Dear Coach Q
Usually my thing, but we'll keep it in the family. My brother, the Ombudsman took the responsibility this time. Cry nepotism all you want, you'll be right. -Sam
Hi Q,
Ombudsman here. I know you’re used to getting letters from the slimmer, angrier, balder Fels. But we thought we’d mix it up. Try something new. I think you’ll appreciate it. After all, I’ve seen some of your line combinations lately… Anyway, this is just you and I here. So I’m gonna say some shit and just get out of your way. Maybe you’re swinging into town for the weekend. Maybe you’re going to Santa Anita. I, for one, would not blame you if you did. I’d stay away from Chicago. People are losing their shit and they’re no fun to be around. Spend a day at the track, take in the Super Bowl, and then get back to work. Sounds like a plan.
Now I don’t have to tell you where your team is at this point of the season. It’s clear you understand the rigors of a season, what teams go through, that it’s how you respond to slumps like these more than figuring out why you’re in a slump, etc. etc. Your calm demeanor is only going to help turn this around.
However, the next chess move is yours. It’s time for the coach, who was hired because of his EXPERIENCE, to be a coach. When we hit the playoffs in April (And we will hit the playoffs in April, nobody is that stupid. Well, actually 80% of the people on Twitter are that stupid, but I doubt that you tweet. ) We need to look back and say, "When Q did X back in February, that’s when this Hawk train got on a roll." So let’s figure out what X is shall we? (I know. When you were in high school studying algebra, you always said to yourself "When the hell am I going to use this shit?" and 40 years later you find yourself solving the Value of X….Dem math teachers huh?)
Psst. I’m writing this next part in Italics because it gives off the impression that I’m whispering. If you’re reading this out loud please lower your voice. Anyway, I don’t think your GM has done you any favors. This team is pretty unbalanced and for all the words the GM threw out- Grit, Sandpaper, Depth, Jam- you know? Words made up to describe people with no talent; the boys aren’t very gritty, Sandpapery, deep or Jammy. You know this. I know this. I also don’t think he’s going to help you going forward. Yes it’s trading season, but Stan is being asked to pull off a trade that he’s never ever made before. And you know in horse racing, you never bet on a horse to do something he’s never done. So let’s just move forward with the idea that whoever is coming via trade is just going to be a different color of something that is already on the roster. Do you think Hall Gill is anything other than Sean O’Donnell? Didn’t think so….
So, back in the day, when the Hawks were going great gangbusters, the first thing anyone noticed or commented on was how good the 3rd line is. Bickell, Bolland and Fro (Oh My!) were hard on the puck, aggressive forecheck, and just a nuisance. I think you need to re-unite them. And whatever tact you feel is necessary- warning them with the threat of a trade (even towards Bolland), praising them, calling them out in public (We’ll touch on this later.) – they need to get back to that level of play. I have much more confidence in that line regaining glory than I do of Mr. Bowman acquiring two road-grating wingers to replace them.
I also think you need to pull Kane and Sharp aside and say "Hey, if we have any shot of anything here, one of you needs to play second line center. And you need to commit to it." First one that says yes gets Hart Trophy candidate Marian Hossa as their right wing. I say Sharp. But you know success in this league is built on center depth. And the most talented 2nd center behind Toews is 10 or 88.
2 scoring lines, a checking line that actually checks and a 4th line of Morrison-Mayers and Shaw, who's still impressive, that actually can provide what a 4th line is supposed to provide- experience, hitting, and two players who we think can win some draws.
And now the real move. You have a bunch of horn playing seals that are covering the beat for the local papers and sub-par cable station in town. They must be a dream for hiding injuries, keeping what’s behind closed doors behind closed doors, and overall controlling the message. However, they provide an opportunity. They will simply type whatever you write and not question it. So put the onus on somebody else. I’m not talking about C.Y.A. I mean set the damn rules. This team is a recess that badly needs a teacher to blow the whistle. So blow it.
" We played our best hockey when Bolland’s line was playing the best hockey. We need that from them now."
" I believe Kane is going to erupt. Just watch."
"We brought in veterans for moments like these…"
You can use the media as stick or carrot. It’s a coaching device that’s just as effective as a bag skate, a line change, or a trip to the press box.
It’s a 30 game sprint, and if I can use one last horse racing term, it’s time to go to the whip.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend. (Oh, and I’m writing another lampoon rap song featuring you and Stan…. fair warning.
Let’s go Hawks,
The Ombudsman.
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Wow.
Just good all the way around on this one. (And why didn’t y’all take those press passes when you had the chance?) I’d really love it if Q actually answered one of these.
Great work, other Fels.
Do you ever have dejavu?
Didn't you just ask me that?
Love this idea. Use the media Q!
I don’t think it’s an coincedence that Ryan Kesler (on that team that will go unnamed) suddenly started a point streak and generally played better all around about the time coach Q said ‘He needs to use his wingers more’ in a press conference.
Kesler had been given time. He was back from an injury in the off-season, everybody was willing to give him some time to perform better. But it didn’t happen. Up to a couple of weeks ago, the 2nd line on that team wasn’t really a threat, and when it was, it usually wasn’t because of anything Kesler was doing.
Hockey players are simple. They are governed by ego, and ego can be manipulated with two simple actions: stroking, and hurting. If stroking isn’t working to get some of the under-confident, under-performing players on this team (lets call them ’anybody not named Toews, Hossa or Seabrook), then start hurting their egos a little. Nothing too harsh to start with, a good back-handed compliment or out-right questioning of resolve with the mics in your face would be a good start.
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Er, Coach AV said that about Kesler
Not coach Q.
Although if coach Q wants to attack Kesler’s play, I’d be cool with that too, just for the entertainment value.
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"Boy I wish Kane would somehow make those fuckers bury the chances he makes"
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by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 5, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
Do they award a trophy at the end of the year
For ‘Most chances flubbed’ or ‘Most chances that almost went in, maybe’?
No?
That said, I didn’t mention Kane once in my post, even though his defensive responsibility is festering dogshit.
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i have to do it.
calling his defensive abilities dogshit after one of his best all around games of the year is just bad timing.
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I'm speaking in general.
I think we all know that the last game is merely symptomatic of a problem this team has had all season, even when they were winning more than losing.
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C’mon, cliff, you honestly telling me that you believe there are more than two ways “manipulate” a hockey player? You clearly don’t know the sport as well as you lead on.
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By all means
Present some alternate ideas that have not already been tried and failed miserably.
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you don't think this could backfire?
also, these are professional athletes, if they need their coach to provide negative and postive reinforcement to do their job then there is an even bigger issue.
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Sorry to shatter your worldview.
But when you’re getting guaranteed money to go out and play a game night in night out… and ALOT of money at that… I imagine it’s VERY easy to phone in a game.
Most people work hard because they know that they’ll get fired if they don’t.
Kane knows he won’t even get benched.
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Q has benched him before and dropped him down in the lines - what possible reason would Kane have to think it wouldn't happen again?
I don’t even know what worldview you think you’re shattering. I think its highly unlikely for a player, even whether its Hossa or Toews (as we’ve seen past games) to give 100% all 82 games + the post season. BUT I think a Coach calling them out in the media can backfire on them and their relationship with the player. And I still think that if a player needs a coach to do their job, whether its through rewards or threats, then there is an issue.
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The view that millionaire sports stars are more likely to do their jobs without added motivation.
It’s pretty easy to put out 100% when you’re winning and dominating.
It’s when you start losing and getting plastered that the great players show their internal fortitude (Toews), while the others just sort of go through the motions with a ‘whatever, I’m getting paid, who cares’ mentality.
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There's no correlation between the amount somebody is paid and the effort they put into their jobs.
If anything, the notion of guaranteed, high salaries has proven across multiple industries to decrease effort and dedication.
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Heh
You just basically say whatever the little voices tell you might sound “serious” don’t you? It does make for some funny shit in a stream-of-consciousness sort of way, like eavesdropping at the losers table in a high school cafeteria.
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 5, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
You seem to be obsessed with elementary school and high school.
Little creepy.
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You're being an ass.
Surprise!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
If anything, the notion of guaranteed, high salaries has PROVEN across multiple industries to decrease effort and dedication.
Then prove it. Back up you incessant quibbling for once.
These guys don’t have to face their fans or accounts in the locker room everyday – they have to face their teammates. These guys have been playing a TEAM sport all their lives. When 99% of these guys hit the ice, paycheck doesn’t matter. Not in hockey. When they hit the ice, they’re in it together. It’s all they know. They’ve been playing for team since they first put on skates.
Yes, there are exceptions, but if think it’s any of the Hawks core members, in my opinion you’re waaaay off base.
It may sound naive to you because you’re so worldly and all-knowing about what makes professional athletes tick, but let me ask you this: Do you think Toews and Kane bitch at each other on the ice because one’s investment portfolio is outperforming the other’s?
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
When 99% of these guys hit the ice, paycheck doesn’t matter. Not in hockey.
Unfortunately, this is far from the truth in today’s game. Everyone is looking at their paycheques and what they can do to make it better. We’ve seen players go from obscurity to the limelight within their contract season. Coincidence?
Football may claim this, but not hockey bro. Not at all. Not anymore.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
indeed but many of those players continue playing in the 'limeligh'
after they get the contract, others do not and thats what serves your point
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 5, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Coincidence, nope? But neither is it reality.
Unfortunately actual statistics don’t agree with you.
When PlayerX has a good season in a contract year, everyone points it out, but ignores the overwhelming majority of players whose production has remained consistent or actually declined.
Same thing when PlayerY has a down year after signing a big contract, everyone including the media needs to point it out. And they only point it out because 1) they’re frustrated fans (trade Kane!), and 2) it’s an anomaly, not the norm.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
yes this.
i’ve always imagined hockey as more of a “we” sport then a “me” sport, if that makes sense. When you fuck up or underperform on ice, its your teammates you have to deal with and answer to on a daily basis, not the media and the fans. And that is precisely why the “they don’t give a shit” meme bugs me so much – would these guys play injured, scream at each other, and get visibly frustrated/angry/etc…if they just didn’t care?
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by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying they don't need to be motivated - I'm disagreeing with your method of movitvation
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you do not call out a player in the media - ever
or else you won’t last long in any league. The best coaches in every sport speak to their players behind closed doors, they don’t tongue lash them in front of the public eye.
Babcock says Datsyuk and Z need to play better after a 5 game slide.
They start playing better.
AV says Kesler needs to start using his wingers more (a comment Kesler openly criticized his coach right back for), Kesler starts playing better and goes on a point streak.
You’re right. It never works. Ever. Not at all.
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I prefer the "Kidnap Family Members for Ransom" method.
But hey, that’s just me.
by transienthawk on Feb 5, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
With respect, I must question the morality of this approach
But it’s pretty much proven to work
More better Blackhawks, please.
Morality is merely a social construct.
I like to live on the fringe.
/sarcasm before people hate me even more.
by transienthawk on Feb 5, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Or just anonymous notes … One family member’s finger will be removed tonight for every undeflected goal you let in.
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but don't forget to add a smiley face at the end
/passive aggressive’d
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Well, from all accounts hockey players are human beings. As such, it’s my (admittedly) layman’s opinion that they’re all, to varying degrees, going to react differently, for worse and for bettter, to all kinds of external and internal motivation—and to varying frequencies and intensities of it, both publicly or privately—ranging from outright public slagging to private hand-holding. A couple would probably react Kesler-like to getting called out. Vigneault—I hate to compliment him—obviously saw something lacking in Kesler’s game that need public mention.
I’m not an experienced motivator of people who earn millions of dollars to play a sport, so I don’t really feel like I could present ideas. They are human, though, and not all of them are governed exclusively according to their ego. And even if they were, there are tons of ways to attend to that ego depending on its size and nature.
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by ChicoMaki on Feb 5, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough.
At this point, I’m at the ‘try anything’ phase.
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Look at us, mh, agreeing on things. We’re not far off in our assessments—I don’t see how anyone could be considering how many goals this team lets in.
But to use the tired cliche, it’s a marathon, not a sprint, and it’s pretty seldom that a team’s performance in January tells you what’s going to happen in April.
I’m with CNS (minus the Huet) … even a couple of small changes could turn this team around, creating a blacne between lines that isn’t there just now. If each line and each d pairing shores itself up, the goalies will probably follow.
Gimme a couple of veterans who have above-average hockey sense, a hard-nosed PK-ing defenseman and a winger who hasn’t slowed a ton in footspeed, and I think this team will recuperate by the playoffs. What happens there, who knows, but imo they’ll have as good a chance to get to the WCF as anyone else.
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Fair enough.
I just don’t think this team is a few tweaks away from success.
Everything is a little bit off, but all of the little problems add up. To me, they’re indicative of a LARGE, SYSTEMIC problem on the team, and I think adding players into that problem will only create new ones.
Fix the system, get the players on the right page, then worry about complimenting what we have. If our core isn’t playing well (particularly defensively), no amount of additions save the ghost of Patrick Roy circa 1996 is going to help this team.
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This team is just
in a slump. When you have Patrick Kane Sharp Tazer, Hossa, Bolland, Keith, Seabrook Leddy and Hjammer and coach Q behind the bench, then you are stanley cup favorites imo.
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They certainly should be.
But I’d be hard-pressed to find somebody that believes they are anymore.
Not when all the other cup contenders are improving their play as the weeks go by, while the Hawks spiral more and more out of control.
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They have made a lot of roster moves..
They had Shaw and Hayes on the team for a little bit with Sharp and Toews beat up. Now Hayes is gone and we traded for Morrison. Toews is back and so is Sharp plus we had the all-star break so we’re still knocking off the rust. I bet Q has them working hard and they will beat Colorado on Tues.
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to play devil’s advocate … in the days of league parity, if any team’s core isn’t playing well then they’re sunk.
One thing I’ve noticed here and there is that Q—forever—preaches taking care of your own end first, that this leads to offensive chances. That’s obvious, but the few comments from players lately when things have gone wrong … they’re usually talking about how they failed in that respect, how they’ve gone out and tried to score goals rather than keeping things tight. They’ve been impatient. And impatience leads to poor positioning and an inability for some players to be able to rely on others, where they’ll be and what they’ll do. A whole season takes care of these kinds of things for teams that are not in the top 3 or 4 teams in the league. We’re a team that needs the regular season. Boston, Rangers, Vancouver, Detroit … they’re looking like they don’t, but we do. Well and good.
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Oh, and I forgot another example.
The Rangers didn’t really start taking off and hitting the point stratosphere until immediately after Joe Thornton called them soft.
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if you think the Rangers give a shit about what Joe Thornton says then I don't even know what to say.
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"Hey Toews, Kesler called you a mediocre poopy-head"
“OH GODDAMN IT, I’M GOING TO SCORE 2398475 GOALS NOW.”
by transienthawk on Feb 5, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
haha, seriously
I mean does anyone think that these players are missing the net on purpose, that all it takes is someone to publicly call them out and they’ll somehow be able to bury these shots from now on? If they were able to pot that goal, they would have done it already.
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You forget, though
If they played hard every night, they’d be undefeated….well, maybe an occasional OTL to Detroit or VAN or Sha-arks, but otherwise undefeated.
More better Blackhawks, please.
If you think that the talent on this team...
…would lose to the likes of Edmonton, or the Flames, if they were playing a good defensive system and actually showing up for a full 60 minutes, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Championship teams put everything on the ice, every game, even against far weaker teams, because they know that they can do that against equal or better teams and still come out behind.
But please, do argue that it’s totally acceptable for a team with Chicago’s talent to lose badly, and frequently, to non-playoff teams. I need the entertainment while I wait for my buddies to show up for the Super Bowl.
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Explain Boston losing to Carolina
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
Did you watch the games?
Boston barely showed up to any of them.
Besides, the goal differential in their FOUR games is close to or lower to the goal differential in TWO of the Hawks/Edmonton games.
Let’s not confuse simple losses with obliteration.
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"Championship teams put everything on the ice, every game, even against far weaker teams, etc"
Boston losing to Carolina 4-0 would not support that statement in any way shape or form.
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
For the benefit of everybody in this thread.
Could you please post the records of the Hawks and The Bruins this year, and their current positions in the standings?
Because if you honestly think the records of these two teams against weaker competition is even close to the same, you are delusional.
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You have made a statement that is not correct
You want to disprove what I’m saying and support your own statement, go right ahead. I don’t care who you are, you aren’t going to put everything on the ice for all 82 games. This is what your post above suggests and it’s simply not true.
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
You made a sarcastic comment suggesting that I would only be happy if the Hawks won every game, save a few to better teams.
And while that certainly WOULD make me happy, it’s not what I expect.
I expect the Hawks to put high-caliber efforts on the ice every night, and take the two points on the table every time they match up against a clearly inferior opponent.
That way, when they DO put 100% of their effort in and still come away with a loss thanks to a bad bounce, or a bad penalty, or whatever else, they have a buffer.
This is the difference between a team in 1st, and a team in 6th.
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I expect every SCH comment to be more logical than the gossip during a 5th-grade recess
Guess we’ll each have to learn to live with disappointment.
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 5, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, like the disappoint felt by every woman that's seen you naked.
Personal attacks are fun, yes?
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Then I misinterpreted, and I apologize.
When every post you make is attacked, it tends to make one a little defensive. I’ll work on that.
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I don't know what you're apologizing for
And if you’re in the camp that yells “not enough effort” every time the Hawks are not winning, you probably didn’t misinterpret the comment.
More better Blackhawks, please.
Not every time they're not winning.
Just when they’re clearly not playing up to their talent.
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I criticize a lack of effort when a lack of effort is there.
Otherwise, I curse the gods for bad luck, stupid players for stupid penalties, or whatever else contributed to the loss.
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Ah, you're right.
Clearly what we need to fix this team full of malfunctioning parts is one new piece that will totally sort everything out.
Then all the players will start hitting their shots, make tape-to-tape passes, and stop coughing up the puck.
You’re a genius! MORE TRADES!
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I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about here.
How does you’re comment have any bearing on ANYTHING I’ve said here. But continue being a jerk, I see it works for you.
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There are two options:
Either the talent we have on the team is high-end, and it’s a matter of motivating them to play to their potential.
Of the players on this team CANNOT play to their potential, because there is a missing piece of such huge, amazing important, that the domino effect is out of control.
I find the second explanation laughable, and would like to see management and coaching attempt either of their job descriptions.
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I on't think one piece will suddenly make us a winning team but it can add cohesiveness that will help
i don’t even know that its motivation, its just commitment to the system regarding defense.
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Can you describe the Blackhawks defensive system?
Cause I haven’t seen anything resembling a system guiding the play of the Hawks in their own end.
They basically just run around like a bad AHL team.
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How you're being a sarcastic ass to me when you're answer is to call them out in the media is beyond me.
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He's from Vancouver
Calling out people in the media is the solution to EVERYTHING.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well, most of the hockey analysts that are ACTUAL HOCKEY PLAYERS disagree with you.
And sometimes it’s not necessarily a conscious decision. Sometimes you can be affected by something on a subconscious, emotional level.
Let me know if the words I’m using are too big for you.
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You realize Thornton said this after the Rangers had BEAT HIS TEAM, right?
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Yes.
His comments were basically ‘we should have beat that team, they’re one of the softest we’ve played’.
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Sure.
But alot of things can be said after a game that doesn’t rile up a team. Calling hockey players – a breed of athlete that takes particular pride in being tough – soft stings more than other attacks.
So sayeth the guys on the roundtable with actual Stanley Cup rings, anyway. I’ll take Denis Potvin’s word for it.
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And again I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about the situation you laid out
Do I think a player like Kane probably takes the negative things people say about him and roll with it? I do actually, I think the underdog mentality really works for him, and the more someone says he can’t do something, the more he wants to prove them wrong. Do I think the Rangers – and I mean anyone on the Rangers – gave a shit about Thornton calling them soft after they had beat his team? Hell no.
And seriously, stop being a condescending prick and engage in some actual dialogue. If that’s beyond you then let me know and I’ll stop trying to have an actual conversation.
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So was I.
Every major hockey roundtable composed of actual, former hockey players, coaches, GMs, (TSN, Sportsnet, etc) all said the same thing – these comments are going to light a fire under the Rangers.
Lucky guess? Maybe.
Or maybe hockey players just know other hockey players better than fans do.
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And for the record
You played the ‘sarcastic douchebag’ card before I ever played the ‘condescending prick’ card.
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you could argue they startd kicking off when the hbo cameras arrived to.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 5, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
No, they were rolling well before that.
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cameras arrived in late october, i was outside of madison square garden and saw the trucks.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 5, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
ok, then it's definitely a possibility.
Let’s get some HBO cameras at the Madhouse.
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are you fucking kidding me?
JumBlow Joe says something and that is the primary reason why they’re suddenly playing better. Good god man, you’re positively loopy.
Not necessarily the cause, just the spark they needed to take their play to the next level.
If you want to believe it was a magical coincedence, fine. You do that.
Like I said before, I’ll go with what 4-time Stanley Cup winner Denis Potvin says over people like you. :)
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yeah well
Toe Blake thinks that noted red-asses Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik could give a shit about being called soft, so there.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 6, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Good article, however ...
you’re trying to talk reason with a man who puts John Scott in the lineup to get in his 3 minutes of ice time. I sometimes think Coach Q got kicked in the head by a mule this summer.
Then I really would like it if someone asked him a follow about question.
Because that answer isn’t really answer. When John Scott plays, he essentially plays 5 defensemen. If he likes the simple game so much, why doesn’t he get more ice time? It makes no sense at all. Especially on the road.
The only thing I can come up with, is that Q is basically telling Stan to fuck off.
Not saying I watch every press conference
But I have seen some reporters (off camera but by voice I recall Tracey M and Sassone) ask follow-ups and direct questions about Scott and Q generally gives very general, indirect answers….for instance I’ve heard him asked about the extra minutes other D-men assume when Scott plays and he’ll generalize about the number of minutes they want to keep Seabs and Keith at or under and blah blah blah generality generality and then some other reporter asks something else and the subject loses momentum…..Our local beats certainly lack persistence, couple that with the ’Stache’s intimidating glare and they pretty much roll over.
More better Blackhawks, please.
The obvious follow-up there is to ask just exactly what he means by “simple”, and why a coach in a professional sports league would employ a bear of simple brain.
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even more confuzzling to me is
Lepisto is supposedly the second coming of Satan if he puts him out there, but that stumbling bumbling clusterfuck that Scott is composed of is A – OK with him, or at least for a few minutes. I find it hard to believe that anything Lepisto can offer is someone a smidgen of a shade worse than Scott, and in fact must be at least a little bit better. At this point, why not take a flyer on Lepisto and/or someone else that can spell the other D – men a few more minutes of ice time?
Lepistopheles?
“Why this is hell, nor am I out of it”
But I agree with you.
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
Worried.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
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I admit, I've been getting up and down off this ledge all day.
The bodies are really piling up down there. It won’t be long until I can step off.
that's too bad =(
there are very few things that could make me give up on this team and season and none of it has happened, or likely will. i can’t even see the ledge from where i’m standing. But that doesn’t mean i don’t see the problems we have, just means i think we can and will fix them
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by justforkicks on Feb 4, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets hope so.
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there are very few things that could make me give up on this team and season and none of it has happened, or likely will. i can’t even see the ledge from where i’m standing. But that doesn’t mean i don’t see the problems we have, just means i think we can and will fix them
this exactly.
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by allyouyounghockeyplayersoutthere on Feb 5, 2012 1:37 AM CST up reply actions
What do we mean anyway when we say give up on the team?
Say the season is fucked? I don’t see writing off the whole team for any reason ever. We have the core for years.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 5, 2012 3:02 AM CST up reply actions
essentially for me it is the
“this team sucks, they’ll never win anything, the season is over” etc…plus the overdramatic bullshit that is said about the players, that often isn’t even true, about how they suck and should be traded and do everything wrong, no matter what they are doing right.
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by justforkicks on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
Can I just come out and say I agree with your posts just about 100% of the time. I’ll save some time.
by LavalPhantom on Feb 5, 2012 10:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's a fleccin'
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by mightymike D on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Don't worry
It’s like the Foxcon factory in China. When people start jumping just build a net.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
We lost 7.5 million of value when we traded Campbell ...
… And acquired or kept more than 7.5 million of malfunctioning spare parts. Someone should ask Bowman to comment on that.
by maxachium27 on Feb 4, 2012 7:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Would you rather have Campbell
and be cap strung for the remainder of the “core” player contracts or lose him and have a chance to add pieces to the depth puzzle in those years and possibly make a cup run?
I like and miss Soupy but if this team has any chance at grasping the cup again his contract had to go.
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by YouFeelShame II on Feb 4, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
This
you can’t compare the trade and what we aquired in return for just this season. Soups was gone because of the onerous demands his contract made on the cap in the future – and we won’t know what the verdict will be on that until a few years down the road. So far, you can’t argue with the logic behind that decision.
the only downside from that trade
was getting back a big contract on a guy that couldn’t even stick in the NHL. That part of the deal hurt. Having said that, it was the right move to make and I’m a big Soupy fan.
My argument is what we got in return for Soupy . . .
Which is next to nothing. The consensus among fans was that his $7.5 million should be split between a good power forward or center and a tough defenseman. We got neither. We got Steve Montador (who is kind of a low rent Soupy) and a bunch of spare parts.
O.K. all this phyc coach stuff got me thinking.
This has to be it. Q knows Lepisto is the piece that puts the Hawks over the top. In his knowing more than the rest of us thing, he also knows that putting him in too early the Hawks would play great but peak too early(Green Bay), so he’s been sandbagging Sammy, not playing him while putting Scott in to purposely keep the Hawks from getting too full of their selves. He knows the Hawks overconfidence is their own downfall.So he’s going to let them get beat down on this trip so all their pride is gone, then get the old band back together with the lines. With the better D pairs Crawford starts playing with confidence. With a good Crow and all the lines right and the D pairings working, they roar into the playoffs at their peak and Q is the crazy genius revealed.
OT
but today my dad and I were talking about if the NHL decides to expand/ or move a franchise ie Phoenix, to a diffrent city we both agreed that Wisconsin would be a good place for a hockey team. Do you guys think that would be a good place for a team?
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Yeah I was mostly thinking Milwaukee.
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Wisconsin
has the Badgers, I’m not sure there is room for an NHL team.
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by YouFeelShame II on Feb 4, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Sure there is
They have the Badgers for football, too.
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Exactly
I don’t think the Badgers draw too much hockey attention in Milwaukee anyway. They have the Admirals which have drawn well at times. I think with proper marketing and promotion an NHL team could make it in Milwaukee.
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Where would the Wisconsin team
play at? The Bradley center does that have ice under the basketball court?
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It would probably work
unless the AHL plays on a lager/smaller ice surface which im not aware of.
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That's an idea
I think there is a potential fan base there, though maybe not quite big enough yet, especially coming out of the recession. But I don’t know if I’d want to watch a game on all-blue ice.
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
That would be pretty
cool looking I would watch alot of those games.
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I lived in Boise for a while
and watched the Steelheads win the Kelley Cup to about 4k people if the games were Sun-Fri and 7k if the game was on saturday. That’s pretty much tapping the Idaho market out.
Had season tix actually. Saw a few low-level NHLers: Konopka, Ellis, the bag of dicks from the Blues….
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
I don't think Idaho could sustain a team either.
Boise is the only city large enough, and I’m not sure there’s enough interest there.
Coeur d’Alene could tap into the Spokane market, but CDA itself is too small and too touristy and I don’t know if Spokanistan has interest in anything other than meth.
I was mainly joking about Idaho (although I lived there for 2 years and have nothing but fond memories).
by transienthawk on Feb 5, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
Mormons love hockey
sounds like a perfect fit.
I can't speak for SLC
but Boise does have a Mormon element to its history. Last decade, though, a strong influx of educated high-tech types looking for a balance of good job opportunity and active lifestyle. Part conjecture here, but people I could see having been fans of the Avs, Coytoes or Sha-arks.
Hey! I take penumbrage at that!
Still very Mormon-y in Idaho.
Many High Schools allow Seminary as an elective. The other strong cultural identity is Basque. Guess which one has better food and is more fun to hang around? I was part of the IT influx and I had a hard time getting my fellow geeks to the Steelheads games. Boise State belbow rules the roost by a large margin. Probably more popular among the current IT folks than iced hockey is cricket…
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
no..
but both states have huge Mormon populations.
In any regard, Boise is a small city. Not going to have a pro sports team for a long, long, long time.
not feasible
not a big and/or rabid enough population to make that work, although I’d love to see it happen.
Disagree
Somehow they have a rabid enough population to support the Packers and Brewers…
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similar argument made for Portland
“lookit all the NBA games they play, they should easily carry an NHL and/or NFL franchise.” And the Packers were and always will be the unique small market exception for pro sports.
If the Bucks were any good
they’d be rabid about them too. Sconnies will show up for anything that makes WI look good.
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Of course everyone knows/assumes I agree with this:
Bickell, Bolland and Fro (Oh My!) were hard on the puck, aggressive forecheck, and just a nuisance. I think you need to re-unite them.
hence why I never have to actually state it around here (except for yesterday… and the day before… oops).
But you might want to add Kruger to that combination.
Aside from an acquisition, there’s really nowhere else to turn. Hayes wasn’t good on defense. Shaw is even worse. Brunette wasn’t good either and is out. Can BMo be a winger on that line? I highly doubt it. And he doesn’t look like he could center it either.
So you have Bolland and three wingers to choose from. Get busy living with these guys, or get busy dying.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 4, 2012 8:48 PM CST reply actions
And nice job Adam
Two consecutive days of calm and levelheadedness from the Fels bros? When’s the kettle going to boil?
And Q changed up the defensive pairings for the first time since Jehovah ate halibut. Not a word mentioned about it in the GDTs…
Dammit Scott!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 4, 2012 8:55 PM CST reply actions
Because it was good enough for him.
Shit. Imma bout to get stoned.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
The bottom line is that with the amount
of talent on this team someone needs to figure out how to use it correctly.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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I wouldn't mind Kane or Sharp centering Hossa (I'd prefer Kane dropping down and Sharp moving up so that Toews isn't left in the dust)
But who will be our 6th player in the top 6? Krugs, Morrison, Shaw or someone else?
Sam Ganger
eating up Detroit
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by YouFeelShame II on Feb 4, 2012 10:31 PM CST reply actions
Coach Q is a coward when it comes to answering questions about
anything. As are the media for not calling him out.
"Knowledge is Good."
The "media"
is there to serve the Blackhawks not win a Pulitzer. The Blackhawks give them access to their building, amenities and players/staff. In return they expect softball, status quo, tow the line, homogenized questions to those players/staff. Continued failure of such standards will likely result in your access and job.
When I first started lurking here I believe that was the main reason for those in charge not accepting media credentials.
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by YouFeelShame II on Feb 5, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
But then Sam and McClure call them out for asking those homogenized questions?
Say it ain’t so!
They’re like devious HS seniors tempting a naive freshman to pull the fire alarm. “Go ahead, do it! Do it! It’s cool get to expelled!”
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
part of that is because the local beats are hockey ignoramuses
and it wasn’t always that way, back in the 60/70’s/80’s we had a few beats who actually knew the game. Now they’re mostly stenographers/meatheads.
Absolutely true.
These reporters are so terrified of losing access to the team, they don’t dare to actually follow-up his answers with the obvious counter-points.
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Goaltending
Crow proclaimed in the media he’s been playing “technically sound”.
I have news for you, Corey…you’ve given up quite a few “softies” this season and nothing deflates the team and causes a loss of momentum more than a soft goal, or two, or three. You frequently lose your net, overplay pucks, give up goals from BEHIND the net and are often swimming in the crease. Some of that is not indicitive of a goalie who is playing “technically sound” hockey. Too often this season you’ve failed to come up with the “big save” as well. Every turnover or mistake by the team seems to end up in your net. You are the last line of denfense. Good goaltenders often come up with the “big save” to bail out mistakes. I think a lot of your problem this season is mental. It’s apparent in your posture, your body language and your reaction after giving up goals. Breaking sticks and pleading to the refs after goals does not inspire confidence.
There are 29 games remaining in the regular season and despite the recent five game skid, we’re still ahead of 22 other teams in this league. The goal tending we’re getting now is not going to carry us far in the playoffs. Can Ray Emery handle the load the rest of the way? We’re at decision time. Do we give the net to Razerr? Do we give Salak a look? Do we make a play for Nabokov or some other Eastern Conference talent? I think Corey is having the sophomore slump many feared. Better luck next season, Crow.
by NumbersGuy on Feb 5, 2012 12:28 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
I couldn't have said it better
There’s a reason why everybody seems to play better in front of Emery and it’s because they’re not skating on eggshells believing any mistake they make is going to wind up in the net.
I wouldn’t mind at all seeing us trade for a guy like Nabakov but I don’t see it happening-it would seem like too much of a panic move (and would underline the fact that Bowman screwed up big time when he signed rawford to a three year contract based on extremely small smaple size).
At this point I think all we can do is hope that Emery puts together a modest hot streak that carries over into post.
Anyone looking at this objectively, If the hawks
Go into the playoffs with Emery and Crawford as the goalies, they have no chance at bringing home the prize. All this crap about how crawford played last year, don’t give up on him, etc. is denial. There is a famous saying that you are only as good as your last game….and crawford has shown us an entire season of crap and hasn’t shown form anywhere near last year even once this year. Maybe he will turn it around in a year or two but he sure as hell is incapable of handling playoff pressure at this time. Hell, he can’t even handle the pressure of of a one or two goal game in mid January.
Re: Crow
Don’t see “pressure” as the issue at all.
Mentally, Crow seems pretty steady/solid/even-keel.
He’s still got a handful of chances to find his game.
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by mightymike D on Feb 5, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
I agree he’s playing poorly in the main—any person watching the games has to agree to that. I also agree that it doesn’t exactly have me bursting with confidence, this goaltending tandem we have. That said, it is who we got, because any goalies worth trading for aren’t going to be traded because they’re in the thick of it or too integral to their team’s rebuild. I don’t bring up Huet because for me that’s a non-starter (although I’m not angered by the argument). In this light there are two conclusions to be reached:
1. Blather on and on about their shortcomings and treat the stretch of 30 games ahead of us as impossible.
2. Realize that there are strong hockey minds behind this team—far, far smarter than anyone here on this blog—who are factoring in things that none of us on this blog, not one, can know … and realize also that strange things can happen in the playoffs if a team is trending upward when they get there. So you hope for that: that a very good team who is playing poorly will find their game. If they do, they’ll give it a run.
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by ChicoMaki on Feb 5, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I have not seen anything from Stan Bowman to suggest he is a keen hockey mind.
If anything, he moved up the ranks faster than most thanks to Nepotism and seems completely out of his league.
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He’s made a couple of great trades, a couple while other GMs knew we were under the gun. And he’s managed the cap extremely well given the circumstances he inherited.
I’ve not seen anything to suggest he isn’t. He got where he was quickly, no doubt, and in large part because of his name, I’m sure, but I think he’s done well in his short tenure.
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I just think he makes a lot of stupid decisions.
We are paying John Scott. Actual money.
We are paying Bickell. Again, actual money.
He thinks Leddy is a legit 2nd line defensemen at this stage of his career. He’s not. Yet.
He rushed to sign Hammer to 3 mill at the first sniff of interest from San Jose… which then allowed them to pluck the player they WANTED, Niemi.
We traded Campbell, now Florida’s best defensemen, to the Panthers, basically for nothing. The Canucks traded them two aging players with one healthy knee between them, and received a legit top-6 winger.
And this off-season, his obsession with grit, jam, and whatever other euphemisms you want to use for ‘bad players that eat up time to rest your better players’ made our defense older and slower, but not much better. Montador could be a solid 3rd line guy, as he has been for awhile now, if not saddled with Scott beside him.
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No question Scott is a head-scratcher.
I think Bickell is a good signing. Players with league minimum contracts aren’t going to contribute 15 goals.
I think Leddy is being forced into that role given Montador’s performance, and I think Bowman would like to trade to relieve him.
I think the player San Jose wanted was Hjammer. We were in all kinds of cap hell and losing a shit ton of players, and losing another wouldn’t have been good. you also can’t send the message that you’re vulnerable to offer sheets.
We got shit for Campbell because his contract was “untradeable”; the fact that we got rid of it at all was a miracle. i don’t think we can evaluate that one entirely until we factor in Sharp’s extension and any trade made before the deadline and/or any UFA signing in July.
the signings this off-season didn’t pan out as well as imagined, but give him credit, most were one-year signings for that reason.
Conversely I’d say the Ladd trade (got the pick we took Clendenning with), teh Buff trade (Kevin Hayes and REnsfeldt were the rewards), the Versteeg trade (Stalberg), the Barker trade, and the Brouwer trade (McNeil) were all evidence of a shrewd hockey mind. Many of those trades HAD to happen, and every GM knew we had to do it; that we got to restock the cupboard is amazing.
mistakes? ya, but nothing to shudder about, nothing irregular or worrisome, not yet.
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by ChicoMaki on Feb 5, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not saying I want the guy's job up for review.
I just don’t think he’s shown anything particularly brilliant.
If Stan traded for Montador expecting a great second-line Dman, then that’s another mistake on his part, because Montador has never been that. He’s been a good, solid, 3rd line guy, especially when paired with somebody that compliments his strengths and covers for his weaknesses.
Getting rid of the Campbell deal was only a miracle if you were indoctrinated with years of ’we’ll never get rid of it’ talk in the Chicago media. Once it became clear that poor teams were going to need big contracts to hit the floor, it was open season. Campbell was hardly eons worse than some of the other bad contracts signed and dumped that off-season.
It was a necessary move long-term, but at this point it’s half a move. Clearing cap space and creating a problem isn’t brilliant. It’s just treading water. Its the GMs that clear cap space and use it with good moves that deserve great acclaim.
My 2 cents.
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It's your ability to completely change direction in mid-argument that continues to impress me
Stan seems
completely out of his leagueto
I’m not saying I want the guy’s job up for review.in the space of two comments. Impressive.
He’s been a good, solid, 3rd line guy, especially when paired with somebody that compliments his strengths and covers for his weaknesses.
Wow, blanket statement anyone? And no, Monty has mostly skated on the top 2 lines for the past 2-3 years.
And to state that Monty could be a good 3rd line guy if he wasn’t saddled with Scott? How about when he skates with OD, Lepisto, Keith, or Leddy? Ya know, the majority of the time.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Ladd was mistake. A very big mistake.
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Ladd or Sharp
You can’t have both cap hits on this team. Pick one. To be honest, I still don’t think they can afford either one, but no way they could afford both.
And just to get the facts correct, the Brouwer trade brought them Danault.
and realize also that strange things can happen in the playoffs if a team is trending upward when they get there. So you hope for that: that a very good team who is playing poorly will find their game. If they do, they’ll give it a run.
Just like the last two Super Bowl Champions in Green Bay and New York Giants.
And let’s not forget the 2010 Flyers that made it to the Final, along with the Oilers and Flames in 2004 and 2006 respectively. It can happen, you just have to believe and it starts within the dressing room.
Every player has a roll. Every player has a purpose. Every player has that something special about them.
If Artem Anisimov can go 18 game without a point and stay on the checking line, why can’t Frolik who may be better defensively than Anisimov. And what wrong with Bolland being the rat? That’s his schtick so let him be that player and take on every team’s top line and allow him to be motivated to do so. Give him that responsibility.
What was so wrong with Kane at centre when paired with Hossa? They had that special chemistry that not too many teams posses. Yet he’s moved back with Toews because Sharp and Toews can’t click? Bullfunky. Time to reunited the two with Sharp back with Toews.
We have the right mix. Stop the blending and the bleeding and start succeeding.
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to wit..
Do we give the net to Razerr? Do we give Salak a look? Do we make a play for Nabokov or some other Eastern Conference talent?
no.no and no.
(starts humming Stealer’s Wheel)
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Bowman not dealing with the goaltending is tantamount to writing off this season. If he does look for a goalie, we’re going to have to find one in the Eastern Conference. Rask or Thomas is a pipe dream. The most obvious goalie who is available and desireable is Nabokov. Isles have three goalies, Nabokov is an UFA after this season, he’s only making 500k, a great fit for the Hawks. I’d guess that Nabokov would waive his no-trade clause to come to Chicago. Plan B, if Salak his healthy, bring him up and give him a try.
Fuck it throw an offer sheet to Schneider
and watch the Nucks scramble to match.
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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I really like Schnieder
but I really don’t like gingers :-)
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
In 3 years, if not sooner,
Schneider will win the Vezina. It would be nice to think he might be on the Hawks at that time, but I doubt they’ll ever be able to afford him.
At first that prediction may sound like an easy call, but there are quite a few great goalies out there today. Many of them are starters already and Cory’s still a backup. One could’ve predicted Toews to win a Selke by now, but he hasn’t. Once Scheider grabs a starting job, I can see him consistently posting .925-.940 Sv%s. IMO he’s THAT good.
And I feel just as awful that VAN won’t be able to keep him.
/wipes tear ass
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
And if there's an amnesty clause on the next CBA?
It’s bye bye Roberto, and hello Ginger.
If the Nucks send Schneider anywhere, it will be in the Eastern Conference
In exchange for some large wingers to play alongside Kesler.
Chicago has NOTHING the Canucks would want.
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And obviously, they're not going to hand him over to a rival.
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What about
Bickell haha.
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There is NOTHING about Vancouver that anyone on the ’Hawks would any part of … other than the weather.
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by hawks61 on Feb 5, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt that
a great hockey player is a great hockey player. And Chicago players, if they really wanted to win a Cup, would accept any player that brought them one step closer to that. Even if it that person came from Van. You’d be an idiot to refuse a player like Edler or Kelser if they were available.
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Yeah that Kelser guy is pretty good.
You can put him on a line with that carello guy and then you would really have something. :)
I hope Cane is on that line as well.
or I learn to look at what I type
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Well Kesler could really score on shitty teams last year like Calgary, Edmonton and Minn
33 of his 41 goals against shitty teams that missed the playoffs…. We could actually use that.
by SludgeFeast on Feb 6, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This part isn't really true
Every turnover or mistake by the team seems to end up in your net.
I think Crow’s been mostly excellent (for the most part) on opponents’ breakaways.
Without the numbers to prove it, I think his problems have been less with not making big saves after turnovers than simply keeping his net (especially during the PK, when opponents can move the puck around more easily) and controlling rebounds. In other words, routine goalie stuff that makes the difference between above and below average.
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by cliffkoroll on Feb 5, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
all options.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
related..
the Swiss NLA regular season finishes on 25th of Feb.. Fribourg are currently second so will likely qualify for the playoffs.. last years final was mid-April
McCormack & Richard Tauber are singing by the bed....
by mightymike D on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
et aussi:
a certain someone is currently second overall in the “Keepertrophy” running with a Sp of 2.19.. behind some guy who’s only played 88 minutes this year
McCormack & Richard Tauber are singing by the bed....
by mightymike D on Feb 5, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
I wave my private parts at you...
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"
by Joe Banks on Feb 5, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So apparently he's as bad at judging his play as he is at actually playing.
Interesting.
Perhaps he had a serious head injury sometime last off-season we don’t know about?
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By the way.
Howard is out for 4-6 weeks, according to NBC Nothing is out of reach.
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 5, 2012 12:46 AM CST reply actions
Not a chance.
If the Wings see the division lead slipping with Howard out, they’ll bring him back. Holland has already said that Howard CAN play with the injury, and get surgery in the summer.
And Howard with a broken finger is still better than 3 of the remaining four goalies in the conference.
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Sorry, 2 of the remaining 4.
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I doubt it.
Why the fuck would they even consider having him not in top form in the playoffs so they can maybe hang on to the seed?
by ForAllYouYoungHockeyMoms on Feb 5, 2012 2:12 AM CST up reply actions
And risk the Presidents' Trophy???
Oops, wrong team.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
They don't care about the presidents trophy.
But they definitely want one of the two spots in the conference, considering how tough the early rounds could be against the teams that fall into the 5 and 6 slots.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
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SBNation will only let me choose one favorite team.
See above.
Go into the playoffs with Emery and Crawford as the goalies, they have no chance at bringing home the prize.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
They will either get Nabokov or pull someone out of their asshole like they always do.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
"There's nothing left to pull out of that asshole" - hockey fans on Detroit since 2003.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Yet another Johnsson disappearance
This is becoming an epidemic.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
It feels too early to conclude that Bowman won't make a serious trade
I mean this line: “Yes it’s trading season, but Stan is being asked to pull off a trade that he’s never ever made before.” Right now is the very first time that Bowman has ever been in a position to try to make the kind of trade that we all agree is now needed. A year ago he was hamstrung by the team’s cap situation and by a lack of tradeable prospect depth. A year before that the team didn’t need to trade for a front-line upgrade. Before that of course he wasn’t the GM.
Now none of those excuses apply of course (partly due to Bowman’s own good work on the cap-room and prospect-depth fronts). The rational thing for management to do in the current situation is clearly to make a significant trade: swap some of the prospects plus spare parts for one meaningful upgrade to the lineup. You only get so many shots at the glory with any given core group; such opportunities are not to be wasted; it’s clear that the current lineup is not a fully-assembled championship-caliber one but equally clear that it could be. So right now is when we find out whether Stan Bowman is a fully-assembled GM.
I’m not promising that the answer turns out to be yes, mind you; just arguing that the question remains unproven at least until this upcoming trade deadline.
Didn't Stan say yesterday that no help is coming.
I think he is way out over his skis. He got a lot of credit for a team he didn’t put together and hasn’t exactly made any genius moves since. Before you all scream at me about the bad position he was put in with the cap, I get it. But you would think he could have done a little better than bringing in Carcillo, lepisto, et al and keeping Scott, and so on. He has about 1/100 of the hockey savy of his old man and shouldn’t be running a team.
Really?
Year 1, no moves needed to be made. Year 2, he cleared cap issues and actually got something in return (Stahls) when he was really bent over a barrel. Year 3, he moved Campbell and admittedly got little in return, but has yet to do much of anything because there is nothing to get done right now. You can’t make trades without people who are ready and willng to make them. Also, I don’t think he’s going to make a trade that puts us back up against the cap.
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
Spot on
all the meatheads screeching about “DO SOMETHING, STAN!” forget that it takes two motivated GM’s in order to make a trade happen in the first place. ie. – if the Carolina GM thinks he can get something insane like two 1st rounders and two top prospects for Ruttu then I’d advise him to start laying off his crack pipe for awhile.
I also believe that some of the recent extensions signed
are a product of the upcoming CBA uncertainty. Beauch? signed with the Ducks for a little less than he’s currently making. Gleason got a raise but Carolina also has 2 other defensemen that are UFA’s at the end of the year. Can’t say for sure but it seems logical that these guys accepted deals thinking they may not get better ones after the new CBA comes out.
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
"Didn't Stan say yesterday that no help is coming." -- incorrect
He said that no goaltending help is coming.
[Bowman doesn’t think a truly top-tier goalie can be acquired without giving up a core player, and he thinks that the Crawford/Emery can be just as solid as any goalie that could be acquired now for less than a core player. I agree with him on the first part, am getting less sure about the second, but reluctantly I can see the logic of deciding to stand pat on it right now: giving up a core player to get an elite goalie would not be a net gain for the team as a whole.]
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 5, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
It is also a cap issue
Hawks are paying for Sharp’s salary next year by having a 2.5M type goalie. You want an elite goalie, you have to pay for it and need to replace Sharp with that 2.5M guy.
And those people who want Campbell back really don’t understand the salary cap.
This team has more than enough talent to go deep into the playoffs.
Adding another piece will have marginal results at best.
What needs improvement is the system, or player buy-in to the system.
We are not dealing with simply a weak second pair that gets exploited, or a second line thrown off by constant juggling. Both of those are issues, but they are surrounded by a top defensive pair that is leaky, and four forward lines that do little to help with their defensive responsibility (save Toews, Hossa, and sometimes Bolland).
Coughing up good prospects for another piece at this point would be a waste, because with a good system for that new player to fit into, he’ll have just as much difficulty as everybody else is having.
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*without
Coughing up good prospects for another piece at this point would be a waste, because WITHOUT a good system for that new player to fit into, he’ll have just as much difficulty as everybody else is having.
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You keep repeating yourself about this magical "system" from fantasyland
What’s the basis of your new system? “Winning?”
DEH HAWKS NEED A WINNING SYSTEM!
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 5, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
I don't even know if I trust Bowman to make a good trade at this point
His most lauded move as GM to date has been getting rid of a contract… and failing to replace the void with serviceable parts.
Is this really a guy that can find the right player at a reasonable price? The man who brought us Scott, Odonnell, and company over the off-season?
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
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SBNation will only let me choose one favorite team.
Stalberg was a pretty good pick-up though, I'll give him that.
Maybe not relative to what we lost for him (Versteeg), but that wasn’t Stan’s fault.
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At this point
turnovers at the blue line are killing us, while stalberg had a really bad one against Vancouver, he really doesnt do that a whole lot. Versteeg did it all the time. i dont miss that.
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to be honest, there wasn't much out there last offseason
and jammer was a great pickup to
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 5, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I still think
his best move was Leddy and the dead one for Barker
Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
by The Cup And Back Again on Feb 5, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Now that's hockey the way it should be played
Clean, hard physical play. Which doesn’t need to cause either injuries nor brainless retaliation.
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 5, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently there were rumblings this morning
Of the hawks Acquiring Brian lee from the Sens, but they also could be completely false as it was said that there was a different brian lee in Hawks training camp a few years back and it is not known if someone was confused by this fact. After doing some digging i found this from a Sens blogger:
http://eyeonthesens.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/senators-player-profile-brian-lee/
After reading some of that im not really impressed if the trade went through. seems as though he is Campoli with better size. meh.
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Campoli
Wasn’t really bad at all, he’s just been tarnished by what his last play on our team was.
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
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yeah i agree
i thought campoli was a decent player, and he played well and fit in. But my point is a campoli type player is not what this team needs.
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From the Twits
Brunette better, Toews sick, McD talking to Q after practice.
by CjSax on Feb 5, 2012 2:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Nothing scares me more
Than the prospect of a McDeal before the deadline
by CjSax on Feb 5, 2012 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What was his last McDeal?
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by IndianHeadCrest on Feb 5, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
For those of us in need of a laugh
From the crazy board
Kane and Crow to the Blues for Elliot and Backrd
by CjSax on Feb 5, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Backes, that is
Hard to type through the tears
by CjSax on Feb 5, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was reading the comments on Jesse Rogers latest article
I don’t know why I put myself through this.
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wtf is this halftime show
least performers could do is actually sing.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 5, 2012 7:03 PM CST reply actions
First clue is who the main performer is
Madonna can’t sing – never could, and never will. She’ll make last year’s suckitude of the Black Eye Peas look good by comparison.
WTF Nicki Minaj and LMFAO Really?
Im too lazy to make a signature
and MIA...strangely.
one of these is not like the other
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 5, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Cee Lo Green spoting
Im too lazy to make a signature
I had no idea who that was.
Thanks. Didn’t know she could get a job after those crazy comments she made last year or the year before.
MIA is great, really doesnt give a fuck
the born free video was pretty wild though.
seeing her in a superbowl performance is a bitt odd though, she seems out of place.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 5, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
she's a fraudulent hack
she’s been preening about how she’s one of the masses and always standing up for the poor folk all the while living the life of Riley and acting like Marie Antoinette. Fuck her and her bullshit proletariat act – and her music sucks donkey shlongs. Hey, let’s screech a few decibels and bank some sheet metal together, and presto!
yeah flipping the audience the bird is sooo classy
oooh, you so edgy, MIA!
I was afraid of that
eh, lost all context there – my bad.
not good on the link thing
If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
by Timothy Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Don't we all
most overated, overplayed songs and group of all time.
Im too lazy to make a signature
Its not even the over played part
Its just their music is garbage in general. Its generic, watered down, and the lyrics are so stupid. A hot, steaming pile of shit.
by BodomSlayer on Feb 5, 2012 7:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And thats putting
that nicely.
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Even as a metal head i still enjoy some pop
Like Lady GaGa and Lily Allen.
by BodomSlayer on Feb 5, 2012 7:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What about Justin Bieber?
Just kidding. ;)
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I just noticed
I passed 1000 comments talking about this wretched band lol
by BodomSlayer on Feb 5, 2012 7:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But LMFAO are terrible...
Had I know that much douche baggery was going to be at the half time show I’d have started calling for the meteor.
by BodomSlayer on Feb 5, 2012 7:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Alec Richards sent to Toledo
Apparently Salak is ready to come back.
by CjSax on Feb 5, 2012 7:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
hey oilers beat the red wings in OT yesterday 5-4
Didn’t see that mentioned anywhere so just saying
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by justforkicks on Feb 5, 2012 7:54 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
and as an aside
Anyone see the rangers – flyers game? Sestito had 25 PIMs and his TOI was less then 4 mins. I think it was 3 or 4 fights then kicked out of the game. Crazy
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by justforkicks on Feb 5, 2012 7:58 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
really? I could swear it was at least 3 and that's why he got booted
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by justforkicks on Feb 5, 2012 8:21 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
i only remember two
and the announcers saying if he got in a 3rd hed be gone
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 5, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
oh wait Simmonds fought Bickel, right?
Dubinsky and Prust fought sestito.
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by justforkicks on Feb 5, 2012 8:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Other teams use top centers to check.
The hawks 2nd scoring line should have an edge against whoever they play so if bolland’s line can do their job then hossa’s line should be able to make the difference in a playoff series, regardless of who is the 3rd player on it (assuming sharp is the second). This is of course totally ignoring our inferior back end and goaltending. Still though I will take the hawks top 9 over pretty much anyone out west.
We will beat Colorado on Tuesday. I guarantee that.
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You're also going to like like they way
you look. I guarantee it.
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those fuckers overcharge
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Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 5, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
IDK
I’ve purchased a few suits from them and didn’t think I was overcharged. Don’t buy your ties or shirts there though. I think that’s where they make their money.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
by Badgerdano on Feb 5, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Buying suits at a warehouse? Sounds like a bad idea to me. (I have no idea what you guys are referring to in men’s warehouse).
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Did it start in Chicago?
I’ve seen one in practically every city I’ve lived in.
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
OK
No idea. Maybe it’s a US thing, just not Canada. We’ve spent way too much time on it though. (mostly my fault.)
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
ugh, we have to play the rangers twice soon
that will be fun
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 5, 2012 10:44 PM CST reply actions
thats why they made vodka
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Feb 5, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
those will def be tough ones. winnable but a vodka night for sure.
i’m bummed i can’t make the first game, but hoping to go to the Devils one.
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by justforkicks on Feb 5, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully, it won’t be a repeat of the 1-for-5 on 5-on-3’s the ’Hawks had in an OT loss in 2009.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
hopefully
the blue-shirts will feel that they’ve sufficiently refuted Thornton’s “soft” comment by then so the Hawks can win a game or two.
by Code Name Duchess on Feb 6, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
you'll need to ask the hockey analysts about that since they can apparently see into the minds of every player
and determine their thought process
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Right On!
Especially the third line and second line center comments. These guys need to play together and get a feel for one another on a consistent line. We need the BEST third line in the league, again. Coach has to do it! I like it. It’s a positive and real message. GO HOCKS!
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