Not Finding The Droids I'm Looking For
by SamFels on Feb 1, 2012 3:11 PM CST
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Yeah, more pop culture references. We tried to get away, but you can't run from who you are.
Anyway, I felt like complaining and swearing, so I have a grab bag of assorted thoughts and things that are kind of burning my ass right now.
Look people, a crazy man is yelling!
-I'm beginning to think Pat Foley actually is the guy in the section next to mine who owns a Scott and Carcillo jersey and yells the biggest meatball shit in the world. Has a game gone by where Foley hasn't mentioned the hit stats on the team or player in the past month? He wasn't alone last night, as Adam Jahns and others got in the act on Twitter.
Let's ignore that the tallying of these things vary wildly from arena to arena. I get it, the Hawks get outhit in almost every game. Meanwhile, while these wildabeests are getting into a fine lather and froth about what a bunch of pansies the Hawks are, last night they were providing a perfect example of how they can have the best of a hockey game without trying to pulverize everything that's in the other color. And that's on defense too.
The Hawks used the amount of speed they have to basically squeeze the Canucks on the backcheck into their defense waiting on the blue line. As McClure mentioned last night, the Canucks do kind of play into the Hawks' hands because they like to carry the puck into the zone with speed. But against a lot of teams, when the Hawks are as determined to work that hard in their own end, they gobble up space for other teams to make plays. They don't have to run around making boards rattle when they can do it with their feet and then make a play with their hands.
Would I like the Hawks to be a little bigger and a little nastier? Of course. Do I need them to be the Blues? No, I don't. There are different ways to win a hockey game. The Hawks showed you how they can do it best last night. Yes, smart guy, I know they didn't win last night. And if every goalie the Hawks play from here on out is as good as Schneider was last night, they'll probably lose a lot. You'd get pretty nice odds on that.
-Not every play that happens during a game warrants yet another trade suggestion. This is getting ridiculous. It seems like with any turnover, that guy's gotta go for this guy. Good god. It is most likely that the guy the Hawks bring in to shore up the defense will not be a name that will set your balls on fire. It'll be just the right sized piece to fill the hole(s) the Hawks have (by crackee!). That name doesn't change with the score.
-Ah, the John Scott rant. I won't go in depth on this one, because I don't need to. By now, everyone has seen through the protection argument. What last night was Q being pissed off at Sean O'Donnell's performance against Nashville and benching him for it. And it was Q deciding that dressing no one was better than dressing Sami Lepisto. And make no mistake, when he plays Scott, he's playing no one, because 5 minutes of time does not constitute an actual human. Was Lepisto so bad that he's worse than an empty slot? If Quenneville thinks so, then he might as well have stuck with O.D. If he's trying to make a point to his GM, that point has already been well made.
-I decided to have some fun with numbers because I'm a huge loser. The Hawks are spending $36k or so for every goal from Viktor Stalberg. They're getting goals from Captain Marvel at a rate of $138K per. Kane's come in at 338K. League leader Steven Stamkos is about the same as Toews. Obviously, this is a stupid way to measure things, the only point I'm trying to make is just how much the Hawks are getting from Stalberg for his contract and expectations. This was the goal and point total I expected from him for 82 games, not 51. While the bile for him probably isn't as high as I think it is in my twisted little mind, I just wish more people would pay attention to what Rattlehead is instead of isn't. And last night, he was the best player on the ice. For either team, and I've got emails from some Canucks bloggers who wholeheartedly agree with that.
-In the time Patrick Sharp missed, the Hawks scored six power play goals in eight games. They came from both units. That's not a revolutionary rate, but it's hardly bad either. They did it with two d-men on each unit, both playing the point, if you can believe that. It had Dave Bolland floating from combining on the goal line with Andrew Brunette to the high slot. So did Toews. So why when Sharp comes back from injury does Bolland go back to the point and Sharp return to the point as well?
Ok, think I'm done now.
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I think we've reached internet petition stage of forwards on the PP point
I’ll start it if y’all will sign it. I can’t handle wasting a forward up there any more.
I saw your comments with Jahns last night too. His sample size of a period and a half for judging the 3rd line as being unconscionable come playoff time was unusual. He’s much more savvy than that normally. Credit to him for conceding the point a little though. Kuc or Sassone would tell you the sky was yellow just to fit their narrative.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 3:25 PM CST reply actions
Sam's reaction to that was odd to me
given that he wrote in the pregame that their lack of size was a bit of a concern to him. It is concerning – we’ve seen what’s happened to small-ish Leddy as teams figured out how to rattle him. So is the fact that they’re 20 and 21 and lacking playoff experience. I didn’t think Jahns’ comments were that shocking. Small sample size goes both ways. And I like both Shaw and Kruger a lot, I just don’t know if they’re the answer to that line come April. A season or two from now, I’m much less worried.
Remind me again
Who is this Sami Lepisto character you speak of? Sighs.
I think it’s past time Bowman acquiesce to dealing a little bit too much of his prospects/picks to get that difference making stay-at-home d-man that can share minutes.
He added a depth forward, now he needs to add that depth d-man. The closer he waits to the deadline the costlier that price tag will be.
Come again?
so Stan panics now and gives away some prospects, all for a middling D – Man? And even at that, perhaps just a rental? No, I don’t think so – he has a team that’s fighting for 1st place right now, he’s not dealing from a position of weakness, far from it. He’s also shown that he knows when to deal and when to hold, and unless someone comes in with a reasonable offer he can just sit back and watch the idiots jump off the ledge and give away the store.
It's not panic
that would be waiting till the deadline and overpaying for said middling d-man.
I wasn’t suggesting nor did I think anyone that’s interested would suggest the Hawks need a “middling” d-man.
There are plenty of quality stay-at-home d-men. And overpaying might just mean including a draft pick with a prospect as opposed to trading prospects to get a d-man.
For 2 yrs. now they’ve had a need for a stay at home d-man, and for 2 yrs. now they’ve mixed and matched pieces, why not go and get someone that fills that need. I’m sure Bowman is working the wires, I just don’t want him stuck settling for what’s left over.
Fine, I'll bite
who are these quality stay-at-home d that are readily and openly available?
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 1, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
John Scott.
He stays at home. Problem solved.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That's beautiful.
Many hilarity. Laughing out loud right here.
General miscreant, ne'er do well and hockey dilettante. Not to be trusted or believed under any circumstances.
Readily is subjective
I admit I have no inside knowledge as to what names are available, just a wish list of sorts of the kind of d-man I think would fit the bill.
I suppose it’s as assumption to think or believe that Bowman wouldn’t pull the trigger if there’s a name out there available that fits the bill, but it’s been suggested by those in the media that Bowman might want something more or different than just a stay-at-home d-man.
That’s fine, I just think there’s been a need for a d-man that can play the stay-at-home role and eat some minutes, as opposed to trotting out SOD nightly; J.Scott for 5 minutes taxing the rest of the corps; or not dressing S. Lepisto.
So the Hawks need a d-man?
Obviously. But saying the longer Bowman waits, the higher the price tag goes up is simply wrong.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 1, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
how do you figure?
Supply and demand. Other contenders in need of similar assets won’t drive the price up?
No one is going to drive the price up to astronomical proportions
And the buyers know the sellers don’t want to end up stuck paying contracts that they don’t have to.
So it basically turns into the sellers having to choose between whose shit smells better.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 1, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Additionally, the value to the acquiring team becomes lower, as there are few games for their new player to make a difference in.
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I'm not sure I agree with that
What happens if the acquired player isn’t on an expiring deal?
Or simply not just a rent-a-player.
That does affect it, yes, but the initial cost for that type of deal is higher to begin with. The fact remains that there’s still less time on a deal any way you slice it.
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It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
I guess it depends on your idea of steep
I don’t think any of the sellers are expecting bad contracts in return. At least not in any scenario where they are providing a team with that proverbial last piece of the puzzle.
Last year Campoli cost a second round pick.
This year GM’s are reportedly asking for 2 first round picks for some of these guys. I agree with FF John, the market for the UFA’s has to go down or the original teams risk not getting anything for them.
I think you misunderstood my first point
For instance, the Carolina Hurricanes don’t want to have to pay Tuomo Ruutu’s contract through the end of the season. Buying teams know this. So the Hurricanes will either have to settle for whatever teams are offering at the deadline or be stuck with Ruutu.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 1, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ok yeah I misunderstood.
Carolina is obviously peddling Ruutu to several teams if you believe the rumor mill: Ottawa, Detroit, Chicago.
Yes, they ultimately will settle for the “best” offer or get stuck with Ruutu and probably lose him in free agency.
It's about relative changes in supply and demand
The price may go up, it may go down, it may stay about the same.
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Why are we worried about trading away a couple of prospects?
Especially forwards. 4 of our top 6 forwards aren’t going anywhere. 4th liners are generally available at reasonable salaries. What I worry about is that these “prospects” never get to play on the big club and when they do, they are put in roles they weren’t really drafted to play.
Still not sure what's going on w/Lepistö...
Granted, he could be insurance for the playoffs, but how much rust are they going to let him collect on the bench?
I can see the train of logic of putting Scott on the ice in light of Toews/Sharp’s known injuries; as illustrated by the writers over at a Canucks blog calling for intentional slashes to them. However, Lepistö played an average 15 min TOI vs VAN over the last 2 games vs the Canucks; he was +3 in those games, and wasn’t on the ice for a single goal against in that ghastly 11/6 game. Huh, so sit a guy who plays good D against the Canucks in favor of the guy who got just 5 min TOI and then see Keith break the 30 minute mark. Think it’s been proven that the Hawks play their best when Keith’s time is down in the low 20s.
Guy can’t be trade bait if he’s sitting in the press box collecting dust; but the Blackhawks aren’t going to risk losing any viable players to waivers (e.g., Bickell, Frolik, Lepistö) w/o a return, either. If Lepistö wants ice time, then he’s got to show the desire for it in practice, because he’s not getting the opportunity to show it in games. John & Troy said it well in a post-game show on WGN recently: none of the Blackhawks’ 6th D-men are exactly showing they’re eager to grab the job with both hands and run with it. When one of them does, that’s who we’ll see – or, if Stan can somehow obtain one of these mythical physical, stay-at-home defensemen that people seem to think are just growing on trees out there for the plucking.
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Hey HB
Think it’s been proven that the Hawks play their best when Keith’s time is down in the low 20s.
That’s more of a chicken-egg situation. Hawks are leading —→ Keith doesn’t get overworked.
But your points remain.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
re: Foley
Yeah he’s getting to the Hawk Harrelson level of meatballness and making the game unenjoyable. While I understand why and even liked that they brought him back I think it’s time to start looking for a replacement.
I will now sit here and wait for stones to be thrown at me.
Life is risk
you won't get any of that from me
there are only a few here who rise like a man to defend their beloved Pat. I remember when he first started, when I was still pining for the greatness that was Petit – but he won me over soon after, he was that good quite early on. I think a lot of his problems would be solved by asking his partner to take his talents full – time over to VS. The change would do both of them a world of good, they’re much better when not working with each other these days.
Compared to other commentators
I like Pat Foley. Burn me at the stake if you have to. I agree he goes on rants and then jumps into the play. Meh, I can live with it.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
I"m not saying he's terrible
but they’ve been together too long now, rot has been setting in for awhile at this point. And yeah, we’ve heard all the usual “but the other team’s announcers are awful!” ad nauseum. So what? This franchise should be held to a higher standard, not some meatheads like Jack Riley.
I've never lived outside the area
so I can’t say what other teams announcers sound like but that won’t stop me from throwing out an unsubstantiated blanket statement:
This town’s teams hold on to announcers far too long just because they’re “fan favorites.”
Life is risk
I live on the East Coast (unfortunately)
I use NHL Center Ice and was forced to listen to other broadcasts. I enjoy some of the other commentators, but some other teams just have horrid broadcasts. Buffalo comes to mid when it comes to bad.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
Rick Jeannerat? (sp)
"Make the bastard chase you, he will follow."
by RaoulDuke27 on Feb 2, 2012 11:31 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
If Eddie leaves and we're stuck with Steve Konroyd
I’m permanently muting the center channel speaker at the house. He’s the worst, Jerry. THE WORST!
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
And you have to
hear him say against in a very weird way too.
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I respectfully disagree
He is a little dull, but I’m super tired of Edzo’s schick. He is turning into John Madden (the football coach). Also Pat is much better behaved when Steve is in the booth
SCH moderator.
I agree with your disagreement.
Although, I may like Konroyd so much because he is NOT Edzo and Foley’s stupidity is somewhat tempered when he’s paired with the Royd.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Entitled to your opinions, fellas
I respect that. Just that I find him as scintillating as a Bill Belichick press conference.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, he's as dull as a paper knife
but he knows his stuff and doesn’t try to entertain all the 12 year olds that are watching.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
One could argue
his job is not to entertain but to enlighten. The game is supposed to be the entertainment. That’s one of the reasons I never liked Harry Caray, he was the entertainment and distracted from the game.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
That is a good point. Seriously.
But: Will Rick Foley ever reach the point of entertainment > information where Will Ferrell (or some other SNLer) does impressions of him?
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by My Name Is Agony on Feb 1, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
At least Caray
had between at-bats/pitches/plays to do whatever it is he does. Foley doesn’t really have that luxury as often.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
but that's why Harry was so welcomed in the booth
because the vast majority of Cubs’ teams during his tenure sucked donkey balls. If not for Carey, the Cub’s widespread popularity (despite being a perennial doormat) would probably not have happened. That, plus being on a Superstation almost every afternoon with live games at Wrigley.
Lloyd Pettit
was the best. Foley was very good but I agree, his pairing with Edzo helps neither of them…
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by TazerNation19 on Feb 2, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
While I'm not defending Foley . . .
. . . you have to remember that he works for the Blackhawks and is not supposed to be some hard-hitting journalist. And the “hit ’em” meatball stance has always been marketing 101 for the NHL unfortunately. Still, as he has watched decades of hockey, you would expect more insight into the game and the Hawks than he provides. We expect more than “there’s tree turty tree” left in the period.
That's a good point
and in fact, if I recall correctly a large part of the reason Dollar Bill whacked him was because he was too critical of the team. I realize he works for the Hawks and he’s going to be a bit meatballish if it helps promote the team and increase ratings. However, my biggest problems with him are when he goes off on some stupid five minute story while the game is in full swing and of course his schtick with Edzo.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
just another example of how Twitter makes you stupid
it’s like a stream of consciousness thing for some folks, those who speak often before thinking, a bad combo for the meatheads out there. For those of a similar bent it’s a veritable cornucopia of Tourette’s Syndrome.
When properly used, it's quite the informational tool
But yeah, there are some folks that should consider what they say. I usually put disclaimers out before certain games that I’m probably going to be uncivil for the next 3 hours. Last night was one such occasion. Trolled the Vancouver folks for the first two periods. Even us stat folks need to bathe in au jus every once in a while. By the third period, I’d settled in to watching, enjoying and analyzing a great hockey game.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Hawks spent only $32k per goal last year from.... wait for it...
BICKELL!
(didn’t want to let anyone down)
Man, people must have been calling out Stalberg left and right last night again? Ouch.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 3:51 PM CST reply actions
What's this have to do with anything?
The $32K per goal (last year) has nothing to do with the criticism of Bickell, which was and remains the fact that he doesn’t play to his size, as often as we like. I think at the end of the year everyone was pleased with his production. This year, not only is not playing to his size, he’s not producing. He’s basically become Jake Dowell. So he sits. Too bad, cause I loved me some 3rd line of Bo, Fro, Bick.
What am I missing re: Stals? He was one of the best players on the ice, and regardless of how or why, his turnover at the blue line led to a goal the other way, there was some groaning among in the GDT about that play, but mostly people giving hims props for a well deserved star of the game.
That may be the public's criticism of Bickell
but Q’s criticism is about defensive lapses.
I"ve noticed Bickell do fly byes on defense . . .
. . . when he needs to stop and cover an opponent.
So is he Maverick or Goose?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'll fire when I'm goddamn good and ready. You got that?
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 2, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
And Stals -
just wait until he figures-out he is actually one of the bigger guys too.
Not sure if you meant that in jest?
Sam joked about how he might be a just a tad protective of Stals. He’s got his psychosis about certain players, I’ve got mine.
People out there, Foley for example, are criticizing Stals because, as a big guy, he’s not “HITTING SOMEBODY!” even though he is scoring. Seems stupid right?
Yet, in regards to a checking line player (who shouldn’t go out of position to make “unnecessary” hits, but was still 2nd on the team) you write:
The $32K per goal (last year) has nothing to do with the criticism of Bickell, which was and remains the fact that he doesn’t play to his size
I’m getting the joke, right?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
And FYI
Only Mayers averages fewer minutes this year than Bickell, but even Mayers has played 10 more games.
Yet who’s the team leader among forwards in hits?
So maybe it’s not that Bickell doesn’t play to his size. Maybe it’s simply because he’s not producing, despite the pleas of “Hit somebody!” Q found lightning in a bottle with Shaw and Hayes instead. Two young guys willing to not only lay some hits, but who have also been able to dent twine. Kind of like Bickell last season, no? (the #BickellFacts last season were hilarious, btw)
There is no room for Bickell on this team with the way Shaw is playing. The only way he works his way back into the lineup is if someone cools down. If that means Bickell doesn’t play again because Shaw doesn’t slow his roll, I’ll be as happy as anyone to see that. But I doubt, in general*, it’s because he’s not playing to his size. (*once moved to the 4th line he hasn’t picked up the physicality, but that was after he lost his slot on the 3rd line and fell into the doghouse)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Agree with this:
So maybe it’s not that Bickell doesn’t play to his size. Maybe it’s simply because he’s not producing, despite the pleas of "Hit somebody!"
I also think Frolik finds himself in a similar spot as Bickell.
Agreed on Frolik
Q is having tryouts on the third line. Kruger and Shaw are getting shots at it. Two of the four need to step up or the Hawks have to get somebody outside the organization to fill that role.
I cant believe i had such high
hopes for Kelso…sigh
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I thought he was doing real well
on Two and a Half Men.
Meh, I liked him much better on That 70's Show
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
that's not a nice thing to say
about Demi Moore..
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Boo-urn
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Would you like
an ice pack with that BURRRNNNNN!
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Is that her age or her weight?
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Ouch thats mean!
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The dim witted one
who is played by Ashton Kutcher on that 70’s show
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For dosent help himself
by firing at the net from a terrible angle EVERY TIME he has the puck on his stick in the zone
SCH moderator.
He does take alot of crazy shots
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I just think he wants to
make something happen though
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Bickell showed he has a wrist shot that can be useful
It’s disappeared for the better part of this season. You know just as well as any of us that hits is a flawed stat. Physical or not, Bryan Bickell has been a tremendous disappointment in terms of contributing secondary scoring after showing he was quite capable in doing so last year. Combined with the penalties this season, he’s taking away more than he’s adding.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Penalties? Penalties? You're talking Penalties??
Bickell is 3rd on the team, behind only Toews and Hossa in PDrawn/60 (1.4) vs PTaken/60 (0.8).
C’MON! IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?? BRING IT ON!!!
Um, but yeah. I agree with the rest.
And I think I need to remind myself others that I picked Bickell this summer as this year’s disappointment and said he would get dropped to the 4th line. Didn’t expect Brunette to be taking up a slot there though which is probably why Bickell got yanked from the 3rd to the bench without much of a tryout on the 4th.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
We were commenting on Fels attempt to defend Stalberg using production per cost.
Didn’t work defending Bickell last year. Which was the point.
Heard it on the radio
Immediately thought Byfuglien. Probably more wrong than laughing at the initial story. Oh well. Crucify me.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
The day may come
when Lepisto plays.
It will be a sad day. For who can compare to the burgeoning Myth of Lepisto?
We like our people!
Andrew Ladd was the biggest loss after the cup that didn't need to happen.
Thanks, Niemi!
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Of all the players we lost
after the Cup run, I miss Ladd the most.
by AZHawksfan on Feb 1, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I miss him
Big Buff, Steeger, Soupy, Sopel, Tomokop, Nemo, Brouwer, Burish, Eager, Hell even Huet and Boynton ok not really Boynton.
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Sorry I forgot.
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DAMMIT BOYNTON WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?!?!
Sorry…natural reaction to the name, happens every time.
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by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 1, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm all bitter at Niemi and his douchebag agent again.
Wonderful
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Because Niemi was not going to get what he was asking for after 1 season in the NHL
And he did not. His current SPC came after he also continued to play well into his 2nd campaign, that is when he starte to recieve the bigger $$$.
Even after the SCF, Niemi was young and relativley inexperienced with not much track record. His asking price was over his value AT THAT TIME and his agent new on top of this it was above what the Hawks could afford. The Hawks offered $1.5-$2.0M, Niemi was asking 2x’s that. In the end he ended up getting pretty much the Hawks offered a 1yr $2M deal with SJS. Niemi was established, liked, new the system being played with the Hawks and the Hawks were the defending Champs, but he was being marketted out of range and this lead to his departure.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 2, 2012 6:32 AM CST up reply actions
You say
The Hawks offered $1.5-$2.0M, Niemi was asking 2x’s that. In the end he ended up getting pretty much the Hawks offered a 1yr $2M deal with SJS.
So basically Niemi’s agent got him the max contract he could expect after one year. I question if the Hawks offered 2 million, based on the Hjalmarsson deal and how close to the cap they were with only 1.3 million to Turco, but I don’t know one way or the other. But he did move him to a team that had a GM who believed in a pay a goalie mentality as opposed to the Bowman system of any solid goalie will do and then got a contract extension that pays him well. And it was a contending team.
But what exactly did his agent do wrong again? He got him the most money, kept him on a winning team and put him in position to get a nice raise. I’m guessing Niemi is pretty well liked in SJ now as well.
I also doubt that his agent was acting alone and Niemi was completely innocent in the entire thing. I somehow doubt his agent never gave him the decision to sign in Chicago but if he wanted the top paying contract he was going to need to relocate. If he didn’t, then fine he’s a doucebag. Otherwise, he just did his job and actually did it pretty well.
His agent DID NOT get him the most or even more money!!!
Niemi made very little if ANY more money playing last year for SJS over what Chicago was willing to pay.
Niemi’s new deal only kicked in this year, an option the Hawks could have also done after last season started! For the same time frame the Hawks offered for a deal (1-2yr @ ~$2M) he got with the Sharks. Just like the Sharks signed him to an extension during the Season last year, the Hawks could have done the same and I am willing to bet for probably about the same amount. If Niemi is signed in July 2010, a couple of the late UFAs the Hawks pick up after that change to meet the Cap.
His agent over played Niemi’s hand (Niemi is a new guy to all this, his agent is not) In the end he did NOT get him anymore money and caused him to leave a very good and stable situation in Chicago to a new shakier situation in SJS who just cut ties with their franchise Goalie, a shaky defense, among other issues.
Niemi is not blameless, but his agent has the experience and he overplayed the SC. The Hawks were more in line with his market value (which is what he ended up signing for on another team) his agent over priced.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 2, 2012 7:18 AM CST up reply actions
How can you say the Hawks offered 1.5 – 2.0 million and his contract was 2 million in SJ and say the Hawks offered more? They didn’t and they probably offered less. Sure the Hawks could’ve offered a multi-year deal, my guess is they didn’t because Niemi would’ve wanted more money as the deal progressed and they needed the cap hit to be as small as possible last year. Add in the extension for this year and there was little to no real way the hawks offered as much for a one year or over a two year period (5.2 million is what he made over those two years). So explain how he didn’t get more money in SJ with his 2 million deal last year and his current deal? The best case is the hawks offer equally as much, but the most likely case is they would offer less.
The reason I get upset at people calling his agent stupid or a doucebag is because he did gamble and got “luckly” with the SJ signing. Or maybe he correctly estimated the market value of his client and got him that deal because he does know what he’s doing and his client has faith that he could prove to be the type of goalie he is in any situation.
I somehow doubt Niemi’s agent didn’t give him the choice between most money, stay with Chicago, or most money on a contending team. I don’t care how new to the process you are that is an understandable choice. If Niemi felt screwed by his agent, he wouldn’t have let him negotiate the new deal. His agent did what he wanted and he did it well.
Well,
So explain how he didn’t get more money in SJ with his 2 million deal last year and his current deal?
Because for starters his current deal is irrelevant to the time of his departure. It had not happened and Niemi had not proven he was the real deal. Exactly what the Hawks offered I can’t find but ~$2M is the number I keep finding in reports ($1.5M low a few slightly over $2M). SJS was a risk, much more then most saw sticking with the Hawks to be at the time.
Any extension that happened after Game 1 last season is mute, since the Hawks has as much flexability in doing the same thing. My argument is the 1yr $2M deal and bringing the Hawks to arbitration. His agent was a douche. As you state he gambled, and got lucky! He had the real deal with all the knowns and certainties in Chicago, he rolled the dice instead, this makes his agent IMO dumb. Neimi would have quickly gotten a long term deal as soon as the Hawks could do it, just July was not the time they could. If Niemi has a regressive season last year or SJS other new (bigger) pieces fail, they would be in rebuild or regression mode right now, and Niemi loses big, if he had stayed in Chicago he still wins since he probably had deal in hand before that was realized.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 2, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, because I see no way he gets the deal he got in SJ with Chicago. Both the 2 million and the extension. The extension isn’t a Bowman like contract for a goalie and they had Crawford in the wings. Also, I don’t think SJ was that much of a risk, but getting a contract from a SJ was a risk as most teams had found their starting goalies, even SJ.
If Niemi had a regressive season last year he was screwed either way. I don’t think the Hawks wouldn’t have paid him and signed an extension just because he had previously won the cup. Which is why it made sense to me to get as much money as possible.
Seriously there are people still criticizing Niemi's agent?
You’ve got to be kidding. Niemi’s agent went to arbitration for his client. I would fire any agent that didn’t do that when he could. The award for Niemi was TOTALLY in the range of what the Hawks ACTUALLY GAVE Crawford after the same amount of time in the NHL.
If the offer sheet didn’t show up, Niemi would have gotten his money, Hjammer would have gotten considerably less money and the Hawks would have had both players. It is NOT Niemi’s agents fault that Wilson gave an offer sheet.
was waiting until someone pointed this out
DW was the douchebag in this scenario, I’m still hoping the Hawks remember his little breach of GM etiquette when the time comes and really put the hammer to him.
Wilson left Chicago on bad terms
and remains somewhat bitter to this day. But that doesn’t mean he’s a douchbag in this scenario. He saw an opportunity to get a goalie he thought would help his team, and he took it. He broke no rules. Knowing he was screwing the Hawks must have made it sweeter for him, but I don’t think that was his primary motive.
by Gate3anuhHalf on Feb 2, 2012 10:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What he did was legal
but you don’t see that type of scenario often played out these days. And almost every former Hawk left under bad terms, they had to labor under Dollar Bill – so as for that being the underlying reason, forgettaboutit.
I guess I had left this out because once Hjammer got offer sheeted, Niemi’s agent knew (or at least I hope knew) arbitration was a ticket out of town, but he continued on that path.
The decision he made at that point is what I have felt TMFF and I were discussing. But yes the offer sheet is what led to the final decision.
What choice does he have at that point?
Hawks are going to choose between the two of them. If the Hawks choose Niemi he is going to get his arbitration award.
If the Hawks choose Hjammer, do you really expect Niemi’s agent to go to his client and say “you need to sign for half your value this year?”
Sure you are going to lose value if you get rejected after arbitration. At that time the UFA market has dried up. However, it doesn’t dry up enough for Niemi to only get half his original value.
Niemi’s agent did everything right for his client and it worked out alright for Niemi.
Woohoo I get to argue both sides of the same argument in the same thread.
No actually I agree, but there are plenty of people, and TMFF seems to be one of them, that would claim signing for what the Hawks offered was his best option. Or at least seem to feel the Hawks offered more than probably you or I think they did. The Hawks offer is where the divide comes from IMO. If the Hawks offered 2 million before arbitration and his agent rejected it, then I do think it was a big gamble, but I just don’t think the Hawks offered that much and his agent was fairly confident he could get around that number as a FA.
That is where people are wrong.
After the Hawks reject the arbitration award, the Hawks could still sign Niemi if the offer to Niemi is bellow a percentage of the arbitration award. Off the top of my head that was 10% less.
Anyway 2M is way below the threshold. So the Hawks could have signed Niemi for that 2M if they wanted to. Since they chose NOT to, all of those arguments you are now making are irrelevant.
As for “pre-offer,” the Hawks knew the market for Niemi since I knew the market for Niemi. Just look at what Halak and Price were getting. Niemi didn’t have as much experience but he had a ring. So that 2.5 to 2.7 range is what anyone should have expected Niemi to get. He wasn’t going to sign for 2M before the offer-sheet.
BTW, It is actually ironic that Niemi eventually did sign with SJ since Wilson cost him 700K for the year.
Wrong,
Once the arbitrator has rendered his descision THAT is the number both the player and team must sign too, nothing more nothing less. In no case may the arbitrator reward for less than 85% of the previous years salary. If either party (who can) reject the descion the RFA becomes a full UFA free to negotiate with any team for any contract. Descisons to reject the arbitration must be done with 48 hours of the descision.
Up until the arbitrator made his descision Niemi could have signed for whatever amount (within CBA guidleines), but once he said $2.75M, this was the set number if he was going to play for the Hawks. If the arbitration award is rejected, that player and team may not negotiate until the conclussion of the following season or that players next SPC expires.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 2, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Where do you see that they cannot negotiate until the next season? I don’t read that anywhere in Section 12, it only says that the player becomes a FA. (Also, I do not see the 10% or less part either.) I didn’t see a special group in section 10 either, but I only read the CBA when I need to go to sleep anyways.
I would think as a FA he could sign with anyone including the Hawks, but they just lost their ability to be the only team to negotiate with him. The general idea being UFAs get more money than RFAs so you wouldn’t be able to walk away and sign him for less, but the timing and the cap sort of screws that up.
Will have to get back to you on this
I cannot pull up the CBA .txt on this PC at work, used NHL FAQ and other hockey sites info on the current CBA arbitration to pull this info together. If it is wrong I stand corrected, but I want to see before I admit I am dorked up.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 2, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Walk away players
Is a RFA level free agent for any offer below 80% of the award And is an UFA for anything above that.
Don’t remember ever reading anything that says once the team was walked away, they couldn’t renegotiate. However, at that point you have had all kinds of time to sign and the player hasn’t. So unless you take the arbitration award, don’t see the original team signing him as an UFA.
You reall want to argue with me on the CBA? :)
If the player accepts an offer from a
New Club in respect of that year of the contract which the Prior Club has walked-away from that is less than 80% of the award for such year, the Prior Club may, within seven (7) days after the
date it receives the applicable Offer Sheet, elect to match the offer of the New Club and the Player and the Prior Club shall enter into a Player Contract on those terms and conditions;
Since the offer from SJ was 72% of the award, the Hawks could have matched that offer and kept Niemi.
Awesome to know
And why the Hawks did not jump, unless by that time they had already given up and spent what little cushion they had on other UFAs and could not.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 2, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
What SB said.
When Bowman said that Niemi and Hjammer weren’t going anywhere, I think he believed that to be true.
I think he had Niemi budgeted in the 2.6-7 range and Hjammer in the 1.7-2.2 range. So 4.9 tops.
When the offer sheet happened and Hjammer came in at 3.5, you only had 1.3 to reach the top end of the budget. Voila, Turco.
The combination of Toews winning MVP and the offer sheet cost the Hawks Niemi. Actually, if Toews hadn’t won the Conn Smythe, I don’t think there would have been an offer sheet.
So moral of the story, it’s all Toews’ fault.
I'm with you.
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Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Tell you what
He and I are the same age. I’d GLADLY take $750K for 11 games of service time to this point. Of course, he wants to play. I just want the paper.
I suppose this doesn’t address the question of why he isn’t playing though so…. HEY! LOOK! A BLUE CAR!
/runs
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
When the age of Scott comes crashing down!!
Hold your ground, Lepisto! Hold your ground!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Just wondering
i didnt see the whole game just the 1 st period. I was wondering how morison fit in with Sharp and Hossa during the game.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Thanks hopefully
that will be a solid line come Playoff Time.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Color me unimpressed
1 game. Small sample size. And he was probably nervous. Iced the puck on a PP. Turned it over on a cycle. I’m with holding judgment. He deserves some time to gel. I get it.
But to me and what I saw, he didn’t look any different that Kruger on that line out there.
I sometimes find
it almost hard to believe that people have a hard time playing with Hossa and Sharp hopefully morrison will gel with them.
Im too lazy to make a signature
swine!
ChrisKuc Chris Kuc
#Blackhawks game vs. Blues on Feb. 19 will be on NBC and has been moved to am 11:30 a.m. start. Also, Feb. 18 game moved to noon.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Waffles!
I guess that doesn’t apply across the pond, but waking up to brunch and a rivalry game was pretty awesome for Canucks vs Bruins/Sha-arks. And games are even more exciting without the therapeutic properties of adult beverages.
@aidanbc
Roar you Lions roar
yes..
early=good but in my case that means a 17.30 start.. won’t get home from work till closer to 19.00.. argh!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
FUCK
That’s Hossa bobblehead day and I am going to it. You mean I have to get there at 9:45 now? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Well... that was unusual
My original comment was that this is Hossa bobblehead day and I am attending. Have to get there at 9:45 now just to get one. OUTRAGE!
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
damn, man
for a Hossa bobblehead and a game against the Blues I’d be happy to camp out overnight outside the UC
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
on his shoulders after last night's treatment, i should think
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
When we win the Stanley Cup during the
parade Hossa Kane Toews and Sharpie will be throwing them out the bus for all the fans to get one so now 3 million people will have an oppurtunity to celbrate all the hard work you have done for this great franchise.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Oh, I'm not complaining really
I just value the ability to sleep until 11 on my Sundays. Getting up at 8:30 isn’t a dream scenario. Let’s see… how do I tag this…
#lazyfirstworldproblems
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
One of the few drawbacks to the bandwagon culture of the last few years
I love the bandwagon Johns. I really do. But I’ll be DAMNED if they prevent me from securing a Marian Hossa bobblehead. I’ll drop the flippers with a gate attendant if necessary.
Generally, for any promo item, you better get there when the gates open.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 1, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
keep hitting the gym...
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Feb 1, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Aren't we all?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
It redefines
“butt hurt”
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 1, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Kuc is taking a bit of a pounding on the twittargh
in between answering questions from cretins.
Oh, well, it’s a tough life
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
unless it's a parody account
twitter’s not the ideal place for a journalist to try to use sarcasm. Especially when they’re as bad at it as Kuc.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
He eventually admitted that he goofed there
but I think “Future Hall of Fame Coach Joel Quenneville” is gonna be my new meme.
Do not question the Stache!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 6:50 AM CST up reply actions
What about Tyler Myers?
I’m watching the Rangers and Sabres, think there is a way we can get Tyler Myers for something? Seems lofty there I think… Maybe they’d take a C (Kruger?) + ? I don’t know i don’t think we have the bullets in the gun for Myers.
After this season he gets $5.5 mil a year until 2019
There’s no way I see him leaving Buffalo.
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 1, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
ah
Just keeping my eyes on dmen that fit hawks needs
We can always dream
It just sucks when that pesky reality gets in the way. ):
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 1, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
Toni Lydman might be nice too
He’s struggling in ANA this year but he is near the leaders in SHTOI
Mark Stuart (WIN)
Ladislav Smid (EDM)
I'd like Lyndman the most out of that group
I don’t know if Anaheim is selling or if they think they can make a run for it, Winnipeg is close, I think Edmonton is the most likely trader out of the 3.
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 1, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
What about
i know im going to get a lot of heat for this but what about bring back the Whiz?
Im too lazy to make a signature
Look at the contract first
Whiz was a ‘prob not’ before he signed that deal with Columbus, no way in hell now
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
Toni Lydman is absolutely logical to consider
His name has stuck in my head the last few weeks. And most importantly I think Stan and Bob Murray could come together on a deal that gives Anaheim a nice return. I’m willing to overpay to get a Lydman. The organ-I-zation has the young depth and the caliber of young depth to make a ballsy trade. This team isnt’ going anywhere at playoff hockey time unless there is upgrade on defense.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Pat Foley
I grew up listening to Lloyd Pettitte doing Hawks games. It was wonderful experience on so many levels. Then in the early 80’s while at college I was introduced to Pat Foley on the radio. And oh how great he was.
But yes, Pat Foley has significantly deteriorated since coming back from his banishment of doing AHL broadcasts. To the point where I find myself looking for the radio. Foley has gotten overly arrogant and opinionated. He’s also developed terminal diarhea of the mouth. And I hate like hell how he doesn’t hide his disdain for the thoughtful and hockey intelligent Steve Konroyd.
In sum, the great Pat Foley has morphed into an insufferable asshole. And the broadcast has significantly deteriorated.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Damn it
I agree with you on this. Completely. I became a Foley fan while in Madison and was disappointed when he was whacked by Dollar Bill. However, that was then and now is now.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
I agree too
I find myself scrambling for the remote to mute his stupidity a lot of games. I’ve come to understand what my grandpa was doing all those years ago watching Cubs games in silence.
by activestick on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Andrew Shaw
Yeah, I like the kid just like everybody else. But honest truth is Shaw is being over-exposed right now and Q shouild know better. Shaw is a sandpaper guy and, I’ve learned, damned smart on the ice. His net presence alone is refreshing on a team of complementary forwards who refuse to play in front of the net.
Q needs to back off the Shaw accelarator. Right now I don’t want to see Shaw logging major crunch time shifts. Alternate him between the second and fourth pairing and I’ll be happier about the kid.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Watching Kopecky, Brouwer, other ex-Hawks now laboring for Caps/Panthers
It’s sickeningly ironic considering trading for costly help from other teams when you’ve had to jettison from the fold such good players because of their costs
Please stop
Troy Brouwer was an enigma with the Hawks. The most frustrating player to watch from game to game during the 3 year playoff run preceding his much deserved departure. And lest we forget, Bowman smartly spun the enigma for a 1st round pick that ended up being Brandon Saad.
Tomas Kopecky was / is a dime o’ dozen winger. A commodity in this league. An eminently replaceable commodity just as soon as his pricetag reached a point.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
I... I agree... with Blou?
What just happened? Where am I? Is this real life?
But seriously, Kopecky was awful with us, and is indeed replaceable. Brouwer I miss a little, but shit happens.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Ditto
Up is black, white is down, dogs living in sin, cats doing what they do. Everything is jumbled up.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Brouwer was traded for a first round pick
That ended up being Philip Danault. A kid invited to, but not making the Canada World Juniors Team. So BLou was wrong about that. Did that help any? :)
And Brouwer
has been pretty good for the Caps this year, adding some… “grit.” Isn’t that why we insert scott into the lineup most nights?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lN7V4_Gx0
"I know, Chicago will be cold, tomorrow,
Let's cash in on our thin blood and have another one."
"Grit"
In quotes, because with Scott, we’re not really adding grit. We’re just showing everyone what grit looks like in a 6’8" frame sitting on the bench.
A picture of grits
like you see on a menu. Also like grits, he never gets ordered.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Brouwer has more fights this season
than Scott.
/meathead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lN7V4_Gx0
"I know, Chicago will be cold, tomorrow,
Let's cash in on our thin blood and have another one."
we'll call him Gritty McHustlestein
h/t to Fire Joe Morgan.
I think someone logical and reasonable must have found his laptop
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
really the only hawks that we can afford now that have their names on the cup are
Brouwer at 2.3mil. I’ll take a pass on him and his inconsistencies
Kopy at 3.0mil. Again, too much to watch him fall down all year. (also only 20 points this year so not killing it)
Versteeg at 3.1mil. After seeing his stats this year, I’d happily welcome him back, but we couldnt afford him after the cup
Ladd at 4.4mil. Always will love him, but at 4.4 too expensive.
Niemi at 3.8mil. After CaulderCrow I was ok with seeing him leave, but I would like him back as well now, hindsight my friend. We couldnt afford to keep him after the cup anyway.
This leads me to my most important point. None of these players address what the Hawks really need right now: defenseman
SCH moderator.
Niemi is the one piece most missed
The others? They became too expensive for what their logical role with the Hawks would be. The salary cap is a bitch, but credit Stan Bowman for doing what I believe is downright brilliant job in managing to it’s provisions.
Niemi? At this point he’s proven to me that he is a top shelf goaltender. No, he’s not Pekka Rinne good. Having Niemi instead of the “serviceable” Crawford would go a long way to bolstering this club’s chances to win another Cup. I like Crawford, but he’s not a goalie who can carry a team. Niemi however can be a goalie who can carry a team.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
He could have been carrying us too.
He just wanted more money.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
That's how professional sports work when salary cap in place
A NHL player has a limited time span to make his money. I don’t begrudge any player wanting to get paid. Niemi was no longer affordable for the Hawks. But boy is he missed in Chicago. He’s a top 10 goalies in the NHL these days. Make no mistake about that. He can stand on his head when called upon, and he can go into stretches when he carries a team. Crawford is not that brand of NHL goaltender. Nice guy, but he’s not in the league of Niemi. Not even close actually.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Well he was somewhat untested
We offered him an (admittedly) smaller amount of money than he wanted, but it was supposedly a short contract, which we could then re-up and pay him much more had he performed to his standard again.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Which, now that we're talking about it.
Is exactly what San Jose did after he played well, after he got paid less than he was asking for here.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
He is also not a top ten goalie.
As someone who also avidly watches the sharks, he has let in his fair amount of softies. Just like Crow (See game 7 last playoffs), when he’s on he’s elite, but Niemi is not nearly consistent enough, at least in my book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lN7V4_Gx0
"I know, Chicago will be cold, tomorrow,
Let's cash in on our thin blood and have another one."
Bah! You're looking at NUMBERS again
Huge loser. Use your eyes!!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Fuel to the fire...
Niemi among some pretty good company.
Top 30 goalies (5v5, min 20 games played)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps my eye test has failed
but I just having seen the kind of consistency that one would expect from a top ten goalie. I might be totally wrong though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lN7V4_Gx0
"I know, Chicago will be cold, tomorrow,
Let's cash in on our thin blood and have another one."
It was a joke aimed at cliff, not questioning your eye test
If you watch the Sharks regularly, I can see how you would feel that way about Niemi, especially after last season’s roller coaster.
Crow not looking too good on that list.
Lower. Still lower. Lower. Yep, right there.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
you got the only eye test in this conversation
not that it will prevent CNS from giving you the definitive take.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
who are you and when did your replace the real BLou?
I smell a bodysnatcher thing going on here.
Er-ah, aren't their names on the cup?
They must be overachieving at their new jobs then because they have been making a physical contribution. I failed to mention Versteeg and Campbell
Steeg is having an unreal year.
I miss the guy, but he cost too much at that point in time. Same with Campbell, even though he wasn’t unloaded during the “we’re broke as fuck” crunch time. You really think the organization was happy to have to get rid of Niemi, Steeg, Ladd, etc.?
Yes their names are on the cup. Did they contribute? Sure. Would it have been impossible to win with anybody else besides Kopecky that was familiar with Hossa and on his line filling the same generic role? If you don’t think so, you’re on something.
Kopecky’s skill set back then can be summed up in one .gif,
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Damn it.
I mean if you think it would have been impossible without them, you’re on something.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
All I'm saying is that it was undoubtedly possible with them..
That’s reality. What might have happened is conjecture
Well if we're dealing with reality.
Explain to me (with the math) how it was possible to keep them. Otherwise you can file a complaint at Dale Tallon’s office.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Money dilemma aside, Versteeg would not fit this Hawk team
Versteeg finds himself on the right team at the right time in terms of putting up personal production totals. So what. Michael Frolik was a routine 20 goal scorer on a “second division” team too. Put today’s Versteeg on this Hawk squad and he wouldn’t have remotely the offensive totals he’s tallied in Florida. And his piss poor defensive lapses would have him squarely in Q’s doghouse.
Versteeg has strong skills. But he’s destined to be an NHL nomad who moves from team to team every two years. Nice guy. But not missed in Chicago.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
I disagree
I remember Versteeg playing well on the third line. His numbers wouldn’t be as high, but I liked what he brought to the table on the third line. I hated how he would float, and refuse to dump the puck, but he seemed to be pretty responsible defensively, and had pretty good chemistry with Bolland.
I dont pretend to watch much Predators hockey this year, or Leafs/Flyers hockey last year, but I didnt see him being a bad player, and he would be pretty good depth at 3mil a year. Bolland makes 3.4 and while I love him, I put him and Versteeg in the same kind of category. Defensively sound with a scoring touch.
For the record, I dont see Frolik as a 20 goal scorer. I know he did it twice in Fla, but I think that was more an exception to the rule, than the rule. Bickell scored 20 last year…
SCH moderator.
awesome
i will never not laugh at that.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 2, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
It's deja vu in reverse....and ironic that what we need, we had to some extent
I hope I haven’t opened any old wounds. I am sincerely sorry and, I admit, somewhat less than knowledgeable about all the worthwhile contributions of any of the aforementioned
Baptism of beer
and whiskey and violent arguments about goalies. Get used to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lN7V4_Gx0
"I know, Chicago will be cold, tomorrow,
Let's cash in on our thin blood and have another one."
anyone see crows new mask? sorry for the HUGE PIC
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 1, 2012 10:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's pretty fuckin' cool
One of my favorite Hawk’s goalies masks was Belfour’s. I might like this one better.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 1, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
that is pretty sweet
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Rad.
Yeah, I said rad. Bringin’ it back.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 1, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. Rad
I think it would’ve been more radder (how’s that?) if it was matte black with high-gloss red & white though. I’m liking flat black these days…
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 2, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Oh... better late than never
Kane’s Superman act with the exploding puck… I can’t believe I haven’t heard anyone talk about how INCREDIBLY dangerous that was. One of those chunks could have easily found it’s way through one of the holes in the mask. And it’s not like he took anything off the shot. He wanted to make sure it blew up…
Yeah. I’m a dad and I worry. *kicks dirt.
I wondered about that
did the ref tell the goalie? He sure didn’t react much.
Thought the same thing about a piece getting through Skags…and not even a dad!
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi. I think he was a Canucks fan...
@Vancitydan Writer at Nucks Misconduct
It was a puck cut into quarters and glued together, not much of a risk...
No Shagga, No Dagga
by Saskjet on Feb 2, 2012 8:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Right
And one of those quarters could have easily gone through one of the holes in the mask. How’s that not a risk?
shoulda
gone with one in the style of those exploding golf balls that turn to dust. that would’ve been sweet.
Regardless of any proof you have I still believe my preconceived ideas based on...nothing...
/ Canuck’d :)
No Shagga, No Dagga
by Saskjet on Feb 2, 2012 8:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
the ref knew about the puck
Elliot didn’t, and made a comment along the lines of “I’m glad I closed my eyes” and “why didn’t you tell me?” to Kaner.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
nice
now he needs some all black pads to make the ensemble really sweet. although i am surprised nobody tries to emulate the bannerman mask:
thats a classic.
I think you mean
BANNERMAN!!!!!!
At least that’s how I remember it.
by pang off the post on Feb 2, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
You look at those older masks (and pads)
and you no longer wonder why goalie’s Sv%s were much lower back then.
“Back then.” Guh…
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
As the resident goalie guy...
I’m wondering if you can tell me if there’s an NHL rule in place prohibiting all black pads/trapper/blocker. And I mean ALL BLACK, even the manufactures logo (e.g. matte black on glossy black or vice versa). The reason I ask is because I believe it would be a huge advantage on goal replays. I think the reasoning is obvious, the all black equipment would obscure the reviewers ability to locate the puck with any level of certainty.
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 2, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Nice
Digging the red and black over the off-white of what he’s been wearing.
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous! Beautius J. Beautius!
Fuck Radim Vrbata.
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Feb 1, 2012 10:16 PM CST reply actions
aaand waylon'd
There are some who call me........Tim?
Tremendously tremendous! Beautius J. Beautius!
Fuck Radim Vrbata.
by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
is there anyone Sam won't insult on twitter?
the dalai lama better watch his back
Eh
To hell with Kuc. He and most fans were questioning Bowman’s and Quenneville’s decision to have Huet as the starting goalie instead of resigning Khabibulan five games into the 2009 season. Later Niemi was the Stanley Cup winning goalie. I think we were right about Huet.
by crystallakehoffy on Feb 1, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Foley
We have to face it that we won’t get old Pat back unless, for some reason, the tv/radio simulcast returns. However, i enjoy John and Troy too much to want that.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
I agree
I remember in the simulcast days thinking to myself that Foley was better when the game was at home and not on TV, he seemed to be more descriptive and on point than when the game was on both. I wonder if you put him back on the radio if it would help, or has he just lost a bit.
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."
by CementHeadStu on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
He's just an old man
and old men love to tell stories. I remember when he was young and I would listen to him on the radio in Madison. I went to the University of Wisconsin you know. One day my friends and I were going to a bar so I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time…
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
by Badgerdano on Feb 2, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
He's getting Hawk annoying though...
And literally starting to tell golf stories just like Hawk. Not knowing which players are on the ice. Edzo doing nothing to reign him in.
I wish I could push a button and get the WGN radio feed. There is no vomiting going on there unless Troy gets super pissed at the refs, which takes a lot.
by TurdFurgeson on Feb 2, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
The onion on my belt was not a surprise though, was it.
Haven’t seen you around much lately.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
You smell like an onion?
What? You take months off because your colleges professional baseball player QB got beat, but I miss a week or two and you bust my….. Calm down…….Lots ore games to go.
When will the Frolik/Bickell to whoever trade become final? And that fucking Stalberg………..what the fuck was he thinking? Can’t even get another hatter?
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Having another bad acid trip I see.
Rent-a-QB, whatever. I hate the Rose Bowl. BAH!
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
My 12 yo son says it's cheating that he was a pro baseball player and allowed to play for UW.
Whatever. The guy can play QB. He is fun to watch.
Really though, if Bickell and Frolik were packaged together, we could get my guy.
Ryan Callahan.
(Fuck off it’s what I want)
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Morning Links?
So with the departure of SCS, are we down to Morning Links being an every other day thing by Julia only?
Hack? Seems like you’re the one with experience in this area. You need to step up and at least fill in until someone else takes over. Hack? You listening? (damn it.)
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
I wrote something for CtA
But I don’t wanna be a whoowah and link it. Showing leg on the first date seems slutty.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
"The Return Of The (Sausage) King"
No Shagga, No Dagga
by Saskjet on Feb 2, 2012 10:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sausage!
Sausage! Sausage! Sausage! Sausage! Sausage! ok now, that’s enough.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Links!
Ok not really but here are some i had a few minutes to add. Enjoy, now that I can go read them.
Trade rumors and notes from NHL
Game Preview: Blackhawks
Shaw getting some BIG minutes
Third man in has a podcast, good stuff. Check it out
A good read from CTA: one
Emery remembers that game in Edm. I thought we just erased this from our memory?
Thats what I got for now, I can’t get into CSN to pull any of Tracys articles
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
by Jrs23 on Feb 2, 2012 10:30 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Oh and another one
Puck Daddy has a read on what are the biggest question mark and what each team needs.
No fancy bright lights or photos or anything of any importance, but what the hell why not.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
1 last one
More rumors. Sorry should of linked them all at once. What can I say.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
I still haven't even figured out how to correctly add a picture
But I’ll gladly step in and you can use your imagination of what a picture would look like
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
We don't want pictures...we want LINKS, DAMMIT!!!!
No Shagga, No Dagga
by Saskjet on Feb 2, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well then links you got
Just added another one.
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Seriously
If you’d like to step every other day and help Jules, we would all be most grateful. Email Sam.
Well Unless anyone else wants to do it
Then maybe i will. What are the hours, as long as I dont have to put in ot i’m good
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
You can pass a drug screening
And an extensive background check right?
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think JMH already covered that
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 2, 2012 11:39 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Only if you're John Jaeckel
Does the body cavity search apply. Leave your Kane biases at the door too. And whoever stole my umbrella out of the container by the door, THOSE ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE! This isn’t a hotel and you are not Cosmo Kramer.
#topical
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
and please
In your future writings, please continue to use the term “Embiggen” to enlarge a table or graph. It makes me happy.
Let's Go Hawks!
Thank you
And I will. I have a vernacular all my own. Thinking about toppling that Merriam Webster guy out of his ivory tower one of these days.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
that
would be a perfectly cromulent thing to do.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 2, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Trade rumors and speculation.
I know, I know, consider the source.
But – 1. These actually seem like reasonable possibilites and 2. In the absence of links it gives us something to argue about discuss civily.
From JJ @ hockeybuzz:
I don’t believe there are any legs to the rumors of the Hawks being in on Alex Semin or Tuomo Ruutu.
The Hawks are, however, scouting and likely talking to both those players’ clubs. The players I’m told the Hawks have spoken with Caps GM George McPhee about (as previously reported here) are big defenseman John Erskine and defensive center Jeff Halpern. Conversely, they are alleged to be scouting defenseman Bryan Allen and penalty killing wing Chad LaRose from the Hurricanes.
and
I’m told the Hawks have spoken (albeit a few weeks ago now) with Tampa Bay about a second line wing, defenseman Brett Clark and 4th line C/W Nate Thompson. Clark and Thompson also fit the pattern outlined above.
McPhee, I’m told, was at Rogers Arena last night and apparently talks with the Hawks are not dead.
Don’t know much about any of these players but they seem like the kind of acquisitions that Stanbow would make. Nothing real high profile or big contract, but low risk, solid veterans that can fill out the roster in areas of need this season without long term contract entanglements. They also seem like acquisitions that can be had while giving up acceptable losses in trade.
Well, what say ye!
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I considered the source
And I ask you, as a friend, to stop reading hockeybuzz. Otherwise… this may end of happening.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Watching clips of that show just makes me sad. I miss it so much.
Also, HockeyBuzz sucks.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
HBO GO, dude.
It’s like they said in Almost Famous… any time you’re sad, you just go to the record store and visit your friends.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
From my understanding
in regards to Carolina, Rutherford’s asking price for Allen is an “A” level prospect and a 1st rounder. As far as Hockeybuzz goes, it is good for a laugh when you are down in the dumps. For instance this was proposed as a reasonable trade by some over there:
Frolik, Olsen, 2012 1st round pick for Sutton & Gagner.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
I think I just died a little inside
Why Q, why?!
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
But you were laughing at the same time right?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
Would you make that deal
for Allen & Ruutu?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
No.
As much as I would like to see Ruutu back in the Indianhead, giving up three first round picks for him and an aging D-man, also with a fairly hefty salary, seems unreasonable.
I know Allen & Ruutu were first rounders also, but they have not had first round careers, IMO. The potential of Olsen is too high, and given the Hawks recent track record on high draft picks I would rather hold on to this years number one and take our chances with that pick.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Believe me, I thought long and hard before posting that info.
Most of the time I look in on hockeybuzz solely for comic relief.
The only reason I decided to is because, like I mentioned, it seemed they could be legit, not the usual “trade Kane” buffoonery you get over there.
Just thought it might spark a good trade speculation discussion, which I always enjoy.
Anyway, I’ll just go sit in my room for awhile and think about what I’ve done, to borrow a line my mom used to love to use on me as a youngster.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I know, I'm just pokin' ya in the ribs
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Right?
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I tried to offer westy some pastrami as a peace offering
It is, after all, the most sensual of the salted cured meats.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
If you roll up a pastrami, you can poke someone in the ribs with it...
No Shagga, No Dagga
by Saskjet on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
My dad always used
“What were you thinking? Where is your head?” The obvious sarcastic answer got me in a lot of trouble over the years
Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Feb 2, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
i really like his game
and his dapper mustache, when he chooses to grow it.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Kuc blocks Sam
And now I get blocked by Sassone for asking him to not patronize his readership. These fuckin’ guys…
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 11:49 AM CST reply actions
Are you @souvenircity?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
The beat writers are good for nothing but telling us the lines in practice anymore.
It’s pretty pathetic. If you’ve ever been to Canada and read their newspapers and coverage of their teams it’s just completely different.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Why is that?
Think the papers etc just don’t give them the budget for it or what? What’s the reason?
I think.. and this is Opinion, folks..
that it’s similar to, say, White House “beat” reporters: they are essentially there to relay press releases/conferences to the wider world and are neither expected or encouraged to do anything more. In fact, doing so could well lead to banishment… I’ll bet that Canada has its Beat reporters but also has “investigative” journalists assigned to teams.. mainly to do with it being the National Obsesssion Sport
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Chris Kuc and Tracy Myers are no Helen Thomas.
Gotta disagree with that a bit.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Helen Thomas worked for UPI..
so slightly different for the wires.. but the kind of thrust of my point is this: (and it’s a potentially harrowing analogy).. if Kuc was interviewing Seabs in the Hawks locker room and suddenly Kane and Toews came out of the showers punching each other.. should he report it? If he does, he ain’t ever getting near that locker room again. That’s the price they pay for “access”..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
I think you're mostly right.
Columnists here are supposed to do a majority of the opinion pieces. The Rosenblooms, Telanders, and Haughs of Chicago. While I think the beat writers can, should and sometimes do do more than just recap the game, I’ve always felt their main job is reporting on the goings-on with the team.
Also, i think the majority of Chicago does not care to see in-depth analysis of the Xs and Os of each game in the paper. And while they are struggling, the papers are still trying to appeal to the masses, not a niche group of rabid hockey fans. Canada’s coverage will be more in-depth because there is a greater interest in it than there is here.
Happy Groundhog Day
I’ll believe it when I see it.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 12:06 PM CST reply actions
fucking groundhog
Bring me WINTER!! Tired of this 40s-50s in Feb
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
agreed!
I need to take my kids sledding. We’ve got a brand new 4 seater sittin in the garage collecting dust. Come on old man winter, ya fuckin wuss. Bring it!!
well if I could look you up on my phone I would
J_Hawks88
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
What do you think will come out of the CBJ - Kings controversy with the time being frozen?
BJ GM makes a good point
“In addition, this result matters to every other team in the Western Conference that is competing with Los Angeles for a playoff spot. We will never know if the Kings would have got the extra point in overtime or shootout, but they may not have. This extra point in the standings could have an enormous impact both competitively and economically. What if the Kings make the playoffs by one point or gain home ice advantage by one point? We could be talking about a team not making the playoffs and missing out on millions of dollars in playoff gates. No one can ever convince me that this result does not matter.”
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
To be perfectly candid
He’s pissing into the wind. It looks like an error was made, but nothing can be done to change it now. Sucks for the Jackets and hopefully 1 point doesn’t decide something relevant for the Kings.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think anything can be done, but its pretty shitty. No one even noticed til after the game.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 2, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Dallas, Minnesota and Colorado
may be screaming bloody murder on the last day of the year though.
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
+1 for Kerfuffle
Budweiser’s commercials are as good as their beer is bad.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
The 5.4% sounds good
but personally I cannot stomach Budweiser. In all of my years of consuming beer (longer than the age of most members here), I doubt that I have ever drank more than 3 of them in one day.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
ugh i know, when they showed the reaction of all players it totally got me
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 2, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Me too!
Though I am a sucker for pretty much all of Budweiser’s commercials.
I still can’t watch the 9/11 one wear the clydesdales bow to the NYC skyline. Apparently, I can’t even think about it without tearing up, either.
That's pretty cool
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 2, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Who hasn't imagined
20,000 screaming fans when you’re breaking up the ice (alone because the rest of the guys on the ice are desperately trying to fill their lungs with O2) and you skate in on the goalie unmolested, fake left move right and pop a back hander in over the 40 year old net minder’s shoulder? Ahhhh, good times! Great commercial! Good for Bud! Lucky guys!
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Dean Lombardi angling for that Nobel Prize in Chronological Sciences
Dean Lombardi, via email: (1) Those clocks are sophisticated instruments that calculate time by measuring electrical charges called coulombs (2) given the rapidity and volume of electrons that move through the measuring device the calibrator must adjust at certain points (3) which was the delay you see – the delay is just recalibrating for the clock moving too quickly during the 10 – 10ths of a second before (4) the delay – this insures that the actual playing time during a period is exactly 20 minutes – that is not an opinion – that is science
Couldn’t he have just /science’d an e-mail? Would have saved him some time.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 1:08 PM CST reply actions
I think we are all pretty much giving stalberg credit.
He has had a great year and you could tell his game improved a ton right from the preseason.
Best player on the ice last night, well I thought keith, hammer and bolland were all pretty damn good for the hawks. But stalberg has proven himself as a legit top 6 player that can use his speed as a weapon and actually be pretty decent in puck areas. Back-checking or fore-checking that speed is huge to have.
Even Gisele is praying for Crawford and the Hawks tonight...
My sweet friends and family. This thursday will be a really important day in our darling Crow’s life. He and his team worked so hard to get to this point and now they need us more than ever to send them positive energy so they can fulfill their dream of winning in Edmonton. I feel Corey really needs our prayer, our support and love at this time.
So I kindly ask all of you to join me on this positive chain and pray for him, so he can feel confident, healthy and strong. Envision him happy and fulfilled experiencing with his team a victory this thursday.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 1:17 PM CST reply actions
wait, what is this?
and where did it come from?
This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.
It's CNS taking creative license
of an actual email from Gisele to some friends re Brady
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 2, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Per twitters
Murdersaurus will be getting is 5 minutes of ice time tonight
See if you can guess what I am now.
I've accepted it
And frankly, against the Oil, it should not affect the outcome.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
It may not affect the outcome
but tonight’s game is the first of a back to back. I’m not crazy about the regulars putting in extra time in these situations.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
He will be able to play more minutes
since the Hawks are going to deliver a beat down on these pesky Oilers!
/optimist
Or if however unlikely,
they repeat their performance from the last time they visited Edmonton. If they can the match their effort in Vancouver the ToS may have to post two DLR videos
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
but we haven't visited edmonton this year... look this way please
by mightymike D on Feb 2, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
We never visited Edmonton
Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus, that’s what really happened
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 2, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Is this flashing
vibrator supposed to make me forget?
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
This totally annoys me.
It is one thing if he plays in one isolated game but to do this twice in a 3 games in 4 night stretch as well as on the longest road trip of the year is so dumb.
Apparently Toews and Sharp didn't magically heal up overnight
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 2, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
so
you’re for Scott playing (with the “justification” of being protection for the unmagically healed Toews and Sharp)? Or not? The use of “magically” is throwing off just what you’re being sarcastic about.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 2, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
so why couldn'twe have lepisto (or OD) play dammit
especially in a back to back where our top guys played a ton
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by trade
I assume you mean Ironworkers Local 1.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 2, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone remember this?
Today is Dennis Widemans six year anniversary on the worst shootout attempt ever attempted.
vs the hawks.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 2, 2012 1:57 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
its crow
in one of the two games he played that season.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 2, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome!
I forgot all about that! It’s nice seeing pros do stuff like that. Sort of like seeing a PGA golfer whack one into the woods.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
My firstworldproblem
I want to look at SCH’s morning links, but they aren’t posted.
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 2, 2012 2:01 PM CST reply actions
Bickell in, Frolik out
Someone find me a Rosetta Stone.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 2:04 PM CST reply actions
question time
regarding this “Clock Controversy” in the Beej/Kings game.. I’m inferring from the reports that timekeeping is in the control of the home team at Hockey games.. is this true? And if so… WHAT!!?? That’s beyond insane.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Always been this way
Basketball and football have the same thing, too.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 2, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
that is truly incredible.
from a European perspective (where sports like Soccer and Rugby don’t work in fractions of seconds like NHL/NFL/NBA) there would be uproar.. how is this policed?
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Pretty sure the time for nfl is kept by an official on the field
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
you mean aside from prospects and picks, right?
because at least one Core player would have to be involved
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Erm, NOT INTERESTED in Lydman's Package...or Ryan's for that matter...
/Badgerdano’d
No Shagga, No Dagga
Also, if like me you were kind of curious about Shaw's TOI, we have our answer
“It’s a work-in-progress,” Quenneville said. “He can cut down his shifts; he gets out there a little bit long. But we like him out there because he’s doing some good things. In the puck area he sustains a lot of pucks and makes a lot of neat and handy plays in tight areas.”
Quenneville revealed who it is on the bench who yells for Shaw to come off the ice after particularly long shifts.
“Sometimes me, sometimes the guy who wants to get out there for him," Quenneville said with a laugh.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
he really doesnt want to go back to the A
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 2, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
how much you want to bet the players screaming at him are
Toews/Kane/Hossa?
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
and I don't think he will
(depending on trades, of course).. he’s now occupying Carcillo’s slot and doing a damn fine job of it. Part of what has impressed me has been his curbing of his more aggressive urges: after dropping them about ten seconds into his first game (and getting his ass kicked) he’s been a model of restraint. I may be suggesting Machiavellian motives on the Nucks’ part, but I think part of the rough treatment he got the other night was an attempt to goad him into taking a penalty.. and he resisted admirably.. so the kid has the right temperament (he’s learning what it takes to be a part of the Hawks machine) as well as his obvious skill, effort and guts. I like.
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
to be honest i think the majority of his PIMS have come from fights
not necessarily dumbass selfish penalties
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 2, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
that's what I meant...
nothing the nucks would have liked better than Shaw taking an instigator etc to give them some PP time
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
the puck area
alongside john scott is one Q’s enigmas.
what the fuck does it mean
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 2, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
I swore blind
that the Nucks game would be the only PDT game I’d watch on this trip.. but I think I’m going to have to see tonight’s… sleep… “Sure, I’ll sleep enough when I’m dead”
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
by mightymike D on Feb 2, 2012 3:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
nice of you to tell me that recording is cancelled tomorrow
fucker…
#familysquabble
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
attaboy!
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 2, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that was a condom ad
would make sense
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 2, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Pssst
It is not PDT anymore, it is now PST daylight savings is over!!!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 2, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
whatever it is..
it’s still eight hours behind
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Gives us a chance
to fix the rest of the world’s screw-ups.
damn late start times do that
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Interesting data
QoC RK NAME
0.100 1 JONATHANTOEWS
0.077 2 DAVEBOLLAND
0.059 3 PATRICKKANE
0.050 4 VIKTORSTALBERG
0.042 5 MICHAELFROLIK
0.035 6 BRYANBICKELL
0.027 7 BENSMITH
0.013 8 ANDREWSHAW
0.001 9 MARIANHOSSA
-0.011 10 DANIELCARCILLO
-0.015 11 MARCUSKRUGER
-0.016 12 PATRICKSHARP
-0.034 13 ANDREWBRUNETTE
-0.068 14 JIMMYHAYES
-0.089 15 BRENDANMORRISON
-0.198 16 JAMALMAYERS
So the top line has taken over as the top shutdown role. Replacing Bolland’s line when he had Frolik and Bickell on it. Second line is mostly a scoring line and tends to matchup more with other teams third lines. Hawks 4th line plays the opponents 4th lines.
So top line and third line have switched on this years defensive depth chart from last year.
and stalberg
Somthing about this needs to change. Hopefully that 3rd line gets something going soon
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
What about Morrison?
And yep Kaner/Stalberg are your top line defensive pair for the Hawks. Well, the Hawks have become a one against ones kinda team…
Ignore Morrison
Didn’t notice it in the list. Was paying more attention to the top than the bottom.
But it does show that Morrison wasn’t being used on the third line. And probably isn’t a replacement for Toews or Bolland in the defensive assignments.
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