Morning Links (1/5)

The Ban-Hammer cometh and smote Carcillo a mighty seven games. Not much to complain about there: Keith Stone is guilty as charged, and a repeat, repeat, repeat offender. Carcillo might be out for the season, anyway; his leg bent at an angle that might've made Joe Theismann wince.
With Carcillo out and with Kruger and Monty also hanging out with Hawkeye Pierce, Bowman sounded the bugle for reinforcements from Rock Vegas.
Instead of one of the usual suspects, we'll get a look at Andrew Shaw and Dylan Olsen.
Olsen thinks of himself as a puck rusher, but his skates haven't quite caught up to his monster frame. He is surprisingly mobile for his size, though, and moves the puck well when he doesn't overhandle it. He also has a booming shot despite his underwhelming numbers in Rockford. Olsen has an edge to his game as well, which may come in handy against the Flyers.
Look for Shaw to be the fiberglass on the Flyers' toilet seat tonight. Shaw's toolbox is very similar to Carcillo's, and it appears he'll get his start on the Toews line. He'll have to agitate responsibly AND produce if he wants to stay there. I'm sure Morin showed him his collar burn from being yanked off the top line after only a handful of shifts.
Razor gets the start in net tonight.
Time to link it up...
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Game Previews: (blackhawks.nhl.com); (Trib)
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Think Carcillo has worn the Indianhead for the last time? Cheer the Anthem's Jim Nakis says not so fast
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Ahhhh. Myers recalls sweet Stanley Cup memories
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Kuc wonders if Kane will remember his scoring touch along with the Cup win
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Hawks want another Winter Classic (CSN Chicago)
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You're not really working, anyway, so tune in to the latest episode of Third Man In radio
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Rangers coach Tortorella fined 30 large for calling Classic officiating "disgusting"
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JR is still in awe of the Winter Classic
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NHL.com stats and recaps of last night's games: Jets 3, Habs 7; Bruins 6, Devils 1; Wild 0, Nyucks 3; Sharks 3, Ducks 1
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really cool
slideshow on the hawks website going through the evolution of THE JERSEY for their 85 segments
the coach from the barberpole era looks like stanbow transported back in time.
Nice find
The 1951 jersey is unexpectedly very modern in appearance, but obviously lacks the boldness that makes the Hawks’ jersey the best in sports.

by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
The jersey has barely changed at all (and he Indian head hasn't) since the late 50's
Awesome bit of tradition, that.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 5, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Couple extra links because we love to talk trades 'round these parts
Saw this tweet from Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuce this morning.
bruce_arthur Bruce Arthur
If Rick Nash could be had, along with Getzlaf, etc, the NHL trade market could actually get … interesting. Imagine.
Here’s the link to Rick Nash possibly being available.
Here’s the link to the Ducks beat writer for the LA Times. Scroll down, lots of good info in a conversation with Bob Murray. Everyone but Selanne and Koivu being shopped.
Discuss.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 8:53 AM CST reply actions
I would love Getzlaf
However, if Anaheim is serious in wanting another core player, I don’t know how the Blackhawks could realistically trade for him.
Gezlaf? Have you seen him play this year? No no no no no no
Dude just looks like he can’t be bothered to give a single shit, let alone 2…
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
Change of scenery and all that
Don’t tell me you wouldn’t salivate over a possible Sharp-Getzlaf-Hossa 2nd line. Hell, I won’t be able to leave my desk for the next 15 minutes just thinking about it.
If I played for the Ducks this year, I probably wouldn’t give a shit either.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
It's possible
but I would expect that a new head coach would have a similar effect, and he hasn’t looked ANY different under Boudreau than he did under Carlyle
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
I would take any of them
but if it requires giving up another core player, then you really have to think about it and maybe just saying no. We are in first and I would look elsewhere if it required giving up a core member
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Seriously?
From 07-08 through 10-11, he scored 318 points in 291 games. You’re going to take 38 games of this season, on a turbulent (and crappy) Ducks squad, over a 1.1 point-per-game pace during the previous 4 years?
Unlikely as it may be that this trade happens without losing one of our core players, can you honestly say you wouldn’t like to see something like Sharp-Getzlaf-Hossa on the 2nd line?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying
The Ducks are not exactly a dramatically different squad than they were last year, when they were the 4th seed in the west, yet they are currently only 1 point ahead of the atrocious Blue Jackets and 19 (NINETEEN!!!) points out of the 8th seed. Getzlaf wears the C, he’s supposed to be their leader and their driving force and instead he looks like he doesn’t even want to be on the ice. I don’t think it’s even remotely a stretch to say that Anaheim would at least be in playoff contention if he were playing like he was for the previous 4 years. People were saying that Ovechkin got Boudreau fired in Washington, but I think it’s far more accurate to say that that Getzlaf got Randy Carlyle fired. The only one of Anaheim’s big 3 that I would REALLY be excited about seeing in a ’Hawks sweater would be Bobby Ryan.
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
or Sharp-Nash-Hossa...perhaps.
I know he’s a winger, but Sharpie’s been center before, right?
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
too many shooters
it’s the exact reason Jeff Carter isn’t working out for Rick Nash
all right, this isn't going to be big on dignity
So we have the opportunity to grab a great player, and dont because he's a shooter?
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Kane centering Nash and Hossa would be some dynamic offense
However, just look at Nash’s contract. He’s not coming here.
I think that was just a comment on your proposed line of Sharp-Nash-Hossa
and why it wouldn’t work
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by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I see.
Well, mea culpa maxima, but he would still be awesome on this team.
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
No way in hell Columbus would trade Nash here
It’s one thing to talk about picking up pieces from Anaheim – the ‘Hawks and Ducks may be in the same conference now, but once realignment kicks in they won’t be anymore and the ‘Hawks won’t be any more of a direct competitor to the Ducks than any current eastern conference team. The ‘Hawks and the BJ’s on the other hand will remain together, no way does any team trade their captain and the best player their franchise has ever had to a team they’ll have to play 6 times every regular season and a distinct possibility in the playoffs should they get there.
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Espcially not with the new conference setup.
That would be as stupid as trading Chelios to the Red Wings.
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Like Hossa going to the Blackhawks after being on the Scum?
I know it wasn’t a trade, but still…
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, when you have Johan Franzen, you don't need guys like Marian Hossa.
Amirite?
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And if the Hawks offered a lot of young, high-talent prospects?...
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Nothing short of Cap'n Serious himself would get Columbus to trade Nash to the 'Hawks
So no
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of what they're trying to do?
They have a strong single player already in Rick Nash. They’ve got jack squat around him. What they need is more depth and roleplayers, not the best player in the NHL.
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Uncle Dale is the perfect fit
Cap space, splash to be made, picks to deal, talent in the system, cap space, Eastern Conference and oh, did I mention they have like 10 million in cap space? Because they have like 10M in cap space.
/cap space
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I'm honestly shocked
that they’d give up on Getzlaf because of one bad year.
all right, this isn't going to be big on dignity
They'd give him up because they are blowing it up and starting over
Not because he had a bad year. Gotta give something to get something.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but that's the crazy part
they’re not blowing it up and they’re not starting over if Bob Murray is to be believed
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Apparently, Bob Murray isn't looking for picks or prospects
He’s looking for a core player or players in return for any of his big names. Which is idiotic. If that’s actually what he thinks then he’s operating on the ridiculously delusional ideas that a) the Ducks are still in playoff contention, b) the Ducks already actually have anything that could be thought of as “depth”, and c) his team’s prospect pool isn’t entirely barren. I mean fuck it, if we’re playing make believe anyways then John Scott is a Norris candidate and I’m the goddamn Batman
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of Murray and idiotic GM decisions
AnaheimCalling has a really interesting take on what Murray’s time in Chi-town (remember the year he traded fifteen times in one season?) portends for the garage sale he’s planning now.
SPOILERS: they’re not optimistic.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh
by Steeg of their own on Jan 5, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the link :)
You guys can have Getzlaf. His talent has peaked. He’s won it all and has no desire for individual awards. He got the ‘C’ and now he’s done.
Since I won’t get Toews in the trade for Getz, I want Sharpe.
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Ummm...NO
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
And the e on Sharp is silent
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Silent and invisible. Since my last name has a silent ‘E’, everyone else does too :)
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wrong
your last name is pronounced knee-ail-ee
I’m surprised you’ve gone this long mispronouncing it…
But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"
I'm sure this will be unpopular
but you can have Bolland + Pirri and a pick for him
I doubt we'd get rid of Bolland
But that would mean 6 times a year where he ruins the Canucks’ lives. I would love watching that.
You can have
Sharpe. You cannot have Sharp.
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
In my fantasy world, Getzlaf would be a Hawks rental
His salary could easily fit in this season. He’s got one more year at a little more than $5 million. Depending on the salary cap, the Olesz situation, and other roster moves, the Hawks could conceivably keep him along with the other 4 core top-6 forwards for next year. (Assuming they didn’t trade one of the core forwards, of course, but I think that’s a pretty safe assumption.)
After next year, however, he’ll be getting paid, so the Hawks would probably end up trading his negotiating rights before July 1st.
Of course, this is all wild speculation that likely will never amount to anything. But it’s at least fun to think about.
Olesz
Holy shit I forgot that guy even existed.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
"Rusty Olesz" sounds like a somewhat disturbing sex act
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
So you've seen him play....
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 5, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, one more. Regarding overtime and the possibility of 20 min OT periods in regular season
Copper and Blue had a good post about this yesterday that I read. Even provided empirical data for the length of playoff overtime games and how many actually went longer than 10 minutes. I liked the 3 on 3 portion as well. Still undecided on playing until someone wins because invariably there would be a game with 40 minutes of OT on the first or second half of a back-to-back and that would chap some coaches’ asses. Also, I’m an advocate of the 3-2-1 system. 3 for regulation win, 2 for OT/SO win, 1 for SO/OT loss and 0 for regulation loss. Still, it’s a good read.
And no, I am not a closet Oiler fan despite my constant banging of the trade for Ales Hemsky drum and my constant linking of C&B pieces. They just do good work over there. They sure as hell have a lot of time for it what with their hockey team being pretty dreadful to watch… except when playing us.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 AM CST reply actions
The Oilers have been plagued by injuries this year - they are not that bad.
hemsky is a great set up man – not sure he’s Q’s type of player. he’d most likely be available though and unless we can get a Ryan/Getzlaf/Nash (pie in the sky?), we’re most likely going to have to settle for the next notch below.
Hemsky
For those who watched the Hawks/Oilers game at home, how ’bout that tirade Foley went on about Hemsky? (re: Hemsky avoiding contact) wow.
Let's Go Hawks!
Chris Block pointed out on his podcast that Foley went after Eager all night…..then Eager puts the dagger in the Hawks.
Shut up, Pat.
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Razr in net
A day off for Crow, or an attempt by Q to make up for a wounded offense with what will hopefully be more solid net minding?
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 5, 2012 9:17 AM CST reply actions
I don't think it's a referendum on Crawford
Razor hasn’t played in a good while now, so he’s due for a shot. I bet Crawford’s in for the next contest.
and it's a back to back.
He probably would have played one of the two, and doesn’t the backup often get the road game?
by Katherine215 on Jan 5, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Yup. Seems totally natural to play Emery tonight.
Crow didn’t have the best game against Edmonton and Razor is a former Flyer.
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Ouoch, forgot about the back to back with Scum in Scumland tomorrow.
This should help reveal the character of this team.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Jan 5, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
also giving Razor a shot
against his old team, which often happens, doesn’t it?
all right, this isn't going to be big on dignity
Tortorella was right
The NHL called its integrity into question by poor officiating, not by Tortorella’s comments. They should have fined the officials. Perception is reality — everyone I know who watched that game said it seemed like the NHL was trying to force the game into overtime. Now I know the NHL would not try to do this — but again, perception is reality.
There were definitely some chickenshit calls on New York towards the end of the game
Like that penalty shot? I dunno about you, but I never saw a hand over the puck or any attempt by Ryan McDonagh to cover it up himself… Calling the matching minor on Callahan, however, was IMO 100% the right call. I get how that could look like the refs trying to keep it even strength so that the Flyers would still have a chance to tie it up instead of giving the Rangers a PP on an obvious hook by Timonen, but when Timonen’s stick touched Callahan’s shoulder he IMMEDIATELY grabbed onto it and went down like he’d been shot.
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
There's no need for a hand on the puck for a penalty shot call to be made
NHL rule 63.5: “No defending player, except the goalkeeper, will be permitted to fall on the puck, hold the puck, pick up the puck, or gather the puck into the body or hands when the puck is within the goal crease. For infringement of this rule, play shall immediately be stopped and a penalty shot shall be ordered against the offending team.”
Note that it says “or”: meaning that any one of those four listed actions in the crease calls for a penalty shot. The Ranger player clearly fell on the puck in the crease and the refs got the call right.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 5, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Did he fall, hold onto, pick up or gather the puck though?
I thought it looked like he dove into the crease and tried to push it out, but it’s been a few days since I saw the play. I feel like I’ve seen that done by other defensemen before and no PS was called.
by Katherine215 on Jan 5, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with you
I didn’t see McDonagh attempt to fall on the puck, hold the puck, pick up the puck, or gather the puck into his body or hands – I saw him trying to knock it away from the goal and give his goalie a chance to cover it up which is perfectly legal.
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
He definently tucked it into his body with his right elbow with the puck right next to the goal line
The in-goal cam caught this very clearly, and the ref was in perfect position to catch it. A PS was the correct call by far!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 5, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I saw the tucking (gathering) motion too
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Watch this
And you clrearly see he fell directly onto the puck and used his right arm to keep it from squirting out, all while the puck was moving toward the goal line only inches away from it.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 5, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know
The timing on his dive into the crease is close, but I thought it was more he was blocking it and tried to push it under Henrik’s leg. To me, it was a bit of a nitpicky call but oh well.
by Katherine215 on Jan 5, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Seems really obvious to me from that replay
that he intentionally fell on the puck which is all that the rule requires for a penalty shot. It’s less clear whether he also tried to hold the puck under his body or whatever, but that’s not required for the call.
by Paul the Fossil on Jan 5, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
It does not even need to be intentional
Just like a DBL Minor High Stick. I doubt it was intentional but a DBL Minor it is regardless. He fell on the puck in the crease.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 5, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't necessarily think it was a dive
but he definitely did grab the stick in order to make it look like a more blatant hook, and the fall was incidental. Same result, though; offsettings was the right call.
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Man, that Jim Nakis is a meathead
Thank jebus he doesn’t comment over here.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 9:53 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I think you're right about his potential as a member of the White Sox
He still has that “go to” pitch…

Fits right in if you ask me.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
oh god that looks so wrong
and yet so right.
Now if only you could shop out that silly black jersey he and Biscuit are wearing…
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
rec!
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Jan 5, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
From Rogers's twitter
Hawks on ice. I asked Kane to re-enact winning goal and celebration from SCF and I would run video. Looked at me like I’m crazy,said “maybe”
When Kaner has a better sense of restraint and decorum than you, maybe it’s time to hang ’em up, Jesse.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." ~gmh
by Steeg of their own on Jan 5, 2012 10:33 AM CST reply actions
Seriously, how is this guy allowed to continue to hold a job?
Jesse needs a timeout and go sit in the corner.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I know viewer numbers were down for 24/7 this time
But I really hope it comes back next year. Would love to see the Hawks on it whenever its their turn again. I also think it’d be awesome to do a playoffs version, where they follow a team or a few teams through it til the end.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
I hope they bring it back as well
Great show. Also I think the playoff version first wouldn’t ever happen. It’s too intense and management wouldnt’ allow players in that scenario or a lot of push back on it. Also I think it wouldn’t be as fun because of the importance. The WC is in the middle of the season and can enjoy alot more than if your fighting for a spot.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
One idea that Wysh and Marek brought during yesterday's podcast
was to do a 24/7 series based on the trade deadline. Put a camera on the GMs around the league and show the wheeling and dealing. I doubt it would fly, but man that would be awesome.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Would that be awesome? Emphatically yes
Would it ever happen? There’s probably a better chance of an original 6 franchise re-locating this summer than there is of any GM in the league allowing cameras to film what they’re doing and how they’re negotiating behind the curtain…
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Too inside/nerd
casual fans can get interested in 24/7 for the players, the personalities and the hardships. A show focusing on the GM’s at the deadline would be too insidery to appeal to casual fans.
Last year the Hawks picked up Campoli. I can’t imagine the behind the scenes story of acquiring Campoli being particularly interesting to anyone but the most hardcore of hockey fans.
Went a little something like this...
Bryan Murray; I have naked pictures of you humping a sheep Stan, but if you want them, you’ll give us a 2nd for Campoli.
Stan Bowman: That’s harsh dude, but since we kinda need a 6th dman and since I really don’t want my wife and father seeing those pictures, we have a deal.
That's true - as a fan it would be awesome, but can see how it would be problematic for the team/players
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by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
The thing about HBO is that it's not even remotely as ratings-driven as network and regular cable TV
They’ve got subscribers, who are paying regardless of whether or not they watch that 1 show, and they don’t have commercials so they don’t have to be concerned with the rates that advertisers are willing to pay. Add that to the fact that HBO shows are viewed on a multitude of other platforms than just on TV when they’re aired – On Demand, HBO GO apps for tablets and phones, on HBO’s website, etc. all of which you need to subscribe to HBO in order to access – and you also realize that traditional ratings aren’t an accurate measure of the popularity and sell-ability of shows on HBO. From what I gather (both from the PD article you linked and a few other things I’ve read) the return of 24/7 has absolutely nothing to do with ratings and absolutely everything to do with the fact that the creator of it (and HBO’s other sports documentaries) is now working for the NHL and has been replaced as the head of HBO Sports so it really boils down to whether the new guy wants to keep going with the old guy’s project or clean house and make HBO Sports his own thing.
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
This, exactly
HBO doesn’t have to worry about viewer numbers so much, especially since they re-run shows on their channels more than any other network. The buzz around the show hasn’t died and I don’t think there’s a reason for the new guy to pull it or even change it much.
I really hope they continue 24/7
It’s so great. I bought the Pens/Caps series for Christmas and I just got it yesterday. I’m so excited. Sucks there’s no bonus features. HBO is pretty disappoint when it comes to special features.
I haven't seen that either. You'll have to tell me how it is!
I’ll prob get this series though since I like the Rangers.
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I don't even like either team but it's soooooooooo good
I saw on the reviews that they don’t have the same music on the DVD as they did when it was aired on tv. Have you watched this season at all? I’ve downloaded the first three eps.
The Pens/Caps series was great as well
I don’t know about the DVD music vs the aired music, but HBO did a great job of highlighting each individual player and the character of the team. If you’ve read the article on puck daddy, it references the timeline where one team is on a winning streak, and the other a losing, and it does dominate the narrative, but for me it made the two seasons, for all their similarities, very differing viewings.
just watched the last episode
Even though it includes my team and so I’m loving every second of it I think the Pens-Caps series was better. Felt more impromptu and there were fewer cliches.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 5, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm really surprised no one has linked this
Worst article I’ve ever seen on PD (although McClure might disagree). I know the Nucks hate is sometimes over the top, but this article just reinforces the stereotype of why they, and a portion of their fanbase, are ridiculed.
Why I like the Sedin Twins, and why you don’t
The ever-defensive plea for acceptance is over the top, and Mooney has done that more than a few times since he joined PD. But what really gets me is the assumption that the twins are disliked because they are European and North American hockey fans are “ethnocentric.” Isn’t about 20% of the league currently from overseas? Wow, just wow. Reach much?
They’re not divers dammit. Well, maybe they are – but EVERYONE does it. But that doesn’t make then divers. It’s just more ethnocentric hatred:
Sure, they’ve embellished an infraction in their day…Truth is, every team has plenty of guys who make sure the refs notice when they’ve been interfered with, and the Sedins are no worse than most.
And they’re not weak. The fact that Henrik got “speedbagged” in the finals actually is a sign of strength and their dedication:
Heck, they’re so dedicated to their pursuit of the man advantage that they’ll happily get speedbagged if it means they see power-play time. People used this as evidence of their weakness, but a willingness to take a punch for what you believe in doesn’t seem all that sissy to me.
Wow, that’s dedication. I suddenly feel very patriotic. But if I recall, didn’t Boston end up on the PP because Henrik whined to the ref? Doh!
Then he links to an article, The Soft Sedin Myth, by a writer from his own blog as proof that the Sedins aren’t soft. The assumption and flaws are so obvious that even the writer admits to some of them but discounts one of the major flaws because “personally, I don’t find this a very satisfying explanation.” Alrighty! Let’s just throw that out then. The biggest flaw he doesn’t even mention, that teams that are trailing tend to hit more. Double doh!
And don’t forget that just because Boston beat them in the finals by playing tough doesn’t mean you can beat the Nucks and win the Cup by playing tough! Just look at their regular season stats, like I’m doing in my article! Didn’t they only have 1 goal combined against the Bruins? Doh! Doh! Doh!
And dammit, why weren’t the twins included in any of the Top 10 goals on PD? Here’s a couple examples – because I’m needier than CNS selling Streetwise – and they’re not even their best goals. Why are they being overlooked??
I really enjoy most of the commenters over at NM and think it’s one of the best SBN blogs, but articles like this are exactly why many view the Nucks players, organization, writers, and much of their fanbase as delusional, with a little brother complex. It shows.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 10:42 AM CST reply actions
Truth is, the Sedins get a bad rep because people don’t want to like them
Yup. That explains it.
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And don't forget "they backcheck just fine"
This is proven by their PlusMinus.
Wha??
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Plus minus is the be all and end all of hockey stats
It shows you are on the ice for more goals scored than for goals against therefore they play defense. Their high plus minus has nothing to do with their offensive zone starts.
I have to agree with you that the bias and pleading for other people to rationalize the way Nucks fans do comes on pretty strong. I can’t understand why people with hated players on their teams don’t just own it. It’s not like anything else involved in team affiliation and loyalty is rational, why break something trying to force it?
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The reason I don't give them respect as hockey players
is that they are always linked together. You never talk about one without the other which to mean diminishes their achievements and value. In no other situation would either one of the Ginger twins be as good by themselves as they are together. All the other stuff feeds into it (the diving, complaining, the soulessness, the creepy looks they give each other, but when you boil it down they will never get the respect players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Toews, Stamkos get because they have literally been together since birth.
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by TazerNation19 on Jan 5, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
oh yeah,
and because this will be their greatest achievement as players 
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by TazerNation19 on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
The Twins are very good offensive players. Great skill set. But they're not the best players in hockey.
Why is it so important for them to be lauded every year? Why do they need to be campaigned for/defended/praised on a regular basis? They get lots of points each season. Isn’t that enough? Why must we be subjected to hearing about their willingness to dive for the team toughness and charity work? In fact, why must we be subjected to hearing about the Canucks at all? They’re leading the conference in points. Enjoy it and shut up.
Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?
"why many view the Nucks players, organization, writers, and much of their fanbase as delusional, with a little brother complex"
When you have a GM who holds a press conference to whine about reffing, a coach who regularly whines about reffing and goal-tender intereference in his postgame comments, players who collapse to the ice on contact, and fans who make YouTube video montages explaining the injustices done to their team…..That pretty much explains why there’s so much love for the Nucks. (And the riot was the NHL’s fault, too!)
Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?
the sedins can suck it
i dont like them, i dont like their team, i dont like the way they play and i dont like their stupid faces. and there’s nothing you can do about it, mooney!
I mostly just ignored it
because Mooney is so full of shit he squeaks. But one thing stuck in my craw (maybe because I’m European) and that was the “Hated because they’re Not North American” bollocks.
So..
Pavel Datsyuk: revered throughout the league despite who he plays for
Niklas Lidstrom: Pretty much the same..
Ovie: Not especially loved but considered the Face of the Sport with Sid out of the picture
Zdeno Chara: Again, unloved but much respected
Henrik Lundqvist: Smart choice for one of the top two or three in the league right now
Teemu Selanne: Again, pretty much adored by all (even us)
Anze Kopitar, Tomas Vokoun, Evgeni Malkin, Wojtek Wolski (just kidding).. the list goes on
And these are just current players!
I calls bullshit. Plus, I’m European and i can’t effing stand the Sedins!
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You're not European
You’re Irish. Big difference.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
uh..
whut? we’re very pro-Europe here.. (aside from our nearest neighbour.. in fact maybe one of the big reasons we are is to annoy the Brits )
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I was just goofin'
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
is to annoy the brits
any excuse…..
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 5, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
As a long time defender of Joe Thornton
I can’t fault Mooney too much for the article. I think his arguments aren’t all that strong, but I understand where he’s coming from.
I give the Sedins just as much grief as anyone, but I can’t deny they are a very unique set of talents, and they do things very few other players or player combinations can do.
I’ll continue to mock them for their post-season performance combined with their seemingly arrogant attitude towards said post-season.
And, as far as the +/- argument, I seem to recall a -9/-11 split for the pair last go around. So, yeah.
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Well, that's my exact problem with the article
If you’re going to go out on THAT limb as a writer on a nationally read blog, as a fan of the team, you’d better “bring it.” The fact that his arguments are extremely weak is what makes the article “embarrassing” IMO.
I personally could have come up with better supporting arguments than Mooney.
(Well, um, maybe. Not sure if the evidence to love the Sedins is out there)
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Not only that
he seemed to recognize that he had a weak hand so he went for quantity in the hopes that a bunch of bullshit would aggregate into something worthwhile. Instead the only thing that compounded was the article’s ineffectiveness.
PD Comments are in superb standing today
Tort fined for speaking his mind (rightfully so fined)
Wow, just wow. They are okay to read if you do not take them seriously, otherwise don’t!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 5, 2012 10:49 AM CST reply actions
just a question - are the refs ever taken to task for calls that are really bad/make no sense in the game?
I don’t mean fines necessarily, just forced re-training or something?
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
good question
I would hope there would be some kind of progressive discipline for repeated bad calls.
Let's Go Hawks!
If they are I haven't heard anything about it
Somehow I doubt it
This mural is amazing. My kid is so getting one.
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by JuliaM on Jan 5, 2012 10:59 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
that may be the greatest piece of art ever created
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Screw getting one for my kid
I’m getting one for me!
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Fuck Radim Vrbata.
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jan 5, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
It's minor but it bugs me. Why is everyone righthanded?
The mural is pretty awesome though. I especially like Kieth as toothless.
Now I get it
I was trying to figure out why Keith was a dragon. I forgot his name was toothless.
SCH moderator (may the force be with me) and tweets @tivogoddess
What I'm wondering is...
why Seabs is Eddie Munster.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jan 5, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I did the same thing a couple of years ago
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
The random photo generated of Sam
is PRICELESS. Should be part of a Mastercard commercial.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
They do look a lot alike.
Heck, for all we know, Eddie Munster grew up to be biscuit.
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
My 5 yr old and I love that movie
I thought that was great too.
I find the Indianhead logo at center ice rather humorous though. When did he get the bouffant hairdo? Must have happened during the 60’s update.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 5, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
How to Train Your Dragon
and Toy Story 3 are great movies to watch even without kids.
I'll agree with How to train your dragon
Great movie and watched about 3x with my daughter and about 2x without.
I love that mural though. Man, why can’t I have any artistic ability
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Toy Story 3 was awesome. I still tear up at the trash inferno scene
I think I’m man enough to admit that.
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
/hands tissue
I do too. It’s cool. We can admit it. I took a date to that movie and I think I may have teared up more than she did.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
I still haven't seen Toy Story 3 yet, but How to Train Your Dragon was amazing
I can and have watched it over and over again
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by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
That's money.
I would have to make room for Fireman Sam in there for my son but otherwise awesome.
You are next.
by M7 on Jan 5, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Post pic....?
Can’t open link at work :(
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that is fantastic, wow
and keith as toothless <3
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
and lol kane as roadrunner
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I like Giroux as Darth Vader
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 5, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
but then away again
because he kept trying to catch and eat Brion Gionta Schtroumpf
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
I'm just waiting for BLou
to come along and start rubbishing the play of Road Runner.. and remind us that the Cup wasn’t won on home ice and how that mural should be painted over.
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Follow up on Hits issue from yesterday:
I didn’t have a chance to put it together until this morning, but i don’t think you can draw much correlation between hits and wins. To the extent you can, it would seem to lesser teams do the most hitting, which would make sense since they’re often trailing in games. Below is last year’s final rank in hit totals by team, along with that team’s season-ending rank in points:
Team Hits / Pts
NYR 1 / 18
CBJ 2 / 24
PIT 3 / 4
DAL 4 / 16
CAR 5 / 19
LA 6 / 12
TOR 7 / 22
STL 8 / 20
ANA 9 / 9
PHI 10 / 3
FLA 11 / 28
WAS 12 / 2
PHX 13 / 11
MIN 14 / 21
CHI 15 / 13
NYI 16 / 27
SJS 17 / 5
EDM 18 / 30
DET 19 / 6
VAN 20 / 1
BOS 21 / 7
COL 22 / 29
NSH 23 / 10
CAL 24 / 17
OTT 25 / 26
MON 26 / 14
TAM 27 / 8
NJD 28 / 23
ATL 29 / 25
BUF 30 / 15
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
doesn't look like a very strong correlation there.
Besides Pittsburgh, Atlanta, and New Jersey, not much relationship between strong/weak-hitting teams and high points.
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Wheel of Justice on Krys Barch
OnFrozenPond: #FlaPanthers Krys Barch suspended one game for insensitive remarks.
jessespector #FlaPanthers Krys Barch suspension was under Colin Campbell’s purview, not Brendan Shanahan’s.
bruce_arthur As many of you point out, Krys Barch is just lucky he didn’t accuse P.K. Subban of anything involving sloppy seconds.
all right, this isn't going to be big on dignity
Unfuckingreal.
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Ryan Lambert bringing up some good points.
Why was Simmons not suspended for using a gay slur?
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Probably because in this case the ref heard it, even while no one else (including Subban) did, while in the
Simmonds case, despite it being pretty clear what he said, refs and everyone else claimed to not have heard it and he said he didn’t say it, so they chose not to believe Avery.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
do be clear, I absolutely think simmonds should have been, the response from
campbell and the refs was total bs
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
The ref thought he heard something
that literally everyone else denied hearing or saying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lN7V4_Gx0
"I know, Chicago will be cold, tomorrow,
Let's cash in on our thin blood and have another one."
Apparently some players told Subban they heard Barch say something, but they didn't know what
So people heard something, but the ref was the only one who heard a racist remark. I don’t know if he did or not. If he did, he absolutely should get suspended, and as tweeted, you’d think he’d get more then a player got hit with for a douchey remark about an ex off the ice. But again, the difference between this one and Simmonds was that the ref denied hearing anything with Simmonds, and they deemed the video inconclusive (which is total bs), meanwhile this time even though the ref was the only one to hear something, they are trusting in his judgement, right or wrong.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
by justforkicks on Jan 5, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Also
keep in mind that it was Sean Avery, perhaps one of the least popular guys to lace up skates. Despite the offensive-ness of the word used, I’m pretty sure all involved said “yeah, but it was Avery, so fuck him.”
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
if that's the case it is extremely shitty. yeah people don't like avery but man, fuck those biased bastards.
"Well now you're just talking like Foghorn Leghorn!"
It was

Because Avery is

So goes justice in the animal kingdom
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 5, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
avery's had his teeth fixed, I see..
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by mightymike D on Jan 5, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The bet
These guys are getting praised for their work solving a crime, and rightfully so.
But … aren’t these the same guys who never paid off their cheesesteak bet? Did that ever get paid?
Philidelphia fans being dicks
is extremely surprising.
Saw that yesterday and threw it in the IR thread
I really hope those guys get some public recognition for that. Travis Hughes is a good dude, too. BSH has done some great work this year on zone entry and shooting % stats. I make them a regular visit for my hockey reading.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Headed to the game tonight
I’m bringing a 4’11" coworker as backup in case things get out of hand
Afroman likes tall cans... of Daisy Cutter Pale Ale
Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.
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by 334Rules on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
short people have an advantage over tall people.
We can get between the legs and reach really tender places
by northernsails on Jan 5, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Hurling a 4'11" person at a group of people
Could do quite a bit of damage I think
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No comments on the ridiculous ASG voting yet?
I mean, it only makes sense that the current #6 seed has 4 starters in the game.
And that those 4 starters are a combined -9.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jan 5, 2012 11:14 AM CST reply actions
I never expect the ASG to be anything short of ridiculous.
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I used to think the ASG was ridiculous
but since Sharp is the reigning MVP I have come to realize it is the most important barometer in sports. It’s certainly more important than the President’s Trophy.
You know what they should do to make it more important?
Make the winning team decide who hosts the Stanley cup finals…
And since the teams are drafted (is this still the case?)
It should be a Mario Kart game between the two highest performing players on the winning team, one from each conference
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Skills Competition > ASG
So long as they don’t fuck that up, I don’t really care.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 5, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Skills Competition > ASG
This is very true.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Jan 5, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
As long as they don't ever do something really fucking stupid
like follow baseball’s example and try to make the ASG relevant by tying home ice advantage to winning the ASG (doesn’t seem possible with the new non-east-v-west format and with the realignment next year) I really couldn’t care less. It’s the all star game, it’s meaningless. Honor for the players who are selected sure, and it was cool as hell when I was a kid, but at this point I couldn’t possibly care less about it. I do agree with you about the skills competition, and I enjoy watching that, but I really don’t even watch the actual game anymore
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by FrankStallone on Jan 5, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
What they should do is have a shooting competition..........
But after so many shots it would just end in a tie. (get it?)
Hold My Stones
The ASG is fun because
you get to see players on different teams interacting with each other.
That’s why I like watching it. Plus I don’t mind a game among all of these great hockey players that isn’t too competitive and just looks like a lot of fun.
Eric Staal mic’d up had me dying.
I liked Matt Duchene's drunkyness during the Skill competition
It was even better he was talking to Kaner
He was bad at what he did and he was mic'd up
and leaned over to Kane and said “Musta been all that vodka from last night.” He then said on twitter it was just an in-joke [especially since he (still) isn’t old enough to drink in the US]
Hawkeye? I kinda think Monty
might be hanging out with Hot Lips Houlihan instead.
Great preamble. Great photoshop. REC’d!
Let's Go Hawks!
Just curious,
do you youngsters know who Hawkeye and Hot Lips are?
Why would you ask?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I think
I asked because I am curious. Did you not get that from my post – the bolded part?
Way not to be a dick
when being asked a simple question.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Like you weren't being a dick
when you sarcastically asked a question I had already answered?
I wasn't being sarcastic, Mr Stanford.
I thought it was an odd question to ask when, apparently from the context, K Dog was well aware who Hawkeye and Hot Lips were.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think my comment was addressed to K Dog.
He/she obviously knows who they are. I tried to use a plural form of “you” to the best that English allows for it. It was just that these names were being thrown around like they were well-known characters and I was curious as to whether the younger people here knew who they were. It was really quite innocent until you took exception as though I had attacked someone.
yeah
I did not take take your comment as questioning my knowledge; I understood that you were addressing the younger crowd who may have never even heard of M*A*S*H. But, on the other hand, I see how someone could have interpreted it the other way. Just a simple misunderstanding.
Let's Go Hawks!
Funny thing is
when you hit “reply” to K Dog’s comment, it appears you are addressing that particular commenter. As my mind reading skills have waned as of late, there was no way of me to know that you were addressing the group as a whole. I wasn’t taking exception. It just seemed odd.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
For a 3rd person perspective...
I got stanfordron’s meaning (plural you), but it’s probably because I had no idea what they were talking about, and I also have a general idea that K_Dog is probably not a “youngster” (but young at heart, I’m sure!).
just a misunderstanding is right. :)
uh yeah...thanks for throwing in the charitable "young at heart"
I’ll have you know I am 19 years of age, I just happen to be a 1970’s television enthusiast! ;-)
Let's Go Hawks!
Hope the Hawks read that
before tonight’s game.
He thinks the Hawks winning the series in 6 games was theft?
I wouldn't take that comment too literally
When you’ve played over 100 games and have the ultimate goal in sight, I’m pretty sure any player would feel that the Cup was “stolen” from him by whichever team won. I think it says more about his confidence (at the time) that the Flyers would win than his thoughts on the quality of the Hawks.
Meh, whatever Claude
I agree with the one poster that said basically how can you consider it “stealing” when it was Game 6 on their ice. But whatever it takes to get yourself fired up.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 5, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Meh. I never fault leaders of teams for saying things like that. You lose, you’re allowed to bitch a little.
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He didn't say they stole anything and he didn't talk about payback or motivation 18 months later...
No Swagger, No Dagger
Everyone, take off your Blackhawks blinders for a moment. Remember back to last April. The Canucks won the President’s Cup and had a 3-0 lead on the Hawks, who barely made the playoffs. Here’s what Toews said:
Everyone wants to look at the stats all year and talk about what they do well and how good of a team they are. That’s what’s frustrating. We’re not exposing them for what they really are.
Whatever you think about the quote from Giroux—and, as I explained earlier, I think it’s being blown out of proportion here—it’s hard to deny that Toews is dissing the Canucks. They were up 3-0, and Toews was venting. That’s pretty much in-line with what Julia said. (I’m certainly not condemning his comments; in fact, I like that he said it.)
by TKHO on Jan 5, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think he was spot on with that quote
Considering how the next two games went
They’re both leaders and both competitors. I think of them as competitor quotes, not sour grapes quotes. Didn’t think for a second that Giroux thought the BlackHawks won unfairly, that meaning of “stolen.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
while we're talking theft, Mr. Giroux..
about that puck…
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