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Life WIthout Car Bomb, Kruger

Um dude, it's not supposed to go that way.

While no official word has been handed down and won't be until tomorrow, I think most of us have come to the conclusion that Dan Carcillo being seen in an Indian Head this year, or probably ever again, is not something to be expected. That sure looked nasty, and I think the best possible scenario is still a couple months -- once you add sprain and suspension (makes a fine martini, that).

So a couple things are on my mind. I have no idea how big of a loss this is. One the one had, it's a top six forward that just went down. On the other, Carcillo wasn't really a top six forward. He just happened to be playing there, occasionally well and occasionally not, and mostly in the middle. Car Bomb wasn't here to be a scorer, but to provide that beloved sandpaper. I don't actually know how much of that he was providing. There were a few games where he was noticeable physically, but there were also a few where he wasn't.

Where I land is that Carcillo still kind of seems like the 12th forward on this team, and the way things kicked he ended up shoehorned on the top six. But what worries is me is who is going to provide what Carcillo was brought here for and the Hawks still don't have enough of, and that's jam and forechecking? Nothing we've seen from the Rockford Conga Line has been that. Morin tries to be physical, but he won't be useful until he finds his scoring touch. Brandon Pirri? Certainly not. Jimmy Hayes has probably warranted a game or two more, but I'm not sitting on a hot stove waiting for that to work out. The idea of Ben Smith would fill this role, but the idea of reality of Ben Smith this year are at such a distance it requires a fuckload of postage to between the two. Andrew Shaw is awfully small. The Hawks think so much of Brett McLean they let him go to the Spengler Cup, and Brandon Segal isn't even a question, much less the answer to a question anyone's asking.

Do we have to add something else to the shopping list now?

-More worrying to me is the news that Q delivered today, which is "Marcus Kruger isn't doing well." Well no fucking shit? You mean a guy who never missed a shift after getting hit in the head repeatedly after he was rushed back from a concussion isn't doing well? The world makes no sense!

The Fifth Feather touched on it last night, and to me it's far more serious of an issue than anyone else is making it. I heard the same Barry Rozner story on The Score on Friday that they did. Whatever I may think of Rozner (and actually I think he's been pretty spot on recently now that he doesn't have Tallon or Campbell to bitch about), he's been around long enough to have sources within the organization. So when he says that some within that organization think Dave Bolland jaked it a bit with his head injury, it can't be outright dismissed.

Combine that with both Marcus Kruger and Brent Seabrook barely missing any time after taking blows to the head -- Seabrook doing so on a couple occasions -- and I'm getting close to horrified at how the Hawks are handling the main issue of the game today.

I would not be surprised if we've seen the last of Marcus Kruger this year. Would it have been different if he had been checked out right after Rick Nash punched him in the head? Would it have been different if he'd been held out for more games? These are questions that have to be asked, because something stinks.

On the ground, the Hawks are now without a second line center again, and I think we know that Patrick Kane isn't the answer. In my fantasy world, someone would tell Patrick Sharp to shut the fuck up, take his rediscovered two-way game and superb faceoff percentage back to the middle. Because it's going to be a hell of a lot easier to find another winger than another center. But that's not going to happen either.

And the Hawks very well may have created that gap for themselves.

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Though I have no way of knowing what was going on re: Kruger’s transparency with trainers and other outlying factors, this is a worrisome trend, and really sucks for the kid. How bad does it have to get before even the old school realizes that you don’t play with head injuries?
Also, trade coming perhaps? I honestly just want speculation.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

Trade is coming, I think..

who for what i do not know.. but if it’s not going to be picks.. could be large?

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd wager that there will be a trade

but the question is, who with? Has to be a team that’s given up on this season and that narrows the field a lot.

Though neither the Ducks nor the Canadiens have seen things improve any under their new coaches (an understatement), so there’s two starting places right there. e.g. I still have daydreams about Bobby Ryan flying around in the white/red sweater…

by Paul the Fossil on Jan 3, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on that, of course one would have to hope that he's not married to the number 9...

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by FrankStallone on Jan 3, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

He already stole it from Paul Kariya, lol.

by light_the_lamp on Jan 3, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The team that just beat us is where I'd start

Just as they did with Dustin Penner, the Edmonton media has already moved Ales Hemsky’s car to long term parking right next to Adriana La Cerva’s. He’ll be moved for a cheaper price tag than some other top 6 fillers, and soon. While we’re rummaging through Steve Tambellini’s hamper, Ladistav Smid might be an answer to our 6th defenceman problem as well. However, with Gilbert out and the already shallow blue line in Edmonton, that one is a bit more of a reach.

Still, Tambo hasn’t exactly been the hardest guy to swindle in recent years. Look at what he got for Penner last year. Filling a top 6 hole and a 6th defenceman spot for a pick and player(s) and from one team to boot sounds rather efficient. It only leaves us with replacing the bottom 6 hole opened up by Carcillo’s imminent departure.

You want speculation, there it is. It’s got historical precedent to fuel it as well.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 3, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

2 years, 2.25M

Nothing we couldn’t handle. The next year of his contract is more than made up by the departures of Carcillo, Odie, Scott and Lepisto hits that are bound to come off after this year.

Furthermore, that bottom 6 hole Carcillo leaves is probably filled by the auditioning Icehogs. Morin, Smith, Hayes… whoever. It’s a bottom 6 forward spot.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 3, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

$512K or whatever isn't that big a deal

If he’s attached to Fluffy being our 7/8 D man, then fine. $2.25M for a 25 year old defenceman that can make our 3rd pairing skate more than 5-10 minutes a night is palatable. He’s only got one year left. It doesn’t hamstring us this year because the cap hits for us would only be what’s remaining. As for next year, they can keep Smid at the $2.25M and Hemsky walks.

Ales Hemsky sure would look good next to Kane and Toews or Sharp and Hossa.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 3, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as Hemsky is trending healthier

And if he is, wouldn’t Edmonton want to keep him around to compliment the kids?

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 3, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Not according to that Copper and Blue post

He’ll get moved at the deadline or before it. Smid, on the other hand, is much less likely. I’m merely speculating with him. Hemsky is a real, live target that I hope Stan Bowman is talking to Steve Tambellini about over some Timbits.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 3, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

From What I remember

SB inquired about Smid last season and they wanted Leddy in exchange. May be wrong but it sticks in my mind for some reason.

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by Tuke on Jan 3, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately it doesn't matter how Stan views him.

For all we know that’s what he had in mind when he signed him. It’s all about how Q sees him. Of course the money isn’t a big deal, its the roster spot that’s a big deal. Him being on this team another season in unfuckingacceptable.

BTW I’m all about Smid. He’s the guy I wanted last season at the deadline. I just don’t know why Edmonton would want to move him this season.

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by HjammerTime on Jan 3, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

what about run?

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Is there any documented evidence he could move that fast?

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 3, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

ha!

maybe if he saw a picture of Westgarth making bad smells in a hotel room..

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

This also implies that another team would want him.

Is there one who would? I can’t imagine it.

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by Preacher000 on Jan 3, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

That makes no difference

As Scott is UFA at the end of the season and the discussion is about whether or (hopefully) not Stan re-signs him

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by FrankStallone on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

During one of our slumps

Someone posted a fanpost on FTF speculating what it would take to get Bobby Ryan in Teal.

The most realistic offer came from Matt Taylor, one of the main blogfathers:

Freddie Hamilton, Benn Ferriero, Justin Braun and a 1st.

This was, for us, our top Forward prospect, a Forward prospect who’s had some time with the big club and can probably play the NHL game but doesn’t fit in our top 6, an exciting puck moving D-man who can play the NHL game but needs to shore up his defensive game, and the 1st, which will be a low pick.

So you’re probably looking at the best 2 kids from the Rockford Conga Line, a young D-man, and a pick.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 3, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

That's pretty much exactly what I proposed (from the 'Hawks) when we had the same discussion here

a few weeks back when Ryan was supposedly on the trading block before the coaching change – 3 of the ‘Hawks best prospects and a 1st. While I’m sure many would disagree and say it’s giving up way too much, if I’m Stan Bowman I call up Bob Murray and see if he’s willing to give me Bobby Ryan for ANY 3 of our prospects (minus Brandon Saad, but the rest are fair game IMO) and we’ll toss in our 2012 1st rounder on top

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by FrankStallone on Jan 3, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Murray will let Ryan walk

for prospects and picks.. and i don’t think he’s interested in Sami or Scott.. it’d be a Leddy and prosepects/ picks, I think..

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Likely true

But if you let Ryan walk, thereby opening a huge gaping hole in your top 6 (heck, your top 3 even), knowing that you’re not going to get equal value in return, I don’t know that it makes a big deal that you get a roster player for the immediate season at hand in return.

The Ducks probably can’t even accept anyone nearing Ryan’s level in return, because it’d blow their internal cap, and anyone they’d get at that level would make more money than Getzlaf and Perry, which hurts their negotiating position with anyone else.

Leddy, I could see him being interested in, but I think, if he lets Ryan go, prospects and pics are entirely what he realistically expects.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 3, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Leddy is basically Bowman's child

He isn’t going anywhere. We can dismiss that thought right away.

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by HjammerTime on Jan 3, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry, should have been clearer

didn’t neccesarily mean a D-man.. or Leddy (hence the ‘a Leddy’ bit).. what I mean is I think, considering the sort of interest Ryan would garner it would be an up and coming, non-core Hawk..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd file for joint custody of Leddy along side Bowman

If that kid gets moved, I’m not going to be a happy human.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 3, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

THIS

"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"

by Joe Banks on Jan 3, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I know we have needs, but no way I give up that much for anyone given we’re first in the West halfway through the season.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah let's not panic when we're in first place

I know they have a tough second – half schedule, but behaving in that manner is organizational suicide. Deal from a position of strength, which is exactly where the Hawks find themselves in right now, regardless of our recent lamentations.

by Waylon on Jan 3, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

If you are able to make that deal

Without giving up a roster player, given the age of your core, are you still disinclined to make the trade? I know it’s a lot of prospects, but, you’re hardly in need of prospects with Kane, Toews and Sharp all around for the forseeable future, right?

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 3, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

There’s no way I’d make that trade considering where we are right now, even though I think we need to address some things if we’re legitimately going to challenge for a conference title. Our three best prospects and a 1st rounder? That is one helluva lot for Bobby Ryan—a great player, no doubt, but my sense of things is that we can mend our holes with far less than Ryan, so I wouldn’t even consider the trade if it took that much.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Incidentally, I also don’t think anyone in the league would give up that much for him.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, and..

word on the hearing for Carcillogen

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM CST reply actions  

Being suspended immediatley pending a hearing

this never ends up being anything less than a complete ass fucking!

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

which he deserves, right?

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

a note on the 5-10 scale, methinks?

laaarmer/d

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

you think?

that would involve “Making An Example Of Him”.. yeah?

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

No just adding 5+10

I come up with 15. Who knows what Shanny will do.

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by laaarmer on Jan 3, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Most likely

it will be square root of apple.

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 3, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take the middle road and say 8-12.

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by Preacher000 on Jan 3, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking 8 (a tenth of a season) or 10 (nice round big number)

and it is entirely deserved for that hit with his record

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by krome on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah!

I sees!

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Last night I figured 10

No worries, this was the plan all along!

by Tuke on Jan 3, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

the bigger issue

will be replacing Krugs. I didn’t miss Carcillo much when he was out in earlier stints.

While I’m aware that many here are high on Pirri, I’m not. His size is a disadvantage for this particular team, nor do I think his upside is that great.

Regarding Kane at center: I can live with it. I don’t think the team is any better off with Sharp at center to be honest I don’t mind Sharp having less overall control of the puck.

by aeroplane on Jan 3, 2012 2:17 PM CST reply actions  

The 'Hawks need 1 more top-6 forward

But they needed one before Carcillo went down because he’s not really a top-6 guy in the first place. With Kruger out for the foreseeable future a center would certainly be nice, but given that Kane and/or Sharp can more than capably fill that position and given how much harder and thus more expensive it would likely be to acquire a center than a winger, the ’Hawks would be fools to limit their search for trades

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by FrankStallone on Jan 3, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

good points

agree and I’m sure that’s how the organization will approach the situation.

by aeroplane on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

do they need 1 more top 6 forward, or two?

depends on two things:

-Is Kane a right winger or a center?
-Is Viktor Stalberg a top six guy?

If Kane ends up skating on the wing for the bulk of the rest of the regular season, then you have a hole at 2C and at 1LW.

If Kane is the answer at center, then you need a top six LW and a top six RW.

If Vik takes one of those wing spots, then we either have a hole on the third line or we’re pushing our chips in with Bickell-Bolland-Fro.

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by Hack on Jan 3, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

what would be easiest to fill (or what would be most useful to the team and being successful)

2 top 6 players, 1 top 6 and 1 3rd pairing dman, or 2 top 6 and 1 3rd pairing dman? Are there people that you’d want that would fit under our cap?

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

getting Ruutu and Gleason

from Carolina would probably be a good start. They’d fit under the cap for the remainder of the year, and they’re both free agents after this season.

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by Hack on Jan 3, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I reckon maybe a couple of rentals.. (and maybe one biggie?) but in terms of rentals we could do a whole lot worse..

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Sad game...

Hawks were uninspired against the Oils.
Hawks were beat on the board battles, especially below the goal line (is that the word on us around the league now?)
Oils were much quicker in transition.
Crow looked very soft on goals 2 and 4. (start Razor @ Philly give Crow another shot Friday)
I really wish goaltending weren’t a concern at this point, but it is. Come playoff time the team with lights-out goaltending is going far and that isn’t us right now.
I’d like to see the power play get going.
Kaner needs to show up in the goals column some time soon.
Hopefully this game was just a blip on the radar.
Let’s get back on track and stockpile some points in January!

by NumbersGuy on Jan 3, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

It’d be nice if our “sniper” could crack 10 goals sometime soon.

by Ban on Jan 3, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Do we need a goalie? Or do we need a goalie!

Crawford sucked last night and even the resent wins were if’’y. By by carbomb, maybe trade him and one goalie for I don’t no maybe a power forward. With a little more size we can gain the zone on a P.P shoot in and bang the puck out of the corner. Maybe get a dirty goal or 2 not always the pretty play.. there are lots out there if you look, I’ll name a few, Taylor Pyatt, Sharp would like that! Chimera, probably love to get out of Wash..Cole Montreal, they would trade him he’s not french..Legwand out of Nash, Umberger Columbus? lots of guys that need a team to play with, Bobby Ryan would be nice but unlikely.. lots of teams need a goalie. sooner the better I say.

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by John Maydo on Jan 3, 2012 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

That got me laughing.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Grammar and Spelling much?

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by DesertHawk on Jan 3, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

more like 'not at all..'

still convinced this is some sort of brilliant spoof..

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

How about this kind of craziness?????

Crawford, Danault, Paradis and this year’s #1 (i.e. all things Quebec) for Price and Subban? Any way to make something like that work?

by NiemiNation on Jan 3, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

it's so crazy it might work..

not really. Even Gaulthier isn’t that nuts… is he? And can Crow speak French?

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

He is from Montreal... so... maybe?

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by DesertHawk on Jan 3, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

c'est tres vrai!

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

oui!

et aussi

LA LANGUE MEATHEAD EST INTERDITE DANS LE FORUM DE SCH!!

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

ton langue! Mademoiselle!

Je suis surpris!

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

JEAN-JACQUES TABARNAC!!

One of my all-time favorite Canadiens.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 3, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

is he Mormon?

and are you in his choir?

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by krome on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, my opinion would only be a guess

But every “English” person I ever met from Montreal could speak (at worst) passable conversational French.

You are next.

by M7 on Jan 4, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

unless montreal has soured on Subban

that’s not even close to enough.

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by Hack on Jan 3, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, he did fight a teammate in practice today.

He was pretty invisible here a few weeks ago, but was great for MTL in the game we played him in last year.

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by HjammerTime on Jan 3, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah those are the two most popular players this team has

You would need a Kane/Toews (yes I put them on a comparable level) to get those two. Plus other players.

by LavalPhantom on Jan 3, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

not to mention

that considering age, pedigree, and this year’s stats, MTL would view Crow as a significant downgrade from Price.

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by Hack on Jan 3, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Just trying to find something on the rosters of Montreal, Buffalo, Carolina, Islanders, or Tampa that would fit both sides. Hadn’t realized that Price had exorcised the demons of being thought of as an ok goalie in the Forum/ Bell Centre.

by NiemiNation on Jan 3, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I get the popularity of Subban, but they have been trying to run Price out of town for 3 years. I thought that a Montreal boy in Crawford would be just the ticket, and a whole hell of a lot cheaper. So that leaves Danault, Paradis and a #1 for Subban. If that isn’t close, I’d throw in anyone else that they would want from Rockford. But seriously, The Habs need to rebuild and your are essentially getting 3 #1’s for Subban.

by NiemiNation on Jan 3, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I would eat a baby to get Carey Price here.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Really.

They had to pick between Price and Halak and Gauthier made the very unpopular choice (at the time) to go with Price. He was the team’s best player last year and this year as well until a few weeks ago. He’s still viewed as the foundation of the futur of that team (Subban being a close 2nd). No way they are moving BOTH for anything less than Kane or Toews plus something.

by LavalPhantom on Jan 3, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

One of the few good moves Gauthier has made. I was among the crowd that thought he was batshit crazy for sending Halak out, but he was bang on.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

no way

that would be the worst trade in Montreal’s history but I’d feel a better for Price in Chicago.

by aeroplane on Jan 3, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Marcus Kruger

Is the most important thing addressed in this little roundup to me. If he’s out, and it sounds bad right now, for extended periods of time… we’re fucked down the middle. Sharp is probably best suited to fill that spot but that takes away something from our arsenal by moving him back to center. I’m with Sam in thinking that the Pat Kane at center thing is hopefully shelved for now. It was a nice thought, and worked out in the beginning of the season, but I want no part of it any longer.

And stop with the Bobby Ryan pipedreams, folks. You’re just setting yourselves up to be disappointed.

by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 3, 2012 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

or in other words

“NOT THE SECOND-LINE CENTER DEBATE AGAIN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!! Would someone PLEASE think of the children”

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

well at least we are beating the dead horse with something new

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

is it a Knout

made of Johnsson’s skin? On the subject of ‘Dead’…

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought I saw Jonsson on the last "Walking Dead" episode

he was in the barn…with Sophie and all

Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.

by krome on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

i think kane at center could work fine, especially with hossa at his wing. him at center isn't ideal

but i don’t think its the travesty others do.

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Oddly

many complained at the beginning of the season that we had no real use for Kruger or Carcillo. Now we’re lamenting their loss (understanding that part of the lamentation re Krugs is that he seems like a good guy with a bad injury). If a team can’t sustain itself when two bottom-6 guys go down, it has no business pretending to be a contender.

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by 334Rules on Jan 3, 2012 2:55 PM CST reply actions  

it's strange...

but I had penciled in Krugs from the end of last season as a starting center but I never cared much for Carcillo. So I’m with you halfway on this one. If anything, it should give the young peeps in the organization some NHL experience, which I don’t mind at this juncture of the season.

Completely agree with you that Carbomb and Kruge missing time shouldn’t put a dent in our quest for bigger, shinier things. I want bigger, shinier things.

by aeroplane on Jan 3, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember people not having a solid feel for what Kruger would bring, not that he was of no use. As to Carcillo, some of us haven’t wavered much there.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone have a link

To Nash hitting Kruger in the back of the head?

Either I missed that game or just missed what happen. I’ve seen/heard it referenced so many times but I don’t have any idea about it.

Never Die Easy.

by DMelt36 on Jan 3, 2012 3:46 PM CST reply actions  

I don't

but according to the lights of some folk on this blog, that was a good clean hockey hit..

excuse me while I throw up..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Come on! You namby pamby

This game is all about hitting and fighting.

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 3, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

shit!

I knew I knew nothing about it! There I was distracted by these wimpy guys passing this lump of rubber around and occasionally shooting it in the net… I feel like a fool..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Please

Clean? Hardly. Nash was assessed a roughing penalty, after all.

Was the punch a devastating haymaker? Hardly. Watching the punch on slow-mo shows it to be more of a glancing blow. But if one’s head is already a snow globe…

The “incident” is a moot point because Kruger shouldn’t have been playing at all if his condition was that unstable.

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by Second City Southpaw on Jan 3, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

furry muff.

but it was a cheap shot regardless.. but I think this one done got debated already.. sorry for reopening old bottles (hic) i mean ‘battles’

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Post-concussed Toews is...


…but only because my head is still spinning since that hit Willie Mitchell put on me.
You can tell how it’s affected me by my point totals.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 3, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sorry for being slow today but what exactly is the point that's being made...

…about Bolland? That his concussion wasn’t as bad as he made it out to be? If so, what has lead people within the organization to feel that way and what does that say about Bolly’s overall approach to the game?

by bluekoolaide on Jan 3, 2012 4:20 PM CST reply actions  

I think they're saying

that some members of the organization thought Bolland took to long to recover from his concussion, and that those Hawks people felt he should have just sucked it up and told them he was ok even if he wasn’t so he could get back on the ice sooner. Sort of a, “Toughen up, you’re a hockey player” mentality, rather than a, “take as long as you need, your health is our main concern” approach. And then the question arises of whether or not the same approach was taken with Seabss and Kruger’s head hits this season.

by Katherine215 on Jan 3, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

So it's really a criticism of the Hawks' organizational approach

Gotcha. Now it makes sense to me. Although it doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence regarding the people in charge.

by bluekoolaide on Jan 3, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, that is a much more succinct way of putting it, haha.

It’s not known who the sources were or what level they were at in the organization though, so they may not necessarily be in charge.

I personally think they’ve been a bit sketchy with their treatment of Kruger and am on the fence about Seabs so I’m just taking it with a little salt for now.

by Katherine215 on Jan 3, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, I was thinking of earlier this year.

I definitely think they rushed him back in the playoffs. You could see it in how he played his first game back.

And yeah, I can almost understand it as a fan, but that’s a person and that will always take precedence for me.

by Katherine215 on Jan 3, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree.

Does all of this “new understanding” of the long-term damage done by repeated concussions make anyone else wonder how both boxing and MMA aren’t illegal yet? As the NFL and NHL rightly see this as the biggest potential threat to the game, you have HBO, Showtime and Vs. continuing to run Saturday night boxing and MMA pay per view specials. Just seems remarkably inconsistent to me. Maybe the sad truth is that no one gives a shit about the competitors in those sports.

by NiemiNation on Jan 3, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

there's a whole pile of OT sense there

one only has to see the damage done to several of the great boxers of our times to understand it.. I personally nearly cried watching Ali lighting the lamp and was one of millions who sucked in our breath when it looked like he’d drop it.. but Hockey ain’t boxing.. in those “sports” brutal headshots and beatings are the norm.. Hockey is about skill, speed and skating.. with some hard hitting and violence thrown in.. these guys aren’t taught from day one about absorbing deliberate blows to the head as ‘Fighters’ are.. they’re taught how to play Hockey..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Ali wanted to quit much earlier

but the Nation of Islam wanted those dollars to keep coming in – he knew he was long past it. And not to be too cynical, but owners in all professional sports never gave two shits about their players – if they had, unions would never have happened in the first place.

by Waylon on Jan 3, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I call Palomino

on the NOI stuff.. but the Managers/handlers/people making a buck.. yeah baby.. with you on that one.. hence the player organisations..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait

We can’t talk about Net Operating Income anymore? Fine. Be that way.

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 3, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Not entirely true, mate

Physicality is not an incidental part of hockey—-at least in the North American game—-and players at all competitive levels are taught how to roll with hits to minimize damage to the body, including the head.

However, we know that when it comes to concussions in the NHL, fighting IS incidental to the issue, yes? Bodychecking causes the majority of concussions. Every study says so. If you really want to address the issue, consider starting a no-check NHL movement.

Non-fighters usually don’t fight, but this is not to say that they don’t practice how to protect themselves. There are grapple techniques every player intending to play pro pick up, and learning to take a punch is, in fact, a skill. (you might notice most hockey punches don’t actually land on the head despite the fact that this is the intended target.)

Boxing is another animal altogether. I’ve done both (hence the “southpaw” moniker), and I agree that boxing is nothing like hockey fighting.

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by Second City Southpaw on Jan 3, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, I'm agreeing with this

when I talk about the “deliberate blows to the head” bit I’m mostly thinking of those chilling lines in the NYT Boogaard article where they talk about enforcers learning how to punch from boxing pros.. I’ve never boxed, but I do know boxers and under no circumstances should anyone be punching anyone else outside of a ring with that sort of blow.

And on the non-check thing.. I think we’re all agreed on what constitutes a good check withing the “Classic” rules of Hockey.. the problem comes when players (and the game) have gotten so big and fast that what was acceptable and encouragable in days gone by is just no longer permissible.. simply because people are getting hurt.
Not trying to knock the fine physical tradition of Hockey, just that it’s going to have to adapt to a changed game, like it or not.

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Good Point

Even routine, clean checks are turning guys’ heads into lava lamps because players are so big, fast, and strong these days.

I wasn’t being a smart-ass when I suggested a no-check movement. I wouldn’t be a fan of it, but if we really want to protect these guys, that may be the only definitive way to go about it.

SCH's Meathead-in-Residence

by Second City Southpaw on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno

if the league maybe appointed a guy to make sure all checks were within certain parameters and.. oh, who am I kidding!
Actually, I think Shanahan has (mostly) been a big step in the right direction.. checking can be kept in the game but the rules will be tough and headshots will have to go.. and i think the sun is probably setting on fighting, right or wrong..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Fighting is being phased out.

And concussions will remain an issue.

SCH's Meathead-in-Residence

by Second City Southpaw on Jan 3, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

You are spot on with this

The league will have to decide between speed and hits, either slow players down and keep hitting, or keep the speed and hitting goes

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

or make the change to a Europe - sized rink

which won’t happen because the NHL owners will not allow losing revenue from the seats that would be taken out – but I think that would solve many problems. The player’s union should make an attempt at this action nevertheless.

by Waylon on Jan 3, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah but since the players are faster now

and many are also bigger, a larger rink size would make the concussions being caused by checks more unlikely, would it not?

by Waylon on Jan 3, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I wasn't taking a position either way

I just HATED those big rinks as a kid….at least during practice…especially if you were being bag skated..

I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem

by HjammerTime on Jan 3, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Bag skates weren't exactly any more fun on smaller rinks

I remember having a regular Monday afternoon practice on the studio rink at Heartland in Lincolnwood (about half the size of a regular rink). Bag skates on that tiny piece of ice sucked just as hard as bag skates on an Olympic-sized rink

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by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

that's an interesting idea

but not sure if it solves the problem. There would have to be significant study to prove that giving the players more space would reduce their ability to hit each other. As you say, none of the owners would agree to shrinking the number of seats

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Out with the boards and glass

In with the tires and hay bales

If graffiti changed anything it would be illegal

by ratbite on Jan 3, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Martial Arts

Hockey fighters learning martial arts to get an advantage after dropping the gloves isn’t that uncommon.

At a meet and greet, Darren McCarty once told me all he learned from taking aikido.

I would be very surprised if current NHL players weren’t also learning some martial arts on the side.

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by Second City Southpaw on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

bricks and mortar. that’s what they mean when they say that.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The gym I am learning Brazilian Jiu Jitsu...

at I have actually seen Cam Janssen come in and work a variety of clinch work with a muay thai coach. I’ve actually also seen Brandon Bollig come in at least a couple of times as well.

"Make the bastard chase you, he will follow."

by RaoulDuke27 on Jan 4, 2012 2:22 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Regarding Bolland and his head last year....

Call me an idiot (pause for response…) but I don’t quite get what Rozner is saying about Bolland last year. Did Bolly “fake” his concussion symptoms? Take longer than the doctors thought he should? And is Sam saying that Bolly’s symptoms were real but the Hawks’ brass/doctors “thought” Bolly was faking it? And that means the Hawks were trying to rush back a guy who should have been given more time?

Was Bolland soft? Are the Hawks stupid for trying to force him back? What exactly is being said here?

Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?

by Preacher000 on Jan 3, 2012 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

Things...

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by DesertHawk on Jan 3, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, thanks! That totally clears it up for me.....

Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?

by Preacher000 on Jan 3, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Cornfusing Things

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 3, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought it'd help.

Also I feel we should all throw in a “Rabble, Rabble” or two.

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by DesertHawk on Jan 3, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

sure.. your move..

oh, you said “Rabble!”

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

If I managed to spell that while playing, I'd be so happy.

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by DesertHawk on Jan 3, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't get all the confusion and consternation over the Rozner thing

Rozner reported people in the organization thought Bolland milked his concussion. End of story. What is so hard about this?

It seems to imply that the Blackhawks think these guys who suffer concussions are a bunch of pussies who should be on the ice the second they can come out of the dark room.

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by HjammerTime on Jan 3, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like Bolly needs to have some people n the organization over for lunch.

By lunch I mean he should eat their livers with fava beans and a nice chianti.

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 3, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe Daviebol Lecter

is more into “Spleem Sushi” this year.. made right in front of you with your own spleen…

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was on the boat with those missing the implication

but what you say now makes sense. If that’s the case, that’s pretty shitty.

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 3, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It wasn't consternation.

I just actually didn’t understand what the implication was, especially when it was combined with Sam’s comments.

Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?

by Preacher000 on Jan 3, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

You weren't the only one

It sounded like Bolland was being critcized for milking the injury. Now I understand that it’s really a finger being pointed at the Hawks’ overall appraoch and how that might have affected Kruger.

by bluekoolaide on Jan 3, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

He was being criticized by the person/people in the Hawks organization

Sam and Fifth Feather were the ones pointing fingers at the Hawks…probably correctly.

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by HjammerTime on Jan 3, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it's anything like damning accusations

look at the recent history and tell me where anyone is wrong in discerning a pattern. Can we know for sure? Of course not – but after raising a number of questions after the Seabrook situation last year, Kruger’s deal this year raises a ton of red flags. We could start with why on earth did they feel the need to shove him back out there so soon?

by Waylon on Jan 3, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m not just trying to stir the pot, but my guess is that he passed on all his tests. This isn’t an exact science. And a person with a concussion is likelier to get another with a blow to the head. I’m not saying there’s nothing there to wonder about, but I just don;‘t see it. You’d get a full-blown rebellion at some point from the players themselves.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I've heard other athletes say

they purposely did bad on the initial tests so that their baseline was low and they could come back sooner. Not that Kruger did this, but as a young guy, he might have felt good play by Pirri or other young players would put his place on the team in jeopardy.

by Katherine215 on Jan 3, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

A friend of mine has a daughter that plays D-1 soccer

She told her dad that most of them cheat on their baseline testing just in case they ever get a head injury.

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

This is why the adults/coaches/GM's have to be on their shit

Kids just aren’t going to see the long term implications as a big deal, especially when the competition to play is so high

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

we've had this talk..

but I still feel that
wee kids + even knowing what injury symptoms are + deliberately ignoring them = Non-Competitive Sports For Kids..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

not following you

You saying little kids shouldn’t play competitive sports? I was referring more to High School/college age kids

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, sorry..

talking about smallies.. they should play the sports but not in leagues (it’s how it works in most of Europe).. older groups (high-schoolers.. I’d still rather see them playing for joy but I’m aware America is set up differently to Europe in terms of Athlete’s development

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

If they banned parents from the events

I think it wouldn’t be too bad. The kids could have fun and no one is yelling at them all the time. However, the officiating at these things are usually brutal, the kids would prob do a better job policing themselves. Believe me I’m right in the middle of the mess that is youth sports, I often long for the day of kids just playing a pick up game

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

the Dutch don’t allow parents to watch kids till they’re teenagers (this is Soccer, obviously) and it’s worked pretty well for them…

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

what's this thing you call a pick - up game?

I realized I was already hopelessly behind the times when I suggested this to my sister and brother – in – law when their kids were playing soccer back in the early 90’s, and the parents and all the official bullshit crapola was ruining the experience for both of them.

by Waylon on Jan 3, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

But Europe sucks...

Tired of hearing how great things are in Europe. Yeah, all of their superior parenting and societal influence is working really well these days. While it is real easy these days to find faults here, we still look real good in comparison to the entire frickin’ continent.

Regarding concussions, you’re never going to be able to slow the speed and/ or reduce the size impact on today’s game. I think that the answer is in the equipment (softer shoulder pads/ no hard plastic and better helmets) and the size of the ice.

And as far as the rink size, I can’t figure which would be better… smaller rinks like the old Boston Garden, so no one get get really moving as fast. Or larger international size rinks so that guys can more easily avoid each other…?

by NiemiNation on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

yes, you're right

Europe sucks…

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought Asia sucked

and that’s what kept Europe from floating over to become the next 6 United States.

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 3, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh :D

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by DesertHawk on Jan 4, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

so on the one hand

you are saying they can’t slow the players down, yet you think it might be wise to shrink the ice size so no one gets moving really fast.

I’m sure there are changes to equipment that would help the situation, however if 2 objects collide at 20 mph I don’t care how good your helmet is, if your skull stops before your brain does, you will have a concusion.

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

You’re missing the “Europe Sucks” nuance of the argument.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I just chose to ignore it

unless I’m missing something that was intended to be funny, but I don’t think so

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh ya … was just kidding.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

have yet to figure out who is most likely kidding around and who is serious

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

this from a guy

called ‘FinnishPlayerNation’

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

he's got a point

Maybe if Marian Hossa were from the states, he’d be good at hockey. Now we’ll always be wondering what could have been, if only he’d grown up on the other side of the Atlantic. Wasted potential, I tell you.

by tgo909 on Jan 3, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

it makes me weep, alright

and if only that Hjalmersson guy had one fewer consonants in his surname..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

What, you want to get rid of that useless L?

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.

by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Definitely go with the smaller rinks

the larger rinks are for pussified Euro-trash players.

Plus, they only made the rinks larger there because each player thinks knows all the others suck, so they all want to avoid each other like you said.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

and it gives them more room for adverts

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

My SO’s basketball team does the same thing.

stay still. shut up. pay attention. adopt as signature moves.
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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to joing KtG in the vomitorium

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Odd

I do this just so I don’t have to work so much and can spend more time on the Interwebz.

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 3, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

This

I’ve heard some discussions that the baseline should be more of a physical test than a mental aptitude test (or at least both run in tandem). The reasoning would be as follows:

- player takes head shot
- player goes to dark room for mental aptitude baseline test to assess immediate distress
- player is withheld from current game regardless of baseline aptitude results
- following day (or within 24 hour period) baseline physical test is run (this would be exertion type activity, VO2 max, repetitive box jumps etc.)
- if player shows any measurable decline in physical baseline they are shut down indefinitely (odds are that any PCS will render the athlete far below normal standards very quickly)
- depending on severity, subsequent mental aptitude baseline tests are run periodically until it’s determined that a player is “right” enough to retake physical baseline testing (while allowing for some degeneration of physical prowess due to a period of withdrawn physical activity).

I think it makes some sense and, obviously, the key in there is that the person is removed from the game with no chance of returning…

You are next.

by M7 on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I’ve heard the same, and it’s definitely possible. I just think the whole thing, as an organizational policy, so to speak, is ridiculously far-fetched. These players are assets in a business. Sure, yes, it can be argued that there might is a short-sighted owner and a ruthless GM … but seriously, folks … is there ANY evidence of this, any whatsoever? Rocky Wirtz and Stan Bowman are playing with the well-being of players, and the health of business assets, over and over again; it’s endemic? This isn’t directed at you Katherine … I’m just expanding.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I should clarify

it was in an article I read about the NFL and CTE a few years ago and the player they talked to was a former NFLer. I don’t remember which player or article, though. So it does happen at the professional level in at least one sport.

I’m not sure what I think about this. It’s certainly possible for the Hawks to take this approach, though definitely not smart financially, as you say. I’m just hesitant to throw my weight behind the unnamed sources of Barry Rozner.

by Katherine215 on Jan 3, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I recognized the argument, that players intentionally bag their baseline tests. I don’t recall the context, but it was definitely an article, maybe a conversation on HNIC, and it had to do with the NHL. It’s definitely something I can imagine … perhaps less so as the information continues to grow.

It’s hard to fault the Hawks if the players are doing it. I mean, I have no idea what the tests are and how easy it is to fake results/effort in them. But unless there’s a way to manage the tests in such a way as to eradicate cheating, I don’t know what an organization can do. If a player passes the test, if the doctors say he’s okay, and if the player wants to play … I just don’t know what they would do.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

My 12 year old son

just had a concussion. They gave him a computer test that I assume they have given to many non concussed kids of different ability levels. My son is an A-B student, so they compared his results to other A-B students his age. I’m wondering if athletes shouldn’t take a baseline test but should be compared to other people their own age and relative ability, thus removing the tanking the baseline test.

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting. I can see this becoming an increasingly complex debate for the league, but one that will definitely happen.

I’d like to know more about the tests; this whole conversation has piqued my curiosity. It seems to me they would have to factor in height/weight/age … but man, how do you group according to ability/performance, how can that properly be measured?

Anyone out there know about the tests NHLers go through for this stuff?

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

not sure on NHL tests

but my son was compared to other kids with similar grades. He was pretty below average in the time it took him to respond to questions and other motor skill stuff. His overall knowledge was fine. The scary part is, this test was given to him a week after the concussion happened. I would have swore he was fine two days after it happened

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

at least they could hold out the player for the rest of the game

that would seem to be the bare minimum of taking the proper precation, I think.

by Waylon on Jan 4, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

your second point is a very real concern

I was a long jumper in HS – #2 guy on the team (we sent 2 jumpers to most meets). Tore my quad at the beginning of my sophomore year, and never jumped in a competetive meet again – not because I didn’t heal, but because I got replaced, and never got a chance to earn my spot back.

That was almost 15 years ago, and I’m still upset about it. The decision not to come back early was easy for me: I was physically unable to run and jump. But in the case of concussions, there’s no knowing for sure if you’re ready. What is for sure is that every day you sit out is another day someone else is in your spot.

This is, in my mind, the real problem. In many cases, even trained professionals have to rely on the word of someone who wants nothing more than to return to the game, rather than relying on observable data. Until that changes, I don’t think we’re going to see a substantial decrease in the number of concussions.

by tgo909 on Jan 3, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish you were right about that

but I think that most hockey players are still from the old school line of thinking, and if a coach pressures them back on to the ice regardless of how they’re really feeling, I would tend to believe that they’d suck it up and go out there regardless.

by Waylon on Jan 3, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear you here … but I actually think it’s more the player that would pressure themselves, try to hide things, so that they could get back in there, far more than the coach putting that pressure on.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

No one is saying the Hawks are intentionally icing concussed players or that there is some grand conspiracy

however, if you look at the evidence of how Havlat, Seabrook, and now Kruger were handled, it’s not good. The Hawks seem to operate on a strategy where they let their concussed players dictate whether they’re going to play or not. That’s a great way to avoid any kind of culpability. “Hey, it’s not our fault. He passed all the concussion tests. Our doctors said he was good to go.”

Then if the player takes too long as in Bolland’s case, he’s subject to second-guessing.

It just leaves me feeling icky about the whole thing.

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by El Duque's Raft on Jan 3, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

TBH

If Bolland did delay coming back a little from a concussion, Bravo to him. The skaters health needs to come first, and each skater needs to be the final fail safe in protecting himself from the long term effects. If a player thinks it is too soon too fast, the organization needs to back the player, because he knows better then anybody if he is alright, and they also need to be cautious of the player in too much of a hurry to return as well. Concussions are the big topic of the day, and for good reason. For a long time we knew what they were, but knew and still know very little of their short, mid and long prognosis, but what is understood is the damage can be more serious then we ever suspected, and quick repeated concussions can be very devastating to the brain. When you are dealing with one’s grey matter, you just can not screw around with “mights”, you need to know better than that, not to the extent of certainty, but as least to the vast majority of instances. Because there will be a day for all players where their skills have faded, time has taken its toll, the joy of playing the game has passed. The last thing that also needs to be taken is their mind, this needs to be left as healthy and sound as can be. The mind does not go away, it is always their, it is their as a player and will be after those days are gone. Damage to the Brain and mind is too much to ask for, the risk is too high to go about it carelessly, it needs to be protected, at least until we do really understand what a concussion does to it over the life term and not the season’s point total.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess to add on to your point and include something I meant to above

it’s not good when the player has to be the one making the adult decisions as in Bolland’s case. With Havlat, Seabrook, and Kruger, the Hawks willingly let them play even though common sense and maturity said otherwise.

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by El Duque's Raft on Jan 3, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

But it's more than common sense and maturity

“Grey matter” is a pretty appropriate description in this case. It’s easy to look at an x-ray and notice when a leg or wrist (etc.) injury hasn’t quite healed. It’s much much harder to know when a concussion has healed. I would always suggest erring on the side of caution, especially when considering the health of someone’s brain. But the simple fact is at this time, we really don’t know where that line between caution and recklessness is.

I’m not ready to make any accusations just yet. I would certainly hope that the organization is putting health before revenue, and if they aren’t, something needs to change. But every concussion is different. Shoving players back on the ice too soon is terrible, but keeping everyone out a year because of Crosby’s example is probably not warranted. At this point, we just don’t know enough – about concussions, and about how the Hawks brass is handling them.

by tgo909 on Jan 3, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand what you’re saying, and I think there’s merit to it. But what’s the alternative if they pass their tests? Do the Hawks brass have to keep them out an extra week? Two? A month?

The implication here is that Bolland had passed the tests and yet kept himself out. Is there any evidence whatsoever to this? I’m not suggesting Rozner is lying, but could he have misunderstood? Could he have communicated the idea poorly? Those options are more likely in my mind than the brass having grown pissed that he didn’t return directly upon passing the tests … if that’s even the case.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It needs to be a balance

A very delicate one at that. Because one passes all the fine motor and memory tests does not mean they are symptom free and their brain has healed. Are the tests sufficient for analyzing the danger has passed? The test for determining if one has occurred seems on the whole to be fine, but coming back it is different. This needs to be approached with the same diligence as the initial diagnosis. Just out of the nature of the beast, I doubt it can ever be 100% correct, however to be able to at least say for the vast majority it is a go also along with integrity, responsibility ,intuition and common sense from the Physician, Player and Team with all three giving the green light that the problem has passed, I would feel fine about.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Have people been suggesting this doesn’t happen (re physician, player and team all giving the green light)? I suddenly feel like a dolt. Isn’t this currently the standard?

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I added the intuition and common sense parts to it though

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Common sense being

a guy coming off a concussion taking three huge hits including a punch to the back of the head and still being allowed to finish the game. Or a guy getting knocked out and being allowed to go out for his next shift, or in Havlat’s case, the next game

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by El Duque's Raft on Jan 3, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

But that’s kind of what I mean. You need something measurable. If everything is a go, how can a team legitimately keep a player out? And how much longer after tests are passed? Is it always the same length? Does it differ?

Anyway … I have to go … gotta watch my country give it a go against the Russkies.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

whoops, I read this quickly

and thought you said “watch my country give it UP to Russia” and I was gonna wonder if you are a precog, Chico.

Sorry. :)

by Katherine215 on Jan 4, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I took the statement more as Bolland wasn't doing what he needed to do to pass the test

and that he could’ve gotten back out there even if it was with minor discomfort.

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by El Duque's Raft on Jan 3, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Rumors Swirling

About bringing Sam Gagner into town? I’m not sold on it, but this would do more than replace Kruger. Thoughts?

by chelsea_dangler on Jan 3, 2012 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

Haha

Didn’t get a chance to watch, bad? And who was he on a line with?

by chelsea_dangler on Jan 3, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Jones and Belanger, I think.

Sam Gagne is dogshit. No thanks.

I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem

by HjammerTime on Jan 3, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

You think

He’d still be dogshit between Hossa and Sharp?

by chelsea_dangler on Jan 3, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

Fair enough. I’d prefer to stick with our roster as well, just reporting speculation.

by chelsea_dangler on Jan 3, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Dogshit is dogshit no matter where it is.

by Ban on Jan 3, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

nein, nein, nein,nein, nein ,nein

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and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, on a happy note

Finally cold enough here to put up my backyard rink and the one on base here to play some pickup games during lunch!

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 4:38 PM CST reply actions  

you've got a backyard rink?

right.. let’s see.. one hour to Shannon Airport… six hour flight.. drive to Vermont.. see you this time tomorrow. I’ll only stay six to eight weeks?

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Small rink

Like 30×35 hope to start tomorrow

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope you all realise

that ‘Only In America’ would a ‘30×35 Backyard Rink’ be considered “small”.. it’s probably bigger than any rink here…

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

America

We like our ice rinks and our value meals super sized

by Speed3 on Jan 3, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I've met those meals..

a branch of ‘Chipotle’ opened in London not long ago.. I went along.. and then asked the question “Hey, in Pittsburgh my burrito was the size of my goddamn head! I am dissapoint!”

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Chipotle does a disservice

to the Americanized giant burrito. There is a joint arond the corner from me that has burritos that have to way five pounds. It’s every drunken glutton’s wet dream.

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 3, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I love it when you talk dirty..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I was going to mention something about our America junk

but noticed I had run out of Extenze

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 3, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I had to google extenze..

DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH FUCKING SPAM I’M GONNA GET NOW!!

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

ain't no Irish Dude

ever need no fudgin’ “Extenze”.. all we need to do is lay off the beer for a week or two.. (like that’ll happen)

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the Irish

just used picture books of sheep.

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 3, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

that's the Welsh you're thinking of..

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought that was the Scots

Where’s germ to verify?

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

May all my ancestors descend ghostly upon you to cause you sleepless nights from now until the end of time.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Hold on

I’m Scotch-Irish, German, and Native American. My lineage already declares me cursed.

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 3, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I take it back. You’re lucky. At 8:06 it was going permanent.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

That's simply awesome

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 3, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Whiskey … enough said.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

not wanting to be a pedant..

but if you’re talking about Scotch it’s spelt “Whisky” (Whiskey is alright for Irish/American).. Germ would have to stab you with his Sgian-Dubh otherwise..

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

haha, I knew this was coming.

I think Germ already schooled us about whisky/whiskey once along time ago.

by Katherine215 on Jan 3, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I won’t call you pedant for that. I’m a nit-picker myself when it comes to spelling and am glad to know the difference. I hadn’t noticed it before, and firefox’s spellcheck suggested I change it. Funny, but both of them looked equally weird, my first spelling and firefox’s suggestion.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Laphroaig Triplewood

is a new favourite. It’s Quarter-cask, but matured for a few months longer in a third cask.

Because a blog of alcoholics just isn't complete without a Scot.
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by Germware on Jan 4, 2012 5:21 AM CST up reply actions  

If I recall, you're partial to the Islays

but I picked up a bottle of Dalmore 15 as a gift to myself for New Years and it came with a test tube sampler of King Alexander III, which I know nothing about. But the 15 might be new favorite. Unfortunate, because it costs $20 more than my usual.

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 4, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

opened up

the wallet for a bottle of ardbeg corryvrekan for christmas as my big gift. haven’t had the triplewood, but have had the standard quarter cask, which i enjoyed very much.

won’t crack my bottle until i get the glencairn nosing glasses i ordered over the holidays.

by Raditzzzz on Jan 4, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I have the exact same glass

It’s nice to have.

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by Germware on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm a fan of Bowmore and Laphroaig

but they’re the only Islays I’ve had (apart from Bruichladdich, which isn’t a typical Islay and is kinda meh). I’m more familiar with Speysides.

I’ve never heard of King Alexander III, but it looks rather nice. It’s been in 6 different casks, and is about 4-6 times as expensive as the normal sort of whiskies I get here. Needless to say, I’m rather jealous.

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by Germware on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

rec’d, good sir

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

seconded

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

from the same genius

“Land of my Fathers? My Fathers can keep it..” a sentiment well understood by anybody unlucky enough to be in downtown Swansea on a Friday night..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

ah, he just wrote that in a game-day thread after a tough loss.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

no, that was

“A Refusal To Mourn”…

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

touche.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I approve of this entire conversation

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by Germware on Jan 4, 2012 5:20 AM CST up reply actions  

speaking of which

why are the sheep nervous in Scotland?

because they can’t hear the zippers on kilts.

by Waylon on Jan 3, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

ha! flec

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

heh … wish you’d visit more, ffic

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Dogging it until playoff time.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

like you're gonna be there..

(kiddingsk!)

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

They’re only six points ahead of 9th place Washington. Not crazy to think it could all go to hell, especially with Pronger out.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

We miss your quick summing-up lists of SCH conversations. It helps to paint a bigger picture.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

i've done a few here and there this year but i've been over at BSH more. I'll come back round in the spring.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

and thanks. it’s fun here.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

is there any chance we can or will be letting Lepisto (or OD) loose?

if he’s not going to be played except in random spurts then he shouldn’t be here wasting away. of course not sure who would want him – we haven’t played him enough to “showcase” him this season either.

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

Lepisto has to be begging his agent for a trade

It’s bad for the team and his career if he stays. And unless we get a better D-man, OD is staying.

Geez, I do not have enough salt to take with all of these trade rumors and the Hawks conspiracy talk.

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

So,

I just got done with my daily stats update crap, and it is ungood for the men in red! Not terrible, but not good.

GFG stalled, and is now trending down
GAG slight uptick due to giving up 4 last night, but overall trending down still since early December
PP% trending down now for a couple+ weeks
PK% has stalled out at around 78.6% for about 3 weeks
SRS has stalled out now trending down (currently 0.39 which still is not bad)
DRS has stalled out at around 2.0 (Also pretty good, but not elite)

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

With or with out Carcillo ,we were/are still down at least one top six winger

Kane moving to center opens another hole in the top 6. Pirri was decent enough. Not sure if we have a top winger lurking in Rockford…………………………

H'8ter Proof™

by ccm on Jan 3, 2012 6:19 PM CST reply actions  

This pains me too say, since I do not care for his antics much.

Perhaps it is time to give (I can’t believe I am saying this) Beach a shot for a game or three? If at the very least, provided he does not get himself suspended or killed on the ice, showcase possible trade bait to get that missing forward?

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.........

…..aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa….. (maybe yer right..)… aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

a

No Swagger, No Dagger

by Saskjet on Jan 3, 2012 6:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

There are a few of there aren't there?

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, that was screaming

rather than the dismissive “a”…

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by mightymike D on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

he's still injured

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

and unlikely to be back soon

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Did not know this

Whew, that potential is off the table! lol

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

btw madden officially signed with the panterhs

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 6:28 PM CST reply actions  

Hawks Down Sout'

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

VERSTEEG!!! TomoKop, Soupy, and Mad Dog

All back together again.

When TomoKop decked whoever the fuck that Ranger was, it was sureal seeing him, Versteeg and Soupy all huddled together after the scrum.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey! Let's get the Band back together..

I’m still praying for a Spinal Tap moment after the deadline..

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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Aittokallio, yo.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

For anyone who wants a laugh

Here’s an animated enactment of the Jody Shelley signing, pointed out to me by mikefive at BSH.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 6:36 PM CST reply actions  

But size grit and truculence!

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

NYT writer used “truculent” twice this week to describe the Flyers.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

gotta be an improvement

on their usual terminology, right?

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
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by mightymike D on Jan 3, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

yes, that’s true. Bladed Visigoths with mustaches to match on the verge of plunging professional hockey into a Dark Age until the game was rescued by Les Vingt Mousquetaires

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Possible side benefit to Carbombs stupidity?

The Hawks as a team see what he was brought in for, toughness and grit. The Hawks see what happens when those who have been here who can play like that but don’t, somebody will be brought in who will. The Hawks saw last night the result of it going to far and out of control. Those players who have been here and can play hard and gritty, but also smartly and skillfully realize it has to them to be the ones who bring it, and not have to resort to a lose canon again. I think we know who those Hawks are, and it is not John Scott! Mayers is already doing it, will the others now follow suit?

I think they just might, not out of want, but necessity.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 3, 2012 6:56 PM CST reply actions  

Please stop

Guys like Jamal Mayers are brought in for toughness, grit, checking. Guys like John Scott too. Daniel Carcillo on the other hand is nothing associated with grit on the ice. Nothing at all. Jonathan Toews shows more grit each night versus the clown act Carcillo perpetuates.

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by BLou on Jan 3, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

So, who's up for some Russia/Canada?

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh

by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 7:32 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Me. ME. But you already know that.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Up and down. Pretty pumped.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Stream for those that need one

www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/100724/1/watch-canada-vs-russia-(u18).html

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh

by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 8:08 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

So Canada basically interfered with their own goalie to allow that goal.

Wedgewood would have made the stop if his own defender wasn’t busy sliding into his fivehole.

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh

by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 8:25 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

twss?

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

oh how times have changed,

I find myself hoping russia wins to knock canada out. Who’d have thought that 20 years ago

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't know

it’s 1-0 Ruskies

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

make that 2-0

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

heh heh heh

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

oh ok. go russia!

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

really? Russia?

Not long ago, they had hundreds (maybe thousands?) of nukes pointed right at us (and they probably still do). Now you guys want them to beat our friendly cousins to the north? Come on!

CANADA! CANADA!

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by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe it's the underdog mentality

no one expected russia to beat them for gold last year. Canada is just so cocky I want to see them lose.

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

more against canada, than for russia

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

i will never forgive canada for the olympics.

no more gold medals for canada

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm Bobby Clarke, and I approve this message

That’s Russia’s best player, Kharlamov, in red and about to collapse with a broken ankle in the ’72 Summit Series. A certain Flyer was responsible.

BTW, The Station That Used to be Called Versus is showing a great documentary about this series next week on a few different nights.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Can’t wait to see it. Have you seen Valery’s Ankle?

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

never heard of it. looks very interesting. thanks for the lead.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh man, I've seen a part of it.

First of all it was a cool movie. But man, they draw some pretty large conclusions about the nature of Canada from one play by a notorious dick. I can’t image what they’d say about an American team had it been them.

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by HjammerTime on Jan 4, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

wow russia sells calls, then again, so does canada

the future looks more like soccer

sadface

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

it is in fact the dagger

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Carcillo is officially done as a sweater wearing Blackhawk

I was at last night’s game (I know, YOU"RE HAPPY FOR ME !!) and the immediate reaction of Toews and Sharp to the hit spoke volumes. Carcillo lost the game, lost his teammates and put an end to his career with the Hawks.

I’m guessing his leg is messed up enough to the point Bowman will banish him to the IR the remainder of the season. That’s of course AFTER Shanahan lays down the big wood. I’m guessin he gets a well deserved 20 game suspension. Meanwhile Patrick Kane and the more “stylistic” members of the Hawks will want to play with their head on a swivel for awhile. Carcillo’s egregious act is going to bait some opponent to take a run at Kane…you watch.

Carcillo is a punk. He won’t make his 40th birthday. Good fucking riddance.

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by BLou on Jan 3, 2012 7:36 PM CST reply actions  

this feels like deja vu

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not defending Carbomb here

but for whatever reason his hit last night reminded me of Buff’s hit on Pronger in the finals. I have watched both hits several times and I fail to see much difference in them.

Again, I don’t know that Carbomb really makes a difference for this team one way or the other, I’m just looking at the two hits and wondering what is the difference besides both guys got up and skated away.

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

They were way more side to side on that one, both about to play the puck, and it was right off a faceoff, not a race to the end boards. Carcillo wasn’t making a play for the puck. Plus, Buff checked Pronger with a shoulder, didn’t shove him face-first into the boards. I think they were both very different hits.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Pronger hadn't played the puck and he's between Buff and the puck

Pronger’s impact with the boards, while probably less of a jolt due to less speed, is pretty similar to Gilberts.

Not sure how you can say Carbomb isn’t making a play for the puck, if he moves Gilbert out of the way the puck is right there waiting for him

I do wish Carbomb would have wrapped Gilbert up and ridden him to the boards while holding him up but is that not a penalty as well?

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven’t re-watched and will have to trust you on this. I remembered it more as a side-by-side hit with a big shoulder from Byfuglien; maybe he did shove him.

But I don’t see Carcillo’s hit as a play for the puck, although we’re into intention here and it’s impossible to reason through it, I saw it as an “engagement” of the player almost exclusively.

That wrapping-up thing … Burke has lobbied hard to bring that back so that attacking players have more choice. I think it’s a good idea.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya, looks to me like they’re side by side when contact is initiated, that Buff hammers him with arm and shoulder, and that Pronger is not even remotely in a defenseless position.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see how Gilbert is any less defenseless than Pronger was

nor do I see how Buff’s hit is any less dangerous to Pronger. The speed before the hit is the only difference.

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

not just speed - but direction as well

As FFIC points out below, Pronger is skating along the boards and gets hit from the side. 99 times out of 100, Pronger absorbs that hit in stride (and usually still gets the puck – that bastard) because he can use his outside skate to brace/compensate for the collision. He was just unlucky that time because his feet were together.

Contrast that with the Gilbert hit. Carcillo noticed he was beat, so slowed up to get behind Gilbert, and, with both arms, propelled him in such a way that he had no chance to stop, given the direction of his movement and the direction of the hit.

Yes – the actual contact with the boards looks similar in the 2 vids, but the plays that create that contact are very different. Hits from behind are inherently more dangerous because the player getting hit has a much smaller chance to brace himself, given the position of the skate blades. Even on turf, this is the case, but the issue is compounded on ice.

And in terms of intent – I can’t know what was going on in the 2 players’ brains, but from the vids, it looked like Buff initiated contact in the act of trying to get the puck, while Carcillo gave up on getting the puck so he could make the hit. Buff probably should have been called for interference, but it was nowhere near as dangerous a hit as Carcillo’s.

by tgo909 on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I've watched it at least 20 times now

and I disagree that Car slows up, I did finally pay more attention to where the puck was and it appears that Car could have made more of an attempt to play the puck and put much less effort in hitting Gilbert.

In the end, I think its easier for us to accept Buff’s hit as legit because we all hated Pronger at that point and most never like Carbomb to start with. But they are very similar hits. Pronger has no more chance to protect himself than does Gil.

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

to each their own

10 people watching the same video can see 10 different things. And while I disagree with you, I can see where you’re coming from. But if given the choice personally, I’d much rather take the hit the Proger took than the one Gilbert took, whether or not I knew the hits were coming. (And yes, I hate Pronger – mostly because he’s a dick, but also because he’s a douche.)

by tgo909 on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

The funny thing is

at the time I loved that hit by Buff, I watched it several times to relish in Pronger getting nailed. Actually I still like watching it but some of the fun has been taken out of it now that Pronger is out with melon issues

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

couldnt have happened to a nicer guy

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

So is Dexter

I’m not comparing, I’m just saying…

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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 4, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you implying

that people who own LabORatories are strange or something?

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by DesertHawk on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

plus the difference in speed; plus Byfuglien and Pronger are moving along the goal line whereas Carcillo and Gilbert were clearly headed to the boards, again at high speed; plus Byfuglien was interested in getting to the puck. Also, look at the stances just before the hit. Pronger left himself vulnerable by having his feet too close together. He had no triangle for support and that’s not Byfuglien’s fault or responsibility to assess that in an instant. Gilbert looked like he was actually trying to brace himself for the hit. Every player is vulnerable in that moment and every player knows it. Plus it’s a two-hand crosscheck from Carcillo whereas Byfuglien just used his beef shank of a shoulder.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

And Car isn't interested in getting the puck?

Not like the puck was heading the other direction, it ended up where Gil and Car did. So you agree that Car and Gil were at a higher rate of speed? It would stand to reason that Buff had more time to asses the opposing players status than Car did. Buffs 260 lb shoulder doesn’t equal Car’s two hands?

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he showed interest

in pursuing the puck. He’s paying no attention to it at all. A different kind of player would have been skating back to get the puck, which is the point in the end.

I’m repeating myself, but Byfuglien had absolutely no responsibility for Pronger putting himself in that position and leveled him with a clean hard shoulder on the way to getting puck possession. What Carcillo did would be a cross-checking or high-sticking penalty in another context. Both hands on the stick, held parallel, driving into the opposition at shoulder height.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

it's not cross checking

It’s a technicality but Car is holding his stick with his right hand only. I did finally pay more attention to where the puck was at the time of the hit and I do think Car should have made more of an effort to play the puck than he did.

At the very least Buff’s hit is interference and would be a boarding penalty today.

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

So then I’ll just say that in a different context what Carcillo did with his hands is still a penalty. You could argue that Byfuglien interfered with Pronger but there’s nothing about the nature or severity of his hit that’s illegal.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

what Car did is a penalty and he should get suspended. If Buff makes that hit today, its a suspendable hit IMO. And you should visit more often

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Are these billable hours you’re going to hit us with later?

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

but I work pretty cheap

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Alright! You can send the invoice to JuliaM.

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

but she has the company credit card

She can just put it on the SCH account.

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

How do I invoice that?

I’m the dumbass trying to defend Carbomb and damn Buff?

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I was here a lot last year. In fact I joined up here before BSH, for the SCF in ’10. This is a great place. Took me a while to find my stride over there. So now I spend more time in the home blog locker room. Except when they play the stupid Mac Miller song.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

is it as bad as the sandstorm dance?

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

consider yourself lucky

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty new here

so I can’t say a lot, but you add more than some of the others here

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

.
I can’t say a lot

You sure about that?

I kid, I kid.

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

hey

just wait til I get more comfy

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

i think blogs benefit from having regulars from other teams, as long as they don’t puke on the rug while they’re visiting.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

its nice to get the perspective from someone not looking through fogged lenses

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

But sometimes it's hard not to puke

when you’ve been drinking for 10 hours

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 3, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Along with all the points Chico pointed out

That was in 2009-2010 NHL, this is 2010-2011 NHL. That alone is a huge difference.

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by Mike Martin on Jan 3, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought we were in 2011-2012 NHL

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Womp womp.

I fail.

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by Mike Martin on Jan 3, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes it is

I just find it interesting that Buff got no penalty at all for that hit and some here want Carbomb gone from the league for a similar hit. I fully understand that Car has a vast history of stupidity

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

the result was almost the same, an opposing player goes flying into the boards awkwardly.

For full disclosure, I loved the Buff hit and watched it repeatedly. My initial reaction to Carbomb’s hit was ‘oh fuck’. Looking back, IMO the hits were the same

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

The result of taking a stick to the face and puck is almost the same too

A bloody face.

The biggest difference was Buff’s hit was a shoulder check, and Carcillo shoved an off balance player face-first into the boards. They’re not that similar.

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by Mike Martin on Jan 3, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

really?

Pronger doesn’t go face first into the boards? Gilbert is no more off balance than pronger was

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

dude these guys just hate carbomb

don’t waste energy typing, their minds have been made up since day one. i agree with you.

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 4, 2012 3:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Carbomb shoved my grandma headfirst

into the glass door in the frozen foods section at the grocery store.

They were both going for the last box of Eggos and she cut him off.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 4, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

but were the hits the same? a push, ignoring the puck, and throwing the player into the boards?

no one is comparing results here, just the hit itself

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't get ignoring the puck

Buff ignored the puck too, until after he hit pronger

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

and what about the rest of it?

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

i mean did buff launch a player into the boards the way carcillo did?

i deem a hit dirty by the hit itself, not the results – often time clean hits result in injury and dirty ones don’t.

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

It didn't have the same speed

but yes he did. Youtube it, I was pretty shocked at how similar the hits are minus the speed that Gilbert and Car have.

Yes I agree a clean hit can result in injury and a dirty hit may not

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

ok i'll pull it up when i get the chance

one big thing though is the fact that it was a different time, and the rules were different then versus now – thankfully

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes it was

but that was less than 2 years ago.

And I agree it’s for the better that these hits go away

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

actually just looked at it - still seems different to me

shoulder to shoulder versus carcillo going from the side to the back to push him with a shove that launched him into the boards.

less then 2 years ago i’m pretty sure the hit cooke laid on savard was legal too. so i don’t like to compare what offenses were punishable year over year

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch Car's hit again

he hits Gilbert on the shoulder not the back.

The fact that Cooke’s hit was legal 2 years ago or 30 years ago is pretty disgusting, but I get your point

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

i think carcillo was behind gilbert while buff was next to him

also, rules are rules at this stage, so even if its the exact same, its illegal now

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I get it

Just think Carbomb is getting scorched when maybe he shouldn’t. And I hated the guy before this year and wasn’t thrilled when he was signed.
That’s not to say I don’t think he should get suspended

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

i hear you.

lets see what he actually gets.

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

If you listen to the goons

from the past talk about the pressure that they felt to fight every game, how it made them sick and anxious. He’s not a goon, but a guy like Carcillo is on a team to make an impact with physical play. If he’s too cautious he could play himself out of a job. You can conclude that the guy is just reckless and careless, not some sociopath who can skate better than the general population. (Trevor Gillies seems that kind of guy). The forces and trends in the game now are slowly marginalizing this kind of player because it’s being decided that the costs are becoming too high.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

that I agree with completely

and I wish the marginalizing would happen more quickly

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I remember the Bullies as a kid and it was a blast (not that I can really defend it) but that time is long gone. I don’t want Shelley or RInaldo or Sestito on the 4th line.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, but I disagree

I don’t think it’s even close to the same hit. Buff’s was two guys skating along the boards together and a clean shoulder. Carcillo’s was a shove from behind on a guy who was vulnerable.
I was a Carcillo fan from his days in Phoenix. He’ll get 5-8 games for the hit and 2 more for his rep.

by chijim on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

It's still no matt cooke hit or for that matter bertuzzi

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Because he never made a play for the puck.

The puck is almost behind the net

Hold My Stones

by laaarmer on Jan 4, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Outrage?

He is predicting his DEATH! This is hysterical. Where do we order more of this?

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by HjammerTime on Jan 3, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha! Well put.

I concur, most hysterical.

You are next.

by M7 on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I’m quitting the comedy writing. there’s no way I can compete with satire like this..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 4, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Hi! Remember me? We met on the last thread

I asked you for an example of this league taking revenge on skill players for a fringe player being an idiot thing- preferably an example from the post-lockout era.

It’s okay. I’ll wait.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Jan 3, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Marcus Kruger is the one to be worried about

Kruger is superlatively talented and has the potential to be a high quality top two line center in this league. He is just scratching the surface of that talent.

The concussion thing with him scares the beejezus out of me. Shut the kid down for the entire season if it has to come to that. He’s too valuable of a future piece for the Hawks. Even if he was a fringe player, the thing you do is treat the concussion the right way.

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by BLou on Jan 3, 2012 7:43 PM CST reply actions  

I’ve been laughing about this comment for about a solid minute. Perfect.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s pretty great. “Well g-golly Stan you-you think he can just bounce back on a, a whim? Like he jus-just went on a, -a bender and now he’s bright-eyed and bush, bushy-tailed? You-you’re ’re just the darnedest GM.”

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I do agree very much that the priority here is Kruger’s health.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh my god bubble wrap. I am seven again.

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

we can survive the lose of Carcillo/Kruger

Can the team survive the loss of a teammate who seemed to be fitting in and then went “kaboom”?

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by ccm on Jan 3, 2012 7:56 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

huh?

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

2 cents worth

Blackhawks do not need Carcillo. They do need Kruger or a replacement now. Cap space may not be the issue for you, but what you’re willing to trade right now for a top six forward is an issue. Is trading Saad worth getting a Cup this year? Or is he untouchable?

The one thing I noticed about Carcillo’s hit was the moment he finished the hit. he was looking at the ref to see if a hand was going up.

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by westy99 on Jan 3, 2012 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

was he? i just saw him rolling around on ice

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I was there, and it was really more of a writhing in pain sort of motion.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

as soon as he bounced off Gilbert

he was watching the ref…..I can get the pic if you need it

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by westy99 on Jan 3, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe you. Not making any sort of excuses. Just. He was pretty fucked up by that hit.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Would you offer Saad

for the right piece?

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by westy99 on Jan 3, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Was that to me? Yes. I would.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Just wondered

Some think he walks on water. And long term he might be a great player. But I wonder if the need to win now outweighs long term needs

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by westy99 on Jan 3, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The time to win is always now.

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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 3, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear you started it

and by that I mean I am spreading the rumor you started it.

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by westy99 on Jan 4, 2012 6:54 AM CST up reply actions  

what's the right piece?

Saad will be ready sooner than later (2013?) and he’s a big body, something the team could use more of IMO.

So do I think he should be untouchable? no. But would we use him to get a good complimentary player for just this one season? No way.

by aeroplane on Jan 4, 2012 1:37 AM CST up reply actions  

If I'm Stan, the only way I'd even consider moving Saad

is if I absolutely, no-other-choice, have to to get a guy like Bobby Ryan – still young (25), an established all-star caliber player, and signed for 3 or 4 more years at a somewhat sizable but certainly manageable cap hit. That sort of move would be filling a hole for the long-term, and even then I’d be reluctant and try to offer basically anything else (prospect-and-pick-wise) to get him and still hang on to Saad. For a rental player, not a chance.

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by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Wings up 4-3 in the 2nd vs. dallas

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:29 PM CST reply actions  

5-3

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, the next few weeks will be tough, being short handed on the top six

And yes, we’ll probably lose 1st in the league, conference, and division, at least temporarily.

But I prefer to think about what this team has, rather than what it has not:

Some great young forwards.
Some solid D in the top four.
Lot’s a cap space.
An owner and management committed to excellence.

Long term, it will be okay. Short term it may be what separates real fans from bandwagon jumpers.

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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 3, 2012 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

Canada/Russia is crazy.

Russian goalie just took a penalty for whacking someone in the face.

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what?1

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

was sold by the canadian who was getting up.

wasn’t exactly Pavelec getting whacked

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been impressed by the diving skills of both teams so far

I mean penalty embellishing skills.
I mean drawing the refs attention to the penalty…
I mean… Oh, fuck it.

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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 3, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

it's not quite italian soccer, but it's getting there sadly

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I want that guy on my team.

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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 3, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Crap, re Russ goalie whacking a Canadian with his stick.

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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 3, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Should’ve been offsetting minors … Canadian players interfered to begin then whole thing.

Canada was the better team that period but a turnover, a failed PK and a poor power play have kept them two behind. Sounds like the bad periods of another team I know.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

With sandstorm and the Dagger it’s like a regular old Hawks game around here.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

… with a slightly different balance of for/against?

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you know, they even had a goalie controversy, too.

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And tonight, Edmonton has the let down.

And ends Buffalo’s losing streak.

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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 3, 2012 8:43 PM CST reply actions  

RNH out indefinitely with a shoulder injury btw

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:00 PM CST reply actions  

apparently he fell into the boards

i don’t think anybody really knows for sure

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Those silly boards

You never know when they’re going to pop up! Isn’t that right, Chara?

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

sort of like those bluelines, eh wellwood?

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

yes, Canada is still using Dagger as their goal song

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

I laughed
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by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

hah nice

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

INSANE offensive shift for Canada before that finally went in.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 9:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

holy shit, was reading the recap at copper and blue and they have a picture of gilbert going down

and i almost threw up looking at whatever the hell is going on with his leg

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:07 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, don’t think the ankle is supposed to got that way.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

This Russian goalie isn't too shabby

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:10 PM CST reply actions  

what the hell - he completely ran over wedgewood

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 PM CST reply actions  

there should be, good goal, but there should be a penalty

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah the goal clearly went in prior to, but that player didn't even try to stop imo

brutal. my loyalties have shifted.

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Knew you’d come around to the good guys ;)

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by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

hah, didn't take too long

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I have felt so sorry for Wedge this game. It's not been his night so far.

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3 goals off his own player, a 3 on 2 and a clear 1 on 0

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, Canadian goalie just got destroyed

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You guys are the best. And I’m drunk. But you guys are the best.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 9:17 PM CST reply actions  

Your not getting my bud light

on second thought you can have it. /grabs a Stone

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

what are you on? I’m having B&B and am catching up on episodes of Nikita. I’d like to come up with a plan to get myself kidnapped so that she can extract me.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

sierra nevada tumbler autumn brown ale. and yes, she is incredibly hot.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Poor Ryan Murray

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:19 PM CST reply actions  

Scapegoat much?

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

He's just been that unlucky so far

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

good lord bad hit jeez

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 PM CST reply actions  

wow and jenner is out of the game

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

that's a susp......

and Jenner takes a stupid penalty wow

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

he's out of the game completely, right?

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

rightly so

he speared a guy right in front of the ref after that hit

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

yup

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with the spearing call.

Call it a slash, and give him two, and since Jenner’s bleeding, sit the Russian kid for four. Hell of a lot more just towards the penalty that actually could have seriously injured someone that way.

For a major game in a major tourney, refs this game sure have been terrible. Missed calls everywhere,and this isn’ t the first they’ve blown.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I’m actually with you on this one. A bit harsh.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah that makes more sense then what we got

i missed a lot of the first but what i’ve seen so far has not made me happy with the reffing.

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

omg canada what are you doing

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

throwing a tantrum?

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

i actually thought it was going to be a penalty shot with Connolly

seemed like he had a really good chance that was hampered by the russian dude interfering and putting him int he net.

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think interference qualifies as a pen shot.

he would have to have had possession, which would nullify the interference

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

but didn't he have possession until the guy hampered him with his stick?

i don’t know, maybe i just don’t get what constitutes a penalty shot

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

if he hampered him with his stick, it would have been hooking

looked to me like he pushed him into the net after he lost the puck.

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Wowww

The officials aren’t letting anything go

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

They've let some things go.

Russia’s needless run on Wedgewood,for example.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah, that's more accurate.

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh

by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

To be honest, it’s been strict but not unfair. Also, a good bit of diving, which you see a bit more in this age group.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Diving is the worst

I wish penalties were called for that more often

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

They've been overly strict where they don't need to be ( see: the hooking call that wasn't; the spearing call) and overly lax on actually dangerous plays (the elbow that drew blood but wasn't double minored, the goalie run).

Not what I expect from a crew reffing a prestige game like this one.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 9:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Ignore the stuff they should call, call the stuff they shouldn't.

I’m sensing a pattern.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Waylon'd

Should have been response to non-call on Connelly’s throat punch.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 10:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Holy shit.

Barn fire hockey here. Good on canada for the come back so far, though.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

If ever there was a time for Russia not to take a penalty, that was it.

Too bad the Russian team didn’t get the memo.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

HOLY CRAP.

Oh, Canada.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

i think they've let a bunch of stuff go that they shouldn't have

and called the rest of it tight. very weird. don’t know how that player was able to run over wedgewood with nothing called.

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't see any of the game

Is it over? What is/was the score?

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by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s 5-1 Russia, and it should be.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the Flyers fault

It’s because we kept Couturier.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Farging bastages.

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God I love Scooter.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You love too many people tonight. You have to pick some hate or we’ll stop believing you.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Detroit sucks.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well truthed.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Laviolette would say:

“Don’t pull a muscle or anything showing your hate. Just glide back to the point. Typical. Cliche typical. As fucking casual as it gets.”

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Jam.

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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

An eternal meme.

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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

Wasn’t expecting a discrepancy like that!

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Couple really weird bounces involved in that number.

Canada’s actually looked like the better team for decent chunks of the night. Russian goalie is putting on a clinic,though. He’s been a lot of fun to watch.

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by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

without a doubt he has been on his head

only 17 too wonder if he goes KHL or not

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

end of 2nd

5-1 eurasians

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Still a period to go.

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by ChicoMaki on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

wings beat stars 5-4

blues beat coyotes 4-1 and Caps beat flames 3-1 (brouwer with a goal!)

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 PM CST reply actions  

The Sharks could come even with us, since they have four games in hand

But I think by the end of the week we’ll be third in the league depending on what Boston and the Rangers do

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jeez didn't realize they had that many games in hand

and yeah, we’ll see what happens with those teams, just more concerned with our conference though

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Connelly just punched a guy

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

and no penalty

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by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The ref went over to the Russian bench

I wonder if they just took pity on the poor guys and decided to waive it

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looked like he got him in the throat

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy crap

That should have been a penalty.

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omg goalie why are you behind the net

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 PM CST reply actions  

6-1 now

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:04 PM CST reply actions  

Canada has another PP

maybe they can get at least one more

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

hey the back door play worked!

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

still lots of time left

could still make a game of it

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

6-4 holla!!1

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:14 PM CST reply actions  

cant believe no pen shot on that one

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

REALLY?

That was quick.

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

wow these refs are terrible

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:17 PM CST reply actions  

Aren't they though?

They have no idea what kind of game they want to call

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess that is why they are officiating a U-20

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

6-5!!

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 PM CST reply actions  

6-5

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 PM CST reply actions  

I'm putting a boot on right now

So I can kick myself in the ass for not streaming this game.

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHA

5 mins to go!

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

There are streams at the top of the page just search for 'stream'

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh

by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

HAHAHA Oh man, this is incredible.

stay still. shut up. pay attention. adopt as signature moves.
bitches couldn't possibly know about my modal epistemology
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by JuliaM on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM CST reply actions  

and the russian goalie has been pulled

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM CST reply actions  

this game has gotten nuts

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh god this comment!

I would rec it if I was on a mobile phone.

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh

by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

gotcha covered

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

me too

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

haha that's fantastic

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't help but feel that there is no shame in this one for Canada.

Hell of a comeback against bad bounces and bad refs. Refs sometimes hurt Russia too, though. Maybe next year we’ll get a crew that allows exciting hockey for the whole game.

Go Sweden? I can’t say I want Russia to win out after watching this one.

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh

by Steeg of their own on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I vote meteor

not sure if final is in Calgary or Edmonton, so it can break up and destroy them both

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going Sweden

Only because they have three Hawks prospects and I’d like them to do well

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

go sweden for sure

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by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

come ON canada!

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 PM CST reply actions  

bah! damn good comeback though

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 PM CST reply actions  

great game

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

now there can be a meteor and destroy Calgary and Edmonton

I’m sure no one will really notice

I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down

by AngryGiant on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 PM CST reply actions  

I'll notice!

I’ll also be staring out my office window in anticipation of doom. Maybe I’ll take the wife and son on a roadtrip to Lethbridge just in case this imminent apocalyptic meteor actually strikes!

You are next.

by M7 on Jan 4, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

any meteor destroying Both Calgary and Edmonton

will be a problem for North America and likely the rest of the world. They’re not exactly surgical in impact.

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 4, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha. Screw Canada

Not even shitty refs could save them.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Jan 3, 2012 10:37 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I love that you hate us … it’s the well you draw your envy from.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jan 4, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

If envy is the reason I don't like Canada Hockey

Is envy the reason you don’t like the Hawks rivals? Because those sure aren’t my reasons.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Jan 4, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t like our rivals as viewed from my Tower of Comparison. I like our guys better because I know them best and because they’re wrapped up in the nostalgia of my youth, and our rivals are therefore The Other. If they were better I would envy them their talent, like I did for about a decade while we wallowed in our own filth. My hatred of our rivals is in inverse proportion to their success as measure by our own lack of it. If I was a fan of the US team, that is, I’d envy Canada their success. right now I envy the Russians the boldness of their wins last year and this, and it kills me. If we were massive underdogs I’d envy and hate them even more.

I’m not completely trying to be a dick; I’m trying to be a dick only insofar as it balances your wish to have us screwed for losing.

www.mjt.org

by ChicoMaki on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

If there's ANY envy from me toward Canada Hockey

It’s simply the fact that Canada can get their most talented athletes to play the game. Outside of Michigan, Minnesota, Mass, and parts of NY, a vast majority of our most talented are funneled into the football/basketball/baseball or track cycle. Can you imagine if Cam Newton or Brian Urlacher had been given skates and a stick instead of a football?

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Jan 4, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

O, Canada

of course your mom loves you. It’s either she loves you or she becomes a crack whore out of depression. To the hockey world, however, you’re a bunch of dickbags…and I mean that in the friendliest sense possible.

But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"

by hairhelmet on Jan 4, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I love Canada outside of international hockey

Legal pot, public healthcare, and ice fishing- sign me up!

However, your failures in international hockey amuse me.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Jan 4, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

get this alright..

it’s like me with England: like the place, lived there long enough, good people.. but I want their International Sports Teams to die in Freak Gardening Accidents..

enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!

by mightymike D on Jan 4, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm the same way with England in soccer

Want Gerrard to be a beast when playing with Liverpool. Want him to look like a putz when he has those stupid lions on his chest.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Jan 4, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

amen

A mosquito was heard to complain
That a chemist had poisoned his brain
The cause of his sorrow
Was 4-4 dichloro-
diphenyltrichloroethane

by mightymike D on Jan 4, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yahoo reports Carcillo banned indefinitely

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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 3, 2012 11:06 PM CST reply actions  

Well if it isn't the suspension it's going to be the injury

Carcillo will become best buddies with Lepisto these next weeks

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

lepisto lepisto lepisto

wonder if he’ll play this thursday or not

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

If Montador's better then hell no

If not, I feel like Q will retry a 32-6 combination, accompanied by much crying and drinking from all of us here.

I just don’t know what Lepisto does that is so much worse than OD or Scott.

by mad-hatter on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

if monty is better then i would like to see him and lepisto

rather then monty and scott, or scott and od if monty is not better.

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

scott and od?

that’s a whole lot of slow

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

reading my comment over, i can see how it would be confusing! let me rephrase completely

essentially, if monty is better i want him and lepisto, but we’ll prob get monty/scott or monty/od. if monty is NOT better, od/lepisto or scott/lepisto, but after last game we’ll probably get od/scott.

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

OD/scott

on the road? god help us

by Z-man24 on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

i really wouldn't be surprised.

"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"

by justforkicks on Jan 3, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, heard that earlier

I feel the Shanahammer is coming down with its full force. And rightfully so.

See if you can guess what I am now.

by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 3, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

There's conflicting reports, which led to my embarrassing double post.

But the general consensus is, “Bye Bye Danny.”

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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 3, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I get it Carcillo is a repeat offender and should have know better

….but Gilbert hits the brakes and leans into Carcillo to shield the puck. At that point it is man vs. man, Gilbert keeping Carcillo away and Carcillo trying to get thru Gilbert all is the name of the puck. Carcillo pushed too hard and Gilbert pushed too little. Carcillo is surprised that Gilbert folds soquickly. Carcillo is looking at the ref leading to Carcillo’s injury.
Gilbert goes for contact and puck…Carcillo goes for body first then puck.

I get it Carcillo is a repeat offender and should have know better

H'8ter Proof™

by ccm on Jan 4, 2012 7:18 AM CST reply actions  

If carbomb had simply checked him, even a shoulder check, okay.

But he raised his hands and pushed him into the boards.

That’s a bozo no no

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