Run To The Hills - Yotes 3, Hawks 0
by McClure on Feb 11, 2012 10:45 PM CST
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PrintIf you're looking for a calm, measured response that you've received in the past here from Sam, you're not going to get it, at least not tonight. This shit is getting out of hand, and something has to give, and fast. While the Hawks did run into yet another hot goalie tonight, nothing was done to even slightly increase their chances of breaking through, such as driving to the net, or avoiding direct chip ins to Smith, who is excellent at playing the puck. It all led to a predictable result, and the launch codes are being downloaded as we speak.
The holes on this team have been manifold from pretty much the get go, so those looking for a trade were always going to get their wish. The whole Brendan Morisson thing hasn't really come up 7's, though it was low-risk to begin with. Someone is going to get shipped off, either for another center, another rugged forward, or some manner of defenseman. A goalie? Maybe, but the options are limited. But the bigger question now becomes what to do with this coaching staff. The oft mentioned "core" isn't going anywhere, no matter how many meatballs bellow for a trade of Kane for the completely human and often bad Ryan Miller. Picks and prospects are going to be dealt at the risk of mortgaging the future, because that's what happens to accumulated picks and prospects.
Blame Stan for giving Q a shit hand to deal with, but it's not Bowman who has helmed two of the more inept special teams units in the league, which is beyond unforgivable given the talent on either side. It hasn't been Bowman who has had 6 days of chalk talk in the last 8 days, and yet still the same errors remain. The cry has been for a physical, penalty killing defenseman, and there's been one on the roster that Quenneville refuses to use on the PK. Even if Quenneville is preaching the exact correct things that need to be done, it's evident and equally damning of the job he's doing that his team has tuned him out. For all the wins he's accumulated in his coaching career, Quenneville HAS been fired twice before, both times mid-season, and we're starting to see why. On top of that, it's retroactively becoming even more evident that the 2010 unit succeeded because it was Quenneville proofed, because all of these same errors have been in place for nearly 4 seasons now. The disorginization on the power play, the playing of favorites and asinine personnel decisions, and the line juggling. OH THE LINE JUGGLING. Though Q preaches a fantastic uptempo philosophy where the best offense starts in the defensive zone, the above flaws routinely bite that in the ass. And that the message seems to now be falling on deaf ears only exacerbates these problems.
In the NHL, the coaching carousel never stops spinning, and bench bosses are often fired for doing more with less talent and fewer expectations that this team has had. The question now becomes the leveling of blame, and given that Quenneville was not Bowman's hire, it seems more than probably that's where the guillotine will fall. Though, the options for replacements are limited at best, which may save Q's ass. Though Mike Haviland is ready to run a team in the NHL, being thrown in the deep end like this isn't reasonable. Red Ass Randy Carlyle is an option, but his style doesn't fit the roster, and he's getting paid a lot of money of the next couple of years to do jack and shit. And then there's always asking Daddy to descend from on high to take one last run at it for the remainder of the year, but it's unlikely he's got the energy to do so at this point after calling it quits now 10 years ago. Offering the head of Mike Kitchen may placate the masses temporarily, but it doesn't address the fundamental disconnect between Quenneville and Stan, as evidenced by how Q handles the roster Bowman gave him.
There's no easy way out of this. Things aren't going to change just because "they have to at some point." This league, and in particular this conference, are too competitive to allow the Hawks to just waltz right back to the top of the standings as if it's their birthright. Active steps need to be taken; the roster questions are easy, the difficult one now becomes if the man behind the bench has their ear anymore.
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And now the Captain, via Jesse Rogers...
…is questioning the team’s work ethic. This just gets better and better.
For god’s sake somebody do something before the ship sinks completely.
I've followed this team for over 3 decades and in good times and bad...
what it comes down to is that the nagging feeling so many Hawk fans had about this team was valid. But we allowed ourselves to get seduced by a strong start but very easy schedule.
This team doesn’t have the complementary forwards to go with “the core.” This team also has big time weakness defensively. In hindsight, jettisoning Brian Campbell and his insane contract was a body blow. And, I must finally admit that the goaltending isn’t remotely good enough within the context of the “philosophy” and who makes up “the core”.
I don’t know what you do at this point. You certainly can’t blame injuries. Other than Sharp going down for 3 weeks and Toews being less than 100% with the hand, this team once again has stayed pretty healthy among its most essential parts.
Can this team somehow limp to the playoffs? Honest answer is I don’t know. Every game here on out will be a war. That’s what happens when February hits the calendar in the NHL.
I’m going to pin a lot of this mess on Stan Bowman. He’s sat on his hands, more or less, since the offseason. Adding veteran bargain baseman has-beens wasn’t what was / is needed Stanley.
The offseason will be active. While Patrick Kane will not be traded under any circumstance, he will be the player under most scrutiny in the offseason. Quite simply, he has let this organization down in a big way. Either that or he has devolved into a nothing special right wing in the NHL.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Good post
Particularly this part:
I’m going to pin a lot of this mess on Stan Bowman. He’s sat on his hands, more or less, since the offseason. Adding veteran bargain baseman has-beens wasn’t what was / is needed Stanley.
Signing Hjalmarsson over Niemi was a mistake.
Jettisoning certain peeps over others were mistakes. Yes, hindsight. But in evaluating Stan, I am allowed this.
Bailing on Campbell was a mistake. Yeah, all you knuckle-draggers who could not wait to be rid of his contract, the Hawks became worse, not better, when he left town.
Turco = bust
Morrison = likely a bust
I like Frolik but you can see why FLA bailed.
What has Stan done to improve this team since taking the helm? Anything? Anyone?
I’ve been blown away this week that this dude has managed to skirt most of the criticism. His fingerprints are all over this mess. Yet all the darts are aimed at Q and Kane and Crow and others. What about the builder of the listing ship??
It looks like they've exorcized their dragons.
I agree completely that Bowman bares most of the responsibility for this debacle.
I think it’s very unlikely that he gets fired any time soon though.
It sure seems though that he’s in way over his head. Yeah, Tallon mismanaged the salary cap (according to legend, at least) but we couldn’t possibly be any worse under him (and we’d most likely be a lot better-he’s shown that he knows how to build a Cup winner-all Bowman did was ride in on his coattails).
by bluekoolaide on Feb 11, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
At the time, the Hjalmarsson signing was not the bad option.
The philosophy was to spend the cash on the back line, so you wouldn’t spend big money on goalies who might fail. This is how the Red Wings have stayed competitive. Do you see them EVER overpaying a goalie? (The Hawks did this twice, with N. Khabbi and C. Huet.)
Niemi’s agent asked a bit too much. The guy got greedy. At the same time, comes the SJ offer sheet to Hj, and that seemed the better choice. So they opted for the D-Man who had a sensational season over the goalie who played half a season. Doug Wilson was ready to take either player from the Hawks. (Or, possibly Wilson wanted Niemi ALL along, betting the Hawks WOULD take the offer sheet to Hj. Who knows??)
It NOW appears the Sharks made the better choice. Crawford is proving to be just above AHL standards, and is destined to be an NHL back-up. Hindsight….it’s a bitch.
The NHL is currently littered with multi-millionaire goalies who suck. Nobody knew that Niemi would be able to continue on. The only warning sign would have been — the Hawks expected Crawford to beat Niemi for the back-up gig, and he couldn’t.
However, following the Red Wings philosophy, they keep players in the minors for years. It could be assumed that Crawford continued to hone his game there and all he needed was a solid back-up, after being anointed the #1 goalie.
It hasn’t worked out that way at all.
Even in last night’s loss, Emery displayed much better rebound control than Crawford has ever, ever shown in a year and a half as the #1.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Feb 12, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Good points
Now that I have both NBC Sports and the NHL Network again, I get to see a lot more games. Crawford’s rebound control is pretty poor. What I would call top tier goalies seem to gobble up the puck better or don’t allow the long rebounds. They also have better awareness around their net on wraparounds or guys setting up shop behind the net. Corey looks like a beer league goalie out there at times. He’ll stop most of the breakaways, but the meat and potatoes plays around the net he isn’t that solid on this season.
The Niemei/Hjalmarasson deal screwed us as you say, and I think Wilson played the Hawks, IMHO. Hats off to him, he won that deal.
Last year the Hawks were horrible in the third period, this year, they are no-shows for half the game. Q is part of the problem as well. Last year he got a pass, somewhat deservedly so, this year, he won’t. Hopefully, the Hawks won’t have to depend on a team losing on the last day of the season to get into the playoffs.’
The beat goes on, the Scum are still the class of the Western Division.
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I still believe that Frolik can be
a decent offensive producer in this league. Rookies don’t have back to back 20+ goal seasons as a fluke. I really think one of the problems concerning him is how he has been used.
In Florida he was utilized as a goal scorer on either the 1st or 2nd lines. Since arriving in Chicago he has been tried at 2C for a few games prior to settling in as part of Bolly’s shut down line. This season he has been pretty much everywhere due to Q’s penchant for shuffling when things don’t immediately work as planned.
I’m not saying that he will ever be a constant 30 goal scorer or even 20 goals year in and year out, but I do believe that if some of these players were allowed to develop a little continuity with a line we may begin seeing different results. Either way it is too late in this season for that to be an option but rather something that will need to be addressed in the off season.
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I feel like even if Kane single-handedly drags this team out of this mess
Your feelings for him still wouldn’t change. Yes, he hasn’t been scoring like he and everyone else wants and expects him to, but I would hardly call him the biggest disappointment in the organization.
The whole team has been disappointing as of late, and considering how hard and well Kane’s been playing these last few games while the Hawks are in this terrible slump, it kind of sucks not seeing him get any credit for it just because it doesn’t result in more wins and points. He’s only one person, and no team wins just because of one person; it’s a collective effort.
I do agree with you on Stan though, because his roster moves have been less than stellar, and if something doesn’t happen by deadline, I wonder how much longer he’ll stay as GM.
by ~big_T on Feb 11, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Still think it's a good post, but . . .
. . . I just saw your slam of Kane at the bottom and can’t say I agree with that at all in any way whatsoever.
Please explain how he has let the organization down “in a big way” and Toews has not. I’d be interested in seeing this distinction elaborated upon.
It looks like they've exorcized their dragons.
This ....
bench bosses are often fired for doing more with less talent and fewer expectations that this team has had.
It’s mind-blowing, the talent on this team, and the fact that the team has been so bad. Fortunately the team piled up wins early this season or the playoffs would be entirely out of the question.
Would be very surprised if we didn’t hear about some change by Monday – be it head coach, assistant coach(es), or major trade. (I am not going to speculate on trades, though — enough ridiculous ideas already floating around out there.)
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Has a team ever won a Cup
when changing coaches this far along in the season?
I’m in no way defending Q, just curious.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
Didn’t realize Bylsma was at about this point of the season. And Robinson was actually even later, in March 2000.
Not only were they both later, but apparently they were the only two coaches to ever win after taking over during the season.
There’s hope!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 11, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
That Penguins team was actually very similar to this Hawks team. High expectations, hot start, then fell back to Earth with a flawed roster. Of course, Shero also had himself one helluva trade deadline that year to plug the holes on his roster, and that along with Bylsma’s being head and shoulders better than Therrien.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 12, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Bylsma'a may be the best coach in the NHL
He does a ton with a duct-taped roster. When’s the last time that entire Penguins roster was healthy – their Cup parade?
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by Curtain Jerker on Feb 12, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
This is what I think whenever I’ve seen them play the last two years. He’s amazing.
But they were healthy when they lost to Montreal in 2010. Malkin and Gonchar each missed 15 games during the regular season and Staal was out for two playoff games but otherwise they had their whole team. Their problem was Halak was also healthy.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 12, 2012 6:13 AM CST up reply actions
Well then, the magic question becomes, "Is there a Bylsma out there?"
Any suggestions?
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
no idea
I don’t keep up with that.
Mike Keenan.
That’s supposed to be funny.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 12, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
And that's the state of the union...
Might as well try Milbury then…
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Indeed. Let me rephrase.
Is there “Another” Bylsma out there?
Or, “Is the next Bylsma” out there?
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Me too... except maybe, Torchetti - because I feel he can make adjustments
and could improve special teams
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
How about John Scott?
In baseball, crappy players make the best managers. He’d be great with the media and certainly intimidating. This solves another problem too.
by pang off the post on Feb 12, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Was Bylsma an assistant or did he come from their AHL affiliate?
Just wondering how the dynamics of Havi stepping in at this point (which seems like the most likely scenario should they dump Q, given the sparsity of good experienced coaches out there) would play out and if Bylsma’s situation was comparable.
If Havi were to take over would his voice be enough of a change? Or do they need a complete outsider to generate a completely new message and strategy?
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Nevermind Havi
We need to get Bylsma over here. We just need to convince the Pens brass that he’s got to go:
“Seriously, Ray. We know all about holding grudges – we’ve got Q (who, mind you, we are in no way trying to replace). But for Dan to bench the league’s best player for a year just because he doesn’t like him? That’s unacceptable. You should fire him immediately.”
they did go on that winning streak last year under havi when q was in the hospital
so it may be possible
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD
btw who wants to buy my ledge
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 11, 2012 11:18 PM CST reply actions
come on guys, i don't want to die broke
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 11, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
i've always wondered how many people offed themselves to goodbye cruel world
and then i realize that is a very weird question think of
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 12, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Not really.
Natural curiosity. Also, some horrendously large percentage (in the upper 80’s, low 90’s) of the last words on airplane black box recordings are some variation of “Oh shit!”
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 12, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I thought it would be
“I wonder what happens if I press this butto-”
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
what about
“’looks like i picked the wrong week to start sniffing glue”
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 12, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
If the pilot is from Alabama
“Hey y’all watch this”
by neverhome30728 on Feb 12, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
chicks dig the barrel roll
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 12, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Its bad when I am expecting
to have at least 3 GA every game, and have my expectations exceeded day in day out.
by PatricktheGreat88 on Feb 11, 2012 11:19 PM CST reply actions
Maybe I'm wrong (which I'm ok with)
But it looks like our teams net presence consists of mostly Kruger and Toews.
Both of whom are smaller and work hard as hell.
Don’t see the bigger forwards getting dirty nearly as much.
by RVW5000 on Feb 11, 2012 11:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Forgive me for this
but I see no reason not to bring Jimmy Hayes back. I like the kid, and I dont remember him being a complete disaster defensively. He had a nose for the net, and I would like him in the lineup a little bit more than Shaw at this point. I’m not advocating folk love for the guy like the beats gave Smith, or the twitters gave Shaw, I just think at this point its worth trying something else
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I'm all for bringing Hayes back up
after Q and Kitch are gone. I don’t trust them to not ruin the kid.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Who is this? (genuinely asking, not sarcastic)
The cry has been for a physical, penalty killing defenseman, and there’s been one on the roster that Quenneville refuses to use on the PK.
Montador
PK specialist in Buffalo the last 2 years.
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by McClure on Feb 12, 2012 12:01 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
why leddy plays on the pk over montador
is completely baffling
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Gotta say, I think it is more system than personel
The X’s and O’s are the same as they have been for 3 years. Teams adapt. The PP is more visible when it comes to predictability, but I havent seen anything change with the PK besides personel all year
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I'd have to go back and check
but I don’t remember the Hawks playing a triangle +1 penalty kill until Mike Kitchen got here.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 12, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
I'd also add
when Torchetti ran the power play, the Hawks gave teams a lot more different looks. Particularly during the Cup year, the Hawks never ran the back-door play until late in the season. Almost like they were waiting to spring it on teams after a half season of never using it.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 12, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
How do the AHL contracts work?
He’s coaching the Aeros, who are the Wild’s team if I remember right.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 12, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Fair point, I might have gone back a year too far.
Either way, it seems to me that the forwards are looking to get the shortie more than preventing the goal. I would rather see the forwards diverge on the net and attempt to close lanes, giving up the point.
SCH moderator.
Although, I'll admit the personel we currently have
is not ideal for a shot blocking, converging penalty kill
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I was just typing something to this effect
I think if guys like Mayers and Frolik were given more of an opportunity to kill, you’d see them sacrificing their body a whole lot more.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 12, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
mayers gets some pretty good PK time
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
He's generally the third wing pairing to hit the ice
My point being, he’s not the first option. To go back just a few years ago when the Hawks had a top notch kill, Toews, Hossa, and Sharp were generally on that second or third pairing with the role players being the top killers.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 12, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
This is the best way to break the slump IMO
If we change the PK personel and system, leaving Sharp and Hossa off, replacing with Frolik and Mayers as the top pairing, it would theoretically fix the PK, and keep Hossa and Sharp a little more fresh. I keep going back to the PK as the reason above all that we are in the losing streak, and the easiest to fix.
SCH moderator.
I concur
Not to mention, the added responsibility to Mayers and Frolik would probably give them a boost in confidence, especially for the latter.
Also, I’d feel a lot more confident with asking those two guys to sacrifice life and limb to stop a slap shot as opposed to core guys who have probably never had to do it in their lives.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 12, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
Q doesnt seem to be the coach that operates in this fashion
hes quicker to tear a player down than find ways to build their confidence, at least thats my perspective of him so far.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
I just don't get how in two years
he’s completely soured on nearly every role player the Hawks bring in and refuses to give them any added responsibility. Meanwhile, the core guys he beats to death. This isn’t the same coach as when he took over.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 12, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
And before anyone jumps all over Bowman for bringing in bad role players
this year is completely different than last year. Montador, Frolik, etc are all proven NHL players either in their prime or just entering it. They can’t all suddenly suck once they don the Indian head.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 12, 2012 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This is one of the reasons I’ve been hesitant to target Bowman with my wrath. And although McClure—and others—have pointed out that these problems have been here even when winning, the fact that we were winning, and often, as close back as December, has me thinking that there will be no coaching change whatsoever, at the very least not during the season.
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i'm always interested to see the TOI of players just to see
and i feel like the levels they are at for some players just can’t be sustained without physical repercussions. As you say – what is it about them that Q doesn’t give them many chances or responsibility.
Tonight for example:
Defense: Seabs 29:13, Duncs 28:01, Leddy 20:30, Olsen 15:42, OD 12:29, and Lepisto 10:04 —> Was Lepisto so bad that he couldn’t break 15 mins and Seabs has to get close to 30?
Forwards: Kane 23:06, Sharp 22:23, Toews 20:55, Kruger 17:38, Hossa 16:47, and then everyone else under 15. Stals had 11:25 and lowest was Morrison with 8:44
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
Well, there was the goal he scored against his own goalie
I don’t blame him for that, but Q will.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Olsen did that first and he's still breaking 15mins
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
true, admittedly i was surprised he wasn't benched after that
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
I would love Frolick if he didn't take the same shot 3 times a game hoping for different results
We cannot play the box style of PK with our “core.” To be frank, they make too much money. You dont want a 6m player blocking Shea Webber’s shots. It’s tantamount to gambling. And as you said, they probably haven’t had to do that their entire career.
I would also add that the Triangle +1 makes the type of defenseman Q wants on the PK irrelevant. I see most of the goals coming from either behind the net, or from the corners. This is just a generalization, and I havent done much research on this, but I see a Dman and Forward playing the puck below the net or along the wall, and when that happens it leaves the other forward playing the point/lanes and the other Dman stuck in the crease defending 1 or 2 opposing forwards. There has got to be a better way to defend.
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The thing with the box (by-cracky)
is that those guys don’t necessarily have to drop to one knee to block a howitzer so long as they just take away the time and space of the puck carrier.
If anything, they need to start giving teams a different look. And I swear last night, I saw the Hawks start employing a box PK after the first period but I could have been hallucinating.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 12, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
I would commend them for trying something new
but I wish they would have done that during their “chalk talk” days
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My concern with the PK isn't so much whether they're running a triangle or box,
it has much more to do with zone entry.
I always thought the reason Q used some of the personnel that he does was because they were the best forecheckers, but not necessarily the best zone defenders. ANY system the Hawks run is going to get beat if they consistently allow the opposition to get set up. ANY team would give up a high rate of shots if it spent most of the time on the PK in their own zone.
Look at the Hawks PP. Over the past 8 games they’re averaging about one shot per every two PP’s. Why? Because other teams limit their zone entries with an effective forecheck that leads the puck carrier into a blue line trap. PKs that limit shots do so by spending very little time in actual zone coverage. Most run a very effective 3-1 forecheck and guide the zone entry into coverage. I don’t see this happening with the Hawks’ PK.
Also, I didn’t pay too much attention to the PK last night (or most of the game for that matter), but was PHX running mostly an umbrella? If so, that might be why the Hawks switch to the box. The triangle +1 is pretty good against the overload, but can get beat rather easily by the umbrella. When the puck is at the point, F1 has to both attempt to get in the shooting lane and simultaneously try to force the pass to one side, so F2 can cheat over. That’s not easy to do.
At least that’s my understanding of it. Maybe some of the better strategists here can weigh in on that.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
RE: Frolik - I would tell him if he takes a shot, he's benched -
Until he learns to look for his teammates.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Leddy is atrocious on the PK
Monty needs to be out there, but I wonder how much better monty would be. Is it enough better? I think Monty is more the indictment of the problem, we spent below average 2nd pairing money on an average 3rd pairing defenseman..
he was a pk specialist in buffalo
so i would assume he’d be better. why he’s not playing is up to q
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously neither Bowman nor Quenneville have done well in their roles this season
…but I have to agree with McClure that Q’s culpability is seeming greater.
Not that I’d give Bowman a great grade because he’s made some poor decisions — e.g. Crawford’s and Hammer’s contracts, getting nothing usable for Campbell, etc. — and the roster he assembled for this season is unbalanced. But his record is mixed: he’s also made some good moves.
The problem is that Q’s cascading failures tend to obscure the quality of the roster Bowman had assembled. Lepisto was a good value pickup, Montador should be an effective third-pair/PK guy, and so forth and so on as widely discussed here. No Bowman has not acquired a top-6 type player yet, but he shouldn’t have had to. Indeed that wasn’t the core issue before him. What he needed to get done he has gotten done at least fairly well. Not perfectly for sure, but not bad.
Here’s how I’m seeing it: take the core that Bowman inherited, add to it the supporting cast that Bowman has assembled while successfully getting out from under the cap crunch and acquiring some talented kids/picks, and give it to say…Barry Trotz. You think he’d have that squad in a death spiral in February? Okay Trotz is unfair maybe, but hell, go around the league. How many other experienced NHL head coaches would have this roster this completely dazed and confused heading into the home stretch?
Very few, if any. In which case for Bowman to now swap out some future for a top quality rent-a-player would be just a waste. So…yea I’ve sadly arrived that the conclusion that a coaching change is what must be made.
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 12, 2012 12:10 AM CST reply actions
But who is the guy? Who is the replacement? (From that which is available?)
And if anyone says Scotty, I’ll hit you.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Well I'm not sure
If it was me, I’d be at least considering making Haviland an interim for the rest of this season. But it may be that the least-bad choice, all things considered, is letting Q play out this season and then make a more normal head-coach change in the summer.
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 12, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
I have to agree with a lot of what you posted
Many of Stan’s pick ups were not bad if they were going to be utilized in a role that Stan picked them up for. I’m quite sure that when Stan signed Monty it wasn’t as a forward on opening night but rather a solid PK guy who can log heavy 3rd pairing minutes and fill in on the 2nd in a pinch. Hell I’d even bet Stan envisioned Lepisto getting many more minutes and games for that matter than Scott but in the end I think Q’s loyalties to those who have played for him previously and his dependence on the veterans of the roster have skewed the initial plans for the off season pick ups.
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Questions
I didn’t see the game, except for Emery’s big darf on the first goal. But I did see the 2nd intermission highlights, which consisted of a bunch of spectacular saves by Mike Smith and a goal by Phoenix. Sure didn’t look like the Hawks were refusing to do anything that increased their chances of scoring.
Additionally, Corsi was ridiculously in the Hawks’ favor, and the Hawks outshoot Phoenix 38-27.
So I’m wondering, were they really that bad tonight? If this wasn’t the 8th straight loss, are we all saying, “oh well, these things happen” instead of calling for the coach’s head?
And furthermore, is a new coach going to fix the goaltending? I mean, for all the rending of garments over system and personnel issues, it still remains the case that the only real statistical deficiencies on this team are SV% and the PK. And if there are two issues that are more closely intertwined, I don’t know what they’d be.
Like everyone else, I think that the PP problems are bizarre, but all the same calling for Q’s head seems reactionary in the extreme, at least in midseason. What do we really expect to change? I understand why “blame the goalies” is an unsatisfying approach, especially after a shutout, but in the real world, what actual problems are a coaching change really going to solve?
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by Brian C on Feb 12, 2012 12:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
But it was the eighth straight loss.
and thats the issue,
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
But it's not really
The issue, in this post at least, is whether or not a coaching change will make a difference.
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"You need a busload of faith to get by." - Lou Reed
I’m going to go way out on a limb here and predict we will win another game before the season ends.
To tell you the truth, the one thing that really bugs me is the “Easy Game Theory” that masked all the holes we have in our 11/12 lineup. THERE ARE NO EASY GAMES IN THE NHL.
What team, other than the Oilers, has really blown us out? we’re ina valley right now, ok maybe a sink hole. But we will emerge stronger. All growth takes place in the valley, not the mountain top. Am I the only one that notices are increased aggressivenes and more physical play lately. The boys are putting their all into it. Eventually the tide will turn.
Persoanlly, i’m quite satisfied witht he effort in the last two games. Kane, Hossa, Sharp and perhaps even the captain will score before the season’s over.
I don't think anyone was saying
they would not win for the rest of the season or that Toews, Hossa, etc… would not score, and you are correct in saying that growth will come from having gone through this but on the other hand I don’t think anyone can can argue the fact that their is a problem going on with this team given the talent currently on the roster.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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We've handily outplayed our last two opponents with nothing to show for it but gin and misery
if all these teams that are beating us are more solid contenders in the plauoffs, how are they letting us get near 40 shots / game. call me naive, but other than afew mistakes, (which always seem to end up in the back of our net), I’ve thought the team has looked good.
I fear what will happen if Rinne stands on his head on Tuesday and to complicat matters, we’ve got Lunquist next. Sheeeiiittt!
apparently the nucks lost 11 straight last year
i dont remember it though
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
nope
Their longest streaks were 4 each, which happened twice.
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That was me.
my mistake. I think we won some O/T or shootouts in the middle or something. Maybe it was me getting confused.
I do remember we had one pretty bad streak that Burrows broke with a shorthanded goal versus the Canes, and they went on a run after that.
My mistake guys. I should look these things up first!
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And here I trusted you.
Back to not trusting any Canuck fans for me…
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
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That was a colossal meltdown.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Their failures sound eerily similar to ours
Only won 7 games in January and February…ouch. I hope our fate isn’t the same.
by BodomSlayer on Feb 12, 2012 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
Last year's Avs say hi.
We were playing leapfrog with the Canucks for NW Division lead until Jan 24th, 2011. Then we went 5-26-2 in our last 33 games, including not one, but TWO 10-game-losing streaks. During that time, we even managed to suffer the worst loss our team has ever had: a 9-1 ass-whoopin by CALGARY exactly a year ago tomorrow.
So it could be worse. Much worse.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs and writes for Mile High Hockey.
I can't blame this entire fiasco on Stan
At the time, I was happy with the Hjammer signing. I thought it was a good deal for him. I can’t in good conscious blame StanBow after the fact for that move.
I was bummed Campbell got shipped out for a whole lotta nothing, although it is nice not having to hear the mouthbreathers in Section 325 yell about Campbell anymore. Silver linings and all that…
I know he’s young and blah blah blah but Nick Leddy right now isn’t the answer, unless the question is “Who is the current Blackhawk that causes Curtain Jerker to drink half a bottle of Bushmills a night?”
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Juror #5: No, Baltimore.
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by Curtain Jerker on Feb 12, 2012 12:25 AM CST reply actions
oh off topic/late
why was seabs getting boo’d in san jose? cause campbell wasn’t there to take it anymore?
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 12:29 AM CST reply actions
i don't think anyone knows.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
Was that before or after he laid that guy out on the half-boards?
I don’t remember who it was was, but Seabs (cleanly) leveled a Shark. Maybe they were booing that?
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Juror #7: You a Yankee fan?
Juror #5: No, Baltimore.
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As a Cubs fan, I understand what being a Baltimore fan feels like...
by Curtain Jerker on Feb 12, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
it was the whole game
from the first period
that hit on winchester was in the third period i think
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Sharks fans are idiots
From the booing of Brian Campbell when he left via free agency to the cheering of scumbag Dany Heatley to the “Let’s go Sha-arks” chant taht makes me want to kick puppies every time i hear it, they aren’t exactly swimming in the deep end of the smarts pool.
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Juror #5: No, Baltimore.
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by Curtain Jerker on Feb 12, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
I also hate their
organ its like a freaking synthasizer.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Its like
the team is stuck in the 80’s with all of the synthasizer that they use during a game. Also my dryer timer sounds better than that goal horn.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Haha
your right. plus the crowd chant that is sounds like a synthesized vacuum.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Same with Marleau
I don’t know why but his face kind of pisses me off. He almost looks like he knows hes good so he always has this cocky smirk on his face.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Yea
Marleau looks like hes trying to be a douche…which makes him more of a douche. Ugh I wish this team would win a game…and in TRUE DLR style. I think we can all agree we cannot spit in the face of the DLR gods again.
We just need
Kane and our goalies to step up then we will be fine. I seems like Kane has been a diffrent player since the Stanley Cup.
Im too lazy to make a signature
His Defense
has improved but his goals and points are way down from what i expected from him.
Im too lazy to make a signature
But he seems to control the play more
Who knows how that wrist is holding up too. Not to mention I really think he belongs on the wing of #19.
why nevermind?
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 1:54 AM CST up reply actions
oh ok haha
i was like – wait that was a good point!
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 1:56 AM CST up reply actions
I really think you are wrong here
I think our goaltending is not being helped out by our awful penalty kill. A good PK would drop our GAA to 2.75 or less. This isn’t to say that our goalies are blameless, but with a better pk, the goalies stats wouldn’t be so bad.
On Kane, I think he’s having a much better year than last year. He is doing a ton right, just not hitting the back of the net. He is still the best passer on the team.
SCH moderator.
You do have
alot of points but…I don’t know im just frustrated with this team. I realized im using the same excuse as 95 percent of the people critisicing the Hawks.
Im too lazy to make a signature
It's understandable though
I’ve become apathetic to the skid. Love the team, want em to win, and badly. But there isn’t anything I’m going to say or complain about that are going to change this.
I dont blame you one bit.
2 hours ago I was calling for Q’s head. I’m past the frustration part, I’m past the asking questions and hoping the answers fall from the sky. I’m at the part where I’m close to losing emotional attachment to this team for awhile, which is allowing me to look at this team in a way I havent before. I’m trying to find the answers and ignoring the company line that keeps getting thrown out.
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i was replying to Big Hoss.
I dont blame him a bit for being frustrated with this team.
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love whacky computers...
i usually do my best to physically abuse my computer without breaking it. its an interesting game…
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Its a mixture of both I think
CNS’s fanpost was really informative on this topic.
As for Kane, he’s an easy scapegoat, but is not the problem
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 1:46 AM CST up reply actions
i usually don't get the posts that have a lot stats in them to be honest
but i thought one was well laid out since I actually understood it.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 1:49 AM CST up reply actions
assuming i understand it correctly, and very simplistically put
even strength the goalies are sinking us, pp or pk the system is sinking us.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 1:53 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the PK isn't hurting the goalies' Sv%s
Hawks are 27th in 5on5 Sv%. They’re actually slightly better at 20th when 4on5.
And thanks JFK.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
And to add
those who keep blaming the defense are far off IMO. (and by “defense” I mean anyone other than Seabs or Keith)
2010 – 25 shots against per game
2011 – 29 shots against per game
2012 – 29 shots against per game
In 2010 they were 1st in the league. The past two seasons they’re still in the top 10 at limiting shots. Two things are skewing the numbers this season.
- Shots allowed on the PK are up and therefore the Hawks are actually doing a better job than last season 5on5.
- The drop in Sv% has wildly inflated the GA numbers. As I showed in my fanpost, with just a “league average Sv%” the Hawks would have given up 11 less goals at full strength over the first 7 games of the skid alone. 11! Now project that onto the season stats. Oompf.
The increase in shots actually occurred between 2010 and 2011. The top 4 defensemen who have by far the bulk of the influence on that number were the same those two seasons. So either the top 4 defensemen had a huge drop off in performance since 2010, or the forwards have been a much bigger culprit. Take your pick.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think the number of shots being allowed is the issue.
Rather I think that the team defense:
—> has been worse at winning and clearing rebounds from the crease area AND denying second (and even third) chance opportunities around the net off of initial shot attempts
—> has done a poor job forcing poor shot selection by the opposition (i.e. through good defensive positioning forcing the opposition to take shots from less desirable spots/angles). It seems to me that teams are getting more of their shots on our net from prime scoring areas and are often unchallenged when doing so.
I think these two things are equally as culpable for the rise in GA & Sv% as poor goaltender play.
I don’t know if there are statistics that measure the quality of the shots taken against us, but if there are I’d love to see a comparison of this season to the previous two or three.
I’m not trying to absolve the goaltending of guilt. It’s just that this meltdown looks like a breakdown in all areas and I’m not sure we can, or should, assign more blame to any one area of play than another.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
by nextgame on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Don't mean this as snark, but if any of this was true
then every bad team in the league would have goalies with .900 or below Sv%s and that’s hardly the case. Take Vokoun in Florida for example.
Bad goaltending simply leads to this illusion.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Just want to be sure I understand your point.
Are you saying that the play of the team in front of the goalie has little to do with the goaltenders Sv% or GAA?
That a goaltender will basically post similar numbers whether playing behind a good or bad team.
As an example, if we could magically swap Crawford for, let’s say Lundqvist or Elliot (who are 1-2 in GAA & Sv% in the league right now), they would still post similar numbers, playing behind the Hawks team as it is playing right now, and Crow would post similar numbers to what he’s sporting playing behind the teams in St. Louis and New York (Rangers) as they are playing right now.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
Yes
(except for the GAA part. That is a product of shot rate and Sv% combined, and the defense controls shot rate)
Team defensive system has an EXTREMELY limited effect on Sv%.
An example that is closer to home: Huet in 2010. He was behind the league’s #1 defense. How’d that work out?!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
That makes me feel somewhat better.
The GAA number is the more important of the two for my money since the only thing tallied up to determine the outcome of a game is goals scored. And it is at least partially controlled by the play of those out front of the goalie as well as the goaltender himself. (I was really having a hard time believing that the play of the forwards and D had NO affect on goalie stats.)
I’m still not sure I buy (or understand) that team defense has almost no impact on Sv% (your witchy numbers be damned!). It just seems counterintuitive to me that if your D is forcing opponents to fire long range shots from bad angles (a la Frolik) instead of allowing them primo scoring opportunities from in close that this doesn’t translate into more and easier saves for the goaltender.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
My wife says the same thing
about the music at all hockey games. Every game I watch it’s “Jesus is every hockey fan stuck in the 80’s? That’s the only music they play”!
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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exactly
shouldn’t it be “Go Sharks Go”? Everyone knows you don’t ADD syllables.
They even loved Ben Eag…oops..nvm
;-)
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It's in their genes -
Gi-ants
Nine-ers
War-yors
In an interview
he said the people of San Jose were “stupid fucking morons” and that he wished the Sharks played in Oakland where “at least people act real”.
OK, just kidding, I don’t know.
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I saw someone on twitter say they heard someone say
it was because he shoved Marleau into Crow that he got the interference penalty for. It’s not like we’re gonna score on a power play anyway. That explains why the initially booed him; why they kept booing him, I don’t know.
I know that we lost 3-0 and all
But I was at work. Was the effort that bad tonight? Or did we play a decent game?
decent game
Smtih was very good. i thought it was a great effort considering we played as hard as we could on Friday.
There’s two teams that I hate watching the hawks play-Phoenix and Nashville. And I think we got Nashville next.
How can anyone be close to losing emotional attachment to this team?
Yeah this sucks, but I didn’t sit through zhamnov as a captain to just give up now. I didn’t watch washed up player after washed up player waltz in to give up now. I didn’t listen to pat foley announce on the radio “We hope you enjoyed the broadcast, despite the outcome” after every damn home game… to give up now. There was an owner that refused to spend a dime on the team or even televise half of the games, and a lot of us here watched anyways.
This may sound super cheesy but what the hell does it say about blackhawks fans if we just jump ship after a few mildly tough years? All that does is prove to everyone that we were really bandwagon fans, not just people that wanted some damn commitment from ownership. COMMIT TO THE INDIAN! (sorry, I just love that line).
by lobster on Feb 12, 2012 2:13 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
I'm not sure if this is aimed at anyone in particular
Or even my comment about being apathetic. I still love this team, but I’m past the point of going insane because we continue to lose. I’ve come to terms with accepting and I’m still going to tune in for every game and just hope for the best.
The only thing that will kill my interest, again, is another fucking lock out.
This is super awkward.
I thought I saw a few posts where people said they were sort of done with the hawks and I got really cheesy and embarrassing.
That is understandable, I am sort of right there with you actually. My “winning culture” has sort of died this season and particular on this last run. I feel like a wild fan right now if you know what I mean.
I still want us to win and succeed
But what more is complaining and whining going to do for me? Cause me an ulcer? No thanks, lol. I’ll figure out ways to deal with being upset lol.
I totally know what you mean now.
I feel weird for getting emotional, sorry. Just a little drunk and pretty disappointed, seems like being a cup contender days are over for now.
Damn straight
Lobster!!!Commit To The Indian!!!I will not shower till this team defeats an opponent with a winning record!!!
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Feb 12, 2012 4:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
thumbs up from the Irish Contingent..
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
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by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
funny choice of words...
“emotionally attached to this team.”
I’m a Chicago fan – i’ll even root for the Cubs on occaision! But there’s just something about following the Hawks that might be unhealthy at times. i hate watching them lose and get way to high when they win. If, as Solomon said, “All life is meaningless,” why do I get so worked up?
perhaps people saying “I’m through with this team” is some sort of cosmic self defense system. I suspect they’ll watch the next game though.
There’s a great Bruce Cockburn song called “Lovers, in a dangerous time” – i love the verse that goes, “Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight..”
keep kicking Hawks – there have been some rays of optimism in the last few games
I think the fact that we are all
pissing and moaning but still offering up suggestions for a possible solution means we’re all still hanging in there. I’m not seeing too many lying crumpled in the trench below the ledge at the moment.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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I don't wanna be
Captain hindsightnor anything..but a friend of mine Zac with whom I have watched countless streams of Hawks games claimed during the Cup run that this team would win the Cup in spite of Q..Totally agree with you Zac,if younare reading this :) …now,no more bitching and complaining,what is the solution to makIng this team a contender next year,cause this season is obviously lost..and i don’t believe trading Kane is the answer..and I agree,Scotty being the coach would helP a lot,but he isn’t coaching ever again…depression has sunk in totally ..uuuughhhhh
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Feb 12, 2012 3:45 AM CST via mobile reply actions
deep breaths...
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Taking...deep...breaths
Let’s Go Hawks!!!
by Special Agent Dale Cooper on Feb 12, 2012 9:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The solution to ending this streak is SIMPLE,
The Hawks need to score more goals then they allow!!!
I don’t know what is so hard about this concept people, geesh!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 12, 2012 7:54 AM CST reply actions
tres simple.. poisson..
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think anyone here disagrees with that sentiment
First of all, do we have the personnel to score more goals? The obvious answer should be a resounding “yes”. How do we know this? Because we’ve seen it happen. Sure, it may have been against so-called lesser teams, but we’ve also seen that, with a little effort, goals have come against better opponents.
So, the talent is there…well, maybe a new goalie and blah blah blah blah would help too, but that’s S. Bow’s job. The bigger question is, is there anyone available out there that has a system/philosophy that would be able to take what we have and right this ship. Because, obviously, it seems as though the current dry erase board brothers are gonna keep sticking with the current system/philosophy.
Not to say a new coach WILL right this ship, but the barks of Q-tip and crew are definitely falling on deaf ears at this point.
Never write Bow's job.
My mind read that from the gutter and I had to go back and reread.
by SludgeFeast on Feb 12, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
bye Q
while it may seem like a knee – jerk solution to any team that’s on a long skid, ultimately it’s the head coach who falls on his sword first. And while I’m admittedly still very much in the Stanbow fan club, it’s not sacriledge to say that some of his aquisitions haven’t panned out…yet. I don’t think Q has been using his resources to their fullest potential at all, and for that cardinal sin above all others he needs to be shown the door. So what if Havi’s not being given the ideal chance to run the club, might as well give him the reins and see what he can do – it’s now or never for this team and organization, watching the game last night was akin to watching road apples dry. They’re lifeless, they’re dead on their skates, they look wayyyyy too much like the bad old days when much of the team looked like they just didn’t give a flying fuck out there. For what many of them are paid we should and must expect better performances than this – that’s not Boris the Drunk Russian out there, it’s Patrick Fucking Sharp.
btw the Russian reference should be obvious to those of a certain age
you know what fat fuck I’m referring to – worst alleged “captain” of the Blackhawks…ever.
Waylon'd myself
that’s a new one, even for me – that’s how pissed off I am right now. Sorry for the rant.
Coaches let go in the last 8 months who are, as far as I know, available
Davis Payne
Paul Maurice
Randy Carlyle
Terry Murray
Jacques Martin
Scott Arniel
Craig Ramsay
Marc Crawford
Cory Clouston
Peter DeBoer
Jacques Lemaire
Todd Richards
Of that list, the only two of remote interest to me are Martin (defense oriented) and Crawford (Cup pedigree, albeit a long time ago), though I’m sure more knowledgeable folks than me have more informed opinions.
I also wonder if moving Eddie O from the broadcast booth to behind the bench solves one problem or two.
by GenPabloSecobar on Feb 12, 2012 9:54 AM CST reply actions
Poor kids
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Re: Eddie O
I used to think Edzo would make a good coach someday. That illusion has since been shattered, for many reasons.
by Skags on Feb 12, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Edzo as coach? - I threw up in my mouth a little. - How about GM?
And that IS sarcasm…
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
I wouldn’t want a single one of these guys. If I had to choose, I’d pick Maurice and then Carlyle. After that, nope. Maurice because he’s always struck me as a calm presence and an intellectual guy, as well as a good motivator. But he hasn’t really proven himself well when tasked with righting the ship. Carlyle because of his ability to demand guts and effort from his teams, and his defense-first focus.
There’s also MacTavish, Bob Hartley, and Guy Carbonneau.
www.mjt.org
I always liked Ted Nolan
I don’t know why I did. But he can potentially be grabbed from the Latvian National Team
by GenPabloSecobar on Feb 12, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
I might do terrible things
If I see Carbonneau’s name mentionned again.
by LavalPhantom on Feb 12, 2012 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Carlyle sure got that "guts and effort" from the Ducks this year
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
No doubt, but he’s a Cup winner … and was a fucker of a coach for a few good years. Bunches of excellent coaches have a best-before date. Pat Burns is one of the greats that springs to mind.
And Pablo … ya, I’m not saying I wanted any of these guys (Carbonneau) … was just pointing out their potential availability.
www.mjt.org
Carlyle might be the drill sargeant they need, but based on special teams, they need a tactician
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
At least we don't need to limit the choices to a coach who speaks French
only to one who has (or can grow) a mustache.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
In a word NO
he is not a good NHL coach, and the fact that he hasn’t worked as one in years attests to that sentiment.
We don't like the fact that Q has used the defense inappropriately
So let’s replace him with the moron who thought #51 was our number 5 D-man? Pass!
by SludgeFeast on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
From that group
Jacques Lemaire.
I know, that’s absolute sacrilege to those of us that still bear the scar of the ‘71 Cup final, but the guy gets results behind the bench.
We might wind up being the most boring team in the league to watch, but at least we’d win some games.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
DeBoer is in Jersey and Richards is in Columbus.
Edzo was worse as a coach in Pittsburgh than he is on TV.
As much as it would pain me
to see you guys turn it around and start beating everyone. I think the only way it would happen is if there was a coaching change. Changing GM’s at this point would make no sense. Trading core players for people who would then have to play in a broken system makes no sense. Trading Crawford at this point doesn’t make sense as the goalie you get in return will be from a non-contender and would have to pull off a Roloson-like performance.
Having said that, who the fuck would take over and would any of you like him.
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
I think we can get some new blood at goal without making a trade
Huet. I don’t really see why we wouldn’t do that, at this point.
As far as who we bring in and would we like him… who really knows.
I’ll comment on this as long as I see it come up. Huet isn’t new blood, as far as I’m concerned. He’s the exact same blood we have now. Why not sign Gerber? Why not re-sign Turco? And ya, I know these aren’t necessarily valid comparisons, but there’s a reason Huet is where he is, imo, and that’s because he not a good NHL goaltender … or, at the very least, no different from the below-average goaltending we’re already getting.
And I laugh … cliff and CNS are shaking their heads in dismay as they read …. heh.
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Well, to each their own, but this is far off
Huet is where he is, imo, and that’s because he not a good NHL goaltender
Salary cap, waivers, etc, etc…
Why would ANY team pay him almost $6M if they think he’s only worth $1M, $2M, or even $3M or $4M? That’s why he is where he’s at (IMO).
/shakes head in dismay
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
If he came over in April, (when he's done with Fry-Borg giveadamn) remaining salary would not be much
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
No, I know … I only meant that is salary, previously, played a large part in him having to go overseas, that it wasn’t only a question of his inability to play well as a starter.
www.mjt.org
This is all fun to kid about, but if the did bring back Huet... (barring an injury/emergency)
I would start looking for a good ledge.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Re-sign Turco?
TURCO?
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
turco was bad last year
partly of the resulting poor defensive play by the hawks in the beginning of the year.
hed be a fucking sieve if he came in now.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Turco has a gig in Austria
That’s why he left the NHL Net
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Feb 12, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
He did have a clause put in his contract that will let him out if an NHL team wants him
by girlphoenix on Feb 12, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
i think hawks bringing turco back would put me over the ledge
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
apparently you aren't committed to sparkle motion
by girlphoenix on Feb 12, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
i've had enough of that breakdancing turtle
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
I was watching the Caps/Rangers game today
and saw Neuvirth’s red pads and I was just “Aww Turcs”
by girlphoenix on Feb 12, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
Crap goaltending
makes all the other bad things (with thhe exception of the PP problem) happen.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
well allowing tons of shots on the PP isnt a consequence of crap goaltendin
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
They allow too many shots on PP too (as in, more shots than they shoot) usually breakaways
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Yep.
Crap goaltending trickles down…affects so many other things. Stan’s biggest screw-up was giving Crawford the keys to the kingdom without having an adequate plan B in place in case he couldn’t handle it.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 12, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Plan B was Emery. In the summer, before that signing, I recall some people saying we were going to be fine with just Crawford and Salak!
I’m not saying it was a perfect Plan B that resulted, but just out of curiosity, what would you have had Bowman do, considering who was available?
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blah blah
don’t come back with that “what was possible” bullshit! He should have been better – don’t question how.
by oregon_hawk on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
why didn’t you sign Bryzgalov for nine years at $51 million?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 12, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Just imagine
Fro-Fro and Bicks with that long of a contract.
Im too lazy to make a signature
NO!
THE HORROR!!!
Im too lazy to make a signature
Unless his head gets permanently wired in a bad way I suspect he’ll be better. Maybe not this year though. It was a bit of a trap coming in, with all that money, the “we need a goalie” mantra and the overall impatience and high expectations of the fanbase. The defense has sucked, which many are discounting or ignoring altogether.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 12, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Adam Dunn
wishes you were a White Sox fan.
Could you imagine the situation
if those who didn’t see the need in keeping Emery got their way??
With Corey struggling and Salak injured, Richards might have ended up as the backup goaltender. Richards who just got demoted by Rockford. Woof!
Regarding Salak though. He was fine before he got injured and just had his strongest game of the year on his first game back the other night. He’s only given up more than 3 goals once this season and that was in a game that the Hogs took 9 penalties (2 PP goals).
I wouldn’t put it past the Hawks to “subtly” move him up right after the trade deadline, dress him as backup for a game or two, then toss him a start or two, and if he looks good, give him the reigns. It seems to be their MO in recent years and there’s not many other options out there.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
after the trade deadline they wouldn't have to move someone down to get him up here, right?
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
fine by me
I’m not in the change for change’s sake department, but clearly some kind of change of karma is needed in our goal mouth. And since Salak was none too pleased about having to play in the minors, sounds like plenty of motivation for him right now. All we need to do now is worry about him taking his stick and garooting the unfortunate soul who dares to trespass his trapezoid. Thwack!
Well, we sure need someone who is hungry...
But if Salak was on the Roster in October, I think we would be out of the playoffs already.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
based on...what, exactly?
I remember the exact same sentiments regarding Nemo at almost the exact same time, if not later in that season. “Oh noes, Huet blows and now this guy? Never heard of him! And he was doing WHAT last year? Driving the farking Zamboni in Finland? Whaaaa?!!! We’re doomed, DOOMED, I TELL YOU!”
Salak is not some green rook we just picked up for pocket lint. The man has played against decent competition overseas and was looked upon as potentially a good goaltender for the NHL by his former team, but was stuck behind others who were rated even higher in their system.
Salak looked better than Emery in the preseason.
The goalies are playing badly, Salak was supposed to be nearly NHL ready. He’s been injured much of the year but I always saw his being in Rockford as the chance to get experience rather than have him as a backup.
It’s time he got a chance. If he’s bad, whatever, our goalies are already bad.
yup, bring him up to the big club post deadline.
but also have that other proven NHL-calibre goalie on the Hawks books available as well..
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
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by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, if you want to think of Salak as some scrub, fine by me.
It’s not like Crawford hasn’t been a scrub for most of his professional career.
For what it's worth, I like Salak just fine
But unfortunately, and no fault of his own, he’s only played 10 games this year.
He could easily come up and find lightning in a bottle. If I say anything positive about Emery, please do not interpret it as a negative on Salak.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
I honestly don't think they'd even need to wait until the deadline.
If they need to, waive one of the guys who barely plays anyway or even * gasp * Crawford. It might not be very responsible, but I’m pretty sure he’d clear waivers at this point.
* If you wanna crown him, then crown his ass
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Was I dreaming?
Or did I read/hear that Q flipped flopped Havie and Kitchen. Moving each to new ends of responsibility on offense/defence.
by Everettsanipass on Feb 12, 2012 11:01 AM CST via mobile reply actions
How about?
Show Q and Kitchen the door.
Bring back Torchetti with Haviland and let them serve as assistants under Scotty Bowman for the remainder of the year knowing one of them will take over next year as head coach.
A long shot, yes. But one with potential. Players get coached by a legend and hopefully respond for the rest of the year while special teams get some real coaching from the assistants.
It more likely that you or I end up coaching the Hawks the rest of the year
Than Scotty Bowman doing the job.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So
you might have to wheel him to games and keep some prune juice in the locker room.
He’s still a legend and I am sure Have and Torch will do the heavy lifting.
Seriously, Scotty looks pretty good for 79.
How old was Marv Levy when he last coached the Bills?
It's going to take more than that to keep Scotty behind the bench for a full 60.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Thought he was 77. Not that there is a big difference.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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Just get rid of
Kitchen and bring back Torchetti
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How does it work with AHL coaches mid-season, I wonder. I don’t myself think that Torch is the answer, but do AHL coaches usually leave teams mid-season? I doubt there’s too many precedents of this … I’d think those moves are more normally in the summer, no?
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It happens...
Didn’t Kirk Muller do it this year?
Also, wasn’t that the story with Payne in SL and Bylsma?
I’d think there must be something in their contracts, though, no? Maybe it’s a pretty common clause for AHL coaches’ contracts, that they can leave mid-way.
And of those, only Muller was coaching an AHL team that wasn’t the affiliate of the NHL team he was hired to coach … the contracts would probably specify something about that, too. I’m guessing here.
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All I know is, the great coaches of tomorrow have to come from somewhere...
I’m sure people doubted Bylsma when he came up too.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
I don't see how Q wouldnt be counted as a legend
he is top 10 all time in a ton of stats.
SCH moderator.
Stop assuming the overall talent is great...
“The core” - when healthy he is a top 3 player in the league. End of subject
Toews -
Hossa — arguably the best two-way player in the league, bu too streaky in Hawk sweater
Sharp — a solid scorer, but lacks defensively and has little “grit”
Kane — a shadow of what he was two seasons ago…but no question the innate skill
Keith — over-worked to death, but not really one of the league’s elite d-man
Seabrook - a good hard-working d-man an invaluable defensive forward on this team
Bolland -
The young complements - great athleticsm and nose for puck, but not top 6 material and defensive liability
Stalberg -
Hjalmarsson — quality hard working d-man and most underrated member of the team
Leddy — talent is there, but horribly exposed as the season has gotten tougher
Kruger — I think a future star, but clearly a work in progress that is also less than 100%
Shaw — a gritty lunch bucket type who has been a shot in the arm but is being over played
The filler - exceeded expectations for what he is
Mayers -
O’Donnell — met expectations for what he is at this stage
Brunette — major disappointment, with Stanley thinking he could be top 6 LW
Montador — major disappointment, and signed to a bad contract to boot
Morrison — shown very little
Bickell — generally speaking a major disappointment in the role he is here to serve
Frolik — only redeeming quality is work ethic on defense
The goalies - serviceable goalie who has disappointed (i.e., he’s not good enough)
Crawford -
Emery — a quality backup goalie
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Stop being dumb.
The issue with the hawks is NOT top end talent and if you think that please follow a different sport.
The issue with the Hawks during this losing streak has been the top end talent
At the very least, they haven’t been part of a solution.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
... ready any of like 4 pieces of media that have
nevermind.
you prove it isn’t.
by oregon_hawk on Feb 12, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Burden of proof on the person making a claim
As far as my claim goes, offensive production from “the core” has dropped to near zero (or in last night’s game, ZERO) while most of the goals being scored are being scored with “the core” on the ice- especially our “core” defensemen.
I outlined this Tuesday night, with most of the core’s production, and was told it’s not fair to judge them in the midst of a losing streak. I contend that the losing streak is BECAUSE of their poor play.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
your inability to read is not my problem.
seriously, if you think ‘the core’s production’ is a bigger problem than goaltending and coaching over this losing streak… well, no amount of writing will fix your problem.
by oregon_hawk on Feb 12, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
My inability to read?
How about your inability to formulate and argument and needing to rely on what you read others right to make an opinion.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Yikes, helps to flame if I'm not typing "right" instead of "write"
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
That game was lost because the hawks were sloppy in their own end early.
You go down 2-0 in the 2nd of a back to back, where you just played a good,physical sharks team, against a red hot coyotes, during a 7 game losing streak…. you are going to lose and probably ugly.
The whole team combined for -15 last night
And only Olsen was a -2. Seabrook, and Bolland’s line were the only ones at even. So, it’s not just the core group that’s getting scored on. The whole team is just sucking right now in their own zone.
Yes, the top players need to step up, but to blame this solely on them is unfair because they were the only reason the Hawks aren’t at rock bottom because they were the ones doing all the scoring at the start of the season and expecting them to constantly score 4+ goals a game is unrealistic. The whole team needs to tighten up as a whole, and that to me speaks more about the coaching decisions than the players themselves.
For what we are paying our top 5 forwards
They better produce more consistently
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 12:10 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Can't disagree with that
But I don’t like how they allowed the defensive problems to slide just because they were winning games on an easy schedule; this mess was a long time coming with how loosely they were playing at the start of the season. Defence wins Stanley Cups, not just torrid scoring.
This is easy.
Dressing John Scott to start the road trip- then playing him 3:00 minutes.
Putting Leddy on the PK. Even though he gets beat, repeatedly.
PP- they keep trying the same thing, over and over, and over and over, and now it’s been 7 games since we scored on the PP.
Line juggling.
Refusal to make ingame adjustments.
Poor Goaltending is self evident. Look at their stats. Watch them play.
by Skags on Feb 12, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can I make one correction?
*then after having dressed john scott and played him for only 3 minutes, he dressed john scott again the next game. Sheer genius I tell you.
Let's say I agree with those (which I don't)
The Scott horse is beaten to burger.
The problems are the PK are not even closely limited to Nick Leddy. Dunc has gotten torched repeatedly. Plus, it doesn’t help that the pressure from the forward on the PK has been a joke.
Yep, power play is a problem. Don’t agree that it’s just a matter of trying something new, but still a problem.
Your next two points seem to contradict each other. Damn near every coach in the league starts juggling lines when things aren’t working. Q does it more than most, but St. Louis changes lines nearly ever game- and in game- too. Q’s been doing it forever, and it’s still worked out. The change has been production, and I fail to see how keeping the same non-producing lines together solves anything.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Scott horse is beaten to burger...
Are you suggesting that’s not a legitimate issue simply because it’s been beaten to burger? I’ll concede that Scott is slightly improved over his play a year ago. However, if he’s only playing 5 minutes or less when he dresses then why dress him at all?? He’s a liability to the team on the ice or on the bench. His best spot is in the press box. This is one very clear example of some bad decision making by Q.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Wut?
The Scott horse is beaten to burger.
We can beat the Scott horse until we split atoms. The point still remains.
The problems are the PK are not even closely limited to Nick Leddy. Dunc has gotten torched repeatedly. Plus, it doesn’t help that the pressure from the forward on the PK has been a joke.
I didn’t say they were limited. But the fact remains, he’s getting killed out there and there are other better options.
Yep, power play is a problem. Don’t agree that it’s just a matter of trying something new, but still a problem.
How would we possibly know if it’s a matter of trying something new? They keep running the same stupid entry with a forward at the point and it’s not working. For a guy who juggles his lines before they even hit the ice, why hasn’t he tried something different?
Your next two points seem to contradict each other. Damn near every coach in the league starts juggling lines when things aren’t working. Q does it more than most, but St. Louis changes lines nearly ever game- and in game- too. Q’s been doing it forever, and it’s still worked out. The change has been production, and I fail to see how keeping the same non-producing lines together solves anything.
No, they don’t at all. Line juggling is not the same as making an ingame adjustment to their style of play.
And the line juggling… can you tell me who the second line center is on this team? Who is on our top scoring line? IS Bolland the second line center or the third? I agree, mixing up the lines can create a spark. But he’s abused this to the point of absurdity. These lines are never given a chance to gel and get comfortable with each other. There is no consistency.
As far as ingame adjustments… a couple nights ago the Hawks allowed 6 or 7 2 on 1’s the other way. 6 or 7. That’s called getting your ass worked. That’s bad coaching. Make a fucking adjustment. Put an extra forward back in the neutral zone -something!
Last night the Hawks were just firing the puck in and Smith would gamble it up and send to a d man to go the other way. He just refuses to adjust.
by Skags on Feb 12, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dunc has gotten torched repeatedly.
Now you’ve really stepped in it! WHAT CRAZED MIND WOULD SAY SUCH THINGS??
/agrees, sprinkles Elven Lembas breadcrumbs on Mike Martin’s cloak, runs off
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You shut up with your voo doo numbers, witch
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm really just a duck
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Didn’t read it. Too long and I haven’t the time today. Will later. If it bothers you, too bad.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
Don't confuse me with the facts, eh?
Well that’s too bad for you, CNS’s analysis is really strong. Here’s the punchline that most made me spit up in amazement: “The hawks have been on the man advantage 19 times and shorthanded 22 times, yet they have been out-shot 47 to 11 on special teams.” Bloody hell, how does a team even do that?? Well I guess we’ve all been watching how. Clown shoes, indeed.
Not that seeing in black and white how much of the even-strength failures have been about goaltending is happy reading either, of course. Particularly since there’s no particular reason to think that problem could be solved by a coaching change.
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 12, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
That "core" is still damn good.
They certainly have not been good enough but I still think the issue with this team lies primarily if not completely in goal, on the back end and among a few depth forwards who can’t chip in offensively.
I agree completely the core is damn good
But what we’re seeing is when the core drops off, the whole team does.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
gosh
it would almost be like there were… central… no. critical. No…. theres another c-word I’m looking for.
by oregon_hawk on Feb 12, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Grow up.
That was a fair assessment based on performances this year. Deserved better than “dumb” and “follow another sport”.
If you think this roster does not have talent deficiencies something is wrong.
Even when things were going well the problems in goal and the team’s ability to grind out a playoff series were being doubted…. with good reason.
This team does have talent deficiencies
One of them is in goal, and the other is behind the bench running the special teams. If you haven’t read CNS’s fanpost yet, have a bottle of something strong handy when you do.
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 12, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
SENILITY NOW??
And now. Now where was I? And now. Now sure if I mentioned this… And now. Stop me if you’ve heard this before…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
What exactly has Montador done, or not done
to be a major disappointment?
I’m not sure what you were expecting from that role.
by GenPabloSecobar on Feb 12, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
He has a pretty decent sized contract.
Not that I expected more out of him but with that contract a player should be doing more.
He's been awful in the defensive zone
To the point where Q removes him from games during crunch time. Meaning that Duncs, Seabs and Hammer are asked to do more. Over-shifting those three has been causal relationship to this team’s problems the last 6 weeks. The brutal fact is the Hawks have been playing with 3 defenseman in the minds of the coaching staff.
This team hasn’t recovered from moving Brian Campbell. it is so painfully clear. To include on the powerplay.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Montador wasn't brought in to replace Campbell
They play two different games. Montador was brought in to replace…Boynton or Sopel…that guy.
The guy is a +4 this year with his partner for most of the season being either a 40 year old, a 6-8 moving traffic cone, or the ghost of Sami Lepisto. He also has as many PP goals as Kane.
I expected a couple more hits based on his numbers in Buffalo last year, but with his ice time down, he’s probably on the same pace there as well.
by GenPabloSecobar on Feb 12, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Montador's contract makes him dissapointing.
And sopel actually killed penalties and was valuable enough to be among the top 4 and on the ice late in big games where the hawks were protecting leads.
i think monty can kill penalties to
but who knows since q puts fucking leddy out there intsead
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Right, it's a chicken-egg thing
I think Montador doesn’t get enough ice time because Q thinks he sucks.
You think he sucks because Q doesn’t give him enough ice time.
by GenPabloSecobar on Feb 12, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Q's lack of usage
makes Monty disappointing.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
So if Q did not put Sopel on the PK
Then Sopel would have been a disappointment?
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Don't mean to throw a wrench into anyone's argument by using my witchcrafteryryry
Buuuut… Numbers seem to disagree (as well as my eyes) that Monty has been god awful.
- Monty, best Relative Corsi of all defensemen
- Monty, best Corsi of all defensemen
- Monty, lowest GoalsAgainst/60 of all defensemen
- Monty, 2nd lowest rate of ShotsAgainst/60 of all defensemen
Monty is also a +4 and is 4th in scoring among defensemen. The 3 players in front of him avg 27, 24, and 22 mins TOI. Monty averages only 14:57.
And you keep harping on about Campbell on the PP. Do you watch hockey? Campbell got demoted the 2nd unit (when he was on the PP at all) last season because he was ineffective. 2011 5on4 scoring for defensemen.
I know these number mean ABSOLUTELY nothing, just tossing it out there.
The more you know.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Also,
tell McDonough and his “hockey consultant” to fuck off and stay out of personnel decisions.
The profile of this team’s core and the players they moved after 10 have McDonough’s pretty boy marketing strategy fingerprints all over them.
This team needs some Ladd/Byuglien style ugly!
There is zero point zero chance Q gets fired
The armchair quarterbacks can call for Q’s head all they want, but it isn’t happening. And I would be stunned if Rocky and the Bowmans made a coaching change in the offseason either.
Scotty Bowman wields say in the organization . He is unabashed supporter of Q. To suggest Q’s job is on the line is to let fan emotion run amuk. Q being let go isn’t going to happen.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Mister BLou-
Mister BLoutarski: Zero point zero
by tgo909 on Feb 12, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really think people overestimate the role Scotty Bowman plays in this organization. He doesn’t even live in Chicago. He might get a call now and again from Q (but I doubt it), and obviously his son and he talk, but I think he’s pretty much just a sounding board, I don’t think he exercises any control whatsoever, and very little influence.
www.mjt.org
I think hes more of like
a consultant like Stan probably asks for his advice on trades and signings and stuff like that.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Scotty Bowman has the ear of Stanley, Rocky and Quennville
Absolutely so. Yes he is retired. But he is advising this team. No question about that.
Quenville is NOT getting dismissed anytime soon. I’ll bet the ranch on that.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
so he collects them, like the guys in Vietnam movies. No wonder he’s feared.
And are you betting your ranch or Quenneville’s?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 12, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
your stubborn dogmatism is always amusing
and your reasons for Q’s Pully – like abilities to stay on apparently forever are also hilarious.
sacred cow
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'll need to see his ranch before I do any wagering.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Yes this is important
I guess grass sticking out of asphalt with roaming rats doesn’t count?
Call me Marlon Brando.
BLou's ranch is Detroit?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
You make the ranch sound as though it is in Detroit's finest neighborhood.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
So... how much is the BLou ranch going for these days?
… checks on zillow.com
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
i will say
WGN radio had him on for 10 minutes before the game last night. he is still very astute and attuned to the issues the team faces. not crazy abut goaltending.
We like our people!
I disagree 100%
My opinion of Q put to the side I think his position as head coach is VERY secure within the hierarchy of this team. He has the full backing of Rocky, Scotty and Stan. I am 1000% convinced of that.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Whether right or wrong...
Quennville will be head coach of the Hawks in 2012-2013. He has the complete support of the hierarchy. He is going nowhere.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
....
how do you know this, except by your own self-delusion?
by oregon_hawk on Feb 12, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
What in do you have?
You sleeping with stan? Do you have a crystal ball that can tell the future!!?
It's just my sense....
As a partial season ticket holder I’ve gone to events that include Rocky, McD and Blunk speaking. It is my interpretation that the organ-I-zation believes it has a “lifetime” coach in place. Ala Mike Babcock in Detroit and Barry Trotz in Nashville.
It will take a HELLUVA lot more than an awful losing streak and threat of missing the playoffs for a season for Quennville to be shit-canned. And it is also my belief that the hierarchy looks at this team objectively and KNOWS that there are deficiencies.
In my view the onus is on Stanley.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Okay
Just don’t say you are 100% sure, because you are not. It is an opinion, not a fact.
I blame stan a bit too but I also blame Q, and I think in this case you start with the coaching staff (easiest change to make) and then see what happens from there.
I am critical of Q as well
Saying he has job security doesn’t mean I am not critical of the man.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
will
I don’t agree with your blanket statements, but I don’t think Q will be fired this season myself, either. As many problems as are here, this team isn’t that far removed in time from being number one in the league, and I doubt you see Stan making a rash decision to fire anyone (even if maybe he should, which is a different argument).
www.mjt.org
I admit we're almost at point where it's too late
But we’re not there yet.
Tracey Myers tweeted today that on Jan 20th, the Hawks were tops in the league with 64 points. Since then we have gotten 1 point and have slid to a point where we’re looking up at the division leaders. I refuse to believe that Stan and Co aren’t concerned. There is no way they’re aren’t looking at all options. IF he can turn this around and start stacking up some points, he’ll be in better shape. But right now, mired in this losing streak, after all the hype about working on the PP in practice, and all the defensive “chalk talk” and everything, and seeing zero improvement from either, I believe his sit is scorching hot right now.
There is no question in my mind that his job is in serious jeopardy.
I don’t know about this Chico, I really don’t. I can’t for the life of me really understand what has happened here other than the players have tuned Quenneville out and have gone rogue.
Is he to blame for such porous goaltending? Absolutely not, but he is in control of the special teams and that has been a complete mess – worse than when Savard was in control. He can’t escape that.
I’m also not so sure that Rocky and those that control the franchise really want the “FIRE Q!” chants to rage across the Madhouse on Madison. Now I’m not saying that they have to listen to the fans, but they cannot be blind to the obvious either and it’s abundantly clear as to what the real problems lie within this very talented team.
IMO he’s going to be fired. It’s just a question of “when?”. I’d rather have Stan do it sooner than later before the players just start going off in the media. Last night Kane and Sharp came ‘oh-so-close’ to doing so, if they lose in Nashville they just might force Stan’s hand/wand.
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if they don't like the FIRE Q chants then they better be ready for some booing
if they keep playing like this on home ice it’s going to go from bad to worse. It will get ugly quickly, and for good reason.
Stan just strikes me as a cautious GM, which is not a bad thing imo. As much as I sense Q is to blame for some of what’s been going on, I also think Stan realizes that our defense (fwds and d), our giveaways, and our goalies have all contributed to our falling record. I don’t see him pinning all of it on Q and firing him, not when we were first place in the entire league not so long ago.
Added to this, I really don’t see any enticing replacements out there. Who gets hired in his stead? It’s Crawford, Carlyle, Maurice, Martin, MacTavish … and I’m sure I’m missing a couple others … but these are the only viable replacements with experience. Any change would be refreshing, and I could talk myself into the benefits of one or another, but would any available coach really turn this team around at this point? Stan isn’t going to make the change just to make a change and shake things up, he’s only going to do it if the hired person is obviously better. I don’t see it … as much as I might want to.
www.mjt.org
That I don't agree with
Miss the playoffs and he’s gone.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Feb 12, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
The statement: "There is zero point zero chance Q gets fired"
Whether right or wrong…
Quennville will be head coach of the Hawks in 2012-2013.
Basic math, how does it work?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
How about this then
If Q is fired before the end of the season you agree to stay off this board until next year? Because you’re 1,000 sure, that should be an easy one for you, correct?
by Waylon on Feb 12, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I dunno...that would be hard for anyone to do cold turkey.
Maybe he should start practicing now so its not so much a shock if/when Q goes.
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by hairhelmet on Feb 12, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ha! I like it
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by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
and when this losing streak
runs out to 9 games, they beat the BJ’s then lose at home to the Blues do you really think Q will be untouchable?
Not hoping this will happen but….
The team seems to be responding better the last 2 games but in CAL and EDM they looked like they had just tuned Q out completely. If that continued he would be gone.
Ok Mrs. Q
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Fire him
There. I said it. And yes, I mean the ’stache.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 12, 2012 11:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I never remember
Will I get yelled at here for trying to convince people that we should bring back Sopel?
Brian Campbell was part of "the core"
He was ridiculously criticized by the meatballs. But his value to this team during his 3 seasons was immense.
His contract was a problem, and hence he was shown the door. But I will argue his departure has been a body blow to this team.
And given the issues with Keith, I’m starting to think all out pursuit of Gary Suter in the offseason needs to be the strategy.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
so you would retain soupy
and when his contract was an untradeable albatross, you’d be hammering Bowman for not unloading him when he had a chance.
by oregon_hawk on Feb 12, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Reading is fundamental
Losing Campbell has been a body blow. If he needed to be traded away (which I’m not arguing) then there had be a strategy for semi-replacing what he brought to the table in terms of quarterbacking the PP, moving the puck up the ice and playing defense. He wasn’t Norris Trophy material defensively, but he was a lot better than his critics would pretend. His quarterbacking has gone 100% unreplaced. Nick Leddy wasn’t ready for the job.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Losing that 7 mil cap hit has been a big cap relief.
That was a necessary trade and if it hurts the team short term it still helps them way more long term.
Well then don't piss and moan when this team loses 8 games in a row
You can’t have it both ways boys and girls. Either you admit this is a team in transition or you say to yourself the 2011-12 Hawks should be competing for a Cup and losing Campbell has been very bad. I happen to side with the later conclusion. This team is built to WIN NOW. The future is always uncertain. When you have Toews, Kane, Hossa and Keith on your roster all at once then hell yes you pull out all the stops to win the Cup. You don’t know what the future holds. The NHL is a very punishing league in that regard.
If you want to be sobered up? Tell me what is terribly different between Carolina winning the Cup in 2006 and where they are these days versus the situation with the Hawks. Or use Anaheim as the other example. Other than Getzlaff and Perry that is a team in devastation. Could we be saying the same in a year or two “Other than Toews and Hossa that is a team in devastion?”
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Dont forget Bobby Ryan for the Ducks
Im too lazy to make a signature
I think you get my point if you are NHL afficionado
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
I will absolutely admit this team is in transition.
I called them a 2nd tier team to start the year, I thought they would finish in 4th or 5th in the west.
What is different between carolina and the hawks? Quite a bit. What is different between anaheim and the hawks? Hawks seem to have better prospects than anaheim did, they spend to the cap, and their two big d men didn’t retire and get traded to another team.
Maybe the hawks do fall out of the picture for good regardless of the coach but all I know right now is this team is being sorely mismanaged by the coaching staff and I am sick of it.
I will also admit I did think they could win in transition though.
I felt like the hawks were one top 4 d man away from being a contender and they could get a rental top 4 d man.
I don't get this "mis-management" argument
The underlying premise of your argument is that the talent is, collectively, good enough execute what needs to be executed. I disagree with that completely.
I don’t think there is any NHL team that can get away with 3 real defenseman. Not unless you have Patrick Roy in his prime as your goaltender.
Also, some of you refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings of certain players. Kane is having a bad season. An awful season in fact. How that can be disputed is beyond me. Sharp is a floater and not a strong two-way hockey player. It’s about hard cold objective analysis of what you REALLY have with this team. Not what you had in 2009-10, when for example the underrated Andrew Ladd or the 250 pound Dustin Bufyglin were exemplary offensive chess pieces on the LW. That team also had two wonderful quarterbacks from the blue line in Keith and Campbell. That team also had a selfless defenseman in Sopel. That team also had the emergence of a top quality young goaltender in Niemi.
This ain’t 2009-10. That’s all gone. The complements on that team were damned good for that season. They haven’t been REMOTELY replaced.
To start the season I said 5th place in the Western Conference, with 2nd round playoff exit. That’s not terribly different from where this team is right now. Yes, I think they will worm their way to the playoffs. But they ain’t competing for the Cup. Not remotely.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Deja vu?
Yes, I think they will worm their way to the playoffs. But they ain’t competing for the Cup. Not remotely.
Sounds like the conventional opinion of the 2010 Flyers at the time.
More better Blackhawks, please.
That's fair analogy
That said, my head tells me this team won’t get hotter than a firecracker and go on that sort of tear.
Sobering reality is this Hawk team has more deficiencies then most care to admit. I’ve given up on the theory that this group would simply flip a switch and go crazy. This team feasted on an easy schedule. Take a look at our record against teams in the upper half of the league. The divide the season into quarters and see how the Hawks have done. And then for shits and giggles look at Patrick Kane’s lack of performance through that same lens.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
The Flyers had the advantage of two ideal personnel matchups in New Jersey and Montreal. They also had been predicted to go far at the start of the season, because of the Pronger trade. I remember at least one major hockey media outlet had them winning the Cup. Then they had the miserable regular season and coaching change so everyone forgot how good they were supposed to have been. I can’t remember how highly regarded the Hawks were this pre-season.
The team has problems, but goalie performance is a considerable skew. There are a lot of folks who think the range between most goalies is small in the long term, but the short fluctuations high and low can make a team look better or worse than they are.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 12, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
I don't buy for a second that they have 3 real d men.
The blachawks have 3 top 4 d men (sometimes feels like just 2) and 3 bottom 2 d men in the lineup on any given night. That is not at all enough of an excuse to be as bad as they have been.
Andrew ladd was an offensive chess piece? He was a solid, gritty player that I wish they hung onto (and feel they could have) but he was not an offensive key to this team and he saw no pp or pk time at all (probably why stan felt he could trade him).
I think reasons have already been identified why he has mismanaged this team.
Just no
Andrew Ladd was magnificent during the Cup run at digging out the puck, cycling the puck and moving the puck into open ice for floaters like Kane and Sharp to feast.
Dustin Bufyglin got all Dirk Graham-esqe and FINALLY learned how to park his 250 pound ass in front of the net. Doing so created wonderous shooting lanes and off-angle shots for his teammates.
You also overrated the defenders. Keith is a solid defenseman. But his winning the Norris was a one-time event. He isn’t Shea Weber. Seabrook is an above average stay at home d-man who can grind. Hammer is a modestly above average d-man who is committed to doing the shit work. So overall, that’s a good threesome. Not a great threesome. Not a shutdown threesome. And most importantly of all not a threesome that can do it all by itself. This teams needs a real 4th piece to be complete, and Nick Leddy ain’t it.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Ladd barely played with those players, not sure what you are talking about
Byfuglien was better than graham, he was a force in front of the net with great hands and great skating.
I agree about keith but still he sure as hell beats visnovsky. Still though there are 3 top 4 d men on the hawks, that should be enough to win them more games than they have won.
And it is not just where they are at right now, it is how they got there.
How does Q not have them prepared for that game against the oilers, the avs game? Why do they start so poorly against the sharks, the coyotes?
Q has made matters worse with his decisions not better. I think you give him until the end of the year and find somebody else.
I don't really understand your argument either
When you claim the time to win is NOW but you don’t think the current roster is good enough. If the time to win, as you claim, is now, does that not imply the Hawks have all the necessary pieces to win but just aren’t executing?
Your constant talk of the “core” having problems, but all you’re really saying is Kane, and quite frankly, I think you’re the one not viewing it objectively. Sharp is not a strong two-way player like Toews and Hossa, but he’s not a liability either. Kane is having a terrible season below everyone’s expectations, but you don’t seem to recall that he had wrist surgery prior to the start of the season, lost mobility, and got shuffled around from wing to center and back to wing again. To say none of those have had an effect on his current play is just ridiculous and it’s unreasonable not to give him some time to work things out. And so far, in the past few games, Kane has been one of (very) few highlights on the team. He may not be scoring, but he’s doing all the other little things that are expected out of him; it’s not his fault the whole team is sucking hard right now.
I've said for two months this team needed to add primetime d-man
But it’s clear by now that isn’t going to happen.
Kane? I’m tired of defending my position. Fact is he is shadow of what he was in 2009-10. And he is NOT committed to workign both sides the ice. Don’t fall into the trap of seduction that is Kane’s hyper skating moments. It’s the same trap people fall into with Stalberg. You can’t confuse fast darting skating with production. If you could then Jack Skille would be league MVP.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
I have a big problem with this comment.
Kane was the ONLY star last night who put it all out on the line but also remained composed. He has easily been the best of the big 4 in this losing streak. Kane isn’t even all that fast and that certainly is not his best asset? He is nifty with the puck. In fact comparing kane with skille is making me really want to be done with this conversation because I am totally convinced you know nothing about hockey.
by lobster on Feb 12, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If there was a prime D-man available
Would there be any doubt teams wouldn’t be scampering around to nab them? The only team in the league that doesn’t seem to need a good D-man is LA, and quite frankly, they’re having their own damn problems on their side too.
No one said good skating equals production, but Stalberg’s speed has created a lot of chances which people don’t give him credit for. Yes, he has these lapses where I want to bang my head against the wall because his hands don’t match how great his speed is (nor all of his one-ice decisions), but he’s also not paid to be a top-six forward like he’s been used as nor do I think he’s there yet. But given more time, he could develop into one.
I’m not claiming to be a hockey pro, but Kane is out there creating plays and working hard along the boards. Yes, there have been moments where he wasn’t A-plus, but he’s been getting much better defensively. It’s not perfect, but he never sold himself to be an excellent two-way player like Toews. All things considered, he’s still a +9 in this gong show, and whatever “fact” you claim, is nothing more than your own opinion when in fact, Kane has been the only positive during these last few games, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Patrick Kane is not having an "awful" season.
For fucks sake BLou. He’s got 45 points in 55 games and a +10. That’s not that far from his career average.
You spew this shit and none of it’s based in reality. None of it.
The Hawks don't have their hopes pinned to a goalie
Carolina does. Not a team in the NHL that’s won a Cup in the post-lockout era that had a $6M+ net minder.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 12, 2012 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am for bringing back gary suter
But why not just go after ryan suter?
Subliminal mistake
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Ryan would look good...
Weber would look better.
Doubt either will be here though. The Wirtz gene is re-asserting itself and management has been directed to not commit to any long term deals until the new CBA is negotiated.
Last year there was too much change to blame Q
This is the first really bad period for the Hawks under Q in the rest of the 3+ years he’s been head coach. He can’t stop the puck for them. He can’t prevent the opponent’s goaltender from stealing the game. I don’t thinks it’s his fault. Just in a Herculean funk. They’ll snap out of it.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
But that goaltending..............................?????
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
My opinion on why the hawks are in this slup
1. Over shifting Keith Seabrook and Hjammer. Playing 25+ plus minutes everygame in a 82 game season is going to wear you out. That is why Keith hasnt been the player he was in 09-10 since. This team pretty much has 3 d men with Leddy progressing but he has been stuggling too.
2. Depth scoring Bickell has 5 goals on the year Im not sure how many Frolik has maybe 7? Those guys have the potential for 20 goals a year but ther oppurtunites arent going in for them or sometimes playing lazy (Bicks)
3. Injuries Kane hurt his wrist in training camp, Sharpie has missed time Tazer has been banged up and Keith has missed time too. Plus when your a hockey player and your main job is scoring hurting your wrist is like breaking your arm if your a QB, Give it time and Sharp and Kaners wrist will be back to normal.
4. POWER PLAY!!! I am so tired of wathcing Keith and Seabs or who ever just skating back to the zone and center ice getting the loose puck. and no more backdoor passes!
5. Goal tending sure the D has been horrible around Crow and Razor but some of the shots they can stop and our softies.
But if we can figure this out no doubt we will be playing in June,and having a parade down Michigan Ave.
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Can we trade Coach-Q for Rinne and Weber?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 12, 2012 11:45 AM CST reply actions
No, but I'll trade you Trotz for him....how's that?
We’ve hit a lackluster streak lately too. Good thing y’all are coming to town Tuesday so we can get a free victory.
Couldn’t resist.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 12, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going with Goaltending as the root cause of their problems
This team has not been right since Crawford gave up that 100 ft. goal against Nashville. I don’t think there was a lot of confidence in the goalies before that but since that goal it seems to me that the Hawks freeze up after the other team scores their first goal. What this team needs is a goalie win to get their confidence back.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
Here's the thing...
Corey Crawford is a journeyman. Not a shutdown goalie. And not a goalie who can stand on his head to the point of carrying a team for several games.
For him to be successful a team needs to play disciplined, defensive oriented hockey with minimal mistakes and cough-ups. That’s NOT the Hawks ladies and gentlemen. This Hawk team will NEVER be confused for what they try to do in Nashville and St. Louis.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
You cannot play
disciplined, defensive oriented hockey without help from your goalie. Bad goaltending leads to bad defense and vice-versa. Right now this team has no confidence in their goaltending. They need a performance from Crawford or Emery that they can look back at and say that without him we wouldn’t have won the game. This hasn’t happened in quite some time.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
It is MANY issues
One issue does not look like BBQ’d Dog Shit for 8 straight games in the NHL. Goaltending is a BIG one, but far from the only one.
The Hawks defense is abysmal from all 6 players on the ice. Goalies being out of position, D-Men not keeping the crease area clean, rebounds up the ass (and onto opposing sticks) FWDS not keeping the pressure to the outside or breaking off too soon for a possible break away leaving the zone and mainly slot open. The lack of consistent FWD pressure is causing the D-Men (like Leddy) over extend their play which in turn is opening up prime ice in front or around of Crow/Emery.
On special teams the Defense is even worse, I don’t even know what type of fucking system they are attempting to play, an expanding-rotating-contracting-man-zone coverage box that does not collapse maybe? On the PP side, it is all too much cuteness, looking for the prime shot, not getting the puck at net. They are waiting for a lane and/or traffic to shoot, or the cross ice one-timer (which teams are planning on and playing AGAINST allowing) instead of get the puck in and low and crash with 3-4 bodies and cover the point(s).
But, the single BIGGEST issue right now is not the D-Fense, not the Goalies, not the Forwards and not the special teams. It is TEAM CHEMISTRY. All I see is 6 players doing their own thing right now, trying to be the hero and not the goat, I do not see 6 players working together in pursuit of two goals. 1-Score on the opponent 2-Don’t let them score on you. Until they get back working and TRUSTING each other at all times and work together as they should to pursue those two goals, nothing will get better, no matter who is in net or on the ice. They will win a few here and there, but NOT be a team (since they aren’t playing like one) to be taken serious.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 12, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I agree about the team chemistry
and I think that and their confidence went to complete shit in that Nashville game. They have many flaws that need to be addressed.I think a couple of decent games from the goalies would help them to turn things around.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
I'll try to analogize this for simplicity ....
A hockey team without average to great goaltending is like a football team without average to great quarterbacking. Those positions are just that critical to success.
Sure, the argument can be made that the Brad Johnson’s and Trent Dilfer’s of the world have won Super Bowls, as well as, the Antti Niemi’s and Chris Osgood’s have won Stanley Cups; but in the same breath I ask “how often does that happen?”.
Just look how Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady masked horrible defences all year or how Carey Price and Mikka Kiprusoff have the Canadiens and Flames within playoff contention with a laughable supporting cast. The NYRangers are first overall because of Lundqvist. If the Blackhawks had King Henrick they wouldn’t be in the predicament they are now as he can steal one for you when the team is slumping. Same with Thomas, Howard, Luongo, Rinne, and Fleury.
It’s time to pony up and get at least a top flight netminder and balance the team from there. Build from the net out just like you build an NFL offence from the QB out.
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Agree. And don't forget Osgood was on fire in 2008
.930 Sv% (2nd) and a 1.86 GAA (1st) during the playoff run. When they won in 2002, Hasek was in the net (.920, 2.04).
The idea that Detroit has won Cups with average goaltending is simply an urban legend. They haven’t. Fleury and Niemi were the only two goalies to win a Cup in the past 10 years who had a Sv% below .920.
Goaltending, now just as in the past, wins Cups. (and yeah, yeah, a very good team obviously matters, but there are quite a few very good teams in any given year.)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I would agree with the 0.920 stat and how rare it is,
But I do not agree on the presumption the goaltender is in full and complete control of where that number is, as this suggests. I honestly believe TT and Lundqvist would do better then Cory or Ray, but they would not have nearly the numbers playing behind the Hawks as they do in BOS and NYR.
IMHFO, SV% and GAA are NOT stats a goalie has total control over, they are also dependent and sympathetic to the defense in front of them. So with that 0.920 SV% stat, I see that is at least average to above Goaltendeing AND average to above Defense, and NOT simply a great goalie.
Don’t get me wrong, having TT or HL on the Hawks would make things better over the current cast, but I would not expect their numbers to anywhere near what they are now, because of the way the Hawks play in front of them.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 12, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Lundqvist or Thomas might not have the same numbers playing for the Hawks they do at their current clubs,
however I’m not so sure they would be as far off as you believe. They don’t have complete control over SV% and GAA, correct, however it’s more than that. If we had HL or TT, then I think the team would play better, knowing that one mistake is not going to cost them a goal. Think about Hall’s goal, or the Nashville goal (Legwand?) from center ice. Or when Stalberg turned the puck over and that led to a goal.
Knowing you have a goalie that can bail you out if you make a mistake means that the team doesn’t need to skate on eggshells trying to prevent mistakes, rather than score. Think about what somebody like Kane might be thinking. He might think that he cannot turn the puck over, because we might be a little out of position, and then the other team scores. I’m not sure if he actually thinks about it or not, but it is very possible this might be stifling his, and the team’s, ability to score.
And same thing on defense, Keith, Seabs, and the others think that if they make a mistake, the other team scores. And who knows what’s going through Crawford’s head. Oh, not to mention, for non-core players, all of that pressure is on you already not to screw up or else the other team scores, but you’ll also get benched by Q!
So a goalie’s stats aren’t exclusively on the goaltender, however I think they have a much larger impact than just the stats. They also affect how the team plays around him. With confidence, or with trepidation and doubt.
How hard can it be?
This part makes my original point
however it’s more than that. If we had HL or TT, then I think the team would play better, knowing that one mistake is not going to cost them a goal.
But, the single BIGGEST issue right now is not the D-Fense, not the Goalies, not the Forwards and not the special teams. It is TEAM CHEMISTRY.
The lack of confidence in Crow is part of that team chemistry. I also agree the Hawks would probably play better in front of TT and HL. My point was and is, if TT and HL played behind the current Hawks D the way it is currently playing, they would also not have the stellar numbers they do now.
This is a team issue, the D does not have the confidence in the goalies to make the saves AND the goalies do not have the confidence in the D-men to prevent those WTF scoring chances. The chemistry here is all gone now, it is now every man for himself. As long as it is like that not even TT and HL can have great success in that type of play.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 12, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Are you the same guy
Who posted this junk on twitter to sch and Tracey Myers? Some guy was posting that to all the beats. If one flukey goal is all it took to mess this team up then we were screwed in the first place.
by BodomSlayer on Feb 12, 2012 2:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No I don't Twitter
and obviously it isn’t just one thing that has lead to their current play. I was just saying that they have not been right since that goal. While there are multiple things wrong with this team, imo their goaltending has been the weak link. It gets to a point where you just go “wtf again?”. To me that goal in Nashville was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
So what DO you do...
Well, I think you start pointing to 2012-13 at some point in the next 3 weeks. That means full-scale audition of Jimmy Hayes and Dylan Olsen. If we can’t acquire a top 4 defenseman, then we’d best start seeing if we have in-house option that can evolve to that sort of role in Olsen.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Kane and Hossa
I know it’s illegal to criticize Kane – but quite frankly when your team hit stretches like this, your best players have to be the guys to step up. Kane has been miserable the last few months and it’s totally unacceptable that Q and Bowman get all this heat but somehow he (and Hossa lately) just get away scot free. We NEED Kaner to start producing – especially on the Power Play if this team is going to turn it around and make a push to at least try and get home ice for the playoffs.
Before somebody makes a lame ass, over-used ‘lazy, trade him’ joke, this isn’t a call for him to be shipped out – but it is time to acknowledge that he has been a major fucking let down this season and that the Hawks are suffering because of it.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
So you think that if Kane went on a scoring fury
All of the defensive problems will go away? I don’t think it’s an unfair statement to say Kane’s not having a great year, but he’s not the biggest let down of this season. If you want to see let down, take a look at the other conference and see Scott Gomez.
Hossa hasn’t been on his A-game lately, but to be fair, who has? Is there really anyone that’s been stepping it up and getting shit done? Everyone is collapsing in their own zone, and to be fair, THAT needs to be addressed more than the fact that Kane has been doing everything these past few games except for score. And quite frankly, to blame the PPs lack of production all on Kane is giving him too much credit. It takes more than one person to fuck up a PP, and he’s always a pass-first kind of player. People complain about him not taking more shots, but with his vision, if he saw a lane to shoot, do you really think he wouldn’t?
The player that will stop this slump
and make the team get their head out of their asses will be Toews. Now is when great players are defined when their team needs them most and right now we need Toews to be the leader that will make other players follow his example.
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I think a PP with Kane and Hossa scoring would go a long way in mitigating some of our defensive problems.
Since the Buffalo game the Blackhawks have scored 20 goals. That’s 2 goals per game. The defensive problems are obvious – what’s being ignored is the offense, which is slowly declining. It’s just less obvious than the defense and potentially a bigger problem. The Hawks were winning games they probably shouldn’t have earlier in the year because they were putting pucks in the net at a torrid pace. Now that the goals have gone away, they are starting to drop those games.
I don’t think our defensive problems are going away until Stan makes a move. There literally aren’t any good combo’s Q can throw together after 2-7. So right now, addressing the PP should be a major concern for the Hawks….IMO.
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by HjammerTime on Feb 12, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Actaully it's 18 goals in 9 games. My bad. Point still stands.
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by HjammerTime on Feb 12, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Ok longshot here
what if we traded for Jay Boumeester, The trade would look like this: Morin Stalberg Frolik and 1st round pick for Bouwmeester 2nd and 3rd round pick.
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I have no idea if this is serious or not.
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by HjammerTime on Feb 12, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
No im dead serious
i think he would be a great fit the lines would be
Keith Seabrook
Hjammer Bouwmeester
Leddy Montador/Olsen
Bouwmeester would be like a younger Brian Campell.
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seems like we're stacking the D
until Q can’t make a poor choice
No on the 1st round rounder
The way the Hawks have been playing it might turn out to a lottery pick
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
No on trading our entire bottom 6th depth for a Defenseman who sort of sucks.
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by HjammerTime on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree with that
But their whole PP set-up creates no opportunities for anyone. All they can do is cycle the puck and watch it trickle off their stick because no one can get a shot it. They should watch some other team’s successful PP’s and learn from them or something because it’s beyond sad watching it.
If their D was tighter and better, it would put less pressure on the forwards to feel like the HAVE to score more than 3 goals a night and that would reduce the number of chances they would take, which would then result in less defensive breakdowns (so an endless cycle). It all comes back to the goaltending. If they were confident in their goaltender, it would make the people in front play more confidently since they won’t be worried about every little mistake ending up in the back of the net. I’m not blaming Crawford or Emery, but Crawford has been less than stellar on some nights and nothing kills the momentum more than a softie; a big save once in a while could go a long way in boosting the team’s moral. Vice versa can be said about the players in front; if the goaltenders didn’t feel like they couldn’t afford to make any mistakes because the team in front of them can’t score worth shit (see LA), then it would put them more at ease and they could play better.
In short, all around effort needs to be better. Not just any one person or player. The whole TEAM needs to be better.
Top-4 dman wouldn’t hurt. But I don’t want them to settle either and I don’t see anyone good being available. Visnovsky wouldn’t be bad if the Ducks are letting him ago, someone more reasonable than Weber or Sutter, but who knows what the price will be.
I don't think Visnovsky is the answer because he doesn't improve the PK all that much.
Sure he can skate it out – but any dman the Hawks get has to contribute on the PK
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by HjammerTime on Feb 12, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
He would inject life into the stagnant PP though
Which could help in the long run. The biggest thing I have with the PK (these last few games anyways and especially against the Sharks) is Leddy. He just seems so lost on the play, and half the time, it’s pretty much a 5 on 3; I would even rather Scott be out there because I feel like he could at least block some shots or get in the way of the players. They should give the kid a break and take him off the PK and try Montador.
question
if if a player pretty consistently sets up great plays and other players don’t finish them, who’s as fault? i’m seriously asking.
Also there’s a good chance the reason kane isn’t scoring or shooting as much is due to his wrist, just saying.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'll give you that Stalberg whiffed on a beautiful setup from Kaner last night.
But to say this is happening “consistently” doesn’t ring true to me – at least as far as this recent skid goes.
As Raymond Stantz said – “This isn’t a government job, its the private sector – they expect results.”
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by HjammerTime on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
i wasn't just talking last night, i didn't think you were either.
what i did see last night and in the past few games was that he was one of the few players with jump in his step in this disaster of a road trip. my overall point is that if his wrist is what is holding him back from shooting/scoring, which is something he can’t just force to be fixed, then how is people not finishing the plays he sets up his fault?
but whatever, we disagree, we’re not going to agree, there’s not much point in going on and on with this.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
I thought he had jump in Colorado. I didn't really notice him at all last night with the exception of that Stalberg set up.
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like i said, we disagree. because who i didn't and haven't noticed past few games is hossa.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
and i see him getting a pass more then kane.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
the gist of your comment was about kane, i'm just at this juncture i personally would have reversed it
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Let's not forget Kane whiffing on a point blank shot
Right in front of Smith. Stals whiffing I can see. His hands are nowhere near Kane’s. But Kaner should have that.
They were so frustrated late in the game. They were trying too hard.
On one play right in front of the camera, Toews faked a slap shot ( I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen him take a slap shot). He moved 2 feet and……………took a slap shot. The 3rd period was sad…..and humorous. They’ll be back. Soon.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
yes but his wrist is farked up obviously
and the fact he never uses it as an excuse means it’s hurt worse than he lets on.
Sharp, Toews, and Kane all probably have
Farked up wrist syndrome…
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Fair enough
But how come there is no criticism of Toews?
During the losing streak:
Toews – 0 goals, 2 assists, -3
Kane – 1 goal, 3 assists, -2
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by LanceFister3 on Feb 12, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Because apparently that's taboo around here
I’m the first to admit I’m Kane-biased, but he HAS been the better Hawks player the last little while, yet still gets the bulk of the criticism.
I really hate the whole “Toews is the hard-working captain that can do no wrong” and “Kane is the lazy git who can’t do anything for the team and should be traded.” They’re BOTH important to the team. Kane shouldn’t be the only one taking all the blame for this skid.
do you actually read the site
Toews gets his share when warranted – and where on earth do you get that Kane meme from? Puck Daddy? Jeebus.
I'm talking about the comments around here
The bulk of the criticism goes against Kane, warranted or not. I’m not saying everyone’s like that but when things go bad, it seems to go that way.
I disagree entirely.
Kane is sheltered and protected – sometimes with justification (by me).
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this is just going to go in circles
because i disagree with your disagreement and think other players are far more protected, sometimes without justification.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
It goes both ways I think
If there wasn’t so much overboard (sometimes just, sometimes not) criticism against him, there wouldn’t be people jumping in to defend him.
I’m not going to say he doesn’t deserve some criticism, but not to some of the extremes people put it, like he’s the biggest disappointment of the organization and whatnot. I’m also not going to deny I’m sensitive to criticism against him because a lot of times I feel like he doesn’t get enough credit for his hard work and his “reputation” paints him in a bad light.
That’s just my opinion though.
IMHO, When people say "Trade Kane, he's lazy" - they mean what they say 0.0% of the time.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
They're usually yelling that phrase into the Sar Chasm
which has a lot of echo. It’s uncanny, really.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Kaner is a Lazy piece of shit
All he can do is shoot, pass, skate with speed, play the boards well and strip guys of the puck. Which is all well and Fucking dandy, but he doesn’t fight or hit or take cheap shots, he does NOTHING on the PK (which is obviously why the PK sucks so much) and he only what 2 goals in the last 20 games (that is actually depressing).
If he gave a shit, the PK would be stellar Cory would have a 0.997 SV% and a 0.12 GAA, the PP would be 99.9999999999999999999999% and the PK would have a net +2345 goals by now. But do you see any of those numbers? The answer is NO, therefore it must be KAner’s fault, and the why is because he is Lazy!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 12, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and a Dope Fiend.
Never forget that.
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
.997 SV and .12 GAA
Man, even when Kaner gives a shit, we’re allowing 40 SOG per game. Too bad he’s not giving 2 shits. TRACE HIM!!!
by tgo909 on Feb 12, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A lot of times yes
But I’ve also seen comments from people that do mean it.
I’m not the most perceptive person, but also not so blind as to not recognize sarcasm.
do you?
you say when its warranted but when is that – very rarely around here. Also the Kane meme – also from here, sometimes its joking and often its not especially lately.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
That's because Kane has had a disappointing season
Toews goes missing a few games? I can cut him some slack.
of course you can
and the start of the season of course means nothing right because that’s not now, but is that really fair? not in my opinion.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
I never said one is more important than the other
If Kane was doing as well in this part of the season as Toews has been all season excluding the last 4 games, I could understand the argument. But Kane has been a let-down. It may be the lingering effects of the wrist injury, I get that, but he has been a disappointment.
My point was Toews, as usual, started off the season slow (its not just the past 4 games)
Kane + Hossa were carrying the team at that point. He gets cut slack for starting off slow because he’s always like that, and now when he’s been off the past bunch of games. Its the exact opposite situation for Kane, but he gets no slack. Its frustrating for me, he’s 11 points out of being a ppg player, and while of course i want him to improve, i think disappointing is a little dramatic. Just my opinion. We’re not going to agree. That’s fine.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
yup. also consider this:
Toews and Kane, while being the ‘Faces Of The Franchise’ are two very different players.. Toews is Captain for a reason: as he goes, so does the team (and if they’re not, he’ll drag them there).. Kane is more of an ‘Individual’ type.. and I truly believe that he will end up being regarded as a ‘provider’ rather than a scorer.. as he matures I see him turning into a Hossa-Like player (not the two-way thing, more the ‘anybody who plays with him benefits’ thing).. and, as JFK says, he’s not far removed from a PPG season.. and still demands massive coverage from the opposition.. if only he wasn’t a lazy, drunken, crackhead with a life-expectancy less than a goldfish, mebbe we cud trade him forr dat Brughligyiouwnen guy..
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Can't win if you can't score.
Just came back from vacation and I see the Hawks were also on one. Shut out again? wouldn’t that be nice to get one of those? Not a hope in hell with this team. Built to score and give away defence.
It’s a good plan if you can score!
Time to shake things up and not by trading Morrison or Smith, maybe Q has to go? We need something to send a message and improve this team or we will not make the playoffs. I saw this coming months ago and all the rose colored glasses on this site kept saying just a little slump! LOL
Thunder Bay Hawk Fan!
Well considering months ago
We were at the top of the conference…
I guess everyone is coming out on their soapbox now.
by BodomSlayer on Feb 12, 2012 3:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
more like bone-head
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I said in the summer that you guys were going through a mini rebuild
And was laughed off the board but if you look at it from that perspective things aren’t quite so bleak. Few teams can stockpile picks and prospects and remain competitive but that’s exactly what bouwman is doing.
Him too
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by Canuckelhead on Feb 12, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
laughed off you say?
I seem to recall much discussion along those lines.
My fear of firing Q
we could get someone far worse.
"There are rough players and there are dirty players. I'm rough and dirty."
by YouFeelShame II on Feb 12, 2012 1:28 PM CST reply actions
yeah!
he could put people in the lineup and not use them! or randomly demote players in the middle of a losing streak. Or trot out a goaltender having an epic struggle stopping pucks regardless of situation….
or think
Scott is a starter
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by YouFeelShame II on Feb 12, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
who would be worse
maybe Todd Haley, but he’s a football coach.
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by OMFS88 on Feb 12, 2012 2:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Maybe this year will be better than the last?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Interview with Q
on Chicago Tribune. I don’t want to quote everything, but there were some “interesting” things there. For one:
I like our goaltending. (Corey) Crawford last year had a special year. This year, his sophomore year, he hasn’t been as consistent or at that level but he has played some strong games for us. His goaltending hasn’t been the problem.
and another about Scott.
Some games whether he plays a lot or not there’s still some influence. Like the Vancouver game (Jan. 31), I thought there was a presence in that game that he provided. He’s a big guy who has different attributes that sometimes people might judge him differently. I still don’t mind the way he’s progressing and tries to work at it and keeps himself part of it and ready to help.
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i read that article.
I didn’t like the responses. or the questions. or anything about it. The best interviews are the games, and they haven’t gone so well.
If we meet on the streets someday, and I don't know what to say...
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
i didnt' like most of the responses myself
like his comment about Keith:
Hopefully, we’re not compromising his effectiveness in either area by playing him a lot. You need him in critical situations.
HOPEFULLY? I get that he won’t be totally honest but some of his responses were just vague, silly, etc.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
why am i responding to myself
was supposed to be to oregon_hawk
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
triple-super-reflexive-laaarmer?
or something of that ilk?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
i'll just keep going
i get not throwing your players under the bus or anything, but he’s nuts if he can say goaltending isn’t an issue with a straight face
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
awesome quotes there
“He’s a big guy who has different attributes that sometimes people might judge him differently.”
Yeah, he can’t skate, can’t handle the puck and takes dumbass penalties, so which different attributes can he be thinking of?
“I still don’t mind the way he’s progressing and tries to work at it and keeps himself part of it and ready to help.”
Once again with this inane Boy Scout crap – so if anyone just off the street is willing to work hard at his craft even though they suck, welcome aboard!
compare that to what he says about lepisto
He has done what he can do. Hopefully he gets playing again and he plays well and he’s in the lineup.
Hopefully? Q’s the one in charge of that. And to my untrained eyes he’s really done nothing to warrant the way Q has treated him. I like Scott and am glad he’s working hard, but he’s been rewarded far to frequently for that imo.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
and, of course there's always this..
We’ll likely be looking at a ten-game slump by the time we roll into Columbus.. even the most optimistic would have had Preds/Rangers down as the toughest games on this road trip.. ye gods.
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
the rangers game is going to be a gong show
for whom, though, remains yet to be seen.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
yeah i was hoping we'd have more of a chance there
but even if the rangers forwards are sucking it up, won’t make too much of a difference if lundqvuist is in net
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
but i guess you never know what can happen
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
that game might be over the mid - point of the 1st
that team will beat their asses into the ground if they don’t play up to at least a semblance of their potential.
Columbus have seemed to be the Hawk's slump-busters all year though.
as long as the two before that aren’t completely embarrassing, I’ll hold out on totally panicking until then. If they lose those and lose to Columbus, fire everyone, trade a core player for a good goalie, trade Saad and picks for a D-man, whatever.
If they can't score some mad goals there
I don’t really know what else to say. Does Mason have a shut-out this season?
what good goalie is there, and for what price.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying those are the things that need to or will happen,
I’m just saying that a few major changes need to be made, and those are just some examples.
oh i agree something has to happen, just not sure a goalie is a realistic option
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
There are a few backups that are better than any of our goalies, and I'm sure some would be available for a core player..
We’d have to over-pay, and it’s totally a panic move, but it’s something I could see happening if the Hawks lose the next three.
I really don’t want that to happen because we’d basically betting our future for that guy, but 11 losses in a row with the last one being against the worst team in the NHL means heads gotta roll.
imo its a panic move that i'm not keen on making
losing a huge part of the team for a backup goalie who may or may not help us? doesn’t seem worth it.
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said, it's a total panic move that I don't want to see happen.
In fact, I’d like to see Salak and Huet get a chance before that happens, but like I also said, worse team in the NHL, 11th straight loss with a probably 12th coming because the Blues are up next? It wouldn’t surprise me to see some crazy lopsided trades in the name of shaking things up.
This is how I feel about the Hawks right now...
The Hawks are the panda, the playpen is the giant hole they created for themselves, and the crazy lab lady is pretty much every other team in the league.
by ~big_T on Feb 12, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
when what you want is this
in which the groceries are the rest of the NHL
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 12, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
reckon Uncle Dale would,,, naaaah.
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
:(
Love Flash, hate his lungs. If not for his pulmonary emboli last year, he still would have been with us, tearing it up with Matt Duchene. Unfortunately, altitude isn’t good for his condition.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs and writes for Mile High Hockey.
he's injured now still, and not sure when he'll be back
would any team really chance that?
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by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Both players are injured - I was being sarcastic. - But with Dale, you never know
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Guess.who.finally.got.a.keyboard.with.a.working.spacebar?
T h i s G u y
I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down
by AngryGiant on Feb 12, 2012 4:44 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
aw.
I miss the ‘Old You’..
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
I can always unplug the usb keyboard
it’s only a matter of time before it gets pissed on by the cat
I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down
Where the fuck did you get that cat?
Detroit?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
On a farm not too far from St. Louis
kinda makes sense now.
I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down
AngryGiants cat...
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
AngryGiant's WIFE's cat
I have a FEVER and the only prescription is MOAR DAGGER!
The Enemy's Gate is Down
Pussy Simonon?
All this time and I thought his first name was Paul.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
thought you'd like it!
I’m this close to having this as my profile pic..
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Great job
and I think it should be your new pic
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
oh, it's not mine.. way too pro for that!
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 13, 2012 2:36 AM CST up reply actions
Hilarious
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
we could electrify that keyboard
Just don’t spill anything on it yourself, give that cat something to think about
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 6:54 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
When I see Vrbata and Aucoin doing so well...
I harken back to the good old days in 2006-2007…
I’ve got spilgus – Talk amongst yourselves…
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
If the blues weren't already stacked and playing well..
macdonald’s coming back tonight after missing 51 games…
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 5:32 PM CST reply actions
fuck nevermind
i dumbass sometime
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
uhm..double fail
i was initially right…don’t mind me..
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
C'mon I don't care who is Coaching or G.M.ing
this team will be busting out of this slump….and it’s gonna be horrific. Way too much talent.
Ver™
...
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Is that Andrew Shaw?
Im too lazy to make a signature
ha!
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
newbe
some funny stuff on here.Love the HAWKS long time
welcome...
have you had all your vaccinations?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
ya
might need to get them updated for this group
by Old Duffel bag on Feb 12, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Welcome back my friends,
To the show that never ends
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 12, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
bowman
do you ever blame bowman for anything? a GM with what experience ? his daddy? this website has been the best in my eyes for blackhawk fans but giving stan the easy way out every single time is getting old. the guy scouts talent like a blind man in an orgy….you can’t just feel around and hope your grabbing something great.
i guess the glory of having the NHL network is i can see dale tallons team…..the panthers, in a city who dosnt have much passion for a cold sport, where i paid 140 dollars for glass seats next to the bench continue on with a battle for first place in a division that is decent and at times has potential to be amazing. along with battling with boston, ny and the flyers in a conference that is clearly better.
in the end i still love you guys.
scouts talent like a blind man at an orgy?
his draft picks have been excellent, and in case you don’t remember, there wasn’t much to choose from in the off season.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
i completely disagree with the notion that the
East is clearly better than the West.
I think its pretty fair to say that the central division is the toughest in the NHL right now, and that the West is incredibly tough this year. The central has 3 teams with 70+ points, more than the entire Eastern Conference.
SCH moderator.
and before you spew dale tallon love (not that I dont have some myself)
FLA is a division leader yes, but with 63 points. They have the luxury of playing in a weak division (no other team is in the Easts playoff picture at the moment) and are far from running away with it
SCH moderator.
and have an underwhelming record of
7-8-5 against playoff contenders…
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
is this bro serious???
Blues fan here but we all need to come together on this… the West is BY FAR the best conference. PERIOD.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
West is by far the best
But the west teams beat the hell out of each other in the playoffs,then the east cruz in and scoop up the Cup.Was glad though that the nucks fell flat on there face at home and lit the town on fire
HAWKS PP makes me cringe
Why do they not put Kane Toews and Sharp up front with a set of dman on the back end. I have noticed Kane Toews and Sharp get thrown together once in a while and still make some magic
an oft discussed point here
where we seek answers we find reasons to drink
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
I think the first person fired should be McDonough
He fired the builder of the Cup team and hired Bowman, and he may have hired Q.
I really, really don't understand this 'McDonough Hate' thing..
I’ve seen it in several places (most notably the comments on Jackass’s blog).. isn’t his job purely ‘Franchise’ based? You know, bums on seats in the UC, sponsorship deals, TV coverage? Which a consistently sold-out UC and an all-time high profile for Chicago Hockey would seem to validate?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
yea
people just like working their way up the foodchain
its always someone elses fault, usually the pecker swinging above them.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
No - he obviously has gotten involved on the hockey side
I have no respect for managers who fire productive individuals for petty reasons.
by maxachium27 on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
A supremely important offseason awaits
Stan Bowman has critical strategic decisions to make. The thing is he seems overly conservative and in love with organizational assets at the expense of maknig bold move.
Dale Tallon didn’t know how to operate a calculator, but at least he never lived in denial on what this team needed to get from point A to point B. He pulled the trigger on deal after deal.
The Hawks need to think outside of the box. Otherwise I fear that we become the next Anaheim in the Western Conference. And that what utterly suck. THe downfall of the Ducks is direct result of Bob Murray living in denial and being too in love with organizational assets. That is a one line team with a great goaltender and literally little else. Hawks aren’t there far off from a similar nightmare scenario. It’s crossroads time baby. Stan needs to act like a big boy General Manager and begin real general managing.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
We know, we know
Gloom, doom, body blows, feasting, and all that. But why are you even worrying about Stan’s offseason acquisitions for next season when we haven’t even hit the trade deadline for this season?
Plus, after the trade deadline and some more games, I’ve heard there’s some sort of pageant or something that the top 16 teams are invited to (Hawks are one of those top 16, by the way). I’m gonna focus on that before I start worrying about the postseason.
by tgo909 on Feb 12, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
is ea
gach focail a duirt tusa chomh broim as an dreolin…
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Is this by any chance Gaelic for
“pound sand up your ass”?
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Something along the lines of
Every word you said is “something” havent figured that out yet
SCH moderator.
I think a lot of gm's go through that.
Not sure bob murray is one of them. Not only was he not there when they won but he really hasn’t clung to any pieces that helped him win a cup that he shouldn’t have.
The only player he showed loyalty to that maybe he shouldn’t have was neidermeyer. That led to the pronger trade in which murray did not get anywhere near the return he should have, then eventually neidermeyer retired and their back end has been totally dismantled from what it was.
the blue nuts have had 3 5-3's in game against SJ
Score 0-2 nuts
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 7:33 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
the concussion was just speculation from the beats
otherwise just UBI
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
flu that turned into a UBI
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
it's a sign of end times
run away!
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 12, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe this will be like a reverse Buffalo situation for him….Hjammer hulks out!
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
fuck them both?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 12, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Remember the Roar?
Those were the good old days.
Remember the Roar?
Those were the good old days.
sorry for the double post
just woke up from a nap ….. crabby and blurry eyed.
by vitoduhawk84 on Feb 12, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Think the sha-arks pp caught whatever disease
The hawks have, had 2 shots on 3 pp, 4 shots on 4 pp now
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 8:21 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
That disease is called
expecting every pk to be as bad as the hawks pk syndrome.
you are watching I take it
How bad would hawks look playing the blues right now, depressing
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 8:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
oh god
and they have to play them 4 times in the same amount of weeks
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
if hawks aren't playing better by then
I’d rather not think about it
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 8:35 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I feel like George Bailey in It's a Wonderful Life
except instead of asking God to let me live again, I’m asking to let the Hawks Win again.
by vitoduhawk84 on Feb 12, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
keep listening for a bell ringing
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 8:47 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Everytime a bell rings, the Centers get new wings?
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
by Joe Banks on Feb 12, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
maybe it means crow will be a goalie again
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 8:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
interesting story.
I’m sitting in my appartment on campus reading this with the window open a crack… and the bell tower goes off. good times are coming… I can feel it
SCH moderator.
Good karma!!! awesome
The word campus brings back some good memories, let’s hope you are right
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 10:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
You know times are tough
when my first thought is to ask “Do you go to school in Austin?”
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
shit a cryin illini
Former boiler, boilers suck and hawks well u know
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 10:22 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I knew I got that wrong after I posted
I’ll blame old age, here’s to hoping the bells mean good tidings for the hawks
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 10:25 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Oh ISU,
Most memorable ISU memory: I was there over Halloween weekend, fire alarm went off and I was stuck outside for hours in the middle of the night…still a fun weekend though.
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 12, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
woosh
Is the sound of that comment going right over your head
It's on, bitches.
Tweeping as @ehirtens
I was excited for next Sunday's game against them
Now I dread it.
by vitoduhawk84 on Feb 12, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
And what did the Blues have to do to turn their team around???
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
rehire savard
and commit to the indian.
as much as you guys hate carcillo, that little firecracker brought energy every night. we have suffered greatly since his demise.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 12, 2012 8:50 PM CST reply actions
i didnt hate carcillo
but claiming he had that big of an impact on this team is a bit far.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
they started this huge plunge right after he went down.
up until that hit, i believe they were the best team in the league.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 12, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
so add what, two more losses to this?
just a not so fun fact
the hawks are 5-8-3 since the carcillo game.
pre-carcillo suspension: 24-10-3 (doesn’t include games suspended which may erase the first couple of games for the season IIRC)
not sure if my math is 100% since i am extremely sleepy but you get the picture. i know the guy was a force (sometimes reckless) but damn…
skeletons don’t like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 8, 2012 5:13 PM CST reply actions
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 12, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
might have more to do with our schedule
Getting tougher bout the same time and really if carello’s absence is the cause of hawks issues now, we weren’t that good to start with
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 9:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
it really is a moot point
he’ll be dead soon anyways
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 12, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
not til 40 so he's got some time
Wonder what his bucket list is like
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 9:16 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
he only played 28 games
and averaged 11 minutes TOI.
i think your fooling yourself.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
only thing they might really be missing from him his locker room stuff
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
it could be the tougher schedule too
but c’mon something happened. this is NOT the same team.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 12, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
if anyone here had the right answer
They would be coaching a team somewhere or making serious cash doing something
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 9:32 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
lol, what comes to mind with all of us
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
heh
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 12, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he set the tempo, good or bad.
impressive for a guy who didn’t see that much ice time. you can’t deny this team had a different attitude with him around.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 12, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
I think you're overstating it
Our attitude has nothing to do with why we’re losing. Bad defense, piss poor goaltending, and miserable coaching has more to do with our little losing streak than Dan Carcillo.
I mean honestly. A team with Sharp, Keith, Hossa, Bolland, Seabrook, Kane, and Toews, falls apart when Daniel freaking Carcillo is out of the lineup?
Think about what you’re saying man!! think fo the children! For the snobby rich people sitting between the benches at home! The firefighters. The bus boys. The humanity!!
i think you are overstating my overstating of it
i also said since “the hit”. numbers don’t lie. since that fucking game vs. the oilers, the hawks have been in a nose dive.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 12, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Annnd that's not true either.
The last game Carcillo played in was on Jan 3rd. The Hawks played in 13 games in Jan. and collected points in 7 games. They had a stretch of 6 games from Jan 10th to Jan 20 and they won 5 and had an overtime loss. The notion that they’ve been in a “nose-dive” since he went out, is once again, contradicted by reality. Do you not have access to their schedule?
OR by nose-dive since that game, do you mean, take out the 6 game point streak that they went on two weeks after he went down…?
This losing streak has nothing to do with Dan Carcillo not being in the line-up. Not one damn thing.
Maybe they didn't notice he was missing at first
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 12, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
you can't read.
hard to argue with people who can’t read.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 12, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
LOL OK. So what exactly did you mean when you said this:
since that fucking game vs. the oilers, the hawks have been in a nose dive.
Help me out. It looks like you’re saying that the Hawks have been in a nose dive since that fucking game against the Oilers where Carcillo injured his knee. And if you are, you’re wrong. Unless you want to take out the 6 game point streak they went on, after he went down.
Help me out, triples. Is that not what you wrote?
Yea well it's obvious you can't/won't/don't read.
The logic is all clearly laid out there.
Sheesh :-P
by BodomSlayer on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
i will cherry pick stats
when they benefit my argument. comprende?
here is a link for you which i’m sure you’ve already glanced at.
the last game they played with carello was on january 2nd. including that game they lost 4 in a row with 1 OT loss.
lose 4, get points in 6, then lose 8. not sure what fairy-tale reality you live in, but losing twice as many games as you’ve gotten points in is a fucking nose dive.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2012 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
This is a lazy arguement
They lost four in a row (three without points). After losing the first three they then recorded points in the next six before this abomination of a losing streak began. That means they recorded 12 points after losing those first three games without Carcillo. If it weren’t for some silly funk they were in now your point would hold even less true.
Give it up.
Ha
This guy is a joke.
I’ll hang up and listen.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Feb 13, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
heh
says the troll who just joined.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a Note fan...
and did just join here in the last couple days. But that doesn’t mean you have any idea what you are talking about. Like the above posters have noted, the demise of the Hawks has absolutely no correlation to when Carcillo went out.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
oh it does have correlation
just not causation.
i’m done responding to you. joining a new blog and your 3rd post is calling a poster “a joke” is trollish behavior if i’ve ever seen it.
learn the lay of the land before you spew out opinions in the hopes of inciting a negative response.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever.
I agree with a lot of what is said over here on this blog. But saying Carcillo is a key member of the Hawks is, well, dumb. With all the talent on that team, Carcillo missing should not be an issue. Guys like him are a dime a dozen. If hustle/effort guys are the key to winning in the NHL, the Blues would have won the last six Stanley Cups as our roster was made up almost entirely of these kind of players.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Feb 13, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
I find this statement ironic
considering I remember some of your first posts here.
by Katherine215 on Feb 13, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
and i remember the lashing i got from you.
i don’t hold it against you.
to clarify, it wasn’t directed at any members of this blog. it was directed at a canuck.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Well THAT never stopped anybody
Cough. Scott. Cough.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 12, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
correlation does not equal causation
I am a meat popsicle
Negligent caretaker of SCH for Dummies
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Feb 12, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
you know that oft quoted stat last year
about John Scott being in the lineup when we win…
SCH moderator.
Carello is not the point!
Or maybe he is. I just don’t remember anymore…
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
blues shutout the sharks..
for their 1237412th shutout of the season.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 8:56 PM CST reply actions
and we have no shutouts this season, correct?
by vitoduhawk84 on Feb 12, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
I will try and hide this comment as it gets late
I won’t even try and pretend to know what is going on in that dressing room. But I do wonder what Toews is saying to his team. I always wondered about teams that had young captains and how they grabbed their older teammates attention when things were going shitty. Yeah he has won a Cup but he is one of those guys that is a worker and not a rah-rah guy. He leads by example and when he does speak, it’s not usually a good thing.
Toews seems to be skirting the blame as he may/may not be injured, but I have not heard much from him about this streak of bad luck. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
he's not saying much publicly
but who knows what is (or isn’t) being said privately. I don’t think he cottons at all to this kind of play, so I would hazard a guess that some rather pointed things have been said – or if not, will be shortly.
not sure what he's saying
But if there are guys in that room that aren’t listening to him or don’t respect him, the hawks have a lot bigger problems than anyone knows about
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 9:06 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hmm
Was it last year that the ‘Hawks went through a stretch, and rumors started to fly about some kind of “heated” exchange in the locker room and people were trying to guess who said it? I don’t know if we ever pinned it down but some people said it was Toews, others said some other guys (Sharpie? Soupy?) but I think at first, the team sank lower, the chemistry/tuning out discussion came, but then the season turned around and some people pointed to that as a turning point in retrospect.
It’s funny the kind of speculation that goes on at times like this… not that I don’t wonder, but I don’t know that we’ll ever get the answer.
and detroit gets its 20th home victory in a row
fucking bollocks
their third string goalie plays better than our starter
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 12, 2012 9:02 PM CST reply actions
excellent streak
no matter how much we hate em
Watching full metal jousting on History channel
They take off 5 points for a head shot – Bettman, are you listening?
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
I have no idea what happened there... but I also stated they take off 5 points for a headshot
Bettman, are you listening?
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
Desperate times call for desperate measures
Q needs to shave off the stache
"There are rough players and there are dirty players. I'm rough and dirty."
by YouFeelShame II on Feb 12, 2012 9:18 PM CST reply actions
And Kane
needs to grow an actual beard come play off time.
Im too lazy to make a signature
PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS?
We’re talking bout PLAYOFFS?
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 12, 2012 10:02 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
yuck
“At a certain point you run out of exercises you can go through or words you can say to make the guys feel better in the locker room and try to find that confidence. We have a lot of talent in this locker room, eventually things have to work out for us,” Toews said.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
i need to stop reading interviews until they win again or something
so damn depressing. they all seem so baffled and frustrated.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 12, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
so what else do you expect the captain to say
I don’t think Tazer is the type to throw teammates under the bus, unless he really thought that was the only option left for him.
I don't expect anything from him including throwing teammates under the bus. what I HOPE
is that the team isn’t as confused as we are about where they are, how they got there, and how they can get out of it.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe the problem is that there isnt enough red on the ice when we are away from home
The solution is to use red tape on everyone’s sticks.
(I dont think this would seriously help, but it would be fucking awesome)
SCH moderator.
wasn't there an interview with Sharp where he said he
changed the tape on his stick from white to black, and then he took off?
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 13, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
This is interesting
From tomorrow’s Sun-Times (article posted on their website a few hours ago):
“McDonough attended a practice at Johnny’s IceHouse West after the first three losses of the Hawks’ road trip and spoke to Quenneville for several minutes. Senior adviser Scotty Bowman then joined the team for the second leg of the trip.”
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 AM CST reply actions
I just want the Hawks to win to get past all this crap on the threads nowadays
And get back to talking about how totally awesome the Hawks are, while crtitiuquing how they could have done more in their wins.
And I’m also waiting for word from the organization on some sort of “change”, I kinda expect one to happen today.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 13, 2012 7:05 AM CST reply actions
I'd like that
all this “THE PLANE HAS CRASHED INTO THE FUCKING MOUNTAIN” stuff is getting old. Damn you Hawks for putting us in this position
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 13, 2012 7:12 AM CST up reply actions
My head hurts from trying to read through this
So I’ll just say I miss what its like to win. I would love to see this turned around with 1 win and go on a fucking streak.
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
13pts behind Det, 10pts behind STL, 5pts behind Nash
If we’re not careful, fucking Columbus will catch us.
We’re now tied with LA at 65pts for 6/7 in the conference. Phx is only 3pts behind.
Could very easily become the bubble team, again.
Re: Columbus
Here’s something depressing, the Hawks’ 0-7-1 in the last 8 games is the same record that the Blue Jackets started the season with.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
i was thinking the exact same thing yesterday
if that was the kiss of death at the beginning of a season, what does it do midway?
ugh
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 13, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
In the Hawks' instance
I don’t think it’s as bad. They had a fair amount of points to allow this to happen without much damage. In the case of the Blue Jackets, they spent the first few weeks of the season watching everyone pull away from them.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
maybe they really need to be humiliated further if that's what it takes
the old adage about really reaching the bottom. I thought for sure they’d already reached that level, but perhaps they need another serious ass – kicking.
no no more losing in a row at least
I really think my sanity and fans around here my go up in ashes. Just a win against the team that pretty much started it all.
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
4 vs. STL
Boasting arguably some of the hottest goaltending in the league. Should be fun. We can also count on our skill players being manhandled and physically dominated again like they were in SJ. Nice.
Considering we’ve only put up more than 4 goals in two games in the last month (both losses), this Hawks’ team’s success is more and more dependent on D and goalie play.
What good is scoring 4 goals in a game if your opposition scores 8?
I'm not suggesting that's my hope here
but since losing this many in a row doesn’t seem to have lit a fire under their backsides, who knows what it will take?
On the bright side, Sutton is staying with his team, so no chance of him being one of ours
if I remember correctly there were a few “No no no no” posts about him.
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