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Why I do not blame Stan Bowman

Im hearing a lot of people on twitter and other outlets being very hard on Stan Bowman. While he does deserve some of the blame for the teams recent losing streak, I do not believe he deserves as much blame as some would give. One point i would like to make first off is this, Bowman has been on the record recently as saying that no one is selling. Many in Hawk nation have blasted him for saying this while also labeling him as hesitant or passive as a GM. While i would love them to acquire a solid PK and reliable defenseman such as Bryan Allen or Niklas Grossman, its just not going to happen until the eleventh hour. Brian Burke, Notorious douche that he is, was recently quoted saying the trade market "is like a snakepit." Most team are within 10 points of playoff spots with the playoff teams moving up and down daily and do not want to sell. My big point here for the non believers of Stan is this; If there were trades to be made as you say, why have we not seen one of the other 29 teams make a big deal? The only deals that have been made so far are for prospects or for fringe AHL roster players. As far as I recall, Brendan Morrison is about the only NHL starter to move this year.

I do believe in two things right now.

1. Stan is working around the clock to acquire players, but is most likely stonewalled by GM's and owners who want to make a run at the playoffs for the extra profit and games.

2. This team will improve and still make the playoffs.

Arguably no team in the league has a better collection of talent in the top of their lineup than the Blackhawks. With Jonathon Toews looking more and more healthy everyday,(I think his FO% is a good indicator of how his wrist is doing) this team will bounce back in a major way, and i think it will start tonight versus Nashville.

if I may for a moment take everyone back to the summer of 2010 and the dreaded "Cap-o-pocalypse." While I know most of the readers here know what moves were made, id like to analyze those moves a bit. Ill also include moves made since then because it has to do with the Hawks position this season.

Starters traded away:

Dustin Byfuglien, Current cap hit: $5.2 Million

Kris Versteeg, Cap hit: $3.083 Million

Andrew Ladd, Cap hit: $4.4 Million

Brent Sopel,currently in the KHL

Ben Eager, Cap hit: $1.1 Million

Adam Burish, Cap hit: $1.15 Million

Colin Fraser, Cap hit: $825k

Marty Reasoner(briefly acquired and then not able to afford, whom I believe would have been a solid player for the Hawks) Cap hit: $1.35 Million

Troy Brouwer, Cap hit: $2.35 Million

Brian Campbell, Cap hit $7.14 Million

Tomas Kopecky, Cap hit $3 Million

Players Acquired:

Versteeg trade: Viktor Stalberg 875k, Phillipe Paradis 870k, Chris DiDomenico 678k

Byfuglien trade: Marty Reasoner, Joey Crabb, Jeremy Morin 886k, First Round Pick(Kevin Hayes), Second round pick(Justin Holl)

Fraser trade: 6th rounder (Mirko Hoefflin)

Ladd trade: Ivan Vishnevskiy(KHL), second round pick(Adam Clendening)

Reasoner trade: Jeff Taffe

Brouwer trade: First rounder (Phillip Danault)

Campbell trade: Rostislav Olesz $3.125 Million

Alright, now that that is over with, lets take a look at what happened. While the vast majority of you know all this information, some of the cliff jumpers i believe do not understand what Stan did when he traded away all of those players. Obviously the main reason was the Salary cap. Looking at the 2010 team today, the Blackhawks would be $48.199 (including patrick Sharps 3.9 Million this year which increases to 5.9 million next year) Million alone for the forwards, and $24.308 Million For the defense, for a grand total of 72.507 Million, 8 million dollars over the current salary cap and 10+ million over the 2010-2011 Cap. (I couldn't find salary information on a few players who are no longer around, probably totaling about 2-3 million, but I believe my point was made as I did it.) Clearly the Hawks could not afford to keep most of the players on their 2010 team or they would be way over the cap.

Its really what else happened during these salary dumps and trades that I believe a lot of fans do not understand. If you take a look at what was traded, 8 NHL Starting forwards(9 if you include Marty Reasoner), and 2 NHL starting Defensemen. Thats a big loss for any team over two years, especially right after lifting Lord Stanleys Chalice.

But the question here is, 'What did we get in return?'

Of everything that Stan traded for, Viktor Stalberg is the ONLY starting player thus far. Jeremy Morin, still a highly regarded prospect, was most likely expected to start this year when the trade was consumated. But after a nasty concussion in the AHL last year he has slowed a bit, but recently started to pick up his game. With the uncertainty of concussions, its very unfortunate that he hasnt played with the team this year, but I still believe he will be a top 6 forward.

What else did we get? Well for one thing, Salary cap room. Weve heard all year how it allows flexibility at the trade deadline. Will Stan make a move? I believe so. Will it be a blockbuster for a Rick Nash or Ryan Suter type? No, i do not think so. You would have to give up far too much to get one of those players. The whole point of the "Cap-o-pocalypse" was to clear Cap room, and to restock a declining prospect pool.

With what the hawks have right now coming through the prospect ranks, im very excited about. But it doesnt do us much good if they arent going to play for 2-3 years.

Can you consider the Stan Bowman moves a failure?

Even if he did trade for more starting players, they could not have kept them with the team before Brian Campbell was traded because of the salary cap. So I believe they cannot be judged at this point as most of the players acquired have not seen NHL action. In 2-3 years when some of them come up, maybe even next year, then we can make a judgement on whether they were good or bad. Personally, i love what he did, he gave the team with MASSIVE Cap issues freedom to sign free agents and aquire money at the trade deadline in only a year and a half.

Not only did he free cap space, but he drafted players who can contribute at the NHL level and whose rights he owns for 3 years at affordable prices. Not only can they help the hawks in the future, but some of them can be used to acquire current NHL talent through trades.

What is my grade for Stan Bowman?

So far its mostly incomplete, but I have a lot of optimism for the organizational depth and future for the NHL team. Injuries happen, slumps happen, and shaky goaltending happen. Maybe what we are seeing here is a perfect storm of all three at the same time. Losing 8 games sucks, but its better than losing 8 games right before or during the playoffs. As most of sports are showing right now, its now about who is the best team in the league, its about the one that is playing great when it matters.

Part 2: Free agency

Lets take a look at the added free agents and the free agents who were available and were not added. (looking only at roster players, not AHL or junior players.)

Additions 2010-2011

Marty Turco G

While he had a few good games, he really didnt fit the organizations belief in goalies, Big, butterfly, and Cheap. Lost the job to Corey Crawford, who played very well last year and in the playoffs.

Fernando Pisani RW

A lot of people thought he would be better than he was, but with the money Stan didnt have after the purge of 2010, he was about the only option.

Ryan Johnson C

Played well for a fourth liner, won faceoffs killed penalties. was a bit too old to resign imo.

He also signed Jonathon Toews, Patrick Kane, Patrick Sharp, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook to contract extensions.

John Scott F/D

Obviously this was a bad sign, as someone who skates 4-5 minutes a night hurts the team. The idea of signing him was solid in my opinion. They needed someone to protect Toews and Kane from goons. The real world results of the idea were a disaster. Thank god hes gone after next year, at least we can all hope.

Nick Leddy D

Signed to a 3 year entry level contract. The trade to acquire him was obviously a win and one of Stan's prouder moments. Giving up Cam Barker, who has done nothing but disappoint since leaving the Hawks for Kim Johnsson(who was actually solid when he did play for those 8 or so games.) and Leddy was a very lopsided deal.

Jordan Hendry D

Constantly in Q's doghouse, but again, didnt have any cap room to go out and get someone to replace him. Honestly, this is the guy that we replaced with Steve Montador. Does anyone really want Hendry back?

Nick Boynton D

fifth or Sixth D man, played ok, then waived I believe.

Corey Crawford G

Well as of now this deal doesnt look good, but one bad year does not a golie make. i still think Crawford will bounce back and be a solid goalie. The argument in a lot of Hawks fans minds is him vs. Antti Niemi. But ill look at that later.

Steve Montador D

Signed to be a 4-6 Defenseman. Personally I think he has been fine. yes hes made mistakes, but do we really expect him to be Brent Seabrook or Duncan Keith? I didnt. Why he hasnt gotten more of a chance on the PK I will never know. Someone ask Q why he insists on putting and undersized Leddy there instead of a known PK specialist like Montador.

Jamal Mayers F

has been a solid fourth liner and PK forward. Can play Center, which this team always loves. Is responsible with the puck and will step up for teammates in a pinch. One of the better signings.

Sean O'Donnell D

Was hailed as a big physical defenseman who would clear the crease of opposing forwards looking for rebounds and loose pucks. What he actually is? Slow, not very responsible and all over the place. Watch a few of those October Colorado games and see him not where he is supposed to be when goals are scored. A bit ironic that the hawks are looking for a Dman of what he was billed to be. Fortunately he is only signed to a one year deal. i think if he was what he was last year in Philly he would have been much better as a hawk. he just may be done. It happens to 40 year olds.

Andrew Brunette F

Everyone said he was slow. Holy crap is he really slow. Being said, his best work is on the walls and behind the net. Almost every shift he plays with any semblance of talent, there is a nice behind the net pass that is close to a goal. Seems to me every game hes puts the puck on someone stick with a prime scoring chance. I just wish he was fast enough to skate with Toews and Kane, because that would be something special. Hes been pretty much what everyone expected.

Dan Carcillo F

This is a tough one. He was signed to be a Adam Burish type player to stick up for the DDN line and play with a bit of an edge. For the good part of the year he was more than anyone expected of him. Yes he took some dumb penalties, but he played really well and actually toned down his goonery until that Edmonton game where he blew out his knee. An underrated signing because he was more then anyone thought he was gonna be the day he was signed. Honestly he was exactly what Q and Stan billed him, and agitating forward with a bit of skill.

Resigned Viktor Stalberg F

This is actually a great signing in my opinion, as Viktor has been playing really well almost all year. If he was only signed to a one year deal, with the year he has had, I could see a team paying him 2-3 million a year this offseason. needs to get more of a chance on the power play though. I believe he leads the league in even strength points which is all of his points.

Sami Lepisto D

This is a strange signing as Sami has yet to see significant action this year. Kind of billed as a poor mans Chirs Campoli. My review on him is inconclusive. Although I do believe he should be playing over O'Donnell.

Resigned Michael Frolik F

At the time, almost everyone thought this was a great signing. However its a lot to pay a guy who doesnt score. He plays solid minutes but he just cant buy a goal. If he plays like he did in the playoffs last year this could turn out to be a great deal.

Ray Emery G

Very shrewd signing for almost league minimum. Has been solid as the backup and may be the starter down the road. Pretty good for a guy who was just in camp on a try-out.

Part 2A, Looking at the loss of Antti Niemi

On the goalie front, as i said earlier, it was basically Corey Crawford replacing Antti Niemi. On the Jesse Rogers side, people see Niemi as a second coming of Jesus Christ. However im a bit skeptical on that front. If I take a look at some of the postseason games from 2010 when Niemi wore the Indian head, i see that Niemi was good but not great.

Nashville series:

4-2, 920% SV, 1.66 GAA

While he had two shutouts, hes was downright terrible in Games 1 and 3, and just OK in games 5 and 6. At the same time, Nashville just always figures ways to score against the Hawks with little offensive firepower. Overall, he was good for two games and meh for 4.

Vancouver Series:

4-2, 898% SV, 2.83 GAA

This whole series was won by offense and the Hawks ability to sit inside of Roberto Luongos head. The Canucks once again like 2009, formed a line to the sin bin and the hawks made them pay. At the same time, Niemi wasnt very good this series. Game 6 he was great but he allowed quite a few soft goals during this series. Good, but not great.

San Jose Series:

4-0, 949% SV, 1.75 GAA

This is the series where Niemi stood on his damn head. He was absolutely fantastic against the Sharks, and watching that History will be made video still gives me goosebumps. Ohh and that save was on Ryan Clowe, my pants just got tighter.

Philidelphia Final:

4-2, 882% SV, 3.5 GAA

Niemi just wasnt very good here aside from game 2. Maybe it was just the change in the game tempo, but I dont buy that. 5 of the 6 games he played he did make some great saves, but he also let in some goals that shouldnt have been scored. He was ok, and honestly not that good against the Flyers.

Crawford Against the Canucks:

3-4, 926% SV, 2.66 GAA

Crawford was pretty spectacular in this series, playing behind an arguably worse defense. Now yes it is only one series, but his numbers here are pretty damn good. Like the organization said when they let Niemi go, its more about defense than it is goaltending. What the hawks did was find a cheaper younger option to Niemi who gave them a pretty good performance. But the point isnt the goalie performance, the point is comparing the value of defense to the Value of goaltending in todays league. What im trying to say here, is that those longing for the return of Niemi, really didnt need him in the first place. Would they have won the cup without him? I cant say. But, could they have won the cup with another goalie? Probably. There was so much talent on that roster(which is now gone) they most likely would have still beat anyone. Niemis play in the playoffs wasnt that of an elite goalie, even though he may now have become one, it was that of about league average goaltending. Really this decision to not retain Niemi relies on how well Hjalmarsson progresses. Hes become a shot blocking specialist and a pretty solid Defenseman. if he could eliminate the brain lapses when around his own net, he could become quite valuable. Remember one thing, hes only 24. Its not like were talking about a 30 year old vet who at that age is pretty much who he is. Hammer as like most defensemen will probably improve and really hit his stride in the coming years. At the same time, this is only his third full year in the league. i still subscribe the the school of when Stan says, its more about defense than goaltending. yes goalies can have bad nights, but a good defense limits the chances on those bad nights, limiting the goals given up. Id rather go with relying on 6-7 Dmen than relying on one goalie having a great game every night.

Part 2b, Free Agents that were desired, but signed elsewhere

Ok now that thats out of the way, lets take a look at the Free Agent class of 2011 and a lot of players who hawks fans wanted.

Joel Ward F, signed to 4 year-$12 million deal by Washington

5 Goals, 10 Assists, 15 Points, +6

A lot of people wanted him to play a 2nd or 3rd line role. Having not watched a lot of Capitals games im not sure where hes played, but thats not a lot of production for someone getting paid 3 mil a year. Is he a solid player? Yes. Is he worth $3 million a year? No.

Sean Bergenheim F, Signed to a 4yr-$11 Million deal by Florida

11g, 2A, 13 Pts. -1

A lot of Hawks fans wanted him to be a third liner, PK specialist. once again a decent player, but not a whole lot of production for $2.75 Million. i dont think hes much better on the Hawks, especially for 4 years.

Jason Arnott C, Signed by the Blues, 1yr, 2.875 Million

12g, 12a, 24pts, +11

This was actually a guy I wanted the hawks to sign. hes good defensively, wins faceoffs and usually scores some clutch goals. Of course most of this was against the hawks, so you never know what would happen if he was playing for them. however, hes been injured a lot of this year and not really a 2nd line center. At almost 3 million, hes way overpaid. if the Hawks could have signed him for somewhere in the 1-1.5 range I think it would have been great, but the blues decided to overpay for him, a trend that followed most of the Free agent signings this offseason.

Tim Connolly C, Signed by the Leafs, 2 years, 9.5 Million

7g, 18A, 25 Pts, even

Also a possible 2nd line center a lot of Hawks fans were clamoring for. Started out the year horrible and had a good stretch or two, but at a cap hit of 4.75 Million, not even close to being worth it.

Max Talbot, Signed by the Flyers, 5 years, 8.75 Million

14g, 11A, 25 Pts, +2

This is also a guy that I liked as well as a lot of Hawks fans. First off there was no way Stan would have signed him to a five year deal. The cap hit on him is actually quite good in my opinion, at 1.75 million. However, he was looking for a long term commitment, and Stan wasnt willing the go there. This really is about the only player i think the Hawks missed out on. But would they have signed him to a 4 or 5 year contract? I dont know.

Once again, for What Stan did by signing short term cheap players, he will have over $10 Million in cap space next year. Maybe there will be better Free agents next year and he will sign someone, but thats another story. What he did was give the team the chance to once again get some depth, and acquire talent at the deadline while not saddling himself with long term, bad contracts.

God this is long now, sorry for the wall of text.

I'm sure a lot of the readers know most of this information, but I just felt like I needed to share it for some who do not. I hope someone reads this and steps off the ledge.

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What letter grade do you give Stan Bowman?
A
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B
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C
17 votes
D
19 votes
F
5 votes
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I give him a D

He can deal with the salary cap, and that is why he gets a D. As far as who to keep, when to keep them, how much to pay them, and for how long to pay them, he has a long way to go to get to Ken Holland, who sets the curve.

He’s sitting on cap space and traded Campbell for Olesz. He netted 4 mil on that trade right? What has he done with it, and how did that trade help? When did it help? How was it supposed to help? Could have kept Campbell and be in a better situation. But I think we’ve been through that.

Troy Brouwer.

John Scott gets paid by the Hawks to play in the NHL. If you are a GM and you tell your boss to pay John Scott to play in the NHL, you get a D, but only because you have the balls to tell your boss that John Scott can play.

He also has allowed the coach that works for him to run a PP and PK that has been in the bottom all season with talent that should put it in the top, but Brian Campbell wasn’t worth his salary. Hell, Savard got 4 games from Tallon and Daddy. Q gets two seasons?

Niemi / Crawford.

Lepisto. Why does he keep paying him? His coach is not going to play him. Get rid of him. Or better yet, TELL your employee to use the tools he has. No call ups. You have the balls to tell Rocky to pay John Scott, why don’t you tell your coach to play Lepisto?

In my opinion (and I know you all have them too), Bowman is a below average GM at best.

Hold my stones I'm on IR

by laaarmer on Feb 14, 2012 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

See i disagree with Campbell

he was on the team last year and they were not better than this year. yeah hes a good player, but not at 7 million.

"Sure, ill snake a bro" "Love me he says"

by Kissmyanthia on Feb 14, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

He's great at what he does

Nobody on the Hawks can do what he does. They miss him on the PP and even. Their record last year through Feb 18 was 28-22-6 62 points. So, they really are not better this year. They are essentially the same, but they are doing it without Brian Campbell or the guy he was traded for. With Campbell, they would be better. If they had scored 10 more PP goals this year, which Campbell would probably give them, they would be far and away better.

Bowman is still sitting on Brian Campbell’s salary. The guy he got is in the AHL. He’s still paying him, right? Still his boss has to write checks to Olesz, right?

Bowman is not a good GM.

Hold my stones I'm on IR

by laaarmer on Feb 14, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I find most of these arguments to be specious at best
He’s sitting on cap space and traded Campbell for Olesz. He netted 4 mil on that trade right? What has he done with it, and how did that trade help? When did it help? How was it supposed to help? Could have kept Campbell and be in a better situation. But I think we’ve been through that.

Everyone agrees that the 2012 Hawks would be better with Campbell. However, this was never a move made for short-term benefit. With Campbell’s declining age, he (and his contract) become less and less tradeable the longer you wait. Also, who knows what will happen with the cap, especially with a new CBA coming?

I agree that Olesz is useless, although he’s really just an afterthought.

As for the cap room, how many big trades have you seen made so far in the NHL this season? The Hawks aren’t the only desperate team. It hurts that they’ve gone on this huge slide, and I’m guessing nobody was planning on that, but do you honestly think he’s sitting on his thumbs, content to leave the roster as-is?

Troy Brouwer.

Is Brouwer such a game-changer that his trade doesn’t even need an explanation? Again, it probably didn’t help the short-term success of the club, although I doubt that it has hurt as much as some would claim. Even then, until we know what we got in Danault, this trade can’t be objectively judged.

John Scott gets paid by the Hawks to play in the NHL. If you are a GM and you tell your boss to pay John Scott to play in the NHL, you get a D, but only because you have the balls to tell your boss that John Scott can play.

Full demerits to Bowman for this signing, particularly the multi-year nature of it. That said, I doubt many GMs mandate who plays and doesn’t play, in spite of the way some people think it works. I’m putting the Scott fiasco at Q’s feet for now, especially since Bowman provided him with alternatives (Lepisto) in the off-season. That said, all bets are off if Scott gets re-signed this off-season.

He also has allowed the coach that works for him to run a PP and PK that has been in the bottom all season with talent that should put it in the top, but Brian Campbell wasn’t worth his salary. Hell, Savard got 4 games from Tallon and Daddy. Q gets two seasons?

You mention “two seasons” as if Q has been on the hot seat the whole time. At the beginning of last year, he was coming off a Cup victory. Few blamed him for last year (at the time), and this season things only recently got really bad. Yeah, Bowman could have fired him at some point prior to the last few weeks, but there’s no way he could have justified it. Going forward, however, things have to change or else Bowman will have to take action. I’ll judge him far more harshly if he gives Q too much rope.

Niemi / Crawford.

The only things you could blame him for are either not signing Hjalmarsson earlier, or choosing Hjalmarsson over Niemi. Hindsight is 20/20, so I’ll ding him a bit for the former, but let him slide on the latter.

Lepisto. Why does he keep paying him? His coach is not going to play him. Get rid of him. Or better yet, TELL your employee to use the tools he has. No call ups. You have the balls to tell Rocky to pay John Scott, why don’t you tell your coach to play Lepisto?

See my previous point about the coach being the one who makes these choices. Again, you can disagree, but none of us run or coach hockey organizations. As for getting rid of him, why? He makes diddly squat, and, as we all know, cap room isn’t a problem.

Right now, I’d give Bowman a B, maybe a B-. He’s added to the prospect pool, provided flexibility, and signed players who have simply underperformed the consensus expectations. I’m not going to punish him for hindsight.

by TKHO on Feb 14, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice block quotes.

Here’s one for you

Again, you can disagree

I do.

Troy Brouwer is better than Bick and Frolik. Players that can play cost money. I realize you cannot have a team like the cup team we enjoyed, but when you rid yourself of Troy Brouwer, who played in all situations and replace with Andrew Brunette, who does not, you have a problem.

Q gets two seasons? I said that. He’s been sitting the likes or Brouwer, Bickell, and Frolik during those seasons. During the cup he was sitting Boynton and Burish. That is my point. I did not say Q was on the hot seat last year – you did.

If you have the title of General manager and your coach is not doing what is best for your team, you have to step in and do something or you are not a manager, you are a do nothing. He took the job. His subordinate is playing John Scott over Frolik. neither one is going to score, but Frolik is capable of playing minutes in the NHL.

Why does Bowman get a B? Because you say so? What has he done that is above average, which by the way is a C?

Hold my stones I'm on IR

by laaarmer on Feb 14, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, then why does Bowman get a D—because you say so? I’ve told you that I give him credit for getting the Hawks out of the cap hell they were in. That’s more significant to me than you, obviously. I like that he has locked up the core players. I liked him snatching Leddy for Barker. I, like many here, liked some of the players he brought in (Frolik, Brunette) that have, sadly, underperformed (or been misused). I don’t blame him for Q’s questionable decision-making. I also understand that firing a coach doesn’t happen in a vacuum, and that the fact that he hasn’t canned Q doesn’t necessarily reflect his unwillingness to do it in the near future.

Simply put, while not splashy, I have liked a lot of what he’s done. I also haven’t found many warts on his resume (in my opinion), and the ones that exist aren’t major fuck-ups. Regardless of what happens the rest of this season, I still feel confident with our situation going forward, and with Stan. Maybe that will change over the next few months, but, much like Stan, I don’t have a crystal ball.

by TKHO on Feb 14, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Because I say so.

Hold my stones I'm on IR

by laaarmer on Feb 14, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Boynton?

laaarmer. Take one giant step back.

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by cliffkoroll on Feb 14, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Cliff, let me clear that up for you

Sitting Boynton and Burish for others made perfect sense at the time.

Sitting Frolik for Scott does not make sense in the NHL. I believe Bickell and Brouwer the past year fit in their too.

Hold my stones I'm on IR

by laaarmer on Feb 14, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

I blame myself for my convoluted reading of your crystalline prose.

/step back rescinded

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by cliffkoroll on Feb 14, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do you not rec the fan post?

I did. Step up man. You think he gets a B rec the fan post.

Hold my stones I'm on IR

by laaarmer on Feb 14, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to rec this entire post and all of the comments

just for the appearance of “specious” in a comment; most august.

Thank you, sir! May I have another?

by Badgerdano on Feb 23, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

and, because this is SCH after all, it's a landslide for C!

but seriously.. good points

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by mightymike D on Feb 14, 2012 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

I also just realized

i had a whole section on free agency, and i forgot to paste it to the bottom.

Cliffs notes: All the FA forwards sucked and everyone overpaid for them.

"Sure, ill snake a bro" "Love me he says"

by Kissmyanthia on Feb 14, 2012 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting analysis

Several items need to be included in the grade though (some good, some bad):

Leddy/Johnsson for Barker.
Frolik for Skille.
Resigning Frolik.
Pisani, Potulny, and the rest of the 2010-11 discount bin
Old Donald
Resigning Stalberg
Not resigning Campoli
Lepisto
Montador
Mayers
Brunette
Morrison

We like our people!

by cliffkoroll on Feb 14, 2012 3:24 PM CST reply actions  

On Frolik

I seem to remember when he was initially signed, that we thought he had been snakebit in 2009, and no way that would repeat in 2010.

In 2010, the consensus started to shift towards ‘not worth the money’, and then the playoffs happened, and it became ‘he was snakebit most of 2010, there’s no way he can be that bad in 2011, he got better in the playoffs.’

The deeper numbers on his shot % (I want to credit/blame CNS for that, but I could be wrong) were used as evidence that he was snakebit, and not just bad on offense. There was no way to predict when Stan signed him that he would become invisible.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah i just edited

its really long, sorry about that, but im just a bit passionate bout ma hawks!

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by Kissmyanthia on Feb 14, 2012 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

i blame everyone

especially zoidberg

Just wee-un.

by jesus christos on Feb 14, 2012 8:08 PM CST reply actions  

Why Zoidberg?

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by Marty-notimportant-Turco on Feb 14, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh?

Huh? Your comments on Carcillo hit me very strangely. You say he “actually toned down his goonery until that Edmonton game where he blew out his knee.” I admittedly was not at all pleased when Bowman brought in this bum to help stir things up on the ice.

While I fully believe in every championship team needing an instigator type role (IE-Adam Burish or kiss blowing Tony Granato in an LA Kings uniform), this person still needs to have a skill level to contribute. “Carbomb” is just an idiot on skates who continuosly puts his team in terrible situations. That stuff might fly for the typical Philly fan, but in Chicago it ani’t gonna cut it.

Carcillo before his season ending injury had 82 penalty minutes in 28 games, which averages out to over 2.9 penalty minutes per game (not likely a toned down Carbomb when in phi/2011 he had 127 PM in 127 games for a 2.28 average).

You cannot take at least one penalty a game on a team with a PK% of 77.8.

Carcillo was every bit the goon he had been in the past and more. I’ll let wikipedia explain this to you :

“Carcillo’s 2011–12 season came to an early end on January 2, 2012, in a game between the Blackhawks and the Edmonton Oilers. In that game, Carcillo was assessed a 5-minute major penalty and a game misconduct for boarding and attempting to injure Oilers defenceman Tom Gilbert. Both Carcillo and Gilbert were injured on the play, and Carcillo was suspended for 7 games. Carcillo, however, also suffered a torn left ACL, and was announced as out for the season on January 13 once his suspension ended, having surgery 4 days later.”

His cheapshot, or attempt to injure Tom Gilbert was at minimum a Major in the game, and a week of unpaid leave from Shany. His Goonistic tendancies but the Hawks in a bind not only in that game but for an indefinate extended period of time based on the original suspension. Even without the knee injury, Shaney was going to make an example out of him, and make this kind of nonsense stop. It was only after Carcillo’s season ending injury was announced that Shaney dropped 7 games on him. Until that point he was suspended indefinately.

We all know what he was suppose to bring to the table, which was truly nowhere to be found this year. Don Cherry has exposed this bum for what he is for many years. See the you tube link for exhibit A : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGQKhkAEENc&feature=related

He’s a bum and a team cancer that needs to be removed next year from this squad.

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by Blue58set on Feb 15, 2012 9:39 AM CST reply actions  

Ok well Don Cherry

Is an expert on goons and goon tactics anyways, so maybe he knows more than I do. But for the first quarter of the season or so, Carcillo was contributing, making nice passes, and making smart hockey plays (driving the net even without the puck to open up space for the skill players to score). More than that, he seemed to revive some sense of chemistry and fun in a locker room that was pretty moribund last season.

He fucked up really really bad with that Edmonton hit. I’m not denying that. I just think that for the most part, he was a positive force on the roster.

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by Chels Dag on Feb 15, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Carcillo = Scalabrine

Yuou’re right he majorly f’ed up in Edmonton. I agree to disagree with your assestment. Just because you lead the young single players out to the hippest bars to get laid, doesn’t make you a good teammate.

by Blue58set on Feb 15, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok by saying that

your points are moot meatball.

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by Kissmyanthia on Feb 15, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

you talk about penalty minutes

but just quoting them doesnt make sense, as at least 25 of those penalty minutes were fighting majors and did not put the hawks on the PK. Im also sure he at least had obe or 2 10 minute game misconducts, which in no way affect the power play or penalty kill. he drew penalties, he fought he get lots of PIM. i dont know which TV you were watching earlier in the year, but it obviously wasnt the right one as Carcillo was a good pickup. No a great one, but a good one, which is exactly what i said.

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by Kissmyanthia on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

No

Yes, I am a meatball, a meatball who looks at things objectively. Even without the injury, Carcillo was a bust. Please don’t be blinded by the Carbomb persona. He never fought anyone that he wasn’t bigger than in order to stick up for his teammates. He also doesn’t “draw” penalties, he dives and fakes injuries to trick refs into thinking something happened that actually didn’t.

I may be a meatball, but your beloved Carbomb is Scalabrine on skates. A Fan favorite with an “I’m just like you” persona that doesn’t get you any closer to winning a cup.

by Blue58set on Feb 15, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Scalabrine on skates?

For someone who was averaging 11:24 TOI, thats an awful lot to be a bench warmer.

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by Kissmyanthia on Feb 15, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

A bust?

I’m not sure how someone on a 1 year deal for $775K can be called a bust. Did you have high expectations? Judging by your bashing of him I would guess no. It would have been nice if he didn’t have to play in the top 6, but he provided some decent production and took some dumb penalties. I’d say that’s exactly what was expected.

He never fought anyone that he wasn’t bigger than in order to stick up for his teammates

On this argument, I submit this video: FIght Card

Every one of his bouts this year was against a bigger opponent. He was certainly sticking up for a teammate against Reaves.

by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 16, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Scalabrine comment was reference to the fact that his is a fan favorite and not part of the core. Since he started on the first line, I never called him a bench warmer, just a bum.

Unneeded Fights cause penalties that take players off the ice and cause the coach to juggle the lineups leaving the team short handed on the bench.

Read the fight card, other than bertuzzi he was within an inch or two of each guy. Most pro sports measurements are exagerated anyhow. I meant he aint going after anyone the size of say John Scott. He picks his battles very carefully to keep his success rate high.

Regardless of his salary, if he skates with the 1st line I expect him to contribute at a first line level. If he was a chk liner, I’d have lower expectations. We are better off without him.

by Blue58set on Feb 17, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would he ever go after someone the size of John Scott?

That’s how people die. That would be more ridiculous than the Dorsett-Scott fight

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by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 19, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

legit question

is the fact that the hawks have a top-5 rated farm system irrelevant to this discussion? we seem to be focusing on Bowman’s inability to construct a present day juggernaut in 1.5 seasons after having to dismantle one juggernaut for cap reasons. There’s plenty of blame to go around, but it’s not like this team has missed the playoffs for three years straight. Assuming the farm doesn’t get raided by the deadline, we currently have two very talented power forwards in McNeil (a center) and Saad absolutely dominating in their respective leagues. Next up is Danualt, another center (albeit more of a playmaking one than a sniper) dominating as well. Olsen is a coveted D prospect, and if Morin can overcome his injuries, he’s actually the most highly rated prospect of the bunch. On top of that, Jimmy Hayes and Shaw and Ben Smith have shown the early ability to be quality 3rd/4th line players in the molds of the Eagers and Frasers and Burishes that people seem to still be pining for (only smarter). Add in Clendening, Lavin, Rensveldt and the Beach enigma, and there is a bounty of talent on the way. Do I want to win this year? Absolutely. If they don’t, is it fair to characterize Bowman as an abject failure? Just don’t see how we can do that without knowing what the next few years hold.

by Code Name Duchess on Feb 15, 2012 1:11 PM CST reply actions  

i thought i threw in a bit of the farm system

yes it is absolutely paramount to grading bowman as he drafted almost all of our top prospects.

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by Kissmyanthia on Feb 15, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

speaking of Rust eeze

Maybe they’ll bring him back up after the deadline. He’s done pretty well in rock vegas. Maybe he can play a little when healthy which he most certainly wasn’t earlier this year.

by pang off the post on Feb 20, 2012 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

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