Hawks @ Sharks - Postgame Thread
by Hack on Feb 11, 2012 1:23 AM CST
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entertain us.
‘cause we’re obviously stupid.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
and contagious
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
by Mister Zero on Feb 11, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
indeed
Is ecklund a joke around these parts? I never remember. Anyways, to what Tuke was saying in the last thread.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Chicago-to-Address-Goaltending-Issues/1/42068
by BodomSlayer on Feb 11, 2012 2:02 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I got it from my brother late last night
but seen where he got it from this morning so sorry about the bad scoop. And yes ecklund is a joke around these parts. Oh well, at least I was able to sleep in ignorant bliss last night believing that something may actually be done about the crease.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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I.missed.the.game
from.what.I.can.tell…..more.of.the.same
Eight.is.worse.than.Seven
I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down
I don't know about you
But I got really sick of watching Toews get crosschecked after the whistle, get his skull punched, and get dragged down to the ice while his idiot teammates like Hossa, Frolik, Stalberg, and even Kane stood there watching. Last night I really missed Byfuglien, Burish, Eager, Ladd, Versteeg, Brouwer, Fraser, and anyone else from that team who would actually stick up for their teammates without thinking twice.
Sorry about getting all nostalgic.
Well … OD was the extra man in on that play who defended Toews, and we got the extra penalty and they scored on it. I’m with you in spirit, but you gotta pick your battles, and pick when you should be fighting them.
www.mjt.org
Mayers
is a perfect example of picking your spot. If I remember right Clowe was one of the ones that jumped in on Toews (as if Jumbo Joe can’t protect himself against Toews) and Mayers fought Clowe later on to offsetting 5 min majors. This ego shit has to stop though that the beat writers seem to be fond of fueling. When it happened they were all falling all over themselves to make the point about exacting revenge. How about getting pissed off and putting the puck in the net? Or getting pissed off and battling in front of the net? I can’t count the number of times that their guys stood in front of our net with no one challenging them for position (Hi Nick, you may want to play D with your back to the goal, rather than watching the puck go into the back of the net). Good teams exact revenge whistle to whistle and it is hard to do that when our special teams are fucking clown shoes.
by Ceros on Feb 11, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said!
Teams seem to be looking to get physical with Toews – maybe it’s the injury – but until The Hawks respond as a group it will keep happening.
The extra penalty was a garbage call. Should have been on the Sharks or have evened out.
Our special teams
are the wrong kind of special. And with the personnel we have playing them … well, it makes me sick to my stomach that they’re performing the way they are. I couldn’t watch the final two periods last night, but I have to say, it didn’t surprise me to wake up and see us 0-3 on the PP and 2-5 on the PK.
At what point does the coaching staff say, okay, ya, what we’re trying to do isn’t working, maybe a change is in order. I mean: FUCK.
www.mjt.org
Glad I went to sleep early last night
That was aggravating to watch the highlights. Crawford out of position and swimming in the net, the defense laying an egg numerous times on the PK and TURNOVERS (definitely not the delicious kind). Looks like we scored a few sweaty goals but with all of those penalties how do you establish a flow in the game? Better win tonight damn it.
Where you goin? Nowhere!
by BlackhawksFan22 on Feb 11, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
Can anyone explain the visor fighting rule to me?
I remember Montador getting pinged for it, then I see guys on the Sharks start shit with visors, the Phaneuf/Hartnell fight the other night has visors, etc. Is this just something they call when they fucking feel like it or are the rules that unclear?
What you are talking about has two parts that must happen to get an additional penalty
1- The player must be an instigator 2- He must have his visor on when instigating the fight.
46.6 Face Protection – If a player penalized as an instigator of an altercation is wearing a face shield (including a goalkeeper), he shall be assessed an additional unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
Should the player (including a goalkeeper) who instigates the fight be wearing a face shield, but removes it before instigating the altercation, the additional unsportsmanlike conduct penalty shall not apply.
46.11 Instigator – An instigator of an altercation shall be a player who by his actions or demeanor demonstrates any/some of the following criteria: distance traveled; gloves off first; first punch thrown; menacing attitude or posture; verbal instigation or threats; conduct in retaliation to a prior game (or season) incident; obvious retribution for a previous incident in the game or season.
A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation shall be assessed an instigating minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting and a ten-minute misconduct.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 11, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
This makes me laugh
At how bad those refs were last night.
Example A.
Clowe skates across the rink to get to toews only to punch him in the face. No penalty. Results in sharks second PP goal.
Example B.
The Bickell fight. Vlasic was the person byron hit originally. Desjardins skates across the rink, with a visor on and instigates the fight.
leads to no penalties, a def Zone faceoff and Goal #4.
"Sure, ill snake a bro" "Love me he says"
by Kissmyanthia on Feb 11, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Stalberg only had 8 minutes of ice time?
Sick and tired of Q’s head games and even more sick and tired of people sticking up for a so called professional coach who holds grudges against some of his players. That guy is a fucking ego maniac. Him and his buddy Kitch should be given their papers. Oh wait, I take it back. Lets just jumble up the lines some more, now thats coaching.
"Knowledge is Good."
And Leddy gets steamrolled in the front of the net
On a nightly basis, but Q keeps rolling him out there.
Defies explanation.
To be fair Leddy and Stahlberg are at very different points in their careers
I get your point though. Imagine how much better Leddy would be doing if he started the season here in Rockford and the was called up. When Soupy was traded, Leddy was thrust into a position he was not prepared for.
Also, until recently Stahls was a disappointment. He has been hot recently but we still have a long season.
Of course none of this matters until THE STARS DO THIER JOBS!! That is what we should be pissed off about.
by 815Sox on Feb 11, 2012 10:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He benched Stals after his pass to Keith at the blue line in the 2nd was intercepted by some douche or another.
So bench one of your better offensive players due to an ill-advised pass when your team has been struggling to outscore your opponents. And frankly, if I remember correctly, Keith had the puck on his stick for a second before being stripped of it.
I am tiring of Q’s theories on discipline and punishment.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 11, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
the puck was bouncing around the boards, keith never had control
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 11, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
I was watching on a crappy tv
it was hard to tell if Keith had it or not. Thanks.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 11, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Like I said before the game yesterday
He needs to cut that shit out. 3 games in a row now with turnovers at the opposing blue line leading to goals. I don’t care how many goals you’re scoring. That shit HAS to stop when you’ve already got a clusterfuck of a goaltending/defense duo.
Yup, hard to defend 3 turnovers that directly led to goals in 3 consecutive games
Hey, anyone remember some guy named Versteeg? He scored a few goals and had a rep for not getting the puck in deep, but I don’t recall him getting hosed like that 3 nights in a row. At least he never got benched though, right?
Doesn’t matter how many goals you score if you give up more.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
"Goalie issue will be addressed"
Translation: “We’ll start Emery over Crawford against Phoenix…and go from there.”
Is there something I missed between our #19 and the Sha-arks #19? As they continue to have their battles, I’m thinking Jumbo really dislikes our Cap. I think he’s just jealous about being the inferior #19.
"Mr. October-April" seems to have problems
With Champions
by CjSax on Feb 11, 2012 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And yet
If Crow doesn’t go for a skate behind the net. Very good chance we win.
Q is losing the team with his supernova-coaching.
If I were Q I would be on guard for lurking Swedish assassins.
My inner meathead wonders why our teammates can’t at least grab someone while Toews is getting his lunch money beat down. I think Hoss and Fro were reliving some Chech/Slav/Yugo memories while enjoying the festivities.
Inner meathead....
I really don’t see it that way. Even the soft players like Kane should be able to hold on to another player so a teammate doesn’t get tag teamed.
To watch those 3 stand back watching Toews get pummeled was just fucking shameful.
If Q would stop dressing players to make statements to Bowman and start dressing players to make statements to opposing teams might be a start.
It's really pretty simple:
As long as we keep running Crawford out there, we’re going to lose. His 2-3 softies per game are KILLING us.
And, btw, I hope Marian Hossa lets us know when he feels like playing hockey again.
Is it just me or is this whole "a" thing a tired bit?
I don’t agree about the Marian Hossa point, but it doesn’t deserve the condescending “a” response that people seem to throw out when they can’t make a counterpoint.
Fact is, Hossa’s little slump here is magnified because we simply aren’t getting NHL-caliber goaltending. Has anyone seen another goalie in the league this year who got caught out of his net as much as Crawford? He was literally in the trapezoid on the GWG last night.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
a?
A = I disagree and do not even want to bother debating it. How is that condescending?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 11, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Just do not comment then
Why does a person need to let everyone know they disagree but they are not going to respond. One can read that as someone suggesting the person is not worthy of a response.
by 815Sox on Feb 11, 2012 10:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe because it kind of defeats the purpose
I look at sites like this as places to debate and discuss with like minded people.
If you disagree, fine-that’s part of what this place is all about. But it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to comment by saying you’re not going to comment.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 11, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously?
I don’t agree and don’t even want to bother debating, and want to prove it by typing one letter… That’s practically the definition of condescending.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree with you
But have no desire to really debate this, since really it is not that big aof a deal
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 11, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, I wish it was that simple
Goalie is just ONE issue. I’m curious to see how the players as a whole react to a new SYSTEM/PHILOSOPHY, even if it’s from the same coaching staff at this point. Unfortunately, that’s like asking John Scott to skate faster.
IMO-when you have a bad goalie...
…that trickles down and starts to affect other aspects and expose other weaknesses. I know that, in truth, NOTHING is really that simple in a game like hockey but I absolutely believe that if the goalie situation got corrected, we’d start winning at least some of these games that we’re losing,
by bluekoolaide on Feb 11, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Goalie is just one issue...
BUT a pretty major one. Even on the rare occasion Crow holds his crease he is a rebound machine and has pretty much lost his glove hand.
Of course, Q’s bullshit mind games with Bowman and his players is really wearing this team out.
No, it really IS that simple
Fix the goaltending and the team is fine. Yes, there are still special teams issues, but no team is perfect. Fix the goaltending and this team is right up there with ANY OTHER TEAM in the conference at this point.
Additionally fixing special teams via a change in philosophy or personnel (like a PK d-man) makes this team a front runner.
Hawks have three core forwards possibly playing with wrist injuries. They had two key defensemen out last night. They still dominated that game at full strength. I’m just as depressed about the losing streak as anyone, but this team is still fuckin’ good. Don’t let the score which has been skewed by crap goaltending suck you into the pit of despair.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Damn it
I agree.
If we had a goalie that we could count on to let in less than three goals a game we’d be in good shape. Yes, the PK sucks. Yes, the PP sucks. But you’re right, with a change in those systems we’d be fine.
I think the goal tender situation has all of the players on edge. Crawford and Emery let in a goal and you can see the air being let out of the rest of the team’s sails. They have no confidence, understandably, in these two guys. Hell, three goals will typically win an NHL game. The Hawks average 3.09 goals per game, fourth best in the league. They give up 3.0 goals per game, only Sens, BJs, and Lightning are worse. Yes, the D has not been great, but the goal tending isn’t helping one little bit.
A decent goal tender could end this losing streak.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Heh, don't let it worry ya
I doubt it’s contagious (unlike the goaltending)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
does anyone remember that Isles game in 2010?
I know, I hate having to bring up a Cup year argument, but seriously, I remember after that game everyone saying how the team had absolutely no confidence in EITHER of their goalies. And that was the start of the horror that was March.
Yet somehow we made it out.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
by ahnfire on Feb 11, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, Stacie
Always nice to get that injection of optimism from you. ;-)
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
I remember it but,
I also remember the team playing great hockey for long stretches at a time that year which is not something we have seen a lot of this season.
If they had been playing strong hockey all season and just hit a rough patch I would be much more optimistic than I am at the moment but I think it’s been pretty obvious that there has been defensive problems for a large portion of the year.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
I know, that's why I hate bringing up Cup year arguments
but honestly, part of my comment was also a bit in wondering, somehow we made it out. Was it because the goalies finally settled down and the team figured out how to work with Nemo? Was it because the team finally decided, stop picking on the goalies and we’ll just win so it’s not on them?
I seriously can’t remember how we went from the despair of the Isles game (Minn was in that month as well) to euphoria.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
Very worried about our goltending.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Priority number one
Get the special teams working. This team is 4th best in the league in 5 on 5 play from what I recall, behind Van, Det, and St. Louis. Get the PK fixed up, get the PP going, and this team will be a force, even with the goaltending we currently have, which admittedly, blows chunks.
Coming with this extended shit streak
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 11, 2012 9:49 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
awesome
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 11, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Game was on WGN so it's blacked out in Rockford
Sounds like I did not miss much. Emery needs to start. The moment I saw Crow change back into Icehogs Crow I knew that he was in trouble. It sucks because he is a nice guy but he never seems to be able to pull himself together. We know exactly which Razor we are getting every night, we do no know which Crawford we are getting.
by 815Sox on Feb 11, 2012 9:51 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Is it ironic
that the man from France could be this team’s savior this season?
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
No. God No.
So many issues with that. His cap hit would count and he is not any better then either of these two. I have no idea where this call from Huet is coming from.
by 815Sox on Feb 11, 2012 10:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
His cap hit is irrelevant at this point.
by LavalPhantom on Feb 11, 2012 10:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really not if people want Bowman to finagle a trade
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 11, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Nope still irrelevant
Hawks can pick up $24M in contracts, and that doesn’t even include contracts going the other way, waived, or demoted to Rockford.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I don't really get why you would say this?
I admit I am not the best when it comes to Caps and salary rules, but taking on Huets contract would not be a good thing for a team that obviously has to make moves.
I'm not sure of the exact number
But at the trade deadline the Hawks will have enough space on the cap to add over 20M in salaries so Huet’s 5.2 is not relevant.
by LavalPhantom on Feb 11, 2012 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Huet's contract is almost irrelevant now.
As CNS stated above, the hawks have room for his contract and much more for the rest of the this season. What prevents you from going nuts with your cap space now is what happens next year with all the contracts you pick up now. Huet is a UFA at the end of the year so basically the hawks can pick him up for almost no cost.
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
For me, the big sell is
HE’S FREE!! (well, if one considers $11M over 2 seasons “free”)
Hawks don’t have to give up any players, picks or prospects to being Huet back. And they don’t even have to waive or trade Crow or Emery. There’s room for 3 after the trade deadline. Dress two and one sits in the press box.
Not sure why people have a problem with AT LEAST having another option at the Hawks’ disposal.
When life hands you a potato, make French fries.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
does Huet need to clear waivers?
No doubt he clears it, but will that be part of the process?
oui.
he must. and he will… and what CNS says… (maybe it’s just my Euro-Bias coming out?)
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, but if Hawks bring him back after the trade deadline
any team that picks him up can’t use him this year, so essentially no one would claim him.
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
I think you mean, make potatoade
delicious, delicious potatoade!
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Yeah I agree
I know it was talked about but never saw anyting definitive, who has the say in when Huet could return to the hawks? Is he committed to the Swiss team until their season is over?
I don’t really see it working out, but I agree that it is something they should do, assuming he can be back in time to actually make a difference. Hell if Crow and Ray Ray keep playing like they have, I think just about all Hawks fans will be willing to try Huet.
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
His career numbers
are still better than both Crow and Emery. The issue with Huet was always between the ears. Maybe his stint overseas has fixed that. (or at least postponed it for a late season Cup run) There is really no better option by trade out there right now. If you are looking to upgrade your goaltending, this is your only move.
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
by Mister Zero on Feb 11, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Emery's career is punctuated by quite a bit of issues on and off the Ice
The Emery that we have seen the last two years has been very good. He did GREAT for the Ducks last year when asked to step in for Hiller who has serious vertigo issues. He started the season in Syracuse and them when shit hit the fan for the Ducks, he was called up and just got the job done. That is exactly what the Hawks need now.
Emery took the reigns of the team, and lead them into the playoffs.
The only issue that should be a concern about Emery is if he can hold up physically. However, he works extremely hard to keep himself in game shape. I think that is more then you can say about a few Hawks right now.
Huets problems were and are far more then a mental issue. I have no idea why you would to replace an inconsistent Crawford with an inexpensive Huet. Especially when Emery can do the job.
Huet did pretty much the same thing in '07-'08 with Washington
came in late season and was a wall. I don’t recall the exact numbers, but I remember he was exceptional. I would LOVE for Emery to take over and be “that guy”. But I can’t put too much faith in a guy playing on half a hip to carry the load down the stretch of a cup run, especially the way Q likes to ride his goalies. (see:Crow last year) With the cap hit being as minimal as it will be, whats the harm in bringing Huet back for insurance if Emery can’t do the job, or if he breaks down?
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
by Mister Zero on Feb 11, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
The only problem that I can imagine
in bringing him back would be if there is a clause in the loan agreement that would allow his current team to keep him. Other than that his cap hit would be minimal as I believe it would be pro-rated for the time he is actually on the team and I think this is the last year of his deal anyway.
I like Crawford but as everyone on here can attest I have been very critical of him throughout the season. Last night’s game was the final straw for me. His confidence is totally shot at this point and I honestly think if they keep rolling him out there to play as he currently has it may do him more harm than good in the long run.
Is Emery a long term solution? Probably not, but he has played decently for the most part when he was needed. Give him the reins and let him do his thing. If he begins to fall apart mentally or physically at some point; there are worse things the team could do than bringing Huet back.
Yes I know that he has had problems between his ears which have in turn led to problems between the pipes at times, but when Mother Hubbard is moving in and the cupboards are already bare you do whatever you have to. I do think that if he were to be given another opportunity to play with big boys, the opportunity itself would be a huge boost to his confidence. Couple that with reports that he has been playing very well with his current club (yes I know it’s not the NHL) and he may be the stop gap the club needs at the moment.
I highly doubt this will happen nor am I advocating it. Just trying to look at the situation as a possibility.
2 cents.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
the Swiss regular season ends soon..
however, Fribourg are currently second and therefore headed for the Playoffs.. last year’s Final series ended mid-April. So, if there is a clause (who knows?) that keeps him there it’ll be playoffs by the time he gets here.
My view, expressed by others here: if we don’t make a trade then we get Huet the heck to Chicago: he may not be a saviour but there is no downside to having him available if needed.
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Having him available if needed.
That was kind of the point of my long winded rant.
Probably should have just said that.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
It's ironic
You (and I, granted) declared last season and this season countless times that Crow never showed the potential to have the season he did last year. So basically, we used a career sample to discount the results of one season as a possible outlier. Hopefully we’re both wrong. Time will tell.
Now comes Huet. He had a very good career and the two years prior to him coming to the Hawks, he was arguably one the 3 best goalies in the league. 2009 wasn’t really that bad (.909 Sv%, 2.53 GAA). 2010 was.
So Huet has had a solid career with one bad season, yet you completely flip your argument when it pertains to him. (and you’re definitely not the only one)
Maybe the same line of reasoning should apply to both goalies? One good or bad season should not define a career, nor be the measure of one’s true ability.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I would kill a cute puppy right this second
if we had a goalie pulling a 909 SV% & a 2.53 GAA.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
“the two years prior to him coming to the Hawks, he was arguably one the 3 best goalies in the league”
I just can’t get into the mood to investigate, and I don’t want to get into a stats war with you CNS. He’d been good, but this seems like a massive overstatement. He’d not even had much experience as a starter, as I recall it.
www.mjt.org
It's probably an overstatement, but it's not massive
Huet’s GAA and SV% in three seasons prior to being signed by the ’Hawks, and where it ranked among NHL goalies:
‘05-’06: 2.20 (4th) and .929 (1st)
‘06-’07: 2.81 (26th) and .916 (11th)
‘07-’08: 2.32 (10th) and .920 (T6th)
He was firmly in Nabokov, Kiprusoff, Luongo, and Brodeur territory.
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-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
There you go
add the GP stat to that line and you have something.
Is Chicago a “goalie graveyard” , or just every market in the NHL tough on that position? I mean, we have two great ones, and some folks desperately want to trade one or the other!
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Yes, except for 07-08
When he was mainly a platoon and then took over for WAS down the stretch and was lights out. The common thinking is that he earned his money with 13 starts, but that’s only partly true. He was already one of the better goalies in league before that astounding run with WAS.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I just don’t think you can get into a conversation about “one of the better goalies in the league” unless you’re talking about a guy who’s a consistent starter. He played well and accumulated mostly respectable stats, I grant you that … but so did Toskala in SJ before Toronto. Stats as a back-up or in platoon are just not comparable (imo!) to the stats of a starter.
www.mjt.org
Chico,, help a 'relative' newbie out here..
what does ‘Platoon’ mean?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
merci
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
For Huet, it was with Jose Theodore and David Aebischer mostly.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it was Theodore in 05-06 only
in 06-07 it was Aebischer and in 07-08 it was Carey Price, whose rookie awesomeness made Huet tradeable.
Also, in looking this up, I realized that Aebischer was born in Fribourg, Switzerland, the same city that Huet now plays for. WEIRD.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
The "platoon" can work
it has worked on lots of teams. Philly got to the Finals with a lot of it versus you guys.
But it means you have to pay money for goaltending, pure and simple. I am much too lazy, but I am betting the $$$ spent list would reflect a lot of #1’s and a competent 2nd guy. Some teams ( Van/Bos/NY this year ) having very competent 2nds.
Honest though, Detroit has spent dick on the position since Hasek, and been pretty good.
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi. I think he was a Canucks fan...
@Vancitydan Writer at Nucks Misconduct
That's fair
Last time I defend CNS!
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
How would you consider
Schneider right now? He is in a similar position as the one being debated.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
So Thomas/Rask, Luongo/Schneider, Backstrom/Theodore/Harding
these are all platoon systems. Yes, Backstrom and Lu have held down the reigns on their own in the past, but Thomas still hasn’t started over 55 games in the past 5 years (only did it once, 66) and he’s elite, no?
YOU’RE FIGHTING IT, CHICO!!! Just say “OUI!!”
(which coincidentally sounds like “WHHHEEEEE!!” while sliding down a long dark spiraling tunnel)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
But you have to consider
that league-average Sv% in 2006 was only .901 and has annually crept up to .913 last season. So that .929 was pretty amazing. About the same as .940 now.
Here are a few good articles.
- The first one shows annual Sv% since lockout. Interesting to check out the graphs and see how quickly Sv% has climbed.
- The second one is an excellent read. Notice Huet near the top the 3 years prior to coming to Chicago. Combine those 3 seasons and he’s top 3. This method normalizes Sv% by comparing goalie performance in relation to the average Sv% for that season. Author’s comment:
Huet deserved his contract. He was the best goaltender in 2005-2006, 11th best in 2006-2007, and 6th best in 2007-2008. Let this be a warning to anyone signing a UFA goaltender, its easy to judge Chicago now in hindsight but their decision made sense at the time.
- This one shows best and worst single season performances since the lockout. Same methodology. Notice Huet had the 3rd best season of any goalie (only TT better).
Also notice the list of the worst 15 performances. Huet’s not on that list, but a number of goalies who are on that list did bounce back and are still competent goalies in the NHL.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Last year
Crow started 57 games in his first year as a starter, after starting the year as a back-up.
That’s more than Huey has ever played.
So, top three is a bit of a stretch, methinks.
We like our people!
If Huet is your savior
YOU ARE FUCKED!!!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 11, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh
I have thrown the towel in on Crow for this year. It is too late in the season, too much has gone wrong for him to get past the demons that are haunting him in his head.
Ray on the other hand is doing what the Hawks need on a far more regular basis, being an average goalie. That is STILL all the Hawks need, AVERAGE Goal-tending. Crow is not doing this enough at all, but Ray is. If Ray keeps that up, the Hawks can still outscore almost anybody out there. Having a guy who can stop the shots he should will help the Defense-men from overextending or overprotecting, both of which opens up ice. If Ray can be average and the Hawks D-men and FWDS get back to 1st base (Play a solid fundamental team defense game), the Hawks are back to being an extremely dangerous team to play against.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 11, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The "average goaltending" meme was true for the 2010 team
and they did win with only average goaltending, even in the postseason. This team is good, but only 2 teams have won the Stanley Cup in the past 10 years with a goaltender whose Sv% was below .920. Hawks were one of them. PIT the other. And people keep pointing to DET as an example, but in their Cup winning seasons, their goaltending was lights out.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I hope you're right about Razor
Because it’s the best plan I’m aware of. I don’t have confidence in his ability to handle the physical load of 20-25 games and then a playoff run without some injury issues creeping in.
Huet did have that great late season run for the Caps, but he was 4 years younger and conditioned to facing NHL level competition then. The baggage attached to his return, not playing in the NHL for 2 years, and his already well demonstrated psychological fragility all combine to make that route impractical and unlikely to succeed.
Once the losing streak ends, assuming it does, Salak needs to get a start, too. It’s unlikely that he’ll set the world ablaze, but it’s an asset that should be employed. There’s a chance.
I believe Crawford can get back to last year’s form. His problems can be fixed through good coaching and self-discipline, but that’s probably an off-season project. Maybe a couple weeks of Razor carrying the load, Crow watching video and getting back to his 2011 habits of sound positioning, and the problems will sort themselves out. That feels and sounds like wishful thinking, though.
Once the losing streak ends, assuming it does, Salak needs to get a start, too. There’s a low probability he sets the world ablaze and steals the job, but given the circumstances, he’s an asset that needs to be tested. Premature, but worth looking at.
In short, I do kind of think WE’RE FUCKED. We’re gonna need one of these low probability options to succeed.
More better Blackhawks, please.
Also I always try to keep this in mind
There is something with Chicago sports fans living and dying with every game. That is what makes listening to sports radio and post games so fun. We need to laugh at ourselves and realize how lucky we are. Billions of people on this planet are struggling to survive. They do not give a fuck about a sports team.
Not saying we should not be concerned and yes pissed off. It’s okay to be critical of this team. I am glad that the Hawks are being treated like a real sports team by most fans nowadays and not some rah rah bullshit that ahould be saved for the squirts.
by 815Sox on Feb 11, 2012 9:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Just Chicago sports fans?
Been to Philly, NY or Boston lately?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Feb 11, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately I have
FUCK EM ALL!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 11, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed
Just was at a Rangers/Devils game this past week at the Garden. 5 separate instances each of boos and standing ovation. Talk about bi-polar fandom…
by ImpersonatingTheEagle on Feb 11, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Oh...Hi Elaine...
Did you hear about Newman?
"Blocked by the shaft of a diving Brent Seabrook."
-the bad play by play guy from the rodeo channel
by oneminuteremainingintheperiodoneminute on Feb 11, 2012 10:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions
It's funny.
I remember Crow was called up in the 09-10 Stanley Cup run against the Kings because Huet was injured and Niemi was sick (or something like that).
He SUCKED. His form was shitty, let in a softy or two, and I believe the Hawks ended up losing that game. Since then, Crow doesn’t look like he’s changed much.
Against who?
The Hawks have not played LAK in the silly season for as far back as I can remember. 09-10 was NSH-VAN-DET
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 11, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Here's Crawford's record
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3390
You can see the one game in question.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Feb 11, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
He also played in 7 NHL games going back to
2005-2006, and was responsible for a 1-2-1 record in games where he was awarded the decision.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Feb 11, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
And he posted a .929sv% and 2.14GAA
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 11, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
whoops got confused
He went in against Det in 08-09
http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelog/_/id/2339/year/2009/corey-crawford
In 09-10 Hawks played NSH-VAN-SJ in the playoffs
Crawford’s lone game that year was a regular season game vs. the Ducks. He made 32 saves and posted a .914 SV%.
Hawks put 41 SOG, and Hiller was ridiculous.
Here’s the hockey reference page.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 11, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
You're right
Is was thinking 08-09, because 09-10 I know Niemi made EVERY start and was relived once for 1 period by Huet. I guess I just defaulted to the previous season by instinct when I new Crow played vs DET in the WCF.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 11, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I recall Crawford's start
As I remember, Crow played very well but made one huge mistake—came out of the crease 30-40 feet to prevent a breakaway, muffed the puck, easy goal for somebody (probably the Koivu goal)……That was the Wiz criminal assault on Seabs game.
More better Blackhawks, please.
It was also the “Sopel jumps for the puck and gets pushed down-no call” game
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone that saw Crow play in the AHL
Were very hesitant when he was offered that contract last. It really pissed off a lot of people on this site last year. I do not blame them, considering the Crawford that they saw last year. But sadly, this is the Crawford that I am most familiar with. Lots of non-meatball hockey fans from Rockford and the area around it will tell you the same thing. We were all surprised last year.
Basically Crawford got very hot at the perfect time last year.
It's a 3 year deal
Hawks had no goalies in the system even remotely close beside Salak. Goalies on the market that are worth a damn cost an ass ton. Salak isn’t expected to be ready until some point next year, or the year after. All these factors are what mattered when tendering that deal.
A 3 year deal for a mid-level starting goalie salary was fine for a guy coming off a .917sv%, 2.30 GAA, and being considered a Calder candidate for most of the year.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 11, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Snow has already stated
he has no desire to trade him.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
We all know
that GMs word have very little weight in regards to public comments. He may be playing hard ball.
Call me Marlon Brando.
Maybe but I really have
a difficult time seeing why they would trade him. Yes they have a plethora of goalies but if your cheapest one is playing very well why would you move him. And if you were Snow what would you want? If there is a team in the NHL that doesn’t really have a big need for prospects what would you ask the Hawks for in return?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
This
People have a tendency to be results oriented when judging the moves of a GM. With the info available to Stan at the time it was a very decent signature.
by LavalPhantom on Feb 11, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I agree, not many other options existed
and you always want to try and retain the homegrown talent. Unfortunately it hasn’t worked out as planned. I’m no GM, but I thought the contract was about $500k more than they need to pay him. Not that it changes anything.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
ok
so, I’ve already started the ‘M7 for Coach’ campaign.. so let’s get the ‘CNS for GM’ wagon rolling. Who wants Havi and Kitch’s jobs?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
hell, if that's your platform
you’re a shoo-in: we never, ever want to see that interview again either…
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, I will volunteer to select shoot-the-puck girls.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
your sense of self-sacrifice will be noted
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
You can haver her
I’ll be talking with Ms. Kustock
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
Let's see, CNS's first major signings (lucrative long term contracts, of course)
Kopecky, Huet, Bickell, Leddy, Sopel…
WHO’S IN?!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Can you get that Buffing guy back?
He could score some goals with swagger.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
The biggest problem with the Hawks is the "core" is not
Doing its fucking job. We could have all the depth in the world, and it would not matter if Toews, Hossa, Kane do not score and Seabs and Kieth keep making elementary mistakes.
They are not getting it done right now, and they need to pull themselves together quickly. We are running into the Coyotes at a very bad time, they are hot and we are not. They also tend to play us very well.
They need to get out there and win the fucking game. Emery is solid and consistent. You can do very well with a goalie that is almost guaranteed to keep you in the game every night.
Given the tenor of this thread
I thing “hang” out was a poor choice of words to start it..
No no, never never.
Why not?
Against the rules. You know, you're stupid when you do that.
by Just some English pig with no brains on Feb 11, 2012 10:53 AM CST reply actions
Start playing the funeral dirge. . .
Earlier this season when Ryan Miller had his ass bowled over and none of his Sabre’s mates responded, I felt that spoke volumes about the lack of of character on that team. Last night the Sharks repeatedly took liberty with Toews (and others) and Johnny’s mates mostly stood around like spectators. With the exception of Jamal, some of these guys need to grow a pair and start having each others backs. I’m seeing a lack of heart with this team. You can’t teach “heart”.
Keith came to his aid. OD came to his aid. Mayers later came to his aid.
Fuck, even Bicks fought last night. What the fuck do people want? A fucking crappy team that can win fights?
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I liked the way they responded to the fights
I do question Bickell’s timing for his though.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
What?
Bickell got jumped after a nice hit on Vlasic, who was playing over the edge on Toews all night. If Tim Peel was a competent ref, they would have gotten a PP out of that.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
You're in the worst
losing streaks in recent memory. Your team has been trailing and fought back to tie it up not once but twice. Your goal tending is beyond questionable. Your team has been getting fucked by the refs all night. I just don’t think that is a good time to take a chance on allowing the opposition to get any sort of an edge.
If none of these scenarios are happening at the time, by all means have at it. I’m not saying I disagree with the fight just the timing of it.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
Sorry but I think Bicks would have had to turtle for that not to be a fight
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
Just skate away
If he skates away SJ gets the instigator and maybe an unsportsmanlike. Either one & the Hawks are on the PP.
Not that they would have done anything with it but………..
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
I didn't mind it, but not worth further discussion IMHO
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
the only thing i really question is how we always get the short end of the stick on fights
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
i feel like eating 5 cans of beefaronis and a shot of exlax...
and shitting my pants on my couch, waiting for the hawks to turn this SHIT around…thats how i feel. After Crow had his adventures last night i say fuck it call Huet, whats the worst that can happen at this point :D
100% Blackhawks Blood.
The Goalie problem is obvious
But, hypothetically, even IF that problem is addressed with more than just “we’ll start Emery over Crawford and go from there,” we’ll still have the issues w/ the PP, PK, Defense, motivation, (insert issue here), etc.
The goalie problem could be a simple case of a young player trying to do too much
Cuz he knows his team is struggling. Let’s face it. This team is struggling in every aspect of the game right now. Scoring is not horrible, but the press to score is opening HUGE holes in the D, and I have to wonder if our F’s are even aware of their responsibilities on defense, or if they are abandoning their position in the ‘quest to fix it all by myself.’
When you see Hossa consistently out of position on D, is it him, or the philosophy? He has always been one of the best defensive forwards in the league. WTF? Again, is it one guy trying to do too much, or coaching?
I made it through the 80’s, I made it through 97-07. I’ll make it through this. It will get better, don’t know if it will get better this year, though.
Goalie problems are always obvious. If you have a problem on D or in the forward position, it leads to odd man breaks. If you have a problem in net, it leads to goals, as it did twice tonight.
This is my haiku
It is only three lines long
Thanks for reading it
by Sparky The Barbarian on Feb 11, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Silver lining
I’m guessing Blackhawk ticket prices are down on Stub Hub…
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Save yourself some time
They’re really not. Some SRO tickets are down from $50 to $40 but that’s about it.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Bah!
So you’re saying this black cloud has no silver lining? Damn it!!
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
I did that yesterday
Same kind of prices I paid to go to first round playoff games 2010.
More better Blackhawks, please.
Dear losing streak,
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 11, 2012 11:56 AM CST reply actions
How did Lepisto and Olsen look?
Which one gets benched for fluffy? since there was just a fight and no fluffy to menace from the bench.
by pang off the post on Feb 11, 2012 12:16 PM CST reply actions
I liked Olsen
And would like him to get another chance. Not really fair for the kid to be thrown in this mess of defence, not have a practise with the team, and expect the world out of him. Sure, that goal was probably pretty hard for him to swallow, but it wasn’t his fault entirely. So definitely, I would like to see him in again tonight.
i thought they both looked pretty good, except for Olsen's own goal which was a bummer
there is seriously no need for fluffy to be in this game, we’ve got other guys who can and did take care of business
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
but I’m not Q. Maybe we’ll see fluffy playing “forward”. At least if he only plays 5 minutes there that amounts to the same as 4th line minutes more or less.
by pang off the post on Feb 11, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
if he's in any of the games going forward i will lose it
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
I understand the need to protect/stand-up for the Captain
But why is Kane getting shit for not doing it? If anything, I’d want him to stay as far away from the possible altercation as possible. Not only would he probably go down hard, but the kid can barely protect himself; he’d just get in the way and would probably need someone to come save him instead.
It seems like lost in all the concern over Toews’ and Sharpy’s injuries, Kane’s has been forgotten (no, I don’t believe he’s fully recovered, nor do I think Toews and Sharpy are really as good to go as they would like the rest of us to think); he wasn’t tossed around as much as Toews last night, but he wasn’t left untouched (though he was credited with a hit on Thornton which just made me LOL).
I hate to be biased, but cut the kid some slack. When he does have a good game, it gets lost in the shitfest of the rest of the team, and when he doesn’t, it’s OMFG TRADE THE USELESS SOFTIE!
Reading some of the beat writers and comments makes me want to vomit.
by ~big_T on Feb 11, 2012 12:24 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
You need to come around here more often
Your brand of common sense is much needed
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 11, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
That hit on Thornton, I loved that
And it came right after Thornton went for one of his now-patented faceoff slashes on Toews.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 11, 2012 12:32 PM CST reply actions
Kane's way of getting revenge for Toews?
If so, good for him. Hilarious either way though. Jumbo Joe has at least 4 inches and 50 pounds over him.
wait which hit on thornton?
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
everytime you do that
I think of this
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
boy, I'm a lucky guy...
I get to go straight from the Hawks current run of misery to watching Ireland get their backsides handed to them in Paris tonight (watching on TV, that is, je ne suis pas dans la Cite des Luminaires)…
Sigh.
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
Is the sky falling? I'm pretty sure I felt something...
Oh wait, it was snowing last night. Seriously, goalies go through slumps just like everyone else (see: Ryan Miller’s first half performance). There have been points on this very site that the consensus put Corey in the top 10 in the league, and now the consensus seems to be that he doesn’t deserve to be in the NHL. I’m guessing the truth lies somewhere in between.
Toews is the star, captain, and face of your team, and likely injured. When he is getting cross-checked into the goal frame, someone needs to do something. When he is getting jabbed in front of the benches, someone needs to do something (because the refs apparently decided they wouldn’t last night). I know we got the extra, but that’s party due to the officials’ decision and partly due to the rather cheap-shot sucker-punch nature of Keith’s response.
Kane doesn’t need to fight, he needs to score goals. I don’t expect him to stand up for Toews. I do expect more than 20 goals on the year, and he’s not pacing much better than that right now. Anyone bring up/address the possibility that the wrist surgery he “fully” recovered from this summer has held back his shot a bit? He can still pass well, but I feel like he can’t pick that top corner like he could the last couple of years.
I wish I could be in the room when the management portion of this team (coaches/GMs) are going through what the hell is going on right now. Mostly because I don’t understand (like many of you) why certain things are done, and others are not. I think that is the most logical thing to be complaining/worrying about right now.
by ImpersonatingTheEagle on Feb 11, 2012 12:51 PM CST reply actions
i'll just post this again about kane's wrist
Kane said the biggest issue Sharp will face once the cast comes off is stiffness in the wrist. To this day, Kane has limited mobility in his wrist.
"That’s the main thing," said Kane as he held out both wrists to demonstrate that the left doesn’t bend as far upward as the right. "I can’t really bend it as much as this."
from here. So i think its fair to say its had some impact on his shot.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Ummmmm..........Is is safe to come over?
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
yes, yes...
can I fix you a drink?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, ok, just a little nervous, because there was a lot of hate directed towards everything last night.
Which completely baffled me given the circumstances.
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
by Diamondback15 on Feb 11, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
we're in the midst of a losing streak.
everything is hated.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
not trolling
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
by Diamondback15 on Feb 11, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
red rover red rover....
"There are rough players and there are dirty players. I'm rough and dirty."
by YouFeelShame II on Feb 11, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Crawford has been pretty bad, but at least you aren't stuck with Dipietro and his god awful contract.
Also, even though I am Sharks fan, I would love to play in the NHL. So if Bowman doesn’t a new goalie by the trade deadline, I am available. Now, I don’t even have all the equipment yet and I have never played a game outside of street but I will glue myself to the blue paint and my reflexes are decent.
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
Heh, I laughed aloud on that one (the kids say lol) … but, Diamond, now that is some serious digging for a positive.
www.mjt.org
hang on, hang on.. hear him out..
Just HOW well glued to the blue paint are we talking about here?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I will wear an electronic shock device that will give me a jolt every time I leave the blue paint.
Not debilitating enough where it hinders me, but uncomfortable enough where I won’t want to leave.
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
by Diamondback15 on Feb 11, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
anybody got Stan's cellphone number?
sounds like we’ve got a solution to all our netminding problems…
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 11, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
How's your French?
So far, I’m sold.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
It would take gluing … but that DiPietro “bright side” was what set me off. That’s like stubbing your toe and someone saying, Hey, at least it wasn’t a rabid badger that chewed off your leg to the knee.
www.mjt.org
maybe Gerber or Steve Mason instead then?
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
by Diamondback15 on Feb 11, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Did anyone catch Kitchen going nuts,scribbling like a madman
…during the 3rd period time out?
the result was this
Ver™
by ccm on Feb 11, 2012 1:16 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
That's code for 'c'mon guys figure out a way to get us a goal, cuz I got nothing"
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
That was before he finished.
Moments later, they showed the completed play:
Notice the fine penmanship?
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Look at the deke in the upper right quadrant
that must be Kaner entering the O zone 1 on 4
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
Exactly what it would take
down two goals with what, 15 seconds left? I was feeling really confident he had something special drawn up that would count for two. Maybe a shot from behind the two point line?
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
He threw out a little something he likes to call
the pick-and-roll-over
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
I just want to say as a Sharks fan that I was little surprised how the Sharks acted towards Taves.
I think they crossed the line a little bit. I don’t think it was as bad as many of you think, but I did feel it crossed the line a bit. I am guessing its probably left over bitterness from 2010, cause usually they are classier than that, although Clowe is a pest.
Also, I was surprised as you were when the Tank started booing Seabrook, I have no idea where this came from.
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
I thought nothing of it, it happens in every game to some player at some point, and what better way to get a struggling team to combust than to egg on its captain. All’s fair. Clowe’s job is to do exactly that. My sole problem with it was that we somehow got an extra 2 minutes from it, and hat’s what pissed me off.
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I thought Thornton should have gotten interference because it was away from the puck.
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
by Diamondback15 on Feb 11, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
This
We can’t love us some Bolland and complain about other team’s rats…
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
yes we can
we just can’t claim to be unbiased when doing so.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
One year ago next Saturday
the Hawks lost to the Jackets 4-3 and dropped into a tie for 11th in the WC. Then the Captain singlehandedly dragged the team to an eight game win streak, with seven goals and seven assists. The Hawks scored just over four goals a game during that streak.
Oh, did I say “singlehandedly”? Pardon me. Crow played all 480+ minutes, with 2.38 GAA and a .915 sv%. Including a shutout.
The Hawks are currently better placed than 11th, of course, so things are not as dire as this time a year ago. But sadly, I can’t see right now where the spark is going to come from. Toews doesn’t look angry, just somewhere between befuddled and irked. Hossa appears more on autopilot instead of beast mode. The Hawks have scored just 15 goals in the last seven games, and I don’t see better goaltending turning that right around, especially if wrist injuries are part of the reason.
During the mid-January roll, I think I commented something to the effect that Q had the aura of a master puppeteer, moving the pieces in and out (remember the splash the kids made?). Now, it just seems more like desperate flailing.
Absent any major move (goalie trade, coaching change), best case I see is Emery providing some stability in the paint, allowing the Hawks to gradually pull themselves out of this, but with some rocky travelling along the way. And due to the hip, Crow will probably see more action than any of us will like.
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
I can't disagree with anything you say
I just hope to god you’re wrong about Crow seeing continued action (although, sadly, it wouldn’t surprise me).
I’m seriously starting to wonder though if Q survives this road trip, As much as I hate to call for a coaching change, especially when it involves the guy who won us a Cup, I can’t help but think that that might be the one thing that could possibly jump start this team.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 11, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hi guys,
I watched the game late last night (recorded it earlier, so that I could skip all the commercials and breaks). This was the first time that I was rooting for the Balckhawks. But the strangest thing about this, was that there were times when I felt that I am rooting for the Canucks on a bad day.Lots of skill, lots of speed, and too many soft plays and defensive break-downs.
There were times when they looked brilliant and unstoppable. But there were too many times when I couldn’t believe that this is the team that can be so scary and play so well against the Canucks.
At the end, the difference between the Sharks and he Blackhawks was their level of intensity. The Sharks looked as if they wanted this win more than your team. It is true that they have a little more muscle, but the Hawks could have overcome that with their speed and skill.
But the effort wasn’t there.
BTW, I thought that the refereeing was atrocious. Ine the scrum where Joe punched Toews in the face, I was shocked to see that the Sharks were rewarded with the power-play (and the goal).
Too many blatant infractions by Clowe, Thornton, and a few others, were just ignored by the refs.
I think that this slump can be reversed simply by good old hard work. The problem with skilled teams like the Blackhaws and the Canucks, is that there are times when they think they can win with talent only.
Anyway, excuse my ramblings…I don’t thik the sky is falling. They just need to give their heads a shake and start paying the price for winning.
Los Angeles, CA
Another Comment from "The Enemy"
One thing this losing streak reminds me of is game three of last year’s playoff series. CBC showed a shot of the Hawks’ bench in the last couple of minutes of the game, and the entire team looked entirely dejected. It was only when Torres wasn’t suspended when he clearly should have that the Hawks got angry and went from “how can we beat these guys, they have our number” to “like hell you bastards are going to win another game.” I see a lot of errors that have more to do with sloppy execution and mental lapses. The talent is still there to be an elite team, and I hope you guys turn in around. My only suggestion is more than the obvious problem with goaltending, but also find a way to get ticked off. Hopefully it doesn’t take a cheapshot or an injury.
Thanks for the input
I always enjoying hearing objective outside opinion, especially when times are rough.
I disagree that the effort wasn’t there though. IMO the Hawks showed skill, effort and even toughness. Plus, only one player on the Hawks had a negative Corsi (Mayers, -3) while every player on the Sharks was negative. Team wise, Hawks dominated shots and possession with a +23 Corsi. When a team is holding the puck for a large portion of the game, they don’t have to hit. I didn’t think they let SJ push them around by any means.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
right. off to the pub to watch the rugby..
doubtless I’ll be even more depressed when I get back…
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
We need an NHL goalie.
I think it’s going to hurt to get one.
Sometimes too much to drink is barely enough.
by capra on Feb 11, 2012 2:08 PM CST via Android app reply actions
I think you're right on both counts
The question is; will it hurt MORE to stick with the status quo? I say “yes”.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 11, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
It'd be nice if Stan could just go pick up a great goalie at the local Sam's Club
but he can’t. I would love a different goalie for the rest of the year, but at what cost? Who is out there? What do they cost in salary and in trade? You start looking at the names of those that are available and I’m not so sure I want Stan giving up anybody for those guys. Hope for the best this year and figure out next year this summer.
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
He can get one at Sam's Club.
but you have to buy the case of 24. That’s how they get you at those discount clubs.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
What's the cap hit on a 24 pack?
Seriouslyy though, I get that it’s not that easy to add a goalie that would be any kind of a difference maker but, at the same time, it makes me sick to think about writing off this season (which is what I think happens if we keep things as they are).
by bluekoolaide on Feb 11, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to come around to that idea as well.
Hopefully SB & Co. can figure out a way to get some help between the pipes and get this ship righted before that big iceberg gets any closer.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
Yes it is frustrating for it to not be easier to improve your team
but the worst case scenario is that you give up something pretty good for something that only helps you become marginally better for the rest of the year. I guess I just don’t see a trade for a goalie out there. I would love to be wrong on this.
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
Therein lies the rub...
…as someone once said. I agree completely that it’s a very tough call on whether to pull the trigger on a guy like Nabakov who would, of course, be an upgrade but would he be enough to make any kind of a real difference?
I guess the key question is going to be does Bowman think this team has a shot at making a run with a different goalie. If he doesn’t go for an upgrade, I have a feeling that pretty much answers the question of what he thinks of our chances in post season.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 11, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry you guys had to deal with jacktheboxbosses last night
Wish I could have given you a heads-up right away so you didn’t have to deal with it as long as you did. She’s a noted Sharks troll who hates the Sharks but makes a point of going to other blogs to say how much that team sucks in comparison to the Sharks… We don’t understand it much, either. She’s been IP banned from FTF and banned on 7 other SBN hockey blogs besides.
On another note, keep your heads up. I may hate how much Toews is mentioned whenever the Sharks play the Blackhawks on national TV, but I am super jealous of how you guys have an awesome young core that’s already won the Cup. I’d kill for a Cup. Okay, maybe not kill, but certainly do something I wouldn’t normally do in order for the Sharks to win the Cup. But seriously, Jonathan Toews is what I hope Logan Couture can become.
Slumps suck, especially when there doesn’t seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel. But maybe last night’s game will light a fire under their collective butts and make them come out like barnstormers against the Coyotes today. I mean, the Blackhawks killed the Sharks in the second period. What were the shots, 17-3? With one of the three really just an unfortunately deflected Joe Thornton pass since yeah right Joe Thornton would ever shoot the puck? That’s a team that’s snake-bit and facing an ex-goalie who really, really wants to win against his former team..
And if you need a goalie, we have a slightly used Niittymaki you can have for free/“future considerations.” Seriously, we have 7 goalies under pro contracts right now and were forced to lend him to the Ducks’ AHL affiliate.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
anything is better
than mhsilver
"There are rough players and there are dirty players. I'm rough and dirty."
by YouFeelShame II on Feb 11, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know Jackassboxbosses was pretty annoying
call it a tie
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
either way
both have been banned.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
by ahnfire on Feb 11, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
wait, u banned silver?
thought you just put him in TO
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
I did.
and it was discussed with the mods & ToS and it has been decided that it’ll be permanent.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
I'm sure these are things you'd rather not have to do
but I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it, not like you didn’t give him plenty of chances to adjust his style
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
Wait, really?
What the hell happened in here last night?
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 11, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
It was epic trolling
along with the usual angst with losing
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
Just looked back using the search function
Prolly for the best I wasn’t here too, would have responded similar to oregon and be sitting in time-out-land myself.
I might actually hang out in the GDT thread tonight :D
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 11, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
think you should
should be better
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
I'll be out getting hammered
but probably watch he game at the bar
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 11, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
gotta ask about that fish
what is it and where’d you catch it, I’m guessing 30-40 lbs
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
lol
It’s a musky. I caught it on the Upper French River in Wolesley Bay. I don’t know how much it weighed, I didn’t weigh it. But it was 54" long. Caught it on a musky-sized spinner bait. I released her.
Here’s another one:
bet that was fun
I’ve pulled a few big (20+ lbs) salmon out of lake Mich., bet that Musky gave you all you wanted
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
Niittymaki?
Ha! How much you guys paying us? And by “us” I mean us fans. I’ll need my bar fully stocked please.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
I love the classy fans there are from other teams on this board.
Among all of the trolls there seems to be one class act that well wishes the blackhawks in the future.
Dater's current column on CNNSI
Headline for this piece on their main NHL page is
The Firing Line
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 11, 2012 2:42 PM CST reply actions
At some point
It HAS to seem ridiculous to StanBow that if our offense cant put up 6 goals to offset our netminder on a nightly basis, we wont win. Right?
by PatricktheGreat88 on Feb 11, 2012 2:43 PM CST reply actions
It seems ridiculous to me that crawford gets 100% of the blame.
He is not the one leaving guys wide open in the slot.
I try not to give him 100% of the blame
But just ONCE this season I would like him to steal a game for us. To play out of his head like he will need to in the playoffs. Not let in 4-6 and get a guaranteed start the next game.
by PatricktheGreat88 on Feb 11, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
He hasn't been good at all since probably the first vancouver game.
Still though the hawks defense was not good in front of their own net, and they really seemed to struggle in their own end as a whole (be it on the pk or 5 on 5).
he is the one leaving the net wide open though
i don’t think he’s 100% to blame 100% of the time, but damn how amazing would it be if he stand on his head and give us a win when the rest of the team is down
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe that is just the issue though.
It is a vicious cycle of team needing more from goalie and goalie needing more from team. The confidence is low all over the club right no so to just expect crawford to come up with a stand on his head game out of nowhere seems about as unlikely as expecting that out of the hawks defense.
It has to be a team effort and while a big save or two from crawford would be nice so would actually playing a little defense in front of their own net.
Solid point
But I have been wanting more from Crow even when we were winning.
by PatricktheGreat88 on Feb 11, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
yeah and that's fair
and like i said i don’t think he’s always fully to blame everytime, and maybe its not fair but i can’t gloss over all of his misses as being because of the team. he’s no lundqvuist, i know this, but i can’t help but wish he had some of that fire.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think people get confused with stand on your head...
with having a team in front of you that actually is playing well too. When the Hawks run up against a goalie that stands on their head and steals a game, the other team is playing pretty well too. The problem for the Hawks is that they flat out have sucked lately with good periods here and there. You can’t expect nor deserve to get a win if you can’t string 3 periods of average to above average hockey together. What we get is shit the bed, followed by fuck you mode, followed by oh god here we go again another loss. Go back and look at the replay of the first (maybe second goal) from last night, Crow shrugged and kind of just dropped his stick as if he was like oh fuck it BOHICA moment.
And that's the problem - he CAN'T give up. We blame the rest of the team for shitting the bed, he has to take his fair share too
and as for last night, see CNS’s comment above, we did really well 5×5, the penalties obviously killed us, but you know last night would have been a great night for him to get us that win.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
He takes way more than his fair share, that is my issue.
Everywhere you look CHI media is taking a crap on him and letting the defense off the hook.
The hawks controlled that game, can’t ask for much better puck possession. Can ask for better play without the puck and better goaltending though. Leddy is really starting to piss me off.
there has to be a better balance though.
not talking about media, but here, because i feel like too often something gets said about Crow and the kneejerk response is “its not his fault” or “its not JUST his fault,” and the fact is he has to get his share of blame too instead of glossing it over because another part of the team stinks as well – that’s a different convol.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
I am talking about the media.
I think the media often uses crawford as an easy out, particularly the uneducated media. I couldn’t believe my ears listening to that bald guy on csn say we should trade for khabi.
I haven’t really noticed that a lot of people here defend him but I am certainly one of them. It is tough for me not to given the heat he is getting this year and how rock solid he was last year. I believe this kid could be something good, or at least decent, and I don’t want him to go the way of huet or steve mason.
I think the same people talking about a Khabi trade are the same morons
That think Boston is shopping Thomas because of his political beliefs.
by PatricktheGreat88 on Feb 11, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think the thomas trade rumors came up before that actually.
I doubt they are shopping him now but I could see them trading him this offseason given his contract, his age and the fact that rask is waiting in the wings behind him. Also his NTC goes away on july 1st this year.
i don't know, lately i've heard a lot of stuff about defense as well in the media
not just Crow.
He had a great year last year. I want him to be better and I hope he can be, because i like him and want him to succeed. but he’s just not the same as last year, and i’ve been having a hard time being as optimistic about him and others have been.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
No he's just the one letting in all the soft goals.
I wouldn’t say he gets 100% of the blame. But after the Hawks clawed back to take the lead, he decided to chase the puck around the back of the net. We could have the greatest pairing in the world on defense, but if your goalie goes for a stroll and let’s in soft goals, there’s just no much you can do about it on defense.
A perfect example of what good goaltending looks like, was at the other end of the ice. He kept them in that game.
I almost wish it was 1992
And we had to choose between Belfour and Hasek… Almost.
by PatricktheGreat88 on Feb 11, 2012 3:08 PM CST reply actions
There is something to be said about that...
For example, we’d know it’s only 18 years until the next Blackhawk Stanley Cup Championship. Today we have no idea when the next one will be.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
by Badgerdano on Feb 11, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Almost was the key word there
I love having a recent Cup Banner, Dollar Bill being six feet under, and not having fucking Detroit ruin the playoffs and destroying my childhood year in, year out.
by PatricktheGreat88 on Feb 11, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
I always found myself rooting detroit.
Don’t hate me for it but the avs were just total dicks. Fuck patrick roy.
At the beginning of the year
Foley and Eddie talked about Craws’ new aggressive approach with him moving up in the crease to take away angles. Now this aggressive approach has him moving all over the crease and losing precious seconds in going from post to post.
I see several posts questioning Huet … what about Salak? Bringing up Salak would seem to follow our formula for the past couple years (bringing up Niemi and Craw during the middle of the season).
last night was his first game back from being injured for a few months
he probably needs some time but maybe an option down the road?
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Niemi and craw both started their years in CHI as a backup.
Also salak is having a mediocre year in the AHL so I don’t see him being much of an option up here.
eh you never know
he’s only played 13 games and won his first game after coming back from an injury that lasted a few months
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
by which i mean, if we're not getting a goalie
then i don’t see the harm in utilizing what we do have – huet, salak
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I can't see them going to huet.
Not only is that the final blow to crow’s confidence but it is huet, I can’t imagine Q will trust him further than he can throw him.
As far as salak goes that is possible but only if he puts together a nice stretch here.
his stats have been pasted here before
and though they probably won’t, given our current situation i don’t see why they wouldn’t want to utilize every “weapon” we have available
honestly – his confidence is already blown, and i don’t think we should not use every opportunity we have available for fear that it will degrade even further.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I know he is lighting up the switzerland elite league
… but that league is the swtizerland elite league. It definitely takes a back seat to the sweden elite league and the khl and probably takes a back seat to the finnish elite league.
Maybe at some point you do say “why not?” but I would rather take a flyer on crawford after the year he is having than go with huet.
the stats in the NHL I meant - its up in this thread somewhere
getting the call here could give him confidence. never know what can happen.
i’m pretty wary of hanging it all on crow at this point to be honest.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 11, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
That is true
As a CHI fan it may be tough to see the upside to huet but he has had some pretty good runs in the past with other teams.
You know what?
Crawford is doing just fine. “WHAT????” you say? Hear me out.
Of course I can’t say this because of his play on the ice. That would be absurd. No – this is about something much more important – me saving face from last season, when I was rabidly defending Turco when he had similar stats.
Sure, I like Turco – but that had nothing to do with it. I knew that at some point, Crawford’s numbers would dip, and you’d all defend him, and I was going to throw it back in everyone’s face for being a bunch of hypocrites.
But noooooo – everyone had to go and make reasonable arguments, so now of course I look like the hypocrite. Damn you all. Crawford is doing just fine.
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