Deja Vu All Over Again: Blackhawks 2 - Predators 3
by Killion on Feb 15, 2012 10:43 AM CST
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Apologies for the delayed wrap. I tried the patented "rally shot" method last night at the bar (order a shot... it sits on the bar til the Hawks score or the game ends.) The hangover is worth it if they win... not so much when they lose. So in a way I'm glad it was a low scoring game. So sadly, this was one of the Blackhawks better efforts and they still came up short. This losing streak clearly will end at some point and it almost did last night but instead we have to go through NYC and then the dangerous trap game waiting for the Hawks in Columbus... although when you've lost 9 in a row I think you also lose the ability to call anything a trap game. Then again the BJs are all kinds of awful.
Back to last night - The first period was damn near a perfect boring road game with both teams dealing with their own losing streaks and just feeling each other out, though with a nice little flurry of penalties that thankfully didn't hurt the Hawks, though certainly didn't help. Then things closed out with a bang as Jonathan Toews gave up the puck in the neutral zone and (as it always seems to do lately) it resulted in a goal against with a pretty little passing play to set up Suter for a wrister. If the Hawks had gone into that first intermission, I'm almost certain the game would have been over. Thankfully, Bryan Bickell was given the full hour he needs to get his shot off when he and Mayers caught the Preds on a change and he beat Rinne for the first time that night.
The second remained close with Nick Spaling the only able to find the net when he re-directed Ryan Ellis' shot. In the third, Marian Hossa showed more signs of coming back to life with his first goal since this losing streak began back on Jan. 21st. Unfortunately, Ryan Ellis would have another shot tipped, this time by Duncan Keith, late in the third and the it found it's way between Emery's legs. Game. Bullets.
- Toews' line (paired with Kane and Sharp for those who haven't been keeping track) had a solid night with 10 shots but were hardly dominant. Toews himself looked like he's fighting everything. The uncharacteristic turnover in the neutral zone obviously pissed him off as he ended up shoving Suter after the goal. I doubt there's anyone taking this losing streak harder than the captain but this would be the perfect time for him to stand up and put the team on his back. Sadly, he's hurting (in more ways than one) and I'm not sure he can do it right now.
- Ray Emery was not awful tonight. And that's about the best we've been able to say about our goalies in a while. While he probably should have been able to stop the game winning goal, re-directions are always going to be tough. The other two goals would have been hard for anyone else to stop either (great passing and a slight screen on the first, another re-direct on the second). He still seemed shaky though and had a couple near misses that were just inches away from being the backbreakers that have become this trip's theme. I see no reason not to start him again on Thursday... they're going to need to split him and Craw up over the weekend anyway.
- Dylan Olsen is being left out on a hill to die at this point. He's shown that he's close but he simply needs more time. Everyone here knows the adage that defensemen take more time to develop, yet here we are rolling out a 20 and 21 year old. I think they're both going to be solid (and could even make a good pairing) but now is not there time. Leddy may be able to work through it. I don't think I feel the same about Olsen.
- Both Kane and Hossa had solid nights. Only Panda found the net but Kane led the team with 5 SOG. When Toews is hurting and Sharp in one of his down periods, these are the two the team needs to step up. I think they're close, which means a win could be too.
- This is your obligatory mention that John Scott was on the ice for only 4:02 and saw no more than two shifts a period.
- If this loss happens earlier in the season, we write if off with the obligatory "can't win 'em all" or "shit happens". When it's 9 in a row, it stings. Though if the Hawks were looking for a dramatic way to turn it around, beating the Rangers would certainly be it.
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"Though if the Hawks were looking for a dramatic way to turn it around, beating the Rangers would certainly be it."
If LQ is in net, I don’t think that will happen.
my answer is
why the fuck not? I don’t care who it is in the other net, I don’t give a fuck about records or what people say. I’m going with the fact that the Hawks are going to win a game again (they’re not going to lose every game for the rest of the season) so why the fuck can’t they win tomorrow?
I will be there in person to yell this at them.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
by ahnfire on Feb 15, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Cool. Where will you be sitting?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 15, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
ya know, I actually don't know
I’m going as a guest of an SCH-lurker that I met on twitter.
Are you going to the game?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
I wish.
call me nuts, but I have a good feeling about this one. It’s good to know we’ll have an SCH contingency there to piss off the New Yowkers when Toews and company rain hellfire on the Rangers. Hopefully I’ll be able to see you and your friend rejoicing on TV in the “comfort” of my own home.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
haha hopefully it won't be because I'm pouring beer on some jerk Rangers fan
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
and/or any shanking.. right?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
*shocked* I would never cut someone...
/surreptitiously puts knife back into its block
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
on another note
did anyone notice that sami lepisto?
and now the obligatory: why is it that he hasn’t played more games, again?
I agree I liked what I saw of Lepisto
That pass (that dreaded drop pass) worked solid and if the Captain wasn’t fighting it so much, I think he could of placed that shot better. Either way Lepisto should play some more. While not great but certaintly not worse than OD or Scott in under 10 minutes.
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Last year
was a season-long torture.
This year, we’re taking it all at once, in a convenient horse-pill sized capsule.
We get it, we’re Chicago fans. This is the price for winning the Cup. Are we paid up yet?
Hold fast, Blackhawk fans, while the bandwagon makes its orderly way to the exits.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 11:09 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
just wait till the first home game
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
atleast it's not a suppository
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 15, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
you all know that your happiness means much to me
but you also know better than most that the gods can drink for decades and put it all on your tab. People are born and die without seeing a Cup. The last two Cup winners were in, what, 50 and 40 year droughts. Leafs is 45. Ours is 37. Rangers is 18. Canucks is HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!. sorry sorry, playing to the audience.
I happen to think you’re all very lucky to have won in the last two years, whether or not you win another game the rest of the season.
i can’t imagine that helps any.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 15, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
This
Simply this
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 15, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
Last night just sucked
I was so doggone optimistic going into the game it was unreal. The Hawks played much better last night then in many of the games during this streak, all together it just makes it a very tough loss. I do hope it is a game they can build off of, they played well against a team in front of them on the road, and kept it close for 60 minutes.
Olsen I agree with, there are many things about him I like, but it is his shortcomings that seem to be just too glaring. The swipe of the puck into the net, and blind wraparound last night are two of them (not the only ones). I like his energy, but I think he needs a little more time to learn other things he can do in those situations. Those things happen to even the best defensemen at times, just not in those situations.
Ray was not bad, all three goals were tough and not softies IMO. I do not at all really blame him on the 3rd, it was just one of those that go in. The turnover thing is getting old though, 2 of the 3 NSH goals were off of turnovers.
Overall for the offense I am still not really concerned over the long haul, except one aspect. The Hawks are playing almost all of it on the perimiter, point and behind the net. I am not seeing allot of center ice or quick cross ice play or chances being developed from there, at least as many as this team should be making you would think.
TOFTBO and Monty need to hurry up and heal. I think with those two in the lineup last night, the Hawks may have pulled it out.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 11:11 AM CST reply actions
I didn't see the whole game but how was Brunette
with Hossa?
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
That line did not do too bad
That was the one I was most conrned with, but the generated some chances, mainly because Hossa is Hossa and when Hossa has the puck, he keeps it until he no longer wants it and nobody takes it from Hossa.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Brunette
Did you know…Andrew Brunette scored the VERY FIRST goal for the Predators franchise? I’d like to take 5 minutes of game time to talk about this, instead of calling the play-by-play
/Foley’d
Let's Go Hawks!
When he said he had a great story about Rinne last night I seriously considered changing the channel.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Did you know?
He was drafted by the Preds when they hadn’t even watched him play, only warm up???
ZOINKS
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Hossa's line was rock solid....
Flashes of creativity and lots of hustle from the #2 line against the Preds. It seemed Hossa was trying to win the game by himself and damn near did. He and Brunette were clicking, I just hope Q noticed.
A couple of points.
—> On the game winner: Block pointed out in the twitterverse last night that Keith could have made a better choice by ringing that puck around on his forehand to the other side where Bickell was the only player close. Looking at the replays I’d have to agree. If he does, that puck has a better chance to be cleared. This is not to absolve Olsen of all blame for his weak clearing attempt, but Keith probably could have made a better choice also.
—> This
Overall for the offense I am still not really concerned over the long haul, except one aspect. The Hawks are playing almost all of it on the perimiter, point and behind the net. I am not seeing allot of center ice or quick cross ice play or chances being developed from there, at least as many as this team should be making you would think.
This jumped out at me during last night’s game also. I kept thinking they’re not making it as tough on Rinne as they could be with more traffic in front.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
You know what would be sweet?
In June while the Hawks are in intermission, we are all talking about how much February sucked and how we doubted the Hawks, and then have a big laugh!!!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 11:27 AM CST reply actions
What's really going to suck is if the Hawks get bounced early and then a lockout occurs which forces us to jettison a piece of the core.
Our big decade long long that we were gearing up for could be completely blown up…
/doom
//gloom
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Feb 15, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I doubt the core will get dumped.
Their would be an overall reduction of everyone’s pay like last time and an option to dump a salary, which I don’t think the Hawks would have to do.
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
This would be fantastic if it didn't probably mean a very long lockout.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Feb 15, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Bite your blasphemic tongue
Please. Because I couldn’t take another 1997-2006.
Never Die Easy.
Basking in the (rare occurances of) Chicago sports glory on Twitter: @nextsportsguy.
This isn't the 2010 Hawks anymore...
What last season and this season are proving (slowing and painfully) is that “The Core” by itself is not good enough to be a big winner. The loss of Cambell has in my view been devastating. But the loss of Niemi, Ladd, Buff, Versteeg, Sopel and even the damned infuriating Brouwer hasn’t been overcome.
The 2010 Cup team was superlatively deep. And the aforementioned losses cut deeply into the bone. And it has hurt the effectiveness and stamina of “The Core.” Badly so at this point. The salary cap is a bitch. But dammit all it can’t be the excuse for the systematic melting of a team with multi-Cup aspirations two years ago.
It’s all very sobering. And I’d feel better if Dale Tallon was the wheeler-dealer in the big office, because say what you will about Dale he was / is NEVER afraid to look at weakness objectively and try and do something about it. Yes he needed a calculator. But am I wrong to have lack of confidence in Stan Bowman to address the intricacies and magnitude of the building that needs to happen? I think not.
While Q is culpable he is by no stretch the heart of the problem. The problem is 60% of the roster. Sure, assumption should be made that Kruger and Leddy, for example, will improve and grow. But what about the rest of this roster??? It’s a mess folks. More work to do here than most care to admit. It’s not about doom and gloom, it’s about realism in the context of settling for nothing else than Cup contention the next 5 years.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Just keep saying the same things over and over
and maybe you will be jettisoned back in time. We can only hope.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Hawks have a goalie gap
Even if the defense is significantly upgraded before next season the reality is that this team, collectively speaking, is not a great defensive unit in the way the Preds or Blues are. Hence the need for upgrade in goal. Which is going to be very hard to address. And with the lockout talk getting louder it’s natural to think the Hawks will need to shave more money as opposed to making a bigger investment in a goalie. Which leads me to think the Hawks live or die with Crawford for at least another season.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Yeah,
it looks like they are stuck with Crawford for a while. If you want a stud goalie, you need to give up some serious talent. And since you wouldn’t want to touch the core group, there is not much to give up beyond that.
I was thinking Seabs vs. Schneider (and change)..
Los Angeles, CA
they're not "stuck" with anyone in goal for awhile
Salak will be a strong option next year, like it or not. He almost made the club after the pre – season, and he was mighty pissed off about having to go to RockVegas.
Not even close.
Emery has no legs. It was painfully obvious yet again last night. He can’t go side to side nor up and down at an NHL-quality level. Craw has got serious physical short-comings and his head is completely screwed-up. It don’t know how he fixes it.
It seems as though we get robbed of a couple of goals a game while we give up a couple of softies. Merely switch the goaltending last night and we win 5-0. Can’t win in the NHL when you start each game -4 because of goaltending. Nobody is that good.
by stanfordron on Feb 15, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Didnt' see last night
but in other games I couldn’t believe Emery stopped as many as he does with his mobility problem. It is definitely sub-NHL. I wonder if there’s a pain component to go along with it. Poor guy.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 15, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
About this...
But am I wrong to have lack of confidence in Stan Bowman to address the intricacies and magnitude of the building that needs to happen?
What is Stan has found the pieces but no one wants to deal with him or they ask for the moon? It is not unrealistic to believe that team do not want to give the Hawks those pieces they need to succeed. Why would they unless they get something they value in return.
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
It's not about trade deadline moves, it's about bigger picture building
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Again...if I was a GM in the west
I probably wouldn’t deal with the Hawks since they have a strong core and it may only take that one piece to get them going. I don’t care what time of year it is. That leaves you looking out east for those pieces.
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
The only piece
that turns this team around is the second coming of a young Tony-O.
by stanfordron on Feb 15, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
bigger picture building
like trading Campbell’s albatross salary at a huge discount to create cap flexibility for the next 5 years? like not getting roped into sacrificing the mcneils, saads, danaults and olsens for rental players? if the lockout is indeed inevitable and the cap starts decreasing, doesn’t it make sense to turn certain assets (like your beloved Brouwer) into pieces like Saad that can hopefully provide younger, cheap production. Isn’t young, cheap production exactly what made the 2010 team the complete juggernaut that it was?
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 15, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
stop it with all of your so - called "logic"
and attempting to impart any of that logic to that commenter is a fool’s errand, although many of us here have tried in vain.
Speaking of Saad.
Something to brighten up a down day a little bit.
From a story on the Hawks website:
Blackhawks prospect Brandon Saad has been burning up the Ontario Hockey League as of late. In 16 games through January and part of February, Saad has put up 32 points (11G, 21A), contributing to his lofty total of 54 (21G, 33A) in 30 appearances. He is currently working on a 12-game point streak, the last 11 after he was named Saginaw captain on Jan. 17, and is averaging a team-best 1.8 points per game, good for the second highest scoring rate in the OHL behind Sarnia’s Nail Yakupov, who is likely to be taken first overall in this summer’s NHL Entry Draft.
Full article here: A Saad-isfying surge, and other notes from the system
I really don’t want the Hawks to trade this kid for a short term fix. It seems like he could be something special.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
don't worry he's not going anywhere
and this may turn out to be another StanBow draft day special, where he gets a prospect that was widely considered to be a steal at that pick level. But the meatheads will pay no attention, even if the kid turns out to be a great player for the Hawks.
The guy thinks
any forward who makes an NHL roster is a center as long as he played center at some point since Squirt. Enough said?
by stanfordron on Feb 15, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
The loss of Cambell has in my view been devastating.
Yeah. Last year was so awesome.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
You're boring.
Second City Hockey
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a goddamn shame
by McClure on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 10 recs
Your signature is the only thing anyone ever needs to read.
You are the single most insufferable person I have ever encountered on the internet and it’s a pretty big place.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Borrowing CNS's thunder here, but
Your credibility is not so good right now.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Yup
“Dale Tallon has lost his mind in Florida. He still doesn’t understand how to use a calculator. Just to get to the cap floor he adds THAT amalgamation of insanely overpaid players?!? Yeesh.”
-BLou, 7/1/11
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 15, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Anytime BLou posts something about Tallon and Bowman
This link needs to be the only reply
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
re: Campbell and meatballs
there’s also this.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Haha, saw that
Tells me all I need to know about BLou, especially considering that some people have given much more expensive tickets away for free on this site.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 15, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I will say, some of the people who have given away more expensive tickets
are usually the people you’d want to sit with and enjoy/bemoan a hockey game with.
As for others…well, you’ll pay either way for the “pleasure” of experiencing a game with them.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
I forgot tickets used to be $15.
Damn you, success.
by Katherine215 on Feb 15, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
i vote for that to be the next tagline
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 15, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
typical meatball
Living in the past, essentially disregarding the very real and legitimate reason many of the Cup team players had to go, and failing to offer any plausible and/or specific alternatives.
Not to mention, mostly wrong.
Sad loss last night…basically we somewhat outplayed the Preds but lost anyhow and two turnovers ended up in our net.
Razor should stop the losing goal, even though Keith deflected it 40 ft in front of him. It went 5 hole, and when you’re down in the Butterfly the stick is supposed to stop that puck.
The better goaltender won last night and without a doubt although certainly this was a goaltender steal. Does anyone remember the last time this season one of our goalies stole a win for us?
Olsen isn’t yet ready to play in the NHL..hopefully next year. Defensive woes continue and Duncs and Seebs are getting played to death with very tough minutes and Keith, especially isn’t playing like a former Norris Trophy winner.
Nice trade by Stan dumping Campbell for a guy who couldn’t make the team and coming into the season 4.5 mil above cap and now seemingly not able to find us a needed top 4 defenseman.
As for goalies…well..he’s in San Jose now…thx Stan, you pompous ass.
.. slag ..
Olsen is looking like the classic not mentally processing the game at NHL speed (yet)
I see a lot I like about him, but his mind is still in AHL gear and hasn’t shifted to NHL gear yet
Our goalie went to San Jose a while back because of Capocalypse. I don’t think we were going to be able to retain him in any event.
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Well
in sheer technical cap space terms, he’s right – not having Kane is less expensive than having him, all other things being equal. It’s much easier to “afford” getting rid of players than to add them.
Oh wait, is that not what he meant?
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
So
in his world, it’s much more valuable to keep a coach around than a star player? Someone get this man a front office job, pronto.
(I just saw he said letting go of Quenneville would be the biggest mistake since letting go of him)
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Feb 15, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention
we’re talking about a coach that has done an abysmal job of getting the most of his players this year. So in order to help improve his team, get rid of one of the few players he actually trusts.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Feb 15, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
It's even more strange considering Jr's past praise of Kane.
Didn’t he once say that Kane reminded him a lot of himself? I think it’s fair to say that JR is a fair weather fan.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Feb 15, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
It's safe to say that JR
is just a shit stirrer.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
pretty much this.
JR may be a nice guy to the fans, but he’s a famewhore.
That said, I’m going to cut the next person that tells me that Kaner needs to be traded.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
holy moley
had a rough day?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
not really
but I’m hitting that breaking point with the “trade Kane” talk.
Teams are never as bad as they seem at their lowest point, so the idea of trading one of our best players because of a losing streak is idiotic.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
oh, aye
it’s just you came in here swingin’ tonight!
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think any NYR fans would be stupid enough to tell me that trading Kaner is a good idea
although I’m sure I’m going to get some bandwagon jokes.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
In all honesty there only two players, Toews and Hossa, who are utterly untouchable in my books.
I think people are foolish for wanting to trade Kane only because there’s too much risk in it. He’ll be 80-90 points a year in the majority of his contract years with us … so why trade unless you’re getting something equally elite back? YET: at that level, GMs almost never trade elite player for for elite player …. because they already have an elite player! Hossa for Heatley is the last biggie that springs to mind, and that was only because Heatley wanted out. Trading Kane is not going to net us any real gain, not unless it was pure horseshit luck.
The only thing I can think that would justify even listening to a trade proposal is if you identified a positional weakness … if you could get an elite goalie for him, say. But again: why risk it? It would be crazy. If you’re re-building, then different considerations enter into it. But not now.
www.mjt.org
that's pretty much what I think
it’s not that I think the mere idea of trading Kaner is idiotic, but the idea of trading him now. Maybe farther along the road (and I mean, years down the road, not this season), I’d understand it. I wouldn’t be thrilled, because I do like Kaner, but down the road it might make sense, depending on what we’d receive in return.
But now? That’s just stupid. And people are suggesting it mostly because of this losing streak, and I think you’d have to be an idiot to trade him now.
I understand that emotions are high and irrationality is clouding people’s judgment, but I can only hear it so many times before irrationality clouds my judgment and I accidentally punch someone in the mouth. :)
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
by ahnfire on Feb 15, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
all that and this is a freaking business!
Patrick Kane sells tickets. The franchise is relevant again. He put on a god damn superman cape at the NHL Skills Competition. 88s and 19s 19s and 88s – those are the prevalent jersey numbers that all the kids are wearing! Bill Wirtz couldn’t spell marketing if you spotted him the market and the ing. Rocky and McDonough know what they have. Kane’s not going anywhere. If he leaves as a UFA, totally different deal, but he’s not getting traded and certainly not now. I sure hope every fan that brings up this ridiculous notion will be jumping off the bandwagon soon just as Cliff mentioned so perfectly in his greened comment above.
by KingKorab on Feb 15, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone that even believes just a little bit that trading Kane is a good option
is a complete bag of piss; so just let their crazy talk roll of you.
"Knowledge is Good."
Then learn from my mistakes
Do NOT read any of the comment boards on espn, hockeybuzz or puck daddy. Slow work day for me and after that I’m pretty much ready to drink myself into a coma.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 15, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
personally,
I rarely read comments from anywhere other than SBN boards
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
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I go on HB every now and then just for a good laugh
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 15, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing unlucky about that 3rd goal, just bad technique IMO...
Not directed at anyone in particular (cough, TMFF, cough – I jest! I jest!), but the endless “it wasn’t the goalie’s fault” stuff drives me as batshit crazy as the “trade Kane” talk does others.
I know quite a few stated that the shot was a redirect by Keith, and therefore not on Emery, but even if there was a slight redirection, it shouldn’t have resulted in a goal. Emery not only got beat, he had bad form. Don’t buy all the snake oil Konroyd tries sellin’ ya.
And not to single you out TMFF, but you stated that the puck “got directed down and went 5-hole while he was perched up somewhat for a shot about 3’ off the ice.” From the video I’ve seen, it appears the puck was never more than 6 inches off the ice. Also, butterfly goalies don’t “perch up” for shots. They drop on almost everything. So IMO that narrative is incorrect.
No, I’m not saying Emery was awful, but this goal is indeed on him. He got beat by the shot. But that would’ve been OK, if he would have kept his stick in position to block the 5-hole. In Frame 4, his pads are closed and his stick is down in front. When he hits the ice, his pads open and he lifts his stick, allowing the shot to slip through. It’s a tough goal, but better form stops that shot every time.
Believe it or not, goalies get paid to also stop redirects. As a Blackhawks fan, I find this hard to believe. Maybe Corey and Ray have a clause…
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Well done
but just look where the puck was re-directed at and how many guys are in front of Emery. How is that puck not stopped? If every re-direction absolves the goalie of blame, what’s the point of ever blocking a shot?
Man, that is a horrible goal to give up. Thanks for making it as painful in 7 frames.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 15, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Heh, want a .gif that you can loop over and over and over?
Laces out, Ray!!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
That is depressing
Would love to know what the hell caused him to open the pads and move the stick right before the puck was on him
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
i can
take a crack at the reasoning behind what happened with his stick positioning. i can’t say this with 100% accuracy, because the replay video i’ve watched is not hd, and its only from the same angle as cns’ still shots, but when the shot comes off, emery sees it going on a trajectory slightly off center from his stance, and he is expecting the puck to end up somewhere low, slightly blocker side. he drops into the b-fly to keep his bottom net coverage, and moves his stick to deflect the puck to a corner, so that he won’t give up a pad rebound in the slot. problem is, puck doesn’t arrive at the spot he is anticipating at the time he is expecting.
when goalies direct a puck to the corners, they tend to do a “flick” with their goal stick (especially when it comes blocker side), so that the puck gets elevation and doesn’t stay on the ice (this is a more difficult shot to then put back on net by the other teams forwards). a drawback to this, tho, is that you lose 5 hole double coverage with your stick and emery didn’t keep a tight bfly. puck got redirected and found that seam. i tried to confirm on video, but like i said, it wasn’t hd, and it was difficult to tell where emery’s eyes went on the shot especially since its trajectory wasn’t hugely to one side, but when i put it on full screen and was hittin play/pause a bunch of times, i thought i saw a moment when emerys helmet shifted a bit from the side slightly when the puck went through him. can’t be 100% tho.
this isn’t an excuse for emery not makin the save, just what i think he might’ve been trying to do with his stick positioning.
by Raditzzzz on Feb 15, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
either way
From Emery’s reaction immediately afterwards, it was pretty clear that he knew he darfed it.
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Actually,
he admitted he should have had it. It is Craw who pretends every GA was un-save-able.
Question though
Why would Emery be attempting to “flick” the puck towards the corner, if the shot he is indeed expecting is off the ice and got deflected down? He can’t redirect a shot in the air with his stick.
Conversely, if he is recovering for the deflection, he already knows where the puck is going, no?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
i couldn't
tell from that top angle camera the height the puck was traveling at from the original shot, so i could be off on my premise, but when you see that last second flick of the stick that loses the 5 hole coverage, more often than not its because the tender is attempting to direct the puck and he blows it. i thought when i originally saw it on replay, the puck hit the heel of duncs stick, but that was just from my drunken recall from last night.
i have some vivid recollections of huet getting beat trying to do that on a few occasions. it kinda becomes a goaltending reflex for alot of tenders, good or bad.
Ah, now I understand, thanks
So basically he may have mis-timed his “flick”?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
yes!
if you want, keep a mental note on how many times you see a goaltender do this. nhl goalies are pretty damn good at it and getting pucks to the corners (a non danger zone). but when they make a mistake and mis-time it, it looks like an egregious 5 hole goal to give up to the eyes of a non tender. like there are ANY 5 hole goals that don’t look egregious, lol.
From your description
it sounds like the possibility exists that Emery just didn’t pick it up in the first place, and basically tried to guess.
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probably not
as much as my original post might suggest (after watching a few more replays). it might have had something to do with it, but definitely what cns said. the deflection probably messed up his timing at trying to direct the puck and he got caught not in a tight bfly. the reason for his bfly leaving a seam is more up for grabs, because usually that happens when you don’t think the puck going to hit you centered (and your leg cheats to the side it will hit to keep coverage), but like i said, upon a few more views, i don’t think the puck was really going off to his blocker side by very much at all.
OK
thanks for the clarification.
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by I Love Hawkey on Feb 15, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
I love how knowledgeable people on this site are
learning is fun!
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 15, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
The behind the net camera
Shows the puck bouncing off D2K stick about knee hich, while it was still rising. D2K is a little over half way between the shot and Mery, so I guestimated about 3’ at net (perhaps a little lower). Perched maybe wrong word, Crow is sitting ready for a center mass shot and to grab and cover the puck (this is why I think his arms are at his side, to quickly gather and cover) note the FWD to the center right of Ray walking in behind the D-man (with his back to him) waiting for a rebound (I think Ray saw this developing). I think Ray is set up to catch the puck center mass (2.5-3’ up) and cover it for stoppage (after a bad TO). D2K stick deflected it from rising to falling and beat him 5-hole because Ray was not anticipating that (but he probably should have).
Either way, if the shot is going high and Ray sees it like that, he is still only presenting the smallest opening, perhaps he should have had his stick there to cover, IDK. He is not offering much low at all by your pics, it was just dumb luck IMO it got through at all.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
A deflection from 15 feet out with no traffic in front should be stopped
by an NHL goalie. Particularly on a 3-on-3 in a tied game with 5 minutes left in regulation.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 15, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Dumb luck doesn't happen with better form
There’s a saying about luck, and it favors the prepared.
Not sure how a forward moving towards the net has to do with anything? So if the shot was low they would have been moving away? I’m confused. Or is this just an attempt to point out that a forward is “walking in” behind one of the Hawks awful d-men? That’s Olsen, who is actually sealing off that forward and turning to clear out any potential rebound. Good D there.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
what's the best augured from of transport?
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by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Flann, still my hero
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
mine too...
…which should come as no surprise to anyone!
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by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I think you mis read me
The FWD in the Right (Ray’s right) Circle I think Ray knew was walking in and I was just pointing out the Hawks D-man had his backed turned to him. That FWD I am saying is preping for a rebound, and to me appears unchecked by the Hawks, but he could be setting up to block him out, was not too focused on him until these screen grabs.
The low shot, I am saying, Ray I do not think was not anticipating, if he did I think his stick is in front, but maybe not, it was quick one-timer coming of the half-boards, maybe Ray just reacted as was by dropping. But I am saying to me it looks like Ray is expecting it to hit center mass and pounce to cover. I am also saying the puck was rising and even at that range at say 60-70mph, reaction to ID a deflection, track and react to it is not easy, since a deflection can change to any direction.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
BTW
I hate my work keyboard!!!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
So now
we’re letting goalies off the hook for any shot that doesn’t go exactly where they think it will?
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I freaking give up
Yup every goalie should have a 1.000 SV% and a 0.00 GAA.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
What?
You know better than this. If this was a once-in-a-while thing, we’d all accept it. But the whole point is that these sorts of goals happen too much these days to be fluky.
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I'm all for giving the goalies the benefit of the doubt
but on this goal, you’re being obtuse. We’re not talking about some magic bullet that deflected off Keith, off the boards, and over Emery’s shoulder. From 60 feet the shot was released, it was deflected about 20 feet out with no traffic in front. The puck went from chest high to ice level. That has to be stopped every time.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 15, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I argued the same thing earlier
in the season with a goal that changed direction a good distance in front of the goalie in elevation but not side to side and everyone felt that any shot that is redirected was not on the goalie.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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My whole thing is
Any time the Puck is deflected, the difficulty in stopping it grown exponentially. If CNS did sequential frame grabs, that is less the 3 frames from D2K to past Emery. At 30fps that is less then 1/10th of a second to react to a change in direction. at 24fps it is less then 0.125 seconds. Do you know how incredibly fast that happens?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
He's an NHL goalie
and a butterfly goalie at that. His entire goaltending style is dedicated to stopping shots like Ryan Ellis’.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 15, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
I am not going to be a big defender of the Goalies
Because Crow well is sucking bad, and Emery is maybe average. BUT with that said, I think it is also unfair to only pin the Hawks woes on those two men, or even a big portion on them.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Oh it's perfectly fair to pin the majority of it on them
This team has been in desperate need of a goalie, not bailing them out, but just making a routine save to keep them going. They haven’t done it.
Other than the Colorado game with the numerous odd man rushes, it’s not like they’ve left their goalies high and dry. And besides, the game was still tied in that Colorado game even with all the odd man rushes.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 15, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
About those odd-man rushes
Yeah, that is something else they have more Goals against then for on for the season.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
And that would be the definition of having a goalie bail them out
Which they also haven’t received.
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by El Duque's Raft on Feb 15, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
So you're not only reviewing every goal this season
you’re also going over every game and counting odd-man rushes to calculate percentages?
Because if you’re claiming the Hawks give up more odd-man rush goals than the opposition without context, you may be proving John’s exact point.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
So far I have sampled 33% of Hawks games and cataloged each goal for and against
My next step is to sample a sufficient portion of other NHL games for a baseline to assess if the sample is sufficient and if enough substantial differences occur and do further analysis. So I do not know how it compares to the league AVG, just to the Hawks at this point.
Here are some prelim results I have (Note: non-filtered some Goals may have 2 locations)
% of Goals For : Against
Off TO 20.0 : 31.8
1-Timer 25.0 : 34.8
Scramble 6.7 : 13.6
Odd Man Rush 3.3 : 7.6
Low Slot: 41.7 : 25.8
Crease: 16.7 : 22.7
Circle: 31.7 : 19.7
Point: 3.3 : 19.7
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
This also shows hoe bad our D are on shots from the point.
We have one player who can pose a threat from that position on the ice. No good for a top NHL team.
It's possible I might be misinterpreting the data...
But these numbers support the belief that the goalies are largely to blame, no?
If you’re looking at the percentage of goals allowed on odd man rushes that’s ENTIRELY an indictment of the goalie. The fact that Hawks goalies are given up goals on odd man rushes at a rate over twice as high as they are scoring, is a strong indicator that the Hawks have a problem in net, right?
Assuming, of course, the sample size is large enough.
by amonte's awesome on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and "Point: 3.3 : 19.7"
Hawks are giving up 600% more goals from the point than their opposition based on TMFF’s data.
I’m assuming this including shots from center ice.
Defense needs to tighten up!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
No Center Ice separate (>60')
Not included here, too small of a number of occurrences to be really useful or ENG which I remove from these.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 16, 2012 4:55 AM CST up reply actions
I don't understand why you would exclude shots > 60'?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 16, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
They are not excluded
Just a different Category, right now the number of occurences of a goal beyond the Blue line with a goalie in net is too insufficient to mention (1 in over 200 Goals combined). The only goals outright excluded are ENG and Shootout goals.
BTW I am not analyzing all shots, just goals. Shots would be just more time then I could dedicate to this.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 16, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Don't get too gitty guys,
I am also showing the amount of low cross ice one-timers given up to be substantially higher then the Hawks, and the Hawks are higher then the small control I have gotten so far, THAT is also a defensive problem.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 16, 2012 5:11 AM CST up reply actions
On the Odd man rush thing
I am willing to bet the League average of Goalie SV% on Odd-man rushes is probably somewhere between 70-80% (IDK for sure though), well below the total AVG. If so this means it is a high quality scoring chance, the fact they happen is a Defensive miscue. If a goalie with a 0.900 SV% faces 30 SOG he will be 27/30 (3.00 GA), if the same goalie only faced Odd-man rushes he would be 21-24/30 (6.00-9.00 GAA). How can the goalie be the only one blammed? The defense pucked up and allowed it too happen, they deserve blame too IMO. Now if a goalie allows MORE per chance, it is a larger indictment of the goalie, but still does not leave the defense blameless that so many occur in the first place.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 16, 2012 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
But this only shows goals, not attempts
So from what you’re showing, it doesn’t conclude anything that you’re stating here.
Hawks would have to be giving up more than twice as many odd-man rushes for your argument to hold any water that it’s not on the goalies – and much more than that to put it on the defense.
Based on statements like yours above, it really seems that you’re going about this with a set conclusion already in mind and that reduces the remaining objectivity in what is already a subjective study.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 16, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
No
The numbers will stand with by themselves. I will normalize them a couple-few ways in addition for comparrison purposes, but in the end it is up for each to draw their own conclussion. I have (had) suspicions of what I would see, some I thought I would I do not see, others I have seen that I suspected, and some I see I did not expect.
As for my immediatley preceeding statement, I would not argue your points, but was simply disagreeing that an Odd-man Rush is all on the goalie, IMO those are higher chance situations for the offense out of its nature so on the whole for every goalie I expect a lower SV% on them then their AVG, and the rush is the result of defensive fault usually.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 16, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't the argument
just that he needed to have his paddle down and his knees together? Goalie novice here, but that seems like basic technique, which if done properly, would’ve likely stopped the puck. Yes, redirects increase difficulty, but it wasn’t a positioning question, just a fairly basic technique error. Maybe I’m not getting this though.
by Katherine215 on Feb 15, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Sort of I guess
I guess that more depends on what he was anticipating. I would have preffered it there honestly.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yet
A shot from only 6-8 feet out, and Corey has time to make a glove save.
That’s obviously last year’s model, before they introduced the new and improved Edsel. You’ll love it!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
ALOT went wrong on this goal
From Olsen to the cross ice pass, shot, deflection and getting by Ray. Should Ray have stopped it? Perhaps, is that one of those shots you can should reasonbly stop 100% of the time, I think not. I would be willing to bet Ray is not happy with it, and I would also wager if Ray faces 10 of those set up, he stops far more then he lets in.
I just do not buy that this is the type of goal a goalie should be lit up for, there have been far worse to get bent out of shape over. I just feel when a puck is deflected, it is much harder for a goalie to stop given its dynamics, and if they make a stop that is GREAT, if they don’t it sucks. I just have a hard time getting bent out of shape over that aspect, it does not mean I am happy with it. I am more bent out of shape over what lead up to the shot in the first place, because that shot should NEVER have happened then and there to begin with.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure you're the only one getting bent out of shape here
And no one’s “lighting up” the goalies. (except the opposition, doh!)
Just an FYI, I’m gonna bow out of this discussion.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
"Do you know how incredibly fast that happens?"
Fast. So what? This is just a pathetic argument. He’s an NHL goalie, not some guy off the street.
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Really????
He is a PRO and a human being, not SUPERMAN. My God how many MLB players have gotten hit in the head because they could not react fast enough, and they are watching the ball the whole way with an ideal background to pick it up and track it, and the have 6-8 x’s the amount of time Ray had here.
Ray is still human, and cannot be expected to be 100% perfect.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Again
No one’s calling for the 1.000 Sv%. Everyone understands these things happen. Everyone but you seems to think that it “just happens” at a disturbingly high frequency.
I mean, look – just in the course of this thread, you’ve gone from saying that “the Hawks forced a shot they wanted [Ellis] to take”, to saying that the shot “should NEVER have happened then and there to begin with”.
All I’m saying is that the defense allowed an innocuous shot. They did their job. Emery did not.
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Put another way
Screw 100% – I’ll settle for 90% on a consistent basis.
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The shot should never have happened
But the situation occurred where it did, and they forced the best one possible for the Hawks in the situation.
Quite the contrary I think they happen too often, but I also lay blame on the defense, not just the goalies, it is both of these pieces performing subpar not just one of them.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
OK time for a question
when was the last time Emery stopped a great shot and/or redirect and/or rebound attempt? Yeah, I don’t remember, either. So looking at this in a macro sense, he’s just got to stop SOME of these kinds of shots, yes?
I think he actually stopped 1 or 2 last night.
But I was not specifically watching for redirects/deflections though. So I could not give a definitive answer.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I understand both points of view on that shot
but while my memory’s gone to hell during this losing streak and can always be quite subjective, I just don’t remember our goalies making any critically important saves, either at the beginning, middle or near the end of games. So when a goal like that occurs it just seems more grist for the mill that our goaltenders really suck right now.
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has a hard time understanding the lack of validity of the slippery-slope argument.
by stanfordron on Feb 15, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Ray knew there was an opposing player in the vicinity, so instead of giving up a bad rebound, he just let it go in!
When Emery got to the bench, you can clearly see Q telling him it was the right decision because no NHL Blackhawks goalie should be expected to make a save with a forward within 20 feet of the crease.
Next, Q went to the press and let them know “The goaltending’s fine. The D needs to tighten things up…Oh, and Corey’s in net on Thursday. I’m going with the hot hand.”
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
IMO
The fact the puck went past Ray is only HALF the issue on this play. This goal came directly off a poor turnover that set this whole series of events in motion. A wiser descision there and none of this happens, because at least the puck is cleared and the zone is reset. Instead a bad play gave NSH time and space to make something happen, and they cashed in on it.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you're set on this, just giving you shit
But turnovers happen, over 100 per game in fact. Not all result in goals.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
There are takeaways, giveaways
Then you have turnovers. Too many of the goals against the Hawks this year have come off TO’s ~32% give or take, over 1 per game. This needs to stop!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Assuming that 32% stat is right
How does it compare to other teams? It’s a useless number without context.
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Still working on that
But the Hawks are in the low 20’s.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Either way
I wonder how important that stat is. How does it correlate with puck possession?
Seems to me that a team that has possession of the puck more often will allow more goals off turnovers, for the simple reason that if your team is bad at getting control of the puck in the first place, they have fewer opportunities for turnovers. Thus, all other things being equal, they’ll give up both more goals and therefore a lower percentage of goals off turnovers.
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We'll see
Still do not have enough data to really draw any conclusion, just be able to note differences. If I do finish this, it will break down to the per 100 SOG to help eliminate some of these variables, and break it down by leading, tied, trailing, EV, PP, PK, period, Ray or Crow, etc……..
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like a lot of work for nothing, IMO
Not meant as a slam, just wondering how any of that would be useful.
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Curiosity mainly
It also stems in part from our previous argument of “Shot Quality” and my total dislike of using Regression in sport (or most largely human controlled, large variance/variable) stats.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
But goals off turnovers
is not really connected to “shot quality” anyway. Just sounds like statistical wheel-spinning to me.
And I can’t even guess how you think this is connected to “regression”, but then in every conversation on the topic I’ve seen here, you’ve completely misunderstood that concept anyway.
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SQ is part of it
Not the whole deal of what I am doing. If I am breaking down goals, more than that will be pulled.
As for regression, I understand it, but do not like it in sports. I see too much wrong with it based on the nature of the beast. I know it has not connection here, that is why I am looking at this path. The reason I mentioned it, is also looking to see if this may be something that helps break data that may be contrary to regression.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
To clarify a little more
It is the use of regression from league stats and applying it to individual teams (or even using a base average to adjust). On a team or individual level, I think it is somewhat to fully valid, since it is those means that need should be measured and calculated for, not on the league as a whole, if this makes any sense.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
"if this makes any sense"
Nope, sorry.
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Okay big flick
Use regression on a team based off its performance alone, not the league. Each team is its own entity.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
In one of my first stats posts
nothing correlated higher with goal differential… I’d say it’s pretty darn important.
by VerStig on Feb 15, 2012 2:54 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Not sure what you mean
TMFF is not talking goal differential here…
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If I understand correctly
the more TOs a team commits, the worse their GD is, compared to say takeaways, FO%, SOG, etc….. IIRC.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
But you're not even saying that the Hawks commit a lot of turnovers
because they really don’t.
You’re saying that the percentage of goals the Hawks allow off turnovers is high. But that in itself tells us nothing.
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unless it's higher than the control group that TMFF talked about.
Than it means something.
Like they are out of position to deal with a turnover ie. no backside support.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Nope
In order to study that, you’d have to measure the percentage of turnovers that lead to goals, not the percentage of goals that come after turnovers.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Nope
Number of turnovers/number of goals allowed off turnovers <> number of goals/number of goals off turnovers
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
where am I misinterpreting what you typed?
you’d have to measure the percentage of turnovers that lead to goals, not the percentage of goals that come after turnovers.
Had to block quote you even though it’s right up there. I think you may have mistyped, cuz y’all don’t mean what you say.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
if you're going to blockquote it
You might as well at least read it. TMFF knew what I was saying.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
I am reading it.
you’d have to measure the percentage of turnovers that lead to goals, not the percentage of goals that come after turnovers.
See
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Since explaining it outright the first time didn't help
The former takes the total number of turnovers, and determines how many of those turnovers lead to goals. Say a team commits 100 total turnovers, and 10 of those lead to goals. That gives us a percentage of 10%.
The latter takes the overall number of goals the team has allowed, whether off turnover or not. Let’s say that the team has allowed 30 total goals – because you’ll notice that the number of total goals will be different than their number of turnovers – and 10 of those, as we know, came off turnovers. That gives us a percentage of 33%.
See, they’re different numbers! In other words, this means that the numbers are not equal.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
NO, that is not what you typed.
It may be what you mean, but it sure as hell is not what you typed for us to read.
you’d have to measure the percentage of turnovers that lead to goals, not the percentage of goals that come after turnovers.
Where does this say total goals scored divided by turnovers
Hold my stones I'm on IR
your reading comprehension
it is bad.
“Percentage of turnovers that lead to goals” = number of turnovers divided by number of goals scored after turnovers
“Percentage of goals that came after turnovers” = number of goals scored divided by number of goals scored after turnovers
Just like I said.You see, the words after “percentage of” in each case was different. If it helps, the word “different” means “not the same”.
Although tbh I’m pretty sure you’re trolling at this point anyway.
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No I'm trolling that Pekker dude, not you
But honestly I think TMFF is on to something. I’ll bet the Hawks give up more goals after turnovers than the average, but we shall see.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Getting a rough idea of total team TOs is not hard
Use that compared to goals off of TOs.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I get for jumping into a random conversation
I’m not sure what we’re measuring, I was just pointing out giveaways and takeaways do matter.
I have no idea what’s going on so, uh, carry on!
by VerStig on Feb 15, 2012 3:03 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Was this a PP goals?
I’m looking……..NO, it was not. Where are the forwards? Who is covering the slot? Who is covering the defenseman? Wait, here he comes, after the shot. Who is that Forward? I’m watching video now…….but it doesn’t work in firefox for me
Emery could have had better tech, but where the fuck is the rest of his team?
Hold my stones I'm on IR
I want to say that this occurred during or shortly after a line change
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Trying to break out on an offensive rush
All this happened after a terrible blind pass/clearing attempt from behind the net by Olsen
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Going the other way in transition
This set up occured only a few secons after a TO. Olsen had the puck, the Hawks I think broke and then gift wrapped it to NSH.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
gift wrapped?
some nobody d-man firing from “the Frolik zone”?
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by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
sarcasm to a point
But Olsen did send it to a Pred with no Hawks around, giving time and space, this is not a good thing by any means.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Come on
Get off it, seriously. Defenses are supposed to force shots like that, 25 feet out and no traffic in front, with two d-men between the goal and the nearest Predator. Ellis did the Hawks a favor by taking that shot – if Frolik had done it, it would have been soaked up without incident, and we’d all be talking about how he needs to cut that shit out.
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I agree with this.
With what happened, the HAwks forced a shot they wanted him to take, that almost anyother time is stopped.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
This is really the direct problem.
During a game there are going to be turnovers and other bad decisions. After all, they are trying to control a round puck with a slightly curved stick on a sheet of ice while moving quickly on ice skates.
The issue is the quality of the scoring chance that follows. And frankly, without pointing to which specific ones should have been saved, we are giving up a ton of goals on an array of low quality chances.
Nobody forced him to take that shot, man.
He took a bad one, he could have skated in if he wanted to. Who was going to intervene? A d man. I say again, where is the rest of the team?
Hold my stones I'm on IR
???
He skates the puck in and then what? Fires a different low-percentage shot from the boards? Or makes a pass, by which time the forwards are back in position?
It just wasn’t a dangerous situation, man.
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Watch the replay.
Bickell leaves the slot to cover a guy Bolland a Hossa have covered. He skates way out of position. Watch it. He cann get back to Ellis, which is his responsibility. Elles could have walked toward Keith. Keith would have had to take him. The slot is wide open. He can shoot from closer or he can pass to eiother of two guys, whichever is open.
I do agree with CNS that Emery should have made this save, but uncontested shots are never a good thing.
If Bickell stays with the guy in the slot, he is closer to Ellis and will contest the shot from in front of Ellis.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Ha ha
If anyone “contests” the shot, then we all hear about how Emery was screened! Or God forbid he gets a partial block…
Look, all I’m saying is, the defense held NSH to 19 shots last night. Even for NSH, that’s a low number. So I’m not quite prepared to wonder “where the fuck” the defense was was after some guy scores on one of the most innocuous of those 19 shots.
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I did not say where the fuck was the defense
I’m saying on this PLAY Bickell overcommits to the puck (Bolland’s guy), and first leaves a guy wide open in the slot and second cannot recover to get the guy on the blue line or the guy in the slot.
BTW – the shot was partially blocked.
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"BTW – the shot was partially blocked."
I know – and you see where that got us in this thread.
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in summary
blame is apportioned as follows:
Bickel: 25%
Olsen: 25%
Keith: 15%
Quenneville: 15%
Bowman: 10%
John Scott: 7%
Emery: 3%.
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by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Also
the beat writers, for not getting to the bottom of it. Now we see what happens when a compliant press lets management run amok.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
I believe in
Joint and several liability.
Or in this order
Bowman
Quenneville
Emery
Bickell
Scott
Hull #9 for leaving
Chelios
Roenick because he’s a douche.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
We need this breakdown for every goal
Blame for everybody! Grab yer pitchforks!
by VerStig on Feb 15, 2012 3:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Huh?
The two d-men have the forwards. Bickell’s coming over late to cover the shooter. It was a cross ice pass that bounced off the boards before Ellis shoots it, so everyone was on the previous strong side of the play – since leaving Ellis uncovered at the blue line should be harmless, right?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
bickel bickel bickel
You’re my boy, Blue Travis!
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by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
If we are talking about the same goal,
I think that other D-man was Shaw’s to cover. Shaw was cheating to an open portion of the ice hoping to get a breakaway if Bickell came up with the puck. Bickell didn’t and Shaw was way too late getting to his man.
by stanfordron on Feb 15, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
It was Bolland and Hossa out there, no Shaw
#ShawFactsChecker
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Who was the Hawk hovering
at the far point?
Thanks for this. Very informative/painful. Painformative.
stay still. shut up. pay attention. adopt as signature moves.
bitches couldn't possibly know about my modal epistemology
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by JuliaM on Feb 15, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
a few things
it looks a bit like Ray may have been partially screened
second, doesn’t it seem that Keith is kind of nonchalant if emery does make the save. I’m thinking Middle Mustard Man easily beats Keith to any rebound.
third, the puck was a seeing eye single
Thanks for the post CNS – love these
Some optimism (just because I'm tired of being angry/suicidal over the Hawks)
The Hawks haven’t won a game in 3 months weeks or so, and yet, they’re still in 6th place in the conference. Yes, everyone behind is catching up to them, and everyone above keeps winning, but they’re STILL in 6th place. While the division is probably out of reach, they can/should still be able to finish in the top 8 and (BIG optimism here) be playing quality hockey by April. This streak WILL end soon, and the Hawks will be playing better. (Just keep repeating that last line over and over…)
Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?
The difference between 6th and 9th right now is almost nil.
Next 4 games the Hawks have the Rangers-Jackets-Blues and Red Wings.
I laugh at your optimism!
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Feb 15, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
And his thinking
that this team is better than it really is.
by stanfordron on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
It will never end.
you are a chicago sports fan.
You have chosen the way of pain.
by oregon_hawk on Feb 15, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, I try to inject a little hope
and y’all just shoot me down.
Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?
I saw that! (and lol'd)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
How bad do i feel
Crow in net tomorrow.
Yes, lets totally see Crow vs Lundqvist.
(not that it matters between Crow and Emery)
Lundqvist is dreamy in more ways than one.
So
for the 150th consecutive game, we will not have the better goaltender of the two teams on the ice.
by stanfordron on Feb 15, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I watched the Suter goal again
this morning and does anyone else think Toews could have attempted to disrupt Suter’s shot rather than coasting towards the net?
Not calling him out but rather just making an observation.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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It looked to me that after the pass went to Suter
Toews may have had time to at least attempt to disrupt the shot.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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he looked out of gas
We all know Kane is just lazy…so no blame for him
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The pressing and frustration
are is killing them right now. Playing a solid game last nigh and still losing made it that much worse. I really don’t know what this team is gonna’ have to do or what is gonna’ have to happen for the skid to end.
I mean for all intents and purposes they played a good simple roadie last night and still got squat.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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pretty bad game from Cap'n there IMO
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by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
He's operating at no better than 80%
Which sucks.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Feb 15, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Crawford starts Thursday
I don’t get it.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM CST reply actions
Huet not available for a couple weeks yet
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by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
It's like Q's rationale is to rotate them until one of them wins a game
I’d rather he just go with the guy that was playing better. Crawford was beyond awful in San Jose. Ray gave up one shitty goal last night but was otherwise capable.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Totally Agree.
I don’t get Q’s rationale by rotating goalie’s every game. Just stick w/ the one that’s playing better at the moment (which is Emery, but that’s not saying much) and grind it out til you get a win.
It's not obvious to me that Razor's playing better
They’re both hovering around .900 SV% before factoring the ludicrous softies they’re allowing. Razor gave up three goals in 22 shots last night – imagine if he was playing against a good offense.
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Crawford's ESSV has dropped EIGHT percent since the turn of the calendar
0.841 at ES? That’s not even AHL quality. Ray gave up 1 bad goal last night. The other two were quality chances, especially the first.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
last five games
Crawford: .854 SV%
Emery: .866 SV%
Crawford’s faced 130 shots; the difference over that total between the two essentially equals a difference of 1.5 goals. I just don’t see more than a marginal difference.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Even-strength save %
Not overall. Crawford was at 0.933% as of Dec 31. He’s compiled a lovely .0851% since then. Special teams save percentages can vary greatly from season to season, goalie to goalie. ESSV is a more indicative barometer. Crawford has been downright bad at even strength in 2012.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Understood
But we’re talking about the hot hand here, which is by definition a short-term gauge.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
None of last night's GA
were quality chances. We should have won 2-0.
Were you taking a nap during the first two goals?
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
No.
Emery’s inability to go left-to-right at an NHL-quality level does not turn an SOG into a quality shot. The second one was a simple straight away shot, glove side. The NHL average save percentage on that type shot is about .999. How many of those did Renne pikka-off on us yesterday? I recall we had several like that and not a single one got through (or even created a rebound).
Which goal?
The last one? Should have had it anyway. It went through a hole that should not have existed.
The first goal was a very nice passing play and Ray was screened
2nd goal he was not only screened but had it deflected in front. Maybe an elite goaltender makes those saves. We don’t have one. Those were both tough saves to make.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
The first goal
I thought Toews could have done a little more to maybe at least contest Suter’s shot instead of coasting towards the net
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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Right
Box-score reading fail
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
I agree
Emery is playing better right now but his high-end is tremendously low – not high enough for playoff contention.
I just wish Craw would stay in his crease
He’s so much better when he does. Of course, the problem is that he isn’t.
by oregon_hawk on Feb 15, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
i just see zero chance of Ray being the guy
while Crow still has a shot of getting his shit together at the 11th hour.
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Crawford in net tomorrow.
I can’t take much more of this.
by Skags on Feb 15, 2012 12:50 PM CST via Android app reply actions
sadly
I’ve stopped hoping for crawford to turn it around before the next season.
I just don’t believe in epiphany moments in real life. Only in movies.
by oregon_hawk on Feb 15, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Here is what is awesome
We will win in NY tomorrow – Hawks 3, Rangers 2
Then riding that we will slap Columbus – Hawks 4, BJs 0
(goalie confidence builds)
Then we will beat St. Louis and Detroit in grand homecoming fashion and the parade planning can resume.
Optimism
would be a great name for a brand of beer….or vodka….or any other alcohol
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by westy99 on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Optimism!
It’s always half-full!
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
cliff, one day when my "Optimism" home brew is famous and I'm rolling in dough...
I’ll add an asterisk and link to this comment.
(my comment, not yours of course, cuz I’m an asshole)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I just copywrote the name Optimism
you will owe me a %
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asshole(r)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Parade raining
Or they whack NY something like 5-2, then lose to Columbus.
Potential mitigating factor: that’s what last year’s team would have done, and this is a new season.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
As much as it pains me to say it,
I think they lose both.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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You know what?
I’m jumping on board with this! (Even if you are being sarcastic.) I’ve been feeling so negative towards this team and staff but I’m exhausted by that. For my own health I (for a moment at least) am going to forget about the last 9 games.
Big game tomorrow boys, LET’S GO HAWKS!!!
"Looks like I picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue"
by itsevolutionbaby on Feb 15, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I say we part with a few draft picks for Zidlicky and Gill.
When I decide to change my personality I will let you know what I become.
by Blackhawks Transplant on Feb 15, 2012 1:18 PM CST reply actions
I wouldn't mind Zidlicky
If I had a written guarantee from Q that he would replace Sharp on the PP point with him. But I won’t get that, and Marek would probably end up a forward at some point.
I’ll pass on Gill.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Feb 15, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
FWIW:
Zidlicky is the worst defensive defenseman in the NHL. Seen it with my own eyes for years. While he MIGHT help on the PP’s second pairing, my understanding is that y’all’s defensemen beyond Keith and Seabrook are a big reason for the Hawks’ poor play right now. Goalie issues notwithstanding.
Zidlicky will make that part of y’all’s game worse, not better.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
I understand pronouncing y'all.
But actually typing it?
That would be like us typing : DAT Q SUX AND DEY SHOULDA TRADED DAT CAIN YEARS AGO
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Funny you bring up Jordan
I grew up a Piston fan…loved Isiah and Dumars. Those were some great batttles we had. Good thing we got old or “Mr. Overrated” would never have won a champoinship, let alone six against watered down competition.
Just ribbin’ ya, don’t go postal on me.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, I could care less about the NBA anymore.
But the NBA of the late 80s and early 90s was priceless entertainment.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
yes, definitely
I think many here have the same feelings about the nba nowadays. But, MJ still carries a lot of weight here in Chicago.
Let's Go Hawks!
That was back when there was some sort of distinction to the NBA
Now it’s just a bunch of people staging wild shenanigans for ratings and money. There’s a lot of posturing but I think the best thing that could happen for the NBA was what happened with the Heat. Now the NBA has an enemy and anyone that goes against them is the good guy.
I, on the other hand, could not care less
about your difficulty with the English language or your love for the classless Pistons.
Also, FYI, when I read your handle, I pretend to speak with a Boston accent.
Example: “What’s up, Pekka-head?”
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Feb 15, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ha!
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Awwwww ain't that cute?
You still pissed about the Jordan Rules?
Open your mind bro, there are many ways to butcher the English language. The least of which is by saying or typing y’all.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
RFA
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
He was
And he is this year too. Suter played in the NHL a year before Weber did, that’s why he’s a UFA.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
see reply below
I don’t get all the rules either….
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know all the nuances of free agency.......
…..but when Weber went to arbitration this year, he had the option of making it a one year deal or a two year deal. He chose one, so next year he’ll go up for arbitration again for a new deal, that is if him and the Preds don’t come to a deal on their own.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Then you definitely wouldn’t be bitchin’ about how bad y’all’s defense is.
Correction though:
Suter-Weber
Keith-Seabs
Whomever.
There is no better pair than Suber-Weber. You know this, maybe it was just a typo.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
How many shots did the hawks have last night?
32. Y’allville had 19.
I’ll give Weber the edge barely over Seabs, but not Suter over Keith.
“Allright we’ll call it a draw”.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
by laaarmer on Feb 15, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, too bad we have a goalie who can stop shit.
Or y’all woulda won 8-3.
No way on the d-men. Weber barely over Seabs? Cmon man, get real with that. Appreciate your loyalty to your own guys though.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Weber has a better beard
But Seabs hair is 2nd to none. They play the exact same game.
I say the edge to Weber barely. Now go get some grits and sausage grave with biscuits.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Mmmmmm..........
Collared greens, mac-n-cheese, fried chicken.
And I thought you were talking about hockey, not men’s body hair. OK, Weber by a nose(hair).
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
"Y’allville"
Laughed so hard, I teared up.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
I was not referring to your use of the second person plural
which I think is legitimate.
Your problem is that your hierarchy of caring is upside-down, pekka-head.
I will leave the solution to this cryptic comment as an exercise for the reader.
We like our people!
A cunning linguist indeed.
You must be one of the dudes who teaches Canadians how to speak English when they come to the States.
Eh?
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Dear Pekka Lover
Honestly, I could care less about the NBA anymore.
This means that you care about the NBA and you have (rather clumsily) proclaimed that your caring, whatever amount is more than none at all, will be an ongoing condition as of your statement.
Also, y’all can also be considered second person singular…it’s just that powerful. It has two uses.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
the game is volleyball these days
really, there is absolutely no physicalness to it anymore, at least when it comes to drives to the basket. I know D Rose is a great player, but if he tried those moves back in the day his back would’ve gone out a lot sooner than it did. Just ask Isiah what happened when he tried to drive the lane on Malone – or if MJ drove against anyone during his peak years. It got out of hand when you look at DET and the Knicks, but now it’s just patty cakes.
ha ha
Meathead.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Why wouldn't I type that?
It’s like asking a flower to not be beautiful.
Y’all haters keep on hatin’. Just weighing in on y’all’s assertion that you could use Zidlicky to unfuck the GodAwful mess that is y’all’s “team” right now.
I said after we pouned y’all twice before the ASG, and y’all made up every excuse in the book why we beat y’all, that we’d see what kind of team y’all are AFTER the ASG on y’all’s 9 game road trip.
Turns out I’m a prophet of sorts. Don’t shoot the messenger, shoot the message.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
First off:
You’d better concentrate on WINNING ONE GAME before talking about booting us out of the playoffs.
Secondly, it’d have to be in the WCF unless all 3 top seeds lose, so it ain’t gonna happen. Ouch, I just thought about Erat’s centering pass in game 5…………..
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
"You’d better concentrate on WINNING ONE GAME before talking about booting us out of the playoffs."
Ha ha. Must be easy to talk while backing a team with the glorious playoff history of the Nashville Predators.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
by Brian C on Feb 15, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm also a Rams fan......
…….but you wouldn’t ever catch me bashing the Falcons because of the Greatest Show on Turf years.
You are what you are, which is sucky.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Weak
The Preds narrowly edge a team whose playing in the seventh game of a roadtrip and at their lowest point of the season. And all of the sudden it’s all like, “Whee! So this is what rooting for someone other than Nashville must be like!”
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Where were you when we beat you back to back right before the ASG?
First place, right?
Any time, any place.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Go buy a Springsteen record and try and recapture some of the "Glory Years"
Congrats for winning the Cup. But you are what you are.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Hey brag when you win something other than game 57 of the season dude.
We’ll see you and your trap game in the playoffs. 32 shots will not bode well for you or your team in the playoffs no matter how tall you goalie is.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
He's more than tall dude.
He’s elite too. Oh what you’d give for one of them………………..
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Let me tell you a story about goalies who play great in the reg season
they are not named Roy, Brodeur, or Dryden
They are Esposito (sorry it’s for shock value), Luongo, Nabokov.
They are potential and for sure hall of famers, but 3 have it and 3 don’t.
Pekka Rinne
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Should read that Pekke Rinne does NOT have it
And it’s best to keep you fucking mouth shut until he and your team does have it. Then you can say whatever the fuck you want. Until then, shut the fuck up and enjoy your team.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Too bad only Boston's got it :(
Or you’d have a leg to stand on.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
And that's got to be why y'all aren't sitting around here wishing you had a good goaltender, right?
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Ok Pekka is a great goalie
Hell ya I would love to have him but not at 7 million of what they will be paying him. But you talk a lot of shit for a team that hasn’t made it passed the 2nd round…
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Twas a great series for sure.........
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
no it was not
The Preds sucked ass during that series. Most of us were rooting badly for them to win, and they screwed the pooch.
I meant the Nuck-Hawk series.
Vancouver is a buncha diving wining bitches. Can’t believe the chickenwing Kesler did to Weber, and Luongo’s dive earlier in game 3.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
this "character"
has to go.. trolling the Hawks is one thing, now he’s trolling westy and that’s our job!
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
We win game 3 and it goes to a game 7
Where anything can happen………..
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
sure
because they suddenly would have stopped Kesler…oh wait, they didn’t and he won the series singlehandedly?
Come on PfPP. It was not a couple plays you did not like that decided that series, was it?
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi. I think he was a Canucks fan...
@Vancitydan Writer at Nucks Misconduct
Hi Dan, good to hear from you again.
LOL!
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
We made it past the first round more recently than y'all have.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
a runaway leader
for the most flaccid comeback comment of the week.
perhaps in Nashville this sort of crap passes for wit tho.
We like our people!
soon to be heard
in a playground near you..
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
They have a few
They deserved it last year. They won enough playoffs games to win the title.
Your team is above .500 and ahead of our team. You better hope nothing happens to your goalie. It’s a long way to the end and he’s going to see a lot of play from here on out.
And Jrs23 is right. * mil for a goalie. Ask Vancouver or Huet how that is working out.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Huet 5.6 mil
YEZ!.
They say defense wins championships and pekker better hope so, cuz that many mil for a guy that cain’t score is a lot of dough.
y’all come back now.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
The goals he saves are worth what?
Cause he wins us a lotta games. Remember that final scores are a function of goals scored and goals allowed.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
That could not be further from the truth.
I ain’t gonna compete with that kinda madness. He wins us half of our games.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
He has not scored a goal all season
How does he win games? He keeps you in games right now so you have a chance to win.
He is a goaltender.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
by laaarmer on Feb 16, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more about Rinne staying healthy.
We’re dead in the water without him, just like y’all are right now without an NHL caliber goalie.
And for the kinda game we play, Pekka is worth every one of them $7M.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
not really
The Preds have no offence to speak of and will likely lost one of their best defenseman over the summer.
Yeah, our PP is only #3 in the NHL.
No offense here though. Better go look at offensive stats again. This ain’t your older brother’s Preds.
Knock on wood.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Um too bad we're not talking about the summer.
And you’ll lose Toews in 15 years but I’m not even gonna go there.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, we should probably just trade him for Boland, since he has a cup.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Duuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
This is funny
Wishful thinking? Stanley Cup Champion Nashville Predators
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
"And the Hockey Gods were Sorely Offended
..and Much Enraged and their Wrath was Terrible"
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Photoshop job
lol
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
They didn't say what year
futuristic thinking maybe….2035
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
Omniscient-ism.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Guess that would be "Glory Days"
#Springsteenology
General miscreant, ne'er do well and hockey dilettante. Not to be trusted or believed under any circumstances.
I was fired up.
Typo, glad you get it though. And he does talk about “trying to recapture a little of the glory years.”
Or something like that.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
classic misunderstanding
BodomSlayer is just a fan- he doesn’t actually play for the Hawks, so I’m not too concerned with what he’s concentrating on.
We like our people!
They were just playing with you
Now you’re being a dickish troll.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 15, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just playin' too ;)
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I second that
and then the winner gets Det in the second round
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
Abandon all hope, ye trolls who enter here. You're presence will not be tolerated.
This losing streak has me in a vendetta kinda mood. You tell the angels in heaven you never seen evil so singularly personified as you did in the face of the man who banned you.
In defense of "y'all"
When you use it, even without a terrible horrible drawl, nothing else sounds right. Is the “proper” thing to say “you guys”? I honestly cannot even think that. It’s “y’all” forever. “You all” is worse.
how about just dropping the "all"?
and making it “your”
I am a meat popsicle
Negligent caretaker of SCH for Dummies
SCH's resident 8 year old
by LanceFister3 on Feb 15, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
sometimes y'all is singular
and the plural is “all y’all”.
now why don’t all y’all leave me to my whittlin’?
We like our people!
Now you're gettin' it Cliff!
Atta boy!
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Chicago style.
All youze guys.
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."
- Laurence J. Peter
I might switch to "Ye"
and get all Hibernian up ins
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
I type
Y’all all the time.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
by DesertHawk on Feb 15, 2012 6:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
The Andersonvillians don't get it.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 15, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'm watching the replay of Wings vs Stars
My god these guys don’t quit. They are completely ‘on’ from start to finish, it is rather incredible and scary.
I don’t like John Scott at forward, at defense, or really as a Blackhawk. I also don’t believe in the theory that he has to be out there or our superstars will get whack around terribly. There’s got to be someone in Rockford that can benefit this team more than Frankenstein on skates.
Can we keep him in the orginization
In some kind of fan oriented non-hockey related position only? He is thoroughly entertaining otherwise lol.
Tommy Hawk?
Never Die Easy.
Basking in the (rare occurances of) Chicago sports glory on Twitter: @nextsportsguy.
Joey could sit on Scott's shoulders
Like master blaster
thunderdomed
by pang off the post on Feb 15, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Scott...forward
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
by westy99 on Feb 15, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
that dog is adorable
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 15, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
The perplexed look on his face
is priceless. It’s like he is actually thinking about the ramifications of John Scott as a forward.
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
its probably the exact expression the rest of us had when we heard the news.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 15, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Keith/Bickell could've helped prevent that last goal
Before Olsen got the puck, it was Keith who chipped it back to him.
Keith did have a Predator chasing him, but if he’d taken a quick peek, he could’ve seen that Bickell was making his way down the far boards, around the faceoff circle. A quick ring around the boards to Bickell, instead of back to Olsen, may have prevented that whole thing.
Also would be nice if Bickell could’ve been screaming at Keith to fire the puck up the boards instead of making the decision that ultimately led to the goal.
It was Olsen’s turnover that led to the goal, but the whole thing could’ve been avoided.
Never Die Easy.
Basking in the (rare occurances of) Chicago sports glory on Twitter: @nextsportsguy.
That damn Bickell!!
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Am I just being picky?
@ESPNChiHawks
Q: "It’s no fun. We’ve been tied late in some games and not getting them to overtime has been crushing in a lot of ways."
Or should they be playing to win and not for OT?
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM CST reply actions
picky
He could well have meant “…at least to overtime” which is true. I have a hard time believing that Q is saying, “all right boys, let’s just get them to OT, and we’ll have them where we want them.” I mean, as far as I’ve seen, they’re not playing conservatively when tied.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
I'd have taken a point quite happily.
If they were going to lose, it would’ve softened the blow and at least made it seem mentally like they’d gotten a break or taken a step forward. And a couple points over the last 9 games would’ve been nice.
Also, think about last year and how often we talked about blowing games in the 3rd when they could’ve gotten an OT point.
by Katherine215 on Feb 15, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Man the Hawks need to win!!!!
For starters this place is getting kinda depressing, and the infighting is getting worse (myself included, but I guess that is not new). This site needs to be back in its happy place, and a Hawks win will help get that done!
Here is some good news of sorts. After last night I actually have the Hawks INCREASING in their DRS score, their first increase in weeks! This could be a good sign of things to come!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 2:26 PM CST reply actions
YOUR FACE NEEDS TO WIN
Shit. Sorry, TMFF. That infighting thing caught up to me again.
In short, I agree. Now, here’s a link to find a happy place.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
interesting/uplifting article from..
..Harrison Mooney? What?
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
I'd love for it to happen that way
Tied up, and then bam! Of course…I’d really rather have a DLR game to come out of it.
enough of your personal habits, please..
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
I have to say
I like Harrison Mooney’s articles. Helps that he created Hockey Hugs, of course.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
If we're going to trade Kane, there's only one person I want in return.
Paulina Gretzky.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 15, 2012 3:33 PM CST reply actions
I went to google this (again) and, for some reason, forgot about hockey for a while.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
Meh
Fake blonde and overly tan. I’ll pass.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
by DesertHawk on Feb 15, 2012 9:13 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
More for you then?
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
by DesertHawk on Feb 15, 2012 9:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
More for me?
I don’t know what you’re asking me. More what?
And if you look, there are plenty of pictures of her out there where she’s not fake blonde. Brunette in fact.
You know you’re a Hawks fan when you don’t know if you’re typing the hair color or the player. Wut?
More for me.
It’s a phrase my friends and I use when someone doesn’t like something we do like. She just comes off as too fake for me, whatever her hair color.
Curator of Dark Side of the Five Hole
I like our guys, especially these guys.
Unapologetic apologist for hockey South of the Mason/Dixon
by DesertHawk on Feb 15, 2012 10:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You all should come to Michigan
Detroit wan 21 in a row at home. Did you know that?
Fuck I can’t escape it.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
Not a chance in hell
I would not only have to go to Ann Arbor, but I would be there to see The Red Wings. No, I’ll be in Pasadena watching MSU win the Rose Bowl. Yeow!
Hold my stones I'm on IR
haha
Ask him about the time he went to Joe Louis Arena with his family and couldn’t get out of the parking garage.
Let's Go Hawks!
I wish I was driving my mom's '78 Olds 98 Regency (metallic green)
I would have t boned that asswipe right there with my kids in the car.
Hold my stones I'm on IR
I would gladly deal with SCUM fans then Bahstun Fans anyday!
At least a good portion of SCUM fans realize other teams can be good too, EVEN in the other conference!!!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 15, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
fucking tell me about it.
every single god damned person won’t fucking shut up about it. spoiled assholes, then they try to call me a bandwagon fan. if the wings sucked for two seasons, DET fans would forget about them faster than they forgot about the pistons for the second time. they’d probably blame the refs first though.
fuck I hate wings fans.
Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you!
by Gozer the Traveler on Feb 15, 2012 4:34 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
just remind them of the empty seats there
every broadcast I see empty seats come playoff time – yeah I know Detroit’s in de toilet but come on.
Kane trade talk
The losing streak is temporary. Trading Kane would be a permanent, ongoing disaster.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
can anyone pinpoint
where the kane for miller nonsense started? was it Typhoid Eklund that started spreading it? I just can’t believe how much steam it’s picked up.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 15, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
If the NHL does go into a lockout.....
Then they are dumber than we thought they were. If they didn’t learn from last time then they never will
At puck drop in NY, it will have been 26 days and 20 hours since the last Hawks win.
I am sick to my stomach.
Hard to believe a team with this much talent can lose 1/9 of their season in a row….
On the positive side, last night was better, but not good enough.
- PP, better, some good pressure – but no goals PK, better, gave up no goals
-
— Goalie – Not so good. Gave up 50 footer through the 5-hole as winning goal. Save % of .842 ( and we were concerned about .900?) Meanwhile Renne save percentage .938. Give us that type of night in goal and we win 2-1.
This is an excellent comment thread today
that’s all.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 15, 2012 5:04 PM CST reply actions
Did they put his name on the lineup card?
No, wait. That’s q pranking us.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 15, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
SCH Comment Stats on the Fly
9 consecutive losses
26 days since winning a game
20 months since winning a stanley cup
15 fucks (not including this one)
6 from laaarmer
3 from ahnfire
6 comments with the words “trade” and Kane" in the same sentence.
1 felonious threat from ahnfire (see stat above)
0 mentions of “Nash” other than 3 that include “ville”
25 y’alls
0 instances of “ledge” as its own word
1 canine critique of John Scott
6 one-liner responses to BLou
1,973 comments about Ray Emery and the game winning goal (estimated total)
Instapoll
Roenick is primarily a:
A.) former Blackhawk
B.) fair weather fan
C.) shit stirrer
D.) famewhore
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 15, 2012 5:29 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
Don't forget 21 straight home wins for Scum...
…just to really twist the knife.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 15, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
love it
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
A freind asked me the other night if I thought this collapse was worse...
…than losing to Minnesota in the first round in 1991. Interesting question. I know at the time it was pretty shocking but, somehow, what the Hawks are going through now really does seem worse. Is it only because 1991 was so long ago? I guess I can always try to console myself with the thought that, maybe, in 20 years this won’t seem so bad either.
Talk about grasping at straws.
Personally
That series nearly ruined my childhood. Devastating to a 10 year old boy. This just seems worse because the Internet gives all the mouth breathers and doomsayers one place to congregate.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 15, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
The Hawks deserved everything they got in that series
The endless stupid penalties (274 minutes in SIX GAMES), Chelios and Keenan losing their minds, Belfour sucking, etc.
and that is when I started to hate on Keenan
I liked him up until that team lost their collective shit, and while there’s only so much a coach can do at times, I don’t think that would have happened with Scotty Bowman. Like, never.
A playoff loss is so final, so empty. Once you lose, you’re left with not watching your team for months, while watching other teams’ fans celebrate in disgusting fashion.
At least with a losing streak, there is hope and there is opportunity for improvement. And there is definitely more Hawks hockey left.
Let's Go Hawks!
More than this
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene."
That one occured a year before I became a Hawks fan
But just reading about it is painful. I can just imagine how it must’ve felt to those who were living and dying with the team in those days.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 15, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
damnit, I just found out that the Hawks were practicing at Chelsea Piers today.
I totally could’ve gone :(
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
I don't know why
but it’s very weird for me to see them playing in natural daylight.
Let's Go Hawks!
Sharks fan here,
I know this doesn’t help but, a lot of us over here are pulling for you guys to turn it around. I’ve always had huge respect for you guys and your team and I don’t like seeing you guys like this. Hang in there, I’ve got a good feeling you guys will right the ship in NY and get right back to bis.
Cheers!
by BB129 on Feb 15, 2012 5:58 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
thank you!
"It could be worse: there could be blood squirtin' out of your nose"
"And that's 'Perfessr Mrs. Montador' to you...
by mightymike D on Feb 15, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
Puff. Puff. Give.
I want some of what you have.
Seriously, thanks for the sentiment.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 15, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
my ledge is soooo cozy...
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 15, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
Standin' in the morning sun
I’ll be standin’ when the evening comes
Watching the shit roll in
Then I watch it roll away again
Standing on the edge of the ledge……
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
We'll all float on..Alright (Modest Mouse)
in case you were wondering.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Classy post!
Love it.
Bickell for Niemi????
by RVW5000 on Feb 15, 2012 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Sharks fans are usually the most even - keeled
Used to go over to Fear the Fin and as long as you didn’t troll you were treated with respect. Can’t say that about too many others.
Thanks for the kind words
It’s always nice to be reminded that there are classy opposing fans out there.
So, Puck Daddy posted this...
What would it take to get Kane to Nashville? Lindback + what? Not the farm, Suter, Weber, etc. Something realistic like picks or other prospects?
"We want to keep beating them...to break their pride and break their season...is a huge thing for us." - David Legwand
a moot point my friend
he’s not going anywhere, nor should he. You don’t find many players with that level of talent and unselfish play – and the best is yet to come.
there is no realistic option
JR is an idiot.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 15, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Will you please exlain to me why we want to do that? Please?
This nonsense has got to come to a fucking end.
In fairness
In the Puck Daddy piece Wysh did write,“Trading Patrick Kane isn’t something the Blackhawks should consider. At all.”
Is all this “Trade Kane” stuff real? I’m not on the Twitters so I don’t know how much of that is going on there or how much is just the building of strawmen.
by amonte's awesome on Feb 15, 2012 9:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Aside
From JR of course. But, that guy…
by amonte's awesome on Feb 15, 2012 9:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its been getting brought up more and more lately. its dumb as hell
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by justforkicks on Feb 15, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Trading one of the best playmakers in the NHL is just dumb.
No, it’s not real.
It’s just a meme that meatballs like to throw around that got legs somehow.
actually had someone tell me that kane plays lazily the other day
in seriousness
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 15, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
ugh, no real surprise, i've seen it here too in all seriousness.
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by justforkicks on Feb 15, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, first of all everybody needs to take a deep breath...
…because there is absolutely no way Kane gets traded. Zero…zilch…nada.
That being said, I really don’t understand why people freak out so much over just the thought of trading Kane. I mean, you’d think we let Bobby Hull, Ed Belfour or Jeremy Roenick go or something.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 15, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
i know its not going to happen, but its irritating that it keeps coming up and the justification for it is flawed but it just. keeps. coming
because he’s 23 years old and has some of the best hands and vision in the league. because he isn’t even in his best years yet, and trading him now will probably come back to haunt us. because as mentioned, it would fucking suck to see him really hit his stride in another jersey. and because those who want to trade him right now are seriously underestimating what he is and can do, enough so that I wonder quite often if we’re even watching the same game.
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by justforkicks on Feb 15, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
I say, "you just never know"
We’re talking about the organization that traded some great players in the past, states that goaltending isn’t a problem, and inserts Scott in the lineup on a regular basis.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 15, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
ugh that is true.
for my own sanity i’m going to stay aboard the kane won’t be traded train.
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by justforkicks on Feb 15, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously though...this isn't the same organization...
…that let those other players get away. Rocky and McD understand the importance of keeping the core together.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt it too
but honestly, I would not be shocked if the Hawks ever trade Kane for a similar caliber player who was a center/had size. Based on the moves this past summer (grit) and the complaints that the team is too small, I just wouldn’t put it past them.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
I still think that would be really shortsighted, especially if they did it now or in the next few years
but i see what you’re saying, they might not see it too or think they have better options. =(
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by justforkicks on Feb 16, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
The NHL has been so balanced
in recent years, expect that the Hawks will rebound massively from this. Just remember that every other team is also on the edge of facing exactly the same fate. Not a team doesn’t think that a 9 game losing streak is just around the corner. This team will be playing late into springtime.
Just got tickets for March 2nd and looking forward to the first game here since the Cup!
Agreed. Just don't know if it will be this season.
Or with one of these goalies
or coaches
or GM.
Keep the sights on the long term One Goal, not on the short term band aids. (Though at this point a tourniquet would be nice.
This is my haiku
It is only three lines long
Thanks for reading it
by Sparky The Barbarian on Feb 16, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
Any goalie wold.struggle.behind this defense
Crawford is havong problems with his mechanics but 2 years Niemi had games where he was facing 15 shots a game. Still like his potentiak but Morin and a pick and something else for a decent defenseman will go further than a new goaltender facing breakaways 2 on 1
by Wolverine16 on Feb 15, 2012 10:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
sorry for the spelling errors. drank a lot tonihght...
by Wolverine16 on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Itz ok i thunk
we all have had alot theeez last cuple of weaks.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Nope.
The defense has been bad at times, but not nearly as often as the goalies giving up soft goals. The soft goals are literally killing this team. You can’t be 5th in scoring, 10th in shots allowed, and 29th in GAA and sv% and think the problem is the defense.
The problem is the goaltending.
This.
On average two soft goals a night. That’s not on the defense. Crawford has been putrid this year and that has a tendency to trickle down and effect everyone else’s play. Emery has been only marginally better. When the final post mortem is done on this season, it’ll be the goalie that’s most responsible for the collapse.
Bowman better be ready to get off his ass and bring someone new in this summer because going with Crawford again would be a disaster.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 15, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I HIGHLY doubt Crow's going anywhere
but if Salak is “all that” then a tandem of Crawford/Salak next year (with a hopefully improved Crawford) is what I would expect.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 16, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
I liked what i saw of Salak in pre season
I know it’s a very small sample size but I was really surprised when they chose to send him down.
I also can’t help wondering if things would be differrent right now if we’d had him as an option to replace crawford once his struggles hit the train wreck stage.
We sure as hell couldn’t have been any worse.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 16, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
T.S. Eliot on the trade deadline
February is the dumbest month, breeding
trade rumours out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, drowning
salary caps with sweet Kool-Aid.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 15, 2012 10:25 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
nice! its always good having you here flyersfan!
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by justforkicks on Feb 15, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
Don't rock the boat, baby; Don't tip the boat over
With Hossa the only core player nearing the advanced years of his career, I’d say just roll the dice with what you have. The Hawks will have 5 solid seasons with these guys to try and find the right spare parts to make this thing work. I’d almost suggest they consider being sellers, but at this point they don’t have any non-core players that would help a contender (or the blue jackets). If the right guys get hot going into the playoffs, they could make enough noise to help us forget about the “All-Star” slide.
I politely withdraw my snarky comment based on lack of knowledge.
by Billy Charlesbois on Feb 15, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Go leafs go!
Shaping up to be a good one here.
I was just watching my DVDs from 2009
Game six vs Vancouver. I miss the team that came out with the full 60 minute effort.
I think a big part of that is depth.
The hawks could literally just roll out
brouwer-toews-kane
ladd-bolland-havlat
versteeg-pahlsson-byfuglien
eager-burish-sharp
When sharp is playing on your 4th line you have some pretty strong depth.
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