Morning Links - (1/23)
by JuliaM on Jan 23, 2012 8:51 AM CST
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PrintDaily Blackhawks news and league-wide notables.
- Jonathan Toews left Nashville injured. Could be serious. [Tribune] [CSN] [ESPN] [MyFoxChicago]
- Should we be panicking about Corey Crawford yet? [CSN]
- Marcus Kruger loves playing with Hossa. [Tribune]
- They say Adam Clendening is coming along nicely. [blackhawks.nhl.com]
- This team might have problems in April when, sing it, defense wins championships. [ESPN]
- Four teams from the Central Division in the top six. Madness, also history. [Cheer the Anthem]
- Block has the Ice Hogs roundup. [Third Man In]
- Yet another argument against employing pure fighters. [NYTimes]
- Friedman takes an extended look at big free-agent contracts. [CBC]
- The NHL and the NHLPA reached a decision about 2010-2011 Hockey Related Revenue. Don't expect CBA negotiations to go this well. [Globe&Mail]
- Hackel discusses the unpredictability of goalie performance. [SI.com]
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in a bit of hopefully positive news...
one of my bosses lives in the same building as Toews. He saw him yesterday when he was getting off the elavator. I asked him if he was wearing a cast, and he said no. He did have a tommy Bahama shirt on and a bag full of sun tan lotion.
So you're saying he was traded to Florida?
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
some call me the gangster of love
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Maurice? that you?
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
and just what it the pompatus of love?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I always felt
“That was one of those things that was best left unsolved”
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
you'd maybe need to bleach your eyes after seeing it?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I guess all teams should just stop playing now
and hand the East the cup. There is NO chance that any of these teams can possibly win to the inferior Eastern conference. Fuck Boston, Fuck NY. Reasons why I hate both those teams is the complex that is associated with the East
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
I did enjoy the commenter who said
A conference with great, good, mediocre and very bad teams?!! Astute analysis bro.
by Kev623 on Jan 23, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You have to appreciate Lambert for what he is
A jingoistic troll that is very good at getting under certain people’s skin. If you’re a fan of Calgary, Vancouver, Boston or whoever USA Hockey is playing, I’d steer clear of him. Otherwise, enjoy the masses he riles up.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
He cracks me up.
If you’re taking him seriously, you’re doing it wrong.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Jan 23, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Note to Dumb Shit self
Don’t ever try to talk reason into a PD commentor. It will make your brain hurt!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
you're lucky
to get away with your brain intact!
Be careful, there, dude! That place is bad for the old grey-matter..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
This has to be a new low for Rogers.
Is he really giving ‘advice’ on Toews and an injury?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 9:22 AM CST reply actions
i've come up
with a solution to the hawks goaltending:
get cheap goalie
make him the starter
find elite goaltender
pey dat man hes money
make him the backup goaltender
play backup over the starter, but keep telling everyone he is still the backup
destroy other teams
win cup
realize that in chicago, the starter is always worse than the backup.
The articles on goalies and on big contracts kind of point to the same conclusion
…regarding NHL goaltenders today, which would be that outside of a very small number of elites there is parity. Which means that a team which doesn’t happen to have a proven Vezina contender would be wasting resources to try to grab something just below that level, the mythical “proven” NHL starting goalie. See e.g. the Oilers signing Khabibulin, the Hawks signing Huet, the Flyers going for Bryz, etc.
Basically if you don’t have one of the very few top studs the rational thing to do today is avoid big investment in the goalie position — you’ll be able to find a Ray Emery or a new kid who is going to be 95% as effective as the established vet who you could sign. [I know of course that some teams have tried and failed to pull that off, e.g. the Flyers every year lately, but that seems to say more about those teams’ managements than about the actual available pool of goalies today.]
Which if correct means among other things that investing a chunk of cap space in a young goalie who’s had one good-but-not-elite season as a starter (as the Sharks did with Niemi, the Hawks did with Crawford, etc) is not sensible. Not because those goalies “suck” but rather because there are so many now who are decent: they are not particularly more effective overall than would be the replacement-level goalie who could have been acquired much cheaper.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 AM CST reply actions
Grammar fail
In the final sentence the “they” refers to the young one-season starters signed to bigger deals such as Niemi and Crawford.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 23, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Good observations...
I always thought Bryzgalov was upper echelon – glad we don’t have that contract at the moment.
Chris Block’s piece gave a glimmer of hope in a kid called Carter Hutton, (who), he went 4-0 last week for the Hogs and only gave up a total of 5 goals in those games – two of which were against the Wolves.
my thought – there’s still a lot of hockey to be played this season. Ride the waves with Crow – if you don’t he’ll be second guessing every shot he faces. Each goal will be like that pendulum coming closer and closer to the belly – until the blood starts squirting and we have a real mess on our hands.
For you golatenders out there – is crow coming further out of the net than he did last year?
Carter Hutton is NOT property of the Blackhawks.
He is just some AHL level guy the Icehogs (not the Blackhawks) signed. Who is better than Richards with Salak on IR. Pretty much tells you all you need to know about Richards.
If he is Rockford property (not on loan from elsewhere) - the Hawks could sign him
If Bowman hasn’t thoroughly humped the maximum contract limit (like last year, if I recall correctly)
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
i've said this before
but personally, i have not seen a major change in crow’s style from last year. i would put the biggest difference in between his ears right now. its not a glamorous response, but it makes the most sense to me.
goaltending is such a situational position, the shot you stopped in one game could go in the next. as i continue to watch hockey, ive noticed the body of work of several goaltenders whos style has not drastically changed put up vastly different numbers from year to year. look at miller, halak, roloson, bryz, etc. there is an intangible quality to the position that can give a team great confidence, or utter shakiness (see huet, cristobal), and of course, so much depends on the team playing in front of a tender. we can all see who is doing well or bad during a certain year, but playing well consistently year in year out takes a special goaltender.
i had to look it up again...
but did you realize Tim thomas has only played in the NHL for 6 seasons.
always appreciate your goaltending acumen. I don’t know why, it just seems to me he’s straying from the net a lot further that, especially, when he first came up.
saw hutton play last night...
he was good, but he is 27. The IceHogs also played surprisingly tight defense.
False dichotomies can be fun.
Especially when it’s a Hawks net discussion.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Twitters say no Toews at practice
No update until Q meets the media
Um, he's sick.
My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Toews pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
by Badgerdano on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Maybe we need to get that private investigator mentioned in the yesterday's thread on the case
WE NEED ANSWERS!!!
Partying with Kaner
at 3am in Nashburg will do that to an amateur like Tazer.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
the dead strippers, the pile of blow
It all takes it’s toll after awhile
TMZ is reporting Kane was found in the apartment of Paris Hilton's pet chihuahua.
He was face-down in a puddle of regurgitated Red Bull and Jager clutching a photo of Captain Marvel and quietly mumbling ’I’m smart. I was passed over.’
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Good to have you back, Badger.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
he was in chicago.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 23, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
THE FUCK YOU BEEN?
We’ve been worried sick! The mac and cheese should still be in the microwave but I’d check for mold as it’s been there since like early December.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
A little mold never kilt anyone before.
A little kilt though, well, Germ will have to speak to that.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Defence wins Championships?
LIke the 32nd ranked defence in New England, or the 29th ranked defence in New York?
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Wrong sport
Also, those two defenses are playing at a higher level right now. Use your eyes, not regular season stats.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 23, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
maybe the point that can be made is that this is the regular season
you need to do what you have to in order to get in and position yourself. It’s a long tune up throughout the year but at the end, the playoffs are a different animal and never know what can happen.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Also those NFL rankings are stupid
since they are based on simply total yards allowed. Like ranking MLB pitching staffs by hits allowed or something.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Not only is your analogy bad
It’s wrong. During the regular season they might have been ranked low, but go ask your Packers if they think the NY Giants defense is bad. See how Alex Smith feels today after getting sacked 6 times. Go ask Tim Tebow and Joe Flacco why they couldn’t move the ball against the 32nd worst defense.
In the sport the article is referring to, there is no question team defense and good goal-tending wins championships. It’s axiomatic.
by Skags on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with your point overall
But Flacco had a great game yesterday, especially for Flacco standards
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I think you mean 'defense'
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Derka derb.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, Sherpa Sherpa.
"Make the bastard chase you, he will follow."
by RaoulDuke27 on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
New England has a hockey team?
What league are we talking about here the NHL only has 30 teams right, or did I miss a memo?
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
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Fuckin' expansion
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
At least this means the
realignment will work
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
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Gordie Howe is coming back to play for them too
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
can we please stop talking about football here
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Is Clendening ascendening?
I think it was Forklift who said the guy bench presses buick Roadmasters.
He's a soph at Boston - so likey older than 18 by now
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
At 5'11 give or take - he sounds a lot like a slower Leddy if he isn't fanatical about the wieght training
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
stan compared his game more to seabs in the article
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 23, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Well yea but
a Seabrook who’s 5’11" doesn’t sound that promising as far as succeeding against today’s NHL forwards. If you’re gonna be that size in the league now you better have the tools to play the Keith/Leddy/Campbell style of D. At least to have hope of being a top-4 guy anyway…just being really good with the puck won’t by itself be enough (see Barker, Cam).
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 23, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
He's only 20, though
maybe he’ll add an inch or two in height over the next couple years.
by Katherine215 on Jan 23, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
looked great at last summer's prospects camp, but...
he got lit up in the World Junior’s. Along with Stephen Johns, who is also ours.
Dude, please not again
I’d like to start this week without my brain being turned to oatmeal ;-)
Let's Go Hawks!
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Toews out tomorrow, probably no ASG, “not serious”
well good on both accounts
He should rest and take it easy. Could of been much worse news.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Collective sigh of relief...
Sucks to have him out for even a game but this could have been so much worse.
Now it’s going to be VERY interesting to see if the rest of the team steps up without him. A solid W tomorrow night would be a great statement re; the depth and character of this team.
by bluekoolaide on Jan 23, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Defence wins championships, NHL version
If we look at where the Cup finalists each season finished leaguewide for the regular season in goals allowed per game [I know not a perfect stat for judging team defense but it’s the best single one readily available], here are the results since the lockout:
2011: Bos 2nd, Van 1st
2010: Chi 6th, Phi 15th
2009: Pit 9th, Det 3rd
2008: Det 1st, Pit 5th
2007: Ana 7th, Ott 10th
2006: Car 20th, Edm 12th
The Hawks right now are 17th in the league in GA/game.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 PM CST reply actions
Seems the biggest complaints this season are about the defense
and rightly so, in general, by looking at the goals allowed. But I wonder if the bigger problem is lack of possession? Or if it’s at least as much on the forwards as the defense and goalies? Or maybe it’s the system/coaching?
2010 Defense
Keith-Seabrook
Soupy-Hjammer
Sopel-Hendry
(Boynton, Barker, Johnsson)
2012 Defense
Keith-Seabrook
Leddy-Hjammer
Monty-OD
(Lepisto, Scott, Olsen)
Sopel was on most people’s shit list until late in the season. Hendry was nothing special and probably a healthy scratch on most teams. Hjammer was in his first full season and got some protection with easier zone starts. The forward corps rocked.
This year, Leddy is a downgrade from Campbell, but I’d take Monty and OD over Sopel-Hendry every day of the week. Add to that, that another defenseman will likely be picked up before the trade deadline. To me that’s a pretty damn good defense with potential to be even better.
IMO the problem is Q’s lack of trust in his 3rd pairing. Because of that he’s misemploying the top 4. Leddy and Hjammer have been getting the toughest zone assignments in an effort to free up 7-2 to produce more offense. If 4-8 is your shutdown pairing, your defensive numbers are going to suffer.
Basically, Q has decided that the best way for this team to win is to outscore the opposition in a scene from the O.K. Corral, instead of trying to limit the oppositions’ scoring. He’s probably correct with this approach. The Hawks don’t have big physical defenders, and because of “preferred sides” his pairing options are extremely limited. Since the Hawks are near the top of league in points, despite our concerns, apparently it’s working. For now. And Q being Q, he’s going to ride that ideology until it stops working in the W column.
If the Hawks pick up the right defensive player before the deadline, that should also correct A LOT of the problems with the defense. 7-2 would be able to go back to a more balanced role. Leddy should get freed up to contribute on the offensive side where he was successful earlier in the season. And Q should be able to use Hjammer-Monty as a solid all-purpose pairing that can also eat up a lot of minutes.
The big question is, “Is that player (still) out there?”
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
apparently its kitchen that controls the d corps in games
so while q might not hold a lot of trust in the third pairing, kitchen certainly doesnt.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I read that too
I HIGHLY doubt Kitchen has as much control as Jesse credits him with so he can subtly blame Kitchen for 7-2’s minutes. I call Bullshit.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
perhaps you are right
but then what good are assistant coaches who don’t control much
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 23, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's total BS
The head coach picks who goes out. The assistants (forward and D) are basically book keepers who relay total minutes (and situational minutes) back to the head coach in-period. Typically the assistants will also note who their controlled players match up against. For example, Kitchen will note who most of his pairings match-up against (opposition forwards) and vice-versa for Havi. Their numbers and match-ups will be approximate but should be accurate enough such that when Q asks them for “live” details they can update him and then he can make his adjustments and match-up calls. This way the assistants are “good guys” or “buddies” with the players, tracking minutes, giving little pointers but not making the hard decisions about who gets sat and where situational minutes are divided. The head coaches job is to be the bad guy. Calling which line is next is the bad guys role. That’s why most honest head coaches will always take the fall for a too-many men because it’s their call (even if the guy jumping the boards misheard etc.).
This is all pretty standard coaching protocol at higher/elite levels. Individual coaches and teams might do things slightly different – but it wouldn’t be by much (e.g. maybe one of the assistants is a real numbers guy and tracks just about everyone). Assistants may tell guys who’s up next with the explicit understanding that if the head coach says different everybody will give him 3 bags full.
You are next.
by M7 on Jan 23, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Q has decided that the best way for this team to win is to outscore the opposition in a scene from the O.K. Corral, instead of trying to limit the oppositions’ scoring. He’s probably correct with this approach. The Hawks don’t have big physical defenders, and because of "preferred sides" his pairing options are extremely limited. Since the Hawks are near the top of league in points, despite our concerns, apparently it’s working. For now. And Q being Q, he’s going to ride that ideology until it stops working in the W column.
Because this is what win Championships. Was Colorado a good defensive team? Detroit? Tampa Bay? Anyone besides the Wings in 2008 and Bruins in 2011? Sure, there is always the NJ in the pack but for the most part it’s the offence that wins.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
a classic illustration
of the principle that, in sports, he who scores the most wins, right?
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'm talking about sport
not “A good walk, ruined” :p
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by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fairly certain
we were considered a good defensive team…
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
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I don't know where you got that.
Q is and always has been a D first coach.
Yes, the Hawks numbers completely support your statement
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think my sarcasm detector just broke.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
STATISTICS FAIL
I got the 2009 line completely wrong, and the 2008 partly wrong…oops.
The correct regular-season rankings for GA/game for the Cup finalists are (no really):
2011: Bos 2nd, Van 1st
2010: Chi 6th, Phi 15th
2009: Pit 17th, Det 21st
2008: Det 1st, Pit 10th
2007: Ana 7th, Ott 10th
2006: Car 20th, Edm 12th
The Hawks are currently 17th in the league in GA/game.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 23, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
So basically middle of the pack defensive teams win Championships. Thank-you.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
well, I'M humming now..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Well..._can_ win championships, yea
I was surprised to find that in five of those six seasons at least one team in the Cup finals had not been in the top quarter of the league in GA during the regular season.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 23, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Besides Carolina and Pit....
who there is middle of the pack?
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
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Under the microwscope
Hey, about the Kostitsyn goal in particular, I’d like some input from you scholars of the art of goaltending.
On Hossa’s breakaway goal, I thought of course he’ll score because he’s Marian Hossa. On Kostitsyn’s goal, it looked to me like Kostitsyn made a good move, but a part of me also said ehhhhh Crawford looked rather clumsy. I think I’ve seen it commented on this site that one of Crow’s defects is that he does not have a poke check in his toolbox. And offhand, I can’t remember seeing it from him. Was this a play where it would have served him well?
And speaking of the poke check, I wonder if JC Petit is available. I haven’t looked at the numbers to see if he would fit under the salary cap. But he would certainly fit on the team bus.
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
on the kostitsyn goal
crow had shifted to the center of the crease and was not far enough out to create any backwards momentum to match kostitsyn’s stride. this left him frozen against kostitsyn’s speed. put that together with the shooter coming directly down the slot, that shot fake killed crow. tough not to bite on a fake where the guy had the puck with time from a deadly position (think how many shootout attempts toews burns goalies like that), but what killed crow was his positioning once kostitsyn received the puck. i would say, kostitsyn kept good distance on his fake and crow wouldn’t have had a chance for a poke check, so i wouldn’t put the blame on that.
From CSN about Toews
Jonathan Toews will be out when the Chicago Blackhawks host the Nashville Predators on Tuesday night, and his appearance at the All-Star Game this weekend is unlikely.
Coach Joel Quenneville said Toews is officially listed as day to day with an upper-body injury he sustained on Saturday against the Predators. Quenneville said they’ll have to wait and see if Toews will join the team for the Western Canada part of their trip after the break.
At least we know enough in advance that the team can practice and figure out what works without him? I’m keeping my thoughts positive for Tuesday.
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If you have to be injured Capt.
this may be the time. Skip the Predators and ASG and just drink and chase tail instead.
That makes Keith the only “A”
Here’s hope he not out for long!
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by thepuckstopshere31 on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Seabs has been wearing it in Sharp's absence. DOn't know if we get a 3rd with the Captain out?
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
maybe they give it to Kane and let the added responsibilty do something. Doubt it but who knows
Maybe it’ll be Bolland and he can aim his crazy eyes at everyone and make them behave.
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's the likeliest possibility
Or maybe one of the old guys
I would assume its someone who's been on the team for a while, but it could just be a "veteran" guy like OD
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
If honestly guessing, I'd say Bolland
Tenure. I think the last guy they’d go for is Patrick Kane. Nothing against 88, just don’t think you put a letter on him. He’s a guy you let lead by play, not by title.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see Kane get the A
as a reminder to him that in Toews’ absence, this is his team to lead.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
i like this as well
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yes it is. Its everyone's but especially the cores' responsibililty to be leaders on the ice and in the lockerroom
and imo, be mentors to the young ones coming in, or as much as they are comfortable being.
Not having a letter doesn’t mean he can sit back and watch
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
not attempting to put words in CNS' mouth..
but I think he means that as the other “face” of this franchise it’s time for Kane to step unto the breach..?
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by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Also true, and I agree with that. I'm just responding to lobster saying its not his team to lead.
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
oh, aye..
sorry, replied to wrong post!
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by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
oh ok haha. I was like what? but had to respond anyway, lol
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
yup
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure why you feel that way
but Kane’s worn it before too.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
They grow up so fast
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 23, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
is it a bit dusty in here or something?
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
aw who knew kaner could look even more tiny
i actually didn’t realize he wore a letter in the regular season, he did in preseason last year if i remember correctly.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
I do to
Hossa is the obvious choice IMO, But I think Kaner is the better choice.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Hossa?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing him
or OD. Madden wore an A during a game or two in 09-10, and that was his only season with the team, so tenure doesn’t necessarily have to eliminate him. Has Hossa ever worn one temporarily here?
by Katherine215 on Jan 23, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'd vote Hossa
However on the veteran side I think Mayers and Bruno would both be good choices. Anyone know if Bruno ever wore it in MN?
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 23, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see Bolly actually being able to talk to the refs.
He’d just glare which he can do without an A.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
by Badgerdano on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bolly has trouble with complete sentences
since the voices in his head are such a distraction.
by Katherine215 on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Floyd/d
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I've missed you!
(wipes manly tear from eye)
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Do we get to call somebody up? Or no. And who would it be? Morin?
Is it ideal? No. Does it suck majorly to be out both Sharp and Toews? Hell yes. To keep my sanity I have to assume/hope they will pull it together for Tuesday and not just roll over and die.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
no they can't
with Smith up, they are at limit I beleive. Also Toews isn’t going IR, as of yet
Why Q, why?!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
that is all that needs to be said about Toews
eep, links in the subject can't be clicked. got to put in the body (just did it here). but yeah that def fits!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Tim Thomas pulls a Dan Hampton.
Refused to go to meet the president.
Seriously, not showing up for the White House as an American-born player does not reflect well on your organization or your character.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 1:40 PM CST reply actions
More alleged grown men acting like petulant children.
What an embarrassment. It’s the White House. Respect it. It’s not about the man in the Oval Office. It’s about the office.
Way to set an example, Timmy.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I just saw someone post that Thomas is planning to explain why 'on Facebook'.
A grown man should not be making grandiose political statements on Facebook.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
This.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
um.. just to throw a slight bit of dissent in here..
while I have my own opinions on what Thomas is doing, in this day and age, if you want to reach the most people reasonably simultaneously… then what would be your media outlet of choice?
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Please do explain how this is a grandiose political statement.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Uh,
TT has admitted he does not care for the Presidents Policies or ideology, and will not attend as a Political protest of them.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
I suppose I should have highlighted grandiose.
Tim Thomas is not the ambassador of China. He’s a goalie for the Boston Bruins.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
If you take the postion that no matter who it is in the Oval Office, that's a legitimate position fairly taken
And if so, to be consistent, I would hope you’d have been expressing equal ire at someone who declined to meet the immediate prior President over some postion/actiopn of the former President.
But one of the great things about American is that Thomas has the freedom to go or not go … and we have the freedom to applaud or denigrate him for his choice.
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
by krome on Jan 23, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
while you’re not saying this, your bit about American freedom paints a picture of a Canadian team winning the cup and having guns pulled on the players if they refused to meet with their P.M. No freedom in Canada.
I don't think that's the case at all
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Social Media
It is the 21st Century, it is the quickest way to get out your words to the masses today. I am not a fan of it in many of the things it does, but to get out your exact thoughts, I see no real issue with.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
He's supposed to release a facebook message tonight
Also saw this: “Chiarelli said he knew of Thomas decision months ago. Also said he won’t be suspended despite skipping team event.”
Couldn't agree more.
Have a little respect. I don’t care who is in the white house he is our president and you support him through thick and thin.
This.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Ya know...
I’m not a fan of the president, however, this is good publicity for the NHL and the sport in the USA. it will be interesting to see what thomas has to say, I hope it’s more than I’m a Republican.
I'm embarrassed for his team.
Speaking apolitically, I just spent a second tour in the Hindu-Kush. All I wanted to do when I came home was to get to the UC for the National Anthem at a ‘Hawks game. I don’t come home to demand special treatment, be feted, or otherwise be treated with any deference.
Tim Thomas, regardless of the reason, is a grown man. The fact that he doesn’t have the ability to hold his tongue long enough to smile and thank the president for a gracious invitation to congratulate a fantastic performance and a Cup win is an embarrassment. A grown man should be able to hold his tongue long enough to say, ‘Thank you, Mr. President. It’s an honor to be here.’ Foreign-born players are in attendance and they’re managing to hold their political opinions in reserve in order to present a responsible, mature appearance for kids that may be watching.
What a joke. Have all real men been declared extinct?
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
It's kinda worse for the Bruins
because they only have a couple of Americans on the team and one of them refuses to meet the president. That says a lot.
For me, it says everything.
Everyone knew Ditka was a hard Republican and he went to the White House, said ‘thank you, Mr. President’, and kept his opinions to himself. Why it is that modern alleged grown men can’t maintain their bearing long enough to present a mature appearance in public is beyond me. Grow the fuck up, Tim.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Hell, when the Hawks went
Huet came over from fucking France to go to the White House. It’s an honor no matter your nationality or political ideology and exceptionally classless of Thomas to pull a stunt like this.
Newsflash Timmy: you weren’t asked there for your political opinions because no one gives a shit how you vote.
by Katherine215 on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
It's almost as if a generation of Americans between the ages of 20 and 50 has lost all ability to mature.
What grown man declares his reasoning on Facebook? I think back to my grandmother and grandfather, the things they did, how they toughed out rough times, how they responded to stress, and I’m embarrassed at how everyone today is bent on declaring personal opinions. Everything is in name of making some grandiose political statement, pursuing fame, or otherwise calling attention to themselves. Maturity is a character trait that is apparently down for maintenance.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
The internet reactions
directed at Billy Cundiff and Kyle Williams go along with this. Sad to see what society has become with the power of a tweet or Facebook post reacting to a damn sporting event.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 23, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
It's an 'I, I, I, me, me, me' society.
Facebook, Twitter… public diaries. Why does anyone care what flavor ice cream you feel like? Why does one feel inspired to post every personal thought in a forum for others to observe and analyze?
This goes with the Thomas discussion. Does Thomas make all of his life decisions through his political lens? Are people like Thomas capable of making basic day-to-day decisions without the infiltration of political motivation? Why suck all the enjoyment out of living in the moment by over-analyzing anything and everything you do so it can be interpreted as being consistent with a specific political philosophy? We’re becoming a society of self-absorbed malcontents who feel entitled to a statement on everything.
Thomas is simply the latest in a long line of self-obsessed snobs who can’t place themselves below an office that should be afforded some respect. It’s not like he’s being asked to donate money to a cause he doesn’t believe in. Grow up, Tim.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You seriously became one of my favorite commenters on SCH today
For what that’s worth
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jan 24, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Remember Jay Cutler last year and the wonderful NFL athletes like Maurice Jones-Drew that questioned his character through twitter? It pathetic really.
Loved Ray Lewis’ comments after that game. Total class act.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Great teammate
and also great pal to have when covering up a murder!
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 23, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
I knew the Germans did it
but I’m surprised Huet fucked France too.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
lol
(it was actually Switzerland he came from, my bad)
by Katherine215 on Jan 23, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
eh, same thing!
(actually in Huet’s case very nearly.. he’s from Grenoble and on a windy day could spit and hit Switzerland)
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't the US invade there
to save some US medical students in the early 1980s? Yeah, I’m pretty sure it was an island back then but evidently now it’s in France.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
by Badgerdano on Jan 23, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's what the US Marines will do for ya!
“Mission accomplished sir! We blew that fuckin’ place from the Caribbean clear into a raised plateau in the South of France. Guess they can go skiing in their spare time”
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
it all becomes clear!
(psst, NN: funny, but it was the Ukraine)
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
You mean the ones
where we all pretended one of our classmates had snapped and had to stay below the edge of the glass in all the doors?
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No
The ones where you hid under your desk for protection from a nuke. Yeah, that’ll work.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
they don't build desks like they used to
those flimsy IKEA things are some Euro-commie plot to kill us when the nukes hit
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
"duck and cover"
in England it was “Protect and Survive”
here’s a Very British Public Information Film
about it..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well that's interesting....
I typed, and the preview showed “You mean the ones where we pretended one of our classmates had lost it, and had to hide below the glass in all the doors?” and some how the above happened…
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Egads....
I’m being trolled by the internet…. It looked like I had double posted only the title.
:sigh:
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
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heh. no.
ah, the joys of living in a “Neutral” Country…
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to FJM the shit out of this
Tim Thomas, regardless of the reason, is a grown man.
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This is correct. Thus, as a grown man and a citizen, he has the right to express himself in any way he chooses.
The fact that he doesn’t have the ability to hold his tongue long enough to smile and thank the president for a gracious invitation to congratulate a fantastic performance and a Cup win is an embarrassment.
Actually, it’s an enactment of the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. If he wants to make a statement, political or not, he’s allowed to.
A grown man should be able to hold his tongue long enough to say, ‘Thank you, Mr. President. It’s an honor to be here.’
You continue to reference “a grown man” … Would it make a difference if he was a child? What if he didn’t feel that it was an honor to be there? Isn’t it more disingenuous to lie?
Foreign-born players are in attendance and they’re managing to hold their political opinions in reserve in order to present a responsible, mature appearance for kids that may be watching.
My guess is that they are there because of the free buffet and the open bar, but hey, what do I know. Their nationalities have little to do with their choice to attend.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
aw, dude..
you’re barking up the wrong tree a wee bit… just because he has a right to do these things (which he surely does) doesn’t mean he should do them…
He’s not been invited as Tim Thomas, he’s been invited as the Goalie of the Stanley Cup winning Boston Bruins.. and that’s who should show up.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
I stand by the guy's decision to express himself
The Bruins were fine with it, even Chiarelli said he had the ability to force him to go and chose not to. If the team is fine with it, then there’s no issue.
You shouldn’t be required to go somewhere that you don’t want to go. Especially when given the choice to do so. Regardless of reason.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
You don't want to see the place where Lincoln-TR-FDR-Ike and Reagan slept…totally up to you.
Gigantic missed opportunity and short sighted – but I agree he is within his rights here. My biggest complaint is that he made Twitter literally unreadable today.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
The fact he may desire to see those things
But passed based on his convictions is pretty stand up by me. To pass up personnel gain or bring on ridicule to stand for you convictions, I have got to respect that. It does not mean I agree, but it does show deep conviction on not just rambling rhetoric.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly how I feel
Thomas is a tea-party guy and a Glenn Beck fan. Again, to avoid political discussion, I’ll just say I’m neither of those things. Still, I respect him for holding true to what he believes.
Albert Pujols can go to hell though. [grumbles about the Cardinals, kicks rock]
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Political ideology aside
I think it’s shitty of him not to go because it takes away what should be attention on the team and puts it on him and his political statement. It’s supposed to be a congratulatory team day from the office, it’s not like it’s a policy making thing.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
the cool thing about the whole episode...
is how much the Bruin players seemed to enjoy their visit. TT’s convictions aside, I’m glad the other guys weren’t too stubborn to have a good time in joining with their teammates in giving the NHL and the Bruins organization some love.
he's getting paid how many millions of dollars to play for that team?
IF the team had told him to go and he said no, that’s one thing. As it is, I just lose all respect I had for a guy. Didn’t know he was a R.
I hope it was because he didn't go, not because you didn't know he was a (R)
But in line with the no political talk here, I’ll refrain from going further.
/stick puck in mouth
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Is it because he is an (R) (actually more like an (L))
Or is it because he did not go?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
An R?
A Red? Rapist? Racoon? Reindeer? Rappeller? Rapper? Runt? Runner?
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Did someone say Red?
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Komra- er, Cousin Yuri is not Red! He is Red, White AND Blue! Yuri love America! Is greatest place in world! Where else can Yuri find drive-thru vodka store at 3 in morning and then go buy firework?
Reindeer make good substitute for goat when in pinch for making stew. Is tough meat but much flavor. Like old shoe but with good brine. Not BMW 5-series of meats, more like Volkswagen Jetta.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
way to go!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta steer away from the politics at any chance
Cousin Yuri is the perfect way to do that. I’m glad he’s caught on around here. I may go as him for Halloween next year. Just gotta get Bob Sacamano’s number from Kramer so I can get one of those cheap Russian hats.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
also practice
drinking a bottle of vodka in three swallows (I know, it’ll be tough but these are sacrifices you must make for your art)
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Also, if you're not following S Horcov on Twitter
You’re missing out. Is inspiration for Cousin Yuri. See here.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I am now!
thanks!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
It really might be the only thing the Oilers have going for them right now.
My recent favorite:
SHorcov S Horcov
Under Stalin when 5 year plan fail you were dead. But Oilers are like under Breshznev. You fail, its ok if you are Kommissar. #new5yearplan
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
By far the funniest refusal to meet a President - James Harrison
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4174143
Harrison doesn’t believe the invitation is all that special, saying if the Steelers hadn’t beaten the Cardinals 27-23 with a last-minute rally, “He [Obama] would have invited Arizona.”
I don’t much care for the President, but I don’t see how anyone who is even remotely interested in history could turn down a visit to the White House.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
This.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
non-hockey..
but William Faulkner turned down an invite to dinner with JFK at the White House saying"it’s too far to go and I’m too tired"..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
from the great Martin Mull jazz album "I'm everyone I've ever loved..."
“So tell who’s ever in the White House,
That Martin is jumping off the boat,
Because i’m too clean to read the papers, the ink get son my fingers,
And I’m to bored to vote.
Tell who’s ever in the white House,
In your JC Penny suit and tie.
drop your JC Penny pants, your biggest bomb,
it’s all the same thing when your high”
I have no issue with this.
The Bruins let him make the decision, and this is what he chose. If it had been a mandated team event, I would say otherwise, but the Bruins let him make this choice.
I think he understands what this would do to his reputation either good or bad, and to take a personnel stance in spite of the most likely backlash he will and is receiving, I find somewhat commendable, that he places somethings at a higher value then sports or even his own spotlight to make a self described political statement.
He is NOT the first athlete to do this, nor will he be the last. I for one respect people more when they put their principles first and self-gain or self-interests second.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
This isn't putting him further in the spotlight?
by Katherine215 on Jan 23, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
In the spotlight for sure
But being in the spotlight is not always a good thing, and this one will lose him many fans I believe. Though it may make him more popular with some, I think the negative will outweigh it, and he knows it.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
I guess my problem
is athletes using their fame to make a political point in a non-political situation. If Tim Thomas or some other athlete wants to stump for their candidate of choice, good for them. The more involvement in elections, the better.
But this isn’t a political situation – meeting the president is one of the highest honors a civilian can receive and I find it distasteful that politics is being brought into sports.
by Katherine215 on Jan 23, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
I find it completely acceptable to use this instance to take a political stand.
How many opportunities will he have to avoid POTUS like this?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
it's not about whoever the president is at the time
it’s about what the office represents
Let's Go Hawks!
And in his view
He is protesting what it now represents or his perceived lack of respect for it by the occupier.
This can go on and on ind circles. Let’s Palomino this one?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
yup
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
I fear for my lunch money..
but this is the wrong place to make a political statement.. he’s been invited to the White House as a member of a successful sports team, not as a private citizen.. and he should have smiled at the photo opps, the way he does many, many times.. and gotten on with it. No one doubts that he has a right to not go, but it’s not right either.. for example, we have Political jibber-jabber going on here again tonight.. and it shouldn’t be a time for that.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Way back when
When Dennis Kucinich was the mayor of Cleveland, and his brother was arrested for robbing a bank, and the Cuyahoga river did catch on fire………. First Lady Betty Ford made a visti to the city. However, the mayor’s wife declined to attend an event with her. The reason? It interfered with her bowling night.
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
that makes a whole pile of sense
for various reasons..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
As I said it can go in circles
He is a US Citizen first.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
Why not just attend for his team and then make a press release/facebook message after
so he doesn’t shit all over his team’s day?
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I already commented on this above,
I’m all for a full Palomino before the ToS brings us into the principles office!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
I've been watching
and am very happy the convo never got out of control, but I do agree that we should probably stop it here before something is said that shouldn’t be.
SCH moderator. I'm the nice one. Really, I am. (you can quit laughing now)
Nobody seems to be getting excited
and it seems like everyone is keeping policy entirely out of it.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Whoopsie
Hit enter too early.
Anyway, what I mean is, I could be taking the other side of the “argument” from someone I actually agree with policy-wise. That’s really really cool to me, and I think it’s healthy discussion (as long as policy stays the hell out of it.)
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
At this point
It is only a matter of short time before policy does enter into it. I think everyone knows where the other stands, next up will be more the why or should, then the can he. At that point, it is all downhill like the Wild!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
my wee brother
would take exception to that! (he IS a Wild fan, after all!)
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
The only reason I really let it go on so long is that it was hockey related
but since normally we keep politics out of SCH it should probably stop. Like I said it was nice to see rational arguments on the subject prevail.
SCH moderator. I'm the nice one. Really, I am. (you can quit laughing now)
Aww.
Alrighty, but I appreciated your input :)
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
So...+
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 23, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Dammit. What I meant to type was...
So…shall we talk religion next?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 23, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
this
nice work, everyone, keeping it clean.. but better it ends here..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Office
of Professed Rules of Action and Conduct…. Sounds serious.
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Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
POTUS
is the duly elected leader of our country. If he was avoiding a candidate, that would be one thing. But, he is dissing democracy. That disses all of us.
I know this has already been palaminoed, but I couldn't resist
By him taking his stance and voicing his opinion, isn’t that what democracy is all about?
I’m not supporting his decision, but I do support his right to make it.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 23, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
It's what
I’ve always said about/to any protesters we’ve had outside our base.
I do my job so they have the freedom to revile me for doing it.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
Thomas's statement
is up here on PD – I’m not linking to facebook!
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
saw it...
thought what I thought of it.. but we’ve called Palomino on this..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's the only American born player...
on the Bruins, too.
Steven Kampfer, but really who?
Now they have Chicago’s own female beating Joe Corvo too, but he didn’t play on the Cup team.
President refers to Marchand as
The Little Ball of Hate"
I think Bollie has filed a copyright infringement complaint.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
no! was it amazing?
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Uh.
I see Philadelphia and Boston sweaters and my hate is confused.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Jan 23, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
it took me a while to find him haha,
but damn he really swung hard!
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
getting hit edgewise by the blocker hurts too
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
yikes, in the confusion of the huddle i didn't even realize he had it on!
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
oh dear.
how unfortunate for him.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
i can't even tell - did he get seguin?
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
duh, girlphoenix totally said who he hit
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 4:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
quit trolling yourself!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Twas a rowdy game in Philly yesterday
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 23, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
every time boston plays
it seems to get rowdy. guess my EYEs do work after all.
http://www.hockeyfights.com/leaders/teams/
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 23, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
It was a great game yesterday, the only Flyers game this year more entertaining than the game with the Hawks. Completely different character – nasty, brutish. Bryzgalov took that swing at Marchand, Schenn leveled somebody and got into a fight a few seconds later, Sestito went after Lucic and targeted Chara with hits. We dressed eight rookies and were missing Briere, JvR, Jagr and of course Pronger so we had room for a couple of our goons. If ever a game should have ended in a tie…..
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 23, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Got my kids and wife out on the ice in backyard yesterday
First time for all of them on ice skates, and they all quickly realized skating is not as easy as it looks on TV! My son’s statement was, “How do those guys do all that stuff while playing hockey? Skating is tuff”! But hey, he had a blast!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 3:11 PM CST reply actions
Despite no Hawks making it again
Hockey Hugs is back! and my other new favorite site One Sad Hockey Player about the player left out of the hugs
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seriously! even the "its ok bro" hug didn't make it!
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
anyone have that jumpy-spinny hug gif
from last season after they scored on a breakaway? I don’t remember which game it was, but I know Sam or whoever wrote the wrap thought it was terrible to do since they lost the game.
by Katherine215 on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well the spinny hug was against the oilers - I have a crappy gif of it where you can see them spin in the distance
The game where they basically jumped at each other and hugged mid-air I can’t remember where it was, except yeah whoever did the recap was really annoyed about it. I’ll have to find it, that was cute also.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
oops, I think I'm combining the two in my head
by Katherine215 on Jan 23, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I actually found!
But was searching covertly at work and then my computer froze so I don’t know who it was against. I’ll have to check when I get home.
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
here we go
Jumping hug against CBJ
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
notice Tazer
switching straight back into “Serious Mode” after a brief moment of “Almost Human” emotion..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
your welcome!
yes they are both adorable <3
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by justforkicks on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
I'm waiting for the day Bolland gets in there..
followed the next day by lurid newspaper headlines featuring the words “chainsaw”, “entire petting zoo” and “three hundred gallons of cold spaghetti”
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget the hundred pounds of lye
Dave Bolland really is like our Michael Clayton, isn’t he?
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Bolland doesn't dissolve the corpses
of his “Camp-Buddies”.. he prefers to arrange them in amusing tableaux..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
so repeat offender didn't factor into his hit?
SCH moderator. I'm the nice one. Really, I am. (you can quit laughing now)
His 4 previous disciplines did though
Shanny cites 2 suspension and 2 fines as being a factor.
After seeing this a few times, 3 may be a bit much, but not overly harsh. I would have guessed 1-2.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
and, forgive me if I'm wrong..
this is the first “Superstar” to come before the Shanahammer.. and he got hit. Score one for B.S.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
I can't agree with it
Especially after Michalek got off. Put Ovie in the box to start the next game for 2 minutes and call it even. Feels like the Caps got jobbed here.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
doesn't Ovie have more of a history of moves like this then his record indicates?
And no disagree with you completely. He left his feet. The fact that Michalek was lucky enough to not get injured on the play should not absolve Ovie of what he did.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
he's known for some knee on knee hits too
SCH moderator. I'm the nice one. Really, I am. (you can quit laughing now)
Definitely has a history of questionable hits
This one should have drawn an in-game penalty but I don’t think it was suspension worthy.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
See hit a Brian Campbell in March 2010
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
Had an up close and personal view at that one
Was a section over and 6 rows up for it. In person, it looked horrendous. After seeing the replays, it’s one of those hits I define as reckless. Don’t think he intended to hurt Campbell but he definitely could have gone about that differently. It was a stupid play on his part.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
He LEFT HIS FEET to make that hit
and Michalek’s head got driven into the glass. He is damn lucky that he isn’t concussed (as far as we know). And sorry, I’m not yelling in the title, I just wanted to emphasize but I don’t think we can italicize in the subject?
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
He had no reason to leave his feet
If he goes in on his feet, it’s a solid body check. Leaving his feet resulted in direct impact to the head. Michalek was real lucky not to get a trip to the quiet room.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 23, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
This is where my opinion falls too.
Jumping shoulder to the dome for no reason after the puck is gone is real shitty. Just finish your check clean.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
and he had more then enough time to make the hit clean
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
bad hit… and a ban for it.. I’m pleased with Shanahan
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
I still feel like he's made (or not made calls) that I don't agree with
but good on him for this one
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
Here's the vid
here.
Well they called it a charging where recklessly connects with his head from launching from his feet. They noted he’s been suspended and fined 4 times for stuff like this, but Michalek remained in the game with no apparent injury, and so they decided to go with 3.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
I still hate that injury factors into it
The guy could have seriously been injured, he’s just very lucky that he wasn’t.
SCH moderator. I'm the nice one. Really, I am. (you can quit laughing now)
Yeah agree completely.
I feel like they should make the call based on the hit. And if someone was injured tack more time on if necessary. But lack of injury should not be used to call a punishment down.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, agree..
a Dirty Play is a Dirty Play.. the fact that the victim was lucky enough not to be hurt shouldn’t count..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
David Steckel would still be serving a suspension if these rules were in place last year
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand your comment?
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Factor injury in
Crosby got semi-Johnsson’d. Steckel would still be serving a suspension.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think anyone is a proponent of punishing a player the length of time of the player he injured
what we’re saying is: a player NOT being injured shouldn’t lessen the suspension of a player who did something really dirty. I’m adding, if a player does something dirty (and especially if they have a record of it) I wouldn’t mind a game or two added to their sentence.
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
I mean you drill someone into the boards that way, and you get LUCKY that they don't break their neck or concussed
you shouldn’t get a reward for that by being penalized less. you still did something really dangerous
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by justforkicks on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
semi-killed? :p
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Jan 23, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Crosby also got hit by Hedmen the next game.
Who’s to say that his injury was only caused by Steckel and not solely by Hedmen or maybe both of them?
So somebody analyzed ESPN's coverage of things from Jan 7th - 18th
Total time: 759.5 minutes
Time (minus commercials): 560 minutes
TIME DEVOTED TO INDIVIDUAL SPORTS
NFL: 225.5 minutes (40.2%)
NBA: 106.5 (19%)
College basketball: 76 (13.6%)
College football: 55 (9.8%)
MLB: 16.75 (2.9%)
NHL: 13.5 (2.4%)
Other sports: 18 (3.2%)
SportsCenter staples (things like the “Top 10,” “Encore,” “What 2 Watch 4,” etc.): 48.75 (8.7%)
That’s right, a sport not currently in season got more coverage than the NHL. Quality reporting right there. Source.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM CST reply actions
FUCK the Eastern Sports Promotion Network
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
But, but,
there’s SO much more going on in baseball right now than the active season of hockey.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
I say again
FUCK ESPN!!!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup yup.
I couldn’t believe how many people were upset that NBC/Comcast got the contract over ESPN. Like they give a flying fuck about hockey.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Surely
You understand the law of supply and demand.
While hockey fans may find this annoying, I fail to see how ESPN is responsible for this state of affairs.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jan 23, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
My kids watch iCarly
I think Tebow is the neighbor dude on that show
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
I feel bad for Bucci, Levy and Linda Cohn
Actual hockey fans that are passionate about the game and don’t get to work on television with it. Bucci’s video blog is great.
I won’t complain about the actual airing of content though. I’ve got NHL Network and NBCSN for my hockey needs. ESPN can get my Nielson numbers for live games in the NFL and MLB.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
Folks do though. Had one as a kid. I like to think I am personally responsible for the cartoon Doug having immense popularity in the early 1990s.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 23, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck yeah, Doug.
For awhile there I thought the Beets were a real band.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Which is the better outcome in Scum vs Blues?
Meteor is not an option
Anything not involving OT.
I personally hate SCUM less than the Blues.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Scum.
I haven’t watched the Hawks for more than a few years, but whenever I see them play the Blues there’s far more dickbaggery going on. Blues can suck it.
by tekeetakshak on Jan 23, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Would an acceptable answer be...
a Tomahawk cruise missle?
"Make the bastard chase you, he will follow."
by RaoulDuke27 on Jan 24, 2012 1:25 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Backes showing "leadership" again
Two nasty crosschecks to Franzen
Backes going after Howard
Leadership!
Wise men say: "Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza"
It is halfway through the season
aren’t they due their Iceberg hit yet?
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
You can see it happening
Things don’t go well and they just lose their shit; tonight is hardly the first time this season that this happened.
Need the trend over one game against a better opponent
Because they’re still up further than we are.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
I sure hope Toews is watching
andwatching and taking notes.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
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