Olsen And Shaw Up, Monty And Kruger To IR
by SamFels on Jan 4, 2012 11:01 AM CST
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PrintCouple roster moves just announced. Dylan Olsen and Andrew Shaw have been called up. To make room, Steve Montador and Marcus Kruger -- who in no way was mishandled at all or anything -- have been move to Injured Reserved. Kruger is basically eligible to come off of that whenever, and Montador should be available on Saturday at the earliest.
As for the new call-ups, clearly the most interesting one is Olsen. I don't watch much of Rockford, but our guy in the know Chris Block at The Third Man In has labeled Olsen the only untouchable the Hawks have in the system. While he's still got some ways to go, he plays with the snarl and edge the Hawks might lack. He's still learning the pro game but has made huge strides this season. Does that mean he's ready for third pairing minutes? Almost certainly not, and it's one thing to deal with AHL forwards and then have Scott Hartnell back up in your ass with the resurrection, as he will be tomorrow. But it'll be fun to get a look at what the future might bring.
Shaw seems destined for a pretty short, lively career. At a generous 5-10 he's essentially been a bowling ball in the AHL, hurling himself at everything and anything to create space for his linemates. Again, according to Block, Brandon Pirri's game didn't take off until he had Shaw with him being a meteor for him to find some openings. One thing to do that there, another in the Show. Still, any physicality will be welcome on the Hawks, and he'll probably have a chance to kick in right away on the fourth line with Mayers and Hayes (I assume Brunette is moving up to play with Toews and Hossa, so I can be proven wrong about what I've been calling for pretty much all season).
Half-season assessment coming up this afternoon.
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What have you been calling for all season, Sam?
Because you’re wrong, just like the rest of us were. Shaw skating with Toews and Sharp. That’s… different.
Stals with Kane and Hossa.
3rd line status quo
Jammer with Bruno and Hayes round it out.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 AM CST reply actions
This just in
@TramyersCSN: Lines today: 10-19-65 (Shaw), 25-88-81, 29-36-67, 15-22-39. #Blackhawks
wow…
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
I'm fine with the 2nd, but would have expected brunette on the first though
i think stals has done well with bolly as well so wouldnt’ have minded him there, but then that leaves the hole on the 2nd.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 4, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
works for me...
since it’s not like the line generator won’t see it’s way into the game if these lines flail. The guys have to execute, and I see no reason why they can’t against Philly.
does this mean
Olsen will be paired with Keith? Or would they put Olsen with Hammer and pair Leddy with O’Donnell/ Lepisto/ Scott?
by pang off the post on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 AM CST reply actions
O'Donnell skating with Olsen
If you’ll excuse me, I need to go buy a handgun, some Quaaludes and a fifth of Old Granddad.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Not surprised
as I said in the morning links comments, the prevailing logic dictates pairing a young call-up with an experienced veteran to help him find his way and neither Lepisto nor Scott really fit that bill.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Still going to be skittish watching them
Especially on the road. Claude Giroux already scares me. Against a green youngun and a 1976 Buick Skylark it drives me to drink.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's the right move
Yeah, OD is slow and old, but who ya gonna pair him with otherwise? Keith and Leddy take too many chances and would leave him out to dry, Seabrook and Hammer would be redundant.
Now make like a tree and get out of here
by SPECIAL SAUCE on Jan 4, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Hotel New Hampshire/d!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Jan 4, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
more a fan of the book
but yer right about Jodie.. except maybe Nell..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
gonna need a new program for all these kids coming up...
that sucks for Freddy, hopefully he is now getting the attention he needs to recover properly. Tomorrow’s game ought to be interesting to watch drunk!
Let go BLACKHAWKS!
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM CST reply actions
Hawks seemed super hesitant last season to give youngsters a chance
This season Stan isn’t afraid to put the Ice Hogs out on the ice. I don’t quite get it.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Last season the team was
struggling all year, and the post season didn’t appear to be a lock. This season we’re first in the league or in the hunt, gives a little more leeway for tinkering.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
Plus I think the way Leddy has come along
Has proven that there is a chance that one of these kids could be ready sooner rather than later
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
IMO, they might not have struggled so much had Morin or even Smith had some more pro-time.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
I hope he soon looks to spend some of the 5.5 mil in cap room to get us one or two players with good sucessful NHL experience. We need a center and a D-man.
.. slag ..
I mentioned this yesterday
while there was some speculation / rumination about it before, now with Kruger on the shelf for the foreseeable future the ‘Hawks have a pretty glaring hole in need of filling in the top 6. A center would be nice, but both Kane and Sharp have shown that they’re more than capable of playing that 2C role. Thus while a center may be preferable, Stan would be a fool to limit himself and not look to make the best possible trade for the best possible forward regardless of of whether or he’s a center or a winger.
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
And your most likely able to get a top 6 winger than a center on the market
Unless….you know the rest
However like Sam and many say, Kane can do the job at center, but when he doesn’t get the matchups on the road you notice the difference. However if you have Sharp with him finding that 2 way game again, put him there!!
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
on the road (and at home) kane-hossa is the much better option then kane-sharp
especially if you’re concerned about their defense. at least in my opinion
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 4, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
but Sharp is more productive with Kane or Hoss. He doesn’t seem to know what to do when he is on the ice with Toews.
he hasn't looked overly productive when he's been paired with Kane so far this year, imo
he was obviously badass with Hossa. But I feel like he and Toews are doing well enough now that he can get going with Toews as well, no matter their chemistry in the past.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
Per Friedman
30 Things in the linkies earlier, D-men are in hot demand this season. Forwards are thick.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
There should be a couple of d-men available
like, as Friedman mentioned, Gleason and possibly Visnovsky, but due to the low supply and high demand it would likely take a massive over-payment to land anyone worth landing. As a result I just don’t see the ’Hawks making a move for one
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like bad news bears for Carcillo's knee
adamjahns Adam Jahns
Re: Carcillo, it’s feared that he may have sustained considerable damage in his left knee. JQ speaks soon. Stay tuned. #Blackhawks
That sucks for him. Looks like he flew too close to the sun. Good luck elsewhere, Danny.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 AM CST reply actions
Jahns....
feared by who? By jahns? by other people on twitter?
Probably people in the Hawks organization
and despite the recent lambasting I don’t bear the guy any ill will, I’d hate for him to be possibly permanently injured.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
Meh, BLou says he is going to be dead by 40 anyway.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah
that was foul.
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Jan 4, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
He is over 9000
GO SHARKS!
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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This, from Jesse:
67 and 15 switched lines mid-practice.
so thats 15-19-10. could work.
Q is changing lines?
I don’t believe it. I need evidence
Hold My Stones
by laaarmer on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You got your 60's mixed up.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous! Beautius J. Beautius!
Fuck Radim Vrbata.
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
So it would be
36-15-29?
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Jahns confirmed your original thought
Frolik got time at the top. Mixed feelings about that. Don’t particularly care to break up the 3rd line but Fro does add some defensive ability at the top.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Don’t particularly care to break up the 3rd line
Why not? They haven’t been great at either end of the ice.
This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.
Who do you put Bickell with then?
That’s a question I can’t answer. If he doesn’t skate with Frolik and Bolland, does he become 4th line fodder? I see him sulking there.
3rd line hasn’t been great, I agree. Like laaarmer said above, be interesting to see Dave Bolland with a couple love offensive bodies.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
*live
Not sure how Dave would feel about anything that involves love. It probably wouldn’t end well though.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I had no problems
with 36-25-29 on the 3rd line. I actually think Fro might bring more to the top than Stals has been doing of late.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
i thought stalberg did really well when he was with bicks and bolland. so that drops fro to the bottom line
or the 1st or 2nd line, which i’m not totally keen on
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 4, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
.........Q had that line back together at the end of the Oiler game.
….Stal is just more comfortable there
Ver™
Stal was on the 3rd line at the end of the Oilers game?
admittedly I didn’t notice in the jumble of lines that were being thrown out.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
why does
fro have to go to the 4th line? if we are concerned with kaner’s defensive game, wouldn’t fro’s defensive acumen go a long way toward balancing that out? also, with kane feeding him quality chances, it would give fro a chance to get on the scoresheet.
Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you!
by Gozer the Traveler on Jan 4, 2012 6:09 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
not as concerned with kaner's defensive game when he's on a line with hossa
more concerned with his offensive game, and don’t think Fro would be any help there.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
3rd line...4th line...Press Box
seems like the standard progression (or I guess that should be regression) for Bickell anymore.
I get the feeling that will become ‘3rd line…4th line…Press Box…Ticket out of town’ some time in the next couple months.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
The fact he is on a checking line
makes no sense. He really does not understand (or else choose to participate) in defense.
Sure, Bickell can't play defense - and Q knows this
That’s why he gives Bickell the toughest zones starts against the highest QualComp of any winger on the Hawks. The only Hawk who faces the “toughs” more is Bolland. And yet Bickell has a positive Corsi.
I love when people suggest that a minimum wage player who can hold his own against the league’s best needs to get shipped out of town.
LACES OUT BRYAN!!!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he needs to be shipped out of town.
I think he will be shipped out of town.
Personaly I think he contributes what should be expected for a player of his talents. But the reality is that he seems to be on a slow slide into Q’s doghouse and he would make a tempting morsel to be thrown in to any potential deal.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
What about "my" KK?
Or did you mean “you’re”?
What about Bolland?
Why can’t he play 2C? It’s not like he is kicking ass as a shut down guy. Change of scenery for him might be good.
“Oh look, Kaner and Sharp can actually play”.
Mayers to 3C. New guys on 4.
Hold My Stones
I tend to agree with you
To be honest, I’d even be fine with Jammer getting a little burn at 2C. The guy wins faceoffs. Doesn’t add a whole lot on offense but if Kane and Hossa are flanking you, who needs it?
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
My reasoning is this (and I'm sure CNS will chime in soon)
Havlat Bolland Ladd
Hossa Bolland Ladd
Frolik Bolland Bickell
Bolland needs some help.
Hold My Stones
I tend to agree here
The 3rd line has been fine defensively. About the same as last season. Where they’ve struggled is offensively, and no one on the Hawks has struggled more than Bolland.
Most of Bolly’s whopping 15 points (8g/7a) have actually come on special teams (5g/4a). 3 goals and 3 assists at EV in 35 games? I’m amazed that his name seldom comes up for discussion/criticism here.
Obviously Bickell and Frolik haven’t been much better (especially when you take out Frolik’s ENGs). Some of it is PDO (last year Bicks and Bolly led the Hawks, this year they’re 2nd and 3rd from last), but it’s obviously much more than that.
Bolland needs help to elevate his game, if possible. And Bickell and Frolik need a center who can provide some offense. Bolland doesn’t seem too interested in that this year. When Stalberg was on the 3rd line, it was he and Bickell who provided the offensive spark with some nice plays down low. Bolland remained invisible.
Hawks are surviving though because the 1st and 2nd lines are picking up the slack.
Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox…
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
I think he is not/should not be untouchable in a trade
Package him with some others and ……But they are sitting on top and improving with the goal diff so why not finish out the year with Bolly? Lepisto on the other hand, is so highly regarded that Olsen was called up. Is Lepisto going to play or sit? You would think that he would have been the 1st answer, but no, Olsen is called up. Why are he and Scott here if they can’t handle some playing time?
Hold My Stones
I don't think Bickell's untouchable
but probably more so than what flies off the fingertips around here. Hawks need those value contracts and Bickell would make an excellent 4th liner if it came to that, especially for the price. I’d say that Stalberg, Bickell and Mayers are the best value contracts the Hawks have. They’re keepers unless the trade package has a value contract coming back.
It’s pretty obvious Lepisto is as good as gone if they can package him in a deal. He’d get playing time on a team that’s selling. I don’t see Scott going anywhere though. He’s improved since last year, so Q probably keeps him round.
I know this might sound nuts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Scott is mentoring Leddy. Have you noticed that Leddy has been hitting everything in sight for the past month or so? He uses the exact same technique as Scott. Skate alongside the opponent, get a glove up high on him, push him off balance, and ride him into the boards. Leddy’s not taking the hits like he was earlier this season, he’s giving them out more than he’s getting. I think Scott has become to Leddy what Turco was to Crow last year. He knows what to do but lacks the ability to do it himself. I’m obviously speculating, but the similarity is uncanny.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the recent faceoff stats
Mayers has been terrible at faceoffs recently. His overall percentage this year isn’t bad but that’s because he was doing really good. Lately, no.
He was supposed to be
the 2C of the future, and he looked like it in ‘08-’09:
stats!
Notice that he’s never played even close to a full season since then, and his numbers are down. I don’t know whether that’s because he chose to focus on defense, but he’s never been the same offensive player since he got hurt in the cup year.
Now make like a tree and get out of here
by SPECIAL SAUCE on Jan 4, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
I like that Q is putting 81 with 88
Kane mired in a small slump. Hoss will get him going. I think that 2nd line could be pretty solid. Little concerned about Vik, but let’s see how it goes. He’s been playing well, just wish there was a real center between 81 and 88 and not Kane at the pivot.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 AM CST reply actions
the good thing about 88's slump, is he's still getting and generating quality chances every game.
Just make sure you get your skinny little ass back on defense so you don’t generate opportunity for the opposition
me too. And kane looked best with hoss at his wing. so excited to see that back
hopefully though he’ll finally be able to finish the chances he’s generating, heep those assists rising, and also increase his goals
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 4, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I like
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Worse than being Rickrolled?
There was a demi lovato video/commercial before it. Ugh! I lost 12% of my soul just hearing it.
But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"
We brought up more grit and a lil raw skill.
Olsen , while still raw , likes to keep the front of the net clean and clear. He can make the smart outlet pass and removes people off the puck along the boards. Hasn’t unleashed his heavy shot as often as he should and is still learning defensive assignments.
Shaw is the ultimate pain in the ass. Has a knack for finding the net, he already has 12 goals. He is small , but as tough as they come. Fearless with dropping the gloves , he has somehow survived many fights against opponents whom are much much bigger then him. Shaw will go to bat for anyone. Nearly killed one of our propects in training camp with a open ice hit…then went on to score two goals.
Ver
H'8ter Proof™
Only if he cheats on shootout attempts
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
St. Louis does not exactly throw his body around or drop the gloves very often...
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
maybe more a reverb for Michael Peca?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
I won't complain if Shaw is a redeux of Peca
I loved watching that guy play
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'd certainly love to see it too
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Shaw will not give up his chance easily, he's a killer...watch him throw down with Hartnell, I predict this
No Swagger, No Dagger
i really hope he doesn't throw down with anyone
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
I dont care if he does
just as long as there is a reason for it. Like Mayers
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
yeah that i could live with. but at the same time, i'd much rather mayers jump in
when he’s played at this level and fought people, then shaw is is apparently tiny but in his first game – no matter how feisty he is.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
and it's called college
at least that’s what my dad always told me growing up…
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
if he fights, it should be for a legit reason, but there are other plays who could do it in his stead.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
Shaw does not need to fight to prove himself....... hope he plays up here at the same level he was playing in the AHL
……..but he does fill in the hole left by Carcillo in the grit department. He will stand up for teamates——he doesn’t fight to grandstand.
Ver™
by ccm on Jan 4, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he needs a reason other than to establish his credibility as a "tough guy"...that's why he danced with Olsen in camp, just picked the biggest guy out there and went at it
Not debating right or wrong, but he will take on Scott Hartnell…watch
No Swagger, No Dagger
maybe he will but I hope not. if he's playing on the top 6 than he'd do better to just play a gritty game with skill
then dropping the gloves to make a point
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
ahem
Scott Hartnell has 1 fight this season
This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.
There's one for you, nineteen for me,
cause I’m the Statsman. (ooh ooh)
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
and 17 goals
RInaldo is probably back in the lineup with Jagr out. He’s the best bet, Simmonds second.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
If you recall...
Shaw kicked Olsen’s ass in the prospects camp this past summer.
I have only watched about 5 Hog games this year, so certainly no expert. Olsen has struck me as slow on decision making. Translates to good intentions but often spotty execution. Like the son of Monty/ O’Donnell.
Shaw will be interesting. The second coming of Dino Ciccarelli in stature and instigator tendencies. A huge pain in the ass. But he could become our huge pain in the ass.
I am hoping that he sticks. Like a piece of gum on your worst enemy’s shoe.
Isn’t he a center though?
i've only seen Olsen in practice...
but the guy is big. While I’m not expecting much out of him, I’m glad he’s getting a taste of the NHL. These evaluations need to be made now, before trading away for pieces we may come to regret.
His game and size are so similar to Seabs, it's scary
Give him a couple of years though.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
Corey getting a seat on Thursday
I’m cool with that.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 PM CST reply actions
He cost us points, he needs to sit for a while...isn't this around the time in 2010 when Niemi> Huet?
No Swagger, No Dagger
I think he and ole Danny boy split the tab on those points
But I still get what you’re saying.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Ahem
first, lots of guys cost us points — Crow hasn’t been Vezina-worthy, but he hasn’t sucked (OK, on that backhand from the paste-eater he kinda sucked, but still)
second, we SHALL NOT REVISIT THE GREAT GOALIE DEBATES.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
No goalie debating here, we all have our own thoughts and time will tell...but around now is when they have to settle on the "True Number One" going forward...
…and it’s an open question as of today
…IMO
No Swagger, No Dagger
understood
but I don’t think they’ll ever look at Razor as a “True Number One” due to questions re his durability for a #1-type workload.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
do I need to check on how Huet is doing in Switzerland?
Question for all you young golaies out there. I’ve heard, don’t know it it’s true, that the backhand is one of the trickiest shots to stop. Hard to read where it’s going – true or false. One of my friends said Crawford was probably concerned with the other two Oilers converging in on the play – but he said he should have realized it was Eager and most likely eager would take the shot.
I think I read Sam said hall’s wrister was a softy, I’d have to look at it again by I thought the shot was wicked. I remember thinking when I saw the replay, “Dang, he put some mustard on that one.”
Yes backhanders are known to be the toughest shots to stop at close range
Because of their unpredictability. However Eager was quite far from the net and Crow should have stopped that.
by LavalPhantom on Jan 4, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
to me
its the skate one way shoot the other aspect that is the most difficult to stop, and that is what eager did. but that can also be executed on the forehand.
making a goalie travel laterally while shooting far side is a tough save to make, because your angle is always changing and you have to compensate. there is a good chance you can get a goalie to overcompensate and leave more room on the far side in that scenario.
Yeah, skate left - shoot right (or vice versa) is tough on 'tenders.
particularly if the shot is on (or near) the ice.
Every goalie I’ve every played with has said they don’t know why players insist on going back-hand to forehand in order to get a shot off (particularly in tight). Everyone of them has said the back hand is a tough read, half the time total fan jobs end up squeaking by. This makes a lot of sense because even the player shooting a backhand has poor control over its velocity and accuracy to some degree…
You are next.
by M7 on Jan 4, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Number 2 and 4 both looked like soft goals, Crawford acknowledged such and it reminded me of the reason Crawford sat in the first place...
Not that he didn’t make some great saves as well, but deflating is the adjective to describe those two…just no consistency
No Swagger, No Dagger
Tim Thomas
3 years ago, Vezina.
2 years ago, benched in favor of Rask.
Last year, Vexina.
The last three years, the Hawks have had a different starter at year-end than the beginning of the year. It happens. It’s the nature of the position. Crow has bounced back lately, but he had a concerningly long bad stretch, enough to plant seeds.
We like our people!
And this time last year when Crow > Turco.
Give the kid a chance.
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It is only three lines long
Thanks for reading it
by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 4, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't pay attention at the end of play......he was staring at the Ref
……..and Gilbert was still flopping around.
Ver™
yeah maybe surgery
So probably gone for season
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
my guess at least
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Shaw was an ornery little prick during Prospect Camp
He has looked good in the couple of Hogs’ games that I have seen. He could be Ben Smith with more grit and better hands.
Hate to say this.........Shaw is Carcillo lite.......
………like Kieth Stone’s younger brother …..but with a different parent.
Ver™
by ccm on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't come off that way at all
Tough kid, didn’t see any cheap shots in camp or in the games
Sounds like a ringing endorsement to me...
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 4, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
The inner meathead in me loves shaw
that kid is a freak, pitbull of a hockey player. Small with an attitude the size of jupiter but packaged with skill. he seemed to be the only icehog in it for the whole game when i saw them play the wolves last week, scored 2 goals that game along with 19 pim.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 4, 2012 1:07 PM CST reply actions
The 2 goals I like,
With the horrid play of the PK, the 19 PIM I don’t like. More of the first, less of the second.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
yea well they were playing the wolves
don’t think they like eachother very much, both teams had considerable pims. might have only been seventeen – fight/misconduct/hook or something
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 4, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I may be in the minority on this,
but does anyone else think this game in Philly is kind of important?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I think all games are important
2 points is 2 points
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
I just think that at this point
in the season, they need a good solid win against a very good opponent. I guess for lack of a better term, a “Fuck you” game.
Then again, it may just be all the cough syrup I drank this morning.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I dunno,
last time they had a solid win against a very good opponent, then next game was . . . . oh right, against Edmonton. How’d that turn out?
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
I could see how the Flyers
may look at it as Monty and Krugs to IR, Carcillo out forever, 3 new call ups, this may be an easier than normal game………….Wait,
Only the Hawks seem to be thinking like that recently. Never mind.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
sure is
facing another top team in the east seems important enough
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 4, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I just think it's another good game
Finally seeing some good teams. Playing Detroit I thought was a great game and any team on top or close to the top are important. I think we play better against them then someone like the Oilers who suck against everyone but us lately
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
in terms of throwing down markers
against the “Best Of The East”, then yes, I’d agree (I still harbour the belief that Philly will be there or thereabouts in the spring)
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
We are the only team that has won a championship there.
It is OUR house. We better play like it.
by stanfordron on Jan 4, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
flec for that!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
I've got a good feeling about the game tomorrow
Shaw and Olsen in their first NHL action, champin’ at the bit to prove their mettle and show what they’ve got. Kaner paired with Hossa for 5-on-5, where he did some serious damage early in the season, combined with a demotion to the #2 PP unit that ought to fire him up and could put him into fuck you mode. Returning to Philly for the first time since hoisting the cup there. A penchant for playing their best against top-tier teams. All good signs, IMO
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by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed....felt a funk after the Carcillo incident
….having these all these rookies up here provides a excellent distraction.
Ver™
by ccm on Jan 4, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'll co-sign the good feeling on everything but the rookies
20 year olds? In Philadelphia? With those fans? Good luck, kids. That place is a fucking jungle. Making it out of Wells Fargo alive as a visiting player is considered lucky.
These are the same fans that threw up on a child just 8 months ago.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Would you feel better with Morin up?
Morin is the same age as Shaw. Actually a lil surprised Morin wasn’t called up
Ver™
by ccm on Jan 4, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'd feel better if Rick Nash wasn't a weiner-tucking sucker puncher
/lights candle for Marcus Kruger
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
alleged weiner-tucker
until you have proof you have to say alleged otherwise it’s libel
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by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Fixed
I’d feel better if Rick Nash wasn’t
a weiner-tucking sucker puncher
(feeling better, that is..)
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Jan 4, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I watched replays of that punch
and I think it may have been the hit that Krugs took in the corner on his first shift that caused the set back. Nash’s punch to me didn’t seem to be real solid or real hard. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure the punch didn’t help matters any, but the hit he took in the corner with his head down seemed much worse.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I don't know
The punch definitely didn’t help his case. There must be a reason why punching behind the head is forbidden in boxing.
No it definately didn't help
and I’m positive that it caused whatever damage that was already present to become worse. I was just saying that in my opinion the hit he took in the corner was more physically detrimental than the punch. Together though, they just compounded the problems to an already injured brain.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Already had a look at Morin
wasn’t bad, but wasn’t great. Shaw’s been tearing it up on Rockford, so it’s his turn for a look now
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by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Morin hasn't been able to put the puck on net even if it was painted on the side of a barn.
or so i read from Chris Block over at Third Man In.
Its a little worrisome considering the kind of scoring winger he has been billed to become. I just hope he finds his touch and doesn’t have any lingering effects from his concussion or recovery.
"It's The Chicago Blackhawks, man." ~ Jeremy Roenick, June 9th, 2010.
he got his chance - they may be letting him find his game down with the hogs before calling him back up
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
I don't consider a three or four game stint much of a chance for any call up.
It kind of bothers me when fans (not talking about you specifically, just in general) say this or that player had a shot and didn’t do much with it.
A three or four game call up (as was Morin’s) seems like more of a place holder situation for a short term roster hole (minor injury or illness to a regular or two). It’s kind of hard to show much or get into any kind of rhythm in just a couple of games, especially with the kind of personell juggling Q tends to do.
If they’re up here for a couple of weeks getting fairly regular shifts and don’t show much, then I’d be the first to say that more minor league seasoning is required. But until given that chance it seems premature to draw any definitive conclusions.
(And by the way, I thought Morin did a fine job with the limited time he had in his recent short lived stint. Even though he didn’t dent the score sheet I thought he displayed solid NHL level awareness and decision making and will be a solid two way player when he gets a long term look in the show.)
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
i see what you are saying but i think our roster is basically set
except for fill in’s as you say. I don’t see any harm in giving other players a shot to come up when needed to see how they will do. I’m not saying he didn’t do much with it, but he’s had his opportunity to come up to the big club, and its time for another one to get a shot. I like Morin, and thought he did fantastic the first time he came up, but didn’t think he did as great this time. He’s also not currentlylighting the world on fire with the Ice Hogs either, so I feel like given our current position, we have the opportunity to try out the other guys we have high hopes for on the roster.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
The kid dropped his popcorn, spilled a soda and pronounced “Halladay” as “Holiday.” You can coddle your kids all you want.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I remain amazed that both the city and the league allow the fans at that dump in Philly to behave that way. In the crowded men’s room while you’re taking a leak wearing a visiting team’s jersey, everyone gets up behind you and screams “Asshole” into your ears.
A couple teenage girls I know who work at the UC were in Philly for the same finals game that I was and they took lots of abuse…I mean abusing 18 and 19 year old girls dressed in cute Hawks stuff….WTF the lack of class is amazing.
Another friend who sits near me at the UC was hit in the head with a thrown beer right in front of their security who did absolutely nothing.
.. slag ..
I’ve certainly seen my share of this when I lived in Philly. I think it’s worse there than other high-passion cities but it’s certainly not the only place.
I’m pretty sure every time I’ve seen this, in any city, at least one person has been visibly drunk. The margin on beer sales is enormous, too tempting to pass up. I haven’t been to a game anywhere in a long time so I don’t know what the door policies are but I would have no problem screening people at the gate for inebriation.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
I would have no problem screening people at the gate for inebriation.
Easy buddy.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Sacrilege!
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 4, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
big picture of Shane McGowan over the Gates..
“You Must Be THIS Hammered To Enter”
"Kevin- you can't play doom metal while wearing a scarf"
remember,
you’re talking about a city where they feel their prime cultural contribution to the world is a statue of Rocky Balboa, because that whole Independence Hall, Liberty Bell thing is for pussies, apparently.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
actually
the Rocky thing is a mixed bag. Yes the “never quit” reputation is good but there is some ambivalence about it, both because it’s been appropraited by the rest of the world so it loses cred and because it is exclusively blue-collar. People in Philly ignore the Liberty Bell the same way New Yorkers ignore the Statute of LIberty. But the world-class art museum and orchestra matter to the public, as well as the largest collection of Rodin sculptures outside of Paris, and the new Barnes Foundation, and its new reputation as a dining center, etc. Having lived there 15 years I’m pretty sure I’ve never heard anyone suggest that Independence Hall was for pussies. They were called tourists, just like they are everywhere else.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Slow your roll there FFIC.
I suppose I’d get defensive if my city was getting slagged, but what you’re saying actually plays into my message: that the same folks verbally abusing kids, booing O Canada, jacking guys up while they’re just trying to take a piss, etc., are the folks who insist that Rocky is the enduring symbol of the city.
The same people that are horrified at that behavior are the ones who are also proud of the art museums and rich history of the city.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
That makes sense, as far as generalizations go. Didn’t mean to sound defensive. I don’t actually consider it my city, having not been born there and having lived in several places since I moved away. It is more blue collar than most large cities where I’ve spent time, and identifies itself with its sports teams a lot.
Pretty much all around the world, when young men get drunk in groups some kind of hell breaks loose.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Follow-up
So after the Rangers game a couple of Flyers “fans” beat up a couple of Rangers fans at a cheesesteak place in South Philly. Travis posted it this morning with a video.
Turns out one of the guys bragged about doing it on Broad Street Hockey’s facebook page so BSH might be able to make a citizen’s arrest. Pretty cool, huh?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
that would be sweet
saw the link in P Diddy but didn’t really have the stomach to watch it. hopefully the Police lay hands on the assholes.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Yeah there were some descriptors on the initial BSH post - couldn't watch it myself and I'm really glad for that!
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
yeah well we put up a giant - sized statue of Marilyn Monroe
first time I viewed that atrocity I still couldn’t believe that the city with so many of the architectural wonders of the world allowed that shitbag touristas piece of crapola to go up opposite the Wrigley building.
Thankfullly, it was widely panned
(by everyone but the gaggles of tourists and suburbanites flocking to get their pictures taken peeking of Marilyn’s skirt). My understanding is that it was the landlord or something that put it up. Ironically, it was the same folks who last year put up a wonderful re-creation of Grant Wood’s American Gothic, which is one of the Art Institute’s centerpieces. That was a bit hokey, but at least it made sense (de facto capital of the midwest, the Art Inst.). The Marilyn thing was just . . . . baffling. I think we all hope they don’t fuck up like that again!
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
Those same reasons
make me me think that a dominant performance by the Hawks may pave the way to clear up some of the problems they have encountered recently.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I was at that game - the Canucks fans behind me wanted him thrown out for hitting a ref (during the big fight)!
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
From what I've seen of Shaw, a meteor is a great description
Sadly, I feel like we might want to start the suspension pool on him now. He may try a bit to hard to get noticed while up here.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
Good news for the Hawks
Is that Jagr is probably still out with the groin injury.
Jonathan Toews- "Oh Captain, My Captain"
Jagr is definitely still out
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
for the next few games if I recall
Too bad, was hoping to see him play against the Hawks
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Poor guy. Hey did you see his beach house?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
can't see the picture =/
if its anything like the one on deadspin i’m sure its hilarious
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
hmmm
still showing up for me. usually if it fails it does so after i clear cache and try to bring the picture up again. oh well, no great loss.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
this always happens to me at work =(
i’ll have to see if it shows up when i get home
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
Beach house?
Or house that Beach stayed in over spring break?
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
Lol, poor guy, but man the Islanders have probably been regretting his contract from the day he signed
dude could break something from a strong gust of wind, geez
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
He is hockey's
answer to Kerry Wood.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
Olsen
Small sample size, but in pre-season, I thought he was a full notch better than Sami and Old Donald.
We like our people!
I really liked what I saw from him in the preseason
and I’m really excited to see what he can produce in the big show against complete NHL teams when games actually matter
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
It's not
what we like, it’s what Q likes, and Q does not seem to trust rookies with much of anything.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
he trusted Leddy + Bickell last year
and he’s trusted Krugs up until his injury.
Has anyone ever won the Cup with a rookie defenceman?
Relatively common with goalies and forwards, but not defencemen…
No Swagger, No Dagger
Technically speaking.
I believe that Hammers first full year was the cup year. I want to say that he only played in like 20 games or so that were spread out over a few different call ups the year before.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Nope, absolutely not
no team with a rookie defenseman anywhere on the active roster has ever come close to even sniffing the Cup
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by FrankStallone on Jan 4, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
The only one that I can think of is Ken Morrow
In 1980 he he joined the Islanders right after winning the Gold medal with the U.S. He probably played in about 20 games that season. In fact he ended up winning 4 Cups in a row with the Islanders.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
also
Alex Goligoski in Pit (‘09)
Andrew Hutchinson + Anton Babchuk in Car (’06)
All right…all right…but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public works and roads ad a freshwater system and baths and public order…what have</em the Romans done for us?
We like our people!
They played a big part
in putting that Jebus guy up on a cross.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Pirri is going to the AHL All-Star Game
He’s 9th in the league in scoring
oh good for him! i watched some it last year, was interesting.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
One thing the Hayes, Olsen, and Shaw callups signal...
is that someone at the top understands this team lacks grit. Hopefully they will do more by or at the deadline.
Without Jammer this team would almost be as soft as last year.
They need their hits per game back closer to 2010 levels. Wishful thinking probably but that is what will be needed this playoff.
Someone send Bickell to a hypnotist or give him extra sugar/caffeine/sudafed before the game. Either that or just make him an usher.
were our hits really that much different in 2010? I thought we were always kind of on the low side
though lower now of course.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
Don't equate physical play
with hits. They are not synonymous.
I did specifically say hits but
would add physical play. They may not be synonymous but certainly related.
You can’t expect a team with a core like the Hawks to be at the top in hits but they should at least have some true checkers.
The nice thing about 10 was they had 2nd tier players (Ladd, Versteeg, Brouwer – even Eager at times) who could supply both the hits, the edge, and the scoring.
Stals may become a player like that…. Maybe Shaw and Hayes. But the time is now.
And Buff....
He was a league leader in hits that year. That was always one of the most annoying complaints people had about him.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
Ladd?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 4, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
I liked Ladd more than Buff
but this gif makes me miss Buff a lot. What a (lovable) dork.
by Katherine215 on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm in the same boat.
If only for his personality.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
I don't. I'm responding directly to a specific part of takeoffs comment
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
do you know what their numbers have been the last couple seasons?
I’m curious because the team was considered “soft” for the same reason (lack of hits) during the 2010 run, and look where that got us.
Also, don’t puck possession teams typically have lower hit stats since you’re not trying to separate your opponent from the puck when you already have it a lot of the time? I could understand an argument that our puck possession has not been as good lately, though, so I’d probably rather see improvement there than guys running around hitting people just to get the numbers up.
I don't know about hits per game but here are total hit stats
11-12:
Home-441
Road-250
Total-691
10-11:
Home-1062
Road-792
Total-1824
09-10:
Home-876
Road-679
Total-1555
08-09:
Home-736
Road-784
Total-1520
I'd really be curious
about a correlation between # of hits and time spent with a lead. My gut tells me that how much you’re hitting depends a great deal on whether you’re trailing or leading in a game. When you’re ahead, you’re a target, when you’re behind, you make the other guys a target. I imagine it’s part frustration and part trying to get the puck back so you can even things up.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
Hits are like blocked shots
There’s a tipping point at which more does not equal better.
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Changing signatures is for suckers.
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
haha, this cracks me up
we’re on pace to have our lowest hit totals in 4 years and we’re supposedly “grittier” than we were last year. Nice.
I do think there’s something to what 334Rules says, though. I’m just enjoying the irony.
believe we were "soft" during our cup run as well
I’d take the pillsbury doughboy on our squad if it meant another cup.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
I think people were looking for a weakness
to create narrative. That team had speed, skill, puck possession, a fantastic transition game, forward depth. It was basically – they’re small and you can push them around, and they have a rookie goalie. Not much else to choose from.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
we are NOT
trading for Kyle Wellwood, right!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
how about the stay puft marshmallow man
or who is the player someone said looks like a potato? One of my friends thinks a player looks like a Q-tip – but I forget who. Wacky descriptors like that crack me up.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
stay puft
is in better shape than Kyle, alright..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
It worked out so well for us
Or something
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Changing signatures is for suckers.
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
Hits
are also subjective as hell. Except for 08-09, home hits far exceeded road hits. Does that really mean that we hit substantially less on the road, or does it mean that the home scorekeepers are more generous with what gets called a hit?
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
agreed.
I think the stat is pretty much a joke because it is so subjective, and because it doesn’t reflect other aspects of the game (score, puck possession, etc). Like I said, I just think it’s funny that we were “soft” last year and we’re probably going to have 400 less hits this year when we’re “tougher.”
We were softer last year......
…..Stals ,last year was getting clobbered by everyone…..no one jumped in to help. This year against the Ducks, Brookbank gives Stal a face full of glove , Jammer jumped on Brookbank quickly , that was the end of Brookbank’s antics. Carcillo goes after Reaves, when Reaves clobbered Kane , Scott goes after Elkland after he clobbers Kruger. Don’t need more hits or fights ……just well timed hits or fights.
We are gritter then last year
Ver™
by ccm on Jan 4, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Those numbers are a surpise.
Imagine last year’s lineup. Hits and physicality are definitely not synonymous!
Apparently,
we’re not the only ones who talk about this, though.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
We've debated the topic a bit on FTF
And yes, there’s a very vocal segment of the fanbase who thinks the team is soft, and they’ll throw the hit stat out there.
It’s a flawed stat like +/-, but in context, I think it’s still useful.
The counter to the soft argument is usually the Fenwick %. The Sharks are one of the better 5v5 teams in the league by Fenwick, which would tend to tell you they tend to have the puck a lot and are playing with the lead.
If you have the puck and the lead, chances are, you’re not hitting people.
I don’t know the ‘Hawks Fenwick off hand, but I’m pretty sure you guys sit pretty in that stat this season as well. Hence, lower hit totals. Too busy scoring goals to hit people.
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Changing signatures is for suckers.
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
I don't want more "hits"…….just a relentless forecheck.
The forecheck is still weak at times…..I know Tazer and Hossa work their asses off but those are the guys I least want banging and crashing.
/puts on meatball hat
//I WANT LADD
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Well said.
Obviously there is a difference.
I’d like to see how Ruutu would look there… particularly in a contract year!
Jammer's among the league leaders in blocked shots
he may be in 1st place right now, but it augurs well regarding more evidence that his playing style is reverting to the 2009 – 2010 season, which means good things for the team in the second half.
It's Hjammer…..Jammer is Mayers.
Gotta be careful on that front these days..
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
I don't think
there’s any question that #4 has regained form as a young D-man with a very bright future. A welcome reversal of last year’s regression.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
I particularly like
how he’s shooting the puck these days. More willingness to get it on net, although it seems like he can’t buy a goal – it’s always deflected in by someone else.
Now make like a tree and get out of here
by SPECIAL SAUCE on Jan 4, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
This new hockey movie looks absolute fucking horrible.
I’m embarrassed for everyone involved with the project.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
is that "Goon"?
I’ve not heard so much about it.. but the words “Starring Seann William Scott” has the same warm attraction for me as the words “Alcohol-Free Beer”..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
read the imdb..
looks like Slap Shot with about 1/500th of the charm.. yuck
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
I watched the trailer for that movie
it looks hilaribad
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 8:01 AM CST up reply actions
there was actually somebody who rated their top hockey moves and had Goon on the list already from a pre screen
personally, i’m waiting for Breakaway. !!
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
I'm a hockey fanatic (duh) and my wife is Indian
so there’s approximately a 112.5% chance of me seeing that movie in the not-too-distant future. Not complaining – it looks like a curious mix between Bend It Like Beckham and Mighty Ducks – just commenting
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah I'm Indian myself, so this movie is right up my alley
And have been keeping an eye out for when it releases ever since I heard about it! Have you picked up the language at all in other movies you see? My brother in law (who isn’t Indian) will watch with me and my sister, but only if it has good subtitles
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Well, we know what this team *can* do when they try.
I guess it’s time to throw some of the meat into the deep end of the pool and see who wears fins and who wears clown shoes before we go to market with our bag of shiny new quarters.
How’s that for a mixed metaphor?
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It is only three lines long
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 4, 2012 4:00 PM CST reply actions
Nope, but still good. Makes fun of his extremely repetitive hand gestures.
You are next.
by M7 on Jan 4, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
AWESOME job by Broad Street Hockey
They caught the dude who beat up the Rangers fan at Geno’s steaks after the Winter Classic… through Facebook! Very cool. Well done by all involved over there.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 4, 2012 5:27 PM CST reply actions
if it's him
then this is an early front-runner for “Feelgood Hockey Story” of the Season.. the comment thread is hilarious too..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Bourque got 5 Games..
NHL.com has the details
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
while at NHL.com
I took a peek at the old conference table
Man, the Pacific is the “Special” Division this year (I know the Sha-Arks have 478 Games in hand but they have to win them, right?)
Look at the Kings.. they’d be good for..uh.. Sixth in the Central.. and, without the seeding, would be just creeping into the Playoff picture on Goal Difference from the Avs.. craziness…
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
How the mighty have fallen
The Pacific used to be a bloodbath.
The Doughty hold out and the lack of offense has killed the Kings. Anaheim is finally playing to their roster level. The Stars are adapting to live after Richards. And Phoenix is running out of the Tippet magic. And I still have no idea what version of the Sharks will take the ice on any given night. Our season will be decided during the February road trip. Either we’re a division winner, or we’re looking around for point handouts in March to make the dance.
On the other hand, the Central is suddenly packed to the gills with non-suckitude.
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Changing signatures is for suckers.
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
excluding the Beej of course..
They have enough Suckitude for three Divisions.
I still think the Sharks will come good and will top that Division.. but they’re looking a long way from the Champions an awful lot of Professional Writers were picking pre-season. that said, it’s only half-way.. there’s twists and turns yet in the road.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
If you replaced the Sharks and the Avs, you pretty much have all the cool teams in the Western Conference in the playoffs.
Sure the Oilers are cool, but rivalry wise, it would be awesome for the Hawks.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
yeah! good point
there’s not a single match-up there that you wouldn’t get excited about.. and there would be blood on the walls (not literally.. except for a St Louis Series, of course)
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
This would be a great year to beat them all
St. Louis-Vanoucver and Detroit in that order if I could pick. Then we beat them all and win the Cup and declare ourselves Champions of the Western Conference forever (as it goes away).
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
That would be truly, truly epic
We’d be gibbering, dishevelled wrecks with liver failure by the end of it.. but totally worth it!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
We’d be gibbering, dishevelled wrecks with liver failure by the end of it..
As opposed to other days that end in Y?
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Changing signatures is for suckers.
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
anniversar(y)?
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2012 3:49 AM CST up reply actions
As long as it's not Edmonton.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 4, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
SCUM for sure.
A nice parting-shot to the VAN-Rivalry would be a first-round elimination..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Detroit
Hands down
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 4, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
This Hawks team has proven time and again that it handles Vancouver well in the SCF.
Plus Detroit beat these guys there in 08-09. Beating Detroit would probably taste sweeter than beating Vancouer…again.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
I'm going to reconsider
with realignment, the ability to beat Detroit in the WCF is gone, we could still face Van in the final four, I’m flipping to Detroit
Just to beat them again when they are so close to getting to the Finals
I am strongly reconsidering though. Beating Detroit in the WCF would be pretty sweet
Definitely Vancouver
While Detroit is, well, Scum, the Canucks are fucking assholes led by a pair of ginger ballerina diving swedish water lilies. I can respect Detroit because they play a classy game (minus Bertuzzi obv) but Vancouver is just gross.
Now make like a tree and get out of here
by SPECIAL SAUCE on Jan 4, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Detroit for me
After years of them kicking our ass, I would love nothing more than seeing us win a Final against them. While this will never happen if it did Detroit would be my pick.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
I agree with all of this
but beating Detroit means we beat the class team and prob beat the diving twins on our way there, if it means we are in the Finals, I’d take it either way
I have not seen it
Any word on when Carbomb sees the Sherrif?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 4, 2012 7:18 PM CST reply actions
ah, got it
Jesse Rogers
Report saying Carcillo waived his right for in person hearing which means suspension COULD be longer than 5 games.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
what do we think of the Bourque suspension
in terms of precedent for Carcillogen?
(I know they’re different fouls, but we have the repeat/injury thing going in both)
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Carbomb is Fucked
Renee’s was not as bad, does not have the name that follows Carbomb, and Carcillo is now starring at serving his THIRD suspension this season which is not even half over yet, and second in a month or so for an illegal hit into the boards.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know Renee's was just as bad in a different way, imo.
Only he (and the guy he was aiming for) didn’t connect and do damage.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
yeah, they both did quick reoffences..
I actually thought Bourque might get 7 games as an example.. but then again, maybe BS is thinking he has an even better player to make an example of in Carcillo.. so 10 at least, you think?
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Here
Sassone’s twitter. (Other beats reported it, too, but that’s the first one I came across just now.)
I think its obvious to anyone that the Hawks are missing a top 6 player: C preferred, LW accepted.
However, I have yet to see anyone point to anyone in particular they want to fill that roll. We’ve got about 2 months before the deadline so it might just be a little early for trade wishes. Does anyone have anything? I’d like to see what people are thinking and even more than that, what you think it would cost in prospects to get there.
SCH moderator.
Shane Doan please. But probably impossible, he strikes me as the kind of guy that will want to end his career for whatever the Coyotes wind up being. I sense he’d feel like he was abandoning them. But my lord, Doan, Hossa and Toews bearing down on you?
www.mjt.org
Ray Borque should have retired a Bruin
But the allure of Lord Stanley was too much. Don’t discount Doan just yet.
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Changing signatures is for suckers.
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
what would it cost though?
Rock Vegas is loaded, but im wondering who looks most likely in certain scenarios
SCH moderator.
Loaded with what?
That team is awful.
by CjSax on Jan 4, 2012 8:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
unrealized potential and broken dreams
But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"
That sounds light
I’d be surprised if that’s all he gets
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm..
not sure.. it seems light but then I thought Bourque would get 7..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Lighter than it should be
Suppose they’re taking into account the fact that he broke himself in the process.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
recidivism - Not a pretty name, is it, Hi?
No, sir. That’s one bonehead name.
But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"
maybe it was Utah
I'm without a home.
by HawkJaw on Jan 5, 2012 4:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think the fact that Gilbert wasn't hurt too badly
was a factor. Shan always cites the level of injury to the victim. Somewhat surprised they didn’t try to pin RNH injury on him too, just for being Dan Carcillo. But I agree, seven games is somewhat light.
If graffiti changed anything it would be illegal
Gilbert himself
said he knew it was Carcillo coming, knew he was lining up a big one and said he should have taken a better angle. Not in any way excusing Carcillo, but it sounds like Gilbert admitted he put himself in a vulnerable position. Haven’t seen the video but perhaps that impacted the number.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
by 334Rules on Jan 4, 2012 9:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Seems more that Gilbert is indicating the type of player Carcillo is
And he’s not exactly wrong.
I thought it'd be more. but not bad. depending how much he's hurt he'll be out longer anyway
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
BullShit
Should have been more. Wizdouchsky got more for less IMO.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 4, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
That suspension is nothing but a crazy outlier
Using that as a rubric, Carcillo should have been beheaded at dawn.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
Carbomb was within the penumbra
of a hockey play. A couple of times Wiz just committed criminal acts on the ice.
Penumbra?
Think just because you got “standford” in your SN you can get away with dropping words like that, Justice Douglas?
Chicagoan in the Lou.
Even I knew what Penumbra was
I think????
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 4, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
it's that little town just outside of Boise isn't it?
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Maybe
But I was thinking of the type of thing I will not be seeing in these parts either on a solar or lunar variety basis until 2014 at the soonest! boooo! (well maybe in June since there is a partial for the Americas)
Why do I know this, I like photography and astrophotography (This one I took on this past Monday evening)
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 4, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
ooooh
I like! I take it you’re in a rural setting..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Kinda, do have light pollution which sucks
But that was a cold and clear night, the best for night sky photos.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 4, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
That's no moon...
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Jan 4, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Nice one
Your sig gives you away
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 4, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Had to say it
The girlfriend and I are in mid Star Wars marathon, my mind sees a lot more Star Wars jokes than normal right meow
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Jan 4, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
You're thinking of Penultimate
Which is the city you think is Boise when you drive there from the South, but isn’t. Boise is after…
But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"
I agree with Mike
if you’re going to use words like that, provide a definition so us (or just me) dumb lazy folks don’t have to look it up
yeah, I think so..
And Mike is right that the Wiz suspension was an aberration.. but 10 seemed right..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
If his injury puts him out for the year - it's anyones guess.
I’d say if he heals this season, very very high.
I highly doubt the manly men of the Hawks front office found the hit as offensive as the people here.
7 seems about right to me.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
I was figuring 8 - 10, so 7 is in the ballpark
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
so i asked this question earlier
and i think it got lost in the shuffle, so i’ll try it again:
what’s wrong with putting fro on the 2nd line with kaner and hoss? it seems that fro’s defensive prowess could be useful in offsetting kaner’s lapses. it also occurs to me that if fro is on the ice with 88 and 81, he could start to find that offensive game that supposedly used to exist.
Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you!
by Gozer the Traveler on Jan 4, 2012 7:35 PM CST reply actions
lol
someone literally just answered it. but i’d still like to hear a discussion.
Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you!
by Gozer the Traveler on Jan 4, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think Fro's in the doghouse right now.
Yes, he’s defensively responsible but he’s getting paid $2m to provide some secondary scoring and it just hasn’t been there. I saw a quote from Q the other day where he said Fro needs to pick up his game (mainly offensively). There’s also the thought that since Fro sometimes takes bad shots, he kind of ruins the cycle and/or chances for guys with better shots (Kane and Hossa) who you want to be taking shot attempts. Hopefully you get that last sentence, the word “shot” is in there too many times, I think.
by Katherine215 on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
I will refrain from making comments until you approve
Forgive me for overstepping your bounds.
Hold My Stones
What are the odds
Carcillo serves his time-out, heals and gets redemption before DePitro play a full 60 minute game in net?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 4, 2012 7:45 PM CST reply actions
For clarity before some asshole(s) ask
It has to be an NHL real game, Not AHL, not KHL or ECHL no NHL-12 or 94, a real no shit honest to God’s truth NHL game in net!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 4, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
dude..
you are aware that the Sun is likely to go Supernova sooner than that..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
quite likely
“Cut Here” in his surgeon’s handwriting.. but, being seriously, nothing I’ve heard aside from surgery rumours
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Why a delayed diagnosis for 13?
Any strange strategic reason to wait until after suspension news? MRI results don’t take that long.
by Karl Granitza on Jan 4, 2012 8:35 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
wait until after the suspension news, and probably until after the suspension is served
because if he’s going to be out with the injury for a while the ’Hawks would like to have him serve his suspension before placing him on IR
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, makes sense.
Thanks.
by Karl Granitza on Jan 5, 2012 8:31 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Of course, looking at some of the discussion below
There doesn’t appear to necessarily be any reason to believe that a suspension and time on the IR cannot be served concurrently…
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
he could have surgery and be "out" form it without being put on IR immediately
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
And now you have lost
Zambrano to the Marlins as well. Ok..maybe not as important.
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
I'm picturing Zambrano playing hockey
I’d give him 2 minutes before he clubbed somebody with his stick, probably his own goalie
Not going to miss him.
He’s just one in a line of professional athletes with a lot of talent that can’t keep their heads on straight. Actually, a little like Carcillo – some talent there, he just can’t get his brain under control long term.
by Katherine215 on Jan 4, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Habs put up 3 in 50 seconds to start the 3rd against the Jets
Eller just cheated and scored on a penalty shot for his fourth of the night; 7-2 Habs
by CjSax on Jan 4, 2012 8:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Anyone who might have Hainsey on a wish list
Woof.
by CjSax on Jan 4, 2012 8:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think I read somewhere the other day the Hawks had Hal Gill in mind too.
Take that for whats its worth
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
7 games for Carbomb.
The question is, what happens after that?
It may depend on how the kids do, or what Stan can work out.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 4, 2012 9:04 PM CST reply actions
I think his knee issues will be the decider
If he is healthy, I do not see the Hawks not playing him, but I am also sure Q, Stan and a few others are going to have a nice one-on-one way chat with him before then.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 4, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
He got off easy on the suspension
…but I think he has to be certified as healthy and off the IR before he can serve it. Right? Meaning the total amount of time he’s unavailable will be (recovery time from the knee problem)+(7 game suspension). Could be a while.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 4, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
this is what I thought and what the beat writers said on Twitter
but someone said yesterday this was not the case and the suspension is served immediately even if he can’t play. I wish there was a concrete answer on this.
by Katherine215 on Jan 4, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
I sent an email to Tracy asking her where she is getting her information.
Cause I can’t find anything in the CBA or NHL rulebook that states you have to be healthy to serve a suspension. The Blackhawks official site says the following:
Carcillo will miss games Jan. 5 at Philadelphia, Jan. 6 vs. Colorado, Jan. 8 vs. Detroit, Jan. 10 vs. Columbus, Jan. 12 vs. Minnesota, Jan. 14 at Detroit and Jan. 15 vs. San Jose. He will be eligible to return Jan. 18 vs. Buffalo
Until somebody comes back with something official, I still think the beat writers are wrong and the Blackhawks website is correct.
This seems concrete to me.
The Hawks would know, right? Thanks for sharing.
by Katherine215 on Jan 5, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Since Carcillo hasn't been put on IR
he should be eligible to play the next 7 games. Right now he’s listed with an undisclosed injury and wasn’t able to practice on Tuesday. Although I doubt it, he could be considered healthy enough to play against the Flyers tonight.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Dear Marcus Krueger:
Get well soon. – We are all hoping for a total (not a speedy) recovery. Hang in there kid.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Excited to see Olsen
This kid is legit. Potential is there to be a top 4 defensemen within two years. Montador is one of the rare mistakes of the Stan Bowman era…he’s a pretend defenseman and fancies himself as a Brian Campbell clone. He’s been a lot more dreadful than many of us care to admit, so I won’t miss him sitting on the IR for a week. Even when you’re the 5th d-man, there are expectations for blueline work that have to be met. O’Donnell and Scott are equally “effective” in the blueline department compared to Montador. That says something bad.
Kruger? Hope the kid heals. He’s a huge talent. To watch him skate? Move the puck? Think two moves ahead? A thing of beauty. He can be a Dave Bolland type that scores, meaning a center of great value in the NHL. Just heal kid.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
He's prone to the occasinoal mistake.
But name me a hawk who isn’t right now (and isn’t named Hossa or Toews.)
I wouldn’t call Monty Dreadful, but I see your point. Turnovers, bad positioning, but these are team symptoms, not just Monty symptoms.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
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