Morning Links - (2/6)
by JuliaM on Feb 6, 2012 9:35 AM CST
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- Corey Crawford doesn't know what's going on with his game. [Tribune]
- Why the five game slump? The little things. [CSN]
- Improving team defense is a priority. [Tribune] [CSN]
- Andrew Brunette should be back soon, and Q's still deciding who's in goal against the Avs. [Tribune] [CSN]
- Ray Emery talks about being a player of color and the only black goalie in an overwhelmingly white league. [CSN]
- Bartl says Stan's not going to target a new goalie, so get over it and focus on defense. [Cheer the Anthem]
- Here's the beginning of a primer for advanced statistics. Help him out if you think he's missed anything. [Arctic Ice Hockey]
- Some players are just consistently above 1000 when it comes to PDO. [Hockey Analysis]
- Seattle's in talks for a new arena. [CBS]
- Operating income is the problem in the NHL. [TCL]
- Linesman helmet cam view of a hockey fight. Awesome. [PD]
- Other sneaky ways teams get unfair home advantage. [Down Goes Brown]
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Seattle could really work out well
the rivalry alone with the Nooks and the other West coast teams could become something special. Less bitching about travel, except from the Nooks.
Hope they build over or near the current arena
It’s in a beautiful part of Seattle.
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
I have a buddy that lives in by Everitt
and whenever I visit he always gets us tickets to the Silvertips. I actually git to see Beach when he played decent hockey.
Memories!
No worries, this was the plan all along!
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One of the people mentioned with regards to Seattle
is Wolves owner Don Levin
the Wolves are a very well run operation
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
It does seem odd that they haven't gotten to Seattle yet (or Portland OR)
Both have had hockey for a long time (Major Junior and/or minor league) – and are northern cities
If we’re in Phoenix and Miami….
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Wow, Bartl's article is so far over in the "I don't even know where to begin" category,
that I don’t know where to begin.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2012 10:11 AM CST reply actions
Which part?
The goalies are fine or that the Hawks need to score more?
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This is a good place to start
If we’re all in agreement this season is considered "Stanley Cup or Bust" for the Blackhawks, then I can forget about discussing anything in between.
It’s Stanley Cup or Bust??? Does anyone actually think that? Like we’re just going to roll right over St Louis, Scum, Vancouver, Nashville, San Jose or (God help us if they make the playoffs) Edmonton with Corey Crawford and Ray Emery? So far this season, I can’t think of either goalie outplaying the goalie at the other end of the ice. They’ve been good enough to win. It’s only going to get harder from here on out.
All of those top teams possess a great goalie. Not just good. Not just OK as long as the team in front of him plays good defense. We’ll be one of the few teams that makes the playoffs with suspect goalies, and in our own division, I’m not sure who I trust less- Steve Mason or Corey Crawford.
Anything can happen but winning the Cup with Ray Emery and (this years version of) Corey Crawford is not very likely.
Yes special teams are bad (especially the PK- where the goalie needs to step up). Yes Hossa isn’t scoring (but he plays great defense). There are a lot of things that need tweaking. The only problem is, all the other teams in the Western Conference who I mentioned, all have needed tweaking from time to time. The difference is: they have a goalie who has had to carry them, when they needed to be carried. We haven’t seen that from our goalies and I don’t know if they’re even capable.
Emery is a capable backup. Crawford is a hot mess. IMO- It’s find a goalie or bust.
by great goalie and Van
you mean Ginger Jesus and not Lu, right? Because I thought it would be a cold day in hell before a Lu compliment would be found on here.
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We all admit he's awesome
in the regular season.
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I'll take playoff performance any day.
And I’m one of those oddballs who’s not anywhere near the ledge. I think people forget there was a time when the only All star on our team was a guy who’d eventually be completely incapable of skating due to the back problems that plagued him.
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Well...
If it makes you feel better, Lu is a great goalie who can stand on his head and steal a game or two. And then the very next game he pisses down his leg inexplicably. I don’t know if he’ll ever win a championship because of that.
I have yet to see Corey Crawford steal a game. At least… this year.
2 out of 1465 comments
is pretty much 0 statistically. :P
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by westy99 on Feb 6, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hoss isn't scoring?
That’s news to me. 20 goals, 53 points in 52 games. Only top 6 guy that isn’t scoring is Kaner.
it was specifically goals in the last 3 games, which is true actually, but not fair to what Hossa does beyond that.
I think Kane has 2 in the last nine, but more assists (11G, 33A, 44Pts, which isn’t ideal but he’s not exactly just sitting there drooling in the corner, and would have more if other players could finish his set ups)
And as noted below, he wasn’t actually serious
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by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
NOTE: Any time I've ever been wrong
I wasn’t being serious either.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I thought I was wrong once
turns out I was mistaken, though
McCormack & Richard Tauber are singing by the bed....
ps. hopefully that doesn't read as a snide comment since that wasn't my intention, was really supposed to be a joke
you can tell because i didn’t end it with a smiley face.
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Passive aggressive!
=)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
if i may suggest a place to begin, how about
If you’re looking for something to complain about in regards to this losing streak, stick to the power play that has gone 1 for 12 during the skid. Or the fact Marian Hossa doesn’t have a point in the last three games.
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by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
lol
after going on a 9 game streak
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 6, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I appreciate everyone's feedback
My point was simply to say that Bowman isn’t going to make a move, and not that the ‘Hawks don’t NEED to make a move. Whether we feel the ‘Hawks need a new goaltender seems irrelevant to what Bowman’s track record is in terms of handling the goatlending situation.
And the Marian Hossa thing was a joke. It was meant to show that it’s more feasible to complain about Hossa not scoring than it is to lobby for a trade that won’t happen.
Truthfully, I do appreciate all the feedback though.
Not sure why the response was what it was.
Hawks have 4 options for goalie this year. Don’t see it coming from outside the organization either.
Though I will say, I’m not of the opinion the Hawks are one of the favorites for the cup this year. They are only in the second year of dealing with their salary cap woes. They had to give up a bunch of talent and only really got picks and players in return that are years away.
This year they finally got the cap space to add some secondary players. So they have made progress in that regard. I just think it is unrealistic to think you can just go out and get exactly what you need just because you now have the money to spend.
Hawks are competing with teams that have 7, 8 or even 9 forwards making 1.5M or more. Hawks had their core 5 for most of last year and that’s it. They have now added Frolik, Brunette and Monty on D. They are just going to have to do better than that to be a serious contender.
Agreed...
but it sure doesn’t seem like people are thinking along those lines. My “Cup or Bust” reference was in terms of how it seems the majority of the fans are thinking, given the reaction after each loss to trade players who should be a part of the future for quick fixes to compete for a Cup this season.
Keep preaching it brother
If you must scream to get noticed, maybe you should whisper instead
by Z-man24 on Feb 6, 2012 12:38 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
makes sense
it seems most of the article was read in the wrong perspective.
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 6, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
yeah that makes sense and agree
hard to tell with the joking, since all too often i see those things being said in complete seriousness.
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by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Oh oh, someone flipped on the Bartl-man signal over Gotham City!
I agree with your point that Stan probably isn’t making a move. Heck, Stan said it himself, so it’s an easy position to defend. But I disagree that you can assume Bowman has a “trend” and your reasons as to why.
If you’ve yet to recognize a trend in the Stan Bowman era, goaltending is not his top priority … Bowman took over, and Antti Niemi – a previously unknown – ends up being in net for the Blackhawks’ first Stanley Cup since 1961. When Niemi wanted to get paid, he went back on the cheap side with Marty Turco. And when he didn’t pan out, Crawford was the guy. His three-year, $8 million contract is modest at best.To associate Bowman taking over with Niemi “ending up being in net” is pairing two events that aren’t congruent. The Hawks did indeed have a big money goalie that season – and that Team was assembled by Tallon, not Bowman. Hawks were ranked 19th in the league in team Sv%, but Niemi had a respectable .912 Sv%. With slightly below average goaltending, the Hawks were still 5th in the league in GAA (2.43) and had one of the best offenses. Yes, that team could win with average goaltending. Very, very different situation than exists this year.
This year, the Hawks are 26th in team Sv%, without one goaltender significantly outperforming the other, and 25th in GAA.
And Bowman didn’t just sign Turco instead of Niemi because “Niemi wanted to get paid.” Any knowledgeable fan knows the situation (cap restraints, Hjammer’s offer) was much more complicated than that. Turco was all the Hawks could afford without further gutting the team. Then to call Crawford’s contract “modest at best” when it was actually less than what Niemi was supposedly asking, is nothing short of confusing.
I highly doubt Stan is content with the current goaltending situation. And I doubt he gave Crow that contract expecting “mediocre” would be good enough. Bowman not making a move likely has MUCH more to do with economics and the fact they gave Crawford a 3 yr contract than “a trend” or Stan being content. No GM is going to come out and say “Hey, we’re still operating in the red and paying to bury two contracts. But we’re still filling the seats and will make the playoffs with what we’ve got.” The Hawks are “hoping” Crawford will come out of his funk. They’ve got 8 million reason to do so. It’s the reality of the business aspect of professional sports.
Couple that with the fact that there is only one goaltender who might be on the market who is worth having (Nabbie) and that’s why Stan is publicly standing behind his goaltender. I wouldn’t expect a GM to say anything less.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, there's some "glossing over" that I disagree with
In fact, all of us can point to bad goals from him and Emery and use them as ammo or a deal. I can bet, though, many of those who are reading this and cringing aren’t thinking about the tough saves they made as well. It would be too hard to defend their point if they did.
Those complaining the Blackhawks are going to have to win high-scoring contests shouldn’t be complaining against something that’s normal.
But my biggest disagreement is with the article on BU he linked to, to support his argument. That team was top 10 in a lot of categories.
That team was 4th in PK%. This team is 27th.
That team was 1st at the time in GAA. This team is 24th.
The situation is COMPLETELY different.
The thing is, meatheads, the Blackhawks statistically compare to recent Stanley Cup champions — even in goaltending. The reason idiot fans and stupid "experts" talk about the goaltending "situation" is because there isn’t much else to complain about with this Blackhawks team.
He uses regular season goalie stats to support what happened in the postseason those years. Yes, you can only use regular season stats for the current season, but the postseason data is there for prior years. And the data is flawed further because it uses team Sv% instead of the Sv%s of the starting goalies (and the Hawks don’t have a standout goalie). When you go with individual performance – and couple it with GAA which also takes into account the team’s defense, then the stats of past Stanley Cup champions look quite different.
Only two Stanley Cup champions in the past 10 years had a goalie with a Sv% below .920. And the average GAA of those winners was between 2nd and 3rd.
So when you compare those past champions with where the Hawks are right now, I’m not sure how anyone feels obliged to call those who disagrees a meathead, meatball, or bandwagoner? It would seem they’re not the ones ignoring facts.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Good mRoning Everyone :D
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D:
Fixed. shame
stay still. shut up. pay attention. adopt as signature moves.
bitches couldn't possibly know about my modal epistemology
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I'm actually surprised I noticed it.
I’m a pretty terrible proof-reader. It’s like my brain says “Eh, close enough” and I don’t notice there was anything wrong.
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I like our guys, especially these guys.
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is mRoning related to Cliff Roning?
Fighting stupidity since 1958 (its a much bigger project than originally envisioned).
Confusion will be my epitaph.
It needs more cowbell.
Just read
that Anthony stewart might go on waivers
This is over. You can go ahead and order the autopsy now.
from the hurricanes?
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by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
he was doing pretty good there I thought?
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Nothing to worry about
Crawford thinks he’s doing everything right…
The Blackhawks goaltender feels fine physically, his technique has been sound and his confidence hasn’t wavered.
And a big “DUH” to this:
“A lot of people just look at (statistics) and determine the kind of player or goaltender you are just by your numbers. I think I’m way better than what those numbers say. I just have to go out and prove it. If I’m consistent, those numbers will turn around.”Everything is A-OK, stats be damned!
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
well i'm glad he feels fine physically and that his confidence hasn't wavered
but his technique has not seemed sound to me. I’m not, nor have I ever been a goalie, but to me he seems too aggressive which ends up with him out of position (sometimes ridiculously out of position) and out to far, which results in him not being able to make adjustments when things get crazy and close. Also, rebound control.
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by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
I'll give him physically fine
but he’s either a liar or in denial if he expects us to believe his confidence hasn’t wavered and technique is sound.
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
well him saying his confidence is fine could be him saying enough so even he starts to believe it and performs like it.
the technique not so much
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by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like NASA...
Earth to Crow: Time to batten down the hatches and prepare for the playoff run for that shiny thing.
Crow to Earth: That’s a roger earth, everything is A-OK your signal is 5 X 5!
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Feb 6, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Satellite of love
Lou Reed!
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
by thepuckstopshere31 on Feb 6, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
This is Corey Crow to Dear Stanbow
I’m stepping on the ice
And I’m skating in a most peculiar way
And the forwards look very fast today
For here
Am I caught outside the blue paint
and far from either post
Oh, look – Gagne is through
and there’s nothing I can do..
I wanted the Packers to win the Super Bowl, Megan!
by hairhelmet on Feb 6, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This
I’ve never been a goalie either but have sure spent a lot of hours observing them up close for a lot of years, and “sound technique” is definitely not what comes to mind when watching Crawford this season. Sheesh.
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Or not, hah!
The indenting fooled me. So that’s a reverse Waylon?
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 6, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
i think we called it an inverse waylon. wil have to check the sch guide!
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
The first step to solving a problem
is admitting there is a problem. Corey – can you hear me?
i don't want
to get into a convo about corey’s technique, but i figured this article might get taken a bit out of context. to me, the sentence before the one that is bold is what really matters. at this point, there is not going to be any major changes to crows technique, it is all going to be fine tuning on specific situations. case in point, i was at practice yesterday, and waite was working with crow on wraparounds and not positioning or depth. emery was in net for battle drills (which leads me to believe crow will be in net against the avs, and q will prolly start alternating until we get a win and start stringing a few together).
what it all will boil down to is crow going out there and getting the job done. and most of that is going to be done in his head, imo. no matter what he says about his confidence, in the game, when things are looking ugly, he’s gonna have to rise to the occasion. how many times has he done that this season? at this point in the season, he’s just going to have to get us in the win column no matter the cost, otherwise, i can actually see emery being the guy in net for the stretch run, cause corey just isn’t making those clutch saves to give us a chance to get a w.
True
I just have to go out and prove it.
How many more losses do we give him before we conclude he can not prove it? It’s not as though this is his first go around at trying to prove he’s the guy…
Thank you, sir! May I have another?
It's kind of like everyone saying
“This next game will really show what kind of team this is” I think anyone that has watched them for more than a handful of games knows what kind of team this is.
A big unknown!
No worries, this was the plan all along!
SCH resident medicinal resource
to bad their series against carolina is over
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
it'd be a great story if they did.
and then they trounced the bruins first round or something.
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by justforkicks on Feb 6, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand Lambert
Or why I just read his newest article. But does this guy just troll or is he serious?
That was pure sarcasm on that one.
I’ve figured out that he is just trying to get under peoples skin and get a reaction. I just started following him on twitter and same shit there. He is pretty funny though
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
He’s just trolling, all of the time. I think he’s hilarious, though I fully accept and understand that if we didn’t share so many political/social/whatever views I’d find him a lot more annoying.
stay still. shut up. pay attention. adopt as signature moves.
bitches couldn't possibly know about my modal epistemology
Twitter
The man despises the Detroit Red Wings and their fans.
Good enough for me. He is a master troller as well.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
Shaw replacing Stalberg on the top line today
Quenneville is testing my patience with this undersized, underskilled, David Eckstein of hockey. You don’t bat David Eckstein 3rd and you don’t put Andrew Shaw on the top line or the 1st powerplay unit.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 6, 2012 12:52 PM CST reply actions
Very confused by this.
Stalberg’s fore-checking and back-checking has been pretty damn good I think, so why put shaw on that line?
To me shaw is not much more than a physical presence with a lot of heart and a willingness to go to the net.
congree
stalberg/toews/kane was quite threatening – why break them up?
Or maybe Q
wants the more-experienced Stals upgrading a lesser line.
I suppose this is probably it
…though can’t say I really agree with it.
by Paul the Fossil on Feb 6, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
although
this:
a willingness to go to the netcan be sorely lacking at times.
Was confused myself with Shaw up top
However Emery getting another shot tomorrow.
I like my Sausage, mmmmm Sausage! What did you think I was talking about.
"Watching a shootout is like admitting you watch Survivor or search the internet for porn."
Also in approval of Razor getting the nod tomorrow
He played well in Calgary. Not going to fault him for getting schooled by Jarome Iginla.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 6, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Something had to be done to spread out the scoring, but Shaw on the 1st line is highly questionable.
Shaw on the 1st PP is downright stupid.
I do stuff for CheerTheAnthem
I'm still waiting to see a line of
Scott-Montador-Emery with Toews and Kruger on defense and Hossa in goal…
Can we put anything past Q? :-p
well i understand if that's the 2nd line, i just don't get the 1st and 3rd
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
only way i can twist it is
q wnats to bring a now defensively responsible stals to the 3rd line where he can also kickstart its scoring
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 6, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
IMO it makes complete sense
Q’s been trying to stoke the offensive output of the 3rd line for months now. That’s why he’s put less than stellar defensive players on that line like Brunette, Shaw and Hayes. It’s the two-way game of the 3rd line that has made it so dangerous in years past.
Stalberg had a couple of games there too and did so show chemistry with Bickell and Bolland. They had quite a few scoring chances, just couldn’t dent twine. Stals is no worse defensively than any of those other guys and his scoring threat should keep the opposition honest.
I’ve commented on how I’d like to see Stals on the 3rd line, so I’m obviously on board to see how it pans out.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
May I also say I don't quite get this blog wanting Q to use the media.
That is as dumb a tactic as there is in my opinion, and the coaches that use that tactic show why it is so dumb.
was thatin the letter to Q?
or are you talking about commenters?
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 6, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
this blog doesn't want Q to use the media.
ONE commenter wants Q to use the media.
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
two actually.
or at least, two came out and said they did.
ahh opinions. aren’t they fun?
SCH Narc - check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
Giving up on even-handedness & politeness. Going for open contempt & disdain.
either way, not this blog. oh well
"Orange Mocha Frappuccino!"
by justforkicks on Feb 7, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Where's CNS? I need him to back me up on this.
If we’re breaking up the top line, which I don’t want to but now we’re playing the hypothetical game, why are we putting Shaw up top? OK, already posed that question. Here’s a new one…
Shaw is probably put up top because he’s “physical” or a “space creator.” I may not agree with those things, at all, but if you want that type of player up there then let it be Bryan Bickell. He’s been terrible most of the campaign, I concede that. Still, if he can’t produce with 88-19 then he’s probably not deserving of NHL playing time. Give him a chance. Maybe it lights the fire under his hockey pants. Otherwise, leave Stals out there where he’s been tremendous and stop putting some scrappy 5th round pick that’s flashed the pan on the top line.
I really don’t hate Shaw. I just hate the way he’s being used.
by JesusMarianHossa on Feb 6, 2012 1:27 PM CST reply actions
if Andrew Shaw is on your top line then your team..
tum-te-tums…
McCormack & Richard Tauber are singing by the bed....
Makes sense to me.
Outside of the core forwards, the top two corsi guys on the team are Stalberg and then Shaw. Hawks want a guy that can go get the puck to play with DDN.
As for the third line, the Hawks have been experimenting with an offensive third line. With Bolland on the third, Q would normally take Bolland’s line off the ice if it wasn’t matched with a top two opponent line. With Bolland playing with Hossa, then Toews and Bolland split the opponents top two lines and BMo is now playing against the other teams third line.
Also, if you are looking to add a player it might be easier to find a third line scoring winger more than a two way guy to play with Bolland.
Shaw's been a hot mess defensively on the 3rd line
but he’s definitely been eager (not Ben) in the offensive zone. IMO, Q had to get Shaw off the 3rd line, but he still wants an player with some offense there (Stals). With a subsequent top line hole needing to be filled, Shaw is really the only option.
Bickell’s still trying to claw his way out of the doghouse, so I don’t see him there. Plus, he’s not a guy who creates space.
SCH, a softer, kinder place to comment on violent sports.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Feb 6, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Looking at the standings
i find it interesting that all of the teams in the central (columbus excluded) have excellent home records, and the only team with winning away record is nashville. Detroit, STL, and the hawks all hover around .500 on the road. Going to make for an interesting sequence of playoff series..
by putmeinthemadhouse on Feb 6, 2012 2:25 PM CST reply actions
as long as the Hawks make it
(peers over ledge, jumps)
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