Morning Links - (1/6)
by JuliaM on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 AM CST
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- Recaps and reflection [nhl.com] [Tribune] [CSN] [ESPN] [Third Man In] [Hockeenight] [Cheer the Anthem] [MyFoxChicago]
- Previews for tonight's tilt against the former Nordiques. [nhl.com]
- Carcillo begins his suspension while injured. [Tribune]
- As to what else they're going to do to fill injury holes, your guess is as good as mine. [Tribune]
- The rookies, particularly Andrew Shaw, impressed teammates and coaches. [CSN] [ESPN]
- A defenseman and a center are Stan's priorities. [CSN]
- 85 Years of Blackhawks sweaters. [blackhawks.nhl.com]
- Brian Burke sends Colton Orr to the minors, whines about the phasing out of enforcers. [Globe&Mail]
- This article is definitely not asking the right question, which is, why does the random justice generator still used when it comes to conduct unrelated to head hits? [Globe&Mail]
- WJC: Canada shuts out Finland for bronze, Sweden scores the only goal of the game in OT against Russia for gold.
- This save by Visentin for Canada is really quite remarkable. [coyotes.nhl.com]
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wow!! what a save.
I’ll bet if I was goalie… well if I could actually skate and play hockey and be a goalie, I don’t think I’d be able to make a save like that.
I’m just sayin
Last time I saw a mouth like that out had a hook in it...
No Swagger, No Dagger
by Saskjet on Jan 6, 2012 12:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
...ahem, it had
No Swagger, No Dagger
by Saskjet on Jan 6, 2012 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That was a crazy good save by Visentin
And Brian Burke is a dillhole. So the only way to teach players to respect one another and decrease the amount of injuries is to have goons on your roster whose sole purpose is to beat the shit out of people and possibly injure them? You have to love that logic.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 AM CST reply actions
If hayes and Shaw play like they did last night...
filling holes is not a urgent concern. Was anyone else besides me wondering why our fourth line didn’t get more action in the third?
A defensman and a center are just about everyone’s priorities. You don’t think Philly needs help on the blue line?
The question is, who’s willing to pay the highest price for the relatively few refugge’s out there.
Do you doubt my diagnosis?
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. (Jef Mallett)
So... pretty much 110% Corey Crawford tonight, yes?
For reason of B2B, not Emery’s showing last night. Razor did his job pretty well last night.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM CST reply actions
Crow please,
Razor got his share of work all right. I cringe whenever he goes post to post and wonder about his hip taking a dump on him!
LETS GO BLACKHAWKS!
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Bolland injury speculation
I see some talk about Bolland playing this season injured. How does Bolland playing at 80% help? No there is no link, just some things I have read on this site.
Something is wrong with him. Either linemates, wear and tear, or he is indeed injured.
Hold My Stones
Personally, I think it's the loss of Fernando Pisani that's holding him back
In other words, I haven’t the faintest.
by JesusMarianHossa on Jan 6, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Doesn't FLA have somebody we could trade Bolland for?
I know we don’t want to trade Dave, he is legendary, but he needs to start to bring it a little more. And ORG, if he is injured, sit him down, now.
Hold My Stones
Didn't he break his foot
earlier in the season? Maybe he is still hampered by that injury.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Am I missing something...
I don’t see huge problems in Bollands play. he was plus one last night, 3 blocked shots although he was woeful at the dot. That probably led to a lot of the sustained pressure Philly put on in the second. He played over 15 minutes but his linemates were under 10.
I feel it's his linemates
Fro & Travis, when do they step into the pressbox for a game?
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jan 6, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
What about something like
Toews between Hossa and Shaw
Bolland between Sharp and Kane
Mayers between Stals and Hayes
Fro between Bicks and Brunette
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
looks like a
1/1/4/4 line set up. No like. Being charitable, either of those two bottom lines could be classified a “third” line.
I’ll buy into the argument that bolland could use some real wingers.
So last year, with Bickell and Pisani
wingers weren’t the issue. But this year they are?
Don’t buy what is being given away for free!
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 6, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
a salient point.
Bolland had issues last year as well – didn’t he go forever without scoring?
2010-11
Bolland: 37 pts, 61 games
2 special teams goals out of 15 total goals
If he played 61 games this year, he’d be on pace for 27 pts, but 5 of his 8 goals so far have come on special teams (which is great). But he’s on pace for 5 EV goals. Ouch.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 6, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, you are missing something.
Obviously he is not a terrible player rather he is quite good at hockey. He is not playing like I remember him playing the last 3 years. He has little speed this year compared to the league. Don’t you remember how he used to be a threat on the PK? Could be that he is worn out from chasing down wild shots from Fro and Bickell. For me, he looks lost on the offensive side, which is partly why he was so good at being a checking line center. The other teams top lines had to not only deal with his defensive skills, but they had to play D against him. The Offense is missing.
Hold My Stones
I'm not trying to be a Bickell apologists here
since I expected prior to the season he’d come back down to earth this year. But other than scoring, Bick’s numbers have been remarkably similar to last season. My eyes tell me something’s waaay different with Bolly, and using Bickell as a constant seems to confirm my belief that it’s Bolland, not his linemates.
And I don’t think it’s Frolik that’s a major cause, only a minor one. His defense has been great. His scoring sucks, but it’s not like Bolly is providing him with tasty dishes. Bolland and Bickell got it done last season mostly with Pisani as a linemate. Any addition they’ve had this season (Stalberg, Bruno, etc) is as good or better than Fernando. So again, it’s not Bolland’s support that’s letting him down.
Bickell and Frolik provided the only opportunities again last night. Bolland was slow to the puck, stayed away from the boards, and mostly hovered near the top of the zone (like he needed to cheat to get back in time). Same shit, different day.
Something’s up with Rat.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 6, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Something is up with Bolly
Too many times he’s forced a turnover (which he remains good at – has always had a quick stick in defensive coverage) and then given it away blindly (e.g. ringing the boards from the opposite corner which amounts to a pass to their point man). He used to take the time to skate those out of danger (or at least skate himself into position to see where he could relieve the puck to). This tells me something is not quite right. Your first few strides are critical out there and he has rarely had them.
You are next.
by M7 on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
When I read all about
how Bolly was spending so much time in the gym during the off-season and had dedicated himself to remaining injury free this year I expected the year of the Rat.
Instead I got the first 5 or so games of the Rat.
The foot injury hampered him for a while and may still be bothering him who knows. Maybe he caught wind of some people in the organization thinking he milked his concussion and that is contributing to his lackluster performance OR maybe his name has been brought up in trade talks.
I love the Rat when he plays like the Rat, but honestly if other GMs want NHL ready players who on this team has any significant value? Fro has some, Bickell has little, OD is too slow / old, Lepisto may have some but who would know it.
Not trying to start a rumor here just doing a little speculating. I kind of doubt that he would be traded at this time seeing as C is one of the positions that SB has already notified the entire world that he is seeking, but who knows, maybe the Rat is just having a bad year.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Looked like OD had some spring in his step last night
Fastest I’ve seen him look all year.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Reading posts
last night and this morning has been hilarious. How there are so many delusional fans out there is beyond me.
I actually read a trade proposal of this:
To Anaheim:
Lalonde
4th or 5th
To Chicago:
Beauchamein
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Bolland Bickell and Frolik for
Getzlaf Perry Ryan?
Hold My Stones
by laaarmer on Jan 6, 2012 1:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They would be crazy to pass
Hold My Stones
by laaarmer on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly, and I may be in the minority but,
yes the Hawks could use some help on the blueline, but I still think there is something wrong with either the system or the manner in which the system is being played.
I mean the defensive players are at least as good as the the pairings during the cup year, OD / Monty / Lepisto = > than Boynton / Hendry right, or am I delusional?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Our 2nd pairing was a lot better too though
Hjalmarsson and Campbell were playing worlds better than Leddy Hjalmarsson.
World's better may be a slight exaggeration
but my point remains that Soup + Hammer played better then, than Leddy + Hammer are playing now
I think getting a puck mover
(Not named Campoli) will be a pleasant addition, it’ll let Monty do what he does better (more of a defensive oriented dman) and solidify the power play as well… (Maybe allowing us to go to a more traditional PP system).
The downside to this, is that player really doesn’t exist out there atm… Unless the Hawks try to trade for someone who isn’t on the market. Read: Overpay
There are 1 or 2
out there but everyone else wants them also, not to mention that some of those have NTC and must approve any deal.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Well that's what you get when you stick two kids together
One who only has a single full year under his belt, and one who has half a season.
Hjammer has 2 full seasons
(and probably close to 3 in terms of games played), but your point is valid. He’s still young.
You’re forgetting Sopel. I’m not sure OD/Monty/Lepisto is actually playing better than Sopel/Boynton/Hendry. Also the Leddy Campbell thing, but I’m not sure how significantly better that is.
He may have been slow
but he knew his limitations and played a straightforward game.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
I remember him being solid in the puck area
He had a great presence
Yeah he played
a straight game without trying to do too much or more than he was capable of. Great locker room guy also from what I understand.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
This Sopel thread cracks me up
Brent Bunyan
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 6, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
I've been thinking the same thing
Sam mentioned that his line gets hemmed in the zone often and since he said that, I’ve noticed it more and more. I don’t know WTF is up with Rat but he’s playing much closer to that moniker than his previous, Fabulous Weapon.
You are a Bickell apologist
Hold My Stones
by laaarmer on Jan 6, 2012 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to try to zero in on the Rat tonight.
part of the problem may stem from the faceoffs. The other team gets possession and Boll’s line has to start chasing. Didn’t Boll/Stal/Bick seem to work for a few games?
I thought so
but it wasn’t due to Bolland. Bickell and Stalberg were the one’s providing the opportunities for each other, many of them via nice passes from beneath the goal line. They just couldn’t finish. (shocking, I know)
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 6, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
My memory may be skewed but,
wasn’t Bolly playing pretty decently as the #2 pivot last season before Kubina’s elbow?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
Cheers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MigoQCBviok&feature=related
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Mr. Blue, perhaps?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbvb3G2HhEQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
ESPN has Shaw projected to score 82 goals, but only have 82 points with 410 penalty minutes
If he scores 2 tonight, he will break Gretzky’s record for sure.
Hold My Stones
bullshit
Shaw and Hayes are shoo-ins to tie for the Calder, obviously
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
good point
trade the bum!
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
nah
Hayes just has veteran experience.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
All kidding aside...
what was a bit unusual was that both players had significant offensive impacts. hayes, for one reason or another, had the puck around Bryz’ crease all night long.
That didn’t seem star struck by the big lights.
And the word hustle comes to mind
Is that what I said?
I think a lot of our Rockford call ups have looked like “studs” in their first game or two up this season and then have wound down. I like to see more than a game or two before declaring them “studs.”
Since your knowledge is greater than mine
I can only work with what I’ve got
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
always take that into consideration
but you must also take into consideration their poise and style, neither seemed out of place and both goals were result of hard work and skill.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Jan 6, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know why we need to get into defensive mode
The play played well. Isn’t that good enough? I don’t know of anyone who wants them to suit up for the all-star game or hang their jersey in the rafter. Sample size, shample size. They were called up, they played well, I like it.
Might they regress into complete dopes who forget how to skate? I doubt it. I like the contribution they’re making, they seem to work hard on the ice and I like it.
I think some of us were just trying to stir something up
Me anyway. Since we haven’t had a luck vs stats scrap lately.
The minority of players will score in their first game, so of course it’s fun when a Hawk does it. But more important, yes, they did indeed look like they belonged.
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
I think the point is
yes, they both looked like studs last night and yes, Hayes has looked better in each game than he did in the previous (IMO), but we’re still talking about 2 guys that have played a combined 4 games in the NHL. If they keep this up, it’s time to start salivating
There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
by FrankStallone on Jan 6, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Hayes reminds me of Buff
Even better hands, and he uses that big frame to create space and opportunities. Don’t see how he doesn’t stick.
We like our people!
Nice.
Though I’d like “Mr. Blue” or “Doyle Lonnegan” as well.
Nickname taking shape yet? Was there one established in the game thread last night?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Shawshank...
No Swagger, No Dagger
by Saskjet on Jan 6, 2012 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
After he whiffed that opening minute shot?
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 6, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I know right??
I was like… DOH!! A few minutes later he gets his ass wrecked and jersey ripped to shreds. I felt sorry for him. then he roofs a backhander and I was happy. Then sad, because they lost.
PShaw!
One of my favorite ol’ timey interjections….
But in the end, I think it's going to come back to the Globetrotters, because if there's one thing they know, it's "globe-trotting!"
Foley
Couple things…
1) wow. Not sure what’s going on with PF, and I really like him, but sheeees!! He was really bad last night. Not only did he miss the player about 10 times, but several time his description of the action wasn’t what actually happened. I know I’m nitpicking a little but, I find it distracting. No, that was Shaw not Stalberg. No, that’s not Toews. No that puck didn’t deflect up the middle or off the post. Come on Pat! Pick it up!
2) Did he really say that a huge part of the success so far this season and why the Hawks are near the top of the standing is due to Daniel Carcillo? Can anyone confirm that?
I get sandpaper
I thought I heard him say “Dan Carcillo is a huge part of why the Hawks are at the top of the standings.” He’s only played in 28 games. And there were many games that he was pretty invisible.
Mayers provides sandpaper too, and he can play.
I was being facetious
I’ve had ambivalent feelings about Carcillo all year. I certainly feel like he’s one of the easier pieces of the puzzle to fill in.
Agreed
I feel like they were almost trying to sell us on Carcillo. This is complete conjecture and probably false, but it was almost like the higher ups wanted to keep the fans on Carbomb’s side after he was a complete jagaloon on sunday and helped cost us a game. Probably not a conspiracy as I am making it out to be, but it just seemed a little unsolicited at the time of the broadcast last night.
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."
by CementHeadStu on Jan 6, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yep Carcillo is a dime dozen
should have him replaced in just a couple of days
Ver™
by ccm on Jan 6, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Who is gonna replace him?
Numerous stories in the beginning of the year how Carbomb jelled with Kane and Hossa in the nosiest corner of the locker room. On the ice he answered the bell for whomever he played with. Need gritty role players like this to compliment our skilled players
Ver™
by ccm on Jan 6, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
That's ok lil buckeroo........now get your mittens on
Ver™
by ccm on Jan 6, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Those reasons you listed...
Jelling with Kane and Hossa- that’s not hard.
Answering the bell- plenty of guys will answer the bell for a cup contender.
Gritty role players- I agree. We need gritty role players.
But what you’re suggesting is that Carcillo was the gritty role player we needed. No, he wasn’t. He was gritty, he was a role player, but he’s not the guy. I’d like to think that on our way to the Stanley Cup we can do it without a guy who has already, in half a season, served multiple suspensions for being wreckless and selfish. No thanks.
Half the games he did play in, when he wasn’t suspended or a healthy scratch, he was practically invisible. That’s the guy that we need to win a cup that we can’t replace?
Again… I’m not 100% sure you’re serious.
old age ADD on Foley
There was a bunch of love handed out to Carbomb from both Foley and Edzo last night!
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Jan 6, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
check the earlier thread
it got to be fairly ridiculous after the first few minutes.
It seems Helm and Holmstrom might be healthy enough to play us on Sunday
That game looks like it will be even more exciting than last, and considering I’m going to miss it, it probably will be.
According to Puck Daddy Toronto needs him
But to get Baldzlaf we’d probably have to give up someone just as valuable. I doubt anyone from Anaheim is coming this way.
I highly doubt it
Getzlaf is in California. Stan is in Chicago.
Skype?
by ChicagoNativeSon on Jan 6, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Facetime probably
They’re both probably Mac guys.
I thought that anaheim pretty much would be ruled out of chicago trade talk
what with them saying “core piece for core piece” …. stan has said he wants to add to the mix, not change it up considerably.
Of course, that doesn’t mean he won’t trade someone important, for the right piece.
If you can get both Getz and Beauchemin in a deal
I will gladly give up Bolland in a deal.
Bolland Frolik Olsen + a pick or two a prospect or two.. whatever.
The Ducks can save the Hawks, and the Hawks can afford both today (although they will scrape by) if they wait till the deadline they can do even more.
Right now Capgeek says we have 9.6 in cap hits we can take on. At the deadline we can take on nearly 22 mil
That would be sweet but getzlaf is going to earn a huge return or remain in anaheim.
They consider getzlaf (rightfully so) to be among the elite of elite.
If the hawks can get a really good 2nd line center that should focus on columbus.
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