Compassion Is Broken Now, My Will Is Eroded Now: Hawks 4 - Oilers 39773889308
by SamFels on Feb 3, 2012 1:40 AM CST
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PrintIt's funny. I went to the doctor today for the first time in years. Naturally, he informed me I needed to quit smoking. On nights like this, it seems the most ridiculous suggestion possible.
Ok. I think it's important on a night like this to try and separate what matters from a lot of the silliness we saw tonight, which delved into the ridiculous and unfathomable. Some of it felt like when the cast of Monty Python during their live shows would just run from offstage left to offstage right for no reason. Simple silliness for the sake of it. I mean, we definitely got into fun-bad territory there.
The thing is, I'm not angry. I know a lot of you are, and you have every right to be. But the whole thing felt like watching a toddler throw his pants over head and run dangerously close to the street (which is incidentally the defensive plan the Hawks employed tonight) -- you have to be angry at the parents who let him do so but can't help but produce a smile at the entertainment factor.
Do we know anything different? No, not really. The problems are still the same as they were after the Hawks put forth a fine performance in Vancouver.
Is our view of them different? Maybe. The main conclusion of all this, and it's not even a conclusion, is that the Hawks may be, repeat: may be, at end game with Corey Crawford. Quite simply, his dog-trying-to-grab-a-basketball act tonight cost the Hawks momentum and then the game. Taylor Hall's goal shouldn't have gone in. For the umpteenth time this year, when a player wraps around the net from the circles Crow lost his net, costing the equalizer. It only got worse.
There are only 30 games left. The string of games Crow would need to have confidence rebuilt might simply not be on offer now. Sassone was right, it felt like those games in Columbus in March of both '09 and '10 when Huet melted down and handed the job to Khabibulin and Niemi. Is the job handed to Emery now? The thing is, we know what Emery is. Or we think we do. Maybe it doesn't mean much, but if you take out the two Edmonton games and the Philadelphia loss when the team was basically a Gwar sound check, Emery's save-percentage is .921. So maybe?
Before we trade everyone, which will happen between now and the puck drop tomorrow in Calgary, the needs are still the same, and they're all jaded by the goaltending behind them. The second pairing still has question marks. Raging, pussing, bleeding question marks that require a balm, but question marks. But would that pairing look better with solid goaltending? It probably would. So would the penalty kill.
On a night like this, there's a tendency to call for major changes. It makes everyone feel better. But there are little options for the second pairing and goalie situation to be found.
To me, before it all became something out of Tim Burton's soiled toilet set ablaze, other than the goaltending the other serious issue are the special teams. They still are. The kill gave up Whitney's goal. But before that, the power play had a chance to take the lead and turn the tide. It didn't, for the same reasons it hasn't all year. Poor entry, whacked structure, predictable tactics.
Because of that, and some other things (like say, a second mauling at the hands of one of the worst teams in the West), some serious focus must be brought on the coaches. The power play hasn't changed other than for injury. The penalty kill still has faulty parts (though most of it goaltending). Yet John Scott gets ahead of Montador to kill some time? More importantly, this wasn't a team out to avenge anything. This team wasn't prepared to set things right from the last time they were here. Is that the leadership in the team, or behind the bench? I don't really know.
As ugly as it was, the status of the team is pretty much the same. One of the best in the West, but with holes that need addressing. They seem bigger now. I doubt the answer is a Kane for Ryan Miller trade, but I fully expect that to be suggested.
No one escapes blame, obviously. That tight structure we were encouraged by on Tuesday was hanging out where the buses don't run tonight. But I don't think that's what this team is. It's more than just a bad night, I can't dismiss it there. But it's not a season killer either.
There will be calls for blood. They would be justified. But I bet the response from those in charge is a deep breath, and a few more games on this trip before making any decisions. That's probably what it should be. It should probably be ours as well.
Maybe that all doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be surprised. My brain turned into goo like yours, I ran out of my beer and had to resort to the Hamm's that a buddy left here during a poker night a few weeks ago. I think this is the best I can do right now.
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Damn you for making sense
But in all seriousness a good wrap. I agree on the points of the coaching though. This is a team that needs to stay focused and bring that effort as needed and consistently.
i don't know, i thought we started out tonight really well,
and then lost steam. whether it was the goals against or they just started to care less, i don’t know. the penalties and special teams didn’t help either. not all the players were on the same page at the same time, which is unfortunate, because some were really working for it, and i really thought we had it. i still don’t think we need to do something huge to fix it though. commitment to defense doesn’t need new people, you just need the current players to buy into it, and that could even help cover some of Crows deficiencies. i would still like someone for defense and a top 6 winger or center though, but i don’t think our answer is to make a big trade, especially at this juncture, that could weaken us further.
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i definitely
think there was a “foot off the gas” element after we had established the lead in the first. then the game became a run and gun, which usually works into the hawks favor, but apparently that never happens against edmonton.
for whatever reason, i don’t feel the same about crow as i did with huet. it almost felt like you knew huet was going to lose the game. but i guess its approaching that level with crow.
Foot off the gas is what I saw
I commented (at home) that it looked like the Hawks were playing against an AHL team in the first period. After the Hawks took a 2-0 lead I think they started thinking the game was over.
Coupled to that letdown was Crawford falling apart, yet again. He let in some very soft goals which I believe took the heart out of the rest of the team. I hate to say it, and I haven’t read the rest of the comments down below yet, but we need to move him to the bench. I don’t know if Emery and his hip can handle the pressure of being number 1, but Crawford is not the guy.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
The Oilers have THE BEST AHL team by far
OKC is a very good squad, the Oilers are going to be a very good team very soon.
I'm not positive that it translates to the NHL
the Wolves were the class of the AHL for sometime, and the Thrashers, well they sucked.
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Different situation
Atlanta was totally incompetent. The oilers are a young team with good talent playing in the NHL with even more talent that should be ready in a year or two.
I do get your point though.
my (and apparently the Hawks') feelings about the game tonight...
Kidding aside, I’m with you Sam. And personally, I may be a bad fan for not being invested enough, because I find it hard to get riled up over something I ultimately consider nothing but entertainment. Do I want the Hawks to be consistently good? Yes. Will they have pants-shitting games? Yes. And will those games always, for some reason, happen at the hands of the Oil? Apparently so. There are (apparently many) things that need to be fixed – and yes, questions about the coaching (ESPECIALLY on special teams) need to be asked. We’ll probably piss off all the beats, but we want answers and that’ll be the price to pay.
And in complete sincerity, congrats to Gagner tonight. Yes, I would’ve loved for him to have not tied that franchise record against us, but even as appalling bad as the Hawks were, he still had to have a great night to get 8 points.
Just…win tomorrow, Hawks. I’d really like to not read all the sadness/anger/despair on twitter/fb/SCH over the weekend.
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Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
by ahnfire on Feb 3, 2012 1:59 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
best post of the season!
but I suspect you’ll be watching tonight and I’m guessing , like many of us, you went to bed mad last night.
As David byrne sang in his Animals song
“I’m mad and that’s a fact. I found out, Oilers don’t care. They never let us win when we need one, …”
This is how I feel
Just…win tomorrow, Hawks. I’d really like to not read all the sadness/anger/despair on twitter/fb/SCH over the weekend
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
It was bad
However I was pretty entertained. Some of those Oiler goals were just bang bang awesome haha. I was hoping for 10 just to get some of the doom and gloom sky is falling fans to fuck off for a few games.
Oh well. 8 expiring contracts you kind of figure it would be another transition year while they try to reload and repeat the plethora of talent thing that won them the Cup last time.
Q's red faced, jugular sticking out TO's usually get the Hawks focused and motivated but it did nothing last night.
I hate to hear these words, "We hope you enjoyed the broadcast in spite of the outcome." I would rather enjoy the outcome inspite of the broadcast.
by I Love Hawkey on Feb 3, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah you say that
but I think you’re a better fan than that. I bet you’ve got a whole bucketful of fucks to give yet- it’s just the pain talking now.
As far as winning tomorrow, to me, it has a lot more to do with what we see on the ice then villager reaction.
In fact, I’m kinda bugged by this whole “meta” trend- maybe it’s always been there, but…
So Sam has some ongoing bitch fest with Kuc or Sassone, or McClure spends a paragraph taking down “Stalberg haters” in vindication of his preferred narrative. We all fall into the trap of defending our point of view (just off the top of my head: me and Keith, CNS and Bickel, JFK and Kane, KTG and Stalberg, BigC and Hossa) and, if we’re not careful, we lose sight of the common interest we all have in seeing the Blackhawks succeed. Plus, we sometimes paint ourselves into stupid argumentative corners. We’re all prone to do this from time to time.
Anyway, I’d love to be wrong about all the stupid theories I’ve spouted and let them all go, if it means the Hawks pull their shit together and make a good run this post-season.
Ahn, I look forward to the many fucks you will give (so to speak) in the coming months.
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by cliffkoroll on Feb 3, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No no no no no
It’s the last fuck she gives about this particular game, not the team.
SCH moderator. I'm the nice one. Really, I am. (you can quit laughing now)
Regardless..
it’s bad form to stop giving fucks.
when it was 7-4, I still thought we had time to mount a threat. We weren’t playing the clutch and grab new Jersey Devils of yore
well, sometimes it's what women do to regain the power in a relationship, ya know? ;)
but no, I’m a “bitter-end” person where I will watch a game (no matter what) until the buzzer sounds, and then release that last fuck (about the game).
I admit though, when it got to 8, I started thinking we should pull Emery and then just play “keep everyone except Gagner away!” Only not really.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
As much as I wanted to, and it certainly made sense, I refused to turn it off.
After listening to Konroyd trying to make some sense out of it all, I went upstairs and gave myself 30 lashes, plus one.
Funny you mention that about emery, when the Oils scored there 8th i looked a t Q and thought “He ought to just pull the players off the ice and head to the locker room.”
oh, I still have a bucketful of fucks
I’m not a clothes-horse type of girl, so plenty of room in my closet for those buckets. That was just the last fuck I gave about the Edmonton game. Once the buzzer sounds, I just don’t care anymore. There’s more lingering euphoria after a Hawks win, but after a game, whether it’s win, close loss or a blowout, my apathy level raises significantly and I move on to whatever else will entertain me. That’s part of the reason I spend so much time on SCH – this place is one of my favorite places for entertainment. (I like our people too!)
As for the narrative thing, I agree completely. Sometimes we get caught up in wanting people to see what we see that we forget that differing opinions ≠ disrespect/end of a conversation. I’m not sure what you meant about the “meta” trend, though.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
stupid me
I generally limit myself to giving one fuck a game, but i’m a bit older.
I guess by “meta” I mean there’s more conversation around people’s points of view than the game itself. It’s easy to slip into this mode, IMO.
We like our people!
ahhh ok.
yea, I agree. I think that’s partially because you can only nitpick at a specific game for so long, especially during those longer breaks. then you need to change the narrative and nitpick at something else.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
ahnfire - you're looking good there
East Coast life apparently agrees with you.
And, yeah, I’m sort of there too about not being unreasonablely invested in the team’s fortunes this year.
It’s an entertainment (and really, the only lasting thing I got out of them winning the Cup is a monumental bar bill and liver damage).
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
That's all you have for the Cup year?
I have awesome memories, many pictures, and a hat!
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
at our age, memories can't be counted on as lasting
but I do have a comemorative magazine or two, so I suppose I do have to add pictures to the list
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Sam, settle down
Let’s all relax here. The hawks came out good tonight. They should have won this game easily. It’s all on Crawford. 100 percent.
It’s a big problem, no doubt, but it’s a problem that can to be worked out somehow. If Crawford had been even remotely competent tonight we would all be happy and no one would be ranting about the power play, the second unit dmen, the coaching, etc. etc. This isn’t the game to be complaining about that stuff. The hawks played good tonight until Crawford imploded, that simple. Keep it in perspective.
I'd only add that Bickel did his best
in making thing more difficult for the team.
by aeroplane on Feb 3, 2012 7:55 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Paradox
I thought the world was going to explode on the Eager penalty…All that bad should never be so close to each other.
That's a F*cking Goal~Me on 6/9/10
C'mon, really?
Keith went to the box twice too. Stalberg took a stupid penalty. Barker got a weak boarding call (and Edzo calls out Shaw for being a diver?? Fuck Edzo), so they get Bickell for an even weaker boarding call in return. Ya’ll wanted him to play more physical, right?
IMO the only “solid” penalty call in that game prior to the 3rd period was the TMM penalty. Keith’s holding call was questionable. Eager’s high sticking call was probably wrong, so they in turn called Bickell for a high sticking. Bickell should have drawn his 2nd penalty on that play, but instead he got called for one. He made a nice play there. The missed call was bullshit.
Rule 69.4 – Contact Outside the Goal Crease
When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.
I mean how blatant could Dubey have been? He whiffs on the puck and his first reaction is to interfere.
Bickell was 20 feet behind Petry at the blue line, caught him, and made a nice move to get position there. Instead he gets called for a penalty. And even if he did high stick Petry, the Oilers already have possession after the interference so it wouldn’t have been called.
Can’t blame a guy for trying.
Oops. Forgot where i was!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
I was screaming at Edzo too.
Huh? Shaw should have taken the boarding hit better? Blew me away. I don’t want “homers” but sometimes Edzo tries too hard to show he isn’t one.
And the league needs to figure out “what is and isn’t goalie interference.” There is a race to the post and the offensive team has a player between the goalie and the post. THAT IS GOALIE INTERFERENCE! And it is an easy call and it is ALMOST NEVER called.
Yep
I couldn’t believe he was calling out Shaw for diving.
Edzo – you say a lot of stupid crap that’s mostly just annoying but this one was infuriating.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
I thought I misheard him, that was so ridiculous.
And what was he blathering about at the end? Was he calling out the Oilers for running up the score and urging the Hawks to get revenge on the score sheet or by playing dirty?
sounded that way
Embarrassing, I thought. Even Foley seemed incredulous at what he was hearing.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Agreed
It sounded like Foley and Edzo had their first tiff. I suggest they get a divorce before cooler heads prevail..
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Worst broadcast of the year from CSN, IMO
Add to that Edzo saying Leddy interfered with Crow as he’s watching the same replay as me, which clearly showed they never made contact. Then at intermission the studio guys repeat the same stupidity.
And I’m glad some 7 yr old LOVES John Scott.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Probably the only upside
(other than getting to see every Hawks game) of paying for the “Center Ice” programming is that I usually get 2 broadcasts of each game which allows me to not have to listen to Edzo & Foley spew their nonsensical prattle about how a certain player performed at “tree turdy tree in the turd”
It’s a small victory to be sure, but a victory nonetheless.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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Always loved the opposing announcers.
Miss that in baseball where you could watch the games from the other teams perspective. You got to see what other teams thought of your teams player’s. Now you only get that for the Cubs White Sox games and who cares then.
Foley was like the folks on Twitter who were mockingly rooting for the Oilers to hit 10.
Foley was simply disgusted with what he was seeing. It was like shades of 90s Foley – which I consider to be a good thing.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Yep
He was getting his panties in a bunch like AV has done before. It was pretty sad. At that point who cares, might as well let Gagner try and set a new record.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry but no.
Gagner played 2 of the last three minutes of that game. He got double shifted at the end of a blowout. That is GOING to be noticed by an ex player doing the broadcast.
They weren’t rolling lines out there they were trying to give Gagner a chance to break Gretsky’s record. You pull stunts like that in blowouts and other players and ex players will notice.
Doesn't excuse the insinuation that we should goon it up and hurt the player
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
well
he also said “i hope john scott just grabs somebody” but stopped himself before he got any farther. couple of seconds of dead air after that doozy.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention
Making note of Kruger “chopping” Gagner’s hands after a faceoff
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
After which
Edzo could be heard wiping the blood from his drooling fangs.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
meh
the Hawks have nobody but themselves to blame for Gagne being in that position.
As far as I can tell, the Oil have a solid fan base with precious little to get excited about over the past five years- I got no problem with what they did, and I don’t think the Hawks should either.
Patrick Sharp, btw, was out there in the last minute trying to complete his hat trick.
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There is a difference between Edzo and the Blackhawks.
Nobody on the Hawks was bitching. And if Edzo is going to go out of his way to be “fair and balanced” then I don’t care if he turned “ex player” in his response. It had nothing to do with the Hawks.
And there is a big difference between rolling lines were Sharp is on the ice trying to “catch up” and players on the winning side double shifting at the end of blowouts.
Again, I want the color guy to point that stuff out. I also want the color guy to point out the goalie interference before Bickell’s penalty. You know, I want the color guy to be, well, the color guy…
oops: I wasn't commenting on Edzo's blathering
on accounta this newfangled feature on my TV, a “mute” button.
Hawks were not “rolling lines”. Sharp was running around out there with a couple schlubs.
We like our people!
As usual, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Sharp had one shift in the last 3 and a half minutes of the game. Kane had two, Bolland one, Toews had none, Hossa had none. Brunette was hurt and not playing.
Lines at the end were:
Kruger/Bolland/Shaw
Stalberg/Kruger/Kane
Bickell/Mayers/Shaw
Stalberg/BMO/Kane
Sharp/Mayers/Shaw
Kruger/BMo/Bickell
With Toews, Hossa and Brunette not taking a shift that is the other 9 forwards taking up the last 6 shifts.
I made a simple observation
Patrick Sharp, btw, was out there in the last minute trying to complete his hat trick
you disagree, arguing that the Hawks were “rolling lines” at the end.
Kane was out there for a couple shifts, because, in a PK-heavy game, he doesn’t get his share of minutes (he double-shifted several times last night for this reason, still only ended up with 18 minutes.) Beyond that, the last five shifts were Sharp and schlubs. So yeah, rolling lines, nothing to do with a hattie.
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here's the league's clarification
Lucic runs over Miller while the puck is about 50 feet away from him while Miller is attempting to play the actual puck – no call. And Edzo ran down Stals every fricking chance he got last year, and Foley was a willing helpmate – also, remember that Campbell’s not even a 3rd line D – Man.
I almost lost my mind
During the non-call on Dubnyk, I didn’t think it could get any more blatant. I don’t think Pat or Eddie even mentioned it either, who fucking knows.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Let's also not forgot
them not mentioning Brunette was out until the 2nd period was almost over. Hello, guys. There’s a game going on!
Hey Pat, let’s talk about the guys I met on the plane.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Frolik
Q sounded like it would just be Frolik coming in
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Huge Hawks fans those guys
Must have some great connections…..wait someone just scored, who was it?
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
TSN guys didn't mention it either.
Goalies never get called on that stuff. Ever. It’s garbage. It’s also why I enjoy seeing them get run over or put into the fence once in a while.
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
not sure my position has anything to do with the penalty CNS
Bicks sucked last night. So yeah, really.
sigh
Yeah “he sucked.” Enlightening.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
can't agree here
mostly because we took so many penalties. for as disciplined a game we had against vancouver, it felt like the opposite last night. and thats not the goalies fault.
As CNS pointed out, really bad officiating tonight
Soft calls on both sides. Not the reason we lost by any means.
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by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 3, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
And Scott on the PK? Really Q? Did Scott play at all in the first period?
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Not that it's a Wings fan's business
But is the Crawford I saw last season still in there?
How is it that this kid, who eclipsed nearly every goalie under 30 last year (including Jimmy Howard), is someone else completely this season? He honestly looked brilliant last year, most especially against Luongo in round 1.
Do you guys know if it’s a confidence thing or something else like lingering injury or what?
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Feb 3, 2012 2:14 AM CST reply actions
there has been no word of injury
He is a completely different goalie since the start of the year. What worked so well for him last year was him staying at home, relying on his fundamentals, and trusting his angles. His fundamentals are all fucked up this year though.
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this is just the eye test again...
but to me it seems Crow is venturing to far from his net. it seems to get ridiculous at times. Maybe I’m wrong, and that’s what he did last year also. It would be onteresting to watch some of those games in the playoffs.
crawford picked an awful time to have his worst game of the year.
One thing, and I’m by no means defending Corey’s abysmal performance last night – Vancitydan gave us the low down on Edmonton a few days ago. One thing he stated was that Taylor hall likes to cherry pick. With a two goal lead do you think we might have paid a little more attention to him floating around center ice. Yeah Crow should have stoned him, but why was he so open with a two goal lead. Course management – should I try to carry the lake witha 220 yd 5 wood or lay up, stiff a wedge and drain a putt. We started going for the home run, with a two goal lead a little small ball might have been a better way to “escape” from that hell hole :) Edmonton.
Yea I keep hearing Chris Blocks comment from last year.
About how Crawford sure isn’t the guy he’s been watching for years in Rockford. I don’t know how it will turn out now.
He wasn't the only one saying that
815Sox, Ban (I think), and I all watch the IceHogs. And we commented often about how Corey never looked as good as he did last season.
Just gotta hope that the true Crawford is somewhere in between.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I remember Crawford being beaten on wraparounds in just about every game he played against the Wolves
The lowlight had to be when he got beat by noted speed demon Andre Deveaux TWICE in a game
Yup, this is the Crawford that we know and do not love
I know it sounded crazy saying this stuff last year, but it was always a possibility he reverted to this form. Really not much more we can say. He has always had problems like this.
Has his glove hand always been so worthless?
That shot by Barker could have been stopped by my 85 year old father.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
That "screened" PP goal by Whitney from the point
(that wasn’t really screened, just Edzo claiming so) That puck actually went off Crow’s glove too. He apparently did see it, just missed it.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
He was WAY off his angle too
The opening in the net on his glove side was big enough for even Frolik to score on.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
If it were an injury that was causing
this collapse in his play I would think the staff would sit him until he healed. I think this is a combination of things that have built on top of another over the course of the season. If I’m not mistaken Waite tried to have him play a more aggressive game this year which has failed more times than not. His defense has hung him out to dry at times, his rebound and glove ability has seemed to regress from last year, and the soft goals he has allowed have not helped his frame of mind and possibly has eroded his confidence to some extent.
This is not to say that every loss can be, is, or should be hung directly about his neck though. In the end it is a team game and everyone is responsible for doing their part.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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2nd year goalies regularly stink - even after good first years
it’s almost a cliche
some sink like a stone thereafter, some get back on track
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
This seems to be more
of him reverting to the way he has played for most of his career more than him just having a bad 2nd season. I hope he can regain his form from last year because regardless of popular belief I really do like the kid, but with the more games he plays the more I believe that last season was a fluke.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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Not Sure If They Mentioned This On The Hawks Broadcast
But Sam Gagner got 8 points tonight!!!
Seriously though, please fix your goaltending. It’s not gonna be fun for anybody if (god forbid) Vancouver is just allowed to waltz into the final this year without shitting their pants for at least a round.
emotions are a little raw right now for that.
Congrats to Ganger. Hell of a game for him. Whats funny is that our goaltending is not good, but for whatever reason your Oil seem to make who ever is in net look like Steve Mason. And nobody wants Vancoufire to make it to the finals ever again. They will have a tough road because the west is stacked.
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Ahhh the Canucks
bringing Oiler and Hawks fans together in their hate, even in the ashes of a game like this.
FTR, I did see a bit and all the highlights, and there were multiple goals where Crawford could have done better. But most of them seemed the kind that out goalies had before we got Melanson. He seems too far out and susceptible to passes and plays getting behind him.
Of course, its a team game, and if you trust the defenseman to take the back door guy ( or the backchecker ) a goalie can look like a brick wall coming out.
I read the sageness of Sam, and I hear you guys, but its not unusual for a goalie to have the sophmore slump and be a terrific goalie.
You just have to decide if he is a Mason, or a Lehtonen. You know you would want the latter right? I do still think he is the latter. He had a very strong game versus us the game before, and probably stole the O/T point with that save on Henrik.
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Jimmy Howard
ran into very similar problems and this season has far and away overcome them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lN7V4_Gx0
"I know, Chicago will be cold, tomorrow,
Let's cash in on our thin blood and have another one."
He just broke his pinkie yesterday
Out 2 weeks it sounds like. Normally I’d get excited over that. Not today though.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
when attempting to figure out if Crawford is more Jimmy Howard than Steve Mason
You should ask the same question that Fels asked me last night. Was Jimmy Howard ever this bad?
This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.
Well... no...
but if I’m trying to be optimistic about the situation, that’s probably the best possible outcome of the struggles this season. Also, Jimmy Howard was struggling during a period with some really excellent team defense and… well Lidstrom. I don’t know how much that impacts the bottom line stats.
More than anything, I’m just hoping Crow figures out whatever the hell is happening and moves on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lN7V4_Gx0
"I know, Chicago will be cold, tomorrow,
Let's cash in on our thin blood and have another one."
Niemi was to start last year, wasn't he?
But not for this long.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
last season Howard had some real shitters
And there’s the still tender loss to Montreal from before the All Star break.
Howard’s solution has been to start fights with people and get damned angry about his performance or really chirpy if he thinks he’s being done dirty by his own defense.
it’s his lack of composure that is his composure in those moments and it keeps him from repeating those performances.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see Vancouver making another final this year
by aeroplane on Feb 3, 2012 7:58 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't see them...
or the Hawks or the Preds or the Blues or the Sharks or the Wings either… West is wide open.
I'm not totally sold on the "we lost to a terrible team" philosophy...
I’ve watched the Oilers grow over the last two years and enjoy watching them play, at least when they’re playing someone else. I didn’t realize Gagner was 22(?). Taylor hall will be torching goalies for a long time to come in this league.
The Oilers have three pretty dangerous lines even without RNH. Dubnyk, despite giving up 4 goals, was pretty solid, I think he turned back 43 shots. I’ll give them credit, when they went down 2-0 they could have mailed it in. Jillian would have been proud of their effort.
What’s the word on Gilbert – has he been out since the carcillo crap.
You probably didn’t hear, but our announcers were getting ticked off the gagner line kept coming out every other shift, (it seemed), with 5 min to go in the thrid. They got excited when Q threw Shaw, mayers Scott, montador and Bickell out there at the end. You know you’ve had your kunch handed to you when you deci de it’s time to beat someone on the other team up. Yeah, that’s the answer.
How the hawks respond tonight will go a long way in determining our fortunes this year. Personally, I’d get q back up on Bushwhacker again tonight. Lot of season left – need to determine if he’s the man or not.
I didn't take the junk line Q put out
as a sign of him wanting to goon things up. Quite the opposite. Seemed he was making the point to the the opposing team that the game was over. That they didn’t have to double shift Gagne’s line.
by aeroplane on Feb 3, 2012 8:26 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
interesting take...
it seemd like foley was baying for blood. actually, I digressed into a little of that hatred also.
No
Edzo was baying for blood. Foley was defending the Oilers.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Correct
Pat was defending the Oilers putting Gagner back out and calling out Q for putting out the “white flag” line. Edzo was a bad as I have ever heard him last night; sounded like a cross between Meatball and someone watching his first game.
Sounds like Edzo has been going through some personal shit lately.
Could have been a culmination of a bunch of stuff. If your father-in-law was sick and your wife and daughters went under the knife in the same day, maybe you’d want to see John Scott murder someone too.
/not defending
//just throwing it out there
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
OK, maybe I will cut him a little slack.
Maybe. What are the odds that your wife and daughter both have surgery on the same day? It was probably minor elective surgery, like mole removal or something otherwise he’d have been there, right?
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
I thought it was his mother and daughter
by jimmmyjackme on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, good call. I don't know why I typed wife.
It also sounded like his father-in-law was not well at all the other night. Like I said, I’m not defending what he said…but it’s quite possible a culmination of all that stuff just came to a head last night.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
I couldn't believe he wouldn't be there for his daughter's surgery at least.
Surgery to me says anesthesia and I’m surprised he wouldn’t want to be there for at least his daughter’s (isn’t she a minor?).
by Katherine215 on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Surprised at this too
More than likely they could of flown Konroyd there or at least just had Foley do the broadcast. It’s not that he hasn’t ever done it himself before
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Finding a colour guy in the Chuck (Edmonton)
for a hockey game would be a pretty easy thing to do. Wannabe colour guys (ex pros) are everywhere in Canada…
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 3, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Unless
as I mentioned it was something minor in out patient. When I first heard him mention it I thought it was odd that he was at the game.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
True.
I think I just have surgery = serious in my head right now and it may not apply here.
by Katherine215 on Feb 3, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Gwar, Tim Burton poop,
and Hamm’s all in the same post? Somebody was clearly on his game tonight.
Also, I have to agree with you. These games happen. It’s not like there were any new weaknesses exploited tonight. It was just the same shit that’s cost this team on previous nights. That being said that doesn’t excuse the eight goals against one of the worst teams in the West.
As terrible as that game was, I too will wait. We aren’t the only ones that see these issues. Personnel adjustments will be made to try and patch this team together and they will go from there.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
Just finished watching the game on delay
so I’m gonna post this before I read what Sam or anyone else has said. Excuse me if any of it has been stated…
I’ve watched enough hockey, and most of you have too, to know that just as the tide can turn on a dime like it did during tonight’s game, the tide can also turn just as quickly from one game to the next. A game like tonight only defines a season in the media.
What I’m saying is that tomorrow the clock resets. This isn’t the 2010 Blackhawks, but even that team went through similar rough patches, coincidentally at about this time of the year. That team I truly EXPECTED to win the Cup, this team I still expect to compete for it. And that’s all you can really hope for year in and year out.
Hawks beat the Wings, the Wings beat the Nucks, the Nucks beat the Sharks, the Shark beat the Oilers, the Oilers beat the Hawks. Does that put the Hawks at the top of the food chain or the bottom? Your mileage may vary…
I’m not sure what the observations were in the game threads (aside from “this is all Bickell’s and Scott’s fault”, I ass-u-me), but IMO poor officiating really took the Hawks out of their game. I don’t think I’ve ever commented on officiating in three seasons on SCH, but It was awful both ways. But that really works into the opposition’s hands now doesn’t it? Ticky tack call here, makeup soft call there. Add 2 or 3 soft goals and the die was cast.
This a team that still looks incredible 5on5. Come playoff time, when the whistles are pocketed, that will mean more than it does now.
There were some glaring issues that were exposed, but they are also mostly issues that are fixable. The biggest issue, aside from Crow struggling, was the 3rd line. The Bolland-Kruger-Shaw experiment/audition has to be over. As much as one has to love Shaw’s energy and the chances he creates, he’s way to overeager on defense. You can go blow for blow with the opposition’s top line and expect to win. Waaay to many prime scoring chances given up there. I thought Kruger was the exception. (yes, some Kruger love from me)
I coach kids baseball and basketball and Shaw reminds me of them. They see the ball and immediately bee line for it, vacating their positions. If you’ve ever watched 5-7 yr olds play, you know what I mean. At least two of those goals can be assigned to Shaw and numerous scoring chances. And he’s also killing Bolland. Bolly was forced to cover for him so many times that it often left him out of position too. Don’t try to do it all kid. #ShawFacts
I’m still holding my breath on Morrison, but he’s fighting it so far. Hopefully it’s that new team smell. Q throwing him at point on the PP didn’t help him look less lost though. Thanks coach.
Onward and upward, I guess. (since believe it or not, they somehow don’t subtract points for games like these)
G’night all. I won’t remember any of this in the morning. I hope.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 2:33 AM CST reply actions
True story about the food chain
I do hope that Crawford can get himself sorted.
I honestly would like a Det/Chi WCF this year.
Getting bored of the Sharks and the Canucks lately.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Feb 3, 2012 2:38 AM CST up reply actions
Holy fuck, Sam and I are on the same wavelength.
It gets worse…
He’s not as concerned about the 2nd pairing as me. (Bizarro world revisited)
I hope it’s just the fact that Leddy and Hjammer have been seeing a lot tougher zone starts and competition than they should, but I’m just as concerned about their lack of ability to dictate the pace of the game and create scoring as their defense.
Hopefully that “instant fix” defender really is out there, because Q isn’t going to stop using them the way he is if only a 5-6 guy is picked up prior to the trade deadline. That won’t free them up to get more offensive zone starts unless Q really trusts that 3rd pairing. Otherwise he needs to change up the pairings, and since game 12 that hasn’t happened. We’ll see.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 2:46 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
I don’t know… I heard Beach is pretty tough and we all know Ben Smith is really just a young Cam Neely. Hammer is only in there for salary reasons.
let me ask you this
would you make this trade if it were for keith or seabrook?
0 times out of 100
SCH moderator.
If the Preds are trading Suter because they can't afford to sign him...
… what makes anyone think the Hawks can afford the guy?
Just a rule of thumb, if casual fans know the defenseman’s name, well, the Hawks probably aren’t going to trade for that guy.
Because inlike the Preds
The Hawks have cap room and can create even more if Hjammer is included in that trade. Last I heard (before Morrisonn signing) is that they had around $7 mill to play with. Isn’t that along with moving Hjammer’s contract enough to sign Suter?
Still agree that he probably won’t end up with the Hawks either way.
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The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Feb 3, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
unlike*
Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Feb 3, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
It's not this year but next that is the issue
The Salary Cap is up 2M more than expected because of a quirk in the exchange rates. Then Sharp gets 2M more next year. Put those together and you don’t have the space to sign Suter. Nobody is expecting the new Cap to be higher next year. Not with a new CBA.
gotcha thanks for the clarification
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The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Feb 3, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
he is the closest
to him in the NHL. The guy is coming off a hip that made this season a bit tougher, and is still producing.
I think of Kes as the American counter to Mr Serious Canada
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Kesler is the poor man's Jonathan Toews.
I heard him and Vigneault got into a hissy fit recently becuase Kes wasn’t scoring enough.
Then i look at the stats last night and he has 15 goals. not bad for someone recovering froma hip ijury
what do other people think is the closest guy to Toews in playing style?
I always thought Zach Parise was the closest to Toew’s game.
It’s also interesting that Parise (MN), Toews (MN) and Kesler (MI) all played high school hockey in the states.
But Seriously...
Let’s assume Nashville realizes what we all know: they aren’t going to beat two of the three of Vancouver, San Jose, Detroit and the Blackhawks to get to the Cup Finals. Suter said he’s gone last week… so the Preds probably should deal him.
What would it take to get Suter? Obviously you don’t want to give up much since he’s (probably) a rental, but the Hawks can take on his salary with ease this year. Morin and a pick and if they’d take Hammer, then Hammer? Another blueline prospect like Olsen? Do you not do that deal then?
Who plays in Hammer's role next year then?
and this still doesn’t solve the bottom pairing.
by Katherine215 on Feb 3, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
You have to get this out of your head
For one, where did Suter say he was gone? Two, Nashville absolutely will not trade him to a division rival unless they are bowled over by an offer. Three, this offer does not even give them a breeze let alone bowl them over.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 3, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
why do Nashville not beat anyone they want to?
they’re Very Good At Hockey
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
I don't think he's going anywhere this season
unless they fall out of contention, and so far that doesn’t look likely.
chances:
him going anywhere: small
him going within the division: tiny
him going within the division for a #4 defenseman, a career AHL player, a projected 4th liner at best, and a 1st rounder: infinitesimal
SCH moderator.
quick
someone get over there and give that man a subdural hematoma.
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for making me laugh
I hate to hear these words, "We hope you enjoyed the broadcast in spite of the outcome." I would rather enjoy the outcome inspite of the broadcast.
by I Love Hawkey on Feb 3, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
i like
the spotlight on the lines. that first line looks furious, but from there down, the experimenting is getting ridiculous. i didn’t even know what any of the other lines were, including the d (other than keith/seabs).
Brunette going down mixed that up
but Bickell again was pretty ineffective.
Whay did we send Hayes down?
The Voice of Reason
Didn’t realize that about Shaw – I’ll have to watch for that tonight.
I won’t go so far as to blame the refs, but we did take way too many stupid penalties. Barkers hit on Shaw was a clean hit.
Still, in a game where a lot of fans think our season could be over, we had 47 shots on goal. As that one Ice crew girl would say – sheeeeiiiittt.
That first goal on Emery
Shaw ran way out of position to hit Hall when Hjalmarsson already had him taken care of. That was egregiously bad by Shaw, and opened up the passing lane to Gagner.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 3, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup, that's one of them
Another time he chased the puck below the goal line and went down to the ice. The player was already covered. Shaw never gets back into the play for at least 5 seconds, so the Oil essentially had a 5on4 and scored.
Another time he wandered up high out of position, leaving Bolly with two guys to cover. Shaw was just awful on D. A fast team like Edmonton exposes guys that run out of position like that. I’m pretty sure Shaw was on the ice for at least 4 goals (one was that Hall cherry pick, so not on Shaw), but had a good part of the blame on 3. And the 3rd line only avg’d about 9 min EV TOI. That was a lot of damage in very little time.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah there was a time or 2
that I noticed Hammer attempting to ride Hall down the boards and Shaw would drift towards them and leave the slot open for a moment.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
I know I'm getting better at understanding defensive assignments
when I think something about a goal (like this one) and I’m right! yay, me. I was like, what is Shaw doing, there’s a guy coming behind – oh, fuck.
That decision stuck out like a sore thumb
Naturally, Foley and Edzo did not mention it. I think at that point they were just done.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 3, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
As soon as I posted I knew it came out wrong
Wasn’t saying it wasn’t an astute observation, just that I was surprised Eddie didn’t mention it.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 3, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
More #ShawFacts
The kid doesn’t belong on the first powerplay unit. I’ve seen enough of that audition tape too.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
He just missed a back to the goal, backhand put back on the pp last night.
I hate to hear these words, "We hope you enjoyed the broadcast in spite of the outcome." I would rather enjoy the outcome inspite of the broadcast.
by I Love Hawkey on Feb 3, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I noticed that about Shaw as well. I wonder how Q feels about it though
He puts him out on every situation and seems to trust him, but feels like if that isn’t something that is trained out of him, it’ll keep happening, and worse as we move further along.
And maybe I’m alone with this, but when the quote came out from Q about him taking longer shifts and having the highest, a lot of people were like YAY SHAW he really wants to stay up here, but while I like him, I don’t know if he should be lauded for doing things that he really shouldn’t be despite it showcasing his desire to be up here.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 3, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Bottom line:
The Hawks probably win this game easily tonight with NHL-caliber goaltending.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Also
The PK was 6 of 7 – with a shorty – against a damn good PP. So I’m not really sure I’m going to single out special teams as a problem tonight.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
I really didn't see a big problem with the PK tonight either,
other than the self-screen. That was unfortunate.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 3, 2012 4:12 AM CST up reply actions
regardless of
how well the pk might have been, 7 penalties doesn’t exactly bode well for trying to get into a groove and win a game.
True
but as the wise man once said, “Do not trouble yourself over things that are clearly anomalies.”
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
well PPs are still absolute pants. That's what really gotme.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Well, about that
Whatevercan be said of EDM’s 41 shots, the Hawks undeniably brought more offensive firepower to that game.
Author of The Cubs Transaction Report
Edm had 7 pp's
They got 7 shots from just one of them.
Meanwhile, the Hawks had 47 shots on goal, and had 0 shots on net one or more of their own PP opportunities.
WTF
i guess that could account for so many shots...
Still, if were as good as we think we are, (on a normal day), i would expect a team of the Oilers quality to have less than 30. that was playgound ball out there last night.
ohmeeeoooohmy
Khabibulin Redux?
Is our goaltending situation that bad that it needs to revisit this story once again? Weren’t the four years previous of the Bulin Wall enough to qualm any appetite for his return?
I don’t know what the answer is here other than play Razor a few games a see if he can carry the mail before we head down that road as Crawford is not the same goaltender he was last year. He’s the 1996 Jim Carey and/or Blaine Lacher, the 2003 Andrew Raycroft, or the 2010 Steve Mason. I don’t which and I don’t really care that much anymore as it may be over for him moving forward.
It’s 52 games into the year, the “wait ’til he turns it around” schtick has over-run his course as it’s not going to turn around in the next 10 games or the next 10 after that. He has regressed to the mean that CNS and others that watched him play in Rockford told us about. Now you know why they were so surprised that he became the starter that he became last year.
Tough to witness this, but the reality is – Crawford has become another footnote in the Blackhawks history of failed starting netminders since Ed Belfour. The curse of Eddie lives!
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
re: Belfour
yeah that Niemi guy was a total failure for us ;)
by HighTrafficArea on Feb 3, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
How funny would it be
if Razor went down and we had Huet backing up Khabby come playoff time?
by VerStig on Feb 3, 2012 3:03 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
If we would've traded for Gagner...
we would’ve won 12-0 tonight. Fact.
Sometimes too much to drink is barely enough.
by capra on Feb 3, 2012 4:42 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Nothing to trade
Nice going Bowman, ya got tough guys who are not tough, and now we have two kinds of players the ones you can’t move and the ones you don’t want to move.
by ottawamymind on Feb 3, 2012 5:45 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
thought he was 22
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The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Feb 3, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
You know who's happiest today?
Devan Dubnyk. If Crawford doesn’t melt down everyone’s talking about how many bad goals that guy gave up.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 3, 2012 6:29 AM CST reply actions
Groundhog day was yesterday. Somewhere Bill Murray is just waking up again..
OT I know but after last nights repeat debacle from November a little humor may go a long way this morning.
Groundhog Day 2012: Punxsutawney Phil sees shadow, 6 more weeks of Blackhawks causing their fanbase to experience chest pains, shortness or breath and calls for random trades to be completed.
Where you goin? Nowhere!
I thought about the same thing
And I still want to punch Ned Ryerson in the face today
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 8:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Crow has to go
I defended him earlier during his “slump”, but he’s done. Give it to Emery and ride that through the playoffs. Occasionally good Crawford means he should occasionally be in net, as the back up.
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 6:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I've been starting to jump on this now
I’m not saying trade him or get another tender right now. He is in that year long slump. I just can’t take that. Emery should get the start tomorrow and ride with that and see how we do.
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
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Oh, and anyone I called stupid or mocked in defending Crow
sorry.
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
I have never been a fan of Crow.
Every goalie can stand on his head some games. Great goalies do it more often.
My problem with Crow is he come out of his net way too much. With the exception of last year.
Most of the games he would get called up before last. He would let in soft goals regularly and challenge too much.
Last year he had a great year. Chances he does it again playing this aggressive?
When I decide to change my personality I will let you know what I become.
by Blackhawks Transplant on Feb 3, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Crow is still odds-on favorite
but it’s February. Next time he’s between the pipes, he should treat it like a job interview.
We like our people!
Apropo Hamms beer reference.
Used to be (mid ‘60s) a commercial with the Hamms bear playing goalie in a hockey game. An opponent bears (sorry) down on him and shoots fom right in front of him. It looks like it should be an easy save for him. But he looks down………and there’s a 4" X 3" cutout in the middle of his stick. Goal.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
ballyb, still very worried about the goaltending?
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by Saskjet on Feb 3, 2012 7:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Prescient?
I use a fucking rear view mirror.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
I drank a can of Hamm's late one night at a Poker game...
it almost made me quit drinking. One of the regulars would bring a 12 pack of Hamms or Meisterbrau – which ever was cheaper.
One of my favorites when I was a little tike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7HoWEk6y8
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by thepuckstopshere31 on Feb 3, 2012 7:30 AM CST reply actions
I've got an idea
I’m going to do a Corey Crawford/Iron Sheik fusion twitter account. “I fuck the Hawks. Make them humble.”
by it'snotsomuchmeasitisroenick on Feb 3, 2012 7:32 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
When did this website turn from ...
hockey news and analysis to a psychological character study of people who would trade Patrick Kane?
I can’t help but think it’s not their fault that the Hawks and playing poorly (could be wrong; have been before), but they seem to come up in every post about that subject.
I politely withdraw my snarky comment based on lack of knowledge.
by Billy Charlesbois on Feb 3, 2012 7:48 AM CST reply actions
Time for Huet
and I’m not kidding – not this time, not after last night’s performance. Bring him back and give him a few games and see how he handles it. I fail to see how he could be demonstrably worse than Crow at this point, and the team needs to see if he’s a viable option going into the playoffs. IOW, Ray may be Teh ONE, but does anyone want to stake their bets on that being a reality?
heres my goaltending solution
Two Words: Marty Turco.
Let that idea marinate your brains in awesome for a bit.
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
Lets bring Eddie Belfour out of retirement
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
I still think a NHL team needs to hire one of those 900lb fat bastards
that have to be winched out of bed with an industrial crane, and stick him in net. Pay him in chili cheese dogs and deep fried butter (this exists btw). Fuckin brilliant, I tell you.
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
I think someone brought up the point
that the guy could be 900lbs, but the equipment has to be regulation size. So he has to be willing to take pucks to the unprotected areas.
stupid reality.
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
But he would be cushioned
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 3, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
same
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Is Huet even in the country?
UMD Bulldogs: 2011 NCAA DI Men's Hockey Nat'l Champions; 2008 & 2010 NCAA DII Football Nat'l Champions
Shit, when the hell could the NHL start loaning out players?
What is this, soccer?
UMD Bulldogs: 2011 NCAA DI Men's Hockey Nat'l Champions; 2008 & 2010 NCAA DII Football Nat'l Champions
this subject has already been covered here
there is nothing preventing the Hawks from getting Huet back unless he refuses. There is no downside to trying him out back there – unless you count the meatheads.
And his salary cap hit
To me that is the #1 to not entertain the idea.
Maybe DH can say for sure, but since he is on a Hawks SPC his full hit is on the Hawks Cap, not prorated like a trade.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 3, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Huet
The loan agreements between the NHL and European teams are not in the CBA or online. So they dictate “when” a player loaned from the NHL to them can be returned to the NHL.
Minimally, after the European’s team season is over, Huet could return to the NHL. As CNS has pointed out, you probably want to wait until after the trade deadline since Huet needs to pass through re-entry waivers.
The Salary cap works on a day by day basis. This means every player on the active roster’s salary is prorated for that day of the season. So Huet’s salary only counts against the cap for every day he is on the Active roster.
I respectfully disagree, Waylon. I don’t think there’s anythnig meatheaded in believing that Huet wouldn’t solve any problems. I think there’s a reasonable argument to be had that Huet is still Huet and playing in Switzerland for a reason.
Also, I haven’t been around a ton lately, but isn’t there anything legally keeping Huet there? Can we just nab him because we suck in goal? I would imagine the Swiss team has earned some propietary rights with him as an asset.
www.mjt.org
he is still under contract for the hawks at 5.something
we loaned him to the swiss in order to clear cap space, and remove him from the system (rockford) so that we still can develop our young goalies.
if we bring him back we still have to pay him 5.3? and it counts against the cap
SCH moderator.
We're paying him either way
The only question is the cap space. Would it be prorated at least? Would sending Crow down to Rockford offset that cap hit somewhat?
You also have to consider waivers
Unlikely, but in your suggestion both would have to clear waivers on these moves.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 3, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Wasn't my suggestion
But is a very good point nonetheless. :)
I’d rather see a trade for a D-man capable of playing real minutes to keep Scott riding the pine.
i believe he would also have to clear waivers
and maybe some team like Tampa might claim him and only have half his caphit count
Life is risk
crow is on a 1 way
if we sent him down others could pick him up. yes it would offset but its a little nuts. cap space is about 5.1 ish crow sent down would save us 3, add huet @ 5.6! and we are 1.9 under. high risk move for minimal gains
SCH moderator.
1 way has nothing to do with it
Waivers does though. If a team claims a player off of waivers AFTER the trade deadline, they can’t play him that season. Therefore there would be no reason for another team to claim him and pick up his salary since he’ll be a FA after the season.
So if the Hawks wait, they can bring him back.
- It doesn’t cost them a penny more than it is now.
- It doesn’t cost them a roster spot because the roster is unlimited after the trade deadline.
- And it doesn’t prevent them from making other moves because they can puck up about $22M in contracts and still be under the cap.
I’m not saying he’s the answer, but there’s nothing wrong with bringing in another goalie. NOTHING. And who KNOWS who the “real” Huet is? He was elite for 4 years. He wasn’t for 2. He’s the top goalie in the Swiss A league right now. The answer could be lying in the Hawks own backyard. To not look there would be foolish.
Plus, even during Huet’s meltdown year, his stats were all as good or better than Crow’s are this year. If some think Crow might still come around, what’s so ridiculous that Huet might have pulled it back together after 2 years?
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
thats a shifty move there
Cap Space is my main concern
how do they puke up 22M in contracts?
and how do they end up under the cap?
SCH moderator.
They don't have to "puke up" ANY contracts
On a prorated basis, they will have enough cap space to bring on $24M at the deadline if they do nothing.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
There really isn't much of a point to send Crow to Rockford
Kinda like the send Dunn to the minors argument….
Rockford has some very good development in goal going on right now… there is hope.
I understand all teh salary implications, and that we’re paying him, but I would expect that in the loan agreement there would be a stipulation, or provisions, that prevent us from just taking him back whenever we wanted. It might just be a financial thing—give them a million and we can take him back. I don’t know; it might be stiffer than that, though, or something along the lines of not being able to grab him until their season is done.
www.mjt.org
I don't quite get the Huet idea
He struggled for 2 years here with much better team defense in front of him than he’d have this season.
I’m not saying he’s completely incapable of being an attempt at a solution, but Huet struggled with his confidence here and he’d let a bad goal snowball into a “goaltending loss”, just like we’re seeing from Crow.
The fans here were on Huet from the start of his Hawks career, and I can’t imagine they’d give him much of a shot the second time around. Maybe I’m putting too much into how the reaction of the Hawks’ fans would impact his play, but I think it’s worth noting.
This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.
as one of my friends who has followed the Hawks since the 60's said...
“Huet is the worst goalie ever. Pee wee goalies are better. Desperate times call for desperate mesasures, eh? Truth of the matter is we’re not that desperate. Crow had a great game against the nucks – just stay in the damn net.
it's more than just staying in the net
see the Hall and Barker goals
His “new style” is causing a lot of his issues, but he’s probably not going to go changing that midseason.
This is Hack in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.
I recall two bad ones...
where crow was way to far out of the crease. The wrap around that my grandmother could have scored on and that one where he went to hit Hall about 3 feet out in front of his crease.
The barker goal was from the twi-light zone – As that old Persian saying goes, “When fate turns against you, even jelly will break your teeth.”
This isn't a "new style"
This is the same shit he did in Rockford all the time. It always looked like he was “surprised” by shots.
True Story
He just wasn’t nearly as aggressive last season.
When I decide to change my personality I will let you know what I become.
by Blackhawks Transplant on Feb 3, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
I agree. If we’re so bloody lost that we need to bring in Huet, then the impression, real or not, is that we’re desperate for a savior. When that falls through—because whatever Huet is, he is not a savior—then the crash will be hard, and real.
www.mjt.org
I was not suggesting a savior by any means
just some options that haven’t been considered yet. You want to give your team the best options available, and aside from Huet I don’t see many others out there right now.
Some people look at Huey and ask: why?
I ask: why not?
Either you ride Crow or Ray, or you look for someone new.
Unlike other options, Huey’s right under your nose- little or no cost (beyond steamrolling whatever rights the puny Swiss club claims.)
Yes, he is a headcase. But two years ago, he buckled under the burden of being a high-priced bust on a Stanley Cup favorite. Talk about blowing the opportunity of a lifetime! The guy has stared into the abyss.
This year, he would be a desperation choice for a team that is a comparative longshot. Loosey goosey, nothing to lose. Completely different dynamic.
We like our people!
ask not what you can do for France
ask what France can do for you.
Huet was a pretty damn good goalie against the Wings in the conference finals when he took over for an injured Huet.
Still hoping Crow snaps out of it.
*injured Khabby
and Game 4 was a little ugly before Game 5 was damn good. Pretty sure Crawford played in the 2nd period (?) of game 4.
I agree with wholeheartedly
Very well put. But I too, am beginning to question my own existence. Are we seriously pining for Huet???
Has it really come to this?
I’m glad I can sit on my couch, drink a couple IPA’s and watch the game and not have to be the one making these decisions. I mean, to actually make that move and bring him in… holy mother of pearl.
ANYONE SEE #17 ON THE POINT FOR THE PP??
What the FUCK is that? Seriously?
Puckin' Hostile
@PuckingHostile
-Matt Cooke is a turd burglar. He burgles ALL the turds.-
-At least he's not Cam Janssen. What a bag of dicks that guy is.-
He was there last game too
I don’t even know.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 3, 2012 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
Yep this forwards on D and D as forwards shit
Needs to go, but it wont happen
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
"That's not a moon... That's a space station."
That’s where I’m at in the 2011-2011 season right now. I thought we’d arrived at the right place with everyone healthy (kinda healthy) and were set to get back to work. But, I still a performance like I saw tonight from Corey Crawford and I know that eventually, Ben Kenobi is going to die still. Doesn’t mean we can’t disable a tractor beam and bullseye a womprat to save ourselves.
Yup, I’m going full need on you guys this morning.
The Oilers are our jawas. Annoying little bastards that will always give us problems and steal our droids. They’re still going to get beat up by the sand people and ultimately waxed by the stormtroopers that lead their division. Forget the Oilers though. We left Tatooine a long time ago and there was nothing left for us there anyways.
I’m ready for Ray too. Corey must learn (rebound) control and until he does and on a consistent basis, we’re a two goalie team. Hopefully Corey remembers his failure at the cave (Rexall) and builds on it.
We’re in Cowtown tonight. A win and we collect those building plans for the space station which puts us right back on track. A loss, and Yavin IV becomes that much closer in range for the Death Star.
/pushes glasses up nose
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 8:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions 8 recs
The typos from my phone make me as angry as the PP last night
But you guys know what I meant. Please don’t break my wookie.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 8:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I rec this for the exceptional use of Star Wars analogies
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
one of my favorite things about hockey fandom
is the awesome geekiness.
“Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.”
Jonathan Toews- "Oh Captain, My Captain"
Follow me on Twitter- @xkaren08
O/T - but fits well with JMH's brilliant comment:
For the Star Wars geeks and dog lovers:
Volkswagen “Bark Side” ad
Let's Go Hawks!
by K_Dog on Feb 3, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
I’d love to have Chewbacca on the PK.
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
no hes fucking jar jar binks
useless and rage inducing
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Sometimes you shit the bed.
Change the sheets, wash your clothes, switch up your dietary intake tomorrow, and don’t talk about it to anyone.
Beat Calgary.
by Hi, I'm Bob LeDonne on Feb 3, 2012 8:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions 10 recs
I think I read that in my
365 Inspirational Phrases desk calendar
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
haha rec'd
UMD Bulldogs: 2011 NCAA DI Men's Hockey Nat'l Champions; 2008 & 2010 NCAA DII Football Nat'l Champions
what the Hawks needed last night was the her brooks approach after the game
tell the custodian we’ll lock up.
whisltle sound – “Line em up.”
Honestly though, it wasn't bad, right up until the 3rd period...
Then everything went to shit honestly, as we already know. But on any other night though, four goals usually leads to a win or a shot at OT. This is still a really good team, just on occasional bad form at wrong times (Being an Arsenal fan, it’s been like that for the past seven years…). So what do we do? Well as fans, not much really… Demanding trades and protesting not going to games isn’t going to do a whole lot, because the front office doesn’t read into fans emotions and anybody would be more than happy to take that ticket your about to give up in protest.
In my opinion, I think we should stick with Emery for a little while, maybe scout out some goaltending help, definitely start looking at the market for a new defenseman, and possibly send Crow on an assignment. I’m not sure what that will do to his morale (it can’t be that good to begin with in the first place), but that’s just what I would do.
Good read though from a logical, calm headed standpoint. I can only imagine all the solutions being brought up by the drunken meatheads at the bars…
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by bmasson11 on Feb 3, 2012 8:33 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Random Stats
John Scott – 1 blocked shot, 1 hit, 12 shifts
Brian Bickell – 1SOG, 1 blocked shot, 1 hit, 12 shifts
Since I refuse to look at the box score
what were the minutes?
What i dont understand is you play 2 guys who play 5 or 6 minutes. Then the others get heavy minutes. Next thing someone goes down (Brunette) and shit you have to give more minutes to those other guys since you dont and can’t trust the 2 fucking morons you dressed
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not defending
Huet Crow, but Emery statistaclly did WORSE then Crow after he was relieved.
Crow 23 for 28 in 43:35 (0.821 SV% and 6.88 GAA)
Ray 10 for 13 in16:17 (0.769 SV% and 11.06 GAA)
Sam mentioned taking out 3 games Ray sucked in and his stats are good. Well 3 starts is 20% of his starts, you do the same for Crow you end up with 7 games scrached he has a 0.914 SV% or greater and about a 2.50 GAA.
I know this is not the best comparisson, but at least should give an idea.
If Crow is the problem (and he is at least a big part of it) is Emery the answer?
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 3, 2012 8:38 AM CST reply actions
The problem is Emery isn't very good when...
He comes in relief. I think it’s because the hips, he doesn’t have a full day or 40 minutes to warm up as he stated in an interview earlier in the year. I think you will see a better Emery tonight
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
The guys in front of him had thrown in the towel after goal #6
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 8:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yup, it was Ray Emery Vs The World
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
crap, if every loss could produce a 3rd period SCH poster self inflicted wound
i wouldn’t mind losses so much.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 8:49 AM CST reply actions
Oh I gotta hear this one
Do explain, please.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
go click on the 3rd period thread
scroll to the bottom
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
holy shit that was awesome
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
where the hell did that come from?
was that commenter also on the earlier threads? Seemed to come from out of the blue.
he wasnt there the whole night, but is a semi regular commenter
was pretty Active previously
SCH moderator.
i see what you did there
Chicago homer since conception in '87
The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Feb 3, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
his meds must have worn off or something.
just a complete meltdown. bad blackhawk hockey can do that to people.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
correction
corey crawford can do that to people*
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
anActiveStick
He’s been known to go off the rails before.
Hopefully this time he’ll make good on his promise to be done with this site.
"I have only space enough to add: against the assault of desperate pandas nothing can stand."
-ChicoMaki (channeling Mark Twain)
by HungryHungryPanda on Feb 3, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
there is nothing to freak out about until emery consistently shits the bed.
it can only get better at this point…
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 8:51 AM CST reply actions
lets put Fro in net
I mean, he obviously cant score
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
he must be an expert on how to play goaltender
after getting shut down by them for a fucking year
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
/
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
for those of you who don't know already
this is walt jr. from the tv series breaking bad. the resemblance to frolik is uncanny IMO.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
Forward on the point on the PP
I’ll shovel Q’s driveway, wash his car and walk his dog for the remainder of his days if he stops putting a forward there. I have really reached my wits end with it and audibly groan every time the powerplay takes the ice now.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 9:16 AM CST reply actions
its really fucking bad
we get a man advantage and then turn into the Columbus Blue Jackets.
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Q ain't stupid either
Which makes it all the more bewildering that he continues to trot out a broken unit.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
he might be insane though
they stuck with that stupid backdoor play for weeks expecting a different result as well
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Reminds me of that scene near the end of The Rock
Captain Frye: You changed the coordinates, didn’t you, General?
General Hummel: That’s affirmative, Captain.
Sergeant Crisp: So now they think we’re gutless, the feds? They think we won’t actually do it?
Captain Frye: They’re going to come at us with everything they got. Air and sea. They’re going to bomb our ass back to the Stone Age.
Major Tom Baxter: They don’t know we missed on purpose.
Captain Frye: Great. We’re not gutless, we’re incompetent.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully all of the twitter accolades Gagner is getting
fire the Hawks the fuck up.
https://twitter.com/#!/hallsy04/status/165303364563910657/photo/1
post that one in the locker room Q.
Kruger
shouldn’t we mention his miss/inability to get the puck up despite having five minutes to lift it at 4-4 was also an important moment in the game?
So I heard the Hawks had a bad game last night?
Not sure though, missed the game went to bed early last had (had a terrible night mare though).
Looked at the Standing Hawks still sitting pretty in the West, would be nicer to be up a few more spots, but they are firmly in a playoff spot, so this is cool.
Anyways, back to business tonight I expect the Hawks to do some curb stomping, and am willing to bet to see Kaner just blast out of his slump.
See you all then.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Feb 3, 2012 9:24 AM CST reply actions
Oilers are to Hawks as...
…Hurricanes are to Bruins.
When not playing Boston, Carolina is 15-25-9; when not playing Carolina, Boston is 32-11-2.
When they play each other this season, Carolina is 4-0-0.
Why? I have no real idea and neither does anybody in Boston (they’d sure like to know though). Since the Hurricanes aren’t going to sniff a playoff spot and the Bruins are certain to be in, the importance of those weird head-to-head results is arguably fairly limited though.
maybe just the fuck out of Alberta next year
forfeit the games 1-0. This will prevent loss of confidence in goaltending and ledge jumping
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
Lemmings eventually jump no matter what
Sometimes it can’t be prevented.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
The only solution is unleash thermonuclear warfare on Alberta.
What are the fucking Canadiens going to do about it? Nothing, that’s what.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Canadians will just think Vancouver lost in the SCF again.
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
still laughing!
boom goes London and boom Paree
more room for you and more room for me,
We’ll save Australia, don’t want to hurt no Kangaroo
Good. I've always been a proponent of using up the world's oil as quickly as possible.
That way, it forces science to innovate and we can stop caring about the Middle East.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
haven't you heard how successful our green energy is
by wardrums on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Soylndra rec.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
by HjammerTime on Feb 3, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We'll politely ask you to put down your weapon and go have a beer.
And then we’ll orchestrate a sweet pipeline deal to ship you more oil.
No bombs please!
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I apologize to Ray Emery
I stated at the beginning of the year he would cost the Hawks 4 points because of his style. I was wrong. Crawford’s style has been the culprit.
Please send this message to him. Thanks
Lead writer of nothing, commenter on everything.
This is one of those times that I really hate being right but...
…as anybody who knows me will attest, I went into this season saying over and over again that my #1 concern was teh goalie situation. I just wasn’t convinced that, based on very small sample size, that a career minor leaguer of very mediocre (according to reports) ability was the guy to hand over the keys to the kingdom.
Stanbo and the braintrust fucked up big time on this one and, because of that, we now have a season hanging in the balance. Hopefully Emery bails us out the rest of the way since I’d be shocked if we actually went out and got help from Switzerland.
I left the bar with 5 mins left in the 3rd so I missed this
Simply deplorable from Ed Olczyk.
The Ugly
After Gagner’s eighth point, the following exchange took place between the Blackhawks’ broadcast team:
Olczyk: “I think at some point now Pat, you got the Oilers up by four goals, you got guys that got eight points out on the ice…the coach keeps throwing them back out there.”
Foley: “Whatsamatter, I mean why shouldn’t HE? ‘Sposed to play your fourth liners now?! I don’t disagree with that at all!”
Olczyk: “I think somebody needs to take notice of that. I think if you saw off that last faceoff, Marcus Kruger gave a pretty good chop to the hand of, I think it was Gagner that took the faceoff…I think I put this one into the memory bank and when you get the opportunity to…”
Olczyk was cut off by Foley pointing out the goons on the ice for the Blackhawks, matched against the Oilers fourth line. But way to go Ed Olczyk. Applause all around for you. Nothing like advocating for, and approving of purposefully injuring another player because he scored a bunch of goals. Good on you. For his sake, let’s hope your kid doesn’t find success at Penn State and run into an opposing coach with your same mouth-breathing views on the game.
Thanks for making me feel ashamed to be a Hawks fan, Eddie.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 9:53 AM CST reply actions
i remember
that exchange. foley was pissed. was waiting to see how the comments would roll out on sch. no such thing as a mercy rule in professional sports and gooning it up doesn’t do anything but make you look like a sore loser.
after the interruption, i think eddie tried to clarify it a bit and make it more about using a loss like this as motivation in the next match between the teams. problem is, this has happened before, and this was the game we got out of it.
Goalie guru....
was hall’s goal on the semi-breakaway the piece of cake save everyone thinks i is? What the hell happenned on Barkers shot?
barkers
was a mulligan. a pro goalie’s got to stop that, but it happens from time to time, you just whiff.
the hall one was unfortunate. i didn’t catch a replay, so i didn’t see if the puck changed direction against seabs stick. if so, that coulda been the culprit. otherwise, seabs did his job trying to force him wide. a shovel shot can do some weird things, but for an nhl goalie, that needs to be stopped.
does any player, beside toews,...
have to concentrate as hard as a goalie. The “heor or zero” position.
Hope crow had a few beers last night. One time i was kind of depressed and and had a few beers and then I started feeling better again.
i actually
think for some of these guys, good backup competition needs to be around. i’ve always thought the whole “#1 goaltender” designation was a bit of a crap idea. to me, you have to prove yourself night in, night out and if you aren’t getting the job done, the backup should be taking quality starts, no matter your contract or how well known your name is. sitting and having to battle your way back into good standing can only be a positive to me.
i didn’t have any beer to drink last night, but i did polish off a bottle of scotch. they are going faster these days, for some reason.
Even if Hall's hit Seabs' stick
it then hit Crawford. and redirected in off of him (If memory serves)
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
As someone with meatball tendencies, even I sort of shook my head.
My thoughts immediately went to the Vancouver game last year where AV lost his shit after the Hawks put out their 1st PP unit while up a bunch.
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Hawks didn't put out there number one power play unit.
Hawks just rolled 4 lines through their power play and AV went bonkers and was wrong there.
Oilers were double shifting the “8 point player” at the end of a blowout game. Totally different scenario and something an ex player like Edzo would “notice.”
My line of thinking in all pro sports right here
This is professional sports. You don’t want to be scored on? Stop somebody.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Edzo pointed it out
He is the analyst and SHOULD point it out when the other team does something like that.
It’s NOT like the Hawks complained or something. That would be different. Edzo is the color analyst. If he doesn’t point that out, he isn’t doing his job.
No one is saying otherwise, Dale
His insinuation that the player should be intentionally injured is the fault. Merely saying I agree with Skags on stopping someone instead of complaining in general.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 3, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
You are "reading that" into his comments.
All I read is that “team’s notice” such things. Hawks did NOT goon it up there. Though they did “check” anything that moved which isn’t their normal style.
Personally, I’m not putting a “little guy” out at the end of a blowout to let the other team “check” him but that is just me.
Point it out, state its a pimpy move. Dont call for an injury to a dude who had a good night
side note: I personally think if you are stomping ass, you should intentionally try to run up the score. Keep scoring, fuck ’em if they think its unsportsmanlike.
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by BigCSouthside on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
AV was wrong about that though.
Q just rolled all 4 lines on that PP and AV saw 19 and 88 and had a coronary. Not that it matters much anyway.
I kind of felt like they were running up the score a bit, and I honestly (homer glasses aside) think Q is careful about not doing that.
by Katherine215 on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Olczyk
sounded like a complete ass. My waning respect for him took another big hit.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Quick update : I got another interview at that place. So it all worked out :)
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Did you send a note or call back?
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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Just like I suggested.
Wait, was that me? Damn. At least I still have my hat!
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
well
he was a hot mess during the interview- I mean, all over the place.
But this follow-up e-mail: snappy, to the point.
Dammit, the kid has moxie! Let’s bring him back in!
We like our people!
by cliffkoroll on Feb 3, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yay congrats and good luck at the next one
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 3, 2012 4:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
surprising involved interview process
at the Sugar Shack.
Let's Go Hawks!
by K_Dog on Feb 3, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he has been getting steadily worse
as a White Sox fan I listen to alot of Hawk and I can take that just fine, Edzo is really starting to get into some dangerous territory here. Suggesting a team respond to obvious dirty play is one thing, doing it because they embarrassed you is another.
I lost most respect for Edzo after the Campbell incident but at this point he is throwing out the red meat to the meatballs worse then the GOP candidates are right now.
Which Campbell incident?
where he called him a 5th defenseman and said he wasn’t a loss? I ever meet Eddie, I swear to god I’m going to ask him to explain that logic.
by Katherine215 on Feb 3, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
You guys are really overstating a 5 second sound bite.
With 74 as the Defensive pair and 82 as the offensive pair, Campbell WAS playing a lot of 3rd pair minutes (17/game). Something that Leddy has NOT been doing this year. Sure Campbell came in and also played 10 more minutes on the top two pairs but how do you explain all of that in a 5 second soundbite?
Not that I want to defend Edzo but the feeding frenzy is in full force right now…
Good point about the feeding frenzy
It’s either tear Edzo to pieces or focus on the abysmal game and what can be done to fix it. Since fixing the problems with the Hawks is no easy task it’s much easier to gnaw on the carcass formerly known as Eddie O.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
Personally
I don’t think I’ve ever been hard on Edzo here before. I seem to like him more than most here.
But I was very disappointed in him at the end of last night’s game. It wasn’t just the insinuations (clear, I thought) that the Hawks should get goony, but all the big talk about “always remembering” Gagner being put out there. I mean, there’s no point in big talk of any kind there, because they two teams don’t play again and have virtually no chance of meeting in the playoffs. .
For all practical purposes, there won’t be a “next time.” This is it – they had their chance to do something about it, and failed. It was just empty showboating, which, combined with the bloodlust left a bad taste.
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The game last night WAS the next time
lest we forget the 9-2 ass pounding we took last time. That is the part that bothers me most. Everyone was saying how important of a game it was, even Kitchen said it while being interviewed before the start of the 2nd. The Hawks had a lot riding on that game last night and weren’t able to keep their foot on the accelerator, whether it be crows fault, the bad penalty calls whatever. With the long road trip and the result from the last tilt against the Oilers the Hawks should of had bloodlust for this game, they didn’t.
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Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Feb 3, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Except that they just destroyed EDM at even strength
in terms of puck possession, shots on goal, etc. They looked fired up to me, at least until Crow started letting pucks in too fast for the Hawks offense to keep up with.
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The Oilers
still scored three goals after crow was pulled, now I’m not blaming Emery, to me he is the exact opposite type of goalie you want coming into a game cold, with his history of injuries and what he goes through to warm up. But the Hawks (re: NOT JUST Crawford) let in 8 goals last night against the same team that put up 9 against them last time.
That’s all I’m saying, none of that should have happened, but it did, maybe it was because the Hawks took the peddle off after they took the lead, maybe due to Crow having an “off” night or the fact that Bickell and Scott combined for about 10 min of ice time or Bruno went down injured. Those things all happened as well, but they still let in 8, that falls on everyone. And with how important of a game everyone said it was it was disappointing to see that as the result.
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The best and fastest way to learn a sport is to watch and imitate a champion.
-- Jean-Claude Killy
Cannots take note^
by TazerNation19 on Feb 3, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Campbell played under 18 minutes
4 times in his final 2 seasons with the Hawks, and two of those he left the game with injuries. He averaged 23 minutes of TOI in both of those seasons, as well. I think it’s pretty easy to say, “He was a pretty important part of our defense as a #2-3 defenseman and his puck moving skills will be missed.” Also, he had the same TOI average as Seabs in 09-10 and 1 minute less in 10-11. So he really was a #2-3.
For the record, I didn’t think Eddie’s comments meant they should goon it up until I read that here. I thought he was pointing out something along the same lines as what AV did.
by Katherine215 on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
He sort of backtracked and said that the Hawks should keep it in mind the next time they played.
I don’t know if that meant they should run up the score the next game or if they should take someone out.
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I was thinking run up the score
but I must’ve missed the John Scott comment and pretty much was only half listening at that point anyway.
by Katherine215 on Feb 3, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
olczyk turned into a fucking meathead
“i hope john scott just grabs somebody…trails off”
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Apparently Eddie wanted the last 5 minutes of a blowout game
to take 20 or 30 just like when he played…and I remember Pat doing the broadcasts way back when and he hated that shit then and I’m glad to hear he still hates it now.
At some point...
He said John Scott just needs to grab someone…. Not sure how that would have helped….
he needed to grab someone and tell them to stop embarrassing him.
maybe shake them a couple of times to make sure his point got across.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Eddie
how about we STOP EM? it’s professional hockey not 12 year olds running up the score on their opponent!
idiotic statement by EDZO.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
This is one of those times
Where hockey is so much better than other sports. You don’t have to wallow in depression for a whole week waiting to put things right.
Though obviously if they fluff their lines tonight too, then it’s going to be a long weekend.
Oh man... I agree to a point
If the Hawks do anyting short of 2 points tonight, we gotta sit and stew everyday until Tuesday, wondering the whole time if Stan’s going to make a move and if Emery is taking the reigns.
Anything less than two points tonight… heaven help us.
Looks like a classy bunch. Type you could take home to momma.
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by HjammerTime on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Those sticks they've got are absolutely fuckin horrible looking.
Looks like someone grabbed some spray paint and went to town on an old FibreLite KoHo.
You are next.
by M7 on Feb 3, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
not sure if
anyone posted this vid before, but its pretty sweet. flash mob shows up for a rec league game, makes it awesome.
Keep Calm and Chive on
Good video. Made me feel better.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
only uppity hipsters flash mob
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
haha you missed what i was getting at.
i’ll give you a clue, the map to enlightenment is somewhere in this thread. ;)
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 3, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I've got a great idea...
you might have noticed there is way too much negativity, bad vibes, in the atmosphere today.
How about we all form a circle, holding hands is optional, and say at least one positive thing you observed in the game last night. if we look hard enough, I’m sure we can start feeling better about ourselves.
Who wants to get us started?
Seabs' hair looked nice during the intermission interview
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 3, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Barker's stumbling bumbling fall
was hilarious
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
i thought i heard
a looney toon sound effect when he did that. replayed it ten times after i saw it.
oh, you can do better than that. How about...
despite the lumberjacks chanting for ten, (when they only had eight- do they count by two’s in Edmonton?), Ray managed to slam the door.
In your face.
I loved Panda's 1 on 4 game of 'It's My Fucking Puck' on the pk
Not sure it was the best move in terms pk strategy, but it was damn entertaining
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 3, 2012 12:16 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
then turned the puck over which gave the Oil
possession in our zone which lead to a scoring chance I believe
At the beginning of Hossa’s play: “Hahaha, god I love Hossa, fuck off 4 oilers”
At the end “HOSSA JUST DUMP THE PUCK ALREADY… SHIT”
at least it didn’t lead to a goal
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by TazerNation19 on Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
on a serious note
I am really happy Sharp’s injury doesn’t seem to be affecting his shot at all.
Let's Go Hawks!
Yes, yes...
keep thinking happy thoughts! I’m about to start flying. (either that or the meds are kicking in)
Seriously though – loved that one timer.
We have the best damn sweaters in the NHL
I hate to hear these words, "We hope you enjoyed the broadcast in spite of the outcome." I would rather enjoy the outcome inspite of the broadcast.
by I Love Hawkey on Feb 3, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
There were so many things wrong with last night
From a coaching standpoint that aren’t even addressed.
The PP, go back to what it was before Sharpie came back from injury. It was doing somewhat well at the time, so I don’t understand why you just take that and blow it up.
Morrison shouldn’t be getting PP time.
Scott shouldn’t be getting PK time, even in a blowout. Take that opportunity to work on your special teams.
Don’t know why Fro sat in place of Bicks or why anyone in the history of hockey ever sat for John Scott. If you can’t trust your guys to get the minutes they should be, don’t play them. It’s that simple. I don’t care what the excuse is, but playing 3 games in 4 nights and not icing a full team is just stupid.
Still waiting for Crawford to get back to his crease. Let Emery start.
Kaner needs to start scoring. I know I’ve said it before, but it’s getting ridiculous now. The kid has 2 goals in his last 19 games and that simply isn’t going to cut it, not for a 6.3 million dollar player. I mean, Sharpie comes back from missing 8 games due to a fractured wrist and outplays a healthy Kane.
Agree with some of this
but I thought Kane had a good game last night. The Hawks scored 4 goals last night, that should be enough to win any other night. Kane’s goal drought is the least of my concerns, is what I’m saying.
by Katherine215 on Feb 3, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't he have a nice assist last night?
As long as he continues his playmaking, I’m happy. We have more than enough weapons that can fill Kane’s goal scoring drought.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 3, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Kane hada solid game...
Sharpie doesn’t score his first unless Kaner makes a great defensive paly and then threads the needle. Kane also set Stals up with a beautiful flip pass that Dubnyk saved,
IMO
Kane had an amazing game.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 3, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
on our PP...
didn’t it appear at times one of our players would skate towards another player. we seemed to be bunched up at times.
That drop pass that Keith loves is begginning to give me gray hairs.
The one zone entry that really bothered me last night was
when that Maginot Line of 4 skaters tried gaining entry at the same time. What the fuck was that?
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 3, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well, not the only one
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 3, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Wow...
you lost me at “one of the best in the west”. Simply delusional…
Was the Stanley Cup actually a dream? It already seems like a lifetime ago.
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