That Much Further West - Canucks 3, Hawks 2 (OT)
Nothing like getting thrown in the deep end. After a sluggish start start wherein the Canucks pretty soundly took it to the Hawks, a quick answer of a goal from Jamal Mayers plugging away in front brought the Hawks even. From there on through the middle of the third, the Hawks were all over the Canucks, with only some heroics from Cory Schneider keeping things close while the Hawks routinely denied the Canucks entry at the blue line into the offensive zone.
Viktor Stalberg's insistence at going to the net was rewarded with the go-ahead goal, though the lead was short lived. A bad bounce off Stalberg's stick at the Canuck line allowed Alex Edler to spring Cody Hodgson in alone on Crawford, and he made no mistake high on the glove side, and into overtime the game went. A Stalberg break with a non-call on a slash kept things even until Tomax and Xamot connected from behind the net to in front, catching both Keith and Seabrook looking. Canucks 3, Hawks 2, one point in hand. Your week-marinated bullets:
Observations
- While he'll probably be torched for the sort-of giveaway that led to Hodgson's goal (it looked like the puck rolled on him or hit something at the line), Viktor Stalberg was awesome tonight. While the "physical" (and we use the term loosely) aspect of his game has been dialed back a bit since playing with Daydream Nation, he's been using his blistering speed to break to the net, which has resulted in his fair share of opportunities, and all of them, save the breakaway, were on net, with Schneider simply being the better. The manner in which he created the breakaway for himself truly illustrates what a weapon his speed is.
- And before everyone gets up in arms about that non-call, there were certainly opportunities where the Hawks could have been penalized as well. It was pretty clear from about the middle of the second on that the refs were putting the whistles away, which for the most part was warranted.
- So ends Marian Hossa's 9-game point streak. While he, Brendan Morrison and Patrick Sharp were a bit sloppy in the early going, one could see the comfort level rising during the game. There were good ideas abound from this unit, but Sharp's rust and/or shyness from physicality and Morrison's fresh introduction to the team undoubtedly factored into that. It's certainly worth a look for another game or two before blowing it up.
- The power play is fucking clown shoes. Get the goddamn forwards off the point. If I have to keep saying it until it ends up in my obit, I will.
- John Scott didn't take a shift in the third period. That was a well-thought out decision, especially in a game that went to over time.
- While he was saddled with a -2 tonight, I felt Duncan Keith was excellent. The type of game that the Canucks play and their persistence at carrying the puck in feeds right into one of Keith's strengths, which is knifing the puck away at the point of entry at the Hawk defending blue line.
- So nice of Foley and Konroyd to mention AT ALL during the broadcast that Toews missed 2 or 3 three shifts in the first for reasons unknown at this point.
- It's certainly a dissatisfying result after gaining the lead in the 3rd period, and Nashville dropping 4 on the death-spiraling WIld in the third, but the defensive effort, particularly from Corey Crawford was there, as was the discipline. There are a few things to be ironed out, and there are likely pieces to be acquired, but the eye-test results should be encouraging even if the end result wasn't. Alberta Ho!
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Yeah..
D2K looked every inch the Norris Candidate tonight.. it would have been hard to avoid being a – Corsi as he seemed to be on the ice for the entire game
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Agreed on Keith
he was glorious on his reads and intercepts/poke checks tonight. I was truly happy with his performance. Including the extra bits he had to shoulder because of that turd Scott.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 12:22 AM CST reply actions
Don't blame Scott, blame Q
Q put him in the line up, and then refused to play him as usual. Scott wasn’t glaringly bad but if he can’t sniff the ice in the 3rd of a close game, he shouldn’t be out there
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
Don't get me wrong
I don’t think he’s a bad guy, and I don’t think the blame is on him. He tries hard, but he doesn’t cut it. Q and the office need to sack up and admit he was a bad plan.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Agree 100%
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 1, 2012 12:44 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yep.
No idea why you play Scott over a well rested SOD (who’s been really solid of late) in a game against Van.
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by Hawks&Flyers on Feb 1, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
I can only hope someone else suits up on Thursday
otherwise this is going to be a long ass trip and duncan keith is going to need an oxygen tank to get around
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
looking at the schedule...
and given the back to backs on Thursday (Oilers) & Friday (Flames) I’m even more baffled by the Scott decision. Play SOD tonight and against the Oilers and then Scott against the Flames.
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by Hawks&Flyers on Feb 1, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
Q + Stanbow = the most effective SCH trolls ever.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
Ha!
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
Showcasing
Scott for a trade. Hahahahaaha
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by YouFeelShame II on Feb 1, 2012 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing
One rough and tumble “Fluffy” for sale!
Magilla gorilla for sale!
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by thepuckstopshere31 on Feb 1, 2012 6:53 AM CST up reply actions
Behind the Stache?
This is a big game for the Hawks, a “best foot forward” game. Going in, you figure it’s gonna be tight and you’re gonna ride your horses hard. You don’t do it every night, you pick your spots- this is a spot.
So, just for purposes of this game, Keith for 30 minutes and Scott for 5 prolly gives the team a better chance of winning than Keith 25 minutes O’Donnell 10 minutes.
Now, you might say that Keith for 30 and OD for 5 is better still, but that’s not what everyone is saying.
From Q’s standpoint, if you figger going in that you’re gonna ride Keith hard for 30 minutes and your 6th d-man is gonna ride the pine in the third period, plus you’ve made up your mind that you are gonna play Scott for some games, well, this seems like a pretty good game to choose.
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by cliffkoroll on Feb 1, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't like playing Scott on the road
Against faster competition, but whatever. Q doesn’t shy away from over skating his top players.
by aeroplane on Feb 2, 2012 3:56 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I disagree on Scott
I agree that we are relying on Keith too much. With that said, what other options are there? Look at who was on the 3rd and 4th lines tonight: Bolland, Frolik, Kruger, Mayers, Shaw, and Brunette. Other than Mayers, who gives you that physical edge? No one really. Shaw will finish a check, but he’s not exactly intimidating. Bolland is busy dealing with the Sedins. Frolik, Kruger, and Brunette are finesse guys. What is stopping the Nucks from taking people’s heads off?
Say what you want about Scott, but he is getting better. He knows what he can and can’t do. He doesn’t try to make the fancy pass. He doesn’t try to pinch in every play (and get burned by it). He wants to hit people when he can. But most importantly, he goes out there and tries not to screw up too much.
I know what Scott brings to the table. I don’t really see what SOD and SL bring to the table other than eating up minutes. They aren’t very physical and they aren’t great skaters (at this point). On other teams with larger 3rd and 4th lines or in a bind, they are adequate. But when you construct a team with small (but skilled) 3rd and 4th liners, you need to get that physical edge from somewhere. Unfortunately for the Hawks (right now), that “somewhere” is the 6th d-man spot.
The problem with Scott's "physical edge"
is that he’s slow as shit, so he never gets to use it.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 2:12 AM CST up reply actions
Well,he has improved.......
and when he plays physical he throw players around like dolls. Not sure what his marching orders were last night. Prob “don’t fuck it up-Keep it simple”
Ver™
by ccm on Feb 1, 2012 7:10 AM CST up reply actions
As a player, I was never the least bit intimidated by a guy sitting on bench
A Probert type…yeah, someone like that with the talent to play meaningul minutes that don’t hurt the team AND can cave in your head in a fight…that is the guy who provides an intimidation factor.
Scott? Shit…they might as well just paste scary pictures on the glass behind the bench for all the good he does.
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
by krome on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
When you say you know what Scott brings
You mean to say its nothing, right? Scott can’t make the fancy pass. He’s like a brontosauros on skates. I think having a slab from Stonehenge on the ice is just as effective as John Scott.
by BodomSlayer on Feb 1, 2012 6:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
bullshit
This just isn’t true at all. If you really think this, you haven’t really been watching him play.
The criticism with Scott isn’t that he is a slab of concrete, he’s been much better this year. It’s that Q doesn’t play him. 0 minutes in the 3rd means everyone else (read: Keith) is playing those extra minutes. That’s no way to run a railroad, considering we’re kicking off a 9 game roady.
If Q doesn’t trust him at all, then he shouldn’t be playing. That’s the root cause of the ire. It’s not really because he plays badly- it’s Q’s insistence on suiting him up, and then not putting him on the ice.
by Skags on Feb 1, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure....
but was Vigneault rolling his fourth line in the third period? Obviously, you don’t want Scott out against thing 0ne and two. From my vantage point it’s not the end of the world when he’s oput there against Van’s meatballs. That guy Weiss likes to take liberties..
I worded that poorly
I think Vancouver was the wrong team to dress Scott against. I agree he’s been noticeably better but I still think he’s a pylon compared to our other options at defense. You may have meatballs like Lapierre and Burrows but I dont think Scott’s ’game’s is suited for a team like Vancouver.
by BodomSlayer on Feb 1, 2012 7:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
IMO, there were 20 reasons why Scott dressed last night
Of the 23 other players on the roster, only Mayer and Seabs are willing and able to drop the gloves and win a fight. Sure, Shaw and Monty will try, but they often lose. If one is only trying to motivate the team, that’s fine.
But last night was likely about protecting Sharp and Toews. When I heard that 10 and 19 were playing, I truly expected Scott to dress. Q is old school like that, whether we believe it’s right or wrong.
And Q has no problems sitting up to 4 players in the 3rd period of tight games. We see it night in and night out, yet constantly it’s still a battle cry the next morning against player X. Last season, Q sat Leddy. The year before, Hendry. Would OD in the lineup have made any difference? I doubt it.
And yes, I know there are a lot of “experts” out there who claim Scott doesn’t deter anything. Prove it. Ya can’t. If Q thinks it works, then nothing’s gonna change his mind. Mustaches make you stubborn.
Basically, Q thought he could still beat a chippy team like VAN with the other 19 players in the lineup, even with limited minutes from Scott. Why shouldn’t he? He does it all the time, but player X isn’t always Scott.
I don’t agree with it, but if Q views his team as soft, I understand it.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
B-I-N-G-O
sometimes you make too much sense.
I would rather Scott mix it up with Weiss than Mayers. Then there’s that Bieksa guy. Funny, you don’t normally think of Vancouver on and equivalent basis witha team like the Bruins, but they have their fair share of nozzles.
part of my problem last night in particular
Is when hammer when to the back after blocking the shot. Yeah you can’t plan for that kind of stuff happening but it is always a possibility, and rolling 4 dmen because you don’t trust the other out there to play is not smart, IMO. I don’t know if this actually happened but the announcers said Sean’s went to the bench for a change at one point and kitchen (I think) basically said nope and sent him back out. This isn’t how I want to start an extremely tough 9 day road trip schedule, you know?
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 9:18 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Not to this extent
You can say that Q sits players in the 3rd but no one else comes close to John Scott. It’s not a battle cry, it’s a fact.
Scott’s last 5 games:
5:21
3:25
6:32
3:20
5:56
His season average of 7:40 is dead last in the league, among NHL defensemen. Yes, having OD in the lineup would have made a difference- he averages more than double TOI.
Scott doesn’t deter anything. I’ve seen plenty of games where other players took a run at Toews with Scott dressed. In fact, so far this year, he’s only been in 1 fight that wasn’t “staged.” Someone took a run at Kruger and Scott got a GMC and instigator and everyone here called for his head.
The simple fact of the matter is this: Yes he’s huge. Yes he can fight, but rarely does as an enforcer. When he dresses he sees very little ice time and that negatively everyone else on the blueline.
I don’t have a problem with him dressing- he’s that bad at hockey. But if Q wants to play him, then play him. 7 mins a game is fucking crazy.
by Skags on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In reality, Keith only had 1 extra minute of ice time last night
since 2 mins were in OT and only the top 4 skate then.
I’d rather have better players taking up those Scott minutes in a tight game than Scott on the ice. It really only adds a shift or two.
But I do agree with you. My original comment was attempting to come to terms with Q’s apparent thought process. =
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
I did not look at all at the numbers
but it sure felt like he and Seabrook were out for long damn shifts.
Sometimes that is going to drain a guy over the course of the game. Even a horse like Keith has a limited amount of energy in any game, you know?
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Yeah agree
but the shifts were no different than normal. Q’s been overworking the top 4 in general.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
if they can do it
then let them, I guess. Its interesting. We have a 4.2 mil defenseman on the 3rd pairing that is literally the 3rd best left side guy with Hamhuis, ( Bieksa has played that side a little too ), Edler, and then Ballard.
he is solid, and gets the shitty treatment from the fans because you know how we are, and we always have at least one player on the team that is “overpaid”.
They seem to not worry too too much about matchups. They try to get them, of course, but apart from a top line facing the shutdown pair ( and it was different to see Edler and Salo out against either one of your top 2 lines more than usual ), it was NBD if it was either top pair, and not a panic if Rome and Ballard are out there against a top line on a change.
Last night, and again, without the work of looking up the minutes, it seemed that Keith and Seabrook were out against our top 2 lines, and some work against Cody’s line a bit too!
Thats got to be tough. Oh well, dude make mucho cake for mucho years.
Make him earn it right?
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or die trying!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 6:46 AM CST up reply actions
A vast majority of people were on Scott's side
when he stood up for Krugs.
by aeroplane on Feb 2, 2012 3:48 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
In that case, keep Hayes up with the big boys for extra size
and tell #29 that it’s serve and protect, or get used to riding the bus in the A again
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
we send Bicks down to the A and he probably gets picked up
Not an ideal solution
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 11:11 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Show me one replay from last night where Scott gave the Hawks any physicality whatsoever.
Even when he does throw a hit, it takes him out of position and he takes forever to recover.
Bottom Line: You never win with John Scott. Even when he does something you may think is positive, it always ends up being a negative.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
He threw one crunching check on a sedin i think in the first period and was ok getting the puck out of our zone.
to be honest with you, i hold my breath a lot when he’s on the ice, but do this also with our 3-6 d-men on occassion.
I usually just start praying the rosary that the Hawks don't ice the puck when he is on the ice.
I do remember the hit you speak of. So I guess there was one example.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Praying the rosary while Scotts on the ice- that image is making me crack up!
and as soon as he goes off, do you head to the fridge fora brew?!
Twice
guys tried to knock him off the puck but they just bounced off of him.
Those two plays, difference makers
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 1, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
It certainly did.
Mission No. 1 accomplished.
Good wrap
Toews missed those shifts in the first getting an edge fixed. Blew a skate. Otherwise, you pretty much summed up my thoughts. Corey played great, their Cory was just better. Let’s get 3 of 4 in Alberta.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 12:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm in Europe
So I watch streams online,and I had the TSN stream,and they said it was an equipment issue…was scared there for a bit…I thought they played well,but seriously,playing with 5 d-men is not going to cut it…i thought the Bolland line did well,and Kane despite taking a few hard hits had some dazzling moves,and created some chances…this is the effort this team needs to give during this stretch run,especially during this dreaded trip
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Feb 1, 2012 1:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
I was switching back-n-forth between TSN and WGN (depending on which crew was annoying me the least) and I happened to catch that as well. When I eventually went back to WGN feed it didn’t even occur to me that somebody (everybody) was probably wondering why Toews missed a few. Probably just the benefit of have Panger at ice level but you’d think they’d pick up on it during the break.
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 2, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
He was on his ass for most of the 1st and 2nd period
Lots of blowouts last night. Looking forward to the great ice in CGY and EDM.
Foley missed it because he was busy formulating his next diatribe against Viktor Stalberg. Either that, or reading up on Swedish pond hockey.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 1, 2012 7:24 AM CST up reply actions
+1 on Keith, Stalberg & Scott
Also, Shaw led forwards in TOI & hustles his ass off for every second of it. Love that kid.
Not sure what the final FO%’s were for everyone, but I know halfway through they were atrocious.
All the talk about Corey & Cory in these games always makes me think of Feldman & Haim.
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...
All the talk about Corey & Cory in these games always makes me think of Feldman & Haim
Hopefully this story has a happier ending
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
We got porked in the dot
Everyone, including Toews, were on the wrong side of the glory hole all night.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 12:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Even though he looked out of sorts in the first
I liked Morrison out there. Maybe he’ll stay at 2C, maybe he won’t, but I think he can help this team and we got him for almost nothing.
And the sick move Toews put on in the 3rd (?), very nice
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
give him more time
that’s a lot of pressure joining a new team that’s actually competent like Chicago, and having your first game with that team being against the one with which you spent 8 years and helped break a ton of franchise records.
all players need a few games to get adjusted to their new surroundings.
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I hurt real bad when Hawks lose. I hurt worse when they lose to Vancouver.
Toews move in the third? It was like he was a ghost passing right through Edler. I could not believe my eyes. He dematerializes so effortlessly!
I thought our guys did really well tonight
not happy about not picking up the other point, but am happy with the play. Crow made some big saves. the 2nd line, after some time started to look good. All our guys were hustling – all of them. And we had some really really fantastic chances that fucking Schneider closed on us.
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also, yeah calls could have absolutely have gone either way
just annoyed at that hook on Stals because of the timing =( oh well
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah me too
But that was a blatant hook..and Stalberg said it right after the game,that was the definition of a penalty shot..Q was irate on the bench,even Haviland was going nuts at the non call
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Feb 1, 2012 1:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and to continue about Crow
Did he make some big saves? Yes. Do I wish he made 1 or 2 more? Hell yes. While I WISH we didn’t need to rely on goalie wins, I think in reality, we do at times, and I just wish we could.
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 1:43 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
this is one of those games though
where you hate the result but the overall quality of play is up there. as long as we make the playoffs, i’d take losses like this any day over a win where we play good for a period and suck shit the rest of the game
I'm satisfied with the play for sure
But disappointed in the outcome. I’ll take it though
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 9:10 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If the Hawks can play the rest of the trip like they did in this one
Then we’ll all be happy with the results.
by TKHO on Feb 1, 2012 6:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I know I'm nuts...
but as far as I’m concerned we won that game. Just perusing this board sort of validates that incongruous observation. Pretty upbeat for a game we lost in OT.
Vancouver is a very good team and we were dominating them for about two of the three periods. I’d like to know what the offensive and defensive zone faceoff % are for the sedin’s, it seems to me the Nucks are most vulnerable when those guys have to play in their own end.
Hjarlmarrson was awesome, especially in the first period.
Toews/Kane/Stals were sik out there. Let’s hang on th that crazy 88 guy a few more games before we start seeing what he can bring on the open market, eh?
Matt, I sort of disagree with your dismissal of the non call on Edler’s slash. It clearly prevented Stals from doing anything but throwing a shot into Schneider. And I didn’t see the Hawks get away with anything all night – (tongue firmly in cheek.)
Our Corey was phenomenal – more of that please.
Totally agree with the fowards on the point – rethink that and rethink it now!
Has any player in the history of the NHL played with more centers than Hossa?
Get Stalberg sized up for a cape. where did this guy come from?
I missed Hayes out there.
Can’t teach size and his net presence and physical play make him a better suited winger then Kruger.
Ver™
agree wholeheartedly...
you can’t teach size. He looks awfully good standing in front of the net on the PP.
Shaw played well last night, absorbing a few hard, clean checks to get the puck out of the zone. Over all, I thought he played quite well, but I don’t think Edler knocks Hayes on his ass.
Hayes is an example of MOBILE size
unlike the pylon that is Scott
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Didn't see the game
how did Bickell look?
by pang off the post on Feb 1, 2012 7:36 AM CST reply actions
Well rested
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
He looked good...
from the pressbox!
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by thepuckstopshere31 on Feb 1, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
You would think Lepisto
would be a no brainer choice (outside the intimidation factor) to play vs. Fluffy.
The Q Stash only knows!
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by thepuckstopshere31 on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Keith was on the ice for, and had a part in, all 3 Nucks goals
Yup, just like old times. Norris Keith is back again!
Tell a friend.
I can’t even imagine the beheadings today if Hjammer, Leddy, or Scott were on the ice for all 3 goals against and a -2. Or if they were caught standing aside the net on the OT goal. I’m not saying I blame 2 or 7, but I think everyone knows what I’m talking about…
Hit somebody!
Stalberg looked incredible again last night. Then he fucked up which led to a goal.
I think he’s proven himself enough that we don’t need to overprotect him around here. But I could be wrong.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 8:18 AM CST reply actions
If agreed with your posts today anymore than I do
I may have to put a ring on it.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
was it the first goal that Keith tried to keep the puck in the Vancouver zone?
all in all, I liked the agressiveness of our d-men last night. It seems like a better strategy than sitting back.
Why is it our points are so wide open when a team establishes control of the puck behind our goal line? Is our defensive strategy to pack it in? It seems every team we play always has wide open d-men at the point.
Stalberg didn’t score on the OT break away and crow let in another soft one – they suck
Which Van goal was soft?
1st goal was a deflection, 2nd on a breakaway and on the 3rd, D Sedin just walk in and it was a bang-bang play.
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Westy...
you should now me a little by now! i guess I was just trolling the Crow and Stal haters.
(Feels shame.)
my bad
their has been a lot of Crow hate around here for a few weeks. Sarcasm needs a different font
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pass
Crow makes too much for a back up goalie…unless he plays in St L.
Stalberg for Schneider. :)
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Umm..
I think anyone who glances at 30:22 TOI will find reasons to forgive Keith his -2.. Personally speaking (and this is just me) I pay little attention to CORSI.. but if Scott had been on ice for 3 goals against then, yes, there would have been trouble. Teeth looked Imperious at times last night against some pretty damn terrifying players (honorable mention to Mr Bolland who looked to be in full on rat-mode as well). Pleased with Hjammer and Leddy to.
If Stals can add a killer finish to his game he is going to be a monster.. can we hypnotise him to convince him that everyone is Columbus?
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stals has been scoring against everybody...
that’s a very unfair assessment of his game propagated by foley.
I’m pretty sure there are a few GM’s trying to steal the soft Swede.
Who’s Teeth?
that may have been 'humour' on my part, WD...
and Teeth… here
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
are you saying you reversed trolled me?
Sonic Block won’t let me open the post.
I thought teet was taylor Hall.
by the way, did anyone see that well endowed lady sitting in the first row behind AV
how the hell are you supposed to concentrate on hockey
Saw her
Quality road beef right there
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree
that a few extra minutes in an OT game where Hjammer missed half of the 1st period (and everyone picked up his mins including Scott) would be a reason to forgive Keith for goals in the 1st period and 2nd period when his TOI was still low.
None of those 3 goals were actually flagrant errors, but Keith was closest to the puck on each, so he’s to blame. I believe that’s how it works.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
not what I meant:
I meant he was on the ice for half the game… statistically increasing his chances of being there when a goal was scored
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Well that would be true in every game then since he avgs 27 mins
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Because GA
are a function of luck and randomness rather than which players are actually on the ice?
yes, that's exactly what I'm saying
you’ve got it.
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I haven't looked at Corsi, so I have no idea what it was
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
misused CORSI there..
my bad.. meant the goals for and against +/- .. CORSI is shots, right?
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yup, total shots at net
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Just looked at Corsi though
Team was 0 net Corsi, so even. Keith had what I believe was his season worst, and team worst, -18 last night.
Woof!
But hey, what’s an extra measly 18 shots at the net for the opposition? ;)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Leddy and Keith kinda got torched.
72 was minus one and -5 Corsi
82 was minus one and -10 Corsi
52 was even and -1 Corsi
Toews won Corsi
BMo lost
Bolland was even
Mayers lost
If Toews is winning the Kesler matchup and Bolland is neutralizing the Twins, the Hawks need to win that game.
And yet I’m also the same guy who has unfairly ridden Keith and there are allegedly stats that back that up.
Which is it?
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Only the Stalberg comment was directed towards you (and not meant to be snarky)
The Keith comment was a joke about Keith. In 2010 we (and the ToS) did plenty of bitching about his hiccups. So basically Norris Keith is back. It’s like 2010, or any year with Keith, again. One has to take the good with the bad since he plays high risk.
Not saying you would be beheading Leddy, Hjammer, Monty, OD. Watching twitter last night was painful. So that was a general comment about the fanbase and how they view certain players who can never win with them.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
"allegedly"?
yup, stats are all make believe, like fairy dust. Real fans know better to believe in that stuff.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
allegedly is modifying "back that up"
that there are stats is not of debate. That they back up any conclusion regarding ‘fairness’ is definitely subjective and alleged. As my future grandson will have been famous for having said: Stats are like assholes. You have to wear undergarments to keep crap off your good clothes.
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Keith not being that bad last season was based on my eye test
As I stated repeated last season, Keith was fine in the defensive zone and controlling play and tempo. IMO the only place he struggled was in the offensive zone, specifically with passing and shooting.
Many of the criticisms of Keith last season were that he was a fire drill in the defensive zone. In reality, his d-zone coverage was no worse than years past. It comes with his high risk, high reward style of play. That’s been Keith every season, especially in 2010. When he was nominated for the Norris, many chuckled that the voters probably didn’t see him actually play, just looked at his stats.
And if McClure is referring to Sam’s article from the summer calling out my article in which it was implied that the stats were used to fit the conclusion, I think I know what McClure means by allegedly. If not, then I’m wrong.
It’s humorous how there is such a resistance to stats here. Why it’s wrong to use all of the information available, I’ll never understand. Basically, if stats confirm the eye test, stats good. If stats conflict with the eye test, stats wrong, not eye test.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
the former
i reckon you got a hold of some of my very own reserve label Keith Kool-Aid last night.
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Fair to criticize Leddy for the first goal
Stalberg for the giveaway that led to the 2nd goal and Quenneville for having Patrick Kane out for a defensive zone draw with less than 90 second left in overtime and the Sedins taking the ice.
2 played great. Not at fault for any of those minuses.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
The Kane thing was really shocking.
Rarely does Q make a misstep like that. I admit to not remembering who was on the ice during the previous shift, but it couldn’t have been all of Hossa-Kruger-Toews and Frolik – all of which were better options against the Twins, who Q had to know were coming.
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I know we're wondering about that decision...
but my boss came up to me today and said he was livid that neither Keith or Seabs went behind the net to flush the Thing with the puck out. He had a lot of tiem. What are the d-men supoosed to do in that situation?
It looked like that pass had all of 2"s to get through to the other Thing.
It's a hard call in 4 on 4.
They always say, “the guy can’t score from behind the net” and that the d-men should hold their position. But that also means covering that man who’s standing directly in front of the goalie and waiting for the pass so he can slam it home, just like he did last night.
But giving the guy all day back there probably should have been dealt with.
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Didn't you just ask me that?
One of the Sedins' strengths
is reacting quickly to out-of-position defenders. Hank makes a move toward Salo, poaching down from the point, and Seabrook moves to cut that off. Keith then has to stand his ground, or he’s vacating the slot. Either a move to check Henrik or Daniel gives the twins time to exploit it. He probably figures he can block any passes coming net-front. Kane can’t backcheck too hard or he winds up running into Keith. Daniel cruises into the slot on the give and go to exploit all of the above. 4-on-4 in that position, the twins are really tough to defend.
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I believe, and I could be wrong,
That before bolly and Kane came out for the 4×4 it was stals/hossa and before that toews/sharp. Q always comes out with combos in that situation that I don’t expect
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 10:02 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Keith deflected the shot on the first goal with IMO slightly lazy stick work.
Not a big deal.
Even though Stals made that turnover the puck did enter the Nucks zone, a defenseman’s primary purpose is defense. No reason that Hodgson should have walked right past Seabs into the Hawks zone. No one should get behind the defensemen. That goal was ultimately on Seabrook.
I didn’t think Kane being on the ice was a factor in OT. Besides, he was out there with 7-2-36, 3 of the best defenders on the team. Maybe Keith needed to be more aggressive there. That’s debatable. But if Leddy and Hjammer were doing the exact same thing, many would be up in arms. That was my main point.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that was coaching 101
two centres on ice for a defensive zone f/o…right?
Ooops…forgot I am on an American site…centers ;-)
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Kane is a center!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
yes
thats why I thought he was out with Bolly, in cased he got tossed. Kane is fine at defense …I would totally agree that he was not a deficiency on the ice for that goal…
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Entertaining game
considering the rust factor.
Observations: Crawford played well. Can’t blame any goal on him.
Keith was great on D….and yet was on the ice for every GA. Not blaming…just a noticeable fact. (Kane was also on the ice for every GA) You guys do need one more top 4 d-man.
Stalberg is a keeper if he plays like that every night. I know he is trade bait for higher end guys but you better be getting a 40 goal scorer in return for him.
When John Scott touched the ice tonight, he did ok. But what an effect it has on Keith and Seabrooks minutes when he plays.
Hossa is a beast….thank god we have Edler to slow him down a bit.
Good luck in the Central. We will try to beat Scum for you on Thursday.
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I didn’t see who were the three stars last night, Edler should have been one of them if he wasn’t.
Keith and Seabs are going to be logging the minutes – no way around that. Weber and Suter do a similar thing for the Preds.
O’d or Lepisto would not have seen many minutes in the third either.
What’s your view on the no-call opn the slash by Edler on Stals in OT? scneider might have stopped it anyway, but it definitely limited stals’s options.
3 stars..
Schneider-Stals-Edler.. about right
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You mean Hamhuis on Stals
Probably a penalty. But I guess since the refs really didn’t call anything all night they figured, why start now. Both teams got away with some shit last night. Refs were rusty too.
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my bad..
I thought it was edler.
to be honest, I didn’t see a lot that warranted penalty calls. The call on your guy , can’t remember who, that hit Shaw was not a penalty imo.
I think if Stals is Toews, Kane Hossa, the twins or Kesler, a penalty would have been called on the slash.
Clipping and Ballard
could be a top 20 song. I think saw number 4 and Shaw go down and thought it had to be a clip.
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westy...
what the fuck was up with the ice? I can’t remember seeing so many people falling over (no, I’m not going to make a cheap diving joke).. it’s not normally that bad, right?
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Who knows what event
was at GM place during the break. There are also snipers in the crowd who shoot at skates. Raymond usually is the main target.
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I'd say Ballard is a serial clipper
Skating backwards and then rotating your hip laterally into a guy is a good hip check. Too often he skates into a guy (Ballard with forward motion) and then “dips” his body and swings his hip into contact. That’s clipping. Ifso facto (IMO) the hit on Shaw was, indeed, a clip.
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 2, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'm glad someone else thinks so..
I’ve watched replays and videos of other clips.. (it’s a penalty you don’t see that often) trying to figure out the fine line between a hip-check and a clip.. and I came up with clip.. but I’m a relative newcomer so figured I was missing something
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Yeah...
In my playing experience that type of hit (while never called 10+ years ago) was always a sore point on the ice surely resulting with insults flying at the guy doing the hitting. “Fucking low-bridge!” comes to mind. It’s a cheap play because even if the guy absorbing the hit sees you coming, he’s bracing his body but leaving his legs open for a shot (think of going stiff and rigid with your arms tucked in with your elbows riding a little high as a defensive measure).
Conversely, a hip check (thrown laterally while skating backwards), kind of scoops the guy off the ice and uses his own forward momentum to thrown him off of his stride or over your back etc. Sometimes if the guy taking the hit is riding low, he’ll just fold up like a lawn chair when your hip meets his ribs. That’s a good hit. Ballard is, essentially, chopping into the guys knees.
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 2, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Should also mention that it wasn’t an egregious clip, but a clip nonetheless.
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 2, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
yup.
I kind of applied my rugby knowledge to it (in terms of cutting someone off lower than they expect).. it’s perfectly legal but shaping to tackle someone around their waist level puts them into the sort of defensive position you mention.. and then changing your angle (at considerable risk of getting a knee/boot in the face yourself) to hit them around the knees has a similar effect..
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The non-call?
Pretty much McClure’s bullet point above. The refs really decided to put away their whistles in this game for some reason, and I didn’t think it was such a horrific slash that they would have pulled them back out.
I get the point about riding your horses and dressing Fluffy as a deterrent but you have to worry about 2/7 wearing down as you get closer to the playoffs, right?
Stalberg was crazy out there.
Work hard, play harder, rest easy.
I don't know what Fluffy is deterring
The Nucks don’t fight for the most part. The last two fights involved Ballard. I know…scary.
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Me neither, but if Q thinks it does then whatever works for him I guess.
Ballard DOES have our last couple of fights, doesn’t he? Weird.
Work hard, play harder, rest easy.
Vancouver can be a suprisingly physical team against us...
almost St.Louis Bluish against us.
that sort of disappeared against Boston last year. not trying to stir the pot, just an observation. Maybe after three hard fought series you guys were just to beat up at that point. Winning the Cup definitely resembles a war of attrition.
Being physical is one thing
but the Nucks don’t usually drop the gloves
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no, I meant the checking - hard hits - not dropping them
although I think you might have read that I realkly thought Sedin needed to go after Bradley. I really think it would have given the entire Van team a much needed boost.
yep, not since we dumped all our fighters for skilled players.
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where's the sense in that?
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by mightymike D on Feb 1, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
well, it got us past the 2nd round for the 1st time in 16 years…..
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details!
(you know I’m kidding, right?)
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by mightymike D on Feb 1, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
it’s sometimes hard for me to tell.
the “default” setting on NM’s sarcasmometer is sometimes called the “missy” setting..
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by mightymike D on Feb 1, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
omg seriously?
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funny but evil.. but funny
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by mightymike D on Feb 1, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
YOU GUYS DO NEED ONE MORE TOP FOUR D-MAN
Just thinking about that Westy and SCH worrywarts, does Vancouver not need a top 4 d-man. It seems to me we sort of opened up a can of whoop ass on you guys for an extended period of time last night. Did no one in the Van organization tell their “top 4 d-men that Viktor has wheels?”
My point is, (and me making a point is alwyas a scary thing – ussually blasted out of the water by CNS’s stats!), that great goaltending masks a lot of weaknesses.
Is van’s top 4 really all that much better than our top four? Inquiring minds want to know.
Although Kane was on the ice for 3 goals, in two of them it would be very hard to place any blame on him.
I would think EVERY team in the league
could use another top-4 D-man.
we don't have a top 2 d-man.
We have a group of solid second line d-man that are, for the most part, able to play with different partners and play an offensive game. We do need that top stay at home guy so our goalies don’t have to work so hard.
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John Scott likes to stay at home...
scott and crow for Raymay and schneid. We’ll even throw in Frolik of Bickell.
you spelled it wrong
We’ll even throw in Frolik of Bickell.
should say
We’ll even throw out Frolik of Bickell.
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Hjalmarsson
Eye test only, but that was the best all-around game he’s played maybe ever.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 1, 2012 8:59 AM CST reply actions
he's had some real barnburners.
I’ve never understood the Hjammer hate. not even close.
Not playing like a $3.5M defenceman
More like $2-2.5M. That’s all.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
not saying you're wrong
but a look around the league at what defensemen cost might change your mind about this.
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To my friends who watched the game:
How did Sharp look? Did he take the shots that were available to him, or make the pass instead (to protect his tender wrist)?
he looked a little out of sorts...
didn’t notice him protecting the wrist.. just a bit of rust, i think
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a little rusty...
but definitely nice to have him back. There was one time Hossa tried to make a pass last night that he definitely should have shot. Kruger or Van the Man will be fine on this line.
Missed two markers in the first period
Also missed breaking up a cross-ice pass about 2 minutes later. He looked out of sorts with the stick. Whether it’s the wrist or just inactivity, time will tell. For missing 8 games, he wasn’t terrible. He wasn’t good either.
The whole 2nd line spent large portions of the game in their own end. New teammates and tough competition will do that.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Sharp looked the same as ever
Beautiful.
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by Mike Martin on Feb 1, 2012 12:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
he'd look good on the Bolland line
I really like Ruutu – thought about getting his jersey. My biggest complaint about him is he wasn’t accurate with his shot. He’s get the chances and miss the net a lot. Things may have changed the last three years though.
I wish we had Edler
and yes, I know he got undressed by Toews.
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that’s about as likely as me becoming a Flames fan.
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hey, I never said it was likely
I was just noting that I like his game
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i know
and Edler just happens to be my favourite Canuck.
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maybe you should get one of his tee-shirts
edler is one player on the Nucks that I really haven’t developed a healthy hatred for. If it’s possible to define any player on the Canucks as classy, it would be #23.
i already have an Edler tshirt, as shown in my avatar.
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Yes, undressed by Toews
but that move would have undressed anyone. Too bad he couldn’t put it home.
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That's what I was thinking.
I think Toews has probably undressed 2 or 7 in practice a time or two.
by Katherine215 on Feb 1, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
haha, I knew that was coming
dirty minds!
by Katherine215 on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
This whole thing would be a whole lot better
if DET didn’t win.
Seriously – our division? Fuck.
your division is severely screwed up this year.
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I think its kinda crazy that Scott / OD > Lepisto
I feel like they should either acquire someone or start tryouts early.
Speaking from a macro point of view
It is weird to lose a game where this team outshoots the opponent and isn’t shorthanded for the duration of the game.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM CST reply actions
and that's remarkable..
the two straight Penalty-free games.. alright, Zebras helped last night but it looks like a lesson learned. Even a young firecracker like Shaw kept his cool under a barrage of hits. I like.
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That's what made losing so painful
The Hawks controlled most of that game and had some great opportunities. Schneider stood on his head and stole a win for the Nucks.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Also making it harder was Nashville potting 4 goals in the 3rd period against the Wild.
Hawks got no luck yesterday.
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I popped over to HW a minute ago
and just kind of quietly edged out of the room without saying anything.. man the mood is funereal over there today!
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by mightymike D on Feb 1, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Best game of the season, but....
This team MUST learn how to DEFEAT the top teams in the NHL…the results against Vancouver, Detroit, St. Louis, Nashville and, I shall argue, Los Angeles is what matters and MUST improve.
It continues to be painfully clear also that this team needs a primetime defensive addition. It helps of course in the game against the Canucks where forwards not named Toews, Hossa, Bolland and Mayers decide to play there best possible two-way hockey. Even Kane wasn’t abysmal in this regard…for a change.
Vik Stalberg? I want him paired up with Hossa….NOW. Swap Sharp with the Toews line, even thought it bit awkward with Kane and Sharp on the same line.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
It's too damn early for this shit
But I’m doing it anyways…
It helps of course in the game against the Canucks where forwards not named Toews, Hossa, Bolland and Mayers decide to play there best possible two-way hockey.
/tilts head sideways like confused dog
Vik Stalberg? I want him paired up with Hossa….NOW. Swap Sharp with the Toews line, even thought it bit awkward with Kane and Sharp on the same line.
We have 4 clear top 6 forwards. You want to put 3 of them on one line and leave Hossa with a 36 year old center and a 25 year old who, while faster than a 15 year old virgin, still lacks awareness in his own zone. It was one thing to overload that top line last year when we were about as a deep as a kiddie pool. It makes little sense this year.
This team MUST learn how to DEFEAT the top teams in the NHL
You forgot San Jose so I’m just going to include them. They’ve taken 16 of 30 points against those teams you listed with the Sharks added. I think they need you need the tutor, not them.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I love your straight man routine in response to BLou’s, whatever his role is.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Oh and one more
Even Kane wasn’t abysmal in this regard…for a change.
STOP THAT.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
No
That’s not why we lost this game. Our best D man was on the ice for all 3 goals. You’re painfully clear observation has no merit. We got beat by a goaltender who made some timely saves when he had to, we also lost an ungodly amount of face-offs, and the PP was clown shoes. None of which will be affected by adding another blue-liner. Not saying we can’t improve there, but your comment is hyperbole.
If the Hawks keep playing like they did last night, they’re going to win a lot of games.
by Skags on Feb 1, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This
If the Hawks keep playing like they did last night, they’re going to win a lot of games.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
how would 19-88-10 as a line be weird?
A lot of last year that was the ONLY line that was working. It would t exactly be some new innovative crazy idea to throw them together now. But I do not think Stalberg should be moved off the top line, they are doing really well together. And hard as it is I’m going to ignore your potshot at Kane
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 9:47 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It wouldn't be weird
It would be a disproportionate allocation of talent.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
But it’s been done before and probably will be again.
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 9:58 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yep
After almost every PK, those three come out together, if Q can manage it.
by Katherine215 on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Why was Hayes sent down?
Really liked what the kid was offering, and having him in the lineup might also help persuade Q to quit wasting a lineup spot on Scott. Is there a contract-related issue that meant he had to go back to Rockford?
if hayes stays up another forward has to go down
And it’s not going to be Shaw (still think its a little weird he has the highest toi of forwards but whatever)
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 9:28 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd rather have Hayes than Shaw.
/ducks for cover.
I like Shaw, but he has cooled off considerably and I find it a little strange he is getting top PP time. I think Hayes would be better in that situation. I understand they want Shaw to be a puck winner on that unit, but I didn’t see much of that happening.
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I agree, I guess.
I’m not sure that I’d pick Shaw over Hayes—size matters, doesn’t it? But I’m not sure that Hayes would have made a difference in last night’s game. Except for maybe screwing up a defensive coverage. I love Hayes in the offensive zone, but his backchecking comes and goes. I’m sure we’ll see him up here again soon.
Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?
I don't mind either way.
I thought hayes was gelling well and would have been better in front of the net, but it seems pretty clear to me that Q won’t be letting him go
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by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 9:59 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I disagree
Hayes would be an asset on the PP, but that’s about it. I want the guy who has the better chance to get playing time in the playoffs, and I think that’s Shaw. Shaw has a better chance to stick on the third line than Hayes does, and getting that third line right (assuming the checking assignment) is a big deal for this team.
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Shaw seems a bit more clever with the puck...
I thought he might get into it with Kesler last night – that would have been worth the price of admission
Kesler pushed him on top of Ginger and then started punching him.
Shaw did well not to retaliate as the Hawks were on a PP.
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all the NHL players seem to take note of that little weasel
Who does that shrimp think he is. Shaw may lose some bouts, but he is crazy. I’d guarantee you some round house rights will be flying your way if you decide to teach him a lesson.
As the two bad guys talked in Dumb and Dumber, "Maybe we should mess the place up a bit, send them a message.
The girl looks around and says, “I don’t think they’d get that message.”
I must say
I expected Shaw to get torched last night, but he absolutely held his own on Bolland’s line, for one game anyway. Good portent.
We like our people!
Contract and numbers
some people can’t go down without going through waivers
I know I saw a quote from StanBow that kinda implied it was a pure contract decision
As in he doesn’t have to go through waivers to go up and down
A new theory regarding the TV team
Trying to avoid messing around with new setups to hear the radio feed through our TV or whatever, last night we started experimenting with selective muting. This is based on the observation that Foley’s infuriating inanity arrives in bursts, like the commercials on FM radio stations. It’s not scattered random sentences throughout the game, rather he seems to do one or two extended blatherings per period.
So the idea is, as soon as we hear Foley get started on some off-topic tangent like the Blackhawks’ heroic travel secretaries who book such great hotel rooms or the awe-inspiring generosity of Tazer’s cousin having gotten a sick kid an autographed game jockstrap, or whatever — hit the mute button. Wait 5 minutes, regardless of what’s going on in the actual Hawk game (it having no correlation with any of this), and see if he’s done with it. If not then mute him again and repeat.
It may be that this simple procedure sharply reduces having to listen to Foley’s drunk-elderly-uncle routines while maximizes exposure to his actually calling the game. There will be further testing during this road trip.
after listening to the TSN broadcast last night
I am feeling very forgiving towards Pat & Edzo…
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Better TSN than noted Canuck homer Jim Hughson on CBC
If he’s not doing a Canucks game, you’re in good shape. If he is, the pants come off in the booth by the 5 minute mark of the 1st period.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
I watched the Canadian feed
and thought it was pretty fair for the most part. Even as goofy as Panger is in the on-ice spot, he’s still better (and way less creepy) than Pierre. They quickly noted that Tazer was missing and then quickly noted that it was an equipment issue. They rightfully pointed out that the Hawks first powerplay was a lame call, and also mentioned the slash on Stals in the OT. They pointed out a few calls that could/should have been made against both teams. Like I said, a “fair” job.
But there was no 10-minute spiel on some off-ice personnel and what a hero they are. Hmmm, kind of refreshing.
Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?
I've always liked Pang as a color guy
He is a really nice person too
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
he's also an underdog
because he’s so little for a hockey player
by pang off the post on Feb 1, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
One of the funniest comments I've ever read on this board
posted by a regular at the time (can’t remember who) that no longer posts, during a debate about Hawk goalies (a goalie debate on SCH, imagine that!) referencing Panger’s diminutive size opined that the best place to shoot on Pang was the “six” hole – the space between the top of Pang’s head and the cross bar.
(I remeber doing a spit take all over my desk when I first read it.)
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I just tried clicking a link to Johnny Jackass' blog and a window popped up with nothing but a single word
“fail”
How appropriate.
See if you can guess what I am now.
I think he is on the Hockeenight puckcast this weekend.
I hope they ask his his “think about trading Kane” column.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Kane is clearly frustrated.
There was a play in the 1st period last night that caught my attention.
Kane made a nifty little move and took a shot that Ginger brushed aside to the corner with the blocker. Instead of throwing on the breaks and going after the rebound, Kaner spun off left and slammed his stick against the glass.
Rarely do you see Kaner show his emotion like that on the ice and it was an instance where you can actually say that Kane was being lazy.
Stop that Kaner.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
I thought
Kane would be on cloud nine after the ASG and skills comp. and his weekend of headlines and media gush would transfer over to extreme confidence on the ice and he would become the Nuckslayer. Oh well.
"There are rough players and there are dirty players. I'm rough and dirty."
by YouFeelShame II on Feb 1, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
he probably skated out confident
and then got stonedwalled by Schneider + made some nice plays that lead to no goals, and lost whatever euphoria he was feeling for being out on the ice.
I certainly deflated like an old balloon everytime he did something great that lead to absolutely nothing.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
Excellent effort to start the road trip.
We made a few more mistakes that cost the extra point but, as they say, it’s a game of mistakes.
This, however ,
There are a few things to be ironed out, and there are likely pieces to be acquired, but the eye-test results should be encouraging even if the end result wasn’t.
I realized that I’ve read something like this so many times this season in post game wraps that I’m starting to wonder when the ironing is going to be done and the results are going to start tipping in our favor. If they continue to play like last nights game it should be soon.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
well lets start it off that way tomorrow night
against Edm
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
lets just not take the Oilers for granted...
if we skate like we did last night I like our chances. At least RNH won’t have 5 assists on us again.
No lets hope they dont take the Oilers for granted
We’ve see how that has turned out. I think the website might actaully self-destruct if thats the case
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Hall and eberle are as dangerous as any fowards in the league.
that team always causes me sleepless nights
seeing them
in our division a lot, here’s the cheat sheet.
Hall and Eberle, and RNH when he is back, are all talented young players.
But they backcheck when they feel like it ( except for RNH, he plays a 200’ game ), and Hall likes to vacate the zone early to cherry pick ( lots of teams do that though!)
Their weakness is a shitty defense corp. Whitney has a chronic ankle thing and is slowed by it, Peckham will gladly go out of his way to make a hit and leave his goalie hanging, and the rest can be beat by a strong forecheck.
Respect them , sure. But don’t buy that hyperbole about this being the second coming of Gretz’ and Mess", because it most certainly is not.
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi. I think he was a Canucks fan...
@Vancitydan Writer at Nucks Misconduct
And keep an eye out
for Hall’s bitchy reactions after he’s hit. Not sure if he’s matured out of that yet.
@aidanbc
Roar you Lions roar
I have fowarded this information to Coach Q - good stuff
I didn’t realize Hall wasn’t a two way player -
Boy, Gilbert’s been out a long time – is he still sitting because of a concussion from the Carcillo bad decision?
RNH had 5 assisits against us last game – they still have some talent to make up for him. They beat the Av’s last night and still have 3 decent lines.
I’d gladly take his bitchy reactions if he wore a Hawk sweater.
There goaltending isn’t too bad either – but like you noted can be left hung out to dry by a shoddy d-corps
Hall
CAN be. When he feels like it. But he wants to jump the play too much.
I dont know about Gilbert, I thought he was back.
With the Oilers, its a case of them all loving their press clippings. They all thought they were world beaters after a good start. Their players and coaches even got a few subtle chirps in that they were the new NW power.
Then they get a few injuries, and fall apart like a peewee team.
Still have a way to go…
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi. I think he was a Canucks fan...
@Vancitydan Writer at Nucks Misconduct
RNH 5 assists
oh yeah, now I remember, I was here for that one.
twas brutal.
Nucks Misconduct writer, ambassador and prima donna.
Note to self: there's always a dirty joke somewhere in there....
@NM_missy
There seems to be one game in Alberta every year...
…that I completely and TOTALLY forget about, like it never happened….It never happened.
Functional SCH Addict
What happened?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
i believe the Oilers whipped you guys 9-2 or something like that.
Nucks Misconduct writer, ambassador and prima donna.
Note to self: there's always a dirty joke somewhere in there....
@NM_missy
Nope. Doesn't ring a bell.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
It is a long season
and to some degree “ironing” is synonymous with an upgraded level of caring towards the later part of the season.
Play like that the rest of the year
and they’ll be just fine.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Sure.
One game does not a playoff run make.
I think the so so goaltending impacts the defense. they think they gotta play flawlessly, hence they play with hesitance, thus more prone to error.
Like a pitcher in baseball with a shitty defense behind him. Trying to hit the corners and make the perfect pitch instead of just letting the batters hit it and letting the fielders catch it.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Pretty fairreview
You guys deserved the win based on play. And that should have been a penalty shot for Stalberg in OT, although as mentioned, that non-call was consistent with the lack of whistles throughout the game, but still I can imagine how annoying that must be as a Hawks fan given the circumstances. We won because Schneider was hot, and Hawks shouldn’t worry too much about the result except maybe the shitty PP execution (although only 2 chances is not a legitimate sample size).
by Beantown Canuck on Feb 1, 2012 10:59 AM CST reply actions
Pretty accurate sample size
Hawks shouldn’t worry too much about the result except maybe the shitty PP execution (although only 2 chances is not a legitimate sample size).
It’s been shit all year. As many have stated before, they have to get the forwards off the point. It can actually look competent when that change is made.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 1, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
The funny thing about the PP is
that for all the bitching we do about how awful it is we’re currently ranked 10th in the league. (Which really isn’t so bad IMHO).
The thing that makes it seem worse than it is is that it’s run very hot and cold. When it’s been bad it’s been godawful (and there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth), and when good we shrug and say “that’s how it’s supposed to be” and expect it to be that good all the time (perhaps unreasonably so).
But compared to the rest of the league we aint’ doing so bad, although there is definitely room for improvement.
{Current league wide PP stats here.}
Fun fact related to our PP – we are tied for 2nd in the league (with LAK) for allowing the fewest SHG (1) so far. (Boston leads having surrendered 0 SHG so far.)
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
IMO
What makes it seem worse is the high level of talent we have on the PP that can’t consistently remember how to dominate a short handed team. Can’t get it in the zone; if in the zone, can’t control the puck; if controlling the puck, can’t remember to SHOOT; if shooting, can’t remember to shoot on goal; if shooting on goal, can’t remember to miss the goalie. It’s so easy guys!
Let’s have a meeting. Someone put together a PowerPoint presentation. Boom! Problem solved.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
no guarantee stals would have dented Schneid's on a penalty shot, although he's not terrible at them.
The refes swallowing whistles is probably to our advantage. There are not to many things in life that frighten me more than being on the PK against the Twins
don't know if anyone mentioned this
but how sick was that toews dangle at the end of OT?
Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you!
by Gozer the Traveler on Feb 1, 2012 11:18 AM CST reply actions
we mentioned it.
shame he couldn’t bury it though… but welcome back, cap’n
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Feb 1, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Jimmy Hayes
I strongly suspect Jimmy Hayes is odd man out because Stan and Q want him to focus on defensive development. There’s a lot to like about the kid, and yes, I wish he were still up here. But I think he was provided an interim report card that included both high marks and area in need of improvement.
I got to believe he will be up for good by the end of the road trip. Its a matter of him working on some things in Rockford and, more importantly, Stan finding a new team for Michael Frolik.
I drool over the notion of Kruger and Hayes one day being on the same line.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
He definitely put himself into the team's future thinking with hi stay here this season
there was a lot to like … and he probably has a “to do” list of things to focus on back in the A
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.

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