minutes roll where the Hawks laid down and played dead. And then the Preds sat on the lead and Corsi even out again.
This falls in pretty close with what my eyes saw and what I stated here before DH posted that link. But go ahead and play to the crowd with “Stats Guy”. Asshole.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
troll? simpleton? asshole? maybe all three?
/sigh
Maybe the Hawks had a bounce at the beginning of the second period, before the fluky goal. Maybe my first period eye test is all screwed up. Maybe first period CORSI tells a different story from “until the center ice goal”. Maybe CORSI can be misleading from time to time.
As far as me playing to the crowd, really Alan? If you don’t know me by now…
You know what? I don’t really care. As a friend, I’m concerned that you have developed a “bunker” mentality. It’s CNS vs. the world. I don’t know how to interpret the name-calling otherwise.
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by cliffkoroll on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
shot quality is a myth
didn’t you hear?
by oregon_hawk on Jan 22, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
A myth?
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it isn't real!
has no effect on anything, all evens out in the end…
by oregon_hawk on Jan 22, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Unlike moronic comments
which always outweigh rational ones after a loss.
If you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the concept, misrepresent it and make fun of it, I guess.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
i tried pointing out the serious flaws
and ultimate stupidity of the idea that “shot quality ultimately has no affect on team shooting % over the course of a season”, which is really a restatement of the fact that shot quality cannot be assessed in season-scale datasets,
but that didn’t take. Because statistical individuals tend to not like the phrase “I don’t know”.
So, when people won’t turn a serious eye to their own statistical methods, mocking is the next best thing.
by oregon_hawk on Jan 22, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe you need to realize stats don't tell the whole story.
Watch the damn game to see which team played better, it was rather obvious.
on the 2nd night of a back to back
on the road, without your best player for nearly half the game, there’s no shame in not being the dominant team on the ice.
Sometimes, you need your rested #1 goalie to keep you in a game, and this was the perfect situation for it.
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I agree totally with this statement.
I am not upset with the hawks or anything like that. Still though they got outplayed.
Your response to lobster is regarding ONE game
and it has been stated over and over and over and over by those who have shown that shot quality has minimal if any effect over time, that yes, shot quality does exist in a single game or over a small sample size. No one contests that.
So you’re not mocking anything. Seems “pouting” would be more fitting.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I know we have tried to explain this before
For those interested I explained it once here.
There are also all kinds of explanations from various stats people all over the web. There IS an impact on shot quality. It is just so small that other factors are much more important.
It’s like winning a faceoff. People put WAY TO MUCH emphasis on something that is NOT as important as people think.
And I agree with you John, when people aren’t intelligent enough to understand a concept why do they even open their mouths? All it does is put a neon sign on them to show how stupid they really are.
Shot quality exists over a whole season.
Not one game, not one player, a whole season.
As I said, which you did not read, the problem is that shot quality cannot be assessed in season-scale data sets, and this inability to assess shot quality is taken by stat-heads to mean that shot quality does not exist.
This is because they don’t like saying “I don’t know”.
Shot quality has not been shown to have a minimal effect. It has only been shown that when poor methods are used to assess shot quality, shot quality is shown to have a minimal effect. The analysis is poor, and so are the results.
Again, there you go with
is taken by stat-heads to mean that shot quality does not exist.
Only you are stating that. It’s like talking to a brick wall, so I’ll just say “Uncle.”
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Strawman
the problem is that shot quality cannot be assessed in season-scale data sets, and this inability to assess shot quality is taken by stat-heads to mean that shot quality does not exist.
That is a ridiculously stupid statement. You are just making things up. And any stat that can be analyzed for a game can be analyzed for a season. That’s not and never has been the issue. And again the primary issue is what I stated in the above link. Which you obviously did not read.
And if you don’t like my post, there are all kinds of articles out there on the subject. Maybe you might want to try and read one of them to understand the subject before commenting further…
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…having to wait interminably to get any information on his status. This is going to be a very long 24 hours…
if we get any more info
the hawks are as tight-lipped as anyone when it comes to injuries
by oregon_hawk on Jan 22, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone watching the Pens/Caps?
Pretty entertaining game so far. Semin just scored to make it 2-2.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 22, 2012 12:59 PM CST reply actions
oh my god did anyone see that rebound fleury gave up?
what a terrible goalie, they should trade him
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 22, 2012 1:00 PM CST reply actions
To the Hawks
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Jan 22, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t confuse Fleury with Crawford.
One is an elite netminder with a Stanley Cup Ring and should’ve been the starting netminder in the Gold Medal Game.
The other looks like another Steve Penny.
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Or Crawford as Huet
now im just being mean now .
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Not really. Which was worse Robidas’ or Klein’s?
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Robidas' for sure.
Huet also made twice as much cash as crawford though so I was harder on him.
Both have looked about the same with Emery and Gustavsson taking over the starting position, or at least sharing the duties.
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I have more faith in crawford's game rebounding than reimer's.
And not just because I am a hawks fan, I just think crawford is a better goalie.
im more making fun of the point that every single mistake crawford makes
gets overanalyzed. its like he can’t do anything right once he falls out of favor or is playing bad.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 22, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
not so sure about your high enconium for Fleury...
He was phenomenal when Pitt won the cup. I picked him up in our Fantasy League the next year and he was a mediocre producer
Sure wouldn’t pay him big bucks – anyone know what Fleury makes off the top of you heads?
Looked it up
$5 Mil a year
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by The Cup And Back Again on Jan 22, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Fleury let in 3 golas on 20 shots today...
send him to switzerland – where all goalies who suck go to die
new name idea!
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 23, 2012 3:28 AM CST up reply actions
Don't confuse Fleury with elite
He’s very good, among the top Canadain goaltenders, but that’s the one position Canadians aren’t that great at nowadays.
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milbury saying ovechkin is elevating his game
after show his a clip of him leaving his feet and drilling orpik’s head into the glass.
epic pun or flaming idiot?
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 22, 2012 1:23 PM CST reply actions
Saw that.
Hold on let me check some facts. Yup the isles are still paying yashin’s buyout… flaming idiot.
Easy call...flaming idiot
He and Pierre were both espousing Malkin as the greatest player in the Universe (their words, not mine) after saying nearly the same thing about Toews the other day. Unless we have proven there are multiple universes and someone failed to forward me the memo, how can two players be the single greatest player?
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 22, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
if we assume that there are infinite multiple universes
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by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
then in one of them John Scott is the greatest player
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by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Not even a healthy Sidney Crosby?
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If healthy, nobody is in Crosby’s level. Not even close.
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Ovie at one point was
imo but i dont know what happenend to him in the last 2 years or so.
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Once they finally realize that the best way for the Capitals to win consistently is to let the horses run wild (like today) then Ovechkin will not reach the levels of numbers like he did a couple of years ago IMO.
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Just to think if
we won the Sidney Crosby sweepstakes. No Jack Skille haha.
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Crosby will never play like a healthy Sidney Crosby again.
So, what does healthy Sydney Crosby even mean?
Concussion like symptoms free
If i was Crosby I’d sit for the rest of the year so that way he will be concussion free (hopefully). And becomes healthy and dominates again
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i don't know, his first (and only?) game back from his concussion, he had what? a 5 point game?
Crosby has still got it, just needs to be concussion free
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by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
His first game back was his best and it was against a weak team
He’s still a great player, but I don’t think he’s “The Next One” anymore
eh, it may have been the islanders, but i haven't seen anyone else do it, especially not after coming back from a long injury
if he can get healthy, i think he’ll get right back into the swing of things. the getting healthy part is key though
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by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
I get what you're saying but I don't fully agree
Mostly because he’d been cleared for contact and had been practicing for some time, and because he didn’t score another goal in the next 7 games. AND because he’s out again.
that's fair. i guess we'll see when he comes back fully healthy
since i hope it does happen for him, and at this point he’s really not.
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by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
It'd be a god send if he came back and was able to play 82 games
It’d be good for the league and I know I’d love watching him. Hold on hope I guess.
yeah for sure.
overall its kind of crazy how many players are out right now. The Concussion team just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
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by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well he is only 24 i think. so he should still have it.
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Really?
What does your crystal ball have to say about the stock market?
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by cliffkoroll on Jan 22, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Malkin is the league’s MVP as he’s single-handedly pushing the Penguins into the playoffs. Toews has more weapons at his disposal and a better supporting cast.
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Toews is right now neck and neck with datsyuk for best defensive forward in the game.
Malkin is nowhere close.
I’m talking MVP, not Selke.
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I think defense comes into play when you are talking about who is MVP.
Though I guess you do pretty much have to give it to malkin at this point.
MVP is most valuable player to the team. Malkin who is dragging the Pens to the playoffs
all by his lonesome, “defense” or not, is hands down the MVP at this point.
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by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
last year was definitely amazing. And they had a number of players out (besides Geno and Crosby), right?
And right now I think they are short Staal and Crosby, but they were missing Letang, Neal and someone else I think for a while.
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by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
aside from Backes, of course
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by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Dont forget
Burrows too.
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Flaming idiot
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Been playing dynasty warriors 3?
by BodomSlayer on Jan 22, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
its already on PD - how was that not even a minor penalty in the game?!
chances he gets suspended?
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by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Crawford is bad period!
On his knees for a shot from the red line? just cut his legs off it will save him wasted time getting up!
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So if he is on his feet
And it skids in by his legs, that would be fine then?
Seriously, how do you think he should have defended or handled it? On his knees he is presenting a bigger low side target and will be quicker with the hands. Standing, not so much.
It was a fluke goal, not the one people need to get wrapped around, the ones that came because he left big fat juicy rebounds 5-10’ from the net are the ones that need to be bitched about, not the fucking fluke!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not upset about the goal. I am upset about the composure we had after it.
It was a fluke, and he should have written it off. Problem is he has no confidence. If you let kind of shit in. You stand on your head the rest of the game.
When I decide to change my personality I will let you know what I become.
by Blackhawks Transplant on Jan 22, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
When I saw it,
I was not happy, but not pissed. I was more like, “that fucking sucks, what can you do?”. Though my GDT comment was the typical profane response because it was just what the Hawks did NOT need to have happen at that time.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
I really wasn’t upset about the fluke goal (although they do seem to happen to goalies more often than not who are struggling). It was the meltdown afterwards that was alarming.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Same response for me.
All I could think about was how bad his confidence was. I was quite worried about how he was going to respond.
That's the way goalies
are taught to play these days. They all go down or into the butterfly immediately, save for Tim Thomas, who is still old-school.
And, of course today’s goalies always reveal the 5-hole and night after night, the top forwards usually score. I do not understand modern goaltending at all. I played goal as a teen, and “standing up on your skates” for control was taught. I was told you gave up too much of the top shelf when you are down on your knees
But I’m older, and styles change. It’s not just Crawford. Niemi still confounds me when I see him stretching forward, on his face for no reason. However, a longer sample size now shows that Niemi has better rebound control than Crawford.
But still, he wanted too much cash to sign. Hammer seemed like a better deal — good defense helps a decent goalie. Right now, Hammer hasn’t lived up to his deal. Niemi has.
What’s done…is done. Crawford has to improve due to an inconsistent defensive core.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jan 22, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
When the puck bounces 8 feet in front of the goalie
the puck can stay on the ice the rest of the way or bounce 3 feet in the air like it did on that play. It’s why luck plays such a big part in the game…
Due to the large size of most goalies these days
they are hoping that they can still cover most of the net when they are down.
I find it a lot easier to pick my spot low then up high when shooting.
If a goalie is standing that gives me a ton of room to work with. If he is down I have to shoot high, which I am not as accurate with, their is less to shoot at.
If this is how it is for most shooters not just myself, I understand why goalies are taught to cover low first.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yes because you need more time and space to elevate the puck
by LavalPhantom on Jan 22, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
That is a big part of it
You do need the space, but I think the higher you try to get the puck, the more inaccurate it seems to be, it could just be me.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Nope that's exactly right
Selective memory is at work here — we all remember the shots that successfully go through the butterfly goalie’s 5-hole, but we don’t keep count of all the high shot which miss and were taken because the goalie was taking away the bottom layer.
I also need to call shenanigans on the claim that Niemi has “lived up to his deal.” A lot of Sharks fans sure don’t think that, and they have reason. He was brutal for them for half a season, then great for half a season, then lousy in the playoffs when they most needed him. They would have knocked out the Canuckleheads with solid goaltending but Niemi didn’t provide it. Now this season he’s been good so far, so we’ll see how he is come springtime. Another playoff letdown will definitely not leave the Sharks feeling like he is living up to anything.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 22, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Shooting low is definitely easier because you’re only required to control your aim along one plane – the ice. Since the puck is already resting on the ice all you need to do is direct it. As LavalPhantom mentions… as soon as you want to raise the puck and pick a corner, you have to aim along two planes which requires more time.
You often see beer league ‘tenders that used to be great but eventually they become too old (or bad knees/hips etc.) and they just can’t go down. Those guys get roasted with shots along the ice.
You are next.
by M7 on Jan 23, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Only watched the first period before I had to go, but I watched the highlights...
That said, despite looking kinda ugly. Everybody seems like they’re losing their shit a bit too hard.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 22, 2012 5:12 PM CST reply actions
Even though Boston annoucers swear it was not a bad hit (and the Bruins ain't dirty)
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 5:24 PM CST reply actions
eff him (and them)
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck Milbury too for saying it was a "legal" hit
Milbury is still a Fucking Idiot.
I wonder when the last time he looked at the NHL rule book. He has fucked up Penalty Shot Rules (defenseman covering the puck in the crease), does not understand what a “head shot” is and that the hitting player is responsible for the hit, and does not know “pushing” is written right into the boarding penalty description.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
StayPuff is such a loud mouth bag of cock.
I cant believe that guy can walk the streets without security.
by SECORD3 on Jan 22, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
this may well
be the single greatest comment ever made on this site, by anyone, anytime.
StayPuft is such a loud mouth bag of cock.
I cant believe that guy can walk the streets without security.
you may well be able to hear my applause from across the Atlantic..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
I have to change the channel everytime he starts talking because I know I'm not going to like what he's going to say
His insistence on saying that taking certain hits (so headshots) out of the game will wimpify the league is absurd.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
I do not favor bannishing ALL headshots (meaning anytime the head is hit to the sin-bin)
But I do favor making all hits that target the head a no-no, accidents happen and other factors may make the head hit, that should not be made a penalty.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with that, incidental contact happens, though I do think the circumstances are important
you should be as in control of your body as you are your stick, but sometimes that is just not possible. I don’t have any examples of what I mean though, and I realize that its probably a little confusing.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I was listening to the rangers announcers - they really said it was clean? So similar to the Detroit announcers yesterday
So dumb, like I said yesterday, even Ference acknowledged he was at fault
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
did he acknowldege it like this, by any chance?

"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
apparently he did in the book the Bruins put out.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't think it was clean, but
I didn’t think it was all that bad until I saw the skate thing in the Shannaban video. 3 games is about right.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
its interesting, i think most people didn't see that. and once they did, it made sense.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
well that's not actually interesting at all but i'm sure you get what i mean
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 22, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah he drives me nuts.
Though when milbury is on tv I always have a chuckle that he can analyze hockey without feeling complete shame over what he did as a gm.
That goes through my head everytime he says
“Team A really needs to pick up a 3rd pair defenseman….”
If I were a GM after I heard him say that I would be like
“So I need a top 6 forward or another Goalie”.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
I enjoy sane comments from local writers.
Thank you Chris Boden. Also fuck you Jesse Rogers.
So is there an official moratorium on DLR'ing without the 5 goals yet?
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 22, 2012 6:12 PM CST reply actions
One thing that sucks about being a pro-athlete
When you have a bad day everybody knows it. Imagine the shit we would catch if for the rest of us, when we had a bad day it was broadcast live and we had thousands of “arm-chair” coaches second guessing us, guessing our confidence, composure, mindset, knowledge, skill and desire.
The Hawks and Crawford had a real bad game, BIG FUCKING DEAL. The fact is they have becoming a fewer and farther between, which is fucking awesome. Without Shooter in the lineup they have been winning. Guys have been stepping up, rookies have paid dividends. The NSH game was the first time Crow gave up 4+ in 6 games, in his last 12 starts he has given up 4+ only 3 times. So for 75% of his starts all he is asking for his offense to do is score 3 goals to earn at least a point if not a straight out win, for a team that is averaging about 3.25 GFG, that is not asking much!
Everybody relax, the SKY IS NOT FALLING!!!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 6:42 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
rec'd for sanity
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 22, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
and troof!
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 22, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
are you sure?
I went outside and it looks like the clouds are breaking up and piling up on the ground….
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
You're in NYC, right?
Don’t step in that stuff. It has a high “meat” content.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Rah team
The NSH game was the first time Crow gave up 4+ in 6 games, in his last 12 starts he has given up 4+ only 3 times. So for 75% of his starts all he is asking for his offense to do is score 3 goals to earn at least a point if not a straight out win, for a team that is averaging about 3.25 GFG, that is not asking much!
A goalie giving up 4+ in 25% of his starts? Um, that’s actually pretty awful TMFF. Now I feel worse. I didn’t realize it was that bad.
Now contrast that to St Louis, whose goalies shut out the opposition in 20% of their starts.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ugh
I’m actually with you on this one. That’s a lot of fucking goals :|
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 22, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
However,
When your team is scoring 3.25 GFG, if that is enough to earn 1 or 2 points for 75% of the games, THAT is not shabby for the team.
STL HAS to have that type of goaltending, they AVG only 2.55 GFG, if they had only an average GAG mark of 2.69 they would be in deep shit! They Hawks do not need to have that holyshit level of goalies (would be nice though) with the scoring they put up.
If the Hawks were not scoring like they do, I would say it is a HUGE fucking concern, but they do score allot, and when your goalie allows fewer goals than your team scores 75% of the time, that is not too bad, and that was my point. Crows GAA is nothing to champion, but he overall is doing more then well enough by a 3:1 ratio to let the Hawks win.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 22, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
Well this might be another chicken or egg thing
In that if we didn’t go so balls to the wall offense and had better coordinated team defense, would we have so many GAA. Same for STL, if they didn’t play so defensively, would they be scoring more?
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 22, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
I see what you're saying
It’s like Nashville not having to put up so many points because their D/system/goalie are good at keeping the puck out of their net. But I would rather our team not give up more goals than most everybody else in the league, because that’s going to stop working in the playoffs. And the goalie is as much a part of that as the D (both by the forwards and the D-men).
I don't disagree the Hawks give up too much
Just pointing out, with their scoring and how many they do give up, no need to scream the WORLD IS ENDING!!!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 6:05 AM CST up reply actions
25% of his last 12 starts
not 25% of his starts, the way you worded that made it sound much worse
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 22, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
You're right
Over the course of the season, he’s given up 4 or more goals in 30.33% (10 of 33) of his starts.
Better? ;)
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 22, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
30.33% believe it or not
Is BELOW the league average of 4+ goal games!
715 Games have been played, 444 times a team has scored 4+ goals for 31.05%.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
OK, now take just starting goaltenders
Not backups and fill-ins who play 25-30% of games in the NHL.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Trying to do that now
But, if all we asked for at the begining of the season was for Crow to play average, and the Hawks should be fine, well he is hovering around NHL averages in alot of areas. That is the NHL average, he is a little better then it in this one.
This is all I am trying to point out. I WANT Crow to be better, but he is on the whole doing just about what was asked, be an average goalie who can keep them in games most nights out, and he is.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Huh?
Not sure what do you mean?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Average for starting goaltenders
Not average for all goaltenders in league. That would suggest worst of all the starters.
He is not the worst
He is 23rd of the 33 who have started 19+ (20+ games only 29 gaolies qual for).
Still not great in the slightest, but very far from the worst.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
This team does not win the Cup with an average goaltender
2010’s team could. This isn’t that dominate of a team.
Not sure how you think he’s been anywhere even close to average? The fact that his 4+ goals 30% of the time may be in line with league average ignores the fact that other goaltenders have shutouts (where their teams are guaranteed points, typically 2). Crow has none.
You might be trying to hard TMFF!
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Was trying to not run up to and jump off the ledge
Trying to show the Hawks are not in a desperate position, and the calls for Crow’s head are absurd.
He is not doing as well as we would like or had hoped for, their is no arguing that. But it is not all doom and gloom either, he is NOT playing that terrible, he is not single handidly killing this team. He is an average goalie right now. He has mediocre numbers, he is slowly improving over the course of the season (by SV% and GAA) and does need to be better still.
Just trying to pull some guys out of the doldrums.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Hawks fans are just too loud...oh yeah, they seem to outnumber us too
When man with no neck speaks, we say, “Wow, man with no neck speaks!”
Says, ahem, “Thank you” to Hawks fans.
I got sworn at for merely clapping for the anthem.
They really took major offense to that. Was also told by a guy sitting next to me that the Preds fans hate Hawks fans much more than Detroit and STL fans.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, that sounds classy.
They were really nice to us in Detroit. Hard to imagine them being more douchey in Nashville.
by BodomSlayer on Jan 23, 2012 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
Guy next to me was fantastic. People in front - not so much.
The guy next to me said “shit” after we hit a post and some lady turned around and said “son, you’re in the Bible belt now. Watch your mouth”
5 minutes later she was chanting “Crawford sucks!”
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
lady behind me when
I went to scum land told me she was from Chicago and grew up a Hawks fan. Now she hates them and is a scum fan. Needless to say she wasn’t happy when we scored less than a minute in and her and her husband left after the first. Everyone was really nice though.
by BodomSlayer on Jan 23, 2012 2:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Craw Pull
Sounds sorta like a Fish Fry or Clam Bake. Always tastes bad though.
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
And didn't Niemi
Let up a strange bouncing goal like that in Game 1 vs Nashville in 2010? I just watched the highlights On Demand and Crawford did look pretty poor. Especially when he ate the ice and watched that puck go in over his head. It’s lackluster play like that which seems to suck the life out of this team.
Just like we needed to ‘get back to basics’ to score again on the PP they really need to do the same with Crawford. He is not Tim Thomas and needs to realize he has a very good skill set to work with rather than trying to be someone else.
Regarding the stupid goalie agrument
Jimmy Howard had a shit show year of ups and downs last year during his sophomore slump only to go into beast mode during the playoffs and have a stellar first half of his third year…
The year they won the Cup they allowed the fewest shots on goal by a large margin, fucking huge in fact. This year they are playing defense like a bunch of selfish chotches standing on the blue line looking to go yard.
They will still make the playoffs baring some meltdown of epic proportions and if healthy will do a lot of damage based on their offensive badassery alone.
Not the end of the world. Not time to throw anyone under the bus. Except Mike Kitchen… he is a dick bag IMO.
This is based on what?
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions

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